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Can a video effect savant help me with the name of this Kanye color channel de-synceffect?Like · Comment · Stop Notifications · Share · Edit · 11 December 2013 at 15:00 · Edited ·

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Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono shift channel?11 December 2013 at 15:07 · Unlike · 6

Benjamin Gaulon This has to do with print, when plates don't line up.Channel shift sounds good.11 December 2013 at 15:16 · Unlike · 2

Benjamin Berg yeah, i don't think it has a proper name, just a channel shiftor channel misalignment. the print equivalent would be a color registrationerror.11 December 2013 at 15:18 · Unlike · 1

Yhancik A. The proper name would be Kanye West's Shift Channel though11 December 2013 at 15:19 · Unlike · 4

Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono http://aescripts.com/separate-rgb/

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Menkman register error : yeezus shifting his color channels east/west11 December 2013 at 15:22 · Edited · Like · 8

Luuk Van Huët Yeezy-vision?11 December 2013 at 15:31 · Unlike · 2

Tom Butterworth For completeness: with video sometimes the shift isachieved by a varying temporal delay across the channels resulting in theeffect only being visible in areas of movement, whereas a simple shift (as inprint) has an even spread over the whole image. This example could be achannel delay if the effect was applied to the whole frame (including the wall inthe background) and both Kanyes were moving towards each other without anycamera motion - or it could be a simple shift applied to the foreground prior tocompositing over the wall. Kanye's clothes probably aren't insured around wallslike that, so I suspect the latter.11 December 2013 at 15:47 · Unlike · 5

Jon Satrom "RGB Chroma Shift" ?11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Unlike · 4

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Menkman Tom - really useful! thank you a lot!!!11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Like · 1

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Menkman hihihi11 December 2013 at 15:50 · Like · 1

Aaron Meyers when its used more subtly (smaller offset), its sometimescalled 'chromatic aberration'11 December 2013 at 16:06 · Unlike · 2

Aaron Meyers on a recent project where we used that effect, we called it'RGB Shift'11 December 2013 at 16:09 · Like

Bernd Hefisch I know it as "RGB split"11 December 2013 at 16:11 · Unlike · 1

Tei Blow It looks to me like its composited and the Kanye layers have twodelays on it with chroma shift on them.11 December 2013 at 16:20 · Like

Peter Kirn Funny, when I'm VJing that's called "Peter Turn Off That DamnedEffect Already You're Overusing It." 11 December 2013 at 16:22 · Unlike · 5

Peter Kirn And I want to see the world through those glasses, Jon Satrom.Can I get contacts made?

Quick survey: Shift RGB in ArenaIrisation in GrandVJ (love the term!)Channel Slide in VDMX

I like RGB Shift or more generically Channel Shift. It's the most accuratedescription.

This could obviously happen in any RGB system - particularly RGB projectors.11 December 2013 at 16:28 · Unlike · 3

Gregory Taylor Walk in the park with jit.gen.11 December 2013 at 16:29 · Unlike · 1

Peter Kirn Oh, note that the above effects are channel alignment and not todo with time. So you can also - and I've seen this - do it with time - I think TeiBlow is right about that.

Gregory Taylor Stop showing off. (and, come on, jit.gen can do a lot harderthings easily!)11 December 2013 at 16:30 · Unlike · 1

Peter Kirn ^^ I was more interested in what they called it than how theyimplemented it. There's also something like an RGB Delay that would describethe time effect...11 December 2013 at 16:31 · Like · 1

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Menkman Peter - wow thanks :: ) showoff I like the effect when its an artifact from a projector, it keeps you busy when thevisuals are very boring: The color wheel "rainbow effect"http://www.flickr.com/photos/r00s/4860849730/

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Tei Blow Oh yes didn't see it move. Peter Kirn how do you have the mojo to runcdmblog, Vj, and dominate Facebook still?11 December 2013 at 16:32 · Unlike · 1

Tei Blow Alternately you could knock some of your LCD panels out ofalignment and get the same effect permanently.11 December 2013 at 16:33 · Unlike · 1

Peter Kirn No I just had too much caffeine this afternoon and so this threadis all I can concentrate on. 11 December 2013 at 16:35 · Unlike · 2

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Michael Todd Vade's rgb shift shader for the win11 December 2013 at 16:43 · Unlike · 1

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Menkman i see the historiography of an effect being written in front ofmy eyes...11 December 2013 at 16:44 · Like · 2

Joost Rekveld http://sensesofcinema.com/2000/feature-articles/city/11 December 2013 at 16:44 · Unlike · 2

Joost Rekveld and with some digging i am sure this goes back to the 1930'sor earlier...11 December 2013 at 16:46 · Like

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Menkman ^ Joost - aah! interesting:"The Colour of Catastrophe" - and it does not even use Deleuze.11 December 2013 at 16:46 · Like · 2

