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HCERES evaluation ofLaboratoires de la vallée d’ rsay
The project of the future laboratory.
Unification of CSNSM, IMNC, IPNO, LAL, LPT
CSNSM
IMNC
IPNO
LAL
LPT
Speaker : Fadi Ibrahim, Achille Stocchi, Samuel Wallon 14-17 january 20191
1. Context
2. The future laboratory from scientific and technical report and
perspective
3. First elements of organisation
* FLUO : Future Laboratory Unified of Orsay
FLUO : Futur Laboratoire Unifié d’Orsay
The project of the future laboratory*
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1. Context
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Chers collègues,
Après les premières étapes et le travail important mené depuis 18 mois par le COPIL du projet de « Refondation des laboratoires de la Vallée d'Orsay »
et les personnels des laboratoires concernés, les Universités Paris-Sud et Paris Diderot et te CNRS ont pris la décision de procéder à la création d'une
Unité mixte de recherche issue de la fusion des 5 UMR: le CSNSM, I'IMNC, L'IPN, le LAL et le LPT.
Ce nouveau laboratoire sera exceptionnel par sa taille, la diversité de ses thématiques, et l'importance de la recherche qu'il rassemble au niveau
national. Il comptera près de 800 personnes dont environ 200 chercheurs et enseignants-chercheurs, 400 ingénieurs et techniciens permanents, et
des équipements et plateformes de recherche exceptionnels. Son mode de fonctionnement devra être collégial et correspondre à celui d'une unité de
recherche adaptée aux différentes activités qui la composent :pour cela il devra être innovant et introduire un niveau de subsidiarité fort, cohérent avec
une stratégie globale du laboratoire.
…
Dear colleagues,
After the first steps and the important work carried out for 18 months by the COPIL project "Refounding the laboratories of the Valley
of Orsay" and the staff of the laboratories concerned, CNRS, the Universities Paris-Sud and Paris Diderot have taken the decision to
proceed with the creation of a joint research unit resulting from the fusion of the 5 UMRs: CSNSM, IMNC, IPN, LAL and LPT.
This new laboratory will be exceptional in its size, the diversity of its themes, and the importance of the research it brings together
at the national level. It will have about 800 people including about 200 researchers and teacher-researchers, 400 permanent engineers and
technicians, and exceptional equipment and research platforms. Its mode of operation will have to be collegial and correspond to that of
a research unit adapted to the different activities which compose it: for that it will have to be innovating and to introduce a strong
level of subsidiarity, coherent with a global strategy of the laboratory
…
24th September 2018
letter from our supervisory authorities («tutelles») CNRS / Paris-Sud / Paris Diderot
closing an 18-months phase of preparatory work
4
…
Cette « refondation des laboratoires de la vallée » est un enjeu important pour le CNRS et les Universités Paris-Sud et Paris-Diderot qui s'engagent à
soutenir la transformation de ces unités en un grand laboratoire ayant une forte influence sur le plan national et international en assurant les
moyens humains et financiers nécessaires. Nous serons attentifs à la construction de ce projet et assurerons un suivi régulier.
…
This "refoundation of the laboratories of the valley" is an important stake for the CNRS and the Universities Paris-Sud and Paris-Diderot
who undertake to support the transformation of these units into a large laboratory having a strong influence on the national level
and by providing the necessary human and financial resources. We will be attentive to the construction of this project and will ensure
regular monitoring.
Project Team
Fadi Ibrahim, Achille Stocchi, Samuel Wallon (leaders)
Damir Becirevic, Noëlle Borget, Sébastien Bousson, Valérie Chambert, François Couchot , Frederico
Garrido, Michel Jouvin, Laure Massacrier, Laurent Menard, Laurent Pinot, Jean Peyré, Cynthia Vallerand
To do that :
The tutelles have nominated three project leaders.
The leaders have formed a Project Team
Target for the new laboratory creation 01/01/2020
The Project Team
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Project motivations in a nutshell
• the ensemble of all the themes of the physics of the two infinities with the
presence of strong historical poles, of emerging poles and of activities at the
interfaces
• the scientific and thematic frontiers among 5 laboratories are diminishing
• a new positioning on certain research themes is necessary because of the
evolution of the disciplines
• the unification of the impressive technical potential of these laboratories will
constitute a world-leading force.
Our five laboratories (CSNSM, IMNC, IPNO, LAL and LPT) are geographically close
together in the Orsay Valley of the Paris-Sud University Campus (future Paris-Saclay).
We are all belonging to CNRS and University, facing challenges of the changing French
panorama for research and university education. Furthermore:
Thematic coherence / unique geographical proximity6
2011 : creation of the “Labex P2IO” (together with other laboratories : IAS(INSU, Psud),
LLR, CPHT (IN2P3, Polytechnique) and IRFU (Saclay)
The local context since 2011
Elaboration of Plan Vallée P2IO (with IAS) for Orsay Valley building renewal and
development
Achievement 20,7M€ obtained in 2014 within the CPER Contrat Pluriannuel Etat
Region 2015-2020) [see in following slides]
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A few words about 18 months prior to decision
PHASE CILO
Phase 1 : WG
AG 24 March 2017
AG 4 July 2017
Synthesis Document PHASE Working
Group
Phase 2 : Workshops
Phase 3 : Synthesis
and Consultation.
AG 3 April 2018
Kick off – 30 March 2017
Kick off –December 2017
Letter to supervisory authorities -14 july 2017
• 31 GT with 60 coordinators
• > 100 meetings
• ~ 350 participants / ~ 800 Men.group
• COPIL meeting with all GT coordinators to
write the synthesis (~ 3months Sept-Nov)
Document of final synthesis
Consultation
AG with supervisory authorities
29 June 2018
The document
you received
24th September 2018
Decision taken
September-December 2016
Exchange of letters
with supervisory authorities
Starting
• 30 people (half of whom are CL elected)
• 8 (2) meetings with (without) COPIL
• Document: CILO Recommendations
• ~ 40 workshops with 80 animators
• 2-3 meetings per workshop
• ~ 230 participants / ~ 800 Men.group
All these phases were initiated and led by the COPIL
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COPIL : composed
essentially by the directions
of the 5 laboratories
CL : Conseil de Laboratoire
CILO : Conseil Inter
Laboratoires d’Orsay
GT : Groupe de Travail
AG : Assemblée Générale
June 2018. Document of synthesis, 31 pages.
