Q and A with Master Kirpal Singh

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Q & A

with

Master Kirpal Singh Ji

There was one student, graduated some years, back who went to hear so many

Saints in India. He bombarded them with questions. And they were unable togive him answers. They said, "You are not yet fit." His father came to me.

He said, "There are so many like that". "All right, no matter, send him to me."When he came I told him, "Well, look here, write down all your doubts, all your

questions, then sit in the room with me and lock the door. Keep the key and

don't open unless you're satisfied. He went on questioning me for two hours,three hours, four hours. Then he asked for and got initiation.(http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/lok/wait.htm)



Contents

Page 1 = Science of the Soul

Page 2 = Initiation

Page 6 = Spiritual Growth

Page 9 = Receptivity

Page 10 = Love

Page 12 = Faith

Page 13 = The Master

Page 15 = A Ruling Passion for God

Page 16 = Surrender

Page 18 = Mind

Page 22 = Meditation

Page 29 = The Music of the Spheres

Page 32 = The Charged Words

Page 33 = Ethical Living

Page 34 = Drug Use

Page 35 = Family Life

Page 37 = Karma

Page 39 = Prayer

Page 40 = Protection of Loved Ones

Page 41 = Grace

Page 43 = Suicide

Page 44 = Death

Page 47 = The Meaning of the Name Kirpal Singh



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Science of the Soul

Question: What is Science of the Soul?

Master: There is one God, and only one Way to Him, and for this we employ acomplete and definite Science, oldest of the oldest, most ancient and natural,

which is the practical side of all religions of the world as borne out by all thescriptures.

This subtlest of all sciences is called Para Vidya which has a practical aspect andis the Way back to God during lifetime. Nowadays this science is called Sant

Mat.

It is true nobody can know God. Past Masters cannot help, as man needs a

Living God-Man to understand things which one cannot follow by mere theory.Therefore, a Living Master is necessary to gain the practical side of the Science.Unless the experience of past Masters becomes our own experience, we get

nowhere.

The fact of the matter is that God-Power works on a chosen human Pole. ALiving Master is therefore God plus man, God-Man i.e. the Mouthpiece of God.

Guru, a little often used, is a corresponding word in Sanskrit language. A Guruis one who can remove the dark veil within and show us the real Light of God.(ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

Question: Do Masters welcome sinners?

Master: Yes, soul is of the same essence as that of God and Master looks on allas embodied souls. So all are dear to Him. He wishes them to reach to the True

Home of their Father. A repentant sinner coming with a sincere heart is

acceptable to Him. We are all sinners and we come to Him to be cleansed.(ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

O Master, I have heard that You save sinners and rescue them from the miseries

of worldly existence. You remove the afflictions of Your devotees and removethe sufferings of the afflicted. My Lord, You know my request.

Why delay any further?

(Mirabai)



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Initiation

Question: Please explain the importance of initiation.

Master: Initiation by a perfect Living Master assures an escort in unknownrealms by One who is Himself a frequent traveler to those regions. He knows

the presiding deities or powers of the planes, conducts the spirit step by step,counsels at every turn and twist of the Path, cautions against lurking dangers at

each place, explaining in detail all that one desires to know. He is a teacher on

all levels of existence; a Guru on the earth-plane, a Guru Dev (Astral RadiantForm) in the Astral Worlds and a Satguru in the purely Spiritual Regions. When

everyone fails in this very life, at one stage or another, His long and strong armis always there to help us, both when we are here and we quit the earth plane.

He pilots the spirit into the Beyond and stands by it, even before the judgmentseat of God. (http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

Question: Why are we chosen? Why are we among those who have been given

the gift of Naam to return Home? Why us?

Master: Only those who are ready, who are fed up with the world and want to

go back. Only those are given a visa to go back. That is something to

appreciate – an entry visa. You are only allowed if you have a visa. When youare given Naam, you are given a visa to go back. But, when you stand in theway…? God is love and the way back to God is also through love. A visa entry

– you are allowed entry if you have this visa. So to be given Naam means youare given a visa to go back – to allow all children to come back to Him. Don’t

delay now. Every mother, every father, wishes all children to come back home.( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, pages 41, 42)

Question: Is Initiation predestined or preordained?

Master: Yes, it is predestined and preordained in the frame-work of the Divine

Plan that certain souls are to be accepted and initiated by each Master during His

ministry, and many a time it so happens that those who are ostensibly unworthyare accepted. (Spiritual Elixir , 51)

http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm




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Question: If one has great love for relatives and wishes them the highest goodin the world, can one pray to the Master that that person will get Initiation, or is

it a destiny fixed before death which nothing can change?

