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TvalTmaqcobas sazRvari ara aqvs,

imis gamo, rom usircxvilo da uka-

nono gzebiT ebrZvian biZina ivaniS-

vils da ar aZleven saSualebas Sek-

ribos `qarTuli ocnebis~ sazoga-

doeba, imis gamo, rom mas

uari uTxres sportis

sasaxleSi, stadionze,

filarmoniaSi Sekreba-

ze im mizeziT, TiTqos

iq am dReebSi Ronis-

Ziebebi yofila da-

gegmili, movuwo-

deb yvelas, visac

qveynis gadarCena

da nacionaluri

Savi Wirisgan gan-

Tavisufleba gvin-

da, boikoti gamovucxadoT da ar mi-

videT im RonisZiebebze, romlebic

am jojoxeTis mociqulebs hqoniaT

dagegmili, riTac kidev erTxel ga-

movucxadoT solidaroba biZina

ivaniSvils da yvela Rirseuli qar-

TvelisaTvis sanukvar `qarTul oc-

nebas~!

rezo amaSukeli

yvelas, yvelas, yvelas!

`didgvarovan~ `nacionals~ mis aRmatebulebas boco(nugzar) wiklaurs`mdabio~ biZina

ivaniSvili TvalSi epataraveba?

ivaniSvilisTvismoqalaqeobis CamorTmeva sveticxovlis amSeneblis,

arsakiZisTvis, marjvenismoWris tolfasia!

saerTo gazeTi #46 (175), 23-25.XI, 2011 w.2

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redaqtoris sveti

Tvenaxevari gadis, rac biZina ivaniSvili

qarTul politikaSi Semovida, rasac xeli-

suflebam misTvis Cveuli Zalismieri meTode-

biT upasuxa.

biZina ivaniSvils xelisuflebis am agre-

siuli nabijebisTvis agresia ar Seugebebia da

arc qarTveli erisTvis uxmia saSvelad _ ga-

modiT, gverdiT damideqiT da damicaviTo _

ar uTqvams.

arada, rom eTqva, asiaTasobiT adamiani ga-

movidoda quCaSi.

asiaTasobiT ras mihqvia, albaT mTeli sa-

qarTvelo gamovidoda, nacmoZraobis gamokle-

biT.

ar gaakeTa es biZina ivaniSvilma, ar ikad-

ra, ufro zustad, ver gaimeta qarTveli

xalxi xelisuflebis

mxridan mosalodneli

represiebisa da Zala-

dobisTvis.

biZina ivani-Svili qarTulrealobaSi ax-ali politi-kuri kultu-ris, qcevis axa-li wesebis, ax-ali politi-kuri sintaqs-is, urTierTo-bebisa da opo-nirebis axaliformebis dam-kvidrebas cdi-lobs.

am mxriv is pragmatulad, civi gonebiT

moazrovne politikoss ki ara ufro aRmzr-

delsa da ganmanaTlebels hgavs, romelic Ta-

visi oponentebis damarcxebas da Zlevas maTi

gakeTilSobilebiT, maTi gardaqmniT, maTi

znisa da xasiaTis SecvliT apirebs da ara

uxeSi Zalis gamoyenebiT.

_ me Tqven gaiZulebT, rom SeicvaloT!

_ me Tqven gaiZulebT, rom ukeTesebi gax-

deT!

_ me Tqven gaiZulebT, pativi sceT da ar

gadauxvioT demokratiul Rirebulebebs!

_ me Tqven gaiZulebT, gadaeCvioT arCevne-

bis gayalbebas, gadaeCvioT Zaladobas, gadaeC-

vioT adamianebis abuCad agdebas!

_ me Tqven gaiZulebT, iyoT toleran-

tulni, iyoT samarTlianni, iyoT Rirseulni,

ufro zustad rom vTqvaT, iyoT adamianebi!

ai, aseTi qveteqsti ikiTxeba biZina ivaniS-

vilis qmedebebsa da mis gancxadebebSi.

guram doCanaSvilis erT-erTma personaJma

`karcerluqsi~ `gamoigona~ uwignurTa da

umecarTaTvis, rom iZulebis wesiT wignebis

kiTxva Seeyvarebina maTTvis da amiT mieRwia

maTi gaadamianurebisaTvis.

biZina ivaniSvilis mier `gamo-gonebuli~ `karcerluqsi~, Zne-lad aRsazrdeli, moxuligno daTavneba xelisuflebisTvis, _ ar-Cevnebia!

arCevnebia is `karcerluqsi~,sadac iZulebis wesiT unda miiy-vano es xelisufleba da aseve iZu-lebis wesiT iq unda gamoamwyv-dio, rom bolosdabolos gonsmoegos da cotaTi ukeTesi gax-des, vidre aris.

biZina ivaniSvilis`karcerluqsi~

xelisufalTaTvis

àris qveynad sityvebi, romle-

bisTvisac Zalzed Znelia gverdig-

verd yofna, am SemTxvevaSic asea,

sad „karceri“, da sad „luqsi“, ma-

inc ar arsebobs dedamiwaze iseTi

ori sityva, odesme erTmaneTs rom

ar Seexamos, axlac asea, - es iqne-

boda karceri-luqsi, wignebiani Ta-

roebiT savse, rbili, moxerxebuli

savarZliT, koxta magidaze naTura -

sokoTi, es iqneboda karceri - oc-

neba yoveli wignis moyvarulTaTvis,

ras izam, yvelas ar SeuZlia bibli-

oTekaSi kiTxva, da vinc Tavisi fe-

xiT Seva Cems mier SemoRebul

mowyobilobaSi, maSin es oTaxi iqne-

ba ubralod - luqsi, mravalTaTvis

ki - karceri-luqsi... ai, swored

aqedan unda damewyo - me da Cemnai-

rebi, ee, Cemnairebi - es iqneboda

uTvalavi klimi, quCa-quCa vivli-

diT, ai, vTqvaT, mivdivarT... mivdi-

varT, aviareT, CaviareT, kedels ori

jeeli miyudebia, dganan, maslaaTo-

ben, ifurTxebian, dganan, arsad ar

apireben wasvlas, fexebze hkidiaT,

romeli saaTia, ra droa, Ramea Tu

SuadRe, dganan, gogoebs eanglebian,

waustvenen, wauRiRineben, xandaxan

erTmaneTs gaexumrebian Taviseburad

- panRurs amoartyamen erTurTs, ik-

riWebian da swored am dros me da

Cemnairebi - tac! - xels vstacebT

da zemoaRweril karcerSi migvyavs...

- ZaliT? - ainteresebs xelmZR-

vanels, da pirvelad iwers raRacas.

- diax, diax, ZalisZalaTi. - mtki-

ced ambobs respondenti, Seuvalia, -

SesaZloa, xelis amotrialebac ki

dagvWirdes. iciT ra, geTayvaT, zogs

mSoblebis zemoqmedebisa sjera, zogs

- skolis, zogs - organizaciis,

sxvas - ujredisa, zogs - cema-tyepi-

sa da kidev ra vici risa aRar, mag-

ram, Cemis azriT, es Cemi luqsi, ah,

ubadloa - dgas Cveni jeeli, raRa

Tqma unda, calke vaTavsebT, am Cvens

karcerSi, WerSi SteriviT iyureba,

fanjaraze gisosebia akruli, karic,

rasakvirvelia, daxSulia, gareT ro-

melime - romelime klimi darajobs,

skamze Camomjdari, muxlebze - wig-

niT, Cveni jeeli ki uyurebs magidas,

skamsa da... karada-Taroebs, magram

jerjerobiT - araferi. midis qaTqa-

Ta sawolTan, wveba, iyureba, iyure-

ba, Tvali uSterdeba da iZinebs.

mSoblebi, ra Tqma unda, gafrTxile-

bulni arian, „nu geSiniaT, qalbato-

no, Tqveni Svili karcer-luqsSia“,

„ki batono, ki, oRond eg quCa-quCa

wanwals gadaeCvios da...“

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lliiss pprreessssaammddiivvnnoo SSeeeeccddeebbaa pprree-

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biZina ivaniSvilis pressamdivnos gancxadeba

3#46 (175), 23-25.XI, 2011 w. saerTo gazeTi

_ wina Camosvlaze hals-

tuxi rom CamomitaneT, me-

gona, axla kostums Camomi-

tandiT... ratom ar Camomi-

taneT kostumi? _ usayve-

dura saakaSvilma natos

generalur mdivans anders

fon rasmusens.

ra unda eTqva rasmu-

sens? imas xom ar etyoda,

Sen natos kostumi ki ara

sxva kostumi ufro mogix-

deboda, iseT raRacebs Ca-

dixar, genacvaleo.

cxadia, amas ver

etyoda, amitomac ase

daaimeda andersma ga-

butuli saakaSvili _

2012-13 wlebSi Tu

demokratiulad Caa-

tareb arCevnebs, kos-

tumsac Camogitan da

Coxa-axaluxsaco.

ara, mTlad sityva-

sityviT ase ar uTq-

vams, magram mis naTq-

vamSi es qveteqsti da

es qveSinaarsi ik-

iTxeboda.

batoni miSa demok-

ratiuli, samarTliani, mi-

ukerZoebeli arCevnebis Ca-

mtarebeli ar aris, ase rom,

saakaSvili didxans irbens

SiSvel tanze `Camocmuli~

rasmusenis halstuxiT da

saqarTveloc didxans iqne-

ba abezari maTxovariviT

atuzuli natos `Ria~ ka-

rebTan.

qarTvel musulmanebs sa-

akaSvilma yurban-bairamis

dResaswauli miuloca da

iqve dasZina: Cveni didi me-

fe daviT aRmaSenebeli me-

CeTSi dadioda da locu-

lobdao.

rao, kaco, rao? aRmaSe-

nebeli meCeTSi loculob-

dao?

saidan mogaqvT, Tqven,

pativcemulo, aseTi gamaog-

nebeli informaciebi?

romelma istorikosma

giTxraT aseTi ram, sad wa-

ikiTxeT, sad moismineT, vin

SegiyvanaT SecdomaSi, im

Cveni codviT savsem?

erTxel saakaSvilma Te-

lavSi, kaxelebis gulis

mosagebad ganacxada: _ Cven

ar wavalT markozaSvilebis

gziT, Cven erekles gziT

vivliTo.

erekles gza, mogexsene-

baT, ruseTisken midioda,

risi winaaRmdegnic iyvnen

e.w. markozaSvilebis darba-

zis wevrebi. anu baton saa-

kaSvils, rogorc ruseTis

Seurigebel oponents, sa-

dac samarTalia, piriqiT

unda eTqva: Cven erekles

gziT ar wavalT, Cven mar-

kozaSvilebis gziT unda vi-

aroTo.

Tumca, vin icis, saakaS-

vils iqneb zustad is wa-

moscda, rac gulSi ud-

evs?

xom gagigoniaT, Tu kar-

gad miugdeb yurs, qurdi

dReSi aTjer mainc gamoty-

debao.

saakaSvili, romelsac

misi oponentebi ruseTTan

farul garigebaSi sdeben

brals, sinamdvileSi swo-

red ruseTisken xom ar mi-

iswrafvis da dasavleTi,

Tavis natoianad, ise, sity-

vis masalad da Tavisi nam-

dvili zraxvebis SesaniRbad

xom ar sWirdeba?

ra vici... ra vici...

yovel SemTxvevaSi, sif-

rTxile gvmarTebs, rom na-

tos nacvlad putinis fe-

xebTan ar aRmovCndeT ga-

kotrialebelni.

rasmusenis halstuxi

daviT aRmaSenebeli musulmanebTanloculobda _ amtkicebs saakaSvili

_ erT Tvis win me davsvi kiTxva: aq Sekrebil adamia-

nebs _ SegiZliaT Tu ara gaimeoroT, rom saqarTvelom da-

iwyo omi?

dRes me isev minda gavimeoro es SekiTxva, oRond ga-

vumeoro sxvebsac _ `respublikelebs~ irakli alasanias,

aRzevebul mdabios _ biZina ivaniSvils: _ SegiZliaT Tu

ara dResac gaimeoroT, rom saqarTvelom daiwyo omi?

Tqveno aRmatebulebav, digvarovano da keTilSobilo

batono boco, rodis aqeT moganiWes nacionalebma Tavadis

tituli, rom biZina ivaniSvils mdabios eZaxiT?

ivaniSvili rom TvalSi gepataravebaT, albaT, danarCe-

ni qarTvelebi, Tqveni gundis beladis da Tqveni gundis

mier gaRatakebul-gaproletarebulni, albaT, mTlad Wia-

Ruebad geCvenebaT.

rac Seexeba Tqvens mier dasmul `CamWrel~ kiTxvas, vin

daiwyo omi? sul tyuilad afofindiT, Tqveno aRmatebu-

lebav, sul tyuilad ggoniaT, rom medvedevma aRiarebiTi

Cveneba mogcaT da amieridan Tavi qudSi geqnebaT.

saqme is aris, rom dRemde pasuxgaucemelia mTavari

kiTxva, ratom da rogor moxda, rom saqarTvelos xeli-

suflebam yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, ruseTs xel-fexi

gaxsnoda da Tavisi mTavari mizani ganexorcielebina?

am kiTxvas dro aucileblad dasvams Tqvens winaSe da

SeiZleba iseTi Semzaravi simarTle gacxaddes, rom saqar-

Tvelom samudamod SegaCvenoT.

didgvarovan `nacionals~ mis aRmatebulebas boco(nugzar) wiklaurs `mdabio~

biZina ivaniSvili TvalSi epataraveba?

4 saerTo gazeTi #46 (175), 23-25.XI, 2011 w.

gvesaubreba filosofosi

goCa msxilaZe:

_ goCa rogor SeafasebT bi-

Zina ivaniSvilis Semosvlas qar-

Tul politikaSi? movlenebis ra

ganviTarebaa mosalodneli?

_ biZina ivaniSvilis politi-

kaSi mosvla SeiZleba erTi sity-

viT davaxasiaToT _ es aris mo-

lodini. jerjerobiT es aris er-

Tgvari disbalansi molodinebsa

da molodinebis Sesrulebas So-

ris. ivaniSvilis politikur siv-

rceSi gamoCenis yvelaze didi

saSiSroeba swored esaa. man mo-

lodinebis imxela Tamasa aswia,

ara rogorc politikurma moRva-

wem, aramed sakuTari pirovnebi-

dan gamomdinarem, Tavisgan damo-

ukideblad, RmerTma ar qnas, rom

es molodinebi sazogadoebas ga-

ucruvdes. Tu marTlac ase mox-

da, CaTvaleT, rom `nacionaluri

moZraobis~, sanam davberdebiT da

WaRara ar Segvepareba iqamde yu-

reba da atana mogviwevs.

_ biZina ivaniSvilis sakuTar

rezidenciaSi 18 saxelmwifos

elCi estumra. rogor fiqrob,

aqvs ivaniSvils dasavleTis

mxridan mxardaWera?

_ am movlenas Zalian sainte-

reso waxnagebi aqvs. kerZod, Tu

visaubrebT imaze, risTvis mivida

18 qveynis elCi ivaniSvilTan,

amas Zalian martivad vxsni _

esaa uzarmazari interesi am per-

sonis mimarT, maT undodaT gae-

goT, Tu ra politikur plat-

formaze dgas ivaniSvili. magram

erT saintereso detalze minda

gavamaxvilo Tqveni yuradReba,

kerZod, ra damarTa propagandis-

tulma manqanam qarTul sazoga-

doebas. es gaxlavT cnebebiT Jan-

glioroba, rasac pro-dasavlu-

roba da pro-rusuloba hqvia. mi-

Sas propagandistulma manqanam

sazogadoeba iseT verbalur vel-

Si moaqcia, rom mxolod urTi-

eTgamomricxavi kategoriebiT

vsaubrobT _ politikosi unda

iyos an pro-rusuli an pro-da-

savluri. amave dros, naTelia,

rom pro-rusuloba moRalateo-

baa, pro-dasavluroba _ patrio-

tizmi. aseTi azrovnebis dros

Zalian martivia cnobierebis ma-

nipulireba, radgan iarliyis mi-

webebaa advili da mtris xatis

Seqmna. arada, sazogadoebas bo-

lomde ar aqvs gacnobierebuli

da gaazrebuli, ras niSnavs cal-

ke pro-rusuloba da pro-dasav-

luroba _ es didi kiTxvis niS-

nis qveSaa. Cven Rirebulebebs, iq-

neba es politikuri Tu kultu-

ruli, xSir SemTxvevaSi, pro-da-

savlurobasTan saerTo araferi

aqvs. mas ganapirobebs is istori-

uli gza, romelic saqarTvelom

gaiara dasavleTisgan gansxvave-

biT. Cven ar gagvivlia reforma-

cia, ganmanaTlebloba, ar gvibr-

Zolia socialuri Tanasworobis-

Tvis. Cven mudmivad erovnuli ga-

darCeniTvis vibrZodiT. ar gag-

vivlia 1968 weli, ar gvyolia

bloki da monteskie. Sesabamisad,

rodesac pro-dasavlurobasa da

pro-rusulobaze vsaubrobT, ga-

urkvevel situaciaSi varT. unda

davfiqrdeT, ras niSnavs pro-da-

savluroba da pro-rusuloba. Tu

politikuri Rirebulebebis do-

neze davalT, maSin isini erTma-

neTs saerTod ar kveTen.

_ cnobilia, rom biZina iva-

niSvili gamarjvebas arCevnebis

gziT apirebs. Tumca iqamde xeli-

suflebas erTi weli aqvs. ro-

gor fiqrob, mosalodnelia Tu

ara garkveuli safrTxeebi, biZi-

na ivaniSvilis politikidan Ca-

moSorebis kuTxiT?

_ safrTxe iciT ra aris? _

is politikuri dividendebi, ro-

melic Tavisi mosvliT biZina iva-

niSvils aqvs, politikurma

brZolam ar gaafermkrTalos da

maRali RirebulebiTi konotacia,

rac mas aqvs, ar daakargvinos.

amis realuri safrTxe arsebobs.

aqve arsebobs sxva saSiSroebac _

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT qarTul sa-

zogadoebaSi mesianizmis erTgvar

elements, anu mesiis mosvlas _

aris saSiSroeba, rom misgan ki-

dev erTi kerpi Seiqmnas. aqve ik-

veTeba ori moZraoba _ erTi Ta-

vad biZina ivaniSvilis personaJi,

Tu ramdenad SeewinaaRmdgeba igi

im politikur nebas, tkbobas,

romlis winaSec SeiZleba aRmoC-

ndes gakerpebis SemTxvevaSi, meo-

re _ ramdenad iswavla sazoga-

doebam Wkua kerpebTan mimarTeba-

Si. ivaniSvili lakmusis qaRal-

dia, romelic bevr kiTxvaze gas-

cems pasuxs. Tu sazogadoeba uf-

ro Wkviani aRmoCndeba, vidre me

mgonia, maSin am saSiSroebas Ta-

vidan avicilebT. rogor unda mi-

videT arCevnebamde? _ politika

TavisTavSi gulisxmobs quCasac.

ivaniSvils deklarirebuli aqvs,

rom quCaSi gamosvlebs ar mimar-

Tavs, magram droTa ganmavlobaSi

politikuri saWiroeba ras mo-

iTxovs, amis mcodne dedamiwis

zurgze aravinaa. amitom, batoni

biZina politikur niuansebSi uf-

ro metad roca gaerkveva, mixvde-

ba, rom SeiZleba es gzac iyos

gamosayenebeli.

_ goCa, bolo dros bevrs sa-

ubroben, rom ivaniSvili, ro-

gorc politikosi Sedga. Tumca,

aviwydebaT misi ZiriTadi oponen-

ti _ xelisufleba, romelic

gulxeldakrefili namdvilad ar

zis.

_ Tu kidev vinme fiqrobs,

rom xelisuflebas sZinavs, is an

yrua an brma. kontrdartymebis

reJimi xelisuflebis mxridan

mudmivad gagrZeldeba. garda ami-

sa, CarTulia propagandistuli

manqana. xelisufleba sakmaod

kreatiulia opoziciis diskre-

ditaciis TvalsazrisiT. aris ki-

dev erTi garemoeba _ xelisuf-

lebasTan kamaTi sakmaod Znelia.

Zalian Znelia xelisuflebas ra-

cionalur kamaTSi ahyve, sadac

erTi mxare meore mxares argu-

mentebiT esaubreba. radganac isi-

ni am argumentis vels miRma ari-

an. maTTan SeuZlebelia kamaTi

imitom ki ara, rom simarTle maT

mxaresaa da meore mxares es si-

marTle araa, aramed imitom, rom

xelisufleba ar operirebs si-

marTle-arsimarTlis kriteriu-

mebiT. maT mxolod erTi ena es-

miT _ isini unda marTavdnen ise,

rogorc aqamde marTavdnen da

morCa. rogorc ki maT argumente-

biT epaeqrebi, mudam xeli geca-

reba, radgan Tu erTi mxare cdi-

lobs xelisuflebas argumentebi

daupirispiros, igi winaswar Ca-

moyalibebuli varaudebiT gesaub-

reba, Sesabamisad, yovelgvari ra-

cionaluri dava masTan azrs mok-

lebulia. amitom ivaniSvilma po-

litikuri brZolis yvela forma

unda gamoiyenos.

Tamar SveliZe

biZina ivaniSvilma politikuri brZolis

yvela gza unda gamoiyenos

18 noembers gamoCenil qarTvel mwerals Wabua amire-jibs 90 weli Seusrulda.

`saerTo gazeTma~ oriode kiTxviT mimarTa mas.

_ batono Wabua, rogor uyurebT Tqvens ganvlil cxov-

rebas dRevandeli gadasaxedidan da moganiWaT Tu ara be-

rulma cxovrebam sulieri simSvide?

_ Cems mier ganvlili cxovreba, upirvelesad yovlisa,

RmrTis mier boZebuli sulierebis produqtia da amdenad,

dadebiTad vafaseb yovel nabijs, romelic Cemi da Tqveni

samSoblos awmyosa da Cemi da Tqveni eris momavlisTvis ga-

damidgams, rac Seexeba berul cxovrebas, mogaxsenebT, rom

berad aRkvecas Cems cxovrebaSi gadamwyveti cvlilebebi ar

moutania, jer kidev Wabukobis droidan marTlmadidebeli

qristiani viyavi da var dResac. sulieri simSvide SiSis

grZnobis Zlevam momaniWa _ sicocxlesTan ganSorebis SiSs,

trabaxSi nuravin CamomarTmevs, Wabukobidanve vZlie.

_ rogor uyurebT saqarTvelos dRevandel rTul mdgo-

mareobas danarCen msofliosTan mimarTebaSi?

_ ar mimaCnia, rom qarTvel ers da mTlianad saqarTve-

los dRes tragikulad rTuli mdgomareoba hqondes.

Cveni istoria rTuli da umZimes gansacdelTa istoriaa.

magram agera _ varT, vviTardebiT, momavals vimzadebT mi-

uxedavad imisa, rom naklul SesaZleblobaTa meTaurebis

xelT varT. amaod fafxuroben, saakaSvilebi da misTanani

ver mogverevian, gamarjvebebiT aRniSnuli eri varT da mo-

mavalic aseTi gveqneba.

eTer kasreliSvili

bbaattoonnoo WWaabbuuaa,,

Tqveni cxovreba naTeli magaliTia imisa, Tu rogor Se-

iZleba Secvalos erTi adamianis mier ganvlilma wlebma

da naazrevma mTeli sazogadoeba. Tqven zneobrivi gmiris

saxe SeqmeniT maSin, rodesac bolSevizmi yvelafers ake-

Tebda Cveni sulebis dasaknineblad. am gmirma ukve Taobe-

bi aRzarda da gzac gaakvlevina Cven urTules samyaroSi.

metadre igi gvWirdeba dRes, rodesac qveyanas daeuf-

lnen adamianebi, visTvisac Cven mxolod istoriis saSeni

masalani varT da visac erTi adamianis mier meorisTvis

gaweul sikeTeSic ki angarebisa da boroti zraxvis amo-

kiTxva SeuZlia. RvTis madliT da Tqveni da TqvenisTane-

bis naazrevis SemweobiT Cven yvelani maTac davZlevT da

erTad aRvisrulebT qarTul ocnebas.

suliT da guliT gilocavT iubiles! dae, kidev mra-

val wels gvyavdeT, kidev mraval wels mogvyvebodes Tqve-

ni fxizeli zneobrivi Tvali!

uRrmesi pativiscemiT

biZina ivaniSvili

batoni Wabua iubilaria

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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gvesaubreba poeti

baRaTer arabuli:_ `saerTo gazeTi~ Zalian

obieqturad aSuqebs dRevandel

politikur viTarebas. qarTuli

politikuri cxovreba aWrilia

da dawmendas saWiroebs. `saerTo

gazeTi~ qarTuli sazogadoebis

sworad CamoyalibebaSi did

rols asrulebs. amisaTvis mis

redaqtors vaxtang xarCilavas

did madlobas vuxdi. aqve minda

visargeblo SemTxveviT da mivu-

loco mas galaktion tabiZis

premia qarTul mwerlobaSi Se-

tanili gansakuTrebuli wvli-

lisTvis. igi aris gamoCeuli pi-

rovneba, poeti, romelmac Tavisi

leqsebiT, gazeTiT didi roli

Seasrula qveynis samsaxurSi.

rac Seexeba Tqvens SekiTxvas,

bolo dros qarTuli politi-

kuri mdinareba Camkvdari iyo

imitom, rom `nacionalurma moZ-

raobam~ yvelaferi gaakeTa, raTa

saqarTveloSi opoziciuri xma

ar yofiliyo. bolo dros davi-

naxeT, Tu rogor gaiyida Tavi

araerTma politikurma partiam,

romlebic xelisuflebas Seekr-

nen. prezidenti gveubneba, rom

ekonomikuri aRmasvlaa Cvens qve-

yanaSi, Tumca realuri suraTi

sul sxvaa _ sazogadoebis 70

procenti umuSevaria, visac Se-

uZlia yvela saqarTvelodan

garbis da sakuTari nebiT ukan

dabrunebuli aravin minaxavs.

dRes, Tu `nacionaluri moZrao-

bis~ wevri ar xar, ar arsebobs

samsaxuris Sovnis, biznesis

warmoebis garantia, aseTi tero-

ri komunistebis drosac ki ar

yofila arapartiulebis mimarT.

Tu nacionali ar xar, e.i. qvey-

nis mteri xar da maSinve krimi-

nalad, ruseTis agentad gamo-

gacxadeben. ebraelebs aqvT

brZnuli gamonaTqvami _ arc Se-

ni icode da arc sxvisi gjero-

deso. ase sWirs Cvens xelisuf-

lebas. xalxs politikuri cxov-

rebis mimarT rwmena dakarguli

aqvs. ar sjeraT, rom maTi xmis

micemiT qveyanaSi raime Seicvle-

ba, radgan `nacionaluri moZra-

oba~ qveyanaSi politikuri diq-

tatis warmmarTvelia da yvela-

feri ise iqneba, rogorc maT en-

domebaT. am dros gamoCnda qar-

Tul politikaSi axali saxeli

biZina ivaniSvilis saxiT. daWao-

bebuli garemo uceb gacocxlda,

mosaxleobam TiTqos gaiRviZa,

gamodis im Zilburanidan, saRa-

Tas Zilidan, romelSic igi xe-

lisuflebam Seiyvana. iwyeba sa-

zogadoebis axleburi azrovneba,

xalxs aRar unda iyvnen monebi,

sicruis samyaroSi cxovreba.

xalxs unda simarTlis mTqmeli

media, xelisufleba, parlamenti,

romelic TeTrze ityvis TeT-

riao, Savze ki _ Saviao. biZina

ivaniSvili wlebis manZilze an-

garebis, yovelgari aJitirebis

gareSe afinansebda yvelafers,

rasac xelisufleba Semdgom sa-

kuTar Tavze iwerda. biZina iva-

niSvili uangarod afinansebda

kulturas, mecnierebas, im pi-

rovnebebs, visac mwerlobaSi di-

di wvlili aqvT Setanili da

a.S.

_ Tavdapirvelad biZina iva-

niSvilze xelisuflebis mier

ganxorcielebul dartymebs du-

miliT Sexvdnen kulturis, mec-

nierebisa Tu sxva dargis moRva-

weebi, romelTac biznesmeni wle-

bis manZilze sakmaod solidur

Tanxebs uricxavda. rogor fiq-

robT, ratom dums inteligenci-

is didi nawili?

_ Tqveni mosazreba mTlad

zusti ar aris. am xalxis na-

wilma mogvianebiT, Tumca Tavian-

Ti pozicia presis furclebidan

gamoxata. mwerlebis mxardasaWe-

ri gancxadebac gamoqveynda, ase-

ve mxatvrebis, msaxiobebis da

a.S. Tumca, meore mxriv, geTanx-

mebiT, sazogadoebis nawili isea

daterorebuli, rom SeSinebul-

ni arian da xmamaRla ver afiq-

sireben sakuTar azrs. ver beda-

ven prezidents uTxran, aRudgi-

nos moqalaqeoba biZina ivaniS-

vils. maSin, roca saqarTvelos

moqalaqeobas aZleven iseT pirs,

vinc ruseTSi putinze raRac wa-

ibJutura. viRac panfilovebis

da viRacebis saxetialo ar un-

da iyos saqarTvelos terito-

ria.

saqarTvelos pre-zidentis udidesi Sec-domaa biZina ivaniSvi-lisTvis saqarTvelosmoqalaqeobis CamorT-meva, piriqiT misTvissaakaSvils sapatiomoqalaqis wodeba un-da mieniWebina.

saakaSvilma kargad unda

icodes, rom mis xelisuflebaSi

darCenas arc evropa, arc aSS

mxars ar uWers imitom, rom igi

kavkasiis regionSi destabiliza-

ciis erT-erTi muxtia. ivaniS-

vilma 1 miliard 300 milioni

lari daxarja saqarTvelosTvis,

exmareboda xelisuflebas, mag-

ram rodesac is mixvda, rom sa-

akaSvilis politika diqtato-

rulia, gadawyvita mas gasclo-

da. da es biZina ivaniSvilma ga-

akeTa 2008 wels, rodesac dai-

naxa, rom saqarTvelom gauazreb-

lad daiwyo cxinvalis, sakuTa-

ri moqalaqeebis dabombva. iva-

niSvils gansakuTrebuli arafe-

ri uTqvams, es taliavinis dask-

vnaSic weria, rom farTomasSta-

biani saomari qmedeba saqarTve-

los mxarem daiwyo. biZina iva-

niSvili TeTrze-Te-

Trs da Savze-Savs

ambobs. igi ambobs,

rom moswyinda sic-

rueSi cxovreba. mas

unda misi ojaxi da

yvela cxovrobdes

iseT saqarTveloSi,

sadac ar eSiniaT te-

lefonze darekvisas

vinmem ar mogisminos

da sadac ar atyueben

TiTqos ruseTze ga-

vimarjveT. realurad

samarcxvinod davmar-

cxdiT 3 dReSi. biZi-

na ivaniSvilma poli-

tikaSi mosvlisas

Tqva _ ruseTTan

gvqonda konfliqti,

magram am geopolitikidan ver

amovvardebiT, ver davimalebiT

versad. vercerTi ver gamovicv-

liT binas da sxva korpusSi ver

gadavalT sacxovreblad. Cven

valdebulni varT mezoblebTan

Cveni politikiT, urTierTobiT

movagvaroT problema da mere

veZeboT gareT sxva megobrebi,

radgan Tu karis mezoblebTan ar

gaqvs problema mogvarebuli,

yovelTvis geqneba saxlSi prob-

lemebi. biZina ivaniSvilmac swo-

red es Tqva _ ruseTTan unda

movagvaroT problemebi, Tu gvin-

da afxazeTsa da samaCablos dab-

runebaze vifiqroT. maTTan ur-

TierTobis mogvarebis gasaRebi

ki, Cemi azriT, swored ruseTSi

devs. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom

Tavad ruseTs samaCablo da

afxazeTi sakmaod mZime tvirTad

awevs kiserze. maT Sesanaxad, mas

miliardebis daxarjva uwevs. pu-

tinma araerTxel ganacxada _

SeiZleba molaparakebebi da sa-

ubris dawyeba teritoriebis

Sesaxeb. saubris dawyebis SemTx-

vevaSi dabrunebis Sansi realu-

rad Cndeba. saqarTveloSi soci-

alur-ekonomikuri garemo piro-

bebi unda Seiqmnas, raTa oss da

afxazs TbilisSi Camosvla uf-

ro uxarodes, vidre moskovSi.

roca biznesi da sxva sferoebi

terorisgan ganTavisufldeba,

yvelas gauxardeba Camosvla.