Writing coordinated by the COPIL
This document has been used for the consultation and sent to HCERES
65 page document
after PHASE 1: November 2017
From ~1000 pages of different WG documents 9
In June 2018
the 5 laboratories have presented a common request for funds and personnels to CNRS and Psud
(common EAOM Entretiens Annuels Objectifs Moyens). Basis for multiannual programming. Same will be
done in June 2019 (in this case the hired personnel and the funds will be already for the new laboratory)
Strong and federative actions in 2018
In October 2018
The first joint Conseil Scientifique for examining common projects : DAMIC-K and CUPID.
In 2019 we are planning (probably 2) joint Conseil Scientifique to examine the neutrino physics and the
activities regarding Accelerators.
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• First ApPEC-ECFA-NuPECC Joint Seminar
• Will take place in Orsay, hosted by Vallée labs
• Save the date: 14-15-16 October 2019
Also next to come
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Project Group Meetings: 3h every Wednesday and Friday afternoon
Regular interaction with the directors of the 5 laboratories
Regular interaction with the supervisory authorities and the regional delegation
The project will be developed inside several Working Packages (WP)
WP1. Scientific pole will be launched after the HCERES
WP2. Accelerator pole
WP3. Technical Pole
WP4. Platforms Pole will be launched after the HCERES
WP5. Operation pole: Administration, Logistic, Security, Radioprotection, Infrastructure.
WP6. Implementation of the new laboratory and quality of life
WP7. Formation
WP8. Valorisation, Communication Human Resources Policy presents in all WP
launched 12/12/2018 - participation at the
launching meeting of ~100 persons
We have formed a joint Conseil du Laboratoire
First meeting on 29/11/2018
General Meetings in each laboratory
30/11 LAL
03/12 IPNO
06/12 LPT
14/12 IMNC
17/12 CSNSM
20/12 all laboratories together
The Project Team @workWORK of Project Team after the letter of « tutelles »
Newsletter every 15 days. Page WEB : http://www.refondation-labos-orsay.fr/
Possibility (from 10/11/2018) for the leaders to address an
email to all the personnel of the 5 laboratories :
REFONDATION-PERSONNELS-L@in2p3.fr
Creation (10/10/2018) of an email address to contact the
project team
REFONDATION-GROUPE-PROJET-L@IN2P3.FR
Opening (11/12/2018) of a discussion Forum :
refondation-forum-l@in2p3.fr
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2. The future laboratory
Scientific and technical
report and perspective
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where we are at the moment of this evaluation HCERES
Per each themes (and also for technical activities) we will present:
the activities reports for the five laboratories
the perspective / project for the new laboratory
For what concern the perspective / project consider that we are in the construction phase !
For each themes we show, the synergies the already acted changes, some positioning
of the new laboratory, the main axis of the development, the on going reflexions…
(of course…) we cannot yet show more precisely how the personnel will be implied and
positioned in the different activities and projects
CSNSM IMNC IPN LAL LPT
Nuclear Physics X X
Particle Physics X X
Hadronic Physics X X X
Astroparticle/Cosmology X X X X
Nuclear Astrophysics/Anstrochemistry X X
Neutrinos X X X
Dark Matter X X X X
Theoretical Physics X X X X
Health Physics X X X X X
Nuclear Energy/ environnement X X
Solid state Physics X
Accelerator Physics X X
Detector R&D X X X X
Envelope of the discipline : the ensemble of all the themes of “the physics of the two infinities” with the presence
of strong historical/existing poles, of emerging poles and of activities at the interfaces
Furthermore, a large perimeter of the new laboratory will provide space and appropriate actors for a certain number of
transverse themes (e.g. involving theoretical physics, health physics), the growth of which could be otherwise limited by the
perimeters of current laboratories.
AMBITION
This new laboratory aims
at being the driving force
in several major flagship
projects at national and
international level.
This new ensemble should
also encourage and help
to support more local
projects, on faster cycles,
likely to emerge
according to scientific
news and/or technical
innovations.
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Active staffNumber
30/06/2018
Full professors and similar positions 20
Assistant professors and similar positions 46
Full time research directors (Directeurs de recherche) and similar positions 72
Full time research associates (Chargés de recherche) and similar positions 82
Other scientists (“Conservateurs, cadres scientifiques des EPIC, fondations, industries, etc.”) 1
High school teachers 0
Supporting personnel (ITAs, BIATSSs and others, notably of EPICs) 365
Permanent staff 586
Non-permanent professors and associate professors, including emeritus 5
Non-permanent full time scientists, including emeritus, post-docs, PhD students 198
PhD Students 118
Non-permanent supporting personnel 39
Non-permanent staff 242
Total 828
Women/men ratio in the unit 0.38
Women/men ratio among unit scientists 0.34
Women/men ratio among unit PhD students 0.45
Women/men ratio among team leaders, unit head and deputy heads 0.55
A NUMERICAL PHOTO of FLUO
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The scientific themes of FLUO
Nuclear
3524/17
Particles
3035/18
Hadronic
1514/9
Astro/Cosmo
2318/10
Neutrinos
69/5
Energy, Environment
2120/11
Heath
Physics
1616/10
Theoretical
Physics
3935/19
Accelerator
Physics
4017/12
Astro-
nuclear / Astrochemistry
94/1
Dark
Matter
71/0
Legend (ex. Nuclear)
35 permanents
24/17 non permanents / PHD
Solid state
Physics
51/1
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Particle Physics Two major recent facts :
The Higgs boson has been discovered (ATLAS/CMS). NOBEL PRIZE.
No indication of New Physics ("Direct" or "indirect"). Exclusion of the existence of new particles in different
scenarios at about TeV scale (ATLAS/CMS/LHCb/Babar/Belle…)
What’s next : Beyond Standard Model (BSM) !
Indirect searches:(quantum “road”)
Increase the luminosity
Direct searches(relativistic “road”)
increase the center-of-mass
energy of the collision• New particles, symmetries
• Origin of the mass
• The Lagrangian of the BSM in gauge and fermionic sectors
ATLAS
ILC LHCb
Belle II
How the new laboratory is positioned
@ CERN, KEK
See talk by Yasmine Amhis
Particles
3035/18
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Some observations for the new laboratory :
Large effort for HL-LHC phase in detector construction (exploitation up to ~2035)
New positioning for future machine and detectors conception and developments (ILC, HE-LHC, FCC, PERLE/LHeC…)
Important branch depending if ILC will be approved or not in Japan
Possibility of new implications in fixed target/dumping experiment at CERN.