Master: It is always beneficial spiritually for the initiates to radiatecompassionate feelings for guiding the footsteps of their beloved ones to theMaster for holy Initiation. The destiny of every person changes every moment

by virtuous or wicked deeds. The holy Path of the Masters is open to one and all.

It may, however, be understood that it is due to the evolution of some rare

noble karma of past lives that the inner yearning of the soul gets strong for

spiritual enlightenment and those dear ones who benefit from such chances

by putting in extra effort are put on the holy Path whereas others simply

drift and have to wait for some better future chance. There are instancesthough rare, when the sincere aspirants have seen and received Initiation from

the Masters even without meeting Him physically. (Spiritual Elixir , 54) (emphasis added)

Question: Are all initiates related spiritually?

Master: Yes, more than blood relatives, as they are destined to reach their True

Home to meet there in due course, where all will become one with the primordial Source. This is true relationship which never breaks.(Spiritual Elixir , 55)



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Question: Is it not necessary for the initiates of the Master to receive further Initiation from the next Living Master from whom they have to seek Satsang

benefits?

Master: No, it is not at all necessary to have re-initiation after the passing awayof the Master who originally initiated an individual. It is His sole responsibilityto lead the soul once initiated by Him back to the Home of His Father. For any

further guidance or for Satsang purposes he will enjoy the company of theMaster following Him on the earth plane.

Question: Is everybody entitled for Initiation?

Master: No, everybody is not entitled to holy Initiation into the Mysteries of the Beyond. (Spiritual Elixir , 52)

Question: Can an ascended Master help His initiates who are still on the physical plane?

Master: Yes, a competent Master is a Master to His initiates for all time, and

does not rest till He takes the souls to the highest pinnacle of blissful glory inSach Khand. He is not a physical being only but Word personified, and on the

higher planes acts as a Gurudev and Satguru, which terms would become

meaningless if His activities were to be confined to the physical plane. If it wereso, how could He take charge of the souls of initiates on death after His passing

away?

A Master in essence never dies for the initiates. It is His troth to take them up to

the True Home of His Father, and inwardly His Light and Sound forms are permanently implanted though He may have left the earth plane.(Sat Sandesh, December 1974, page 24)

I feel repentant and sad as I know not how to contact my Beloved.

He lives in the high heavens while I am a creature of the earth

and miserable without Him.

(Kabir)



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Question: In Spiritual Gems, page 313 it says: “When spirit is attached to Naam, It draws one toward Itself and the door is opened. Until this happens, no

one need think he can get in.” Please explain if one does not get “through thedoor” but desires never to reincarnate but does one’s best, even if it is only a

“widow’s mite”, need one reincarnate?

Master: The account of those who have received Initiation is in the hands of

the Master from the time of Initiation. If a disciple after Initiation keeps faithwith an intense love and strong longing for the Master, does not fall into bad

habits and does not commit foul deeds but has not, due to adverse circumstancesor for some other reasons, been able to give full time to the spiritual practices,

he is after death made to stay at some intermediate stage to complete Bhajan and

Simran before he is eventually taken upwards.

Rebirth is only for those who lost their faith, go in actual opposition to theinstructions of the Master or who do foul deeds and have very low desires andgross worldly tendencies. That the pan of the scales goes down which is

overloaded, and not the other, is the Law. (Spiritual Elixir , 58, 59)



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Spiritual Growth

Question: Is the nature and extent of our spiritual growth or advancement

beyond the tenth door determined by our past lives?Master: Yes - in a way it is determined. A man is in the making. One who has

passed primary class will get admission to the next higher grade. One who has just been put on the way will take his or her own time. However, there is no

hard and fast rule about it. The one who has been put on the way progresses

more by regular devotion of time to meditations with full faith than one with adifferent background who is not regular in his meditations.(http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

Question: Master, if I or if we followed your teachings exactly, how long

would it take us to reach the inside?

Master: There's no hard and fast rule for that. The more accurately you live it--

you'll have quicker results. Some men come with background--they start--if they go on like that--regularly--then they will go on progressing. Another man

who has started here afresh, who has no background but is really on the Way, if both of them go on regularly - that's all right. But if the one who has got

background goes by fits and starts, first runs like a hare sometimes, then sleeps

sometimes; the other man who has started afresh and who's regular, will goahead of him. You follow what I mean? Regularity pays. Even those who havegot background will have more if they put in more time. If they have

background and they don't put in more regular time then, naturally, the other man will go ahead. So there's no hard and fast rule for that. You can finish it all

in this one birth! The proper guidance and help is there and you are to live up tothat. (The Light of Kirpal , page 125)





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Question: In his book, Dr. Julian Johnson said that one year of meditation onthis plane is worth a hundred on the higher planes. Is that true?