_ dRes biZina ivaniSvilis

biznesic xelisuflebis tero-

ris qveS aRmoCnda. xelisufle-

bis ukanono qmedebebis mimarT

ivaniSvili jerjerobiT uZlu-

ria. rogor gesaxebaT movlene-

bis ganviTareba?

_ amazrzenia xelisuflebis

qmedeba. sanam biZina ivaniSvili

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Taoba-

ze ganacxadebda, manamde mis mzes

ficulobdnen, axla ki xelisuf-

lebisTvis miuRebeli gaxda, ax-

la aRmoCnda isic, rom lebedis,

putinis megobari yofila, SeiZ-

leba ivaniSvils arc hyavs pi-

rispir putini nanaxi. saocaria,

kaci, romelmac amdeni fuli Ca-

do saqarTvelos gadarCenisTvis,

axla mtrad iqca. am dros ki xe-

lisuflebas hyavs benduqiZe,

romelic gaurkveveli cnobiere-

bis, fsiqologiis, warmomavlo-

bisaa, romelmac ruseTis xeli-

suflebas strategiuli obieq-

tebi mihyida da mtrad ar iTv-

leba. xelisufleba ormag Ta-

maSs eweva _ erTi mxriv biZina

ivaniSvilis fuls, romelic man

ruseTSi daagrova da saqarTve-

los sakeTildReod gamoiyena,

rusul fulad miiCnevs, meore

mxriv _ kaxa benduqiZes, romel-

sac dResac ruseTSi aqvs bizne-

si, ufleba misces yvela stra-

tegiuli obieqti ruseTisTvis

mieyida. kaxa benduqiZe gamodis

saqarTvelos patrioti, ivaniS-

vilis qvelmoqmedeba ki politi-

kaSi mosvlis gancxadebis gamo,

xelisuflebas aRar axsovs. xe-

lisuflebam unda icodes, rom

igi maradiuli ver iqneba. rac

Seexeba `qarTu bankis~ sainkasa-

cio manqanaze Tavdasxmas, es xe-

lisuflebis mxridan didi dana-

Sauli iyo. es aris Ria yaCaRo-

ba, rac arcerT civilur qveya-

naSi ar xdeba. aseTi ram demok-

ratiis Suqura qveynebSi ar xde-

ba. aseTi faqtis gamo normalur

qveyanaSi prezidents SeiZleba

impiCmentic gamoucxadon. ro-

gorc iciT, axla igoneben axal-

axal kanonebs, raTa biZina iva-

niSvilis fuli naklebad iyos

CarTuli arCevnebSi. minda gavax-

seno nacionalebs, wina arCevneb-

Si maT saarCevno yulaba biznes-

menebis daterorebis Sedegad 13

milioni lariT Seivso. maSin,

rodesac yvela opoziciur par-

tias erTad aRebuli mxolod

500 aTasi lari hqondaT. dRes,

Turme aRar SeiZleba saarCevnod

am fulis gamoyeneba. xelisuf-

leba ecdeba biZina ivaniSvilis

finansebi saagitacio-sapropagan-

do sistemaSi aqtiurad ar iyos

CarTuli. Tumca araferi gamou-

vaT. rodesac erovnuli Zalebi

xelisuflebaSi movidnen, zviad

gamsaxurdias da mis gunds kapi-

ki ar hqondaT jibeSi. komunis-

tebs ki hqondaT yvela berketi

raikomis mdivnebidan dawyebuli

fuliT damTavrebuli. ise, ro-

gorc dRes aqvs fuli `naciona-

lur moZraobas~, romelic komu-

nisturi partiis ideologiis

tyupiscalia da savsea maTi STa-

momavlebiT, Tundac giorgi ar-

velaZe, romelic dRes ìmeds~

marTavs, mamamisi _ taxir arve-

laZe qalaqis meris moadgile

iyo da kagad wvelida komunis-

tebs. dRes misi Svili igive

ideologiiT marTavs ìmeds~.

zviad gamsaxurdiam komunisturi

partia fulis gareSe daamarcxa

Ria moedanze. dRes, absolutu-

rad igive moxdeba, radgan faq-

tobrivad saqarTvelos mTeli

mosaxleoba saRaTas Zilidan uk-

ve gamodis da iRviZebs is erov-

nuli sulis muxti, romelic

zviad gamsaxurdias dros arse-

bobda. veraviTari winaRoba, je-

biri mas win ver daudgeba. biZi-

na ivaniSvili aris pirovneba,

romelsac SeuZlia yovelgvari

finansebis gareSe movides xeli-

suflebaSi da daarqvas TeTrs _

TeTri, Savs _ Savi.

_ Tqven biZina ivaniSvilis

gapremierministrebaze jer kidev

2009 wels gaakeTeT gancxadeba

presaSi. maSin biZina ivaniSvili

Cumad eweoda qvelmoqmedebas da

mis politikaSi mosvlas veravin

ifiqrebda. ras emyareboda maSin

Tqveni mosazreba da ras elode-

biT axla misgan?

_ diax, es iyo 2009 wels,

rodesac biZina ivaniSvili ar-

cerT politikur gamokiTxvebSi

ar figurirebda, am periodSi ga-

vakeTe gaTvlebi. ivaniSvilma Ta-

visi niWiT, SromiT Seqmna didi

biznesi. ruseTSi, am uzarmazar

qveyanaSi upatrono qarTvelma,

yovelgvari mxardaWeris gareSe

did warmatebis miaRwia. es niS-

navs, rom aseTi adamiani, TiToe-

uli qarTvelis valdebulebaa,

movabrunoT saqarTveloSi da

qveynis sakeTildReod gamoviye-

noT da ara mtrebad da moRala-

teebad gamovacxadoT. 2009

wels àsaval-dasavals~ hqonda

rubrika `vin gesaxebaT momaval

prezidentad da premier minist-

rad?~ maSin davwere, rom premi-

er-ministri biZina ivaniSvili

unda yofiliyo, anu adamiani,

romelic meurnea da saqmis keTe-

ba SeuZlia. vfiqrob, Cemi winas-

warmetyveleba aucileblad aRs-

6 gv.

ivaniSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis CamorTmeva sveticxovlis

amSeneblis _ arsakiZisTvis marjvenis moWris tolfasia


ruldeba. vanga ar var, Tumca

visac analizis unari aqvs dame-

Tanxmeba, rom saqarTveloSi sa-

kuTari Tavis realizebis ufle-

ba aseT adamians unda mieces. igi

wlebia saqarTvelodan ar gasu-

la da moqalaqeoba ki ar unda

waarTva, piriqiT sapatio moqa-

laqis wodeba unda mianiWo. xe-

lisuflebam Tu ar gaakeTa, es

xalxi gaakeTebs amas. xelisuf-

lebas ki Zalian cudad Semoub-

rundeba es yvelaferi imitom,

rom Tu biZina ivaniSvils xeli

SeeSleba, mTeli mosaxleoba ga-

reT gamova da SeiZleba rame

ubedurebac datrialdes. aqve

unda aRiniSos, rom xelisufle-

bam ukve daiwyo aqtiuri mzade-

ba arCevnebisTvis. xelisuflebam

SeiZleba naadrevad momavali

wlis Semodgomamde daniSnos

arCevnebi, imaze gaTvliT, rom

ivaniSvils jer politikuri

partia Seqmnili ar aqvs. maqvs

informacia, rom xelisuflebas

unda, daaswron ivaniSvils da

sanam igi struqturebs Seqmnis

Caataron arCevnebi. xelisufle-

bam samSobiaro saxlebSi `naci-

onaluri moZraobis~ egidiT uk-

ve daiwyo mSobiareebis dafinan-

seba. faqtobrivad, saakaSvilmac

ukve gaaqtiura saarCevno gasv-

lebi regionebSi. amitom biZina

ivaniSvils Tqveni gazeTis meSve-

obiT minda mokrZalebiT vurCio

_ saswrafod Seqnas struqtu-

rebi, mrCevelTa sabWoSi auci-

leblad Seiyvanos azerbaija-

nelebis, somxebis warmomadgen-

lebi, imitom, rom xelisufle-

bas Zalian didi imedi aqvs miZi-

nebuli, maTi mxardamWeri ara-

qarTuli regionebis mosaxleo-

bis. amitom ivaniSvilma didi aq-

tiuroba unda gamoiCinos am re-

gionebis mosaxleobis CarTulo-

bisTvis. aucilebelia igi Sexv-

des samecniero wris warmomad-

genlebs, inteligencias, mweral-

Ta kavSirs, sxva SemoqmedebiT

kavSirebs. aucilebelia adgi-

lebze Sexvedrebi araqarTul

mosaxleobasTan. unda moxdes

araqarTulenovani _ azerbaija-

nuli, somxuri presis xelSe-

wyoba, raTa miewodos informa-

cia vin aris da ras saqmianobs

biZina ivaniSvili. am struqtu-

rebis Seqmnis daCqarebaa saWiro,

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi xeli-

sufleba yvelafers gaakeTebs,

raTa biZina ivaniSvilis avtori-

teti gaaneitralos. RmerTma ar

qnas, es moxdes, radgan es iqne-

ba qarTveli xalxis tragedia.

qarTuli ocneba aucileblad

unda axdes. xazgasmiT minda aR-

vniSno _ man gverdiT daiyena

dasavluri azrovnebis, Rirebu-

lebebis damcveli partiebi. Tu

xelisufleba arCevnebis adreu-

lad daniSvnas gadawyvets, iva-

niSvili iZulebuli gaxdeba

irakli alasanias partiiT Tavi-

si idelogiis, interesebis rea-

lizeba moaxdinos. aqve minda aR-

vniSno, rom qarTveli mwerle-

bis umravlesoba gverdiT daud-

geba simarTles, qarTuli ocne-

bis axdenas.

_ TqvenTvis ra aris qarTu-

li ocneba da rogor gesaxebaT

misi axdena?

_ es aris qarTuli intere-

sebis, cnobierebis, kulturis,

fesvebis, tradiciebis moazreba

da am mimarTulebiT saxelmwi-

fos mSenebloba. am yvelafris

gareSe qveynis Seneba niSnavs,

rom mas silaze vaSenebT. aseTi

aSenebuli qveyana CamoiSleba.

dRes, xelisufleba gveubneba

yvelam inglisuri ena unda is-

wavloTo, es cudi araa, magram

iaponiam, CineTma inglisuri enis

codnis gareSe miaRwies udides

ekonomikur warmatebebs. roca

yvealfris mospobas da axali

qarTvelis Seqmnas cdilob, es

droebiTi movlenaa da swored

silaze saxlis mSeneblobas

hgavs, romelic aucileblad Ca-

moiSleba. dRes, Cven Zalian bev-

ri, silaze aSenebuli azrovne-

bis nimuSi gvaqvs saqarTveloSi.

axla araprofesionalebis poli-

tikiT imarTeba saqarTvelo da

dro dadga profesionalebi em-

saxuron qveyanas. biZina ivaniSvi-

li swored amas ambobs _ Sevqm-

ni iseT garemos, rom saqarTve-

loSi yvelam Tavisi saqme ake-

Tos da yvela profesia dafase-

buli iyos. saqarTvelo soflis

meurneobis qveyanaa da ivaniSvi-

lic prioritets swored amas

aniWebs. saqarTvelo, Tavisi ge-

ografiuli mdebareobidan gamom-

dinare, im sferoebis warmmarT-

veli unda iyos, rac qarTvel

xalxs odiTganve exerxeboda.

turizmze ar unda aago qveyana,

radgan igi yvela qveyanaSi aris

maTi wyaroebis, produqciis

propagandis reklamis saSualeba

da ara maTi ZiriTadi Semosava-

li. turistebis meti araferi

hyavda egviptes, magram davinaxeT

rogor CamoiSala es qveyana. yve-

la qarTvelis mcdeloba, biZina

ivaniSvilTan erTad, mimarTuli

unda iyos ukeTesi saqarTvelos

Senebisken.

_ bolos patriarqis gancxa-

debazec minda gkiTxoT. man saa-

kaSvils biZina ivaniSvilisTvis

moqalaqeobis dabrunebisken mou-

woda.

_ biZina ivaniSvilma aaSena

samebis taZari. saqarTvelos

swored am kulturuli ZegliT

Seafaseben da ara mtkvarze ga-

daWimuli lokokinis msgavsi xi-

diT. qarTveli kacisTvis moqa-

laqeoba-armoqalaqeobis miniWeba

erTi kacis xuSturebiT ar un-

da xdebodes. is vinc qarTul

saqmes akeTebs, qarTuli cnobie-

rebis matarebelia _ ucxoeTSi

iqneba Tu aq, igi imsaxurebs sa-

qarTvelos moqalaqeobas. swo-

red es brZana patriarqma. Tu sa-

akaSvili gonierebas gamoiCens

da Secdomas gamoasworebs, amiT

saqarTveloSi cxovrebis da

moRvaweobis perspeqtivas gai-

xangrZlivebs. winaaRmdeg SemTx-

vevaSi, Tu ivaniSvils moqalaqe-

obas ar miscemen, CavTvaloT,

rom saqarTveloSi Zalian bevrs,

saakaSvilis, minaSvilis, gila-

uris da im xalxis, vinc parla-

mentSi sxedan da kacma ar icis

maTi warmoSobis Sesaxeb, maTi

bedic gasarkvevi iqneba samomav-

lod. minaSvilis Tu minasianis

gadasawyveti ar unda iyos iqne-

ba Tu ara ivaniSvili saqarTve-

los moqalaqe. ivaniSvilisTvis

moqalaqeobis CamorTmeva sve-

ticxovlis amSeneblis _ arsaki-

ZisTvis marjvenis moWris tol-

fasia.

Tamar SveliZe

5 gv.

mwerali

guram odiSaria: _CemTvis `qarTul ocnebaSi~

qarTvelebis gaerTianeba moiaz-

reba. bolo 25 welia erT xeli-

suflebas meore cvlis da ase

uwyvetad. qarTvelebs Soris

mudmiv dapirispirebas mtkivneu-

lad da mZafrad aRviqvam.

yvela adamiani bedniereba-

ze da ukeTesze fiqrobs, Tavisi

ojaxis keTildReobas natrobs.

Tumca, upirveles yovlisa, al-

baT, Zalian bevri samSoblos

bednier momavalze fiqrobs. yo-

vel SemTxvevaSi, ase unda iyos.

samSoblos mivusadagebT Cven am

frazas-`qarTul ocnebas~ ami-

tom Cemi gadasaxedidan da Ce-

mi samreklodan vambob: qarTu-

li ocnebaa, saqarTvelos Svi-

lebma moZebnon erTi sayrdeni.

TiToeulma warmoaCinos Tavi-

si Zliereba, anu rac mas ukeT

gamosdis: politikuri azrov-

neba, zneobrivi simaRle, mate-

rialuri resursi...yvelaferi

erTad... radgan es erToblio-

ba xval da zeg mTel saqarT-

velos wagvadgeba. ufro metad

viswavloT erTmaneTSi dialo-

gi, urTierTgageba gvqondes da

Tanac, sityva saqmed vaqcioT.

is saSineli dapirispireba,

rac wlebia usasrulod

grZeldeba, bolos da bolos

dasrulebuliyos.

TiToeul qarTvelSi vxedav

bevr dadebiTs da minda am re-

sursis Sekreba. (ara marto qar-

Tvelebi, saqarTveloSi mcxovre-

bi sxva erebic myavs mxedveloba-

Si-saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi.)ma-

Sin Cvenze bednieri, lamazi da

mowesrigebuli qveyana iSviaTad

iqneba am dedamiwaze da garda

imisa, rom Tavsac gadavarCenT,

gadavrCenT sxvebsac, radgan

sxvebisTvisac viqnebiT magaliTi.

bevrs vmogzaurob da vici:

yofil sabWoTa kavSirSi yvela-

ze mware, yvelaze mwvave poli-

tikuri dapirispireba Cven gvaqvs

erTmaneTSi. mova dro da ra Tqma

unda, es procesebi dalagdeba,

ar iqneba mwvave dapirispirebebi,

magram SevamciroT, SevamokloT

is dro.

soxumeli kaci var da erTi

ram kargad gavisigrZegane-dab-

rundeba mxolod frinvelTa

gundi, marto frinvels ar SeuZ-

lia dabruneba. ase rom, Cven-yve-

lani erTad viqnebiT gamarjvebu-

lebi, an davmarcxdebiT im qro-

nikuli damarcxebiT, romelSic

bolo periodia zedized vmarcx-

debiT. es aris Cveni ubedureba,

rom ver vswavlobT Wkuas saku-

Tar damarcxebebze. kidev er-

Txel vambob xazgasmiT, `qarTu-

li ocnebis~ asrulebas vukavSi-

reb TiToeul Cvengans gundurad

da ara cal-calke.

_ batono guram, rogor fiq-

robT, ekuTvnis Tu ara biZina

ivaniSvils saqarTvelos moqala-

qeoba?_

_ ekuTvnis, ra Tqma unda. vis

vis da biZina ivaniSvils saqarT-

velos moqalaqeoba unda hqon-

des, amaze ori azri ar maqvs.

kacma amdeni gaakeTos Tavisi

qveynisTvis-saqarTvelosTvis da

mere raRac kanonebiT CaveZioT,

rom iq raRac darRveula da ami-

tom ar SeiZleba da a.S...ar aris

marTebuli midgoma.

netav, am kanonis garda Cven

qveyanaSi darRveuli wesebi da

kanonebi ar arsebobdes.

naTia nodia

msaxiobi guram fircxalava:_ batono guram, ras fiqrobT im `qarTul ocnebaze~, rac

biZina ivaniSvilma samomavlod aRgviTqva?_

_ `qarTuli ocneba~_yvelaferia Tqmuli am ori sityviT.

ori sityva, rom ase SeaerTa da miusadaga, magas venacvale. mar-

Tlac SesaniSnavi slogania.

msurs is ocneba ausruldes qveyanas, risi ocnebac dRevan-

delma mTavrobam daukarga. imedi maqvs Canafiqri agvisrulde-

ba.

pirvel rigSi, Tavisuflebis wyurvili gvaqvs qarTvelebs.

es iqneba sasamarTlo, media saSualeba, Tu adamianis uflebe-

bis dacvisaTvis sxva aucilebeli piroba.

qarTvelebis ocnebaa Tavisufali saqarTvelo da Cven qveya-

naSi xalxs erTmaneTi uyvardes.amaT, ai am xelisuflebam, ada-

mianebs erTmaneTi SeaZula.

xolo `qarTuli ocneba~ es mxolod ivaniSvilis ocneba ki

ara, sruliad saqarTvelos ocnebaa da zustad aris mignebuli

sityvebi. batoni biZinas didi imedi maqvs, rom am ocnebas ag-

visrulebs.

naTia nodia

ras fiqroben qarTvelebi `qarTul ocnebaze~


naira gelaSvili, mwerali:

`...Cemis azriT, xelisuflebam gadawy-

vita, arc erTi danaSauli ar dato-

vos Caudeneli. es iqneba uzarmazari

masStabis danaSauli, romelic aravi-

Tar SemTxvevaSi ar unda moxdes. min-

da mivmarTo sazogadoebas: ar unda

aSendes xudonhesi, arc erTi gigantu-

ri hesi, es aris antimecnieruli, sru-

li umecrebidan amozrdili gadawyve-

tileba. da rac mTavaria, amis erTa-

derTi impulsi aris mxolod fulis

Sovna. es aris im Zalebis mier wa-

mowyebuli damRupveli proeqtebi,

romlebic ar apireben am qveyanaSi

cxovrebas. romelTa mizania, moasw-

ron, TavianTi xelisuflebaSi yofnis

vada bolomde gamoiyenon, rac ki Se-

iZleba yvelaferi gamowuron am gaube-

durebul qveyanas, fuli iSovon da

mere aqedan wavidnen. me aseTi STabeW-

dileba mrCeba, imitom rom Tu es da-

finansda aq itrialebs didi fuli da

hudon hesidan araviTari sargebloba

ar eqneba saqarTvelos. es eleqtroni

gasayidad aris gamoiznuli da ar da-

ijeros xaiSis mosaxleobam, rom maT

vinme raime kompensacias miscems. yve-

lafris gareSe datoveben, rogorc

datoves ltolvilebi da iseve moeq-

cevian, rogorc ltolvilebs eqcevian

dRes.

me mainteresebs, vin wyvets amas?

sad iyo komisia ekologebis, hidro-

logebis, vin gaauqma maSindeli daskv-

na, romelic iyo saukeTeso mecniere-

bis mier SemuSavebuli xudonhesTan

dakavSirebiT. vin iRebs gadawyvetile-

bas, gilauri?! ra icis gilaurma sa-

erTod am sferosi?! aba vin?! rogor

unda aSendes konkretuli nageboba, es

aris am sferos specialistis saqme,

magram nageboba, romelic warmoadgens

uxeS SeWras bunebis cocxal orga-

nizmSi da ra gavlenas moaxdens masze

da adamianze, es aris humanitaruli

sferos warmomadgenelTa kompetencia.

da es SeiZleba yvelaze ukeT poetma

dainaxos, radgan poezia es aris umok-

lesi gza nawilidan mTelisaken da

swored poeturi sulis adamianma yve-

laze kargad icis, ra aris gasafrTxi-

lebeli da yvelaze faqizi, risi xel-

yofa ar SeiZleba. ers vaJa-fSavela

gyavdes, romelic bunebis mesityvea,

xmeli wiofeli da Svlis nukri dagi-

tovos wianparma, da ese eqceode bu-

nebas?! xom unda airCio, visi memkvid-

re xar - vaJasi Tu barbarosebis?

...yoveli wyalsacavi moqmedebs ara

marto fizikur-geografiul garemoze,

aramed dasaxlebuli punqtebis sani-

tarul mdgomareobaze, landSaftis

cvlilebaze da a.S. anu iwvevs socia-

lur, ekonomiur, biologiur, geoqimi-

ur da sxva saxis cvlilebebs. anu ir-

Rveva ekobalansi. da davukvirdeT um-

Tavres, rac CvenTvis seismurad aqti-

uri regionisaTvis, aris danmRupveli,

rom didi wyalsacavis xelovnurad

Seqmna xSirad iwvevs aRZrul miwisZv-

rebs, ris Sedegadac gamowveuli zara-

li arafriT Camouvardeba Cveulebri-

vi miwisZvrebiT miyenebul zarals.

praqtika aCvenbs, rom giganturi hese-

bi iwvevda adamianur msxverpls da

erovnul ubedurebasac. yovelwliu-

rad aRiniSneba kaSxalTa ngreva da

avariebi. Cvens qveyanaSi wyalsacavebi

imaze metia, rac SeiZleba qveyanam

aitanos. aviRoT enguri da Jinvali,

ra SeiZleba moxdes samomari moqmede-

bebis dros maTi dabombvis SemTxveva-

Si? an miwisZvirs dros, Tuki epicen-

tri iqneba am teritoriebze?! es xom

damokles maxvilia saqarTvelos Tav-

ze. Cven xom mTlianad varT ganwiru-

lebi!

am sakiTxebma gagaverTianes maSin

Cven, mTeli qarTuli sazogadoeba. ax-

la wagikiTxavT erT leqss:

saukune uaxlesi

am engurhesiT da JinvalhesiT

surT, saqarTvelos augon wesi.

Cvens brge cixeebs, tankenar taZrebs

es saukune spobs uaxlesi.

male gveqneba minaZehesi

daSlis varZias, zarzmas da xerTviss,

gminva-ggodeba javaxis, mesxis

aboboqrebul talRebs SeerTvis.

am xudoinhesiT, namoxvanhesiT

svaneTs da leCxums surT,

dascen mexi,

rom samudamod Cvens mTianeTSi

amoukveTon qarTvel kacs fexi.

am engurhesiT da JinvalhesiT

surT, saqarTvelos augon wesi.

Tan gvarwmuneben, icavso Zeglebs

es saukune udiadesi.

am leqsis avtori gaxlavT zviad

gamsaxurdia. Cemi damokidebuleba zvi-

da gamsaxurdiasa da im procesebisad-

mi, yvelam icis, aris sruliad kriti-

kuli. magram zviad gamsaxurdias

hqonda Zlieri mxare, arsebobda sfe-

ro, sadac is iyo Zalian kompetentu-

ri. es iyo misi humanitaruli, eko-

logiuri da Teologiuri ganaTleba.

amitom am sferoSi is ayo Seumcdari.

exla mivmarTav zviadis momxreebs, im

adamianebs ki ar unda dasdevdeT lan-

ZRviT, vinc mas samarTlianad akriti-

kebs, aramed iyoT im maRali ideale-

bis erTguli, romlis erTgulic iyo

zviad gamsaxurdia. es leqsi aris pa-

tara, xatovnad mocemuli programa.

modiT, yvelani viyoT am idealis er-

Tguli. rom ar davuSvaT giganturi

hesebis mSenebloba saqarTveloSi. me

da zviadi erT wreSi viyaviT, erTad

vocnebobdiT ayvavebul saqarTveloze,

romelic iqneboda walkoti, qalaqebi

savse iqneboda parkebiT, ayvavdeboda

soflis meurneoba da a.S. es aris

sfero romelic aerTianebs yvelas da

aq mainc SevrigdeT, ekologiur sfe-

roSi. Cven xom yvelas gviyvars Cveni

buneba, xom ar gvinda vaJa-fSavela mi-

waSi trialebdes. SeiZleba im mTebi-

sa da mdinareebis ganadgureba rome-

lic Cvens bunebas, Cvens suls qmnis?!

es aris Cveni bedisweris, kulturis

xati. aq vibrZoloT erTad.

proeqtis mixedviT xudonhesi es

aris kaSxlebis kaskadi, ris Sedega-

dac xaiSidan mestiamde wyliT unda

daifaros. amiT savneTs vWriT yels.

Semosulia gaurkveveli warmoSobis

indur-inglisuri kompania, romlis

aSenebulic jer araferia cnobili,

romlis warmomadgenelic aris vinme

wereTeli da xaiSis mosaxleobas eub-

neba, rom unda gaasaxlos iqedan. ai

sadamde daveciT Cven. es aris gmiri

sofeli, romelmac amdeni xani Seinar-

Cuna is adgili. da dRes iq xalxi

aris daterorebuli, mosyiduli, ise

rogorc komunistebis dros, Tumca

maSin ar gauvidaT, elementarulad

sazogadoebriv azrs gauwies angariSi.

...ra daaSava am xalxma, rodemde

unda iyos am xudonhesis safrTxis

qveS?! axla iqmneba ekologiuri sab-

Wo, romelic mouwodebs yvela polit

partiasa da arasamTvrobo organiza-

cias, gamoxaton TavianTi pozicia gi-

ganturi hesebis mSeneblobasTan da-

kavSirebT. ekologiur sabWos momza-

debuli aqvs werili msoflio gare-

mosdamcevli organizaciebisadmi, sa-

dac Cven viTxovT daxmarebas ekolo-

giuri genocidis Tavidan asacileb-

lad. werils gavugzavniT samSeneblo

organizacias, romelic Semosulia,

aseve potenciur investorebs. da ra-

meTu es xdeba qarTveli xalxis ne-

bis winaaRmdeg, rogorc ki es xeli-

sufleba wava, yvela es xelSekrule-

ba gauqmdeba. vecdebiT, rom Zalian

farTo rezonansi mivceT mTeli evro-

pis masStabiT. radgan ukan dasaxevi

gza aRar gvrCeba.

...Tavis droze, roca qarTvelma

xalxma xma misca mwvaneTa partis zu-

rab Jvanias meTaurobiT, man xma misca

TavianTi Svilebis momavals, magram

swored am gundis - miSa maWavariani,

xaTuna gogoriSvili, gia baramiZe, gi-

gi wereTeli- xelSi dasamarda saqar-

Tvelos buneba, mwvaneebma imedebi ver

gaumarTles TavianT amomeCevels. nu-

Tu SeiZleba xelfasisTvis gayido

yvela ideali? erTi parki ver unda

gadaarCino?! adre sxvaTa Soris musi-

rebda azri, zurab Jvania imitom mo-

iSores Tavidan, rom apirebdnen gigan-

turi hesebis proeqtis gatanas, rasac

is arcerT SemTxvevaSi ar dauSveb-

dao. faqtia, roca batoni benduqiZis

mier, romelic albaT ubedurad CaTv-

lis Tavs Tu yvelafris gayidva ver

moaswro am qveyanaSi, pirvelad iqna

wamoyenebuli sakiTxi tyeebis gayid-

vis Sesaxeb, rac niSnavda rom teri-

toriebs asxvisebda, zurab Jvaniam es

proeqti gaaCera. mere roca benduqi-

Zem gamoitana mdinareebis gayidvis

proeqti, es noRaidelma gaaCera. da

exla aRisrules yvela survili. mag-

ram xudonhess bevri gadahyva, es aris

raRac niSnuli, romlis iqiT wasvla

ar SeiZleba. amitom amis daSveba

arafriT ar SeiZleba.

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,,saerTo gazeTis~

stumaria politologi

giorgi volski.

_ batono giorgi, Tqven batoni

biZina ivaniSvilis mrCevelTa sabWos

wevri gaxdiT, male axali sazoga-

doebrivi moZraoba ,,qarTuli ocne-

ba~ mravaljer imedgacruebul Cvens

mosaxleobas Tavs gaacnobs, vin Ca-

udgeba mas saTaveSi, warmoadgens Tu

ara igi Tavis programas?

_ moZraoba ,,qarTuli ocnebis~

wardgena xalxis winaSe male moxde-

ba. Sexvedraze daswrebis msurvelTa

raodenoba Zalian didia, magram yve-

las ver daitevs darbazi. amitom

stumrebis Semosvla mosawvevebiT

gadawyda. mgonia, rom sportis sa-

saxle an stadioni imitom ar dag-

viTmes, rom bevri ukmayofilo dar-

Ces. imedi gvaqvs, rom amas yvela

kargad gaigebs, vinc ver moaxerxebs

darbazSi Sesvlas. moZraobas bato-

ni biZina Caudgeba saTaveSi da igi

Tavad gaacnobs sazogadoebas Tavis

programas, Sexedulebebs, miznebsa

da amocanebs. xalxi marTlac imed-

gacruebulia. xangrZlivi politi-

kuri brZolis Semdeg mosaxleobaSi

winaaRmdegobis muxti mniSvnelovnad

daeca, orientirebi gaifanta. vfiq-

rob, kreatiulad moazrovne Zalebis

gaerTianebaa saWiro. didi mniSvne-

loba aqvs imas, Tu gamaerTianebeli

Zala ras SesTavazebs sazogadoebas.

radikalizmi, areulobebi, quCa _

aravis ar unda, rac mTavaria, qvey-

nisaTvis sazianoa, revoluciuri ka-

taklizmebi gaurkvevel momavals

gviqadis. socialuri foni Zalian

mZimea da mosaxleobis did nawils

gaurkvevlobaSi “gadaSveba” urCevnia

aseT “garkveulobaSi” cxovrebas.

magram Tuki Cvens sazogadoebas in-

teleqtualur resurss da CarTu-

lobas SesTavazeb, daanaxveb qveynis

ganviTarebis realur koncefcias,

vfiqrob, evoluciis imedic gaiRvi-

Zebs da warmatebac garduvalia.