Possibility of implication in tau-charm projects if Chinese or Russian project are approved
New opportunities for the community of theorists/experimentalist to play a major role in defining the strategy
20
18
20
20
20
24
RUN3
20
27
LS3LS2RUN4,5
20
30
20
35
Phase HL-LHC4 ab−1 ultimate value
20
40
ATLAS – Implication in HL-LHC with well structured
and well financed national effort.
LHCb – Phase HL-LHC. Participation to be defined.
BELLE II – Possible Implication in Phase 3 hardware
(DAQ)Phase 2 Phase 3
20
19
20
21
RUN2LH
CK
EK
B
Very well structured community worldwide.
Upgrade of the European Strategy on going (Summer 2020)
Ph 0Construction/
CommissioningDATA TAKING
ILC
ILC – Historical/strong implication. Waiting for decision
HE-LHC
LHeC, ep physics
FCC-hh, FCC-eh, FCC-ee
CLIC
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Hadronic PhysicsResults in recent years :
Proton tomography (3D-distribution of valence and see quarks)
Pushed investigations on Quark Gluon Plasma at LHC (Pb-Pb)
Observations for the new laboratory :
Strong and visible presence at Jlab. Opportunity of a strong impact on EIC (physics, detector and accelerator /ERL)
EIC will enlarge the physics case : nucleon structure in nuclear medium
QGP + Cold nuclear matter program strong/complementary by ALICE (upgrades), LHCb-SMOG (SMOG2), LHCb
Fixed-target programme : AFTER, MDM with bent crystal, potential for SPIN physics at LHC (ALICE, LHCb)
@ Jlab , CERN,
GSI/FAIR, Orsay
See talk by Laure MassacrierHadronic
1514/9
ProRad@PRAE X
HADES X X
Jlab X x
EIC X X
LHCb-HI x X x
ALICE x X X
Fixed-Target@LHC X X X
(AFTER/ALICE-FT/LHCb-FT)
Best estimate for the end of EIC construction : 2030
Three main research themes : Nucleon / hadron / Medium effects / Quark Gluon Plasma
Positioning of the new laboratory structure
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LHCb Upgrade (Phase 1)
ALICE Upgrade
LHCb Upgrade (Phase 2)
SMOG2MDM with bent crystal?
ALICE-FT with solid target?
LHCinjectors
LHCb-SPIN?
emerging properties
reveals the richness of effective interaction
3-body
Many body problemNuclear interaction
GANIL , ALTO, CERN-ISOLDE,
FAIR-GSI, Riken, Jyväskylä,
Argonne, Legnaro, Dubna…
Nuclear Physics See talk by David Verney
1) How is mass generated in QCD and what are the static and dynamical properties of hadrons?2) How does the strong force between nucleons emerge from the underlying quark-gluon structure?3) How does the complexity of nuclear structure arise from the interaction among nucleons?4) What are the limits on nuclear stability?5) How and where in the Universe are the chemical elements produced?6) What are the properties of nuclei and strong-interaction matter as encountered shortly after the Big Bang, in catastrophic
cosmic events, and in compact stellar objects?
Nuclear
3524/17
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a “builders” community --Orsay’s Nuclear Physics hallmark--
detectors developmentsAccelerator & beam
developments
hall 110 instrumentation at ALTO
BEDO, TETRA, POLAREX, LINO, MLL-Trap
GRIT/MUGAST
ALTO ISOL-photofission
GABRIELA@Dubna, S3-REGLIS@SPIRAL2
AGATA, OUPS
FAZIA
S3-LEB RIBs
neutron beams:
LICORNE@ALTO
seize the opportunity of PERLE@Orsay
for electron scattering off RIBs experiments
ALTO platform through ALTO 2.0 is a major platform in the new laboratory, focussed on fundamental nuclear activities and
opened to other disciplines and applications (health / radionuclides, material science, detector tests…).
Important decisions / positioning regarding (delay SPIRAL2-Phase2)
Some observations for the new laboratory :
Project which goes well
beyond the nuclear physics
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Astroparticle and Cosmology
Cosmology of the primordial Universe, CMB and Dark Energy
Astroparticles - Multi-messengers: Cosmic Rays, HE photons
(keV TeV) and GW and « violent universe ».
Few major recent facts/discoveries :
Gravitational Waves have been observed (Virgo/LIGO), both from black holes and neutron starts coalescences. NOBEL PRIZE.
The composition of the primordial universe from Planck results, dominance of dark matter and dark energy.
Better understanding of Ultra High Energy Cosmic Rays (UHECR)
Planck
LiteBIRD
QUBIC
LSST
Tianlai, PAON4
@ Argentina (Auger, Qubic), Chile (Simons Obs., LSST, CTA), Spain (CTA),
Italy/USA/Japan/India (GW detectors), China (Tianlai), France (Nancay), …
Simons Observatory
CTAVirgo/LIGO SVOM
Auger’ eASTROGAM
Still a lot of fundamental questions / possible new searches
A new scientific field : the opening of the gravitational waves astronomy
Transient sky, acceleration mechanisms and understanding violent Universe
Populations studies, impact on cosmology
Scrutinizing the cosmological model by improving knowledge of cosmological parameters
The search for (primordial) gravitational waves of inflation through CMB B modes
Elucidating the Dark Energy
Search for Dark Matter from CMB, photons and weakly interacting sub-eV particles (WISPs)
Fundamental tests of fundamental physics: (modified) Gravity, Lorentz Invariance.
See talk by Nicolas LeroyAstro/
Cosmo
2318/10
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Observations for the new laboratory :
Continuation of the Gravitational Waves
program. Positioning in regard future
experiments : LISA/Einstein Telescope
Upgrade of the Auger detector to improve
determination of UHECR compositions
Important cluster on high energy photons from
keV to TeV : SVOM, eASTROGAM, CTA
Manage the important transition after-Planck
era, towards B modes detection : CMB at
ground (QUBIC, Simons Observatory) and
future space experiment (LiteBIRD)
Preparation to LSST and managing the
beginning of the data taking phase.
