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The Challenge of

LNA`s

for 10 GHz

HB9BBD

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Introduction

Much has been written on the value of NoiseFigure at EME conferences, in Dubus etc.

Still, it‘s the difference between Noise and Signal which really matters

It‘s not what‘s printed on the box, but what‘s insidewhich makes the challenge

The benchmark for HM LNA is clearly DB6NT

Hypothesis: It should be possible to build a Band LNA, unconditionally stable, NF<0,8dB (averaged!), G>20dB

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Agenda

Don‘t trust the box, measure!

The Benchmark LNA by DB6NT

The Gang challenging the Leader

Building the LNA

Selecting the Device

Measuring Noise and Gain

The Results

Appendix

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What the Market keeps telling us..

The Components

alone cost more!

0,1 dB ?

Bargain!

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The Benchmark LNADB6NT, Michael Kuhne

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The Benchmark LNA

* Loss of adapter measured on p.50

Test gear of DB6NT

Measured by HB9BBD

Agilent 8975A

N4000A

Test gear at DB6NT

Incl. SMA-WG adapter 0,08dB*

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F5BUU + F6BVA challenging DB6NT

http://f1chf.free.fr/F5DQK/3_Preamplis_LNAs/Preamplis_10_GHz_DB6NT.pdf

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http://f1chf.free.fr/F5DQK/3_Preamplis_LNAs/Preamplis_10_GHz_DB6NT.pdf

F5BUU, Jean Claude F6BVA, Michel

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F5BUU + F6BVA challenging DB6NT

http://f1chf.free.fr/F5DQK/3_Preamplis_LNAs/Preamplis_10_GHz_DB6NT.pdf

(F5DQK Publisher, LNA‘s built by F5BUU and F6BVA)

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OK2AQ challenging DB6NThttp://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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OK2AQ challenging DB6NThttp://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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OK2AQ challenging DB6NThttp://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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OK2AQ challenging DB6NThttp://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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OK2AQ challenging DB6NThttp://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

OK2AQ is usingAgilent 8975A

and N4000A

0,962 dB

0,829 dB

0,852 dB

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Sat-Technology challenging DB6NT

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„Sandwich-design“

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Sat-Technology challenging DB6NT

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NE3512S02

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Sat-Technology challenging DB6NT

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„Sandwich-design“

Characteristics:

• Made in Asia by a Sat/LNB company

• Interdigital Filter

• No tuning at all, no flaps, no variable gate-supply-regulator

• Perfectly repeatable industrial design

(I measured 4 pieces, all within 3/100 of a dB in NF, same Gain)

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Sat-Technology challenging DB6NT

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NE3512S02 NF 0,81dB; G 27,7dB

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Sat-Technology challenging DB6NT

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So let‘s challenge them all!Designing a low noise LNA

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So let‘s challenge them all!Designing a low noise LNA

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So let‘s challenge them all!Mechanical Dimensions in mm

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Building the LNAMaking the PCB (Rogers 4003C 0,508mm)

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Building the LNAMaking the body

Bild Fräse und movie link hier

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Building the LNAMaking the body

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Building the LNAAssembling the PCB: Components are ready

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Building the LNAAssembling the PCB: Applying Solder Paste

Solder Paste (with Pb!) melting point at 179 deg. C

Hightech „Footswitch“

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Building the LNAAssembling the PCB: Placing the Components

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Building the LNAPre-Heating the PCB

Heating plate at 164 deg. C for preheating the board

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Building the LNA„Reflow oven“ substituted by hand..

Hot Nitrogen at 350 deg. C

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Building the LNASoldering

Heating plate at 164 deg. C for preheating the board

Nitrogen at 350 deg.C.

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Building the LNASome boards (almost) ready

The first Fet still to be selected

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Building the LNAManual „Reflow Oven“ of the poor man

> 1,7<mm

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Selecting the best deviceVarious GaAsFet tested

Obsolete and discontinued GaAs-Fets of the 90ies..

0,45 dB@12 GHz 0,75 dB@12 GHz

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Selecting the best deviceLater GaAsFet s (already discontinued **)

NE32484A **

NE32584C

NE3210S01 **

NE3512S02

NE3511S02

MGF4919G **

0,6 dB@12 GHz

0,45 dB@12 GHz

0,45 dB@12 GHz

0,35 dB@12 GHz

0,30 dB@12 GHz

0,35 dB@12 GHz

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Selecting the best deviceA simple way to qickly selct a device

Various GaAs-Fet tested

Again, don‘t believe,

MEASURE!

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Selecting the best deviceA NE3210S01 at work

The latest Test Fixture!

High tech tooth stick

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Selecting the best deviceA NE3210S01 looks good!

Agilent 8975A

N4000A

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Selecting the best deviceAfter the measurment things become obvious..

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Measuring Noise and Gain

For reliable NF measurment averaging matters!

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Measuring Noise and Gain

Work done. While I was at lunch with my wife

20‘000 measurments were taken

Where is the minimum Noise?

The Relevance of Measurment Results

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The Results pull us down to physics..

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The Results pull us down to physics..

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 1-V2.3

0,45 dB@12 GHz

No

ise

Mat

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Gai

n M

atch

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 1-V2.0

0,45 dB@12 GHz

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 1-V2.2

0,45 dB@12 GHz

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 2-V2.3

0,45 dB@12 GHz0,45 dB@12 GHz

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 4-V2.3

0,45 dB@12 GHz

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Measuring Noise and Gain

HB9BBD # 3-V2.3

0,45 dB@12 GHz0,45 dB@12 GHz

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The Results bring us down to

reality..HB9BBD 10 GHz LNA‘s including WG/SMA Adaptor

Gain

Noise

dB

dB

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SMA-WR75 adaptor considerations

Some Adaptors are perfect

Tuning screw out of center

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SMA-WR75 adaptor considerations

Measuring the loss

Always use these blades!

They make a small difference!

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SMA-WR75 adaptor considerations

Measuring the loss

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SMA-WR75 adaptor considerationsS-Parameters S11, S22, S21 at a glance

-0,16 dB/2 = -0,08 dB

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The Results bring us down to

reality..HB9BBD 10 GHz LNA‘s without WG/SMA Adaptor

Gain

Noise

dB

dB

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Wrap-up • On 10 GHz the State-of-the-Art NF is in the order of

Noise@Device + 0,2 dB at ambient temperature

• The adapter SMA-WG adds some 0.08 dB ~

• There is no WG NoiseHead available anymore!

• Therefore at best NF can be expected 0,60 dB (WG/SMA loss)

This is because all components including PCB are lossy

and generate Noise.

• You can build your own LNA, if you are not much impressed by

the time you invest and if your XYL is very tolerant.

• Do not expect wonders (from LNA!).

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Questions? Comments?

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SMA-WR75 and 60cm Flexible WGS21 -0,2 dB net without Adaptors

-0,36 - 0,16 = -0,2 dB -0,2 dB

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Appendix

ENR 15,2 dB, not ideal for LNA

(obsolete)

HP X347A Waveguide Noise Source

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Measuring Noise and Gain

Single stage (SMA/SMA) FHX13LG

0,45 dB@12 GHz

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AppendixSome scrap…

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Zugabe

Mai 2015 Umbau des 10 m Parabolspiegels für 10 GHz

1mm Chromstahl

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Zugabe

Mai 2015 Umbau des 10 m Parabolspiegels für 10 GHz

1mm Chromstahl

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10m

Rastermass Gitter

8 x 8 mm12

m

18m

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Mai 2015 Umbau des 10 m Parabolspiegels für 10 GHz

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