_ xelisufleba yvelafers ake-

Tebs im muxtis gasaneitraleblad,

romelic politikaSi axali Zalis

gamoCenam gamoiwvia. gaaqtiurdnen

uwyebebi, saministroebi, datvirTu-

li sagareo grafikiT, gauTavebeli

prezentaciebiT da piariT cdiloben

xalxis yuradRebis miqcevas.

_ xelisuflebis gaaqtiureba ar

mikvirs, magram ar midis profesio-

naluri dava imaTTan, visac gansxva-

vebuli azri aqvs qveynisTvis saWir-

boroto sakiTxebze _ soflis meur-

neobaze, ekonomikaze, mrewvelobaze,

sagareo politikaze Tu konfliqte-

bis mogvarebis da sxva Temebze. amo-

Cemebuli aqvT Zveli ritorika, ru-

seTis safrTxis ganeitralebis Sesa-

xeb, am ritorikiT muxtaven sazoga-

doebas. Aam “safrTxiT” marTldeba

CamorCena demokratiuli institu-

tebis mSeneblobaSi da dauSvebeli

meTodebi oponentebTan brZolaSi.

swored am ritorikiT SevediT im

fazaSi, rodesac saxelmwifom ga-

fanta sagareo da saSinao urTier-

Tobebis mogvarebis yovelgvari re-

sursi.

_ xelisufleba svams kiTxvas:

rogor da ris fasad apirebs moma-

vali politikuri Zala ruseTTan

politikur-eekonomikuri sakiTxebis

mogvarebas? aris ruseTis sakiTxi

is mTavari, rac Cveni xelisuflebis

krizisis gaRrmavebas uwyobs xels

Sin da gareT Dda ramac SeiZleba

samTavrobo cvlilebebi gamoiwvios,

Tundac arCevnebis gziT?

_ ratomRac fiqroben, rom biZi-

na ivaniSvils ruseTTan urTierTo-

bis daregulireba warmoudgenia da-

savleTTan dapirispirebis xarjze.

kategoriulad araswori midgomaa,

ufro swored, spekulaciaa dasav-

leTis winaSe. biZina ivaniSvils

kargad esmis, rom saerTaSoriso Ta-

namegobrobis gaerTianebuli Zalisx-

mevis gareSe progresi SeuZlebelia.

xelisuflebis mxridan mZime stra-

tegiuli Secdomebia daSvebuli da

axla maTi mxridan kompromisebze

laparaki zedmetia. am Temebze samu-

Saod axali xelisufleba unda mo-

vides! roca konfliqtebis mogvare-

bis sakiTxebSi ministris moadgiled

vmuSaobdi, Cven saerTaSoriso done-

ze oficialurad mxardaWerili sam-

Svidobo gegmiT vmuSaobdiT da Se-

degic saxeze iyo. 2006 wlis mais-

ivnisSi Cven praqtikulad davasru-

leT molaparakebebis struqturebis

reforma, procesebSi saerTaSoriso

politikur da finansur monawileo-

bas Seuqcevadi xasiaTi mieca. afxa-

zeTis xelisuflebis erT-erTi ma-

RalCinosnis TbilisSi Camosvlisas

xeli moewera SeTanxmebas, romelic

gzas gvixsnida intensiuri dialo-

gis reJimSi Sesasvlelad. evrokav-

Siridan erToblivi sareabilitacio

proeqtis ganxorcielebaze vawarmo-

ebdiT molaparakebebs. qarTul-osu-

ri konfliqtis srulmasStabiani

mogvarebis process ki briuselis

saerTaSoriso, marTlac upreceden-

to, konferenciam Cauyara safuZve-

li. ra Tqma unda, ruseTs Tavisi in-

teresebi hqonda, magram dasavleTi

ar ixilavda ruseTis regionidan ga-

panRurebis SesaZleblobas. es ugu-

nuri midgoma mxolod saqarTvelos

umaRlesi rgolis ritorikaSi aisa-

xeboda, razedac araerTxel gagvaf-

rTxila gaeros uSiSroebis sabWom.

swored dasavleTi mogviwodebda

davbrunebodiT civilizebuli mo-

laparakebebis gzas. diplomatiuri

gza, romelsac axla Tvals vadev-

nebT aSS-ruseTis urTierTobaTa

“gadatvirTvis” procesSi erTader-

Ti gamosavalia. sxvaTa Soris, Tbi-

lisSi Camosulma natos generalur-

ma mdivanmac kvlav am mimarTulebiT

svlis aucileblobaze miuTiTa xe-

lisuflebas. magram gvianaa. es da-

savleTSic kargad esmiT. mokled,

rom gamovxato Tu ra moxda, marTe-

buli iqneba aseTi Sedareba – saer-

TaSoriso monawileobiT mimdinare

samSvidobo procesi Secvala vide-

oklipma “kokoiTi fandarast” da

uazro berikaobam, romlis winamZRo-

li sanakoevi bolos “fsb”-s agenti

aRmoCnda. afxazeTis problema ki

“mogvarda” videoklipiT “gamarjoba,

afxazeTo Seni!”, romlis monawile-

ni sabrZolo ordenebiTac ki daa-

jildoves. namdvili komediaa aseTi

tragikuli Sedegebi rom ar migve-

Ro. jobs xelisuflebam TviTon

upasuxos, Tu ratom moxda, rom

cxinvalSi amerikelebis egidiT biz-

nescentris gaxsna araefeqturad Ca-

iTvala. amerikelebi xom mzad iyvnen

erToblivi qarTul-osuri biznesp-

roeqtebi daefinansebinaT. ratom

aris ignorirebuli is faqti, rom

2006 wlis 14 ivliss briuselis

konferenciaze 12 mln. dolari ga-

moiyo im sareabilacio proeqtebis-

Tvis, romelic qarTvelma da osma

specialistebma waradgines 5 Tvis

erToblivi muSaobis Semdeg. xeli-

suflebas am Temaze kamaTi ar sia-

movnebs, aravis eZaxian, visac Wkua

ekiTxeba. swored aseTma damokidebu-

lebam gamoiwvia Cveni polarizacia.

omidan sami wlis SemdegKkondoliza

raisis gulaxdili saubris ukan

uamravi masala devs, es Cvens xeli-

suflebasTan urTierTobis mxolod

erT epizods exeba. sruli pasuxis-

mgeblobiT vacxadeb, rom aSS ofi-

cialurma wreebma araerTxel gag-

vafrTxiles, gvTxoves, rom ar wav-

suliyaviT konfrontaciaze ruseT-

Tan, gveubnebodnen, rom gaaCniaT re-

aluri resursebi ruseTTan saerTo

enis mosaZebnad. gagvafrTxiles, rom

parlamentSi ar dagveyenebina sa-

kiTxi dsT samSvidobo Zalebis gay-

vanis Taobaze. me Tavad gaxldiT am

sakiTxebis amerikel diplomatebTan

ganxilvis monawile. xSir SemTxve-

vaSi, patriotuli lozungiT ara-

patriotuli saqme keTdeba. 2008

wlis 17 ivniss, saqarTveloSi Camo-

vida germaniis sagareo saqmeTa mi-

nistri, rogorc megobarTa jgufis

xelmZRvaneli, romelmac safrange-

Tis, britaneTis, amerikis, germaniis

saxeliT SesTavaza Cvens xelisuf-

lebas gadaudeblad daewyo molapa-

rakebebi Zalis gamouyeneblobis ga-

rantiebis Sesaxeb. Ees ra fonze

xdeba iciT? 2008 wlis ianvarSi

saprezidento arCevnebSi saakaSvili

rom iZleva garantias ,,rusTavi 2~-

is eTerSi, wlis bolos soxumSi

viqnebiTo. anu Tu Sen molaparake-

bebis formatidan gamodixar da ga-

rantiebs iZlevi, es cota saSiSi

gancxadebaa. 2006 wlis ivlisSi ga-

eros uSiSroebis sabWos seriozu-

li kritika daimsaxura saqarTve-

los parlamentis usafrTxoebis ko-

mitetis gancxadebam imis Taobaze,

rom kodoris xeoba is strategiu-

lo adgilia, saidanac soxumamde Se-

iZleba 5 wuTSi moxvde. es ganacxa-

debi saomari ritorikaa. xelisuf-

lebam uari Tqva molaparakebebze,

romlis dawyebac ki Seanelebda da-

Zabulobis process. swored am nabi-

jis gadadgma undoda Cvengan ameri-

kis SeerTebul Statebs. SeiZlebo-

da Tu ara konfliqtis acileba? Se-

iZleboda. migvatoves? rogorc saa-

kaSvilma ganacxada omis mereD- mig-

vatoves, ramac aSS-s saxelmwifo

mdivnis ukiduresi ukmayofileba ga-

moiwvia. ruseTma gaakeTa is, rac Ta-

vis erovnuli usafrTxoebis kon-

cefciaSi uweria. Cveni koncefciis

didi nawili daxurulia, nawili

sadRegrZelos ufro hgavs, vidre

koncefcias. saqarTvelos xelisuf-

leba mxolod ritorikaSi, satale-

levizio programebSi da momitinge-

Ta sastiki darbevebiT gamoxatavs

Tavis winaaRmdegobas.

_ ras fiqroben mimdinare pro-

cesebze afxazebi da osebi?

_ urTierTobebi daxurulia,

magram aris araformaluri da ara-

samTavrobo organizaciebis umniSv-

nelo kavSirebi, saidanac met-nakle-

bad sarwmuno informaciis miReba

SeiZleba. afxazebisa da osebis di-

di nawili ruseTs aRiqvams, ro-

gorc arasasurvel mbrZanebels, mag-

ram maTi Svilebis usafrTxoebis

erTaderT garants, xolo saqarTve-

los, rogorc potenciur agresors.

samwuxarod, dRes Cven ar gagvaCnia

aranairi resursi, rom es midgoma

gavabaTiloT. imis mudmivi gancxade-

ba, rom afxazeTis prezidenti iqne-

ba saqarTvelos vice-prezidenti,

araTu sakmarisi ar aris, aramed da-

cinvadac JRers. Sedegi saxezea _

teritoriebi okupirebulia, Jenevis

molaparakebebi uSedegoa.

_ rogor fiqrobT, msoflio

Tanamegobrobis gaRizianebas Cveni

ruseTTan daulagebeli urTierTo-

bebi iwvevs?

_ xelisufleba cdilobs ru-

sul-qarTuli, rusul-amerikuli

da, saerTod, saerTaSoriso urTi-

erTobebi Sav-TeTr ferebSi warmo-

adginos, an mteri an megobari. Aam

dros diplomatiuri urTierTobebi

mravalplaniania. ruseTs arcTu cu-

di urTierTobebi aqvs evropis qvey-

nebTan, amerikasTan ki pragmatul

molaparakebebs awarmoebs. saqarTve-

lo-ruseTis damokidebulebis arse-

buli reJimi gaRizianebas ara, mag-

ram SeSfoTebas namdvilad iwvevs.

mogvarebeli problema saerTaSori-

so usafrTxoebisaTvis realur ga-

mowvevad aRiqmeba da amas arc ma-

laven. saerTaSoriso Tanamegobro-

ba saqarTvelos xelisuflebisagan

iTxovs winadadebebs, xelisuflebis

winadadeba ki erTaderTia _ wixli

CaazileT ruseTs. CvenTan stumrad

Camosuli aSS-s vice prezidenti

jozef baideni moswavle-axalgazr-

dobis sasaxleSi bavSvebs Sexvda,

bavSvebma sTxoves, dagvabrune Cvens

mSobliur kuTxeSio. man upasuxa,

rom dabruneba maSin iqneba SesaZle-

beli, Tu Tqveni saxelmwifo iqneba

im faseulobebis gamziarebeli, ro-

melic dasavlur civilizacias gaaC-

nia. xelisufleba ki sazogadoebas

STabeWdilebas uqmnis, rom proble-

mebis mogvareba SesaZlebelia, Tu

ruseTs kets urtyamen TavSi, am

dros ketic ara gaqvs da arc ru-

seTi giSvers Tavs. ruseTTan urTi-

erTobis mogvarebis aucileblobaze

marto biZina ivaniSvili ar gvela-

parakeba, amaze mTeli msoflio mig-

viTiTebs.

_ ra molodini unda eqnes sa-

zogadoebas ,,qarTuli ocnebisagan?~

_ qarTul opozicias arasodes

hyolia aseTi Zlieri, pragmatuli,

patrioti lideri. biZina ivaniSvil-

ma gamoTqva survili daafuZnos

moZraoba, romelsac ,,qarTuli oc-

neba~ hqvia. moZraobas aqvs farTo

Tematika, realuri resursi; gadawy-

vetileba, rom samoqalaqo sazoga-

doebas mieces saSualeba monawile-

oba miiRos samomavlo gegmebis Se-

muSavebaSi. SesaniSnavi ideaa. uyu-

radRebod ar darCeba samoqalaqo

sazogadoebis arc erTi fena. es ar

niSnavs imas, rom fulis tomaras

Tavi moexsneba da kardakar Camorig-

deba.

_ momaval arCevnebze ras ity-

viT?

_ arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT er-

Ti istoria minda gagiziaroT. Cemi

didi winapari, qarTveli poeti da

pedagogi grigol volski, ilia Wav-

WavaZis megobari da TanamebrZoli,

wera-kiTxvis gamavrcelebelma sa-

zogadoebam TurqeTidan axladSemo-

erTebul aWaraSi miavlina. 1888

wels baTumSi qalaqis Tavis arCev-

nebi iyo. daviT kldiaSvili aRwers

Tavis mogonebebSi Tu rogor emza-

debodnen arCevnebisTvis. saintere-

soa, rom ruseTs Tavisi kandidati

hyavda, baTumSi ki im dros imperi-

is garnizoni idga. qarTvelebis kan-

didatma gaimarjva. sofrom mgalob-

liSvili werda, rom es grigol

volskis da misi dauRalavi gundis

damsaxurebaa. rasakvirvelia, es am-

bavi siamayiT movyevi, magram mTava-

ri sxva ramea: im dros baTumSi

cxovrobdnen somxebi, berZnebi, ru-

sebi, musulmani qarTvelebi. iliam

da grigol volskim yvelas daanaxes

realoba, rom saqarTvelo sxva eris

warmomadgenelTa mSvidad cxovre-

bis garantoria da arCevnebic maTi

daxmarebiT moiges. dRes, 21-e sau-

kuneSi ratomaa SeuZlebeli samarT-

liani arCevnebis Catareba, Tuki es

Cvenma winaprebma, carizmis mmarTve-

lobis qveS myofma saqarTvelom mo-

axerxa me-19 saukunis baTumSi?!

naTia gogitiZe

ruseTTan urTierTobis mogvarebis aucileblobaze marto biZina ivaniSvili ar gvelaparakeba, amaze mTeli msoflio migviTiTebs


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daemata. saakaSvils sxva gza aRar

darCenia da mainc yvelgan da yvelas

ruseTis “urCxulobas” umtkicebs.

komunistebis aSenebuli Senobac,

“msoflio habitatais erT-erT maTa-

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bankirebic svaneTSi yofilan da sa-

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isakiC mejRanuaSvilis STamomavle-

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“faineSnl Taimsis” statiis mi-

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la, romelic jansaRi ekonomikuri

cxovrebis maCveneblebs efuZneba, ma-

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bankis saswrafo wesiT gaxsnac xom

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esec xom viciT? ekonomikaSi “aris

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_ amasac vxvdebiT. modernizaciis

gegma, umuSevrobis saSualod 10%-

ze gasvla yofila. es ki is 10%-ia,

romelic saxelisuflebo struqtu-

rebSia dasaqmebuli da dRes karg

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velo ki umuSevari da mSieria! “mTa-

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vis? inglisuri enis swavlis prog-

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inze Semjdari da misi zemoqmedebis

qveS, ra da rogoric moeCveneba,

Cvenc im ferebSi unda davinaxoT.

Tanac rodesac “am qveyanas” (gulis-

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welSi gamarTva sakuTari ZalebiT.”

miSa isemc Seni da nacionaluri moZ-

raobis ojaxebi da Zalebi vnaxeT

fexze damdgari da welSi gamarTu-

li, rogori fexze damdgar-gamarTu-

lic saqarTveloa Tqvens xelSi?!

niSandoblivi da simptomaturia,

rom, rogorc misTvis gamouval vi-

TarebaSi sCvevia, miSam cxvirze xe-

lis gasmas axlac mouxSira. “yidis

es cxviri”. axla dgas da saqveynod

amtkicebs ramdeni gaukeTa saqarTve-

los, ra “magaria”, raTa dagvanaxos,

rom eg rom ara, “daviRupebodiT”.

adre, uvargisi opoziciis xelSi,

viRacis motyueba, viRacisTvis ki,

“opoziciac aseTive nagavias” prin-

cipi muSaobda. axla ki rodesac bi-

Zina ivaniSvili gamoCnda, Tavs ik-

lavs, rom yvelas “TvalSi gaeCxi-

ros” da Tavisi “saqmeni sagmironi”

Seaxsenos, magram Zalian gviania.

“erovnuli suliskveTeba” rom gamo-

aCinos, axla sul ilia WavWavaZe

akeria pirze. kaxeTSic ki “dasaxl-

da” venaxiTurT da “zavodobac” ga-

daixada. esao da vazi da qarTuli

miwa miyvarso. rodis Seuyvarda ase,

es qarTuli miwa-wyali da vazi? “ka-

gebes jarSi” rom msaxurebda, Tu

“peterson-belqnafis” (petrosian-

belqanianis somxur firmaSi)? Tur-

me “bevr evrokavSiris qveyanazec win

vyofilvarT wasuli. xalxi Sedis

evrokavSirSi imisTvis, rom evrost-

ruqtura aaSenos. Cven ukve roca Se-

valT evrokavSirSi da es aris WeS-

mariteba, romelzec yvela lapara-

kobs, SevalT im poziciebze, qveyana

iqneba ufro ganviTarebuli, vidre

aqvs poloneTs, litvas, latvias da

amas vaxerxebT Cveni ZalebiT, ra

Tqma unda, donorebis da sxvebis

daxmarebiT. evrobazarze gasavlelad

“produqtiulobis ayvavebac” yofi-

la saWiro. soflis meurneobisa da

ekonomikis dabali produqtiuloba

yvela sferoSi “Zalian cudi ambavi”

yofila, magram amave dros, Zalian

kargi ambavic aris Turme. am abdaub-

da naazrevs mxolod darCiaSvili

Tu gaigebs, romelsac “bevri eTni-

kurad qarTveli “politikurad qar-

Tvelad” ar miaCnia. axla xom gavi-

geT, ratom angrevda da anadgurebda

ekonomikas da sofels, 2000 larad

glexebs vazs ratom aCexinebda?

Turme imitom, rom dabalganviTre-

bulidan ufro meti warmatebebis

miRweva SeiZleba. ase yofila, Cven

ki ar gvcodnia. Cveni “dabalganvi-

Tarebuli azrovnebisTvis” aseTi

“didi sibrZneebi” Cauwvdomelia.

Turme yvelaferSi dabali done imi-

tomaa kargi, rom “misi produqtiu-

lobis gazrda SeiZleba Zalian Cqa-

ra da ra cudma procesebmac ar un-

da iyos msoflioSi, (stili dacu-

lia. “Seni saxeli ra gvaraia” –ase-

Ti frazaa) Cven dabali donidan

movdivarT da amitom mainc gavizr-

debiT.”

“miSas Rameuli bodvebi”, Tu

“aTas erTi Ramis zRaprebi” grZel-

deba. arCevnebamde kidev bevri aseTi

sisulelis mosmena mouwevs saqarT-

velos im mosaxleobas, romelic ra-

Rac sikeTis molodinSi, saakaSvilis

televiziebs mainc misCerebia. miSas-

ve sityvebiT, Cven xom is qveyana

vyofilvarT, bankis “romeli Seno-

bis” simbolodac saakaSvilma gvaq-

cia. Cven xom is qveyana varT, sadac

“benduqiZis oynis”, “promeTes qanda-

kebis”, “miSas pampersis”, “nino da

alis”, “velisapetis” Semdeg, “naci-

onaluri moZraobis erTobis” gamom-

xatvel skulpturul jgufsac ve-

lodiT amden xans. ise hitleris

ukuRma mbrunavi “svastikis” msgav-

sad, orive boloSi saWeebiani “ve-

lisipetic” miSas gamouvali gzis _

arc win da arc ukan wasasvlelis

maCvenebeli SeiZleba gaxdes. “nato-

Si” aRaravin eZaxis, ruseTi “cud

qirurgiul manipulaciebs” uqadis,

saqarTvelos aRar unda. “mituaaa”

ki gaxda, magram saeWvoa, evropaSic

moundes vinmes aseTi! amitomac adga

da Tavi rom ar gadagvaviwyos, “am-

den naamagars gvitovebs”. Tavisi

mmarTvelobis srulyofili gamoxa-

tulebis simbolos gareSe rogor

dagvtovebda? adga da qarTveli

xalxis xarjze marTla am “ojaxaSe-

nebulma” kacma da falosebis, naci-

onalebisTvis “bideebTan asocirebu-

li” Sadrevnebis Semdeg, axla mT-

lad “kvercxebis kompozicia” dadga

baTumis “redison blusTan”. jer es

“blu” (cisferi) da blukuni xom

amaTi sayvareli saqmianobaa. mere

“evropuli xelovnebisa da kultu-

ris” codnis didi gamovlinebac. xe-

lovnebaTmcodneebs, fsiqologebis,

fsiqiatrebisa seqsopaTologebisgan

gansxvavebiT _ amaze pasuxi jer ara

aqvT. arqiteqtor koka amirejibs mi-

aCia, rom es, SesaZloa, avtorisgan

aWaris simbolodac iyos aRqmuli

(aWaruli xaWapuris asociaciiT).

madidan gamomdinare Tu mivudgebiT

_ idea ufro miSas unda ekuTvnodes.

an aWarlemba kvercxebTan asocireba

riT daimsaxures? elza fantocis

`pop-artis Sedevrze~ _ kvercxebis

kompoziciaze mogaxsenebT. ivaniSvi-

lis fulis gasavaliT dainterese-

bul adamianebs, ruslanas Camoyvani-

dan moyolebuli, yinulis moedaniT,

milioniani karuseliT, xulioebisa

da “yavlgasuli momRerlebis” Ca-

moyvanaze daxarjul Tanxebze ratom

ar uCndebaT SekiTxva?

bevrma imtvira Tavi, ras niSnav-

da “es kvercxebze dadebuli flos-

ti”, magram pasuxic amaze, rogorc

sxva danarCenze, isev miSam gasca

“yvarlis tbis” gaxsnisas. tbas ilia

WavWavaZis “siyvaruliT”, “ilias

tba” daarqva. mokled, “miSas zRap-

rebs” Tu davujerebT, ilias moRva-

weoba da Semoqmedeba sul “Tavidan

bolomde gadaubulbulebia”. “Tavari

politikuri mecniereba dRemde Cem-

Tvis modis ilia WavWavaZisgano”.

erTaderTi “qvaTa RaRadisis mecnie-

rebas” ver Cawvda es kaci dRemde?!

vertmfreniT imitom ki ar davfri-

nav, rom gzebs varideb Tavs, aramed

iqedan Cveni dapataravebuli qveyana

ufro kargad sCanso. (am dapatarave-

baSic me arafer SuaSi varo?! _ b.a.)

mokled es dagubebuli wyalsacavi

gavanaTeT, TofuriZe kidev gawmends

da “Tu kargad moiqceviT, wyalsac

CagisxamoTo”. es tba imitom ki ar

gavakeTe, Cems karmidamosTan axlos

romaa da velosipediT wreebi rom

vartyao. (isev wamocda) ara, zafxu-

lis sicxeSi erTad unda “viWyumpa-

laoTo”. vai, Sens saqarTvelos, yva-

relSi saWyumpalaod Tu eqneba miSas

kidev saqme? Semdeg wavida Cveuli

agoniuri frazebi: “rom arc erT

epoqaSi, arc erT dampyoblis (isev

wamocda, rom dampyrobelia) arc er-

Ti mTavrobis, Tu damoukidebeli sa-

qarTvelos patara periodebis dros

araferi auSenebia imdeni, rogorc am

bolo xuTi wlis ganmavlobaSi. (a-

qac “enam gasca”. xuTi wlis Semdeg,

oficialurad, aralegitimurad rom

zis _ Tavad aRiara) quTaiselebsac

wamoayvedra, rom baTumis Semdeg uk-

ve quTaisi xdeba `saparlamento de-

daqalaqi”. awi, elodeT quTaTurebo,

boTlebSi sajdomebze mobmuli kal-

mebis damiznebiT moxalise deputa-

tebs maqaur parlamentSi. imazec

isaubra, rom ilias eWvi ar eparebo-

da saqarTvelos damoukideblobaSio.

Tumca miSa Tvlis, rom qarTvelebs

ratomRac RmerTi uwyrebaT da mo-

nobis, vasalis surviliT, “viRacis

erTi adgilis lokva undaT”. etyo-

ba, aSS-sTvis “am erTi adgilis

lokvas” sxvanairi gemo dahkravs. ai,

amis Semdeg iwyeba yvelaze saintere-

so. “gamituebuli miSiko” ukve Tavs

veRar ikavebs da “kvercxebis saidum-

losac” exdeba farda: “SeiZleba Se-

ni qveyana ise ar gafasebdes da ar

ayavxar kvarcxbekze, rogorc Sen da-

imsaxure”. ar mogesmaT. “kvarcxbe-

kio”. miSas “kvercxbeki” undoda eT-

qva, megobrebo. amitomac gamouvida

“kvarcxbeki”, Torem qarTuli enis

arcodna aq arafer SuaSia. “kvarcx-

bekze” sdomebia kacs asvla neronisa

da kaligulasaviT. Tavisi personis

“kvarcxbeks” ase Riad ver daidgam-

da, adga da `kvecxbeki~ _ `naciona-

luri moZraoba da zed dadebuli

flostiT” daidga kacma. macxovris

aRdgomasTan da saaRdgomo kvercxeb-

Tan rom ara gvaqvs saqme, albaT, mix-

vdebodiT. am e.w. skulpturiT Tavi-

si garemocvis realuri saxec gamo-

aCina amiT da `kvecxbekzec” avida. ra

mniSvneloba aqvs axla, `visi flos-

ti” da `Cvari” gerqmeva, aSS-s, ru-

seTis Tu `ceerus pagonebiani co-

lis”? Cven ki Tavs vimtvrevT aq,

àWaruli xaWapuria~ es Tu kidev

rame sxva. `kvercxbekia~, batonebo,

miSas `kvecxbeki~. `nacionalur Kkve-

cxebs~ ki, is gamousadegari `fl-

osti~ adevs, romelsac `naxmari Ci-

nuri flostiviT~ gadaagdebs male

qarTveli xalxi.

baia amaSukeli

`darispanis gasaWiri~ anu miSasa da `nacebis~ kvercxbekiaWaris `redison blus~ win


anekdoti gavrcelda, bokeri-

am hkiTxa saakaSvils: _ inglis-

Si, konferenciaze TargamaZes

(giorgi) da gamyreliZes gaiyo-

leb Tu qardava-TargamaZeso? sa-

akaSvilma upasuxa: _ ara, qarda-

va ar minda, Cems am nacrisfer

pijaks gamyreliZe ufro uxde-

bao.

davinteresdi, es, Cvens pre-

zidentad wodebuli kaci, mudam

raRac konferenciaze dadis, am-

jerad razea saubari-Tqo, yu-

radReba ar gamimaxvilebia Tanm-

xleb pirebze. mgoni, logikuri-

caa, _ saakaSvili TargamaZesTan

erTad gamyreliZes aidevnebda

Tu qardavas, an samives erTad,

ra didi ambavi da gamosadevnebe-

lia, mainc kudad hyavs mobmuli

samive (da ara mxolod isini),

TavTavianTi politikuri Semad-

genlobiT da londonSic Tu ga-

aseirna, ra moxda. mipasuxes,

msoflio demokratebis saerTa-

Soriso kavSiris yrilobazea

saubario, sadac sityviT unda

gamosuliyo Turme saakaSvili.

gavocdi, demokra-tiis mteri miSa ra sa-xis kavSirSi iyo demok-ratebis msoflio yri-lobasTan, ver mivxvdi.Cemi TanamosaubreiqiT gaocda, am Sekre-baze 45 ZiriTadi daasocirebuli wevriamTeli msofliodan,maT Sorisaa `naciona-luri moZraobac~, aricio?

mainc ver davioke interesi,

CaveZie, im ucnauri Sekrebis Tu

yrilobis wevrebi, sakuTar po-

litikur partiebs warmoadgenen

Tu TavianT qveynebs-meTqi. ra vi-

ci me, uyure da sxva ramiT ì-

siamovne,~ raSi gainteresebs

sxvisi ambavi, Cveni gvaqvs sag-

lovio, arada, TviTon sad naxa

es ambavi da romel ricxvSi, ve-

rafriT gaixsena.

vinc eZebs, is poulobso,

marTali yofila, _ vipove da ra

vipove, saakaSvilis gverdze gu-

gulebiviT mimsxdari giorgi

TargamaZe da daviT gamyreliZe.

ise xmaSewyobilad ukravdnen

taSs es Cveni `demokrati ymaw-

vilebi,~ drouli iqneboda saa-

kaSvils erTi kargi davluri

Camoevlo SeZaxiliT `Tqven ge-

nacvaleT biWebooo!~

rogorc Cans, gitara da Cqa-

ri taSi demokratTa Sekrebis

(Tu yrilobis) formatSi ar

jdeboda, anda, qarTuli demok-

ratiisgan gansxvavebiT, araseri-

ozulad uyureben amgvar serio-

zul sakiTxebs. genacvaT, saakaS-

vili rom demokratiaze saubriT

pirs aiqafebda, saqarTvelos de-

mokratiulobis xarisxiT aRfr-

Tovanebul Sekrebis yvela

wevrs, sakuTari qveynis Tu to-

mobrivi gaerTianebis TiTo sa-

valdebulo sakulto cekva ki

unda Seesrulebina...

erTi ram verafriT gavige

verc me da verc bevrma sxvam, es

oxeri qarTuli demokratia qar-

TvelebisTvis uxilavi formiT

ratom viTardeba, mxolod ra-

Rac ucxouri organizaciebi ra-

tom xedaven mas?

javriSvilis klinikas ras

verCi, magram ki unda daatydes

Tavs saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

TiTqmis mTeli da im `Tvalxi-

luli~ ucxoelebis sruli Se-

madgenloba, laTinurad oku-

listad da berZnulad ofTal-

mologebad wodebul Tvalis

eqimebs, an Cven agvadRlizon

Tvalebidan libri, an ucxoe-

lebs. msoflio `demokratebis~

samkurnalod otiatrebic gvWi-

rdeba da bare yvela ganxris

eqimi, magram Cemi Tanamosaubris

Tqmisa ar iyos, jer Cveni Tavi

gvaqvs samkurnaloc da saglo-

vic. aba, opozicionerebad wode-

buli `ymawvilkacebi~ rom ukve

ase aSkarad miexutebian meCeCze

Segdebul Zirgamompali xomal-

dis Casvril kapitans, saglovi

ar aris? ras niSnavs es, erTgu-

lebas umtkicebs, vTqvaT, samg-

zis (abaSiZe, patarkaciSvili,

saqarTvelos mosaxleoba) Ra-

latSSi eWvmitanili giorgi

TargamaZe erTgulebas am SemTx-

vevaSi saakaSvils, saqarTvelos

mravalgzis RalatSi eWvmita-

nil pirs?

gamyreliZe ra, mudam baxma-

ros niaviviT uberavs, xan aqedan

miudgeba sanukvar ocnebas, rome-

lic cxadia, qarTuli ocneba ar

aris, xan iqidan. aba, biWo?! di-

lidan dilamde mas ar sZinavs

da ara sruliad saqarTvelos

imis fiqrSi, rodis ixilavs gam-

yreliZes saqarTvelos prezi-

dentad Tu ara, saqarTvelos

parlamentis Tavmjdomared ma-

inc!...

vuyurebdi msofl-io demokratebis Sek-rebis Canawers da vf-iqrobdi, netav, rodin-deli Canaweria, saqar-Tvelos prezidenti ed-uard SevardnaZe romiyo da es subieqtebi,erTi, `mewarme da eqi-mi~, meore _ TviT Se-vardnaZis, mesame ki as-lan abaSiZis karis bi-

Wi-Tqo? _ qarTveli`delegatebis~ samossdavakvirdi da ara, ra-Rac axalmodurebi em-osaT.

kargi, batono, cota xnis

win wasulan, magram vfiqrobdi,

vfiqrobdi da verafriT movifiq-

re raime Wkvianuri, iseTi, am sa-

mi `demokratis~ londonur de-

mokratiul gulavs rom axsnida.

ara, ki, movifiqre, magaliTad,

is gamaxsenda, raRac fulze rom

iyo saubari, tigran guloianis

sazomiT `milion sCemtoze~, mag-

ram is milioni da kidev `sCem-

to~ sxvebzec iyo naTqvami da

isinic rom ar aidevna saakaS-

vilma, sxva mizezsac davuwye

Zebna.

eha, biZina ivaniSvi-lis Ria werili gamax-senda, ase vTqvaT, qve-Tavi `visTan ver viTa-namSromleb?~ da Riad-ve gacemuli pasuxi _fsevdoopoziciur pa-rtiebTan, romlebicxelisuflebasTan fa-rul garigebasa da kav-SirSi arian, romelTamxrebzec dgas saakaS-vili, rameTu es Zalebiuqmnian saakaSvilisreJims demokratiul-obis fons danarCenimsoflios winaSeo.

ui! _ msoflio demokratebis

saerTaSoriso Sekrebaze ori

opoziciuri partiis lideri un-

da waelala, maT gverdiT unda

warmdgariyo saakaSvili, aba, ta-

Siskvrisgan xelebgadayvlefili

`vaJkacebis~ nacvlad misi reJi-

mis mier Svilebdaxocil mamebs

xom ar waiyvanda gakoWilebs da

piramokerilebs...

isev zemoT naxsenebi anek-

dots unda mivubrunde, baCuki

qardavas ambavi damrCa bundova-

ni, ratom moxvda anekdotSi. ui!

ivaniSvilma xom Tqva, ar viTa-

namSromleb `qristian-demokra-

tebTan~, àxal memarjveneebTan~,

èdp-sTan~ da a. S da daamata,

xelisuflebis dakveTas asru-

leben: daviT gamyreliZe, baCuki

qardava da a.S xolo giorgi

TargamaZis politikuri saqmia-

noba uamrav saeWvo moments Sei-

cavs, dawyebuli aslan abaSiZes-

Tan misi TanamSromlobiT, gagr-

Zelebuli badri patarkaciSvi-

lis mimarT mis mier Cadenili

RalatiT da damTavrebuli imiT,

rom Ralatis safasurad xeli-

suflebam TargamaZes partia Se-

uqmna, daufinansa da gayalbebis

gziT parlamentSi Seiyvanao...

baCuki qardavas ambavi, mego-

na, gavarkvie, tkbilad dameZine-

ba amaRam-meTqi, vifiqre, magram

ver movisvene, vwrialebdi mainc.