Master: Yes. Here you can advance higher. There it takes years; here it takes

months. You can have quicker results in the earthly life.(Sat Sandesh, November 1975, page 14)

Question: What type of life is most conducive to spiritual progress?

Master: Keeping commandments one hundred percent and developingreceptivity. Then you’ll have one hundred percent of the fruit.( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, page 191)

Question: Can a sinner like myself attain to Godhood in this very lifetime?

Master: Yes, you can attain Godhood during this lifetime provided you work

for it strictly according to the behests of the Master. Let His words abide in youand you abide in Him. You have been granted the sacred boon of the holy

Initiation which is a valid visa on to the Sach Khand and it is your earnest efforts

and steadfastness which would bless you with fruition of your wish in duecourse. (Spiritual Elixir , 45)



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Question: I wonder if you'd talk about our home in Sach Khand.

Master: Suppose you've seen a beautiful building or the palace of a king

somewhere and then you go to some small village made up of only earth bricks

(not even fully ripened). I want to give you an example. You may spend sometime in the astral, very little in the causal, nothing more. These are matters to beexperienced.

The stage at which God comes into full expression is in Sach Khand or Sat Naam. That can only be experienced in the spiritual planes. There are physical,

astral, causal and beyond them the spiritual planes.

You can be given some poor description to some extent of the astral and causal

planes, but beyond that really cannot be understood in this language.

Question: Is it possible to talk about what it's like living there?

Master: It is just like a bubble of water in the sea, sometimes found up to Sat

Lok. It is all Light, scintillating Light, very strong. It cannot be compared with

the astral or the causal Lights. If you enter that place, it is just like fountains of Light gushing out. Still beyond is the entrance hall to Sat Lok. The fountains of

Light come gushing out. It is something like that. (The Light of Kirpal , page 42)

If the eight Paradises were opened in my hut, and the rule of both worlds were

given in my hands, I would not give for them that single sigh which rises atmorning time from the depth of my soul in remembering my longing for Him.

(Bayezid Bistami)



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Receptivity

Question: Master, how can true receptivity be developed?

Master: I issued one circular on that. Have you read it?

Disciple: I don't remember at this moment.

Master: That's the pity, that's the pity. Anyhow, receptivity is developed onlywhen there's no other thought intervening between you and the Master. From

thousands of miles you see through television, you hear through radio when youare tuned into those machines. But you cannot hear sounds in an atmosphere

during monsoons or very rainy seasons. Similarly, in the calm and quiet, withno ripples in the reservoir of mind except the Master having pity on you, then

receptivity will develop. A help to receptivity is sweet remembrance, constant.That will develop receptivity. (The Light of Kirpal , pages 346)

O Friend, I want Your Sustenance, O Beloved, I want to serve and obey.

It’s my duty to obey and follow You. My life, my soul, I bestow on You.

I heard the whisper of Your love once, I yearn to hear that invocation once again!(Sanai Ghaznavi)





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Question: How can a Satsangi who has never met the physical Master developdeep love for the Master?

Master: Do you know the definition of a Master? Do you know what He is?

Do you understand what a Master is?Disciple: God in the flesh.

Master: That's all right, or Word made flesh. He has got another aspect, as son

of man. So if He's Word made flesh and you are given a contact with the Wordwithin you, the outer expression of which is Light and Sound, the more you

come in contact with that, Master will appear of itself, because He is Word madeflesh. Do you follow? So the only difficulty is that we are not fully devoted to

meditation. The Light and Sound principle are the two outward aspects of Word."Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet," is it not? The longer you come in contact

with That, naturally love will overflow, and even manifest, even if you have notseen Him. Do you follow? And moreover you people are in contact through

correspondence.

Here in India we find, sometimes in the West also, initiates have the form of the

Master the very first day. Some have the form of the Master after regular

practice for some time, even those who have not seen me.

And further, sweet remembrance develops receptivity. When nothing remains

between the Master and the disciple, he becomes the mouthpiece. Like wireless

telegraphy, they tick here and the very ticking goes across the ocean.(The Light of Kirpal , page 374)



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Faith

Question: How does faith in the Master-Power develop?

Master: By regular practice. Faith is, I would say, the root cause of religion.For faith you must have something to stand on.

