UNITED VISIONINGUNITED VISIONING

The The

Six Sault Ste Marie United Six Sault Ste Marie United Churches ReviewChurches Review

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These are not Pass or Fail ReviewsThese are not Pass or Fail Reviews

The reviews have been carried out to see that of the six The reviews have been carried out to see that of the six churches which three, in our opinion, are best suited to churches which three, in our opinion, are best suited to move forward into the next quarter century.move forward into the next quarter century.The emphasis was to look for durability, functionality and The emphasis was to look for durability, functionality and flexibility.flexibility.Our focus concentrated on major items.Our focus concentrated on major items.The reviews were visual only.The reviews were visual only... and the intent is to provide you with information that .. and the intent is to provide you with information that will help you in your decision making processwill help you in your decision making process

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Who were involved in the reviews?Who were involved in the reviews?

Structural: Randy Beltramin P.Eng of Structural: Randy Beltramin P.Eng of STEM Engineering Inc.STEM Engineering Inc.

Architectural: Chris Tossell OAA, MRAIC, Architectural: Chris Tossell OAA, MRAIC, CAPHC.CAPHC.

Mechanical & Electrical Systems: David Mechanical & Electrical Systems: David Barban P.Eng of Nor Mech Engineering Barban P.Eng of Nor Mech Engineering Inc.Inc.

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On What was the Review Based?On What was the Review Based?

Information/ Audit material provided by the Information/ Audit material provided by the United Visioning CommitteeUnited Visioning CommitteeOur On Site ReviewsOur On Site ReviewsSome degree of experience and intuitionSome degree of experience and intuition……and we have tried to view the churches and we have tried to view the churches simply as buildings and not as places of simply as buildings and not as places of worshipworship

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What Elements were reviewed?What Elements were reviewed?

1) SITE & SITE SERVICES1) SITE & SITE SERVICESZoningZoningAreaAreaParking and the relationship to capacityParking and the relationship to capacityPaving/storm drainagePaving/storm drainageWalkwaysWalkwaysAccessibilityAccessibilityLandscaping Landscaping Ability to accommodate building expansion Ability to accommodate building expansion Other aspects such as fuel storage tanksOther aspects such as fuel storage tanks

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What Elements were reviewed? What Elements were reviewed? (continued)(continued)

2) STRUCTURAL2) STRUCTURAL

Are there any visible discernable problems Are there any visible discernable problems with the structural components of the with the structural components of the building?building?

FoundationsFoundations

Framing members of the walls or roofFraming members of the walls or roof

Exposed columns & beamsExposed columns & beams

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What Elements were reviewed? What Elements were reviewed? (continued)(continued)

3) BUILDING ENVELOPE3) BUILDING ENVELOPE

Conditions of the exterior walls/historyConditions of the exterior walls/history

Roof/flashing condition/ historyRoof/flashing condition/ history

Insulation levelsInsulation levels

Chimneys & FluesChimneys & Flues

Exterior windows & doors Exterior windows & doors

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What Elements were reviewed? What Elements were reviewed? (continued)(continued)

4) INTERIORS4) INTERIORSFloors (main)Floors (main)Walls & windowsWalls & windowsCeilingsCeilingsAttic access where possibleAttic access where possibleFire resistant ratings & separationsFire resistant ratings & separationsStairsStairsAccessibilityAccessibilityIndividual areas - halls, kitchens, administrative areas.Individual areas - halls, kitchens, administrative areas.Basements – accessibility and as aboveBasements – accessibility and as aboveBalconies & mezzanine floorsBalconies & mezzanine floorsSeatingSeatingSignificant installed items e.g. organs, pulpits, screens etc.Significant installed items e.g. organs, pulpits, screens etc.Any noted OBC problemsAny noted OBC problemsFunctionalityFunctionality

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What Elements were reviewed? What Elements were reviewed? (continued)(continued)

5) MECHANICAL SYSTEMS5) MECHANICAL SYSTEMSHeating System, Distribution & fuel typeHeating System, Distribution & fuel typeMechanical ventilationMechanical ventilationControlsControlsDomestic hot waterDomestic hot waterPlumbing & drainagePlumbing & drainageWashrooms/fixtures (barrier free?)Washrooms/fixtures (barrier free?)Storm & sanitary drainageStorm & sanitary drainageKitchen EquipmentKitchen Equipment

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What Elements were reviewed? What Elements were reviewed? (continued)(continued)

6) ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS6) ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS

Service – capacity & expansion potentialService – capacity & expansion potential

Power distributionPower distribution

Lighting systems & fixturesLighting systems & fixtures

Fire alarm detection & annunciationFire alarm detection & annunciation

Sound SystemsSound Systems

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What Makes Up a Building?What Makes Up a Building?