Turme ratom, mere gamoirkva _

saakaSvilisTvis rCevas amzadeb-

da, maqsimalurad daicavi dis-

tancia ruseTTan da svla gaag-

rZele dasavleTiskeno. es ra

rCeva iyo, rame Seatyo netav ì-

seTi~, Tu Suri iZia `buTxuzam~

gamyreliZe rom arCia saakaSvil-

ma salondonod da sakbilo gad-

mogvigdo?

erTi ram kidev Tqva fsevdo-

opoziciur partiebTan dakavSi-

rebiT batonma ivaniSvilma, Ca-

moTvlil adamianebTan (CamonaT-

vals Tqven gadaxedeT mkiTxve-

lo) ver viTanamSromleb, magram

ar gamovricxav, am `fsevdoebis~

partiebis zogierT wevrTan ur-

TierTobas, Tu isini sakuTari

warsulis revizias SeZlebeno.

hoo, vfiqrob, anekdotis perso-

naJebis saqme wasulia, erTmane-

Tis miyolebiT, sul bRuja-bRu-

jad gaexikebian partiebidan re-

viziagavlili wevrebi...

barem axla erTic vTqvaT, vi-

kiTxoT da movaTavoT, _ batoni

ivaniSvilis politikur aspa-

rezze gamoCenisTanave calkeu-

li, politikosebad wodebuli

pirebi rom ayvirdnen, ivaniSvi-

li xelisuflebas afinansebdao,

es TviT damfinansebelma sakuTa-

ri piriT araerTxel gaimeora

da gana ar icoda vis afinanseb-

da TviT xelisufleba misi ga-

Rebuli fuliT? _ icoda. hoo-

da, gamodis, axlac icis bevri

ram da ar ambobs bolomde...

jer...

nisliani albionis ambavi

amowurulad CavTvale da vifiq-

re, axla mainc dameZineba tkbi-

lad-meTqi, magram kaci bWobda,

RmerTi icinodao àxali ZaliT

axali saqarTvelosTvis!~ _ à-

xali memarjveneebi~, _ Camesma

yurSi.

vin xarT is axali Za-la, romel axal saqar-Tveloze melaparake-biT, an Zvelad raRa Za-la gqondaT da saer-Tod, ra uZlureba gWi-rT aseTi, rom aTi we-lia sxvisi jibis wur-belad xarT qceuli!

mTeli am politJri-amulis fonze Targama-Ze (giorgi) saeWvoddums. netav, ras undaniSnavdes es, Tavisebu-ri naxtomisaTvis xomar emzadeba patara, ma-gram mainc didi eSmaku-na?

àxali ZaliT axali saqarT-

velosTvis!~ _ mainc trialebs

arafrismTqmeli sareklamo rgo-

li saqarTvelos prezidentis

nacrifer pijakTan misadagebuli

nacriferi lideris fotoebiT.

am kacs saiubileo yriloba hqo-

nia, Tan ra nomriT, didi 5-ianiT

gasamarTi da prezidents mis

`Sopingebze~ uzrunia, Cven ki,

sul sxva ram gvegona. aba?! am

kacs, Tavisi partiis 10 wlis

muSaoba hqonia Sesafasebeli da

10 wlis win rom pijaki ecva,

imiT xom ar iyelyelavebda amde-

ni xalxis winaSe.

rogorc Sevatye, kargad ver

uvaWria daviTs, agvistos omis

acileba SeiZleboda, magram saa-

kaSvilis xelisuflebis ugunu-

ri politikiT Tavi vtuceT pir-

dapir rusul xafangSio., _ da-

axeTqa. mere, _ es ki aseao, mag-

ram mTlad asec ar ariso, _ er-

Ti-ori `paezdkisTvis~ is toti

ar moWra, romelzec Ramuris

Sesaferisad hkidia da ah, imas

ver gaviziareb, rom omi amaT da-

iwyeso. (ver moiSora aqeT-iqioT

qanaobis mavne Cveva am kacma) me-

re, iseTebi moayola, megona uk-

ve prezidenti iyo da samoqmedo

gegmas kiTxulobda. bolos, da-

ginebismagvari myari piroba da-

do, Tu Cems partias am bolo

cdaze ver davabruneb parlamen-

tSi, gadavdgebi partiis Tavmj-

domareobidano.

isev Zveleburad, isev qvemZ-

romulad! _ televizorsRa miva-

Zaxe da ZilSi bokeria mezmana,

erTgvarad Sefiqrianebuli Can-

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konferencia, romelic ivaniSvilma

Tavis sasaxleSi gamarTa. Cemi ko-

legebis qcevasa da televiziebis

unamusobaze arafers vambob, saqvey-

nodaa cnobili. ufro saintereso

albaT, isaa, ra xdeboda havlabar-

sa Sina. rogorc boroti xmebi am-

boben, batonma prezidentma, romel-

sac trankvilizatorebmac veRar

uSveles, simwrisagan sakuTar de-

das xeli mostexa, garemocvas ga-

dautrixina pirdapiri da iribi ga-

gebiT, ramdenime halstuxi gaReWa

da dRes Tu ukangasakravi xalaTi

ar acvia, albaT, kokainis damsaxu-

rebaa. ar vici, maSindeli boRmis

Sedegia sofo niJaraZe kargad naJe-

Ji rom wevs TurqeTis klinikaSi

da vera qobalia kanadaSi gasaqce-

vad emzadeba, Tu kidev sxva codve-

bis Semswrenic gaxldnen; yovel

SemTxvevaSi, batoni mixeilisagan

aliyuri nacebs bevrjer aqvT nage-

mi. kargad gvaxsovs tvinSeryeuli

banZelaZe, fexmotexili baramiZe,

maSinac saguldagulod nagvemi qo-

balia. ufro Zvel ambebs aRar ga-

vixseneb, maSin socialuri qselebi

ase farTomastabiani ar iyo da

xalxi Wors ZiriTadad, verbalu-

rad uziarebda erTmaneTs, rogorc

aseve boroti enebi sisinebdnen,

premieric miSas mier nasrolma mZi-

me saferflem Seiwirao. hoda, aba,

ukve xmarebaSi Semdgari ministri

an momRerali ra saxsenebelia.

ivaniSvilis preskonferenciam

ki Turme mTlad SeSala sacodavi.

magram xom gagigiaT, dro mkurna-

liao da miSas pirvelma eiforiam

gaura, amasTan, xan TviTon gafrin-

gaafrina, xan stumrianobac daemTx-

va da cota Cawynarda.

meore preskonferenciam, rome-

lic regionuli mediisaTvis gai-

marTa, gacilebiT mSvidad Caiara.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, mikrofonisTvis

Tav-piri aravis daumtvrevia da

arc pingvin-beRurebs daukavebiaT

esoden Zvirfasi saeTero dro. da

rac mTavaria, im beRurasaviT ar

gaufrenia Tavad prezidents.

ramdenadac havlabridan ustari

movida, miSa „sofleli“ Jurnalis-

tebisaTvis gamarTul Sexvedras

SedarebiT mSvidad Sexvda. samagie-

rod, is rac realur samyaroSi ver

amoanTxies nacebma gadatexili ki-

durebis saxiT, virtualSi prezi-

dentis Sadrevansac ajobes. soci-

alur qselebs amerikuli peplebi-

viT Seesivnen gaurkveveli profi-

lis eqaunTebi da wamovida, magram

ra wamovida, braldebebis „niaRva-

ri“ - ivaniSvili - ruseTis agenti,

gamyidveli, lebedis damfinansebe-

li da isev Tavidan... meti verafe-

ri Tqves, cota axlos mainc rom

yofiliyo simarTlesTan. xolo am

sam braldebas maSinve uqarwyleb-

dnen sapirispiro azris mqone iuze-

rebi damajerebeli argumentebiT.

mixvdnen ra, rom maTi komentarebi

xalxs ukve sasacilodac aRara

hyofnida, Tanac vaSaZe-benduqiZis

saxelebmac bevrjer gaiJRera, mere

ukve uwmawur ginebaze gadavidnen,

rogorc Tavad biZina ivaniSvilis,

ise misi ojaxis wevrebis mimarT.

gegoneba, rom Seagineben amiT an sa-

xels gautexen an Tavs, magram enas

ifxandnen. an sxva ra unda gaake-

Ton, logika da ganaTleba xels ar

uwyobT, rom seriozuli kontrar-

gumentebi Seagebon, namusi kidev -

rom gaCumdnen. Tanac davaleba ze-

modan modioda da isev enis fxana

sjobda, miSasgan gverdebis aqavebas.

rogorc Semdeg erT-erT forumze

amovikiTxe „ bilwsityvobiT mosa-

ubre, saerTodac da miT ufro sa-

jaro sivrceSi, Tavis umweobas

adasturebs. qarTul tradiciuli

zneoba-eTikisagan gandgoma cidamt-

kavlobis (sulxan-saba) utyuari

niSania!“

Tavidan marTla gavkvirdi, ne-

tav, amdeni momxre kidev Tu dar-

Ca saakaSvils am qveyanaSi-Tqo. mag-

ram, rogorc mere gairkva, Turme

„ivaniSvilis meore preskonferen-

cias xelisufleba gacilebiT `mom-

zadebuli~ Sexvda. 15.00 saaTidan

17.00-saaTamde socialur qsel fa-cebook-Si preskonferenciis pirda-piri translirebisas biZina ivaniS-

vilis oficialur gverdze (BidzinaIvanishvili Official), ganxorcielda

internet Seteva. SetevaSi monawi-

lobda 32 „saakaSvilis kloni“ da

prototipis msgavsad argumentire-

buli reaqciis nacvlad iyenebda

aranormatiul leqsikas. biZina iva-

niSvilis preskonferencias saakaS-

vilis klonebma saqarTvelos dRe-

vandeli prezidentisTvis damaxasi-

aTebeli leqsikiT upasuxes.

Bidzina Ivanishvili Official gverdis

komentarebis ganyofileba gaivso

lanZRva-ginebiT da uwmawuri gamo-

naTqvamebiT rogorc Tavad biZina

ivaniSvilis, ise misi ojxis wevre-

bis misamarTiT. xelisuflebis

propagandistuli devizi-`dasaqmdi

da daasaqme~! am SemTxvevaSi gan-

xorcielebulad SeiZleba CaiTva-

los _ riTic dasaqmda saakaSvili,

imiTve daasaqma Tavisi klonebi.

gvinda imedi gavucruoT, rogorc

saakaSvilis kiberklonebs, aseve

Tavad prezidents. Tqvenma erTob-

livma ginebanarevma leqsikam daa-

dastura Tqveni ususuroba. gineba,

garda imisa rom avlens adamianis

amoralobas, aseve mianiSnebs mis

sisusteze argumentebSi.“

erT-erTma momxmarebelma ar da-

izara da gaSifra es kiberklonebi,

romlebic ase styvakazmuloben iva-

niSvilis kedelze. rogorc zemoT

aRvniSneT, isini gaWrili vaSlebi-

viT gvanan erTmaneTs, radgan erTi

adamianis uniWo fantaziis nayofni

arian:

„yvelam SeamCnia albaT, biZina

ivaniSvilis feisbuqis oficialur

saitze momravlebuli trolebi,

hoda, am TemaSi movaxdine trole-

bis identificireba (lustracia)

usaqmurobis xarjze

maS ase:

troli #1.

Nika Mumladzehttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100003160512214ar yavs arcerTi megobari. pro-

fili axalia, postavs, ZiriTadad,

biZinas ivaniSvilis ofiacialur

gverdze.

suraTi ar aris.

ekuTvnis vinme manfreds germa-

niidan, kerZod:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mo-bilhomme/285907111/

troli #2.

Nikoloz Maisuradzehttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...4393&sk=friendsprofili axalia, erTaderTi

suraTiT da isic misi ar aris. pos-

tavs ZiriTadad, ivaniSvilis ofi-

acialur gverdze. iyenebs uwmawur

leqsikas. hyavs erTaderTi megobari

vinme Guga kakulia, kakuliac SemCne-

ulia trolingSi(dawvrilebiTi in-

formacia qvemoT).

troli #3

Guga Kakuliahttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...8864977&sk=walltroli #4.

Archi Tecthttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...2583245&sk=wallaqtiurobs mxolod ivaniSvi-

lis gverdze, ar yavs megobrebi,

profili axali daregistirirebu-

li. profilis suraTs Tavisad asa-

Rebs sinadvileSi ki ekuTvnis vinme

Gabriela Amorim.

aRebulia flirkidan:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gin-gergirl/16...in/photostream/

troli #5.

Bacho Maisuradzehttp://www.facebook.com/me-

dia/set/?set=a.1...38974504&type=1aqtiurobs mxolod ivaniSvi-

lis gverdze, profili axali da-

registirirebulia, megobrebSi

hyavs sxva trolingSi SemCneuli

uzerebic. mag. troli #1. NikaMumladze.

profilis suraTs Tavisad asa-

Rebs sinadvileSi ki ekuTvnis vinme

vaxo cincaZes:

http://www.face.ge/users/vaxo538troli #6.

Vaxtang Robaqidzehttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...6737764&sk=wallaqtiurobs, ZiriTadad, ivaniS-

vilis gverdze (an sxva anti-biZi-

nur gverdebze), profili axali

daregistirirebulia (Tu ar vcde-

bi, ramdenime saaTis).

ar hyavs megobrebi da ar udevs

sakuTari foto.

troli #7.

Miriani Santeladzeaqtiurobs mxolod ivaniSvi-

lis gverdze(iyenebs uwmawur leq-

sikas) profili axali daregisti-

rirebulia.

ar iyenebs sakuTar foto-su-

raTs. profili rom realurad

warmoeCina, erT dReSi daumegobr-

da 21 “random” adamians:

Miriani damegobrda Keti Oniani-Tan da 3 sxva adamianTan.

bolo aqtivoba

Miriani damegobrda Tekle Kala-ndadze-Tan da 8 sxva adamiansTan.

Miriani damegobrda Gvanca Tski-tishvili-Tan da 7 sxva adamianTan.

Miriani -m(a) Secvala profilis

suraTi.”

troli #8.

Kusuna Kusunevnahttp://www.facebook.com/profi-


lis gverdze, profili axali da-

registirirebulia.

hyavs 56 megobari, yvela maTga-

ni damatebulia or sam dReSi.

profilis suraTs Tavisad asa-

Rebs. sinadvileSi ki ekuTvnis vin-

me Gabriela Amoris. (iseve rogorc

troli #4.)

aRebulia flirkidan:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gin-gergirl/14...in/photostream/

troli #9.

Giorgi Jiqidzehttp://www.facebook.com/profi-


lis gverdze, profili axalia

Tumca jer kidev oqtomberSi dare-

gistrirda. ar iyenebs sakuTar su-

raTs. yavs 126 megobari, ZiriTadad

kerZo firmebi, araoficialuri

gverdebi da random uzerebi.

troli #10.

Ucha Gociridzehttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100003133551985aqtiurobs mxolod ivaniSvi-

lis gverdze, profili axalia. iye-

nebs vinme nika ergemliZis suraTs:

http://www.facebook.com/profi-le.php?id=100002639165085

arsebobs aseve erTi saintereso

garemoeba, yvela troli BERA-s

usmens.

nu, detalurad aRar Camovwer

da qvemoT kidev mogwvdiT arasrul

sias savaraudo trolebisa.(savara-

udo imitom, rom ar gadamimowmebia

ise kargad, rogorc pirveli 10)

http://www.facebook.com/profi-le.php?id=100...5551809&sk=wall

http://www.facebook.com/profi-le.php?id=100...8083984&sk=wall

http://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...8556348&sk=wallhttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100003139791572http://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100...8268190&sk=wallhttp://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100003140994849http://www.facebook.com/profi-

le.php?id=100003162137523 da a.S.

P.S. amaT imedzea nac, moZrao-

ba?! normalurad mainc SeeniRbaT“.

mere mogvianebiT isic amovi-

kiTxe, rom Tavad baCo axalaia

xelmZRvanelobs am kiberoperacias

da saerTod, ivaniSvilis winaaRm-

deg warmoebul kampanias da imdena-

daa dakavebuli, rom stumrebis mi-

saRebadac ar scalia. magram, ro-

gorc yvela sxva, esec warumateb-

lad ganaxorciela Cvenma xelisuf-

lebam. maT sityviT ki ara, iaraRiT

da muStiT SeuZliaT mxolod mo-

winaaRmdegis damarcxeba. polemika-

Si ki muSti ar Wris. xolo is

uniWo 32 momxmarebeli, romelic

sruliad SesaZlebelia sul sami

kaci yofiliyo qartexilis mere

damdgar aminds ver cvlis. kargad

gavixsenoT, Cven TviTon ramdenjer

gvaqvs gaxsnili erTi da igive

qselSi gverdi, Tundac imitom rom

saCuqrebi gavugzavnoT fermaSi sa-

kuTar Tavs da bevri mezobeli

gvyavdes. albaT sami cali „mozgi“

ugulavas awyobil kompiuterebTan,

Tavs sulTamxuTaviviT dastria-

lebda baCo-grozni da sakuTar men-

talitets aSearebda. Tumca sul

tyuilad!

ivaniSvilis oficialur gverdze

rom CauvardaT kovzi nacarSi, axla

„eSmakoba“ ixmares da Tavad Seqmnes

gverdebi biZina ivaniSvilis saxelze,

sadac aTasgvar sibinZures da Tavi-

anT apologetebs uyrian Tavs, Tum-

ca es erTmaneTisgan, mgoni, arc gan-

sxvavdeba. saakaSvilis nasufraliT

maZRrebs, iumoric prezidentisgan

usesxebiaT da qirqiliT iqarwyleben

politikur agonias. Tumca amas

iumors mTald ver davarqmevT. Teme-

bi mravalferovani namdvilad araa,

aqac ruseTumebasa da uangarod gawe-

ul qvelmoqmedebaze hyvedrian iva-

niSvils. magram gana ramdenjer Se-

atrialeb erTsa da imaves, amitom

isev bilwistyvaobas iSvelieben da

Tavad batoni biZinas garda opozici-

urad ganwyobil sazogadoebasac ix-

senieben sxvadasxva brunvaSi. Cems

mkiTxvels pativs vcem da maT leq-

sikur marags aq ar gamovamzeureb,

Torem naxavdiT ra margalitebi

scvivaT sainformacio Rrudan. kidev

kargi, prezidentma kompiuteris

kursebi mainc gaatara ufasod am

xalxs, Torem nacmo rom kudiT qvas

isvris Tavis prezidentianad, mere

ra unda akeTon, viRas endomeba maTi

daunaoWebeli tvini da wabilwuli

leqsika. ginebaze Tu midga saqme, Ce-

mi mezobeli surena sam enaze uSec-

domod aSenebs sarTulebs.

da bolos radgan dRevandeli

Cemi werili socialur qselebSi

warmoebul oms Seexeboda, iqve

amokiTxuli sityvebiT minda davas-

rulo: “rac ufro axlovdeba 25

noemberi, miT ufro mwvave da aqti-

uri iqneba Tqveni Semoteva yvela-

nairi formiT, magram araferi gamo-

givaT. saqarTvelos mosaxleoba ga-

naxlebis molodinSia, warmodgenac

ki ar gaqvT, ra mxardaWera aqvs bi-

Zinas mosaxleobisgan. ̀ qarTuli oc-

neba” ganxorcielebadi ocnebaaa,

romelmac frTebi ukve gaSala, mas

veravin da veraferi SeaCerebs.“

nodar mamisaSvili

saakaSvilis 32 kloni da kiberSeteva biZina ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg


`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria

msaxiobi soso jaWvliani.

_ batono soso, xudonhesis

mSenebloba svaneTs did safr-

Txes uqmnis, ra xdeba, ratom ar

aqvs am ambavs gamoxmaureba sva-

nebisgan, qarTveli sazogadoe-

bisgan? ra undaT, svaneTis da-

Rupva aqvT gadawyvetili?

soso jaWvliani: _ kar-gad vxvdebi, ratomac undaT xu-

donhesis mSenebloba. axla wia-

Riseuli sim-

didre ainte-

resebT. xe-

tye xom ga-

m o z i d e s ,

magram iq

oqroc aris,

volframic,

dariSxanic,

a r a -

da, iciT, dariSxani oqroze Zvi-

ria. es iseTi sakiTxia, razec

bolos da bolos xalxma xma

unda amoiRos.

axla naxeT, ra veragulad

aris Temebi Semogdebuli. sagan-

Zurze gadaitanes viTom xalxis

yuradReba. dRes Sevxvdi sva-

nebs, SevikribeT. vuTxari: sagan-

Zuri kargia, magram gaixseneT,

ra moxda girgvlianebTan, afra-

siZeebTan, calanebTan, nora kvi-

ciani cixeSi zis, bolos da bo-

los, Cven Tu gavwydebiT, es sa-

ganZuri sxvas darCeba.

me erTi Cveulebrivi adamia-

ni var, am qveynis Svili, magram

roca damiWires da simarTlis

Tqmis gamo viyavi dapatimrebu-

li, vSimSilobdi, gamosuliyo

vinme, eTqva, rom ase da ase xde-

ba. es ubralo saqme ar gaakeTe

da erovnul saganZurs daicav?

oriode wlis win organiza-

cia `Sumerma~ aqcia moawyo eko-

nomikis saministrosTan, Camovi-

da xalxi zemo da qvemo svane-

Tidan, aqciis mere miTxres _

modi, soso, `kavkasiaze~ mivi-

deT. wamodiT aTamde kaci, vinc

televiziaSi ilaparakebT da wa-

videT-meTqi. davureke aqubardi-

as. mpasuxobs: soso, dRes ara.

maSin xval-meTqi, veubnebi, ara

xvalac ver moxerxdeba, maSin

Cems gareSe movlen-meTqi, vaime,

arao, _ ikivla aqum. davanebe

Tavi raRacis gamo SeSinebul

aqubardias da CemTvis vfiqrob:

axla rom gamovide da aqubardi-

aze vTqva, rasac vfiqrob, ity-

vian: ra Seawuxa guli jaWvli-

anma, aravin ar moswons?!

davamSvide svanebi, gavuSvi

ukan. gavida, mgoni, erTi weli

da iq marTlmadidebeli biWebi

daapatimres. ar vlaparakob, es

iyo marTali Tu is. faqts aR-

vniSnav, xom xvdebiT, ras vam-

bob? magram, ra aris, iciT?

tyis sakiTxze aqubardia yvelas

alaparakebda, svanebis garda.

svanebi pirdapiri xalxia, jer

amaTi ganeitraleba iyo saWiro,

sxvas SedarebiT iolad moevle-

boda.

eWviani ar var, batono, jaW-

vliani var, magram bevr rameSi

mepareba eWvi.

_ eWviani rom iyoT, raSi

SegeparebodaT eWvi?

_ ai, magaliTad, xalxo, ga-

moCnda es RvTisnieri kaci, mar-

to samebis aSeneba eyofa mis

jiSs da modgmas, aTasobiT ga-

Wirvebuls da avad-

myofs daexmara,

magram es kaci

rom gamoCn-

d a ,

`naZiral-trestidan~ wamovida

aseTi niaRvari: ra unda poli-

tikaSi, Cven magaze sanTlebs

vanTebdiT, es kidev politikaSi

modis. gagiJdebi kaci. Tan ise-

Ti adamianebi amboben amas, 5000

da 6000 rom Rebulobdnen iva-

niSvilisgan. Tu asea da, rusu-

li warmoSobis fulad miaCniaT

es Tanxa, gamovidnen da Tqvan

vaJkacurad: veRar davabrunebT,

magram awi aRar gvinda, batono,

ivaniSvilis fulio.

mokled, Semovida es adamia-

ni da daiwyo saqarTveloSi sx-

vanairi guguni, raRac araCveu-

lebrivi. ra gaakeTa xelisuf-

lebam? moqalaqeoba mouxsna, me-

re banki dauyaCaRa...

aravis egonos, vinmes dave-

mono. amiran jaWvlianis Svili

var, yvelaze didi avtoriteti

is iyo da aris CemTvis, amitom

vambob, roca Tqva, rom yvelas

SevekiTxebi fulis warmomavlo-

baze, yvelafers davarqvaT Tavi-

si saxelio. gamixarda, gesmiT,

gamixarda.

axla gamoacxada saakaSvilma

_ ivaniSvils erT adgils ulo-

kaveno.

me veubnebi saakaSvils: ba-

tono prezidento, eseni neba-

yoflobiT ulokaven, zogs ame-

rika ZaliT alokinebs, romeli

jobs? ho, magram Tu biZina iva-

niSvils Cveni moTxovniT moqa-

laqeobas ver davubrunebT, am

logikiT ranairad virCevT pre-

zidents? Cven aravin arafers

gvekiTxeba da am moqalaqeebma

unda ivaJkacon da moagebinon

ivaniSvils arCevnebSi?

fexebze vkidivarT am mTav-

robas. kacs, romelsac 18 elCi

eaxla saxlSi, arafrad Caagdes

da Cven gagviwevs vinme anga-

riSs?!

_ arsebobs argumentebi,

romlebiTac, Turme, biZina iva-

niSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis Ca-

morTmeva kanonieri yofila.

_ davuSvaT, aseTi rame: Se-

momxvda nacnobi, Semxeda da us-

ityvod gaiara. Tu vkiTxav, ra-

tom ar momesalme-meTqi, rom mi-

pasuxos _ iuridiulad maqvs

ufleba ar mogesalmoo, ra vu-

Txra aseT kacs?

kanoni, SeiZleba, asec ambo-

bs, magram iuridiul kanons ada-

miani yvelafers ver miusadageb,

arsebobs moraluri kanonebi...

xom xedavT, ra situaciaa?!

ganZio, ganZi ki ara, sakuTari

Tavi ver dagvicavs da aRar vi-

ciT, xval ra mogvelis.

kanons vemorCilebiT? kanons

ki ara, saakaSvils vemorCile-

biT. Cveni mdgomareoba iciT,

ras hgavs? _ kacs rom aupati-

ureben da muxlebTan xmal-xan-

jali rom uJRarunebs. es ra

ariso? _ rom SekiTxnen, pasu-

xobs: es imitom mWirdeba, Seu-

racxyofa rom aravin momayeno-

so.

am xelisuflebas roca moep-

rianeba, maSin axsendeba kanoni.

mainteresebs, romeli kanoniT

imoqmedes `qarTu-bankis~ inkasa-

ciis manqana rom daayaCaRes?

es xelisufleba aris dampy-

robeli, xolo aseT situaciaSi

kanoni aris xalxi. aTasjer

vTqvi da kidev gavimeoreb _ me

xom SemiZlia movefaro Tvals

da Cemi Tavi davitiro?! Tu

sxva arafris gakeTeba ar gvin-

da, gza ar gadavketoT, foToli

ar SevarxioT, maSin avideT

didgorze da vitiroT xmamaR-

la, daviSinoT TavSi xelebi.

qarTvelma xalxma yovelT-

vis gakeTa is, rac gasakeTebe-

li iyo, marTalia, zogierTi

qarTvel xalxs saqonels uwo-

debda, zogma politikuri saxr-

Cobelac miusaja, mxari ratom

ar damiWireTo, qarTveli xalxi

ar iyo, araerTxel rom gamovi-

da quCaSi saprotestod. 300

000 adamiani rom iyo stadion-

ze Tavmoyrili, ra Sedegi mohy-

va amas? zogierTebi saakaSvils

ekurkurebodnen Turme Cumad.

esaa saqme? winamZRoli ar hyavs

am xalxs, Torem, ase dabeCavebu-

li ar viqnebodiT.

anekdoti gamaxsenda am ambav-

ze. erTi karatisti xvdeba

megobars. karatists saxe dali-

lavebul-dalurjebuli aqvs,

dasiebuli da dabegvilia.

megobari ekiTxeba: vin gcema, bi-

Wo, Sen, aseT Zlier karatistso?