Andrew Benson I've always liked calling it "Chromatic Aberration" becauseit sounds really transgressive in a medieval way. In my brain though, I see itand say, "Channels moving around". At one point, I had a separated RGBversion of my optical-flow feedback thing although I never did much with it, andI've always wondered why there wasn't more exploration of messing aroundwith color offset errors in more complex or subtle ways than just shift to theleft/right.11 December 2013 at 17:35 · Unlike · 3

Domenico Dom Barra north|west11 December 2013 at 17:39 · Like

Leon Trimble rgb delay is a ffgl efect for resolume/vdmx etc.http://resolume.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7741


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Jan Mensen So you're working with effect presets now?11 December 2013 at 20:58 · Unlike · 2

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Menkman No, i am writing - an analysis of one of my favorite videos(no joke). But I think by now I need a new chapter to finish this sentence.11 December 2013 at 21:43 · Edited · Like · 1

Martijn van Boven It can't be an RGB delay since the facial expressionswithin all the RGB channels are equal and the offset between each RGBchannel is equal as well. To my knowledge when you create a RGB delay youcan create a variable distance between each RGB channel since it's a temporalparameter, RGB shift is fixed…. just my two cents Ro

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Menkman what did the old wise lady say again, something like: "a centis also money". In the context of WHB it seems to be closest to an emulation of an analogueartifact, so i feel like all guesses are worth a penny. no wait dollar"pour it up, pour it up; " $$, ° ∫ ° $$$$ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ (somehow kanye got me into a rihanna mood)11 December 2013 at 23:46 · Edited · Like

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Menkman maybe its an emulation of a "schele mixer"

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Martijn van Boven Or the old BARCO projectors (beamers ) which had 3lenses for each RGB channel and also created sometimes these artifacts ifthey were not calibrated correctly or just not being taken care of…11 December 2013 at 22:48 · Edited · Unlike · 1

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Menkman ya, we had a BARCO during Databit.me -Gijs tried to mod it, was quite fun. and boring at the same time. I did not realize back then we were just making chicago west-dirt style vids.

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Luuk Van Huët Or to quote Kanye himself: “When you look back at thesefour and a half years, who’s the icon at the end of the day? Who broke downcolor barriers? What other black guy would a white person use as a fashionreference?”11 December 2013 at 23:52 · Unlike · 2

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Menkman and thats a quote from 2009, when he made the WHBvideo. yeezus.

http://noisey.vice.com/.../kanye-west-jimmy-kimmel-interview11 December 2013 at 23:55 · Edited · Like · 1

Luuk Van Huët I feel kinda schizo about Kanye, I really dig his music, butYeezus H. Krizzle, he comes across as such an overcompensating weirdojerkwad doofus.11 December 2013 at 23:58 · Like

Luuk Van Huët Case in point: http://gawker.com/kanye-west-kicks-fan-out-of-concert-for...

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Bob Weisz pretty sure that's datamoshing12 December 2013 at 00:31 · Unlike · 2

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Mikhail Shraga this thread should be published somewhere12 December 2013 at 01:22 · Like

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Menkman Bob - I was actually already fighting with this questionearlier today: is datamoshing technologically defined (href: the way youdescribe it in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYytVzbPky8), or can the termbe used more freely for any video effect that has been implemented within thea particular discourse of videos?

While the paperrad video "Umbrella Zombie Mistake" (href: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFeesWL5OI) kickstarted thediscussion around 'datamoshing', the first artifacts in the video that appear onthe face of Rihanna are not classic (technologically defined) datamosh artifacts,- they are dropped pixels from an flash video compression (they have nothingto do with macroblocks and i/p/key frames). So: since this video started the discourse on datamoshing, could these artifactsstill be called datamoshing ?(personally I think no - because those artifacts were never referenced in thediscourse around datamoshing and i like to define datamoshingtechnologically)

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What about videos such as https://vimeo.com/9657844 that do have to do withmacroblocks but do not have the right compression, is that still datamoshing?or a glitch JPEG image sequence (also macroblocks) such as used in most ofJon Satroms work?

In short. Is datamoshing restricted to specific compressions (and if yes, whichones), or is it a term that is used for videos existing within a certain discourse /style or genre of work (or even group of people)?