Understanding the Large Scale Structures and
the Transient Sky.
21cm Cosmology. Analyses with current
observatories. Possible implication in SKA24
(direct search) Dark Matter
The search of Dark Matter is multiform.
We consider here the direct search for WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles) +
FIMPs, Axion Like Particles, Heavy/dark photons….
DAMIC-1K: low mass dark matter with CCD detectors. From SNOLab to LSM(Modane) Starting activity
EDELWEISS: low mass dark matter with bolometers. LSM (Modane)
XENON nT/DARWIN (>5 GeV/c2) with a dual phase TPC. LNGS(Gran Sasso) Starting activity
HPS (Heavy Photon Search) Search for the heavy photon, possible mediator between Standard Model/Dark Matter sector
Some observations for the new laboratory :
New developments and wider positioning (high and low masses WIMP dark matter) in experiments, with different
detector techniques, which are among the most sensitive in the world. Some synergy with double-beta and low
radioactivity techniques.
Possible synergy of the activities in hidden search (dark photon) with the hadronic physics and with theorists.
@ LNGS, LSM
See talk by Carla Macolino Dark
Matter
71/0
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Neutrinos
SuperNEMO
CUPID
SoLid
XENON (0n2b)
Established activities:
Starting or future activities:
DUNE (interest)
RICOCHET
JUNO
Neutrinoless double beta decay (0n2b)
Neutrino nature
(Dirac or Majorana?)
Neutrino mass scale
Sterile neutrinos
Non-standard neutrino properties
CP violation (phase d)
Mass hierarchy
Precision measurements
in weak interactionsLIQUID-O
Many discoveries in the last 20 years but still the major questions remain opened :
Why lepton mixing is so different from quark mixing?
Is the hierarchy of neutrino masses normal or inverted?
What is the value of the CP violating phase d in UPMNS?
What is the absolute n mass scale? Why are neutrinos so light?
Are neutrinos and antineutrinos equal ? (Majorana/Dirac)
Observations for the new laboratory :
Transition and new positioning for 0n2b
searches. From NEMO/SuperNEMO to
CUPID. Instrumental synergy with direct
dark matter searches
Have a successful starting activities in
JUNO.
Decide how and when to get into DUNE
efficiently.
Two very interesting and promising R&D
: Richochet and LIQUID-0.
How the new laboratory is positioned
@ LNGS, LSM, LSC
(Canfranc), DayBay, Mol
See talk by Andrea Giuliani
Neutrino
69/5
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Violent cosmic phenomena in the Universe,
origin of the elements
nuclear processes at work in various astrophysical sites
evolution of matter since its formation in the stellar envelopes
journey in the interstellar medium
incorporation into the first solids of the protoplanetary disk
Astronuclear / Astrochemistry
Involves Astrophysics, Nuclear Physics, Chemistry, Solid State Physics
MeV domain
Observations and important themes/projects for the new laboratory : Towards future gamma-ray space observatory (All-Sky-ASTROGAM). Applications for the localization and characterization
of radioactive waste with a highly sensitive portable gamma camera (ComptonCAM)
Experimental nuclear astrophysics at different facilities
Search for a light boson via the observation of an anomaly in the 7Li(p,e+e-) reaction
Formation/evolution of organics/ minerals in space
Destruction of interstellar dust grains by heavy cosmic rays
Important role of the local platforms..)
Production and properties of nuclei and different Nucleosynthesis processes (Alto-Tandem, GANIL, …)
Extraterrestrial material analysis (SCALP, JANNuS, Myrtho)
Dust evolution in the interstellar / interplanetary medium (ANDROMEDE, SCALP, Tandem, GANIL, …)
Astro-nuclear /
Astrochemistry
94/1
27
See talk by Vincent Tatischeff
The themes of research and / or high technological level: innovations and technological breakthroughs
Beam physics Very important for participation to international collaborations (studies and
characterization of extreme beams (short pulse, small size, high intensity….)
Supra RF Key technology for most of the future accelerator in the world
Laser/Electron Interaction Strategic knowhow for X/g ray production and polarization measurements
IPNO radioactive ion production Key technology for exotic beams production – Strategic for nuclear physics
Laser / Plasma Acceleration Big change in ambition with the arrival of the LaseriX linked to PHIL
Laser / Laser Open the possibility to local themes regarding QED in strong fields
Vacuum and Surfaces Development with local platforms (PANAMA, ANDROMEDE, SCALP…). Equipment
regrouping project in dedicated workshop (D3, D4)
Design / Constructions / Achievements
ATF2(IN2P3-Particles) finished
ESS(INP-neutrons) on going
Mhyrra(IN2P3-Energy) at TDR stage, on-going
PRAE (Nuclear - Instrumentation – Health) on going
SPIRAL2(IN2P3-Nuclear) finished
ThomX (Multidisciplinary-Health) on going
XFEL (INP-photonics) finished
Accelerator PhysicsSee talk by Sébastien Bousson
Accelerator
Physics
3920/14
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Observations for the new laboratory :
For the future. We have many possibilities of contributing to new international machines
ERL-PERLE New concept to EIC or LHeC Starting activity
LHC / FCC Start to contribute to the machines at CERN again
ILC Extensive experience with XFEL-Coupler and with ATF2 experience / final focussing
DUNE-PIPII Construction of the injector (synergy with developments Mhyrra, ESS ) Starting activity
Mhyrra Challenge on reliability. Contribution to be defined/link with the industrials Starting activity
We have to succeed in the
Construction and the operation of ThomX and PRAE
Construction of PERLE
Managing the first Laser Plasma experiments at PHIL/LaseriX, in synergy with the APOLLON activities
To consolidate and to increase the R&D activities on the more specific Platforms accelerator oriented : Supratech, Power
Coupler Station, PANAMA
To increase the R&D activities in all of the themes of research. Some are still at the very beginning
Guarantee an efficient operation of the complete set of local accelerator facilities of the new laboratory
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Nuclear - Hadronic Phys. - Particles AstroCosmo Math. Phys. Stat. Phys. Health Phys.
violent phenomena Gravity
Interface Physics
Life Science
neutrinos, dark matter
TheorySee talk by Bartjan Van Tent
ALICE
LHCb
ATLAS ILC
EIC
FCCBELLE II
VIRGO
Fixed Target@LHC
HADES
JLab
CTA
ALTO
PRAE
LHCb-HI
PERLE/LHeC
GANILComplex systemsDense matter
XENON
SoLid
JUNO
DUNE
JINR-Dubna
RIKEN
SuperNEMO
Planck
LSST
Edelweiss
CUPID
DAMIC
eASTROGAM
SVOM
BAO-radio
Theory is transverse to FLUO
crossed interests among theorists
common interests with experimentalistsISOLDE
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Theory
3935/19
Nuclear - Hadronic Phys. - Particles AstroCosmo Math. Phys. Stat. Phys. Health Phys.