_ me ukontaqtos veCxubebo-

di da iman kontaqturiT Semo-

mitiao.

saakaSvili kontaqturSia

CvenTan da sanam Cven ukontaq-

tod veCxubebiT, manamde dedas

gvitirebs yvelas.

iranda kalandaZe

eWviani ar var, batono,jaWvliani var, magram

bevr rameSi mepareba eWvi...

,,saerTo gazeTis

stumaria~ poeti

jansuR Carkviani.

_ batono jansuR, rogor

SeafasebT biZina ivaniSvilis ga-

moCenis Semdeg Seqmnil realo-

bas?

_ biZina ivaniSvils qarTve-

li xalxi ukve Zalian didi xa-

nia icnobs, ra Tqma unada, kargi

saqmeebiT. igi ver miaRwevda im

warmatebebs, rom ar yofiliyo

kargi diplomati da politiko-

si. batoni biZina Zalian Tavmda-

bali adamiania, maincdamainc ar

uyvars sazogadoebaSi gamoCena,

amitomac qarTvelebis umravle-

soba ar icnobda.

faqtia, ivaniSvili simarT-

lisTvis mebrZol adamianebs ar

daakavebs, piriqiT, xels Se-

uwyobs samarTliani da damouki-

debeli sasamarTlos arsebobas.

vfiqrob, maqsimalurad ecdeba

minimumamde daiyvanos patimrebis

da politpatimrebis raodenoba.

dRemde Tu afinansebda mwer-

lebs, msaxiobebs, akademikosebs,

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg

yvelafers ise gaakeTebs ro-

gorc qarTvelebs Seefereba, ase

mgonia me.

_ Tumca ivaniSvilisTvis

mTavar winaRobas saqarTvelos

moqalaqeobis arqona warmoad-

gens. am sakiTxis mogvarebaSi

solidaroba sazogadoebis um-

ravlesobam da saqarTvelos

patriarqma gamoucxades, gamoi-

Rebs es aqtivoba raime Sedegs?

_ darwmunebuli var, es

mTavroba male wava da Tu ke-

Tilgonierebas gamoiCenen da mas

moqalaqeobas daubruneben, maTT-

visve iqneba ukeTesi.

_ ra gaZlevT imis Tqmis sa-

fuZvels, rom miSas xelisufle-

ba male wava?

_ simarTlis dasacavad ase

aRtyinebuli sazogadoeba didi

xania aRar minaxavs. ivaniSvili

kargi politikosi rom ar yofi-

liyo, politikur partniorad

SemTxveviT ar airCevda irakli

alasanias. irakli aris vaJkacu-

ri adamiani, aravisTan SemZvrali

ar yofila.

_ ivaniSvili nino burjana-

ZesTanac apirebs konsultaciebs.

_ biznesmenma aRniSna, rom

TiTqmis yvela politikur par-

tiasTan eqneba konsultaciebi,

sxvanairad arc SeiZleba. danar-

Ceni opozicionerebic Tu

qveynisTvis sasikeTo saqmeebs

gaakeTeben, ara mgonia, maTTan

urTierTobaze uari ganacxa-

dos. Tumca, pirvel etapze, ur-

TierToba eqneba Tavisufal de-

mokratebTan da respublikeleb-

Tan.

_ biZina ivaniSvili apirebs

qarTvelebs qarTuli ocneba

auxdinos, rogor warmogidgeni-

aT qarTuli ocneba, raze unda

gakeTdes aqcentebi?

_ meore planze unda gada-

vides gzebi da Sadrevnebi.

axal gakeTebul gzaze mSieri

da maTxovari adamiani ar unda

dadiodes. qarTvel kacs sabWo-

Ta kavSiris periodSi hqonda

medicina fulis gareSe, swav-

la-ganaTleba, samsaxuri da ar

hqonda Tavisufleba. dRes ki

rac gvqonda, isic davkargeT

da aRarc Tavisufleba gagvaC-

nia.

mixeil saakaSvilma daviT

aRmaSeneblis ZeglTan dado sap-

rezidento fici, Semdeg ki da-

viT meoTxis Zegli gadaitana da

mis adgilas ramdenime dRis ukan

grandiozuli velosipedis qan-

dakeba dadga. amaze didi ubedu-

reba raRa SeiZleba moxdes. uke-

Tesi iqneboda mixeil saakaSvils

qarTlis dedis magivrad traq-

tori daedga. Tu xar diqtato-

ri, unda dadga traqtori.

miranda nabaxteveli

`Tu xar diqtatori, qarTlis dedis magivrad unda dadga traqtori~


gvesaubreba mwerali

merab SaTiriSvili.

_ yvela vTanxmdebiT erT ra-

meSi _ ivaniSvilis gamoCena qar-

Tul politikaSi rom pozitiu-

ri movlenaa, amas damtkiceba

aRar sWirdeba, magram is eifo-

ria, rac sazogadoebaSi gaCnda,

ar aris mTlad saxarbielo. si-

marTle unda iTqvas, Tumca si-

marTlis Tqma saqarTveloSi, ga-

riyvis sawindaria. simarTle

arc opozicias awyobs, arc xe-

lisuflebas. saerTo jamSi, si-

marTle mwarea, magram xSirad,

uebari wamalic aris.

sanam es adamiani gamoCndebo-

da, qarTuli politikuri area-

li ase gamoiyureboda _ ganad-

gurebuli opozicia, daxocili

adamianebi, yvela mitingi darbe-

uli da uSedegod damTavrebu-

li, wyalsgatanebuli 100 000

adamianis protesti, xelisuf-

lebas erTxelac ki ukan ar da-

uxevia, amas mSvenivrad xedavdnen

ara mxolod saqarTveloSi,

msofliomac kargad uwyis, rac

aq xdeba.

mosalodneli iyo, rom ar-

Cevnebze saakaSvili da misi e.w.

gundi warmogvidgeboda, rogorc

erTmniSvnelovnad gamarjvebuli

partia, ar arsebobda nacmoZrao-

bis alternativa 2012 wels

`nacmoZraoba~ da saakaSvili, fa-

qtobrivad, yalibdeboda, ro-

gorc diqtatoruli mmarTvelo-

ba.

am dros ivaniSvili acxa-

debs, rom is mTavrobaSi mova

ori mesamediT. es, sxvaTa Soris,

mosalodnelic iyo, magram, na-

xeT, riT pasuxobs xelisufleba

_ CamoarTva moqalaqeoba da mi-

si statusi haerSi gamokidebu-

li darCa. am adamians politiku-

ri aqtivobis yvela SesaZleb-

loba CamoerTva, raRac drois

Semdeg advili SesaZlebelia, em-

igraciac daemuqros. ra gamovi-

da? _ xelisuflebam ivaniSvils,

dautova is SesaZlebloba, rom

darCes naxevrad politikosi, es

niSnavs: kanonierad xeliufleba-

Si mosvlis yovelgvari Sansi

mospobili aqvs. rac Seexeba sa-

akaSvils da mis diqtatorul

reJims, man Secvala taqtika da

cdilobs ivaniSvili demokrati-

uli fonisTvis gamoiyenos.

_ magram sad iqneba aq opo-

ziciis adgili?

_ is opoziciuri Zalebi,

romlebic dairazmnen axali Za-

lis garSemo da am rigs, savara-

udod, kidev bevrni SeuerTdebi-

an, ivaniSvilis faqtors mkvdre-

TiT aRdgomisTvis gamoiyeneben,

xolo ivaniSvils, romelsac ar

aqvs saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba

da ufrTxis rusuli proeqtis

iarliyis mikerebas, iZulebiT

frTxili da damTmobi iqneba

opoziciis mimarT, raTa ar da-

kargos isini, rogorc sayrdeni.

xelisuflebas saarCevno man-

qana rogorc hqonda CarTuli,

ise aqvs dResac, is ki ara, ram-

denadme gaaZlieres kidevac. di-

asporebTan gansakuTrebiT aqti-

uroben. kikabiZe Caiyvanes da am-

Rereben, riTac iq Tavisebur

propagandasac ewevian, viciT ma-

Ti saarCevno manipulaciebi, yve-

la da yvelaferi aRricxuli

aqvT. Tu bolomde mivyvebiT, yve-

laferi kontrolqveS aqvT ub-

nis inspeqtoramde, sadarbazom-

de, TiToeul sofelSi ramdeni

xma aqvT, is ician. am saarCevno

manqanas Tu ver SeaCerebs ivaniS-

vilis faqtori, merwmuneT, igi

uZlieres Zalad gadaiqceva da

2012 wels pirwmindad moigebs

arCevnebs. Tan gamoacxadebs da

msofliosac daanaxebs, rom Zli-

erkonkurentunarian garemoSic

ki gamarjveba moipova. msofli-

oc ityvis _ nacionalebi imde-

nad Zlieri da popularuli

arian qveyanaSi, rom maT moiges

mZafr konkurentunarian garemo-

Sic kio.

am dros SesaniSnavad viciT,

rom ivaniSvili. araviTari sta-

tusi ara aqvs da misi yoveli

politikur nabiji iribad unda

gadaidgas. politikaSi ki iribad

gadadgmuli nabijebiT Sedegs

ver maiRwev.

_ ivaniSvili dResac, arCev-

nebamdec arasaxarbielo polit-

ikur mdgomareobaSi Caayena xe-

lisuflebam. ar meTanxmebiT?

_ diax, ra Tqma unda. waar-

Tves moqalaqeoba, dauterores

banki, magram aZlevs sazogadoe-

basTan Sexvedris SesaZleblo-

bas, xels ar uSlis Seqmnas sa-

moqalaqo moZraoba, aliansic,

magram yvelanairad lokalize-

buls xds moqmedebebSi, zRu-

davs.

modiT, ase vityvi, qarTuli

politikuri kazino erT kacs

ekuTvnis da iq vinc Seva, winas-

war unda icodes _ aucileblad

gayvlefen da gaakotreben. Tu

maincdamainc Sexval, maT mier

dawesebuli kanonebiT ki ara, sa-

kuTari wesebiT unda iTamaSo.

gamoricxulia, nacmoZraobis

maxeSi Tavi Seyo da mere iqidan

uvnebeli gamoxvide. CaTvale,

rom Tavi ZaladobiT gaqvs ukve

moWrili da mocelili...

_ e.i. darCa quCis protesti.

_ xSirad svamen aseT kiTx-

vas.

pirdapir minda vT-qva _ visac eSinia, da-dedlebuli da daSine-bulia. saakaSvilma racaq yofnis ganmavloba-Si Caidina: terori, ce-ma, daWera, daxvreta,xalxis dawamlva, ga-zis gaSveba _ veRar ga-imeorebs, xalxo.

me ar vambob imas,rom quCaSi gamovideTim ganzraxviT _ manqa-nebi davamtvrioT, Se-nobebs cecxli movuki-doT, yvelaferi davle-

woT. ara, bato-nebo, gamovid-eT da gamovxa-toT Cveni pro-testi imis ga-mo, rom saqarT-veloSi dabade-bul erT adami-ans, romelsacsikeTis da mad-lis meti ara-feri gaukeTe-bia, saqarTve-loSi moqala-qeoba CamoarT-ves.

am kacs rom moqa-

laqeobas arTmeven, ra

garantia gvaqvs, rom

Cven, ubralo moqalaqe-

ebs xval uaress ar

gvizamen? amazea laparaki. ro-

mel arCevnebze vfiqrobT, xal-

xo, adamians saqarTveloSi yof-

nas ukrZalavs saakaSvili da ar-

CevnebSi Cems xmas angariSs gau-

wevs? es xom absurdia?!

nihilizmi xalxSi erTbaSad

ar Cndeba, nel-nela, nabij-nabij.

Tuki ivaniSvilma, romelsac mo-

qalaqeoba CamoarTves, politi-

kuri aqtivoba SeuzRudes da

ukan daixia, xalxi xedavs, rom

misi gmiri erTxel ukve damar-

cxda da mas Semdeg brZolebSi

imedianad ukve veRar gahyveba.

_ rogor gamoviyenoT? aravi-

Tari mitingi, araviTari quCa,

kanonis farglebSi vimoqmedoTo

_ ambobs batoni biZina. aseT Sem-

TxvevaSi xalxma ra gaakeTos?

_ gekiTxebiT da mi-pasuxeT, romeli mniSv-nelovani gadawyveti-leba iqna miRebulimsoflioSi, xalxis ze-wolis gareSe? sadacar aris mitingi, demon-stracia. Cven ar undamoviTxovoT axla ga-dadges saakaSvili, anmsgavsi radikaluripretenziebi, Cven unda

moviTxovoT erTader-Ti ram _ daubrundesmoqalaqeoba biZina iv-aniSvils. sxva SemTxve-vaSi `qarTuli ocneba~darCeba ocnebad.

_ xalxi xelmowerebs agro-

vebs ivaniSvilisTvis moqalaqeo-

bis dabrunebis moTxovniT. es ar

iqneba efeqturi?

_ mivesalmebiT `jazuSi~ Se-

krebili patiosani adamianebis

survils da iniciativas, magram

xelmowerebis Segroveba araf-

ris momtania. anabrebi SeaqvT

`qarTu bankSi~, mosawonia es,

magram esec arafris momtania.

ase rom, Tu ivaniSvili ar gax-

deba saqarTvelos moqalaqe, is

yovelTvis iqneba damokidebuli

im opoziciur partiebze, rom-

lebmac araerTi labirinTi gamo-

iares da ivaniSvilze metad gaw-

vrTnili arian am kuTxiT.

100 000-ma adamianmaxeli ukve moawera, mag-ram, vnaxavT, ra Sedegieqneba amas. xelmowere-bis friali aintere-sebs zustad am xeli-suflebas. Cven mova-werT xels da es qa-Raldebi bolos moxv-deba saakaSvilis saqa-RaldeSi Taroze. Tun-dac mTelma saqarTve-

lom moaweros xeli,ainunSiac ar Caagdeben,magram quCaSi gamosulxalxs ver ugulebel-yofen.

Cemma mogvarem zaza SaTiriS-

vilma ivaniSvils zneobrivi po-

litikosi uwoda. me veTanxmebi

amaSi, magram ivaniSvils, samwu-

xarod, gverdiT ara hyavs zneob-

rivi politikosebi, mas uxdeba

uzneoTa jarTan Widili da am

SemTxvevaSi zneobrioba wamgebia-

ni ram aris.

mere arCevnebSi rom umrav-

lesoba ver moipovos ivaniSvil-

ma, es uzneo politikosebi iqve

Cven mogvibrundebian da xalxs

dagvabraleben, gvetyvian _ xma

ar mieciT da Cven ra gagvekeTe-

binao. ivaniSvils moqalaqeoba

waarTves da Cems xmas rom wa-

marTmeven arCevnebze, es xom faq-

tia ukve.

_ male sazogadoebrivi moZ-

raoba Seiqmneba.

_ im organizaciaSi iseT

xalxs Tu ar miiwveven, vinc

araerTxel Seurigeblad ebrZo-

da am reJims, es moZraoba, faq-

tobrivad, bavSvur TamaSad dar-

Ceba SeiZleba. am keTilSobil

kacs yvelaferi kargi rom undo-

des, survili erTia, ganxorcie-

leba meore.

iranda kalandaZe


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interviu gldanis iveriis

yovladwmida RvTismSoblis

eklesiis winamZRvarTan mamabasil mkalaviSvilTan.

_ mamao, rogor fiqrobT, bi-

Zina ivaniSvili SeZlebs xeli-

suflebaSi mosvlas?

_ saxeliTa mamisaTa da Zisa

da sulisa wmidisaTa, CvenTan

ars RmerTi!

sanam Tqvens SekiTxvas vupa-

suxebde, minda sruliad saqarT-

velos marTlmadidebel sazoga-

doebas giorgobis dResaswauli

mivuloco. wminda giorgi farav-

des Cvens mravaltanjul qveya-

nas!

axla, rac Seexeba Tqvens ki-

Txvas. minda giTxraT, rom, dRe-

vandeli gadasaxedidan, TiTqos

yvelaferi wesrigSia, mxolod

isRa dagvrCenia, davtkbeT cxov-

rebiT, ase warmoaCens dRevande-

li xelisufali saqarTvelos

msofliosa da qarTveli mosax-

leobis TvalSi. arada, sinamdvi-

leSi mosaxleobis umravlesoba

gausaZlis pirobebSi cxovrobs.

sasowarkveTilebaSi Cavard-

nilTaTvis, roca yoveli imedi

gadawuruli iyo, RvTis gange-

biT, gamoCnda adamiani, romelic

Svelas hpirdeba xalxs. miuxeda-

vad bevrjer imedgacruebisa, sa-

zogadoebam irwmuna misi, iqedan

gamomdinare, rom mravali keTi-

li saqme aqvs gakeTebuli. gasaT-

valiswinebelia isic, rom iva-

niSvilisTvis SeuZlebelia erT-

baSad yvela gasaWirs uSvelos,

magram cxovrebis pirobebis gar-

kveulwilad gaumjobesebac did

SeRavaTs warmoadgens uaRresad

SeWirvebulTaTvis. amasTanave

xalxma gaigo, rom saakaSvilis

xelisuflebis periodSi rac

keTdeboda _ gzebis dageba, Su-

qi, yvelafers ivaniSvili akeTeb-

da, amitom mas didi mxardaWera

eqneba da mova xelisuflebaSi.

mTavaria, batonma biZinam

RvTis gangebiT iaros da eqneba

Svela uzenaesisgan. mibaZos da-

viT aRmaSenebels, Tamars, vax-

tang gorgasals. mxolod am

gziT, RvTis gangebiT da xalxis

TanadgomiT miaRwevs mizans.

_ Tqven, rogorc madlmosi-

li moZRvari, ras urCevdiT mas?

_ Cemi pozicia ukve davafiq-

sire erT gazeTSi. mgoni, metnak-

lebad micnobT, pirferoba Cem-

gan Sors aris. axla Tqveni ga-

zeTiT visargebleb da ganvacxa-

deb, RvTis msaxuri var, ganvli-

li cxovreba eris interesebisa

da sarwmunoebis dacvisaTvis ga-

mitarebia, dResac igives vagrZe-

leb. aqedan gamomdinare, dRes,

roca ivaniSvilis irgvliv mim-

dinare movlenebi friad aqtua-

luria, Tavs valdebulad vTv-

li, vurCio mas: baton biZinas

unda hyavdes mrCeveli religi-

ur dargSi ise, rogorc daviT

aRmaSenebels giorgi Wyondide-

li, radgan RmerTis sawinaaRmde-

god gadadgmuli yoveli nabiji

da aqedan gamomdinare, arakanon-

zomieri qmedeba, mis sawinaaRm-

degod warimarTeba.

pirovnebebi, romlebic saa-

kaSvilTan erTad Zalismieri me-

TodiT movidnen xelisuflebaSi

da masTan erTad Zirs uTxridnen

isedac danawevrebul qveyanas,

dRes fsevdoopoziciaSi gadaba-

rgdnen da ukve dangreul saqar-

TveloSi axla TiTqos mixvdnen,

vin aris saakaSvili da ver, uf-

ro sworad, ar aRiqvamen, ra

daxmareba gauwies amiT qarTvel-

TmoZule saakaSvils qveynis

ngrevaSi.

is adamianebi, romlebmac

pirveli prezidentis zviad gam-

saxurdias gandevnaSi lomis wi-

li dades, Semdgom niRbebiT, av-

tomatiT xelSi zviadis momxre-

ebs quCaSi dasdevdnen da xvret-

dnen (erT maTgans didubeSi ni-

Rabi Camoxsnes).

Cveni bedkruli saqarTvelo

am gansacdelSi ar Cavardeboda

avlip zurabaSvili cocxali

rom yofiliyo, iqneb mixeil sa-

akaSvili SedarebiT gawonaswo-

rebul mdgomareobamde mieyvana.

is, vinc icavda qarTul

suls, sawmunoebas, akademikos

guram SaraZis saxiT qalaqis

gulSi, dRisiT mzisiT daxvri-

tes. samSoblos moRalate sar-

wmunoebis moZuleni, vinc ar un-

da iyos: xelovani, momRerali,

mwerali Tu nebismieri, qarTve-

li, eris siyvaruls ver daimsa-

xurebs. es uRirsni iRebdnen ba-

ton biZinasgan daxmarebas daum-

saxureblad, nuTu ar dafiqre-

bulan imsaxurebdnen Tu ara

amas. swored amitom vambob, mas

mrCeveli sWirdeba, raTa gaac-

nos, vin vin aris, vis ra sikeTe

moutania qveynisTvis. albaT, ar

iwyens batoni biZina rCeva-dari-

gebas Cemgan, rogorc mravaltan-

juli da araerTxel represire-

buli moZRvrisgan.

ukeTesi iqneba, sanam gverdiT

daiyenebs vinmes, pirovneba iqne-

ba is Tu politikuri partia,

asjer awonos misi avtoriteti.

_ mamao, Tqveni pozicia re-

ligiasa da samSoblosTan mimar-

TebaSi mTeli saqarTvelosTvis

cnobilia. baton biZinas aqvs

aSenebuli samebis taZari, 500-

mde aRdgenili Tu aSenebuli ek-

lesia-mmonasteri. Tqven xom ar

iTvlebiT maT ricxvSi?

_ viqnebi gulwrfeli, sam-

wuxarod, ara. mokled getyviT,

eklesiis mSenebloba carieli

xelebiT daviwyeT, mrevlis Se-

mowirulobiT. 80 TeTric ki

daudvia zogierTs. rom davfiq-

rdebi, vekiTxebi Cems Tavs: nu-

Tu marTla Cven avageT es ula-

mazesi taZari. ramdenad didia

RvTis Zala. mSeneblobis dros

mivmarTeT ramodenime biznesmens

daxmarebisTvis, magram garkveu-

li Zalebi gzas uRobavda maT.

qvelmoqmedebas eklesia-monast-

rebis aRdgenis saqmeSi, romel-

sac batoni biZina aRasrulebda,

igive Cvenic ar aris? albaT,

RvTis neba iyo kapikebiT agebu-

liyo Cveni eklesia. marTlac

dauRalavi SromiT avageT gran-

diozuli taZari, romelic

gldanis mSvenebaa, kuTvnilebaa

saqarTvelosi, momavali Taobisa

da sadideblad RmrTisa.

me da Cemi mravalricxovani

mrevli TiTqmis 17 welia miva-

bijebT qristes eklian gzaze.

Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom

friad ganswavluli mrevli

myavs. maT ician, risTvis airCi-

es es gza, sad midian da ra

aris maTi mizani. suliT da gu-

liT RmerTs mindobili adamiani

mTebsac ki SeZravs. isini saRad

aRiqvamen saqarTveloSi mimdina-

re movlenebs. maT CemTan erTad

mravali gansacdeli, devna da

Seviwroeba gadaitanes. marto

is aris aRsaniSnavi, 6 weli Ria

cis qveS vloculobdiT marTl-

madidebelTaTvis, saqarTvelos-

Tvis da maTTvisac ki, vinac

omonis ZaliT gamogvdevna. mad-

loba ufals, es wlebi dau-

viwyaria TiToeuli CvenganisT-

vis da saqarTvelos istoriisT-

vis. Cven erT enaze vsaubrobT _

RmerTis enaze. maT sjeraT Cemi

da Cven davuWeT mxars imas,

vinc swored xalxis keTildRe-

obisTvis ibrZolebs, izrunebs

SeWirvebulTa pirobebis gaum-

jobesebisaTvis, daicavs marTl-

madideblobas. wminda ioane oq-

ropiri brZanebs: `mdidari xar?

me amis sawinaaRmdego araferi

maqvs. Zunwi xar, ai, amitom gan-

gikiTxav~. amitom eqneba xalxis

didi mxardaWera ivaniSvils,

maT Soris Cvenic.

_ mamao, yvelam vixileT, bi-

Zina ivaniSvili Sexvda patri-

arqs. es imis mauwyebelia, rom

patriarqi mxars uWers?

_ friad moxaruli var. am-

deni dumilis, miTqma-moTqmis

Semdeg Sedga maTi Sexvedra. Sev-

Txovdi ufals, kars miRma maTi

saubari mxolod Cveni qveynis

sasargeblod warimarTos.

patriarqisgan ufro damaje-

rebel, kategoriul gancxadebas

velodi. mas principulad unda

moeTxova, RmerTis saxeliTa da

marTlmadidebelTa TxovniT sas-

wrafod aRedginaT misTvis moqa-

laqeoba.

samwuxaroa, rom patriarqi

xmas ar iRebs mTavrobis uRirs

saqcielebze. eris sulierma ma-

mam unda datuqsos is mTavroba,

romelic arcxvens saqarTvelos

da RmerTis winaaRmdeg midis. es

ufleba mas uflisgan aqvs mini-

Webuli. igi valdebuli aris

aRudges eris moRalateebs, dag-

mos maTi mzakvruli qmedeba.

dabolos, movuwodeb Cems

xalxs moTminebisaken. moTminebi-

Ta da molodiniT miabijebda Cve-

ni eri odiTgan. xan umarTlebda,

xan _ ara taZrisken mimaval gza-

ze. es imaze iyo damokidebuli,

Tu rogori xelisufali uZRve-

boda ers. iyo is RvTis rCeuli

Tu ara. amitom visurvebdi, is

movlenebi, romlis morevSi

vtrialebT, midiodes RvTis ne-

biT, warimarTos xalxis sake-

TildReod. daiRala sazogadoe-

ba amdeni imedgacruebiT.

SevTxov ufals, ieso qriste

macxovars, rameTu saqarTvelo

misi rCeulia, yovladwmida de-

das, rameTu iberia misi wilx-

vedria, mowyalebis TvaliT gad-

mogvxedon uRirs, codvil Svi-

lebs. RvTis nebiT, saqarTvelo-

Si moiZebneba patara armia WeS-

marit marTlmadidebelTa, ro-

melnic bolomde erTgulni iqne-

bian RmrTisa da aRmsrulebelni

uflis WeSmariti mcnebebisa _

ai, amitom gabrwyindeba iberia.

RmerTma daglocoT.

iranda kalandaZe

patriarqisgan ufro damajerebel da kategoriulgancxadebas velodi


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dRes `vardebis revoluciis~

Semoqmedni 8 wlis iubiles izei-

meben, xolo or TveSi amave revo-

luciis erT-eerTi Semoqmedis zu-

rab Jvanias dRemde burusiT mo-

culi gardacvalebidan 7 weli

gaxdeba, rogor uyurebs am gadmo-

saxedidan yofili premieris Zma

movlenebs? amis gasarkvevad `sa-

erTo gazeTi~ gogla Jvaniasesaubra:

_ `vardebis revolucia~ iyo

molodini, rom qveyanaSi raRac

Seicvleboda. yvelas gvaxsovs,

SevardanaZis periodis sruli

stagnacia. qveyana faqtobrivad,

WaobSi imyofeboda, ramdenime

klanuri banda daboginebda da aq

cxovrebas kidev ufro gausaZ-

liss xdida.

2003 wlis 23 nomebridan

sul mcire xanSi Zalian dramatu-

lad ganviTarda movlenebi. revo-

luciam kraxi ganicada. kraxi ga-

nicada, imitom rom, erT-erTi

mTavari Semoqmedi da mamoZravebe-

li am revoluciisa, dRes aRar

aris. Cemi Zma, zurab Jvania, erTi

wlis Tavze Camoaciles qarTul

politikas. mas mere TandaTanobiT

Zalian dramatulad daiwyo qveya-

naSi movlenebis ganviTareba da im

ukanonobis zeimi, risi mowmec

dRes sruliad saqarTveloa.

_ Tumca gaCnda perspeqtiva,

rom miliarderi biznesmeni, qvel-

moqmedi da politikaSi ambiciuri

gancxadebiT mosuli ivaniSvili

am usamarTlobas SeebrZoleba,

rogor uyurebT axal realobas

qarTul politikur cxovrebaSi?

_ sul axlaxan opoziciur

flangze sruli sicariele iyo,

politikuri sivrcis baton-pat-

roni darCa mixeil saakaSvili

Tavis gundTan erTad da realuri

konkurencia aravis SeeZlo gae-

wia. am situaciaSi ivaniSvilis

gamoCena Zalian mniSvnelovani da

sasikeToa. yvela SemTxvevaSi es

faqtori sasikeTod aisaxeba Cvens

qveyanaze, erTgvari politikuri

balansi, wonasworoba dabrunda

qarTul politikur sivrceSi da

didi imedi maqvs, rom samomavlod

es yvelaferi ivaniSvilis da qar-

Tveli xalxis sasikeTod das-

ruldeba.

_ miuxedavad imisa, rom iva-

niSvils es xelisufleba gasaqans

ar aZlevs da yvela gziT cdi-

lobs, mis dablokvas?_

_ bunebrivia, dablokaven. arc

unda movelodeT, rom es xeli-

sufleba oponentebTan Cveulebri-

vi politikuri brZolis gzebs

mimarTavs. am adamianebisTvis,

romlebic dRes xelisuflebaSi

imyofebian, Zalian mniSvnelovania,

rom Zalaufleba nebismieri gziT

SeinarCunon. brZolis yvela

xerxs gamoiyeneben, miuxedavad

imisa, kanonieri iqneba Tu ara ka-

nonieri.

_ Tu gaqvT molodini, rom

ivaniSvilis pirobebSi yvelafers

Tavisi saxeli daerqmeva, Tu

gaqvT imedi, rom Tqveni Zmis gar-

dacvalebis Temas bolos da bo-

los naTeli moefineba?_

_ bunebrivia, sruliad sazo-

gadoebaSi Cndeba imedi. ivaniSvi-

lis gamoCena, pirvel rigSi, aCens

im molodins, rom qveyanaSi sasi-

keTo cvlilebebi daiwyeba. Cven

xom ukve didi xnis ganmavlobaSi-

8 welia, vcxovrobT nacionaluri

moZraobis xelmZRvanelobiT da

Sesabamisad, vxedavT uamrav usa-

marTlobas, rac Cvens qveyanaSi

xdeba. ukve Zalian bevri kiTxvis

niSani dagrovda sazogadoebaSi am

xelisuflebis mimarT. bunebrivia,

yvelas gviCndeba imedi, Tu Seic-

vala xelisufleba da movida axa-

li adamiani, axali xalxi, maSin

viTareba Seicvleba da yvela

kiTxvas pasuxi gaecema._

_ batono gogla, rogor Sea-

fasebT ybadaRebul Temebs: iva-

niSvilis rusul kapitalze, ru-

seTTan urTierTobis daTbobis

momxre politikosebis mudmivad

diskreditaciis mcdelobebze da

a.S.

_ nu axla Zalian sasaciloa

ivaniSvilis kapitalis warmomav-

lobaze, roca iwyebs xelisufle-

ba laparaks. es adamiani xom kar-

ga xnis ganmavlobaSi afinansebda

nacmoZraobas da maT proeqtebs,

maSin aravis gaxsenebia am kapita-

lis warmomavloba. roca maTi

oponenti gaxda, maSin gaaxsendaT?