Some people are in the make already, they have that grown already. Othershave to form faith in due course, not all at once. So it's better when you see you

are helped by Master in all your affairs; when you see some improvement inyour inner way. First, when you see quite impossible things are made very

softened down, naturally faith arises. Faith is the root cause of all religion. If

there is no ground, where will the building stand?

First, you have to take it as a hypothesis, then you must benefit regularly byseeing or by experiencing your faith. The Masters say: Don't believe unless yousee for your own self what is what. The more you come in contact with Master,

and the more you become receptive, the more faith you will have in Him.(The Light of Kirpal , page 105)

Love has come and it flows like blood beneath my skin,through my veins. It has emptied me of my self and filled me with the Beloved.

The Beloved has penetrated every cell of my body. Of myself there remains

only a name, everything else is Him.(Rumi)



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The Master

Question: Are the God and God-Man (Master) considered one and the same?

Master: Yes, it is so, but there very few who can develop this much receptivityand understand this rare phenomenon. The physical plane is a realm of duality

where illusion prevails most and only spiritually illumined may testify to such astatement for their own personal conviction as given by some of them; i.e. “I and

my Father are One” and “Father and Son have taken the same colors” etc.(Spiritual Elixir , 29, 30)

Question: There are many self-styled masters. How may one know a True

Master?

Master: A True Master is dedicated to bring souls back to the True Home of

their Father. A True Master gives more than mere theory. He gives experience

to His disciple. He shows the way to God, which is within. God and Master arewithin. This question usually besets every true seeker after God.

In my boyhood I had the same doubts and questioning before me. I did not dareto go to any Master for fear of encountering an imperfect master and then my

whole life would be one of frustration. So I earnestly prayed to God for

guidance. My prayer was heard. A True Master began to appear to me in mymeditations seven years before I came to Him physically, whom I recognized to

be the same Great Master Sawan Singh.

Your question remains -- how to recognize a True Master? Outwardly we

should see that He has no selfish motives. He should be living on His own hard-

earned money. He should not be fond of outward pomp and show. He will livea simple life. His thoughts will be pure.

His true qualifications will lie in His ability to give the initiate some first-handexperience by opening the inner eye to see the Light of God and inner ear to

hear the Voice of God, the Sound Principle. The extent of this experience will be according to the background of the initiate and his receptivity.

After Initiation the only rules for judging for one's self is one's own inner ascentto the Spiritual Planes whereby one can see for himself, and meet all Masters -

past or present, where ever they are, in the upper or lower planes. Those whocontact the Master inside and talk to Him know.(http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)







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A Ruling Passion for God

Question: Master, what’s the greatest obstacle to one’s being totally devoted to

you?Master: No ruling passion. Want of ruling passion.(Sat Sandesh, September 1975, page 4)

Question: How do I develop a ruling passion for God?

Master: How do you develop a ruling passion to meet someone?

Disciple: By thinking of them?

Master: Naturally. If you meet somebody you love, you talk about him. Youwould like to hear somebody talking about him. You would like to read

something about him. If you love somebody and somebody tells you somethingabout the one you love, then naturally he is more dear to you than whom you

love. He who tells me about God, is my true friend.

That (remembrance) will develop more attraction in you, which will grow, become passionate. So the first thing is to have sweet remembrance, growingstronger day to day until you cannot live a moment without Him. Then He

comes!

The child cries and (the mother) comes to give him something to eat and again

goes away. Again he cries until nothing satisfies him but the mother taking himin her arms. When you want nothing else other than Him, He comes.( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, 43)



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Surrender

Question: Master, in the book Godman, you mention there are two paths back

to God: One the path of surrender, which you say is the hardest, and the other the path of spiritual discipline.

Master: Yes.

Disciple: Could you comment on the difference between the two paths, please?

Master: When you come to the Master, the first thing is to obey Hiscommandments, keep them. That is duty bound. No less, no more. Do at least

that much. Live according to what He wants. In this way, you’ll have 1/3 of theteachings of the Master. Until now you are business like, “I put in two hours

today.” To earn His pleasure, do what he says and then go on. Surrender doesnot involve your intellectual discrimination. Just simply do whatever He wants.

Father Abram bought a slave and brought him home. In those days the slaves

were bought like animals. Father Abram asked him, “Where will you sit?” The

slave said, “I am bought, where is the question of my chair for sitting?” “Whatwill you eat?” He asked (the slave) that very question. “I have no choice, I am

bought.” “What will your clothes be?” “Whatever you give, I am bought.”