Gravity
Theory
Effective field theories Chiral Perturbation Theory
Non-relativistic QCD
Heavy quark effective theory
Soft-collinear effective theory
Color-Glass Condensate, shock-wave approach
...
Various simulations :
Heavy
Medium size
Laptop size
Virtual Data
IDRIS
Genci Local clusters
Complex systemsDense matter
Analogue gravity
Theorists use specific tools
Most of them are shared by different groups
in FLUO
Lattice QCD liquids
physics case of future facilities
phenomenology
Exactly solvable models
Nuclear matter → QCD → BSM→ Gravity
N-body problem
Transport theory
geometry
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Interface Physics
Life Science
Model building Higgs-BSM
NMSSM
SUGRA
GUT inspired scenarios
Modified gravity
Tensor theories
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Health PhysicsSee talk by Laurent Menard
Research activities around 3 themes :
ANDROMEDE : nanoparticle beams/mass spectrometer for surface analysis
PIMPA : non-linear multiphoton imaging for cellular and in vivo studies
SCALP/SIDONIE : electromagnetic separator for isotopic separation
THOMX : intense and compact X-ray source
PRAE : very high energy electron (VHEE) beam
and 5 experimental platforms :
Biomedical imaging (earlier diagnosis, personalized treatment)
Radiotherapy (improve the therapeutic index)
Modeling (understand and predict the evolution of complex biological systems)
Observations for the new laboratory :
Develop structuring and strengthening research axis:
Promote targeted radiotherapies: from the development of a dedicated dosimetry to the production of new radionuclides
Propose more ambitious instrumental projects:
Participate to national and international initiatives seeking to push the limits of TOF-PET imaging to the sub-100 ps level
Structure the activities of the platforms around a common biology service
Health
Physics
1616/10
Essential role of radiochemistry lab and of SCALP – JANNuS platforms
Energy & EnvironmentSee talk by Frederico Garrido
Research themes :
Observations for the new laboratory :
Keep the diversity of the activities and increase the coherence of the pole in future projects :
Establishment of a predictive model of the storage concept for nuclear waste in the French geological storage site Cigeo
Robustness in scenario studies
Better understand the elementary mechanisms involved in solids under irradiation (design and synthesis of radiation
tolerant materials, irradiation-induced modification of physical properties), of nuclear (fission & fusion) and renewable
energies applications
Energy & Environ.
2120 / 11
JANNuS, SCALP, GANIL, SOLEIL, radiochemistry lab (100 & 107), computer cluster, GSI, CERN
Multidisciplinary approach of the theme
allows to develop a set of expertise put to
profit in the teaching and research areas
Materials and ion irradiation
Nuclear materials
Radiochemistry
Nuclear data
Innovative nuclear systems
and associated scenarios
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Solid state PhysicsSee talk by Andres Santander
There is an activity on fundamental solid-state physics on three main topics :
• Correlated-electron systems (novel electronic states of matter)
• Low-dimensional materials (interplay disorder – 2D superconductivity)
• Detectors for astrophysics and HEP (including modeling of radiation-matter interaction)
Several results on : Novel 2D electron gases (2DEGs) in transparent oxides, Nano-magnetism, Tunable Superconductivity,
Universal fabrication of 2DEGs in oxides, Exotic classical and quantum phase transitions.
More closely related to detectors
Development of high &low- impedance Transition Edge Sensors (TES) (Cryogenic sub-Kelvin detectors : Edelweiss,
QUBIC, CROSS/CUPID)
Understanding the electrodynamics of disordered superconductors and proximity effect multilayers High efficiency
photon detectors
Modeling of radiation-matter interaction Very low-T bolometers (Edelweiss)
Observations for the new laboratory :
How to succeed the interplay between the importance of keeping a research in fundamental Solid-State Physics, not subject
to development of detectors, and the applications to detectors.
Prospects to play a crucial role in major astroparticle and astrophysics projects.
Solidstate
Physics
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Detector R&D and constructionSee talk by Jean Peyré
Very broad expertise covering almost the entire spectrum of
detection know-how :
detector physics, simulation, chemistry, mechanics, thermal,
cryogenics, optics, electronics in all its forms, data
acquisition for test benches and data analysis.
Visible and strong expertise in R & D detectors in the Orsay Valley
focusing on:
Projects in major sites: CERN (HL-LHC, FCC), ILC, CTA, GANIL
(SPIRAL) , DUNE, GSI, JLAB ...