Zalian sasaciloa, saerTod, bavS-

vuri saubaria, amaze seriozuli

komentari arc Rirs.

rac Seexeba ruseTTan urTi-

erTobis daTbobas, bunebrivia, Ti-

Toeuli momxre unda viyoT, rom

Cvens qveyanas normaluri, keTil-

mezobluri urTierTobebi hqon-

des. mimaCnia, is konfliqti, rac

saqarTvelos da ruseTs Soris

arsebobs, subieqturi faqtorebiT

aris gamowveuli, sxva safuZveli

amas ar gaaCnia. momxre var, ru-

seTTan urTierTobis daTobisaa

da daregulirebis.

saerTod, yvelaze

mniSvnelovani prob-

lemad, yvelaze didi

satkivarad, afxazeTi

da cxinvalis regio-

nebi mimaCnia. Tu Cven

ar davaregulirebT

ruseTTan urTierTo-

bebs am problemebs

ver gadavWriT. erTa-

derTi gza afxazeTis

da cxinvalis prob-

lemis mogvarebis ru-

seTTan saerTo enis

gamonaxvaa, sxvanairad

es ar gamova.

_ rogor uyu-

rebT natoSi gawevri-

anebis e.w. uaxles

perspeqtivas, albaT,

upriani iqneba Sev-

niSnoT, rom es Tema ivaniSvilis

politikaSi gamoCenis kvaldakval

gaaqtiure.

_ uaxloes momavalSi natoSi

Sesvla Cven ar gvemuqreba. es Te-

ma jer kidev SevardaniZis piro-

bebSi wamoswies, rom aliansSi in-

tegraciis perspeqtiva gvaqvso.

rac saakaSvili movida, mas merec

ganavrces natos Tema, ai, dRes

migviReben..xval migviReben... miv-

divarT kus nabijebiT da realu-

rad, arc ki mivdivarT, erT ad-

gils vtkepniT. nato aris demok-

ratiuli qveynebis gaerTianeba,

xolo saqarTvelo dRes demokra-

tiidan Zalian Sorsaa.

Camodian es ucxoeli politi-

kosebi Cveni megobari qveynebidan,

xan Segviqeben reformebs, xan gag-

vkicxaven, xan dagviyvaveben da

amiT amoiwureba. realurad, na-

tosken integraciis gzaze erT

adgilas gaviyineT. demokratiu-

lobis garda, ver vakmayofilebT

meore moTxovnas-stabilurobas,

jer kidev sami wlis win erT-erT

yvelaze saSiS qveyanad gvTvlid-

nen ucxo saxelmwifoebi, radgan

omi gvqonda gaCaRebuli. axla Za-

lian araseriozuli iqneba gvqon-

des molodini, rom uaxloes mo-

mavalSi natoSi migviReben, miTu-

metes, dResac moqmedi konfliqti

gvaqvs ruseTis oficiozTan. es

konfliqti amowuruli ar aris,

ki arada, naxevrad saomar viTare-

baSi vrCebiT. romel natoSi ga-

wevrianebazea saubaria?_

_ am dros ki, ucxoeli mego-

bari saxelmwifoebi saqarTvelos

TemiT manipulireben da mimdinare

reformebsac, xan Segviqeben, xan

ki gagvkicxaven...

_ esa Tu is saerTaSoriso

organizacia, esa Tu is ucxoeli

politikosi Segvaqebs, Tu gagv-

kicxavs, simarTli giTxraT, CemT-

vis meorexarisxovania. am qveyana-

Si mcxovrebi adamianebi realobas

sakuTar Tavze SesaniSnavad vgr-

ZobT da Tu rame sasikeTo xdeba,

pirvel rigSi amas Cvenve vigrZ-

nobT. viRac ucxoelma eqspertma

ki ar unda gagvagebinos, an viRac

ucxoelma, romelic saqarTvelo-

Si ramdenime saaTiT Camova da me-

re wava da Tavis komfortul ga-

remoSi dabrundeba- misTvis ki ar

unda iyos TvalsaCino raRac cvi-

lilebebi da reformebi, aramed

TvalsaCino unda iyos TiToeuli

CvenganisTvis. Cemi gadmosaxedidan

da im adamianebis azriTac, visTa-

nac vurTierTob da albaT, sxve-

bisTvisac, viTareba dRiTidRe

mZimdeba.

_ batono gogla, rogor Sea-

fasebT gancxadebas, rom 2008

wels saqarTvelom moaxdina ru-

seTTan omis provocireba?_

_ am omSi samive mxarem Sei-

tana wvlili. Tumca isic saTqme-

lia, rom saqarTvelos xelisuf-

lebamac Tavisi `gaakeTa~,man omis-

Tvis win da win daiwyo mzadeba.

saqarTveloSi 2004wlidan-

2008 wlamde gamalebuli Seiara-

Reba midioda. samxedro biujetis

ganuwyveteli zrdaze iyo xeli-

sufleba momarTuli, miliardo-

biT daxarjes omis warmoebisaT-

vis, xolo 5 dReSi miliardo-

biT dolari sruliad gamousade-

gari aRmoCnda. aTjer an asjer

naklebi Tanxa, rom dagvexarja

zustad igive Sedegs miviRebdiT.

es uazroba iyo, es iyo gadayri-

li fuli.

Tanxis nawili moxmarda iara-

Ris SeZenas, raRac gadaiaraRebas,

raRac bazebis mSeneblobas, vi-

Tomda, jarebis momzadebas... mniS-

vnelovani nawili ki, daileqa Ci-

novnikebis jibeebSi. es fuli,

rom qarTul ekonomikaSi Cadebu-

liyo axla sxvagvar garemoSi

vicxovrebdiT, im Cvens separatis-

tul regionebTanac bevrad ufro

gagviadvildeboda saubari da arc

ruseTTan gveqneboda amdeni prob-

lema.

sasaciloa, saqarTvelosnairi

qveyana emzadebodes, ruseTTan om-

isaTvis. Kki batono, SeiZleba ga-

dado Tavi da ibrZolo CeCnebi-

viT, Tumca ar var am gzis momx-

re. ai, CeCnebma gadades Tavi da

400 weli ibrZvian, Tumca realu-

rad, gacamtverda CeCneTi da ga-

nadgurda maTi genofondi. ar min-

da Cveni qveyana analogiur viTa-

rebaSi aRmoCndes. axla mTeli

msoflio cdilobs airidos ru-

seTTan problemebi, Cven ki ra-

tomRac yvelanairad movindomeT,

rom lomis xaxaSi aRmovCeniliya-

viT.

_ Tqveni azriT, ra aris mize-

zi Cveni aseTi `kamikaZeobisa~?_

_ ver gavige mizezi. etyoba,

marTlac sjerodaT, rom raRac

Sedegs miaRwevdnen. me im adamia-

nebze, romlebic dRes marTaven

Cvens qveyanas maRali warmodgenis

ar var. eseni ar arian seriozu-

li adamianebi. realobas mowyve-

tilni arian. arc is aris gamo-

ricxuli, viRacam daajera, rom

es problema Zalismieri gziT ga-

dawydeboda. faqtia, tribuna

hqondaT gamzadebuli, rom Semdeg

mixeil saakaSvils TbilisSi Ca-

moetana da aRlumi gaemarTa.xom

gvazeimes ruseTTan omSi gamarj-

veba.

_ es rac Seexeba, ruseT-ssa-

qarTvelos oms, axlo momavalSi

ki, sazogadoebas sakuTar xeli-

suflebasTan aqvs brZola mosage-

bi. albaT, dameTanxmebiT, civili-

zebuli arCevnebis pirobebSi iva-

niSvili am reJims didi upirate-

sobiT daamTavrebda, axla ra San-

sebi rCeba?

_ absoluturad geTanxmebiT.

TviTon saakaSvilmac icis, rom

samarTlebrivi arCevnebis piro-

bebSi damarcxdeba. unda iTqvas,

es ar iqneba mxolod arCevnebi,

radgan xelisufleba gasayalbeb-

lad berketebs SesaniSnavad fl-

obs. amitom TiToeul Cvengans mo-

uwevs sakuTari xmis dacva. amaT

ician, rogor CaSalon procesi,

rogor gamoiyvanon oponenti wyo-

bidan, ai, amitom arCevnebis gan-

mavlobaSi, xmebis daTvlis peri-

odSi da am procesebis logikur

finalamde, xalxi gareT unda ga-

movides da ubnebTan dadges. ra

Tqma unda, Sexla-Semoxla iqneba.

Tumca, bolomde unda davdgeT

mtkiced da vibrZoloT gamarjve-

bisTvis. momavali arCevnebi-es

aris brZola xelisuflebasa da

sazogadoebas Soris. optimisti

var da mjera gavimarjvebT.

bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi

mraval qveyanaSi vimogzaure da

Sedarebebis saSualeba mqonda,

amitom vambob, Cven didi potenci-

alis xalxi varT, amaSi vgulisx-

mob ara bunebriv pirobebsa da re-

sursebs, aramed, pirvel rigSi,

Cvens xalxs, Cven sazogadoebas.

Tavsmoxveuli da amerikanizebuli

araferSi gvWirdeba, sxvisi ana-

rekli ar unda gavxdeT.gvaqvs sa-

kuTari sruliad unikaluri -qar-

Tuli, rasac Senaxva da gafrTxi-

leba sWirdeba. amitom biZina iva-

niSvili, Tu am `qarTul ocnebas~

agvisrulebs, mxolod mivesalme-

bi.

naTia nodia

ras fiqrobs da ras urCevs sazogadoebas vardebis

revoluciis me-8 wlisTavzezurab Jvanias Zma gogla Jvania


bolo xania xelisuflebis

qmedeba `qarTu~ bankis mimarT

araprognozirebadi gaxda. mii-

Res axali cvlileba kanonSi

àRsrulebis Sesaxeb~ _ rome-

lic aseve am organizaciis wina-

aRmdeg aris mimarTuli _ ro-

gorc specialistebi ganmarta-

ven.

sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT vesa-

ubrebiT ekonomikis mecnierebaTa

doqtors, profesor lado pa-pavas.

_ batono lado, iSviaTia

Tu ara msoflio politikaSi

iseTi SemTxvevebi, rodesac ol-

igarqi midis maT Semadgenloba-

Si da saerTod, TvliT Tu ara,

rom biZina ivaniSvili aris

oligarqi?

_ oligarqi aris adamiani,

romelic iyenebs xelisufleba-

Si yofnas da xelisuflebis xe-

liT arsebul berketebs gasam-

didreblad.

oligarqs eZaxdnenbadri patarkaciSvi-ls, magram is oligar-qi ar yofila imitom,rom is arc ruseTis xe-lisuflebaSi yofila,arc saqarTvelos xe-lisuflebaSi. ase, romvinaidan ivaniSvili aryofila dRemde xeli-suflebaSi, is ar arisoligarqi, ubralod,is gaxlavT miliarde-ri.

rac Seexeba, magaliTad, ben-

duqiZes, is aris oligarqi imi-

tom, rom rac is xelisufleba-

Sia, mis qonebas miemata, Torem

araferi daklebia.

es termini SemTxveviT ar ga-

mouyenebiaT, oponentebs surT

daakninon ivaniSvili da imitom

Tqves ase. faqtia, rom baton bi-

Zinas politikaSi yofniT ar

uSovia fuli.

_ rac Seexeba sabanko opera-

cias, iyo Tu ara raime darRve-

viT Sesrulebuli, ratom moxda

Tanxebis CamorTmeva?

_ `qarTu~ bankis mxridan

aranairi darRveva ar momxdara,

Cveulebrivi ram aris, rodesac

erT banks aqvs naRdi fuli, Se-

iZleba meore bankma Tu mas aqvs

angariSze Tanxa, is gadaitanos.

es Cveulebrivi momentia. miTu-

metes, rom am sabanko operacia-

Si monawileobda `doiCe bankis~

amerikuli ofisi da amerikuli

`siTi~ banki. es bankTaSorisi

operacia iyo, aranair fulis

gaTeTrebas adgili ar hqonia,

Tu maincdamainc fulis gaTeT-

rebaze iyo eWvi, ratom ar mii-

tanes eWvi im bankze, saidanac

gavida Tanxa? ase rom, absolu-

turad xelovnurad aris Seqmni-

li es problema. aSkaraa, rom es

yovelive gakeTda politikuri

niSniT.

amis mere naxeT, ra moxda?

mTavrobis zewolis gamo sxva-

dasxva organizaciebma da kompa-

niebma `qarTu~ bankidan gaitanes

Tanxebi da angariSebi, daaxloe-

biT sul 45 milioni lari. es

aris ukve reJimis qmedeba am ban-

kis winaaRmdeg, politikur-rep-

resiuli xasiaTis. es aris dau-

faravi brZola `qarTu~ bankis

winaaRmdeg.

asea Tu ise, ramdeni xani ga-

vida am operaciis Catarebidan,

raime safuZveli, rom hqonoda

erovnul banks an xelisufle-

bas, ar ityodnen? ubralod,

aranairi darRveva ar arsebobs.

waarTves `qarTu~ banks fu-

li da erovnuli bankis prezi-

denti acxadebs, rom mzad varT

amave raodenobis Tanxa maT va-

sesxoTo. ras niSnavs es? ratom

unda asesxo fuli banks? imi-

tom rom waarTvi?

garkveuli dapiris-pirebis SesaqmneladgakeTda isic, rom 9 no-embers erovnulma ban-kma moiTxova `qarTu~bankidan gadaricxvebi,xolo 10 noembers ga-zeTSi gakeTda gancxa-deba imis Taobaze, Tuvin iRebs `qarTu~ jgu-fidan daxmarebebs. vi-meoreb, es yvelaferigaxlavT brZola iva-niSvilis winaaRmdeg.

_ amave periods daemTxva ka-

nonSi cvlileba àRsrulebis

Sesaxeb~ _ rac garkveulwilad

kvlav `qarTu~ bankis winaaRmdeg

aris mimarTuli, mas barbaro-

sul kanonsac uwodeben, amaze

ras ityviT?

_ es cvlileba aris serio-

zuli zianis momtani mTeli Cve-

ni sabanko sistemisaTvis, imitom

rom Tu kerZo an iuridiul

pirs moundeba sesxis aReba gi-

raoSi raime qonebis Cadebis

gziT, axla es giraos valdebu-

leba, Tu masTan mimarTebaSi aR-

moCndeba darRveva, SeuZlia wai-

Ros mTavrobam da praqtikulad,

bankebi SeiZleba gakotrdes. sa-

banko asociacia, romelic am ka-

nonis winaaRmdeg xmas unda

imaRlebdes, saerTod

dums, erovnuli banki

ki Tvals xuWavs.

_ emuqreba Tu ara

gakotrebis safrTxe

`qarTu~ banks?

_ ara mgonia, ga-

kotrdes, Tumca, Teo-

riulad amis Sansi

arsebobs, miTumetes

dRes, rodesac erov-

nuli bankidan yvela-

feria mosalodneli.

miuxedavad imisa, rom

xalxi dadga am bankis

gverdiT da 6400-mde

moqalaqem Seitana ana-

bari. es iSviaTi Sem-

Txveva iyo bankebis

istoriaSi, radganac roca banks

eqmneba problemebi, moqalaqeebi

cdiloben iqidan Tanxebis gata-

nas, aq ki piriqiT moxda. amiT

xalxma gamoxata Tavisi dadebi-

Ti pozicia biZina ivaniSvilis

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_ daubrundeba Tu ara `qar-

Tu~ banks is 45 milioni lari,

romelic organizaciebma gaita-

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_ ormocdaxuTi milioni la-

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rac Sexeba warTmeul Tanxas,

mTavroba Seecdeba gawelos

dro, rom ar misces ukan. rac

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biZina ivaniSvils sakmao mxarda-

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cionalizmi~ Tu `nacionaluri

agresiuloba~ saqarTveloSi cn-

obilia, da is arafers ar gamo-

ricxavs.

_ amas winaT premier-mminist-

rma gilaurma ekonomikuri gan-

viTarebis xuTwliani gegma wa-

radgina, es kanonzomieri movle-

naa, Tu isini momaval 5 welsac

apireben xelisuflebaSi darCe-

nas?

_ saerTod, ekonomikaSi cno-

bilia dagegmvis ori sistema –

direqtiuli da indikatiuri. aqe-

dan pirveli gamoiyeneboda ssrk-

s dros, roca gegmas kanonis Za-

la hqonda, indikatiuri dagegm-

va aris dagegmvis iseTi saxeoba,

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Tu rogor unda ganviTardes

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qveyanaSi moqmedebda indikatiu-

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saWiro dagegmva, exla ki mTav-

robam SemogvTavaza xuTwliani

gegma.

Cvens konstituciuri sivr-

ceSi am xelisuflebis ufleba-

mosileba 2013 wlisTvis gadis.

amitom, es gegma rom yofiliyo

mxolod 2012-13 wlebze gaTv-

lili, gavigebdiT, magram dRes

is sruliad gaugebaria. mokled,

es aris mxolod piarisaTvis ga-

keTebuli qmedeba da meti arafe-

ri.

_ daiwyo msoflio ekonomi-

kuri krizisis axali talRa,

ramdenad imoqmedebs es Cvens

qveyanaze, sadac aranairi qarxa-

na da fabrika ar muSaobs. am

krizisSi xom didi xania varT

da mgoni, SeveCvieT kidec, amaze

uaresic iqneba?

_ wina wlebSi es garkveul-

wilad, naklebad SegvemCna, rad-

ganac agvistos omis gamo mivi-

ReT seriozuli finansuri dax-

mareba. es Tanxebi bolomde dRe-

sac ar aris aTvisebuli.

dRes es krizisi arCamcxrala, is dRemdeRvioda anu momavalikrizisi Cvens qveyanazeufro seriozuli Se-degebiT aisaxeba, vid-re is iyo 2008 wels,gaZvirdeba produqte-bi, rac mosaxleobasufro gaaRaribebs.

_ dabolos, minda gkiTxoT,

ruseTis gaerTianeba `msoflio

savaWro organizaciaSi~ ra Se-

degebs moutans maT da ra Sede-

gebs mogvitans Cven?

_ Cvenma qveyanam miiRo kom-

pensacia politikuri Tvalsaz-

risiT, anu saxmeleTo sazRvreb-

ze gaCndebian damkvirveblebi!

amiT moskovma praqtikulad da-

aknina mis mier afxazeTisa da

oseTis damoukideblobis aRia-

reba. am etapze es qmedeba Cven-

Tvis aris pozitivi.

ruseTma ki `savaWro organi-

zaciaSi~ gaerTianebiT miiRo is,

rom maTi ambicia dakmayofilda.

maT aqvT pretenzia imaze, rom

arian msoflios lideri qveyana

da ar iyvnen msoflio savaWro

organizaciis wevrebi. ruseTi

xom Tvlis, rom aris msoflios

erTerTi `polusi~. es ambiciac

daikmayofiles.

evropam da amerikam ki miiRo

axali bazari, romelic ufro

prognozirebadi iqneba maTTvis,

radganac am organizaciis wev-

roba aris garkveuli valdebu-

lebac da qcevis CarCoebSi moq-

cevac. amitom rusul bazarze

Sesvla danarCeni qveynebisTvis

nakleb riskiani iqneba.

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ritoriuli mTlianoba da ker-

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erTi umTavresi satkivaria, vime-

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kasTan, srulebiT ar icnobs da

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me, aramed kategoriulad aukr-

Zalavda.

ama wlis 25 no-

emberi marto axal-

mTvareobis perio-

diT ar aris prob-

lematuri; yvelaze

cudi is gaxlavT,

rom amas emateba

mzis dabneleba, rac

gacilebiT ufro am-

Zimebs am periods.

ansamblma `75-ma~ Ce-

mi rCeviT, am dRes

daniSnuli saiubi-

leo koncerti gada-

do 27 ricxvSi. maT

ician amis mniSvne-

loba. radgan axal

mTvares emateba mz-

is dabneleba, ami-

tom es periodi or-

magad cudia. kosmosidan negati-

uri Zalis didi raodenobiT

Semosvla xdeba dedamiwaze. Tu

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raRacis wamowyebas apirebs, igi

Tavisi xeliT iqmnis dabrkole-

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Rac axalis dawyeba.

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kargad moexseneba, rom batoni

biZina ivaniSvilis mSobliuri

raioni aris saCxere, sofeli

Worvila. es aris adamiani, ro-

melic gaizarda bunebasTan si-

axloveSi, uyvars buneba da aqe-

dan gamomdinare, bevri ram un-

da icodes. hkiTxos xnier

xalxs, uxucesebs, isini etyvi-

an, auxsnian, ras niSnavs da ro-

goria es periodi Tundac same-

urneo saqmianobisTvis. saqarT-

veloSi axal mTvareze mcenare-

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25 noembris garda me mas ar

vurCevdi 10 dekembers, radgan

am ricxvSi aris mTvaris dabne-

leba. aseve arasasurveli peri-

odia 20 dekembridan 25 dekem-

bramde, radgan am dros mze

dgas, mzebudobas rom uwodeben

is droa. sxa danarCen ricxveb-

Si astrologiuri Tvalsazri-

siT, arCevani Tavisufalia.

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sxvadasxva ZalebTan, sxvadasxva

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meds, mecenats, magram ro-

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noTs gamocdileba da igive

Secdomebi ar unda davuSvaT.


erTi periodi iseTi STabeW-

dileba iqmneboda, TiTqos saqar-

Tvelos gza 2012 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebisken uSfoTve-

li da gansakuTrebuli movlene-

bisgan daclili iqneboda. prezi-

dent mixeil saakaSvilis sul

ufro daundobeli „erTiani na-

cionaluri moZraoba“ ganuxre-

lad miiwevda damajerebeli

triumfisken danawevrebuli da

didwilad upasuxismgeblo opo-

ziciis winaaRmdeg.

magram am dros miliarderi

biZina ivaniSvili gamoCnda.

„es arCevnebi absoluturad

gansxvavebuli iqneba da saakaS-

vils da mis xalxs ar unda

hqondes iluzia, rom Zveli is-

toria ganmeordeba“, – ganacxada

55 wlis karCaketilma finansit-

ma mas Semdeg, rac gasul TveSi

moulodnelad uari Tqva ganmar-

toebul cxovrebaze Tavis so-

fel WorvilaSi, raTa politi-

kaSi monawileobaze ganacxadi

gaekeTebina. „Cemi azriT, dRes

realoba iseTia, rom saakaSvils

xmas sakuTari dedac ar mis-

cems“.

man ganacxada aseve, rom „Za-

lian kargad icis, Tu rogor Za-

ladobs saakaSvili aramxolod

qarTvel xalxze, aramed mis ax-

lo garemocvazec. saakaSvili

ver SeZlebs im raodenobis xme-

bis mopovebas, rac gayalbebisT-

vis aucilebelia“.

Worviladan scenaze gamoCe-

nis Semdeg, ramdenime kviraSi,

ivaniSvilma moZraoba „qarTuli

ocneba“ daafuZna, romelic misi

TqmiT, momaval arCevnebSi gai-

marjvebs.

radio `Tavisuflebis“ dRi-

urebSi ivaniSvili ambobs, rom

„ar iyo ioli gadawyvetileba“

CarTuliyo politikur brZola-

Si, magram am nabijisken mas „qv-

eynis mZime mdgomareobam“ ubiZga.

Ria sezoni

kampania Tavidan erTgvari

dabrkolebebiT daiwyo. ivaniSvi-

li pozicias nel-nela imkvid-

rebda. da pirveli noembris

preskonferencia qaosSi gadai-

zarda, rodesac reportiorebi

kiTxvebs gahyvirodnen, maSin,

roca ivaniSvili da misi pres-

mdivani irakli tripolski mTe-

li ZaliT cdilobdnen situaci-

is gakontrolebas.

CanasaxSi myofi kampania (da

Tavad ivaniSvili) saakaSvilma

da misma mxardamWerebma kriti-

kis, zogjer daufaravi Tavdasx-

mebis qarcecxlSi moaqcies, miu-

xedavad imisa, rom Tavad prezi-

dents ivaniSvilis saxelic ki

ar uxsenebia.

pirvel rigSi, saakaSvilis

mTavrobam mas Semdeg, rac iva-

niSvilma sajarod ganacxada,

rom apirebs uari Tqvas safran-

geTis da ruseTis moqalaqeoba-

ze, mas saqarTvelos moqalaqeo-

ba CamoarTva. is saakaSvilis

gankargulebas asaCivrebs, magram

Tuki araferi Seicvala, mas ka-

noni ar miscems arc kenWisyris

da arc raime politikuri moZ-

raobis marTvis an dafinansebis

uflebas.

amasTanave, policiam misi

„qarTu bankis“ filialSi reidi

moawyo da is fulis gaTeTreba-

Si daadanaSaula. ivaniSvili sa-

xelmwifo mediis Jurnalistebs

misi pirveli preskonferenciis

sabotaJis mcdelobaSi adanaSau-

lebs.

saakaSvilis mxardamWerebi,

magaliTad, deputati „erTiani

nacionaluri moZraobidan“ gi-

orgi gabaSvili, saxelmwifos

mier kontrolirebad televizi-

ebs im ideis tiraJirebisTvis

iyenebs, rom ivaniSvili mosko-

vis marionetia.

„ruseTSi ramdenime miliard

dolarad Sefasebuli qonebis

floba da marTva aucileblad

miuTiTebs am adamianis axlo

kavSirebze kremlTan“, – ambobs

gabaSvili. „da rodesac am kav-

Siris mqone figura politikaSi

Semodis, ra Tqma unda, es faq-

tori xdeba. aravin aris iseTi

gulubryvilo daijeros, rom

viRac saqarTvelos politikur

cxovrebaSi aqtiurdeba, aqvs mi-

liardebi ruseTSi da am faq-

tors ar iTvaliswinebs“.

ivaniSvilma ganacxada, rom

is ruseTSi sakuTari aqtivebis

gayidvas apirebs.

sayovelTao

mxardaWera

Tavdasxmebma, rogorc Cans

mxolod ganamtkices karCaker-

tili miliarderisadmi mxarda-

Wera. ivaniSvilisadmi solida-

robis niSnad, magaliTad, marto

erTi kviris ganmavlobaSi, daax-

loebiT 5 000-ma adamianma gaxs-

na angariSi „qarTu bankSi“.

xelisuflebas gangaSis sa-

fuZveli marTlac aqvs: ivaniSvi-

li saSualo kalibris miliar-

deri ar aris. saqarTvelos um-

didresi kaci ivaniSvili, rom-

lis qonebac Forbes-is TanaxmaddaaxloebiT 5,5 miliardi do-

laria, dRemde sajaro yuradRe-

bas gaurboda. man Tavisi qoneba

ruseTSi 1990-ian wlebSi daag-

rova, magram 10 welia, rac sa-

qarTveloSi dabrunda da Tavis

mSobliur sofel WorvilaSi

dasaxlda, romelic Tbilisidan

dasavleTiT daaxloebiT, 150 ki-

lometrSi mdebareobs.

manamde, man mxolod erTi

vrceli interviu misca ruseTis

yoveldRiur biznesgazeT „vedo-

mostis“ 2005 wels. am intervi-

uSi is xazs usvams Tavis sur-

vils pirad cxovrebaze: „me

calsaxad ar var sajaro adami-

ani“, – ambobs igi, „magram es Ce-

mi xasiaTia. ar miyvars Jurna-

listebTan Sexvedra, sajaro

movlenebSi an RonisZiebebSi mo-

nawileoba. aseT adgilebSi gi-

wevs niRbis gakeTeba, me ki for-

malobebs ver vitan. cxovreba

moklea – ar minda sakuTari Ta-

visuflebis SezRudva. marTlac

ar miyvars yuradRebis centrSi

yofna. ar miyvars zeimebi da sa-

kuTar dabadebis dResac ki aras-

dros vixdi“.

magram wlebis ganmavlobaSi

is usaqmod ar mjdara. ivaniS-

vilma Seqmna saqvelmoqmedo

fondi, romelic Cumad xarjavda

milionebs proeqtebze, romle-

bic didwilad qarTuli kultu-

ris mxardaWerisken iyo mimar-

Tuli. man aRadgina eklesiebi da

Teatrebi mTeli qveynis masSta-

biT. is pensiebs uxdis qarTvel

akademikosebs da kulturis

moRvaweebs.

SarSan, Jurnal Prospect-Sigamoqveynebul mis profilSi,

bevri iseTi adamiani saubrobs,

romlebsac is daexmara da rom-

lebic ambobdnen, rom arasdros

unaxavT ivaniSvili da masTan

aranairi pirdapiri kontaqti ar

hqoniaT. misi saxeli ar hqvia

arcerT proeqts, romelic man

daafinansa.

is gansakuTrebulad guluxvi

iyo Worvilas mimarT, sadac ga-

naaxla saxlebi da sajaro Seno-

bebi, aRadgina gzebi da aaSena Ta-

namedrove saavadmyofo, sadac ad-

gilobriv mosaxleobas ufasod

emsaxurebian; is pensiis danamats

da yovelTviur premiebs uxdis

eqimebs da pedagogebs. 2009

wlamde, man komunaluri gadasa-

xadebi 60 000 moqalaqes daufa-

ra. Prospect-is Tanaxmad, sakuTarqalaqSi is 2000 dolars gas-

cems iseT xarjebze, rogoric

qorwili da dakrZalvaa. Tumca,

kritikosebma is imaSi daadanaSa-

ules, rom aseTi qmedebebiT man

adamianebi masze damokidebulni

gaxada da iniciativa CauxSo.

Sereuli reaqciebi

qarTul politikur brZo-

laSi CarTvis dRidan ivaniSvi-

li acxadebs, rom misi erTader-

Ti mizani sistemuri reforme-

bis gatarebaa, rac saqarTvelos

miscems SesaZleblobas ganviTa-

rdes, rogorc Tavisufali baz-

ris demokratiuli qveyana. man

ganacxada, rom ar unda prezi-

dentoba da Tanamdebobaze mxo-

lod ori-sami wliT darCenas

apirebs da sjera, rom reforme-

bisTvis es sakmarisi droa. amis

Semdeg mas saqvelmoqmedo saqmi-

anobasTan dabruneba unda.

opoziciuri partiis `Tavi-

sufali demokratebis“ xelmZR-

vaneli irakli alasania, rome-

lic ivaniSvilma potenciur po-

litikur partniorad daasaxe-

la, miesalma ivaniSvilis poli-

tikur scenaze gamoCenas.

„qarTul sazogadoebas didi

xnis ganmavlobaSi aklda aseTi

debatebi, aseTi gulwrfeli sa-

ubari“, – ambobs alasania. „vfiq-

rob dRes b-nma ivaniSvilma Za-

lian mkafiod da gulwrfelad

uTxra sazogadoebas ratom mii-

Ro man es gadawyvetileba da ra-

tom CaerTo politikaSi, ra ar-

is misi mTavari mizani – mis

partniorebTan erTad. Cven gvin-

da, rom am qveyanaSi bolos da

bolos konkurenciis namdvili

SesaZlebloba gaCndes – konku-

renciis politikasa da biznesSi.

da vfiqrob, qarTulma sazoga-

doebam es Zalian cxadad da mka-

fiod dainaxa“.

sxvebi aseTi darwmunebuli

ar arian. levan vefxvaZe, parla-

mentis vice-spikeri opoziciuri

partia „qristian-demokratebi-

dan“, romelsac xelisuflebis-

gan farTo mxardaWera aqvs, iva-

niSvilis debiutiT presaSi mo-

xibluli ar aris.