A Building is a sum of its parts. We call these A Building is a sum of its parts. We call these parts ‘Systems’parts ‘Systems’For example there are structural and framing For example there are structural and framing systems, roofing systems, mechanical and systems, roofing systems, mechanical and electrical systems.electrical systems.Some Buildings exceed the sum of their parts. Some Buildings exceed the sum of their parts. They could be termed Landmark Buildings – They could be termed Landmark Buildings – where the building, the building materials and where the building, the building materials and site location are a major influence on the site location are a major influence on the Cityscape. Cityscape.

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Heritage ComponentsHeritage Components

Do the heritage (architectural, historical and Do the heritage (architectural, historical and functional) values of a building override the functional) values of a building override the identified high operational and maintenance identified high operational and maintenance costs?costs?If so then a financial solution must be found.If so then a financial solution must be found.If the heritage values do not override then the If the heritage values do not override then the focus should be on attaining an alternative usefocus should be on attaining an alternative useIt may be that the ultimate mark of a heritage It may be that the ultimate mark of a heritage building is it’s ability to adapt to a new functionbuilding is it’s ability to adapt to a new functionThere are two landmark buildings in the There are two landmark buildings in the inventory of which one has heritage designationinventory of which one has heritage designation

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CRITERIA FOR MOVING CRITERIA FOR MOVING FORWARDFORWARD

Structural IntegrityStructural IntegrityBuilding Envelope ConditionBuilding Envelope ConditionInterior ConditionInterior ConditionMechanical & Electrical SystemsMechanical & Electrical SystemsAccessibilityAccessibilitySite Conditions & Expansion PotentialSite Conditions & Expansion PotentialCapital Outlay NecessaryCapital Outlay NecessaryFunctionality/ FlexibilityFunctionality/ Flexibility……..and Operating costs..and Operating costs

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ExpectationsExpectations

We are not clairvoyant about the future but we We are not clairvoyant about the future but we do think that congregations will have higher do think that congregations will have higher expectations for convenience than in the past, expectations for convenience than in the past, that the overall perception of worship will include that the overall perception of worship will include convenience of access, space to socialise, an convenience of access, space to socialise, an ability to cater to all ages and (even) comfort in ability to cater to all ages and (even) comfort in pews.pews.

So functionality, flexibility and the ability to adapt So functionality, flexibility and the ability to adapt together with the other criteria do become together with the other criteria do become extremely importantextremely important

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The ChurchesThe Churches

These are reviewed in the order that we visited These are reviewed in the order that we visited on April 7on April 7thth and April 10 and April 10thth, 2008., 2008.Goulais River United Church (although not part Goulais River United Church (although not part of the six) was reviewed on May 5of the six) was reviewed on May 5 thth..The slide notes that follow are a compilation for The slide notes that follow are a compilation for each church and which summarise the notes each church and which summarise the notes and comments recorded at the time of the and comments recorded at the time of the reviewreviewA considerable amount of what we found during A considerable amount of what we found during the review confirms the results of the audits the review confirms the results of the audits carried out previously by the United Visioning carried out previously by the United Visioning GroupGroup

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East Korah/Maxwell UnitedEast Korah/Maxwell United

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East Korah/Maxwell UnitedEast Korah/Maxwell United

Structural Integrity – Structural Integrity – Building EnvelopeBuilding EnvelopeInteriorsInteriorsMechanical/ElectricalMechanical/Electrical

AccessibilityAccessibility

Site Conditions & Site Conditions & Expansion PotentialExpansion PotentialCapital OutlayCapital OutlayFunctionalityFunctionality