Local projects ( R & D)
Exploitation / operation of platforms
Valorisation / knowledge diffusion
Observations for the new laboratory :
The rich and varied expertise could be grouped together in a visible and identified set (detector group/service)
Balance between development for projects and R&D (according to the type of detectors, the themes and the time)
Identification of established activities and requiring strengthening for present and future projects in FLUO
A visible and reinforced detector group could also intensify the outreach activities related to instrumental
developments with external partners
On going and future projectsOn going and future R&D
Th
ere
are
≈ 6
0 d
etec
tor
pro
ject
s/ R
&D
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Virtual Data
ION BEAM
FACILITIESXRAYS/ELECTRONS
BEAMS FACILITIESIntense compact X-ray
source based on Compton
effect
interaction solid target – laser IR ⇒ plasma
synchronous IR and XUV light
beams
ultra short pluse (500 ps 40 fs)
CALVA
Cavities for the Lock of
Advanced Virgo
TECHNOLOGICAL DEMONSTRATORCORTO
TEST BENCH FOR DETECTOR CHARACTERIZATION
Captinov
TECHNICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE
FORGENERAL SERVICE
cristalline
dosimetry
(IRSN)
neutron dosimeter
Labelized “in vivo imaging platform”
by FLI (France Life Infrastructure)
non linear optical biphotonique imaging
(spatial, temporal, spectral)to integrate “vide & surfaces”
ACCELERATOR
PHYSICS & TECHNOLOGY
SUPRATECHPOWER COUPLER
STATION
cryogenic infrastructure
cavities and modules preparation
micrometeorite
Preparation/analysisMyrtho
g detectors
development /
characterization
spectroscopy /
scanning
Alto Andromede
SCALP / JANNuS-Orsay
ThomX PHIL LaseriX
Supratech
CALVA
Station RFCAPTINNOV
PANAMACORTO
PRAE
DosimétriePIMPA
Myrtho
The Magnificient
Seventeen
The Platforms in the future laboratory
Virtual Data
. shared hosting place with common infrastructure
See talk by Charles-Olivier Bacri
Nuclear physicsInstrumentationRadiobiology : VHEE therapies
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CALVA
CaptinovVirtual Data
Myrtho
Supratech Supratech
Supratech
~ 140 m
high technical potential needs for our research
essential to complete national installations
tool to maintain expertise and to keep upstream high performances
infrastructures beyond our labs
platform important part of teaching activities
Platforms
research technological numerical/computing
research infrastructurestechnical support centre
in operation, in development, or in project
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Few important observations for the new laboratory :
maintain a good balance between exploitation - R&D - developments for users (+ economical model)
Create a pool of common expertise to improve complementarities
Consistency with developed R&D
platforms are (have to be) a good tool to promote interdisciplinarity through opening toward other scientific communities
Pole of technical skills and expertise remarkable or unique,
essential to the success of the scientific project
informatics ~ 50 agents
mechanical ~ 55 agents
electronic ~ 60 agents
detectors ~ 25 agents
Technical Services are the essential pillars for a “laboratoire constructeur” to design and
build the instruments of the future
See talk by Valérie Chambert
It is important that services are fueled by the new challenges of
basic research, a necessary condition for keeping the specificity
of their work between creativity, originality and technicality
Excellence and skills, globally recognized (also used by other laboratories) often define our contributions to projects
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OBSERVATION the disappearance of certain trades due to the fall of the numbers but also to the changes of the
methods of work.
CHALLENGE: in a context of reduction of staff, find an equilibrium between needs for technical staff to
develop large projects and construct new machines, and needs for technical skills for “smaller” R&D
Together in the new laboratory we can respond to this while preserving the conditions that make the strength and
attractiveness of work in a research laboratory:
the proximity of the technical and research teams
the ability to combine and coexist versatility and specialization.
• (//) example (26/12/2) means 26 of which 12 in the DEPACC and 2 in the "Detector Services"
• For electronics in particular more complicated fine categorization (ex add "System" ...)
• Biology: technical activity totally backed by a research center: rather in the Health Cluster
• In "Others", jobs often related to the Accelerators research theme
• With the arrival of LaseriX 2-3 more people in "Laser". An optical service?
Software Development
(21)
Mechanics
Electronics
Informatics CAO – Cabling (16)Real Time/
Slow Control (9)
Mechanical desing(38/14/5)
Mechanical manufacturing (17/1/7)
Detectors/
Instrumentation (23/1/22) Other specialities
Exploitation (23)
Biology(2)
Biology
Micro-electronics (6)
Front-End electronics (13/0/2)
Acquisition electronics(26/12/2)
Electrotechnical (2/2/0)
Cryogenic (2/1/1)
Vacuum(4/4/0)
Materials (2/0/2)
Laser (2/2/0)
Detectors
Platforms(40)
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The Support Services are indispensable in
strongly and vitally supporting all the scientific and technical activities
administration, including logistics and purchasing ~ 55 agents
Infrastructure ~ 18 agents
communication ~ 8 agents
documentation / IST ~ 2 agents
valorisation ~ 5 agents
radiation protection and health and safety ~ 15 agents
See talk by Bruno Espagnon
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In this evolving context, namely the decreasing of the personnel and the difficulty to have
replacements, it is necessary to re-examine the roles of the different actors and the tools used for
different administrative processes*
It is clear that the presence in the NEW LABORATORY
of a strong and structured
Administrative Service including LOGISTICS and PURCHASING (~ 55 agents)
is essential for leading efficiently all scientific and technical activities.
The challenge for this service will be to find the right balance between central structure and
proximity cells to treat all tasks in their diversity and specificity.
It will be necessary to standardize practices specific to each laboratory
during the transitional phase
* We need to re-examine the roles of the various actors and the tools used for different administrative processes to distinguish between the core business of
the administrative services (the activities essential to the smooth functioning of a UMR) and the peripheral activities (which can be handled by others
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Infrastructures (~ 18 agents)
the 5 laboratories occupy an area of around 50,000 m2
The agents ensure the sustainability of the buildings and the rehabilitation works in connection with the host.
The real added value is at the level of the projects for which the personnel concerned integrate the new
experiments and the equipment, intervene on the experiments in their fields of competence (sometimes unique on
the site of Orsay), and to ensure the maintenance and operation of the technical installations.
ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL SERVICE FOR A “laboratoire constructeur”
This is also essential and will be essential for the successful implementation of the Plan Vallée
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The strength of a laboratory, its cohesion and its success also involves transversal activities that
concern all the scientific and technical poles:
communication (~ 8 agents) . The communication units of the current laboratories are already carrying out
national and international activities (conferences, conferences, etc.). The projected communication group will have the
opportunity to amplify the impact of these actions and the visibility of the new laboratory : external communication, internal
communication, event organization ...).
the role and status of libraries (~ 2 agents) Establishment of a common digital library, providing
simplified access to all documentary resources and laboratory productions +local libraries managed by the documentary cell.
Valorisation (~ 5 agents) Lift the existing brakes to move from a 'pocket' activity to an ambitious valorization.
The future laboratory will have a great potential for innovation and valorization/technology transfer allowing emerging or
strengthening strong partnerships with industries.
radiation protection and health and safety. (~ 15 agents) Key role, given the specificity of our
research activities and all the facilities involved. The ensemble of sources and facilities and therefore, a new positioning with
regard to various regulations in force (public health code, code of defense and the environment, labor Code…) will require a
reinforcement of staff to cope with the regulations in force while maintaining the necessary expertise for this activity.