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Case studies for the issues around the terminology (which is why i starteddoubting a clear tech-definition):

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/datamoshing"Datamoshing is the practice of intentionally using compression artifacts indigital video and animated GIFs that is sometimes to referred to as “glitch art.”"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact"The minimization of perceivable artifacts is a key goal in implementing a lossycompression algorithm. However, artifacts are occasionally intentionallyproduced for artistic purposes, a style known as glitch art[1] or datamoshing.[2]"12 December 2013 at 01:46 · Edited · Like

Luuk Van Huët Well, that's too rich for my blood 12 December 2013 at 01:52 · Like

Bob Weisz well I can say what we were using "datamoshing" to describewas that specific, technological definition of delta frames being put in placeswhere they weren't supposed to be. That doesn't result in a specific visualglitch though, it could be the classic part-of-the-frame-is-moving-in-a-way-it-shouldnt-be or that frozen swirl of fingerpainty colors or some other as-yet-undiscovered output, but those are all, to me, datamoshing.

I understand the backlash against the term (we actually loved it because it wasmeaningless and stupid), especially by those artists who'd been doing theeffect for years. Some argued that it should be called what they called it andwhat it technically is: "compression artifacting." But I always thought that termwasn't limiting enough, specifically because it could technically describe yourMacroblocking video or the dropped flash pixels from the Paul B Davisexperiment (which I never even noticed until you just pointed them out!). Again,I understand the need to respect both the history and the technicality of a term.

This is all not to say that people aren't using datamoshing in even more generalways than that, almost as a synonym for all video glitch art. I disagree with thatuse, but if that's what the term comes to mean for most people, then that's whatthe term will mean. I believe in language being defined by the bottom-up morethan the top-down.12 December 2013 at 01:56 · Edited · Unlike · 3

Bob Weisz Hah, that Know Your Meme explanation is as un-thorough asyou'd expect, neglecting the Chairlift video and any other instance ofdatamoshing before the Murata youtube upload, but also in the examples, theNicholas Cage one isn't even datamoshing (supporting one side of your initialquestion) but rather seems to be an exploitation of Photoshop's Content-AwareFill feature, something I'd messed around with a bit with videos to see ifanything cool would happen, but kept striking out. Guess all I needed wassome Nicholas Cage.12 December 2013 at 02:01 · Unlike · 2

Bob Weisz Also further into that wikipedia article, in the "Artistic Use"section, they define it pretty close to how I do: "In video art, one technique isdatamoshing, where two videos are interleaved so intermediate frames areinterpolated from two separate sources." They go on to mention othertechniques, but don't give them a name, further showing that datamoshing isjust a subset of compression artifacting that goes about it in a specific delta-frame-abuse kind of way.12 December 2013 at 02:04 · Unlike · 2

Bob Weisz OH AND it looks like the above line from wikipedia is cited from...your original datamoshing blog post! http://rosa-menkman.blogspot.com/.../from-compression... <-which proves to be the mostbrief-but-thorough cataloging of the effect's popularity! (though sorry, I didn'trealize it wasn't technically a glitch! sorry I've been saying that for so long in somany venues...)


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Menkman Bob - if i remember correctly Paperrad coined the term'datamosh' and they hated it later, but maybe its much better than a drytechnological definition (glitch art as a term has always been scrutinizedbecause its a technological term for something that has later become an artgenre, and not strictly technologically defined but more metaphorically)

Besides that - I think we have to at least consider the popular ('know yourmeme') opinion ... seeing as it has become quite a populist/popular form / effect

But yea, I am happy you are also for a more technologically containeddefinition. Still wonder what compressions should actually be counted as

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'datamoshable' (mpg4, flv, divx, xvid, ....?)

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Menkman ha.. that post should be updated though, there is a coupleof important videos missing i think....i will do that sometime soon.12 December 2013 at 02:30 · Edited · Like

Bob Weisz yeah you're right, that PaperRad/Paul B. Davis video used to becalled "Umbrella Zombie Datamosh Mistake" and that's where we picked it upfrom, even though they didn't mean it as a term for the glitch itself, it was I'msure just a nonsense word thrown in there for laughs, which PaperRad does sowell. Ironically they deleted the word "datamosh" from the title at some point inthe internet hubbub that ensued after the Kanye video dropped. It's funnybecause that video was also our direct inspiration for figuring out how todatamosh. Jordan Fish, who collaborated with me during the R&D stages of thetechnique, even has the oldest comment on that video, thanking PaperRad forall they did for us!12 December 2013 at 02:22 · Unlike · 2

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Menkman And finally I think kanye dropped the official release of thisWHB because of the chairlift video -- though i would not know right now whereto find info on that happening

(I remember it being taken down from vimeo and later uploaded again)

is this the comment you mean?

AND ALSO : where the nabil ppl having an office in the same building as youguys * or is this just a broken memory?

