--RESPECTED GURUJANS

* VARSHA RUTU [RAINY SESSION ] *

*There are some planetary order and combination for rain fall[vrushti,avrushti,maha vrushti]*

*If mars in ahead of sun there will be less rain ,if Venus is ahead therewill good rain, if mercury is ahead there will more heat, if Jupiter isahead there will rain with Hugh wind *

* Combination of Saturn mars, sun mars, and Jupiter mars there will norain but if Jupiter mars stay in jala nadi [nira,jala,amruta] and if moonsaty in that nadi there will be good rain *

*Combination of mercury venues, mercury Jupiter, Jupiter venues cause verygood rain if moon join them or accepts them there will be mahavrushti,venues mars moon in same sing there will be good rain *

* Combination of any two of mercury, venues, Jupiter and remaining onefully accepting them there will be mahavrushti *

* If mercury is behind the venues there will be plenty rain but mars shouldbe behind the sun *

*If mercury is behind the sun and venues is ahead of sun there will be norain ,if mangal is ahead of venues there will be no rain,*

*Venues moon and mars in stars punarvasu,,puspa,ashesha,magha,purva,uttara,u ashadha,abhijeet,sharvan,shabisha,,ghanistha p bhadrapada there is purn jal yog, this will happenwith Jupiter,mars,moon also, if sun mercury venues are in one sign therewill be less rain,but if Jupiter,venues, sun will be there there will bemahavrushti if Saturn venues, and mars stay in watery sign or the starspunarnarvasu,puspa,ashesha,magha,purva,uttara,u ashadha,abhijeet,sharvan,shabisha,,ghanistha p bhadrapada there will be mahavrushti ,but Jupitermust accepts them fully *

*If Saturn and mars stay in watery sign or stars in varsha kal there willgood rain and good crops also, if in sign kanya or mithuna sun and moonare there good rain and crops *

*If 2 or 3 planets stay in stars krutika,vishakha,anuradha ,bharani andSaturn accepts or co join anyone of them there will be very heavy wind,or storm it also happen in stars rohini,swati,jeshta,ashwani but insteadof Saturn sun must accepts them or join with any one *

*If more than one planet stay in star mrugshiri,chitra,mool, revati andmars in same star or accept them there will very hot and same time ifMercury is behind the sun the heat will shoot up more *

*In stars adra,hast,p ashadha,u bhadrapada more than one planet stay thereand Jupiter join or accepts there will very good weather and will help tobegin good rain *

* YOUR STUDENT *

* RG *

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AJ Ji,

Just thought of starting fresh thread, for more clarity on the subject matter.

Just like the erratic internet connectivity, my brain has also started becoming slower ....it needs quite an effort to think and write...

It was really difficult to select a birth chart from my memory,so that I could give my sharing about the Antara of Mars.

Anyway I have picked up one yesterday night, and have just finished typing.

Male2nd February,196221:00Azamgarh83E17, 26N05

Lagna Virgo at 5:00'10.49". Moon in 4th house. Rahu in 11th house. Remaining 07 planets in 5th house.

Sun-Moon-Mars-Jup-Ven-Sat have more capacity of Kashta Phal. Mercury is only exception with more Ishta Phala

History:-

Mother died of serious illness (perhaps Cancer) when he was 6 or 7 years old.Father having senior position in medical services.Got Re-married.

Boy was brought up by very caring and educated maternal grand parents.

His father was blessed with a daughter from second marriage.She is Ph.D in earth sciences. Brother- sister have lots of love and meet in India or USA, whenever they travel.

He has been very outstanding in studies. finished the CA and Law degrees. Got married in 1992. blessed with one and only daughter in 1994.

His MD of Mars had commenced on 12-10-1991. Upon commencement of Mars-Saturn on 28 February,1994, he got employed in a newly emerging Group of Companies, as CA.Got 2 promotions by the time Mars MD finished.

In the Mars-Saturn Dasha Pravesha chart (28-02-1994),except Venus and Saturn, other planets have strength of more Ishta Phala. Mars has Ishta Phala of 18.54 and Kashta Phala of 6.71

In the chart, Moon was in his lagna(Vir),Jupiter in 2nd house, Rahu in 3rd house, Sat/Ve/Mer/Mar/Sun in 6th house and Ketu in 9th house.

We met him in 1996, as after my transfer to a new station, we had become his neighbor.

Relationship became more and more closer in next 9-10 years. He will treat me more than his elder brother.

He also took my Jyotish help related to some issues concerning his relatives.

His wife was bit harsh and straightforward. She would share family matters with my wife.