GoodGoodFair but lack of characterFair but lack of characterFairFairElectric heat/older Electric heat/older plumbing/lack of exhaustplumbing/lack of exhaustTo main floor/basement partial. To main floor/basement partial. Has a b/f washroomHas a b/f washroom

Parking good-but no Parking good-but no room for expansionroom for expansionMinorMinorFairFair

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John Wesley UnitedJohn Wesley United

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John Wesley UnitedJohn Wesley United

Structural IntegrityStructural IntegrityBuilding EnvelopeBuilding Envelope

InteriorsInteriors

Mechanical/electricalMechanical/electrical

AccessibilityAccessibilitySite Conditions & expansion Site Conditions & expansion potentialpotentialCapital outlayCapital outlay

FunctionalityFunctionality

GoodGoodFair/good (water leak boiler Fair/good (water leak boiler room). room). Fair/good (good fire Fair/good (good fire separations)separations)HW gas boilers 81% eff. F/A & HW gas boilers 81% eff. F/A & security. Good kitchensecurity. Good kitchen

Non existentNon existentProblematic lot drainage/ no Problematic lot drainage/ no expansion expansion $350k for exterior elevator & $350k for exterior elevator & washroom + improved linkwashroom + improved linkSomewhat disjointedSomewhat disjointed

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Emmanuel UnitedEmmanuel United

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Emmanuel UnitedEmmanuel United

Structural IntegrityStructural Integrity

Building EnvelopeBuilding Envelope InteriorsInteriors

Mechanical/electricalMechanical/electrical

AccessibilityAccessibilitySite Conditions & expansion Site Conditions & expansion

Capital OutlayCapital OutlayFunctionalityFunctionality

GoodGoodModerate, some spalling.Moderate, some spalling.Good but poor fire separationGood but poor fire separation

Boiler life limited/electrical at Boiler life limited/electrical at capacitycapacityNon existentNon existentExcellent/ prime location. Excellent/ prime location. limited for nave expansionlimited for nave expansion$180k for access, washrooms $180k for access, washrooms and separationsand separationsSplit entrance/ good but dated Split entrance/ good but dated finishes, kitchen fairfinishes, kitchen fair

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Central UnitedCentral United

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Central UnitedCentral UnitedStructural IntegrityStructural IntegrityBuilding Envelope Building Envelope

InteriorsInteriorsMechanical/ElectricalMechanical/ElectricalAccessibilityAccessibility

Site Conditions & Expansion PotentialSite Conditions & Expansion Potential

Capital OutlayCapital Outlay

FunctionalityFunctionality

GoodGoodOngoing stone repair/re-pointingOngoing stone repair/re-pointingM. Floor-good. Plaster cracks. Bas’t –fair/poorM. Floor-good. Plaster cracks. Bas’t –fair/poorHigh Eff. Boiler. Lighting upgrades. High Eff. Boiler. Lighting upgrades.

Good, high efficiency boiler, lighting Good, high efficiency boiler, lighting upgrades. Electrical service at limits.upgrades. Electrical service at limits.To main floor only. To main floor only.

Limited parking/no expansion required. Limited parking/no expansion required. Entrances difficultEntrances difficult

Significant upgrades have been made to Significant upgrades have been made to heating, fire separations, detection & sound heating, fire separations, detection & sound systemsystem

Main floor excellent. Basement, basement Main floor excellent. Basement, basement access and washrooms disjointed. Only access and washrooms disjointed. Only single WR at main floorsingle WR at main floor

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Willowgrove UnitedWillowgrove United

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Willowgrove UnitedWillowgrove United

Structural IntegrityStructural IntegrityBuilding EnvelopeBuilding Envelope InteriorsInteriorsMechanical/ElectricalMechanical/Electrical

AccessibilityAccessibilitySite Conditions & Site Conditions & Expansion PotentialExpansion Potential

Capital OutlayCapital Outlay

FunctionalityFunctionality

GoodGoodGood-well maintainedGood-well maintainedVery goodVery goodAll electric heat/ large All electric heat/ large serviceserviceExcellentExcellentGood/difficult to expand Good/difficult to expand nave. Very nicely nave. Very nicely landscapedlandscapedNo major outlay requiredNo major outlay required

