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T R A N S C E N D E N T N E W N O V E L

T H E G O L D E N A G E

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M I CHA E L R EA02

INTERVIEW BY THOMAS NICHOLAS AND ANDREW ZEITER

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just so intricate. Do you have a background in woodworking?

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mostly self-taught is just astounding.

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I think its kind of a fantasyland for

our generation. There is stuff in

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honest these movies are in some way responsible for me getting into art.

I mean the Indiana Jones and Star Wars movies.

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the technology of motion pictures in quite some time. I mean you have

sound, color and now 3-D.

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while ago?

ANDREW: Yeah I love The Thing. We rented it a few weeks ago but you

fell asleep right away.

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memory?

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highbrow art is about denying that impulse that we have in us anyway.

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camp and the conceptual camp and they are always at war with each

other and refuse to merge and become something. Whether or not you

want to incorporate aesthetics, they should still be acknowledged for

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ethics involved are staggering.

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it seemed intensely personal. Someone actually laid their hands on

each board and carved each nook and left part of themselves in

each construction.

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process? I noticed that you use some members of the Chicago band

Califone. Did you have a dream group of people you wanted to work

with or did the collection of people that you put together kind of come

about naturally?

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Nick **** Thatʼ’s not the definition of a hero... a hero is a man distinguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength; a champion: someone who fights for a cause. This guy is none of that. He is a selfish prideless, p.o.s. who will be caught and turned into someoneʼ’s lilʼ’ bitch in prison. My idea of a hero is a soldier that holds a new found orphan while he sleeps because thatʼ’s the only thing that keeps him from crying. A policeman who puts his life in danger everyday to uphold the law. A fireman who rushes into a burning building to save some-one heʼ’s never met. A father who kiss-es his baby girlʼ’s boo boo.. These are heroʼ’s and you shame them by claim-ing this joker is one! Heʼ’s a fugitive, a crook, a theif, and doesnʼ’t deserve to be called anything but totally wrong in all his efforts and ventures. Shame on all of you for allowing him to be called a hero!

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Michael ***** im 40 yrs old..had my own illegal adventure when i was 19 (borrowed and crashed a police car)...paid for it with 18 months of my prime...walked the line ever since!!! lol but that was NOTHING compared to this guy..unfortunately he and his mom will prolly come out of this in 5 years better off than they are now.....go figure lol.

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