She learnt a lot from my wife. about keeping tranqility in the family, and instilled lots of positive traits in her habits. Taught her not to open her mouth. Why so, because her husband's working hours were not fixed , and he needed lot of peace of mind. at home, to give his best in the field of profession. Rahu is his DK and Mars is GK.

He went on creating new properties, within the Law. However, he will show the property first to , and will take advice as per Vastu Shastra.

He sent his daughter to best of school/colleges, For higher studies she was sent to UK.

He established a modern learning school for his daughter,in 2010,with the aim of making it a Institute of repute, step by step.

In the meantime he became the Senior Company Secretary, and still carrying on in same Company.His father and mother visit him atevery family function.

He came to meet us , with his wife and daughter, 3 years back. He still remains down to earth and a simple person. His daughter remains in constant touch with my younger daughter; and takes advice onimportant issues.

When my wife had undergone 2 life threatening surgeries, in 2011 and 2012, he had send me Rs.10 Lac for her best possible treatment in Chandigarh. Never wants his money back!

I hope that his birth chart reflects all his qualities!

With my regards

Raj Bhardwaj1949

Bharadwaj ji,

You are 100% correct. These strengths needs to be considered while analysing the effects of the planets.

They could be usefull in a variety of instances.

However, do you think the IShta and Kashta Phala are effective in the case of dasas ?

suppose say the anthara of mars is going on. Will the effects be good if Ishta phala is more than the kashta phala and vice versa? Have you noticed the effects ? What is your opinion on this ?

regardsAJ

Bharadwaj ji,

When I read your post second time, it simply got more interesting. I noticed that you had referrenced the Ishta / Kashta Phala in a peculiar manner.

In the natal chart, Mars has less Ishta phala.

Mars is exalted in the rashi in the 5th house from lagna and 2nd house from Chnadra lagna. It is also the 3rd and 8th lord.

So in one way, inspite of being the lord of dusthana and an enemy of the lagna lord & with less ishta phala, he gave better results.

In this respect, it is quite natural for any one to point out that Mars is exalted in a trikona sign and is with lagna lord and also have Varga bala (Gopuramsa as per dasa varga - vaisheshikamsa.

However you pointed out that on the day of commencement of dasa, it had more Ishta Phala, than Kashta phala. That is really interesting.

Normally we look at the position of Moon on the day of commencement of dasa. Instead you have brought in a special factor, that I have to admit, is new to me. Ie: Ishta & Kashta phala of the dasa lord / anthara lord etc on the day the dasa starts.

We need to check more charts to see if there is a definitive pattern. If it is there, it shall help us understand the effects of dasa in a better way.

Thank you so much for bringing this and I am sure many of the astrologers shall benefit from this.

regardsAJBharadwaj ji,

One aspect of Ishta-Kashta phala is that it is given only for the planets other than Rahu & Ketu.

However we have Rahu & Ketu dasa in Vimshottari.

So is it really meant to be used in the summation of effects of Vimshottari dasa ?

Or is it used where Rahu & Ketu are not used at all?

Say in case of transit ? if a planet has more Ishta phala, planets transiting through the signs owned by that planet may tend to give good results

Just a thought ?

regardsAJ

AJ Ji,

Nice riddle! Here are my 2 cents:-

When we press strength tab, we find that there are 8 different charts forshowing the strength of planets.

1. The chart of Vimsopak Bala (Dasa)- Rahu and Ketu get a place here.

2. The chart of Vaiseshikansa(Dasa) - Rahu and Ketu get a place here.

3. In 6 other charts namely;Shadbala(%) strength, Ishta Phala, Panchvargiya,

Dwadasa Bala, Harsha Bala and the Ashtak Varga RAHU/KETU do not find a place.

4. Further, when we check the other strength tab, Vaiseshikansa Bala strength, and right click there,

The AGE, MOOD, ALERTNESS of planets in the D-1 chart are given.

Let us consider Jatakas, who are undergoing MD of Saturn. This MD is most difficult to predict precisely. The main reason being the AWASTHA etc, because Saturn is the planet which remains in Vridha,Mrita Awasthas for long periods, during it's transit in any rashi.

Presently Saturn entered the Sc rashi on 02 November,2014.It was in Mrita Awastha, Sushupta, Deen and Khala.

In mid January,2015 it became Vridha, in coming June, it will be Mrita, in mid October, will become Vidha, and in mid December,2015, it will become Yuva.But will still remain Sushupta, Deen and Khala.

There can be Antar or Pratyantar of any other planet in the Saturn MD. We would need to look at the strength/weakness etc of those planets also.