Excellent. Good kitchenExcellent. Good kitchen

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St Andrews UnitedSt Andrews United

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St Andrews UnitedSt Andrews United

Structural IntegrityStructural Integrity

Building EnvelopeBuilding EnvelopeInteriorsInteriors

Mechanical/electricalMechanical/electrical

AccessibilityAccessibilitySite Conditions & Expansion Site Conditions & Expansion PotentialPotentialCapital Outlay requiredCapital Outlay requiredFunctionalityFunctionality

Generally good but Pinch perimeter Generally good but Pinch perimeter wall deteriorating at lintelswall deteriorating at lintelsPinch & Boiler roof poor, narthex water Pinch & Boiler roof poor, narthex water entry problems, entry problems, Nave : good. Remainder: fair. Pinch Nave : good. Remainder: fair. Pinch asbestos tile ceiling/cork floors. asbestos tile ceiling/cork floors. Asbestos abatement requiredAsbestos abatement requiredHeating ½ steam ½ HW. Boiler Heating ½ steam ½ HW. Boiler antiquated/inefficient. Electrical antiquated/inefficient. Electrical switchgear repair required. Lighting switchgear repair required. Lighting very good very good Excellent to all areasExcellent to all areasParking excellent, no requirement for Parking excellent, no requirement for expansionexpansionPinch roof, windows, walls, floor, Pinch roof, windows, walls, floor, boiler, boiler roof, asbestos removal, boiler, boiler roof, asbestos removal, roof leak repairs $4-$500k.roof leak repairs $4-$500k.ExcellentExcellent

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Goulais River United ChurchGoulais River United Church

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Goulais River United ChurchGoulais River United ChurchStructural IntegrityStructural IntegrityBuilding EnvelopeBuilding Envelope

InteriorsInteriorsMechanical/electricalMechanical/electrical

AccessibilityAccessibility

Site Conditions & expansion Site Conditions & expansion

Capital OutlayCapital OutlayFunctionalityFunctionality

Fair/GoodFair/GoodVinyl siding & brick,-fair, metal roof in good Vinyl siding & brick,-fair, metal roof in good conditionconditionFibreboard wall & ceiling finishes but Fibreboard wall & ceiling finishes but reasonable. Kitchen – fair. reasonable. Kitchen – fair. Service good for moderate expansion. Service good for moderate expansion. Furnace will need replacement. eventually-Furnace will need replacement. eventually-consider propane. Plumbing fixtures old & consider propane. Plumbing fixtures old & stained. Change thermostat. No F/A intakestained. Change thermostat. No F/A intake

Non –existentNon –existent

Large lot, plenty of parking, room to expand. Large lot, plenty of parking, room to expand. Well point & septic tank Well point & septic tank

$3-400k on new hall to eliminate basement $3-400k on new hall to eliminate basement useuseAccessibility: possible to main floor by ramp. Accessibility: possible to main floor by ramp. Difficult & expensive to basement. New Difficult & expensive to basement. New WR’s required. Consider possible G.F hall WR’s required. Consider possible G.F hall expansionexpansion

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Operating CostsOperating Costs

We looked at operating costs from two We looked at operating costs from two perspectivesperspectives

1) Annual Heating/Lighting costs averaged 1) Annual Heating/Lighting costs averaged over 2006 & 2007 divided by average over 2006 & 2007 divided by average weekly attendanceweekly attendance

2) Annual Heating/Lighting costs as above 2) Annual Heating/Lighting costs as above divided by the gross building areasdivided by the gross building areas

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Why are we so focused on energy Why are we so focused on energy costs?costs?