All these activities are intended to develop within the transverse pole
in the form of specific groups/service directly linked to the future direction.
See talk by Soulemane Kamara
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Teaching at the
University
Teaching at the
University
The strength and the specificity of our Masters (License) at the University are based on
the close links with the associated laboratories and their excellence.
LicenceLicence
MasterMaster
Research Installations/ Platforms Educational platforms
Very good basis since we have already important responsibilities : L1/L2, L3 (Licence
Fondamentale), M1 General Physics, M2 NPAC, Grand Instrument, ICFP, Nuclear
Engeneering…).
Some Platforms are already used for teaching purposes (SCALP, LaseriX, PHIL…). Needs to have
a coherent effort. Need to more clear and coherent effort to open/to build for instance part of
the platforms for exclusive pedagogical purposes.
Technical teachings
Some more technical teaching (TP informatics at different level, L3, M1, M2…) Coherent effort to
increase these activities. Proposal/opening of some specific “filieres” on technical subjects unique
in our future laboratory (professional L3, M1)
Apprentices (“apprentis”) to technical services
The new lab should foster the transfer of knowledge through teaching activitiesThe new lab should foster the transfer of knowledge through teaching activities
See talk by Iolanda Matea
The present experiences are very positive. The welcoming of apprentices should be encouraged.
Training/Teaching is an absolutely
priority element of the new
laboratory, for which a coherent,
concerted and proactive policy is
to be implemented beyond
existing actions.
Attractiveness based upon
education / research
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Doctoral
School
Doctoral
School
Important contributions, teaching and
managing (EDPIF, PHENIICS…).
The future building could really be a
privileged space for specialised courses/
seminars…
Teaching Activities
Internships: the gateway for students to discover research and start to taste itInternships for
students
Internships for
students
ThesisThesis
The best and ultimate way to be formed by research and for research
About ~120 PhD students in the ensemble of the laboratories, only a few of them on more technical
subjects. Increase the number of theses by physicists but also by engineers.
Number of internships at different level (from L1 to M2 and international) increased in the last few years
(about This effort will be more homogenous and the number and the diversity of the internships could
be further increased.
FLUO will be a place for students FLUO will be a place for students
FLUO will be one of the large teaching center of Paris-
Saclay university in the Valley of the Campus
FLUO will be one of the large teaching center of Paris-
Saclay university in the Valley of the Campus
For the next CPER we aim for an important financial support for a
building in the Valley totally dedicated to teaching activities
For the next CPER we aim for an important financial support for a
building in the Valley totally dedicated to teaching activities
International/
national
Schools
International/
national
Schools
Participation and creation of international/national schools
Participation and creation of international/national schools participate to the dissemination of our
disciplines, give an help to some countries to participate and join our disciplines, and participate to our
attractiveness. Some effort is already on going : WISHEPP (Palestine), TESHEP, QCD School, Ecole
P2I at L3 level…
Effort to support, amplify and facilitate (financially and practically)
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outreach in the collaborations
Organizations of large public events
Nuits des Ondes gravitationnelles ,
Fête de la Science, Nuit des Musees…
We contribute/create written documents for
large public :Revue Elémentaire, Passeport des
Deux Infinis… + Films, + Books…
Master ClassWe have a museum ! : Science Aco
MOOC
Creation of games (also on
line !) Quark Poker
We could play a proactive role in creating events at the level of this new laboratory : short films and booklets to explain our
scientific/technical activities, technical realisations, creation of prizes for best outreach, new and dedicated spaces of
expositions, pathway with exhibition of achievements for the visit of the valley…
Crucial also to find the right positionning among several actions at CNRS, Universities level. 46
Outreach Activities
Already quite a lot diversified activities
The new laboratory should amplify the activities for the transmissions of knowledge through outreachThe new laboratory should amplify the activities for the transmissions of knowledge through outreach
Exhibition of objects
outdoors
Large public seminarsPosters
Public reception
and school
teaching
suitcases
3. First elements
of
organisation
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The organisation of the new laboratory should be adapted to the multitude of its activities
The organisation should find a good balance among :
Centralized management with a clear scientific policy. Not a hotel for projects, not a sum of independent
laboratories (components)
Subsidiarity of research poles: the necessary power in decision making and visibility of the different
scientific disciplines
Place of the technical services in a strong pole and in participating in the central decision
Place for the platforms in the laboratory make them driven by the science, operational/reactive and at the
highest level (core R&D capabilities)
Place for the support services directly associated to direction
It is also extremely important to define an organisation flexible enough which can be modified as to take into
account possible future evolutions
ORGANISATION of FUTURE LABORATORY
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DU
DAJ (1 ou 2)
Nuclear
PHE
(Particles/
Hadronic)
Astro/
Cosmo
Energy
andEnvironment
Health
PhysicsTheory
Accelerator
PhysicsEngineering
Po
les
Poles led by the DSA (appointed by the “tutelles” on proposal of the DU)
Technical staff in the poles, if the job is specifically related to the theme
From the disciplines : Nuclear, AstroNuclear, Particles, Hadronics, Astroparticles, Cosmology, Neutrino, Dark Matter, Physical Health,
Energy and Environment, Theory, Solid Physics, Accelerators to 7 poles.
Accelerator Physics is a research pole. Discussion on the presence of technical staff with work not directly related to accelerator researches
Platforms are of different species (technological / scientific). Discussion on their degree of independence. Presence of the technical
dedicated staff. Platforms with technical and scientific guidance but also steered by DSA
Engineer Pole organisation in smaller groups or « classical » services
Administration
Radioprotection
H&S
Valorisation
Communication
Dosimetry
PLATEFORME 1
PLATEFORME 2
…
Formation/
Transmissions of knowledge
Quality
Directoire / Directorate : DU, DAJ, DSA, DTA, DA
DU = Directeur d’unité / Director of the Laboratory
DAJ = Directeur Adjoint / Deputy Director
DSA = Directeur Scientifique Associé/ Scientific Associated Director
DTA = Directeur Technique Associé / Technical Associated Director
DA = Directeur Administratif / Administratif Director
The scheme of the MACRO Organisation
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The work in team on projects/R&D where researchers and technical staff work together is one of the main
strengths that will be clearly and firmy preserved in the new laboratory
LHCb PHE EngineeringThéorieAstro/cosmo Energie &.. Santé R&D accel. Admin.Nucléaire
Belle II PHE EngineeringThéorieAstro/cosmo Energie &.. Santé R&D accel Admin.