Considering all this, can we dare to say that a Jataka will get full/half/partial or Nil benefits from the MD lord. It is very very challenging situation for anyone, including us the Astrologers.

Self example may or may not be of help. But I would share that I am under Saturn-Rahu; and Saturn is transiting in my Lagna.

Can I expect any increase in strength of my prakrama Bhava(Makar) and Sukha Bhava(Aq), simply because Saturn is placed in 11th from my 3rd house, and 10th house from my 4th house? Can Rahu also be of any help, transiting the 11th house?

Hope it is of some help!

With my regards

Raj Bhardwaj1949Bharadwaj ji,

Sorry I am not able to follow the messages due to my preocupations.

I am just reposting some of the points we had discussed in the earlier mail.

We where discusing about the IShta & Kashta phala.

The inputs you had provided where great and we need to verify it in more charts in the coming days.[ to check the ishta & kashta phala of dasa / anthardasa / prathyantar dasa lords on the day (and time) the dasa period starts- what we call as dasa-pravesha]

Since ishta & kashta phala is not computed for rahu and ketu, how can we use it in thier dasa. My doubt was whether ishta & kashta was meant to be used for knowing the effects of vimshottari dasa at all. If it was we should have able to compute ishta / kashta for rahu / ketu.

Ok that was till last messages.

In this message you have listed those factors we can use to analize the effects of Rahu & Ketu and those factors that we cannot use.

You are absolutely right here.

We need to look at the different kinds of strengths as provided for each of these planets and use them appropriately.

At time it can be confusing too.

In the chart, you had provided, you had written//His MD of Mars had commenced on 12-10-1991. Upon commencement of Mars-Saturn on 28 February,1994, he got employed in a newly emerging Group of Companies, as CA.Got 2 promotions by the time Mars MD finished.

In the Mars-Saturn Dasha Pravesha chart (28-02-1994),except Venus and Saturn, other planets have strength of more Ishta Phala. Mars has Ishta Phala of 18.54 and Kashta Phala of 6.71//

Mahadasa of Mars gave him good career, promotions etc.

How? When Mars is in "vridha" avastha ?

it is said "In bala avastha happiness is the result, Kumari results in good habits, in yivati, he becomes a king, in Vridha, there shall be fear of illness and debts, marana brings loses and unneccessary spendings".

As per another definition,

a planet in its exaltation house is called "Yuvaraja" and in enemies house, it is called "Vridha".

Mars exaltes in the house of Saturn, who is an enemy. So it has both the roles to play as a "Vridha" and as a "Yuvaraja".

As yuvaraja, Mars dasa can given him good career , promotions etc, while it should also bring debts too.

We already know that he got job, promotions etc. Perhaps he got into debts too. Perhaps you may be able to clarify this.

Mars is the 8th lord. Saturn is the 6th lord. So in one way, we are looking at what is commonly considered as "Vipareetha raja yoga" in the 5th house.

Mars-Saturn gave him job

They form an exalted relationship in the 5th house - trikona.

These planets though are in vridhaavastha, they have good dasa vargaja bala (gopura & uttama respectively).

It is my thought that position of these planets, the yoga formed by them has more strength to superscede the negativity of vridha avastha. Even Saturn's debilation in navamsa seems not to matter in getting that job. OR perhaps it did and we do not know what it is

Even mar's duritha bhavadhipathy didn't seem to matter in his case?

If you do not mind me quoting, Shenoy ji, he had once told that in similar cases, where the planets are showing adverse effects, but are actually giving good results, the native may have done proper remedies with or without him realising it. An astrologer who check the chart and trying to verify the events may not know about this and could get confused. So he asked to check whether the native had done so in such cases and in a couple of instances it was proved correct.

What are you thoughts on the above?

[pls excuse me for bothering you. It is really good to have a meaningful discussion].

regardsAJBharadwaj ji,

This is slightly off the line.

About the chart, that we where discussing, I found that there are few yogas described in various texts.