Oil & gas reserves are depletingOil & gas reserves are depletingExploration is limitedExploration is limitedDemand is rising (3%pa. Supply 1%pa)Demand is rising (3%pa. Supply 1%pa)Natural Gas that was $0.17/mNatural Gas that was $0.17/m³ in 2001 is ³ in 2001 is currently $0.32/m³ and projected to be above currently $0.32/m³ and projected to be above $0.38c later this year$0.38c later this yearWith almost all the churches involved increasing With almost all the churches involved increasing insulation levels is extremely difficult if not insulation levels is extremely difficult if not impossible. Exceptions would be at flat roof impossible. Exceptions would be at flat roof areas when reroofing necessary areas when reroofing necessary

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Table 1: Operating Costs Divided by Table 1: Operating Costs Divided by Average Weekly Attendance (Ranked)Average Weekly Attendance (Ranked)

1) East Korah $4259.5/70 = 1) East Korah $4259.5/70 = $60.85 pp/pa$60.85 pp/pa

2) Emmanuel $7981.0/120 = 2) Emmanuel $7981.0/120 = $66.51 pp/pa$66.51 pp/pa

3) Willowgrove $19,775.0/275= 3) Willowgrove $19,775.0/275= $71.91$71.91 pp/pa pp/pa4) Goulais River $4570.0/40 = $114.24 pp/pa4) Goulais River $4570.0/40 = $114.24 pp/pa

4) John Wesley $17,227. /100= $172.26 pp/pa4) John Wesley $17,227. /100= $172.26 pp/pa

5) St Andrews $34,726.0/190 = 5) St Andrews $34,726.0/190 = $182.77 $182.77 pp/papp/pa

6) Central Utd $ 32,491.5/150 = $216.61 pp/pa6) Central Utd $ 32,491.5/150 = $216.61 pp/pa

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Table 2: Operating Costs Divided Table 2: Operating Costs Divided by Gross Building Area (Ranked)by Gross Building Area (Ranked)

1) 1) East Korah $4,259/5156 sq ftEast Korah $4,259/5156 sq ft = = $0.82 $0.82 psfpsf

2) John Wesley $17,227/18,354 sq ft = $0.93 psf2) John Wesley $17,227/18,354 sq ft = $0.93 psf

3) Emmanuel $7981/8,000 sq ft = $0.99 psf3) Emmanuel $7981/8,000 sq ft = $0.99 psf

4) Central $32,495/20,000 sq ft = $1.62 psf4) Central $32,495/20,000 sq ft = $1.62 psf

5) Goulais River $4569/2699 sq ft = $1.69 psf5) Goulais River $4569/2699 sq ft = $1.69 psf

6) Willowgrove $19,775/9,560 sq ft = $2.06 psf6) Willowgrove $19,775/9,560 sq ft = $2.06 psf

7) St Andrews $34,726/14,700 sq ft = $2.36 psf7) St Andrews $34,726/14,700 sq ft = $2.36 psf

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Table 3: Capacity @ 80% & the Ability to Table 3: Capacity @ 80% & the Ability to AccommodateAccommodate

ChurchChurch CapacityCapacity X 80%X 80% Av AttendAv Attend SpareSpare

East KorahEast Korah 8484 67.267.2 7070 00

John WesleyJohn Wesley 442442 354354 100100 254254

EmmanuelEmmanuel 250250 200200 120120 8080

CentralCentral 700700 560560 150150 410410

WillowgroveWillowgrove 380380 304304 275275 2929

St AndrewsSt Andrews 495495 396396 190190 206206

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Table 4: Capital Cost SummaryTable 4: Capital Cost Summary

CHURCHCHURCH Access/WR’sAccess/WR’s RepairRepair TotalTotal

East KorahEast Korah¹¹ $0$0 $0$0 $0$0

J. WesleyJ. Wesley $325k$325k $25k$25k $350k$350k

EmmanuelEmmanuel $180k$180k $25k$25k $205k$205k

WillowgroveWillowgrove $0$0 $0$0 $0$0

CentralCentral $350k$350k²² $50k$50k $400k$400k

St AndrewsSt Andrews $0$0 $4-500k$4-500k³³ $4-500k$4-500k

Goulais R.Goulais R. $3-400k$3-400k** $15k$15k $3-415k$3-415k

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Notes to Table 4Notes to Table 4