TeamFlavour
PHE EngineeringTheoryAstro/cosmo Energie &.. Santé R&D accel Admin.Nucléaire
Meca Info Elec. Det.
Meca Info Elec. Det.
Meca Info Elec. Det.
PRAE PHE EngineeringThéorieAstro/cosmo Energie &.. Health R&D accel. Admin.
Meca Info Elec. Det.
Nucléaire
ALTO2.0 PHE EngineeringThéorieAstro/cosmo Energy &.. Health R&D accel. Admin.
Meca Info Elec. Det.
Nuclear
Teams : Personal in a pole of research
+ engineering pole
To strengthen, create clusters, more
visibility and funding opportunities.
Often could be soft structures.
ProjectsProjects receive budget (IN2P3, INP,
universities, TGIR, own funds ...)
Groups : people working in different
research poles + engineering pole
To reinforce with budget for animation to
push thematic interpoles. Soft structures.
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How to go on in the definition of the organisation through WORKING PACKAGES
ENGINEERING POLE. WP 3
Organization of the division: "classical"
services or in smaller services. This
reflection is also useful for possibly
organizing groups in services
Division representative (s) in the
Executive Board
Steering diagram of the pole
What body of governance within the
cluster?
What kind of decision to make in
this body and what does not belong
to this body
Frequency, diffusion mode infos ...
How to guarantee the technical animation
(pole / service / group)?
Preparation of the presentation of new
projects at the laboratory's CS. Technical
aspects.
Project reviews
Project monitoring and the adequacy of
technical means
RH politics (positions / « primes »)…
…
ACCELERATOR POLE. WP 2
Presence of IT whose job is not related
specifically to accelerators [mechanical
BE, Electronics (non RF) ...]
Some technological platforms driven by
the Accelerators Pole. Role of the
Accelerator Pole in the piloting of other
scientific platforms.
How to guarantee the scientific animation
of accelerator research?
Steering diagram of the pole
What body of governance within the
cluster?
What kind of decision to make in
this body and what does not belong
to this body?
Frequency, diffusion mode infos ...
Preparation of the presentation of new
projects at the laboratory CS
Project monitoring
RH politics (positions / « primes »)…
…
OTHER RESEARCH POLES. WP 1
Structuring scientific themes. From
scientific themes to structural poles
Role of the CS / New projects and their
follow-up / Calls for tenders (ANR, ERC
...) / Theses, CDD.
Degree of autonomy of the components
and with which bodies (Project Assemply
ASPRO, Technical Committee,
monitoring committee ...)
RH Policy
Exemple of WP1, WP2, WP3
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Discussion on WP and general synthesis to find the best way of organising the scientific/technical life in the laboratories with
Conseil Scientifique
Scientific Council
Comité Hygiène Sécurité Condition de Travail
Committee for Health & Safety Working Conditions
Comité du Personnel Local
Local Staff Committee
Comité de Suivi des thèses
Committee for thesis
monitoring
Comité de Revue des Projets
Project Review Committee
Comité Techniques
Technical Committee
Conseil de Laboratoire
Laboratory Council
Suivi des projets
Project monitoring
Beside the
…..
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200
204
100
109
102
108
105
104
205
Orsay Valley of the 5 labs
150 m
Curie
LPGP
LPGP
Admin.
120
440
53
LAL IPNO LPTIMNCCSNSM
IASIAS
Surface ~ 50000m2
Curie, CPO
ScienceACO
Institut de
Math.
Plan Vallée P2IO for Orsay Valley building renewal and development
FLUO : Futur Laboratoire Unifié d’Orsay
200
100
109
108
104
205
102
Virtual DATA
On going / soon startingOperations
Health
Supra Tech
ALTO
SCALPPRAE
MechanicalWorkshop
PHIL/LaseriX
ScienceACO
IGLEX
MechanicalWorkshop
Vacuum/SurfaceWorskshop
150 m
15
0 m
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Since July 2017 it works at full speed:
14 ongoing operations + several sub-
operations
71 orders since July 2017
9 markets since July 2017
8 Moe currently recruited
28% of committed funds
Work on the project for the next CPER. It begins !
Teaching Building 206
Renovation / Movements for the new laboratory....
New urbanism to facilitate the communication between buildings
BUT IT HAS TO BE CONTINUED WITH A CPER 2020-2025
The target financial support is the same as for 2015-2020 ~20M€
200
100
109
108
104
205
102
Virtual DATA
On going / soonstarting Operations
Health
Supra Tech
ALTO
SCALPPRAE
MecanicalWorkshop
PHIL/LaseriX
ScienceACO
IGLEX
MecanicalWorkshop
Vacuum/SurfaceWorskshop
150 m
15
0 m
This will be done by the
CPER 2015-2020
Now extended to 2022
Execution of CPER 2015-2020
underway with 20.7M€
Several operations:
IGLEX Dome, Virtual Data, Health pole
(IMNC Transfer), Theoretical Physics
Pole, Accelerator Beam (PRAE), Vacuum
and Surface Workshop, SupraTech,
Mechanical Workshops, SCALP
Platforms, Renovation laboratories ...
Tecaching Building
55
Oct.
2018
Déc.
2018
Jan.
2019
Sept
2019
Oct.
2019
HCERES
- Reporting and
Perspectives :
Sciences
Accelerators
Engineering
Teaching
Valorisation
- New laboratory
Decision of the
new laboratory
creation
- Creation of Team
Project
- Definition of WPs
- Organisation of
HCERES
Identity of the new
laboratory
- Name & logo
- CPER :
living space,
library,
auditorium…
“Assemblée
Générale”
- Presentation of
functional flowchart
- State of art of WP
Governance of the new
organisation
- Decisional
processes
- Missions
- Nomination of DU
and deputy
Jan.
2020
NEW LAB
- Nomination of
responsible
- Position
assignment
- …
Internal regulations &
welcome booklet
- Vision & “valeurs”
- “Health and safety
- Rules of functioning
- ….
Déc.
2019
« ACCOMPAGNEMENT RH »
Launching Structuration Implementation
Planning
Selection of the
“secrétaire
général(e)”
April
2019
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