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Bob Weisz Yeah, I guess Kanye had the video in the can but was waitinguntil the label thought it was a good time to drop the single. But they dropped itearlier than that, pretty soon right after Chairlift came out, I guess so that hewouldn't seem like a biter. When he posted the WTH vid on his blog it said"This is not the next single, “Amazing” is the next single. This is the video we’vebeen working on for the last month. We know there is another video out thereusing the same technique so we were forced to drop it now."

and yep, that comment is the one!12 December 2013 at 02:32 · Unlike · 1

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Menkman oh man ... that was what i was looking for that quote isfantastic, thanks for that. is good to reconstruct this little piece of history... BTW: Nick wrote about it too here:http://fnewsmagazine.com/2009/10/titleglitch-amp-arttitle/


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Tom Butterworth I (sloppily prhaps) use datamosh to refer to any abuse oftemporal features of a codec, definitely not limited to I-P-B codecs, butdefinitely excluding non-temporal compressors like JPEG12 December 2013 at 03:28 · Unlike · 4

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Menkman but ... (sorry to stress the issue again) when you dont realize videos such as Jons purrflux are based on jpeg imagesequence, it looks very much like datamosh. https://vimeo.com/8773290

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Bob Weisz Right, that's why I define datamoshing as the process/technique,not necessarily the output... and if the effect in Jon's video can be calleddatamoshing, then how is that term different than "video glitch art"? I know it's a

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bit catchier, and so that might result in it getting popularized as meaning allvideo glitch art, in which case I'll concede because I'm not gunna be a stick inthe mud as a river of people around me are using it to mean something else,but until that happens, I'm gonna argue for my definition best I can!12 December 2013 at 03:48 · Unlike · 3

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Menkman No i agree with you! was more a reply to Tom : )12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 2

Bob Weisz Though actually yeah Tom, I'd broaden my definition a bit fromjust delta-frame hacking to the temporal abuse of any temporally-based videocompression. that seems fair!12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 1

Jon Satrom I agree with Tom && Bob... When I think "moshing," I think of abunch of Muybridge's horses in a pit dancing to the new-reality of non-frame-based-media... Purrflux was frame-by-frame JPG glitching... Interesting convoabout how definitions (i-frames) can be compressed culturally (b-frames)... 12 December 2013 at 04:08 · Like · 2

Jon Satrom #compressionartifacting "But I always thought that term wasn'tlimiting enough" Bob, I think that's a super interesting/coo perspextv...12 December 2013 at 04:13 · Edited · Unlike · 2

Andrew Benson Great thread! I've also always thought of "datamoshing" asa pretty specific technical process term. For a couple years I would get bent outof shape for people calling my video (and the related code and patches I'vepublished) "datamosh" because that wasn't my process or interest, eventhough I can see the visual similarity with my feedback work and the process isvaguely related. I often have students ask me how to datamosh and I have togo back to those youtube tutorials to find out.12 December 2013 at 05:20 · Unlike · 3

Tom Butterworth Bob and Andrew covered it but I agree - I use it as atechnical term so something can look like datamoshing but one can point tovisual features or be told about its production to decide that it isn't. lookaliketechnique == fakamosh?12 December 2013 at 10:26 · Like

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Menkman that 'twitch' trailer is quite entertaining. "Control the Chaos, 7 intense tutorials, 25 disorders,dont get afraid, get crazy!"12 December 2013 at 12:26 · Like · 2

Eavan Aiken Pfff I had clients that gave me the plugin and asked me torecreate the Video Copilot stuff frame for frame... Interesting thread ^^12 December 2013 at 12:31 · Edited · Unlike · 1

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Menkman you made that trailer? :: )12 December 2013 at 12:39 · Edited · Like

Eavan Aiken No, no but re-creations of parts of it.12 December 2013 at 12:31 · Unlike · 1

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Menkman that is quite funny - i bet they wanted the distorted letterparts.12 December 2013 at 12:40 · Like · 1

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Menkman Oh yes!!! Yea, you used it too -- sooo beautiful! what did you use, I am quit sure is the same effect as used in the Kanye video,looks very similar.12 December 2013 at 12:50 · Like

Sophie Gateau As other people said, it's shifting the R, G and B channel intime (and for some shots, even using different shots for each channel). Noplug-in, just decomposing the picture and recompositing it.12 December 2013 at 12:52 · Unlike · 1

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Menkman Thanks Sophie! : )12 December 2013 at 13:05 · Edited · Like · 1

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Bob Weisz Oh yeah and the initial question by the OP! I agree with Sophieand others. It could be an effect applied, but also could very easily just be three(mirrored) layers on top of eachother, each with only one color channel turnedon. This is most likely because the Blue channel in your screencapture doesn'thave an alpha channel (might even just be the original footage with a blue huelayered over it) while the Green and Red dopplegangers have all their otherchannels set to the alpha.

And same for later in the video, during the color bars part, that could be it's owneffect though it would still be pretty darn easy to make one of thoseDelay/Flash/Trail effects (i still don't know what to call THAT effect... anyoneknow?) and tweak each frozen layer to exhibit a different color...

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