1 - Routine maintenance excluded to all1 - Routine maintenance excluded to all2 – Central: this amount would cover 2 – Central: this amount would cover accessibility and improved access to make accessibility and improved access to make better use of the basement areas, if desiredbetter use of the basement areas, if desired3 – St Andrews: a variable amount dependent 3 – St Andrews: a variable amount dependent on the degree of repair necessitated. New on the degree of repair necessitated. New boiler/upgraded insulation would substantially boiler/upgraded insulation would substantially reduce heating costsreduce heating costs* - Goulais River: cost based on provision of new * - Goulais River: cost based on provision of new hall at same time for both church & community hall at same time for both church & community useuse

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Summary Summary

CURRENT FUTURECURRENT FUTURE

Korah: at capacity, economical to operate Korah: at capacity, economical to operate and in reasonable conditionand in reasonable condition

John Wesley: Plenty of space, second John Wesley: Plenty of space, second lowest in utility cost psf but no accessibilitylowest in utility cost psf but no accessibility

Emmanuel: economical to operate, some Emmanuel: economical to operate, some masonry/roofing problems. Need for new masonry/roofing problems. Need for new boiler, no accessibility or separations but boiler, no accessibility or separations but large site.large site.Central: Heritage landmark, Largely updated Central: Heritage landmark, Largely updated but restricted accessibility. Awkward access but restricted accessibility. Awkward access to basement/washrooms. Good to basement/washrooms. Good performance centre. Magnificent organ. performance centre. Magnificent organ. Loads of spaceLoads of spaceWillowgrove: Best in condition, function & Willowgrove: Best in condition, function & accessibility though poor operating costs accessibility though poor operating costs and occupancy at capacityand occupancy at capacitySt Andrews: Excellent accessibility and St Andrews: Excellent accessibility and space but major deficiencies requiring $4-space but major deficiencies requiring $4-500K to rectify500K to rectifyGoulais River: no access; showing ageGoulais River: no access; showing age

Frame construction & vinyl siding more Frame construction & vinyl siding more residential than institutional. Unable to residential than institutional. Unable to expand but marketableexpand but marketableRequires addition to include accessibility & Requires addition to include accessibility & WR’s ($350k) Would provide great WR’s ($350k) Would provide great opportunity for growthopportunity for growthRequires accessibility, WR’s & separations. Requires accessibility, WR’s & separations. Despite large & valuable site. Worship Despite large & valuable site. Worship expansion is not easy. expansion is not easy.

Accept fact that buildings of this type will Accept fact that buildings of this type will always be a strain on resources and that always be a strain on resources and that some areas may never be totally some areas may never be totally accessible. Access to basement requires accessible. Access to basement requires elevator which would require new electrical elevator which would require new electrical service Status Quoservice Status Quo

With capital injection over time will provide With capital injection over time will provide excellent accommodationexcellent accommodation

Consider ground floor addition to eliminate Consider ground floor addition to eliminate basement use rather than funding access. basement use rather than funding access. Change oil to propaneChange oil to propane

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If the Sault Ste Marie congregations want If the Sault Ste Marie congregations want less of their financial contributions spent less of their financial contributions spent on operation and maintenance and more on operation and maintenance and more on outreach ministries then, based on the on outreach ministries then, based on the forgoing information, both downtown forgoing information, both downtown churches should be closedchurches should be closed

If the closure of both cannot be If the closure of both cannot be contemplated then which should remain?contemplated then which should remain?

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Comparison of the two City Comparison of the two City ChurchesChurches

St Andrews has better functionality but requires St Andrews has better functionality but requires major capital spending to upgrade.major capital spending to upgrade.In our opinion Central has poorer functionality In our opinion Central has poorer functionality but many upgrades have already been made.but many upgrades have already been made.Both are and will always remain expensive Both are and will always remain expensive buildings to operate and maintainbuildings to operate and maintainBoth buildings make major architectural Both buildings make major architectural contributions to our cityscape. Central is contributions to our cityscape. Central is Designated under the Ontario Heritage ActDesignated under the Ontario Heritage ActIt would not be easy to find an alternate use for It would not be easy to find an alternate use for either buildingeither building

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A second issue is, that at this time, A second issue is, that at this time, Willowgrove, which is the ‘best’ building in Willowgrove, which is the ‘best’ building in all overall respects, is incapable of all overall respects, is incapable of accommodating any other congregation at accommodating any other congregation at the same service time.the same service time.