„me ver vityvi, rom damrCa

STabeWdileba, TiTqos Cven saqme

gvaqvs seriozul politikos-

Tan“, – ambobs vefxvaZe. „dam-

wyebTaTvis, politika Zalian

gansxvavdeba biznesisgan. rogo-

rc Cans, mis irgvliv menejmen-

tic Zalian sustia. guSin Zali-

an bevri adamiani mirekavda da

meubneboda, „am kacma SeiZleba

milionebi gaakeTa, magram ver

moaxerxa erTi preskonferenciis

organizeba, rogor apirebs is

mTeli qveynis marTvas?“ ro-

gorc Cans, es aris STabeWdile-

ba, romelic sazogadoebis erT

segments gauCnda“.

ivaniSvilis poziciebi nela

da Tanmimdevrulad yalibdeba.

is upiratesobas aniWebs saqar-

Tvelos kurs evropuli integ-

raciisken, magram darwmunebu-

lia, rom ruseTTan urTierTo-

bebis gaumjobeseba SesaZlebeli

da savaldebuloa. imavdrou-

lad, is acxadebs, rom saqarT-

velos sxva „alternativa ar

aqvs“, Tu ara natos wevrobis-

ken swrafva.

politikuri axalbeda?

magram ivaniSvilis mTavari

aqcenti sistemuri reformis

gaRrmavebazea. „Cven unda da-

viwyoT namdvilad damoukidebe-

li sasamarTlos Seqmnis proce-

si – da es procesi Seuqcevadi

unda gaxdes“, – ambobs ivaniSvi-

li. „media unda iyos Tavisufa-

li. Cven unda SevqmnaT garemo,

romelic mimzidveli iqneba in-

vestorebisTvis. samuSao adgi-

lebis Seqmna mudmivi dakvirve-

bis da Cveni politikis centra-

luri mizani iqneba“.

zogierTi misi werilobiTi

gancxadebis safuZvelze, kriti-

kosebs SeiZleba gauCndeT sur-

vili daaskvnan, rom ivaniSvils

yvela problemis gadaWris gzad

fulis gacema miaCnia. is ori

telearxis yidvis iniciativiT

gamovida, romlebic man daaadana-

Saula imaSi, rom maT saakaSvi-

li akontrolebs, maSin rodesac

Tavad sruli saredaqcio damou-

kidebloba, xolo saxelmwifo

mediaSi momuSave yvela Jurna-

lists, romelic moisurvebs Se-

uerTdes mis kampanias, dasaqmeba

SesTavaza.

imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom

misi moqalaqeobis sakiTxi kvlav

Riad rCeba (miuxedavad imisa,

rom ivaniSvilis TqmiT, mas aqvs

sarezervo gegma Tuki moqalaqe-

obas ver daibrunebs) jer kidev

ucnobia, ra rols iTamaSebs is

moaxloebul kampaniaSi.

opoziciuri partia „axali

memarjveneebis“ wevri fiqria

CixraZe imaze swuxs, rom ivaniS-

vili gamoucdelia. „amboben, er-

Tia, gqondes politikuri ga-

mocdileba, rodesac saqme exeba

Sens urTierTobas mediasTan,

magram rodesac adamiani aseT

did ambiciebs avlens, mas zogi-

erT sakiTxze unda hqondes mka-

fiod formulirebuli pozi-

cia“, – ambobs igi.

„erTi mxriv, me momwons, ro-

desac is ambobs, rom yvelaferi

ar icis da bevri ramis swavla

sWirdeba. magram rodesac saqme

fundamentur sakiTxebs exeba –

is am SemTxvevaSic ki acxadebs,

rom maTze mogvianebiT ifiqrebs

da specialistebTan erTad gani-

xilavs. es me ar momwons“, – am-

bobs CixraZe. „iseTi STabeWdi-

leba rCeba, rom erTaderTi, rac

man danamdvilebiT icis, aris is,

rom parlamentSi umravlesobas

moipovebs; yvela danarCen sa-

kiTxs mogvianebiT gadawyvets“.

„radio Tavisuflebis“ dRi-

urebSi ivaniSvili aRiarebs,

rom jer kidev bevri ram unda

iswavlos politikaze: „me mWir-

deba realuri gamoxmaureba da

kritika imisTvis, rom ar davuS-

va Secdomebi momavalSi“.

robert kolsoni: robert kolsoni:

saqarTvelos karCaketili, umdidresi adamiani saakaSvilis politikur

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li ambobs, rom miuxedavad yve-

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lebi acxadeben, rom maT uCnde-

baT kiTxvebi im meTodebis mi-

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mTavroba biZina ivaniSvilis po-

litikuri sarbielidan Camoci-

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ivaniSvili, romlis qoneba,

`forbsis~ monacemebiT, wlis

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iRes didi odenobis naRdi fu-

li, romelic dRemde ar daub-

runebiaT.

imave dRes narkotikebis Se-

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braldebiT daakaves fond `qar-

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advokatTa gancxadebiT, iva-

niSvili mis winaaRmdeg agore-

buli ukanono kampaniis msxver-

plia. axla isini iRvwian moqa-

laqeobis aRsadgenad, uromli-

sodac biZina ivaniSvili

politikur saqmianobas

piradad ver gaagrZe-

lebs.

saakaSvili da misi

xelisuflebis maRalCi-

nosnebi presasTan yo-

velTvis TanamSromlo-

ben, magram amjerad ara-

nair komentars ar ake-

Teben politikaSi gaCe-

nili axali personis

Sesaxeb da amis SesaZ-

leblobas mmarTveli

gundis _ erTiani naci-

onaluri moZraobis wa-

rmomadgenel parlamen-

tarebs aZleven. isinic,

yovelgvari xelCasaWidi

argumentaciis gareSe,

ivaniSvils moskovTan siaxlove-

Si sdeben brals.

politikosTa umravlesoba,

isinic ki, vinc ivaniSvils ar

wyalobs, gadawyvetilebas moqa-

laqeobis CamorTmevis Sesaxeb

erTgvarad politikur angariS-

sworebad afaseben.

ìvaniSvilis mimarT mTavro-

bis taqtika aSkaraa _ igi agre-

siul nabijebs dgams da ivaniS-

vils radikaluri da agresiuli

moqmedebebis, quCis aqciebisken

ubiZgebs. xelisuflebis warmo-

madgenlebs urCevniaT `quCis po-

litika~, radganac aseT dros

maT nebismier oponentTan Seda-

rebiT upiratesoba gaaCniaT~, _

acxadebs qristian-demokratTa

lider giorgi TargamaZe.

ivaniSvilma erT-erT inter-

viuSi aRiara, rom xelisufle-

bam rTul mdgomareobaSi Caaye-

na, Tumca mas veraferi SeaCe-

rebs:

`rasakvirvelia, politikaSi

moumzadebeli movedi. garkveul-

wilad, ver vaxerxeb mobilize-

bas da gundis Camoyalibebas. xe-

lisuflebis moufiqrebel nabi-

jebze mudmivi reagireba da bev-

ri sxva ram probleebs miqmnis

da xels miSlis calkeuli eta-

pebis swrafad organizebaSi,

magram TandaTan me amas SevZleb.

me arc ise cudad vreagireb xe-

lisufalTaAdaufiqrebel nabi-

jebze~. misive TqmiT, axlandeli

adminisrtacia kraxis safrTxis

winaSe dgas da man Sesadareb-

lad libiaSi muamar kadafis re-

Jimis damxoba moiyvana.

biZina ivaniSvili acxadebs,

rom igi Seecdeba, saqarTvelos

rogorme aacilos `kadafiza-

cia~, daswios temperatura da

Tavi aaridos konfrontacias.

qarTuli mediisTvis mice-

mul interviuSi kolumbiis uni-

versitetis profesori, eqsper-

ti saqarTvelos sakiTxebSi

linkoln mitCeli acxadebs, rom

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs

eSiniaT ivaniSvilis, radganac

misma simdidrem SesaZloa, misi

politikuri warmateba uzrun-

velyos. ès imas niSnavs, rom

mas SeuZlia Seqmnas sakuTari

telearxi da Secvalos qveyana-

Si viTareba~, _ dasZens mitCe-

li.

misive azriT, ivaniSvilma

Tavisi politikuri momxreebi

Zalzed gonovrulad SearCia.

erT-erTi maTgani partia Tavi-

sufali demokratebis lideri

irakli alasaniaa.

`savaraudod, CrdilSi myo-

fi politikosebi wina planze

gamovlen _ es maTi Sansia. ala-

sanias msgavs politikosebs Se-

uZliaT brZola da mediaklima-

tis Secvla~, _ acxadebs eqs-

perti.

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egviptis dedaqalaqSi saprotesto

talRis xelaxla agorebis Semdeg,

arc samxedroebma, arc àxalgazrda

revolucionerebma da arc politi-

kurma Zalebma ar ician, rogor daam-

Svidon qveyana. axlandeli quCis bata-

liebi gagrZelebaa im aqciebisa, rom-

lebic 25 ianvars daiwyo da arsebi-

Tad 11 Tebervals mubaraqis damxobiT

ar dasrulebula. saqme is gaxlavT,

rom generlebma axalgazrda aqtivis-

tebs mohpares gamarjveba, romelic,

maTi azriT, ukve xelT aqvT. sinam-

dvileSi, mubaraqis reJimi ar dam-

xobila, man mxolod garegnuli

ieri icvala. revolucienerTa Sec-

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ri lideri, ar gaaCniaT politiku-

ri programa da eqspertizis unaric

ar SeswevT. guSindel revolucio-

nerebs ar ZaluZT warmatebis miRwe-

va politikuri fazis meore etapze

da am revoluciis tragizmi swored

es aris: reJimis mowinaaRmdegebs

araferi gaaCniaT imis garda, rom

sistemis daSla surT.

samxedroebisa da sazogadoebis

`Taflobis Tve~ dasrulda. manifes-

tantebi iTxoven samxedro xuntis ga-

dadgomas, erovnuli gadarCenis mTav-

robis Camoyalibebas da saprezidento

arCevnebis daniSvnas ara 2013, aramed

2012 wlis gazafxulze. mubaraqis

Semdeg Seqmnili 35 partia `saokeano~

manifestacias gegmavs _ liderebma ga-

dawyvites, manifestantebs `cocxal

farad~ daudgnen. 28 noembrisTvis da-

niSnul arCevnebSi gamarjvebis moime-

de islamistebi lodinis pozicias am-

jobineben. qveyanaSi Seqmnili qaosi

xmis micemas safrTxes uqmnis.

orSabaTs egviptis mTavrobam qvey-

nis droebiT mmarTvel organos _ Se-

iaraRebuli Zalebis umaRles sabWos

gadadgomis Sesaxeb Txovna warudgina,

ityobineba The New York Times. es mas

mere moxda, rac quCis saprotesto aq-

ciebis gasaneitralebel RonisZiebebs

adamianTa msxverpli mohyva. egviptis

momavali axlac iseTive burusiTaa

moculi, rogorc àrabuli gazafxu-

lis~ pirvel dReebSi iyo.

am mTavrobas, mubaraqis Canacvle-

bis Semdeg, gardamtexi politikuri

epoqisTvis Sesaferi roli unda Sees-

rulebina. ìslamistebi imedovnebdnen,

rom igi maleve moaxerxebda arCevnebis

daniSvnas, romelzec maTi momxreebi

gaimarjvebdnen. liberalebi ki, piri-

qiT fiqrobdnen da mTavroba islamis-

tTa Zlierebis sapirwoned miaCndaT.

obamas administracia maTSi partnio-

rebs xedavda da imedovnebda kidec,

rom amerikuli interesebis erTgulni

iqnebodnen~, _ vkiTxulobT werilSi.

TumcaRa, mTavrobis Txovna gadad-

gomis Sesaxeb morigi dartyma aRmoCn-

da SeiaraRebuli Zalebis umaRlesi

sabWosTvis, romlis legitimuroba

isedac ar iyo myari. Tan, es xdeba mu-

baraqis gadayenebis Semdgom daniSnul

pirvel saparalmento arCevnebamde er-

Ti kviriT adre.

islamisturi moZraoba `musulman-

Ta saZmo~ demonstrantebs mouwodeb-

da TavSekavebisken, raTaAarCevnebis Ta-

riRi ar Secvliliyo. sxva islamiste-

bi ki _ konservatorebica da `zomie-

rebic~ _ sekularul partiebTan er-

Tad `milionTa marSSi~ monawileoben

da samxedroebisgan samoqalaqo admi-

nistraciisTvis Zalauflebis gadaba-

rebas iTxoven.

egviptis jandacvis saministros

informaciiT, kairoSi samdRiani Seta-

kebebisas 30-mde adamiania daRupuli,

1500-ze meti _ dazaralebuli. yvela

politikuri Zala arCevnebis daniS-

nul dros Catarebas emxroba, Tumca

kerZo saubrebSi gamoTqvamen vara-

uds, rom areulobebis gamo SesaZ-

loa igi gadaitanon. ar aris gamo-

ricxuli, am ambavma kidev ufro ga-

amZafros isedac daZabuli viTare-

ba.

imavdroulad, politikosebi ka-

maToben imis Sesaxebac, Tu rogori

unda iyos samxedroebisgan samoqa-

laqoebisTvis Zalauflebis gadace-

mis meqanizmi.

`musulmanTa saZmo~ jerjero-

biT ise iqceva, TiTqos arCevnebi ar

gadaideba. isini tahriris moedanze

ar gamosulan da xalxis gverdiT

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vla surT~, _ sayvedurs gamoTqvamen

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zogierTi liberaluri partia mo-

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landeli mTavroba CaenacvlebinaT sa-

moqalaqo pirebiT dakompleqtebuli

axali gundiT, romelsac SeiaraRebu-

li Zalebis umaRlesi sabWosgan damo-

ukideblad SeeZleboda gadawyvetile-

bebis miReba.

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saqarTvelos xelisufleba cdilobs, biznesmens `frTebi Seakvecos~

internetmimoxilva moamzada

gulbaaT WavWavaZem.

revoluciis tragizmiprotesti mZafrdeba, egviptis mTavroba gadadga

`rusuli ucxouri legioni~ _ Tavxeduri

da carieli ideanatoSi ruseTis elCis dmitri rogozinis

CanafiqriT, `rusuli ucxouri legioni~ unda

gaxdes ruseTis SeiaraRebuli Zalebis nawili

da legionSi unda imsaxuron bulgarelebma da

serbebma, wers avtori werilisa, romelic da-

ibeWda gamocemaSi L’Occidentale.ìm momentSi, roca 22 aTasi serbi Txov-

niT mimarTavs ruseTs, mas balkanebisTvis sak-

maod eqstremaluri idea uCndeba. misi avtoria

natoSi ruseTis elCi rogozini, romelic

`rusuli ucxouri legionis~ Seqmnas imisTvis

iTxovs, rom aRmosavleT evropis qveynebSi ax-

leburi pozicia gaimyaron~, _ wers gamocema.

`rac Seexeba batalions, igi unda gaxdes

rusuli armiis nawili da franguli ucxouri

legionis msgavsad Camoyalibdes. rogozinis

TqmiT, es unda iyos `slavuri~ legioni, rom-

lis SemadgenlobaSi ruseTis moqalaqeobamiRe-

buli serbebi da bulgarelebi iqnebian. ambo-

ben, rom rogozinma am ideis Sesaxeb ruseTis

Tavdacvis ministr anatoli serdiukovTan im-

sjela~, _ wers werilis avtori.

`ruseTis sazogadoebriv-politikuri cen-

tris direqtori darwmunebulia, rom erov-

nul safuZvelze samxedro qvedanayofebis Ca-

moyalibeba SesaZloa, Zalzed saxifaTo aRmoC-

ndes. bulgaruli gamocema `dRiuris~ cnobiT,

bulgareTis sagareo saqmeTa saministro uars

acxadebs, rame komentari gaakeTos rogozinis

axal ideaze.

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da iusticiis saxlebis mimdebare teritoriaze

mravalsarTuliani korpusebis ezoebSi sadamsje-

lo RonisZiebebi Caetarebina da iq ganTavsebuli

kanonier sakuTrebaSi myofi Tu aseve unebarTvod

aSenebuli avtofarexebi miwasTan gaesworebina.

Sarval-kostumebSi gamowyobili adgilobrivi

samsaxurebi mosaxleobas Sexvdnen da 2-dRiani va-

da misces? sakuTari ZalebiT demontaJi moexdinaT

rogorc kapitaluri nagebobebis, ise liTonis kon-

struqciebisgan awyobili farexebis. winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, meriis warmomadgenlebi Tavad uzrun-

velyofdnen mZime teqnikis miyvanas adgilze da Tan

2000-2000 lariT daajarimebdnen mepatroneebs.

miuxedavad imisa, rom abaSiZis gamziri, rome-

lic ukve saqarTvelos parlamentis quTaisSi gad-

motanis Semdeg prestiJul dasaxlebad iqca, sadac

sacxovrebeli binebis fasmac katastrofulad mo-

imata, didi SesaZleblobis macxovreblebiT dasax-

lebuli ar aris. ZiriTadad, saSualo da saSua-

loze dabali Semosavlebis mobinadreebisaTvis, me-

riis mxridan gacemuli brZaneba - dajarimebuliy-

vnen 2000 lariT, maT saarsebo minimums 12-jer ma-

inc aRemateba. amitom iyo, rom meriis sadamsjelo

mstovrebs adgilobrivi mosaxleoba daupirispir-

da. Sexla-Semoxlis Semdeg sapatrulo ekipaJic

gamoiZaxes, rom situacia ar garTulebuliyo. bo-

los SeTanxmdnen, mosaxleoba sakuTari ZaliT

a i R e b d a

avtofare-

xebs da gahyidda mainc, rom cota mainc esargeb-

la. Tavis mxriv, xelisufleba, meore dRidanve

ezoebis galamazebaze izrunebda.

mas Semdeg ukve kvira gavida da jerjerobiT

adgilobriv mTavrobas dangreuli da nagvis kerad-

qceuli adgilebi arc mounaxulebia. mxolod man-

qanidan SeaTvalieres, Turme zedamxedvelobis sam-

saxuris warmomadgenlebma da manqanidanve gadasZa-

xes iq Sekrebil xalxs: àse ar jobia?! dagvije-

rebT – meigebT, ar dagvijerebT – waagebT!” am mo-

geba-wagebaSi ki quTaisis merias daaviwyda, rom

abaSiZis gamziri meore dResve hqonda mosawesrige-

beli. marTalia, erT dReSi ver daasrulebda, mag-

ram sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebis dawyeba SeeZlo.

ra mosatania, magram, roca xelisufali `raRa-

cas” angrevs da iq aseve `raRacis” aSenebas geg-

mavs, naklebad unda gvjerodes amis, radgan maga-

liTad, e.w. ninoSvilis skveric gamodgeba, rome-

lic bolos rodis gaiwminda nagvisgan, mosaxleo-

ba ver ixsenebs. skvers ar gaaCnia Zelskamebi da ga-

naTebis boZebi, mxolod epidemiis keraa da ambici-

ur pretenzias `sufTa qalaqze” naklebad akmayo-

filebs, Sesabamisad, roca “gasakeTebels” ver amC-

nev da skverSi, narevolucievi da “napatimrali”

cxvar-Zroxa giZovs balax-bulaxs, iqve cocxali

pirutyvis bazridan, modi da dagvajeros adgilob-

rivma mTavrobam, rom im avtofarexebis nangrevebze

raimes sasikeTos aSenebas apirebs.

miuxedavad didi mcdelobisa, aseve xangrZlivi

lodinisa, Tu ra pozicia aqvs jer am sadamsjelo

òperacia-garaJTan” quTaisis merias, an Tundac

axla, ̀ naxirosimal~ abaSiZis gamzirze ras gegmavs,

oficialurad gaurkvevli rCeba. meriis pressamsa-

xuri mxolod ramdenime winadadebiT Semoifargla:

__ kkiinnoo `̀ssuulliikkoossTTaann,,”” mmeerriiiiss nneebbaarrTTvviiTT mmoossaaxx-

lleeoobbaass aavvttooffaarreexxeebbii ddaaaannggrreevviinneess,, mmaarrTTaalliiaa,, bbeevv-

rrii uunneebbaarrTTvvoo iiyyoo,, bbeevvrriicc kkaannoonniieerr ssaakkuuTTrreebbaaSSii

mmqqoonnee,, mmaaggrraamm ddRReess rraa xxddeebbaa iiqq,, rraa kkeeTTddeebbaa??

_ ui, ar vici... gavikiTxav!

vikiTxav, visac eqneba komentari, mailze mome-

ci, an skaipSi kiTxvebi da pasuxebs mogawvdiT,

vinc gvipasuxebs, arqiteqtura iqneba Tu adminis-

traciuli zedamxedvelobis samsaxurebi.

-kkaarrggii,, ddaaggeellooddeebbii......

_ magram, jer ar vici, vinme Tu moindomebs ko-

mentaris gakeTebas!~

rogorc mosalodneli iyo, meriaSi Tema yurs

miRma gaatares. samagierod, mosaxleobasTan Sex-

vedris dros, nangrevebTan `̀TTaavviissuuffaallii ssaaqqaarrTTvvee-

llooss”” adgilobrivi lideri da eqs-parlamentari

ggooggii wwuullaaiiaa dagvxda da komentaric gaakeTa:

`_ es aris barbarosoba, esaa komunizmSi dab-

runeba, isini utevdnen kerZo sakuTrebas da im

gzas mihyveba saakaSvilis reJimi. romel kapita-

lizmzea saubari, adamianebis uflebebs fexqveS Te-

laven.

__ rraa iinnffoorrmmaacciiaass fflloobbTT,, rraa uunnddaa ggaakkeeTTddeess aamm

aaddggiillzzee??

_ me ramdenadac vici da ukve aqtiurad gamo-

Jona informaciam, radgan mimdebare teritoriaze

Sendeba parlamenti, iusticiis saxli da Zalaune-

burad es ubani garda gamococxlebisa, ekonomiku-

ri TvalsazrisiTac datvirTuli iqneba, adgilob-

rivi xelisufleba gegmavs komerciuli farTebis

aSenebas. sanam arian xelisuflebaSi, ratomac ar

daikanoneben ekonomikur wertilebs. ra mniSvnelo-

ba aqvs sidedrebis Tu sidedris debis, an Cemi me-

zoblis-cialas saxelze daaregistrireben? rode-

sac modis meria, geubneba Cems mier gacemuli qo-

nebis damadasturebeli dokumenti erT adgilze

gairWve, es teiroria Cven gvWirdeba da unda da-

vangrioTo, miTxariT erTi, es saxelmwifoa? mova

dro, aivseba am xalxis moTminebis fiala da miSas

da mis biWebs gaurWoben marTla erT adgilze sa-

arCevnod Camorigebul biuletenebs da mere naxos

am xelisuflebam xuTianze moxazva!”

miwasTan mosworebuli avtofarexebis nangre-

vebTan Sekrebili xalxi, romlebic adgilobrivi

mTavrobis am moulodnel gadawyvetilebas erTma-

neTSi ganixilavda, JurnalistebTan saubars gaur-

bian:

_ ara, Svilo, raRac, maTxovrul pensias maZ-

leven, isic ar Semiwyviton. 83 wlis kacs patro-

ni ki ar myavs? movardnen, ar daangrevT TqveniT,

Cven movaxtebiT traqtors da migilewavT yvela-

ferso. ra unda gveqna? is ori kapikic ar davkar-

geT, jarTSi CavabareT `garaJebi.” vzivarT axla am

nagavSi, virTxebi dagvesia da vTamaSobT dominos.

dRes glaxa fexze avdeqi, sul `pusta-pustaSi”

var..._wuwunebda yvelaze asakovani `zastaveli.”

_ marto dRes ki araa, rac miSa mevida, sul

`pustaSi” ar varT? ramdeni gvaq saTqmeli, mara 37

welze uaresia axla. quTaisis saSveli arasdros

ar iyo da arc iqneba-saubarSi CaerTo dominos

partniori mezobeli.

__ rraattoomm?? uubbaannSSii ggaavvlleenniiaannii `̀mmeezzoobblleebbii”” ggeeyyoo-

lleebbaaTT –– ppaarrllaammeennttii,, iiuussttiicciiaa,, mmTTaavvrroobbiiss ssaaxxllii......

_

_ au, TbilisSi Tu iyo aqamde, mito ar varT

aSenebulebi?! dagvaqcies da dagvingries yvelafe-

ri. axla am gamwarebul gulze am 83 wlis kacma

leqsebis wera deiwyo. midi ra, giorgiC, moyevi

Zmobas gaficebT.

_ kai, marto Sesavals vityvi maSin!

`mevida somexi, degveca sxva mexi,

mevida arabi – SeTxelda Rababi,

daaswro indoelma – gagvTela didoelma,

sadaa, qarTveli?! – degeca marTla mexi.

kido me unda mkiTxo, miSas `grexi?!”

dasrulebas ar aclian `giorgiCs” ise hyvebian

ubnis `birJavikebi” sicilSi TmaTeTr moxucs da

Tan hpirdebian: `geixare, zurgiani jorko Cemze

iyos, Tu am leqssTvis wagarTmevs binas mTavroba!"

zaza CubiniZe.ssppeecciiaalluurraadd `̀ssaaeerrTToo ggaazzeeTTiissTTvviiss~~

qquuTTaaiissiiddaann

gvesaubreba cnobili tele-

wamyvani nugzar juReli.

_ batono nugzar, didi xania

ar CanxarT arc teleekranebze da

arc radioSi. ratom?

_ movxucdi, albaT yavlic

gamivida, sxvisi ar vici, magram

Cvens saqmianobaSi axalgazrdoba

unda movides, maT Cagvanacvlon,

rodesac berdebi, mexsiereba,

mxedveloba da bevri faqtori

gRalatobs. jobia, msmenels, ma-

yurebels axsovde iseTi, rogo-

ric iyavi Seni Semoqmedebis pikis

dros da ara daberebuli, dauZ-

lurebuli. amitom varCie wasvla.

_ batono nugzar, dRes qar-

Tul sazogadoebaSi sxvadasxvag-

vari Sexedulebebia biZina ivaniS-

vilis preskonferenciaze, sainte-

resoa Tqveni, rogorc gamocdili

da profesionalis azri am mov-

lenaze.

_ is ymawvili Jurnalistebi

darwmunebuli var viRacis samsa-

xurSi arian, viRac ufross emsa-

xurebian, magram, rogor moiwo-

nebs is Tavad, misi STamomavali,

sxva sakiTxia. yovelgvari gada-

Warbebis gareSe getyviT _ afe-

rum, batoni biZina ivaniSvilis

vaJkacobas. igi ar ahyva aranair

provokacias, Tavi Rirseulad

eWira da rac mTavaria, gauZlo

am Semotevas. Cemi piradi azriT,

batoni biZina ivaniSvilis damsa-

xurebaa, rom kidev ufro mZaf-

rad ar gamoCnda maTi umsgavsoba.

_ batono nugzar, rom Seva-

daroT dRevandeli dRe da Tqve-

ni dro, ra gansxvavebas xedavT?

_ ar dagimalavT, Cvens dros

did marwuxebSi viyaviT. mogvdio-

da instruqcia, Tundac imaze, Tu

rogor wagveyvana fexburTis re-

portaJi, magram iseTi bumberazi

xalxi, rogorebic iyvnen erosi

manjgalaZe, kote maxaraZe, rom-

lebic muSaobdnen sportul ko-

mentatorebad, SeuZlebeli iyo

ar gadmogdeboda maTi madli, Se-

marTeba. maxsovs is periodic,

70-iani wlebis bolos dagvava-

les rusulad gamogvacxadebina

matCebis ZiriTadi momentebi _

dro, angariSi. radiokomitetis

Tavmjdomarem sastikad amikrZa-

la: eTerSi rusulad araferi

Tqvao _ arada, mTeli kavkasiis

samxedro olqi Cven gvismenda.

erTs erTi undoda, meores meore.

ase iyo, magram Cven Cvens saxes

ar vkargavdiT. Sedarebas gulis-

xmobda Tqveni kiTxva, axla yve-

lanair wnexisgan Tavisufali

arian Cveni Jurnalistebi. Teori-

ulad mainc, magram ra

xdeba? Tavad mikvirs,

Cven dros didi yuradRe-

ba qarTul enas eqceoda.

qarTuli enis wamyvani

specialistebi modiodnen

televiziaSi da gvmoZRv-

ravdnen. axla msgavsi ram,

rbilad rom giTxraT,

cotaa.

Cemi Taobis komenta-

torebi jamleT xuxaSvi-

li, tato lasxiSvili,

Temur jafariZe da yvela,

miuxedavad imisa, rom

ukve wamyvani reportio-

rebi viyaviT, mainc mudam

vmecadineobdiT, vswavlobdiT.

gaxsovT, TbilisSi dadioda ga-

moTqma, nugzar juRelma Tqva re-

portaJSi `moedanze arian qarT-

veli kalaTburTelebi: `boroda-

Covi, milovidovi, kapustinio~.

arada qveynis maSindeli pirveli

piri jumber patiaSvili stumrad

kalaTburTelTa bazaze iyo da

rom gadaxeda Semadgenlobas

Tqva, nugzar juReli ase ityo-

dao. mas mere momaweres es fra-

zac. rac Seexeba baton jumbers,

bevr Tbil sityvas imsaxurebs.

erTxel, rostovidan minskSi miv-

diodiT sakavSiro Cempionatze,

bileTebis da gamgzavrebis prob-

lema dadga, rom ar Cavsuliya-

viT, wageba eTvleboda `dinamos~.

levan moseSvilma mTxova damere-

ka jumber patiaSvilTan. didi

xvewnis Semdeg gavriske da davu-

reke. àr inerviuloT, yvelaferi

kargad iqeba~-o, miTxra da marT-

lac, erTi saaTis Semdeg ros-

tovSi Camofrinda TviTmfinavi,

romelmac minskSi gadaiyvana gun-

di.

_ batono nugzar, modiT, gu-

laxdilad gviTxariT, rogor

afasebT dRevandel viTarebas da

gansakuTrebiT biZina ivaniSvilis

politikur arenaze gamoCenas?

_ ar dagimalavT da albaT,

gaxsovT kidec, mixeil saakaSvi-

li rom movida qveynis saTaveSi,

maSin marTlac pirvelad Camesaxa

imedi, rom gveSveleboda. maSin,

misi pirveli gamosvlebi imediT

aRmavsebda. gvaxsovs misi erT-er-

Ti pirveli gamgzavreba da vizi-

ti ruseTSi, rodesac man xalx-

Tan erTad imgzavra. Tavad rusu-

li presac am movlenas farTod

aSuqebda, rom rogorc iqna, movi-

da Tundac erTi adamiani qveynis

saTaveSi, romelic xalxTan ari-

so. mec Camesaxa imedi. rom movi-

da qveynis saTaveSi kaci, rome-

lic daicavs, aaRorZinebs xalx-

sac da qveyanasac, Turme mwared

Sevcdi. rac baton biZina ivaniS-

vils gaukeTa amazrzenia, adamian-

ma, romelmac miliardnaxevari

daxarja sakuTar qveyanaSi qvel-

moqmedebis saxiT da moqalaqeobas

waarTmev? es igivea, morwmunes

jvari Camoglijo, mRvdeli gak-

riWo. waarTves moqalaqeoba amis-

Tana adamians. erTs getyviT,

RmerTma qnas, am ukanasknelma

imedma CemisTana xalxs ar uRa-

latos da darCes naTel svetad

saqarTvelos istoriaSi.

gia burduli

nugzar juReli: nugzar juReli:

`biZina ivaniSvils rom moqalaqeoba waarTva,

es igivea morwmunes jvari Camoaglijo...~

`mevida somexi, degveca sxva mexi, ...kido me unda mkiTxo,miSas `grexi?!~


gvesaubreba socialuri ekono-

mikis eqsperti oTar xufenia.

_ batono oTar, xelisufleba

xSirad aRniSnavs, rom ekonomikur

aRmasvlaSi badali ar gvyavs. ra

viTarebaa realurad, male parla-

menti 2012 wlis biujets daamt-

kicebs, ramdenad asaxulia masi

ekonomikuri aRmasvlebi?