I am presenting them for your benefit. [You may already knew about them].------------Dharma Karmadhipathy Yoga is presentThis yoga is formed when 9th and 10th lord are together in the Kendra or Trikonaor 9th lord is occupying the 10th and 10th lord in the 9thThis is one of the most auspicious raja yoga-------------Chaturvedadhara Yoga is presentThis yoga is formed when Sun, Mars, Mercury and Jupiter are together in one signOne born in a brahmin family shall be well versed in all the four vedasOtherwise he shall become the the head of a region-------------Putra Karmadhipathy yoga is presentThis yoga is formed when the lord or 5th and 10th house are togetherThe person born with this yoga shall enjoy raja yoga-------------Shakada Yoga is presentThis yoga is formed when Moon is the 6th / 8th or 12th of JupiterThis yoga gets cancelled if Moon or Jupiter is the kendra of Lagnasimilarly moon in the 12th jupiter is Sunabha yoga with JupiterHence such a position can be complex with good and bad effects-------------Shanka Yoga is presentShanka yoga is formed when 9th and 10th lords are togetherand any other lords of kendra or trikona joins themThe person be a king having many wives and enjoing many ways and wealthy-------------Shreenatha Yoga is presentShreenatha Yoga is formed when Venus, 9th lord and mercury are plced in swakshetra, uchakshtraor bandhu rashi. pls note that only the 2 fold Bandhu- Shatru concept is considered-------------Neechabhangha Raja Yoga is presentThe sign lord of the debilated planets or that planets exaltation sign lord .in the kendra of LagnaPhaladeepika, ch-7 sl-27-------------Dhana yoga in suns dasaFor Kanya lagna Sun with venus or moonHe shall have access to wealth in the dasa of SunIf Sun is associated with venus,he shall loose wealth in Venus dasaIf Sun is associated with Moon,moon period shall give mixed resultsBhavartha Ratnakara,-------------Jyotisha and Visha VaidyaSun or mercury and Rahu in the 5thHe shall be an expert in Astrologyand also a Visha Vaidhya - Curing snake bites etcBhavartha Ratnakara, Vidya sl-2-------------JyotishaSun and Mercury in the 2ndBhavartha Ratnakara, Vidya sl-3 and sl-5-------------VedanthaSun, Mercury and Saturn in the 5thBhavartha Ratnakara, Vidya-------------Highly learned2nd lord and jupiter in kendra or trikonaHe shall be Highly learned and honored publiclyBhavartha Ratnakara, Vidya-------------Miser2nd and 3rd lord with saturnBhavartha Ratnakara, Sahodara Bhava

regardsAJDear AJ Ji, Thanks for being more elaborative! But you would appreciate that I started the present thread from one on-going one, which was getting mixed up. Therefore, we both had started discussing the subject matter. As you had asked for some examples, I had shared the present one.

I kept my writing confined to the subject matter, and related issues of Ishta and Kashta Phala. I shared just a general reading of his life events.

Now, if we start discussing Yogas or other factors present in the birth chart, the thread will become more lengthy, and off the mark. I hope you would agree on this! In my view the subject matter is of prime importance; and chart becomes just secondary. Thanks for taking time off from your busy schedule.

In due course of time, I may share few other aspects in this thread, but will try to keep the thread short.

With my regards

Raj Bhardwaj1949

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Dear Raj bhardwaj Jimany thanks for the typical spl birth data even tho i hav a half dzn known people has this kind of sapta graha yoga or ashta graha yogawhen world faces clamities etc this kid of yoga 's formed ,,,, the ashta graha yoga was in makara rasi which is Lagna rasi of hindu stana ( according to mihira ) and 7th House of Jawahar lal nehrue and india faced humiliating incidents like chinese agression during this period

this charts has all good yoga's ( according to parasari and even according to jaimini --i wonder were has jaimini scholars gone ) and yoga bhanga toobut longitudal diffrnce and good karma make or break a chart5th House is house of purva punya and house punya of ancestors ( 9th to 9th house --blessing the ancestors get from their good deeds ,gurus and brahmins etc )so it will also help the native's in lifethanks and rgrds sunil nair

What I had shared was more of a "Outlook" of shades present in such birth chart.

For going further, we will need to take into consideration, the planetery aspects present in the birth chart. What MD was operating at time of birth, upto Deh Dasha.

Next will be logical to have a look at Drekkana, Navamsha, Shashthansha,Asthmansha, so on and so forth. Full events right from childhood, Matri,Pitri Sukha or lack of it, elementary education, relationship with siblings, intelligence, good/bad habits, it's application in higher learning,profession, Illness ,accidents, level of inbuilt courage etc, Then further life events like marriage, married life, spouse,siblings etc etc will have to be looked into deeply. BPHS can give us a broader plate form to start our learning of Vedic Astrology. Ultimately it will depend upon our depth of learning, which will guide us in right direction, while analyzing any birth chart.

Having got blessings from heaven, the learning would become more polished,and one can diversify in different fields of human life in Astrology.

A word of caution:- We should never have feeling of Ahmamkara in this pious filed; and should keep ourselves open to learning from other's experience.

It is really a very long and tedious journey; and one life may not be enough for complete learning.

Hope it helps new comers!

Raj Bhardwaj1949