Any of the other congregations could Any of the other congregations could combine with Willowgrove using combine with Willowgrove using alternative service times. However there is alternative service times. However there is need to carefully consider the additional need to carefully consider the additional load on the administrative offices, meeting load on the administrative offices, meeting spaces and communal areas.spaces and communal areas.

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However, for example, if 75% of the John However, for example, if 75% of the John Wesley congregation (75) combined with Wesley congregation (75) combined with Willowgrove on the alternative services Willowgrove on the alternative services basis then operating costs (per person per basis then operating costs (per person per annum) at Willowgrove would reduce from annum) at Willowgrove would reduce from $71.91pp/pa to $56.50 pp/pa which is a $71.91pp/pa to $56.50 pp/pa which is a 25% reduction25% reduction

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Here are three options to start with…. Here are three options to start with…. They are not in any particular order. They are not in any particular order. There are no easy solutions and each There are no easy solutions and each possibility has it’s own set of possibility has it’s own set of advantages and problemsadvantages and problems……..and they have been included ..and they have been included simply to provoke thought and simply to provoke thought and discussiondiscussion

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Numbers used in TransfersNumbers used in Transfers

There is a rule of thumb (origin unknown) that There is a rule of thumb (origin unknown) that when a church closes 1/3 of the congregation when a church closes 1/3 of the congregation will move to the designated church, 1/3 to will move to the designated church, 1/3 to another church and the remaining 1/3 will another church and the remaining 1/3 will disappeardisappearWe think that largely due to to the process you We think that largely due to to the process you have followed to date together with the have followed to date together with the commitment we have sensed that the numbers commitment we have sensed that the numbers of members transferring will be considerably of members transferring will be considerably higher and we are therefore using a figure of higher and we are therefore using a figure of 75% of regularly attending members75% of regularly attending members

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First OptionFirst Option

Close both downtown churches together Close both downtown churches together with East Korah with 75% of the combined with East Korah with 75% of the combined congregations disbursing to John Wesley congregations disbursing to John Wesley (largely) and Emmanuel producing greater (largely) and Emmanuel producing greater economies for both these churches. economies for both these churches.

Willowgrove would remainWillowgrove would remain

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Second OptionSecond Option

Maintain both downtown churches by closing Maintain both downtown churches by closing John Wesley, East Korah and Emmanuel. John Wesley, East Korah and Emmanuel. If say 75% of every regularly attending member If say 75% of every regularly attending member of John Wesley (75), Emmanuel (90) and East of John Wesley (75), Emmanuel (90) and East Korah (50), total 215 went ½ to Central and ½ to Korah (50), total 215 went ½ to Central and ½ to St Andrews it would reduce the theoretical cost St Andrews it would reduce the theoretical cost per person/per annum for Central from $216.61 per person/per annum for Central from $216.61 to $125.93 and for St Andrews from $182.77 to to $125.93 and for St Andrews from $182.77 to $116.53$116.53Willowgrove remainsWillowgrove remains

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Third OptionThird Option

Amalgamate Central and St Andrews at ? Amalgamate Central and St Andrews at ? with East Korah and Emmanuel with East Korah and Emmanuel amalgamating at John Wesleyamalgamating at John Wesley

Willowgrove remainsWillowgrove remains

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Interested in a New Building to Interested in a New Building to replace the existing?replace the existing?

As a comparison it may be worthwhile to As a comparison it may be worthwhile to note that new church construction is note that new church construction is currently costing $300.00 per square foot.currently costing $300.00 per square foot.

A new church say the size of St Andrews A new church say the size of St Andrews with a gross square foot area of with a gross square foot area of approximately 15,000 square feet would approximately 15,000 square feet would then cost $4.5m plus land costs plus site then cost $4.5m plus land costs plus site development and services. development and services.

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Although in the review the strengths and Although in the review the strengths and weakness' of the six have been identified weakness' of the six have been identified we realise that in some respects we may we realise that in some respects we may not have made your decision making not have made your decision making process any easier.process any easier.

However it was a privilege working with However it was a privilege working with you and we……you and we……

Thank You!Thank You!