_ amJamad debatebi mimdinare-

obs 2012 wlis biujetis Taobaze.

finansTa saministros mier biuje-

tis proeqtis meore varianti, ise

rogorc pirveli, dauzustebelia.

xelisufleba apiarebs TiTqos sa-

qarTveloSi ekonomikuri krizisi

ar aris, Turme mTeli msoflios

ekonomika CamoSlilia, Cveni ki

izrdeba, rac samwuxarod realo-

bas ar Seesabameba _ biujetis

proeqtis xarisxobrivi maCvenebe-

li sxva rameze metyvelebs. Tqvens

yuradRebas sam ZiriTad parametr-

ze gavamaxvileb, esenia: I. saSemo-

savlo gadasaxadi, romelic, praq-

tikulad qveyanaSi samuSao adgi-

lebis da xelfasebis zrdas adas-

turebs. mogaxsenebT ra realobaa

CvenTan _ 2011 wels 2010 welTan

SedarebiT saSemosavlo gadasaxadi

292 milioni lariT, xolo 2012

wels igi 119 milioni lariT ga-

izrdeba, anu dRevandelTan Seda-

rebiT 173 milioni lariT nakle-

bi zrdaa. am cifrebiT Tu vimsje-

lebT, 2012 wels mosalodneli

ar aris arc samuSao adgilebis,

arc saSualo xelfasis zrda da

arc dasaqmebis sakiTxis mogvareba.

II. qveyanSi ekonomikuri aqtiuro-

bis zrdis kuTxiT 2012 wels Sem-

degi viTarebaa _ 2011 wels 2010

welTan SedarebiT damatebiTi Ri-

rebulebis gadasaxadi 527 milio-

niT gaizarda, xolo 2012 wels

igi mxolod 250 milioni lariT

gaizrdeba, anu zrda ganaxevrebu-

lia. III. rac Seexeba mogebis gada-

saxads, anu ekonomikis efeqtiano-

bis erT-erT ZiriTad parametrs,

aqac, 2011 wels zrda iyo 128 mi-

lioni lari, xolo 2012 wels

mxolod 117 milioni lariT gaiz-

rdeba. am samive parametrs Tu Se-

vajamebT, cxadia, rom absolutu-

ri moculobebis zrda ganaxevre-

bulia. es niSnavs mxolod da mxo-

lod imas, rom ekonomikaSi moma-

val wels raime seriozuli wins-

vla ar gveqneba. aqve minda aRvniS-

no, `nac.moZraobis~ zogierTi sam-

xreebiani eqsperti ambobs, rom

radganac naklebi gadasaxadebi

amogvaqvs, es ekonomikaSi rCebao.

calsaxaa, rom mogebac da saSemo-

savlo gadasaxadis nawilic mxo-

lod da mxolod monopolizebul

ekonomikebSi rCeba da ara wvril

da saSualo anu im biznesSi, ro-

melic wesiT yvelaze mniSvnelova-

ni unda iyos qveynis ekonomikuri

mdgradobisTvis. 2011 wlis abso-

lutur zrdas 2012 wlis mosa-

lodnel zrdas Tu SevadarebT mi-

viRebT minus 608 milion lars,

rac aseve dasturia imisa, rom

ekonomikis araviTar ayvavebasTan

saqme ar gvaqvs.

_ rac Seexeba sapensio da so-

cialur uzrunvelyofas ra cvli-

lebebia am kuTxiT biujetSi. pre-

zidentma 2012 wlis seqtembridan

67 wlis zemoT asakis pensione-

rebs pensiis momatebas dapirda.

asaxulia es bijetis proeqtSi?

_ sapensio uzrunvelyofisa

da socialuri daxmarebebis, anu

`siRaribis programis~ xarjebi

2012 wlis biujetSi izrdeba,

rac jamSi 194 milion lars Se-

adgens. es TiTqos erTi SexedviT

didi zrdaa, magram Tu am yvela-

fers realurad ganvixilavT, sak-

maod dasafiqrebel cifrebs mivi-

RebT. kerZod, roca xelisufleba

ambobs gavzrdiT SromiT pensias,

romelic 125 lars plius 15 la-

riani janmrTelobis dazRvevis

poliss gautoldebao, martiv eS-

makobasa da cifrebiT manipulaci-

asTan gvaqvs saqme. erTi SexedviT,

2012 wels mimdinare welTan Se-

darebiT sapensio xarjebi TiTqos

88 milioni lariT izrdeba, magram

aqedan 3-4 mimdinare wels 10+20

lariani pensiebis momatebis dafi-

nansebaze daixarjeba. realurad

2012 wlis seqtembridan 67 wels

zemoT asakis SromiT pensioners

moemateba 15-20 laramde da dau-

rigdebaT 15 lariani e.w. janmrTe-

lobis dazRvevis polisi. xeli-

sufleba misTvis Cveuli piar-kam-

paniis miRma malavs, rom Tundac

aseTi mcire momateba ar Seexeba

240 aTasamde SromiT pensioners,

110 aTasze met SezRuduli SesaZ-

leblobebis mqone pirs, 30 aTasam-

de marCenaldakargul pensioners

da 2000-ze met polit-represire-

bul pirs, anu 390 aTasze meti

adamiani xelisuflebis `wyalo-

bis~ miRma rCeba. xelisufleba mo-

saxleobas, aseve umalavs imasac,

rom 120 aTasze meti SromiTi pen-

sioneri ukve Rebulobs 10 lari-

an danamats da isini momavali

wlis bolo 4 TveSi miiReben 60

larian `wyalobas~, rac inflaci-

is gaTvaliswinebiT 45 larze me-

ti ver iqneba. aqve unda aRiniSnos

kidev erTi _ 2012 wels janmrTe-

lobis dazRvevis polisebis `bi-

Tumad~ Sesyidvis xarjebi 106 mi-

lioni lariT izrdeba. xelisuf-

lebam ukve daapiara, rom 670 aTa-

si pensioneris da 50 aTasamde 6

wlamde asakis bavSvebis janmrTe-

loba dazRveuli iqneba. xelisuf-

leba aqac tyuis, kerZod, am

kontingentidan 220 aTasze

meti adamiani ukve dazRveu-

lia, e.w. `siRaribis zRvris

programiT~. ufro metic,

2012 wlis bijetis, e.w.

prioritetebis danarTSi

aseTi aqtebis damadasture-

beli Canaweric ar arsebobs.

sasaciloa, magram faqtia,

finansTa saministro gveub-

neba _ aseTi Sesworebebi

momaval proeqtSi iqnebao.

gamodis, rom xelisuflebis

mier gapiarebuli sapensio

paketi srulad ar aris da-

finansebuli. yvelasTvis

kargadaa cnobili im elita-

ruli korufciuli Waobis

Sesaxeb, rac saxelmwifos

mier polisebis Sesyidvasa

da darigebas ukavSirdeba.

cnobilia isic, rom xeli-

suflebas am maxinj sistemaSi

cvlileba ar Seutania, rac niS-

navs, rom momaval wels es 106 mi-

lioni lari elitaruli koruf-

ciis damatebiTi wyaro gaxdeba. aq-

ve minda aRvniSno, rom sapensio

paketis cnebas civiluri samyaro

saerTod ar icnobs. es arcaa ga-

sakviri imitom, rom saqarTvelo-

Si pensiis cnebasac, rogorc es

xelisuflebas esmis, analogi ar

gaaCia. zemoT moyvanili cifrebi

cxadhyofs, rom es paketi forma-

luria. magaliTad, xelisufleba

saubrobs garkveul SekrebiToba-

ze, vTqvaT pensias damatebuli po-

lisi udris sapensio pakets. ase-

Tive `warmatebiT~ SegviZlia Sev-

kriboT SromiTi pensia, siRaribis

Semweobebi, transportis, komuna-

luri gadasaxadebis SeRavaTebi da

maTi SekrebiTobiT àRvasruloT~

miSas danapirebi 100 dolariani

viTom sapensio paketi. realurad,

am yvelafers araviTari kavSiri

ar aqvs mosaxleobis sapensio uz-

runvelyofasTan. ufro metic, xe-

lisuflebis sapensio paketi im

pakets hgavs, rac xalxma mtkvar-

ze gadebul SuSis xids uwoda.

`nac.moZraobis~, xelisuflebis

socialuri politikis Sedegad,

maT es paketi namdvilad sWirde-

baT. es kidev araferi, saqme gvaqvs

kidev ufro did kuriozTan _ ro-

ca xelisufleba gaiZaxoda 670

aTas pensioners pensia moematebao,

aRmoCnda, rom rodesac parlamen-

ti 2012 wlis biujetis proeqtis

meore variants ixilavda, es cif-

rebi gawerilic ki ar iyo. finan-

sTa ministrma gvindaZem ganacxada

_ mesamed rom SemovitanT biuje-

tis proeqts, es cifrebi iq iqne-

ba gawerilio. sasaciloa satira-

li rom ar iyos. `nac.moZraobis~

deputats vekiTxebi _ ras ixilav-

diT, aba, batonebo Tqven, Tu Tan-

xebi jer gawerili ar iyo da es

sakiTxi mxolod prezidentis da

premieris verbaluri dapirebebiT

Semoifargleboda?! es araserio-

zuli midgomaa, ase ar SeiZleba

moeqce biujets, romelic yvela

qveyanaSi konkretuli wlis Ziri-

Tadi ekonomikuri da finansuri

kanonia. Cemi azriT, roca sami ka-

ci verbalur dapirebebs iZleva,

rac realur gaTvlaze dafuZnebu-

li ar aris, es biujetis Sedgena

ki ara, cifrebiT manipulirebis

Wra-kervis skolaa, rasac biuje-

tis formirebis procesTan saer-

To araferi aqvs.

_ xelisuflebis mier Ratak

beneficiarebze zrunvam polisebis

darigebis kuTxiT, davinaxeT rom

Sedegi ver moitana. ratom uSvebs

xelisufleba igive Secdomas, ram-

denad sworad daixarjeba am fon-

ze gamoyofili 106 milioni la-

ri?

_ e.w. janmrTelobis dazRve-

vis polisebis `biTumad~ Sesyid-

vis elitaruli korufciis Sesa-

xeb kontrolis palatam sazoga-

doeba ukve gaafrTxila. Tumca, am

faqtze arc sadazRvevo kompanieb-

ma, arc jandacvis saministrom,

arc Tavad kontrolis palatam da

arc sazogadoebam saTanado reagi-

reba ar moaxdina. iciT, rom am Te-

maze Sesabamisi struqturebidan

dRemde ar gakeTebula komentari.

maSin, roca am meqanizmSi, rogorc

zemoT aRvniSne araviTari cvli-

leba ar momxdara, maSin damatebiT

kidev ratom vyidulobT 106 mi-

lioni laris janmrTelobis

dazRvevis polisebs? es Tanxa xom

ar aris gamiznuli pirdapir ko-

rufciul WaobSi CasaSvebad da

visac ankesebi gaaCnia, maT mier

aTeulobiT milionebis ukan amosa-

Rebad?! Cemi azriT, swored ase

moxdeba.

_ da bolos, batono oTar xe-

lisuflebis gadawyvetileba moma-

vali wlis seqtembridan mxolod

67 wels zemoT myof pensionerebs

moumaton pensia, ramdenad samarT-

liania da riT aris es ganpirobe-

buli?

_ Tu polisebis `biTumad~

Sesyidva federaluri xelisufle-

bis anu Sromis, janmrTelobisa da

socialuri dacvis saministros

saqmianobaa, ratom yidulobs qa-

laqis meria 16 milioni laris

aseT polisebs? icis ki vinmem,

rom 10-12 kaciani struqtura

uruSaZis saministroSi ra meTo-

debiT, ra xerxebiT SeZlebs 1.400

aTasi polisis darigebis Semdeg

gaakontrolos mxareTa interese-

bis dabalanseba. subsidirebis saa-

gentos xelmZRvanelma aRniSna 4

aTasi zari Semovida beneficiare-

bisgan cxel xazzeo. ra gamodis,

rom 1 milioni beneficiaridan mx-

olod 4 aTasia ukmayofilo? gar-

wmunebT, am beneficiarTa 90 pro-

centma dResac ar icis ra qaRal-

di aqvT saxlSi. e.w. polisis sa-

xiT. araerTxel miTqvams, saqarT-

veloSi sapensio uzrunvelyofisa

da siRaribis zRvars qvemoT myof-

Ta programis sistema sxva arafe-

ria Tu ara 21-e saukunis seTu-

rizmi, anu mama-marCenalis kompl-

eqsis praqtikuli realizacia. Se-

kiTxvaze _ mxolod momavali

wlis seqtembridan ratom umatebT

pensionerebs pensiebso, da isic 67

wels zeviT, premiers wamoscda _

es Cveni finansuri SesaZleblobi-

dan optimaluri gadawyvetile-

baao. vsvam kiTxvas _ momaval

wels kidev ufro naklebi resur-

si rom eqnebaT, ras izamen _ 90

wels gadacilebul pensionerebs

moumateben mxolod pensias?! am

seTurizmis dangrevis erTaderTi

aprobirebuli, civiluri gza sa-

xelmwifo socialuri dazRvevis

sistemis aRdgenaa. dRes, varT er-

TaderTi qveyana post.socialis-

tur sivrceSi, romelsac saval-

debulo saxelmwifo socialuri

dazRveva ar gaaCnia. es imis Sede-

gia, rom `vardosnebma~ am 8 wlis

manZilze Seqmnes Sps `saqarTve-

lo~, anu SezRuduli pasuxismgeb-

lobis saxelmwifo. SezRuduli

pasuxismeblobis saxelmwifoebs ki

erisa da qveynis winaSe upasuxis-

mgeblo adamianebi qmnian. am saxel-

mwifos sakuTari xalxis mimarT

pasuxismgebloba SezRuduli aqvs.

Tamar SveliZe

2013 wels xelisufleba pensiebs 90 wels gadacilebul pensionerebs moumatebs?!

saparlamento fraqciis _ èrToba samar-

TlianobisTvis~ _ Tavmjdomare, partia “Tavi-

sufali demokratebis” wevri giorgi cagare-

iSvili 45-660 wlamde asakis pirebis dasaqme-

basTan dakavSirebul sakanonmdeblo inicia-

tivas winasaarCevno gadawyvetilebad afasebs.

man Sesabamisi gancxadeba parlamentis dRes

gamarTul plenarul sxdomaze sagadasaxdo ko-

deqsSi cvlilebebis proeqtis ganxilvisas gaa-

keTa, romlis Tanaxmadac, Tu 45-ddan 60 wlam-

de pirebi 2011 wlis 1 ianvridan 1 ivlisamde

dasaqmdebian, maTi xelfasi saSemosavlo gadasa-

xadiT erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi ar daibegreba.

cagareiSvilis TqmiT, es politikurad

motivirebuli gadawyvetilebaa, radgan xeli-

suflebas am kategoriis adamianebi aqamde ara-

sodes gaxsenebia. metic, saakaSvili maT Tavis

droze `Carecxilebsac~ ki uwodebda.

`mainteresebs, sad iyo saqarTvelos xeli-

sufleba 2007-22010 wlebSi? maSin ar iyo

umuSevroba? es aris pirdapir asakobrivi dis-

kriminacia da misi mizani “nacionaluri moZ-

raobis” mier amgvari dausabuTebeli cvlile-

bebiT damatebiTi xmebis mopovebis survilia~,

– ganacxada giorgi cagareiSvilma.

mis mosazrebas finansTa ministris moadgi-

le rusudan kemularia ar daeTanxma. misi TqmiT,

diskriminaciaze saubari zedmetia, radgan aRniS-

nuli iniciativa SeRavaTs iTvaliswinebs.

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom aris aRebuli

dasaqmebis vadad 1 ianvridan 1 ivlisamde ar-

sebuli periodi, kemularias ganmartebiT, Se-

RavaTi mudmivad ver iqneba. winaaRmdeg SemTx-

vevaSi, mas biujetis saSemosavlo nawilSi se-

riozuli kleba mohyveba.

àr SeiZleba, SeRavaTi iseTi iyos, rome-

lic ekonomikurad da fiskalurad ukuSedegs

gamoiRebs~, _ aRniSna rusudan kemulariam.

`medianiusi~

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biZina ivaniSvilis moqala-

qeobis aRdgenasTan dakavSire-

biT sazogadoebaSi, solidaro-

bis niSnad, xelmowerebis Seg-

roveba daiwyo. am mizniT Seiq-

mna ,,samoqalaqo erTobis fr-

onti~, romlis wevrebma sul

ramodenime dReSi aTi aTasobiT

xelmowera ukve Seagroves.

Temis irgvliv ,,saerTo ga-

zeTs~ ,,samoqalaqo erTobis

frontis~ wevri da arasamTav-

robo organizaciis ,,gadaarCine

sicocxle~ axalgazrduli

frTis lideri mixeil mum-laZe esaubra.

_ `gadaarCine sicocxlis~

iniciativiT biZina ivaniSvilis

mxardasaWerad xelmowerebis

Segroveba daiwyo. mxardaWera

105-ma arasamTavrobom ukve ga-

mogvicxada da erToblivi Za-

lebiT CamovayalibeT samoqala-

qo erTobis fronti.

vTvliT, rom samebis saka-

Tedro taZris aRmSenebels,

uamravi istoriuli Zeglis

gadamrCenels da mravali sasi-

keTo saqmis gamkeTebels sa-

qarTvelos moqalaqeoba auci-

leblad unda hqondes. sain-

teresoa, aqamde sad iyvnen mi-

Sas kacebi, roca ivaniSvili

wlebis ganmavlobaSi afinan-

sebda. axla gaxda maTTvis da

saqarTvelosTvis mteri da

ruseTis agenti? aucilebelia

qarTvelma xalxma viswavloTY

solidaroba, erTmaneTis mxar-

Si dgoma, winaaRmdeg SemTxve-

vaSi, saqarTvelo win ver wa-

va.

_ mxolod xelmowerebis

SegrovebiT apirebT solidaro-

bas Tu sxva gegemebic gaqvT?

_ cnobilia, rom ,,aversis~,

,,psp~ da ,,visolis~ xelmZRva-

nelobam ,,qarTudan~ angariSebi

e.w miSas bankebSi gadaitanes.

vapirebT sazogadoebas movuwo-

doT solidarobis niSnad vi-

solis benzingasamarT sadgu-

rebze ar Caasxan sawvavi.

_ rogor fiqrobT, sazoga-

doeba mxardaWeras gamogicxa-

debT?

_ xalxis Tanadgomis didi

imedi gvaqvs. 5 000 adamianma

gamoTqva survili xelmowere-

bis SegrovebaSi dagvexmaros,

15 000 xelmosaweri blanki

ukve gatanilia. sazogadoebis

erTad dgoma, solidaroba da

TanagrZnoba yovelTvis Sedegis

momtani iqneba, erTmaneTis lan-

ZRva_gineba ki kargs arafers

moutans arc saqarTvelos da

arc qarTvelebs.

_ Tu apirebT, konsultaci-

ebs politikuri partiebis

axalgazrdul organizacieb-

Tan?

_ amis saSualebas maT po-

litikuri koniunqtura ar aZ-

levT, amisTvis aucilebelia

politikuri partiis lidereb-

ma miiRon gadawyvetileba. mar-

Talia biznesmeni didi xnis

ganmavlobaSi exmareboda miSas

mTavrobas, magram mTavaria,

adamianma droulad dainaxos

Secdoma da gamoasworos.

_ biZina ivaniSvili qarTve-

lebisTvis qarTuli ocnebis

axdenas apirebs, rogor warmo-

gidgeniaT qarTul ocneba, ra-

ze unda gakeTdes aqcentebi?

_ qarTuli ocnebis asru-

leba mxolod imas ar iTvalis-

winebs, rom ivaniSvils 6 mili-

ardiani qoneba gaaCnia, mxolod

am formiT qarTvelebis ocnebe-

bi ver axdeba. qarTveli kacis

ocneba mxolod im SemTxvevaSi

asruldeba Tu ivaniSvili Seq-

mnis konkurentul garemos, sa-

marTlian saxelmwifos, samu-

Sao adgilebs da a. S.

ra Tqma unda, idealuri ga-

remocva ar arsebobs, vTxov bi-

Zina ivaniSvils mousminos yve-

las, Tumca gadawyvetilebebi

mxolod Tavad miiRos. rac

mTavaria, mudmivad hqondes

xalxTan urTierToba.

_ sazogadoebSi gaCnda az-

ri, rom Tqveni aqtivoba mxo-

lod da mxolod biznesmenisgan

fulis miRebis SeaZleblobas

emsaxureba?

_ msgavsi azri Tavadac mo-

vismine, Tumca Cveni qmedeba

mTlianad enTuziazmzea dafuZ-

nebuli da ivaniSvilisgan dax-

marebas aravin elodeba. Cven am

saqmiT mxolod da mxolod

ivaniSvilis saqmes ar vakeTebT,

upirvelesad, sazogadoebaSi

solidarobis, Tanadgomis, gan-

cdas vnergavT. sainteresoa,

gaRatakebulma qarTvelebma ra

raodenobis anabari unda gaxs-

nas ,,qarTuSi~, rom banki ga-

darCinon? aq mniSvnelovani so-

lidarobaa.

_ cnobilia, rom nacmoZra-

obis warmomadgenlebi Tqveni

saxeliT xelmowerebs agrove-

ben. rogor apirebT problemis

mogvarebas?

_ Temqaze momxdar faqts

getyviT: nacionaluri moZrao-

bis wevrma mTeli sadarbazos

mosaxleobas xeli moawerina da

xelmowerili blanki policia-

Si Caitana, policiis warmoma-

dgenlebma ki Temqis mosaxleo-

bas sityvieri Seuracxyofa mi-

ayenes. Cven, visac xels vaweri-

nebT, vafrTxilebT, rom sxva-

ganac ar hqondeT xelmowera

radgan maTi xma baTilad ar Ca-

iTvalos. Tu vinme raime saeW-

vos SeamCnevs, SeuZlia mogv-

marTos ,,jazuSi~ da am infor-

macias aucileblad gadavamow-

mebT.

miranda nabaxteveli

biZina ivniSvilismxardasaWerad samoqalaqo

erTobis fronti Seiqmna

eqimebis daskvniT, sadgur `samt-

redia-22~-iis teritoriaze aRiniSneba

radiaciuli dabinZureba. medikose-

bis daskvniT am adgilebSi aris mag-

nituri veli, aqedan mimdinareobs

damwvrobac, risi mizezicaa damwv-

robebi da sxvadasxva simsivnuri da-

avadebebi. rkinigzis xelmZRvaneloba

saqmis kursSia, magram ar reagirebs,

_ acxadebs samtrediis rkinigzis

yofili TanamSromeli jumberpertenava.

daTxovnebi mizezebisa

da gafrTxilebebis gareSe

samtrediis rkinigzis saTadari-

go morige merab TargamaZe saStato

erTeulis gauqmebis motiviT gaaTa-

visufles samsaxuridan. sinamdvile-

Si 4 saStato erTeuli ucvleli

darCa. mis adgilze sxva miiRes. 2

mcirewlovani Svilis mama umuSeva-

ri datoves. mizezi Semdgom gairkva

daTxovnili rkinigzeli profkavSi-

rebis gamgeobis wevri iyo, man ara-

erTgzis daayena mwvave moTxovnebi

administraciis winaSe, kolegebis

socialuri pirobebis gaumjobesebis

Taobaze. mouwesrigebelia tualete-

bi, morige memanqaneebis mosacdeli

oTaxebi. gadasaxalisebelia samuSao

teqnika, problemebis saaSkaraoze

gamotanis gamo simarTlis mTqmeli

samsaxuridan moxsnes. yvelas, vinc

ki raime pretenzias gamoTqvams, ka-

rebisken uTiTeben, _ gviTxres rki-

nigzis profkavSirebSi.

muSebi xelsawyoebs

sakuTari fuliT yiduloben

profesiul kavSirebSi isic Tq-

ves, rom sadgurebis morigeebis ab-

solutur umetesobas ara aqvs spe-

ctansacmeli, igrZnoba individua-

luri dacvis saSualebebis naklebo-

ba. Casacmelis, iseve rogorc, samu-

Sao iaraRebis SeZenas TanamSrom-

lebs avaleben. mZime mdgomareobaa

moZravi Semadgenlobebis gamarTu-

lobis kuTxiTac. es ki riskis qveS

ayenebs, rogorc xelmZRvaneli aseve

momsaxure personalis uSiSroebas.

vinc dasaxelebuli sakiTxebi win

wamowion, yvela gaanTavisufles,

acxadebs rkinigzis profkavSirebis

gamgeobis wevri kaxa kaxaZe. ganTavi-

suflebulTaTvis kadrebis sammarT-

veloSi erTi pasuxi aqvT. _ Sromis

kodeqsis 37-e muxli. romlis mi-

xedviTac damqiravbels yovelgvari

winaswari gafrTxilebis gareSe aqvs

ufleba gawyvitos kontraqti daqi-

ravebulTan. (sxvaTaSoris kanoni am

monur cvlilebas `nacumravlobas-

Tan~ erTad parlamentSi myofma e.w.

opoziciurma partiebmac dauWires

mxari). masmediasTan saubarSi rki-

nigzis administracia acxadebs, rom

Semcirebebi rkinigzaze tvirTbrun-

vebis klebiTaa gamowveuli, amis ga-

mo maT amgvari TanamSromeli aRar

sWirdebaT.

profkavSirebis liderebTan sa-

ubarSi isic gairkva, rom rkinigza-

Si moqmedebs uvado e.w. mudmivi

xelSekrulebis wesi, rac kanonis

uxeSi darRvevaa. profesionalTa

ganmartebiT, am kontraqtze xelis

mowera mxolod administraciis

rCeulTa xvedria. profesiuli kav-

Siris aqtivistebi arc imas malaven,

rom rkinigza mdidari organizaciaa.

aqvs mogeba, romelic infrastruq-

turis gaumjobesebis nacvlad `ger-

buSkis~ jibeebSi ileqeba. fantasti-

kuri premiebi iwereba xelmZRvanel-

TaTvis. Tanxebis urTierTgacemaze

erTi da igive pirebi aweren xels.

marto SarSan premialurebis saxiT

250 aTas larze meti gaica. waxali-

sebulTa Soris Tvalis asaxvevad 1-

2 muSas Tu gamoureven da raRac

150-200 lars Tu gaimeteben. maSin,

rodesac TviTon 4-5 aTasiani xel-

fasis tol Tanxebs iweren grafa-

Sic, sxvadasxva danaxarjebi, gasava-

li 10 aTasobiT laria. zemdgomebi

yvelafers asaidumloeben. xmis

amomRebs ki... _ acxadeben `saqarTve-

los rkinigzis~ profkavSirebSi.

is, rom rkinigzis xelmZRvane-

lobis gundi mTlad sinqronulad

ver muSaobs, muSa-mosamsaxureTa

ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb gakeTebu-

li gancxadebebidanac sCans. Tu ad-

ministracia ambobs, rom xalxis sam-

saxuridan gaSvebis ZiriTadi mizezi

tvirTbrunvis Semcirebaao, pres-

samsaxurSi miaCniaT, rom kompania

warmatebulad viTardeba da siste-

matiurad axdens struqturul op-

timizacias nebismier doneze, raTa

struqtura ufro moqnili gaxdes.

es ki gulisxmobs samuSao adgile-

bis Semcirebas, magram, samagierod,

iqmneba axali samuSao adgilebi,

konkurenciis wesiT xdeba vakansie-

bis Sevseba. momaval TanamSromelTa

SerCeva, mxolod yofil Tu moqmed

krinigzelTa Soris xdeba. amJamad,

acxadeben rkinigzis sazogadoebas-

Tan urTierTobis samsaxurSi, kompa-

nia 2,8 mld laris investiciebs

axorcielebs. damatebiT dasaqmdeba

6 aTasamde adamiani.

vagoni mihqris

rkinigzis xelmZRvaneloba Ziri-

Tadad tvirTebis gadazidvazea ori-

entirebuli. naklebad adardebT Si-

da samgzavro gadazidvebi. isini xom

tvirTebTan SedarebiT naklebad

momgebiania. transportelebi qveynis

umaRles xelmZRvanelobasac atyue-

ben, rodesac upatakeben maT, rom

mgzavrTa gadayvanis raodenobam Se-

madgenlobebis 100 procents miaR-

wia, xdeba aseTi ram, gamwevs (elma-

vals, Tmobavals) Caabamen zugdidis,

foTis, senakis, ozurgeTis vagonebs

(1-2 SesaZoa 3-ic). samtrediidan

xdeba Semadgenlobebis qalaqebis mi-

marTulebiT Camoxsna, amiT rkinigza

ramodenime kurdRels klavs, zogavs

eleqtroenergias, sawvav-sapoxs, am-

cireben muSaxelsa da momsaxure

persoals, xelisuflebas ki upata-

keben, rom Semadgenlobebi 100 pro-

centiTaa datvirTuli _ ambobs

Tbilisis rkinigzis yofili molare

elene msxilaZe da iqve dasZens: rom

icodeT, ra ambavia vagzlis salaro-

ebTan. bileTebis SeZena SeuZlebe-

lia gzad gamaval sadgurebSi (go-

ri, xaSuri da a.S.) bileTis kiTx-

vac ar Rirs. transportis mamebma

moqalaqeebisaTvis servisis gaumjo-

besebis magivrad yvelaferi yiraze

daayenes, maT TavianTi uazro ga-

dawyvetilebiT sarkinigzo qsels

moswyvites samxreT saqarTvelo, ga-

auqmes ra Tbilisi-vales reisi.

mowyvetilni aRmoCndnen: vale,

axalcixe, axalqalaqi, adigeni, ni-

nowminda. dainiSna Semoklebuli re-

isi Tbilisi-borjomi, 6 vagonis Se-

madgenlobiT. sagareubno matarebel-

Si sruli qaosia, salaroebSi bile-

Tebi ar iyideba. mgzavrobis safa-

surs rkinigzelebi dacvis TanamS-

romelTa TanxlebiT xelze krefen.

mgzavrobis safasuris amgvari ga-

daxda bevrma maTganma aralegaluri

Semosavlis wyarod gaixada. amave

mizans emsaxureba sagareubno mata-

rebliT tvirTis gadatana (sxvadas-

xva produqti, xili). fasebi SeTan-

xmebiTaa. rkinigzelebsa da Sss-s

dacvis samsaxurs fuls uxdian

xelze movaWreebic (qada, xaWapuri,

mzesumzira, da a.S.).

profkavSirebis

damxmare aravinaa

xelisuflebis usaxuri dinama-

tad qceul saqarTvelos gaerTiane-

bul profkavSirebs da mis Tavmj-

domare petriaSvils ar ainteresebT

TavianTi dargobrivi wevrebis bedi

(pedagogebi, medikosebi da a.S.) amis

fonze misasalmebelia rkinigzis

profesiuli kavSiris brZola Tavi-

si kolegebis interesebisa da uf-

lebebis dacvis kuTxiT. misi Tavmj-

domare hamlet lomiZe daufaravad

saubrobs problemebze. igi acxa-

debs, rom gaumarTlebelia dargis

muSakTa kanonis gverdis avliT gan-

Tavisufleba da TxovnaTa Sesaxeb

profkavSirs saqmis kursSi ar aye-

neben. dargSi arsebul yvela prob-

lemebze moxsenebiTi baraTebi miswe-

res administracias, magram maTgan

reaqcia ar aris. pasuxis gacemac ki

ar ikadres. arada, maT Soris xel-

Sekrulebaa gaformebuli. rkinigzis

xelmZRvaneloba ar asrulebs nakisr

valdebulebas. gasagebia, _ ambobs

lomiZe, rom bevri sakiTxis mogva-

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