Surrender is also of two categories. You do not scale. You do not discriminate

intellectually. You’ll never care what comes – more or little. You simply obeywhat He says. So surrender means you get the two-thirds more of the teachings

given, to make you full. We are not to care for anything at all. Do you follow

what I say?

I told you the other day about one science professor I know in 1912, whom Iused to see saying prayers for hours. One day I questioned him, “Namez is only

required to be done five times, six times in obeisance. Why all this?” “The five,

six times is binding on us, but I do more times to earn His pleasure, you see.”And for this you have also got discrimination to earn His pleasure. And some

days you have not even given that much. That is the difference.( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, pages 175, 176)

Question: Master, why don’t you heal yourself? You are all-powerful.

Master: (Master ponders the question) Why don’t you heal yourself ? If

anybody whom you love gives you something, would you refuse it? Tell me.What does he hope to do. He would gladly accept it. (His Grace Lives On, page 188)



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Question: If I need guidance from the Master and am not able to go up withinand contact Him and get a definite answer but yet I pray to Him, how will I

know whether what I have decided to do is true guidance or merely my ownmind acting?

Master: The initiate who contacts the Master within of which the genuinenessis tested by the repetition of the charged Names given to him, can have direct

reply which will stand true. Until then an initiate in all his affairs – mundane or spiritual – should attend to them carefully and do the best he can with serene

detachment and self-abnegation, attaching no importance to the rewardswhatsoever and leave the rest to the Master-Power working overhead.(Spiritual Elixir , 33)

When you’ve surrendered both the mind and body, there’s nothing more that you

can then surrender. How very sad it makes me feel to think

there’s nothing more I now can give my Master.(Kabir)

I go to the house of my one true Lover. When I see His beauty,

I only crave Him more. At dusk I go to Him, at dawn I return. Whatever His pleasure, day and night I am His. The clothes He gives me, I wear. The food He

offers, I eat. Where He wants me to be, I stay. If He wants to sell me, I want to be sold. My love for the Beloved has lasted through many rebirths, without Him

I scarcely breathe. She offers herself to Him in all of her lives.(Mirabai)



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Mind

Question: Why is mind considered a formidable barrier to spiritual progress?

Master: Mind in its present state is burdened with huge karmic load of pastlives. It is enthralled by the outgoing faculties of senses and is thus driven

helplessly into the mire of sense-gratification. The alphabet of spiritual progresscommences with the control of mind. It is said that unless mind is controlled,

senses are disciplined, and intellect is stilled, we cannot have experience of Self-

realization.

Human body is just like a chariot wherein soul is the rider, mind is the driver,

intellect is the reins and senses are the powerful steeds running amuck in themire of sensuous gratification. It is for this reason that for having a retrace of

the facts, the senses are to be disciplined, intellect stilled and mind controlled sothat the inner experience of soul can be had.

Mind is accustomed to roam about externally through ages. Unless it is offeredsomething more joyous within, it cannot be controlled…

To subdue the mind by force is impracticable. It has to be won over steadily by

persuasion and by giving it some foretaste of the real happiness which a Master-Saint alone can do. (Edited from the original) (Spiritual Elixir , 69-71)

I wish that I had wept so much in my longing to meet the Lordthat the tears from my eyes had swelled into a river,

and every tear drop had turned into a spiritual pearl.Then I would have placed all those pearls

before the altar of my Beloved.

(Rumi)



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Question: Why does mind not relish its spiritual discipline?

Master: Human mind is so fashioned by Providence that it does not like to be

captivated. It is ever restless unless it reaches its true abode. It is an agent of

the Negative Power tied to each soul and will not allow the latter to proceed tothe True Home of the Father.

The Masters instruct us for taming it for the higher purpose of spiritual progress.

As a matter of fact, mind is helpless against the onslaught of senses which are intheir turn driven into the jungle of gratification…

…The spiritual disciplines are irksome and galling to it for they impose seriousrestraints on its free movement. This is why the mind does not relish any

discipline, and plays all kinds of tricks to evade them, posing at times as anhonest broker pleading on behalf of our friends and relations and whispering

sermons on our duties and obligations towards the world in varied aspects of life.Unless one is very vigilant and is equipped with a quick discernment, one fails

to see through its pranks and falls an easy prey to them.

It is the outstretched gracious Hand of the Master which helps us to wade

through jungles of sensuous wilderness. Ethical discipline if cultivated under

the protective guidance of the Master is helpful for spiritual progress. Ethics

and spirituality go hand in hand. The former is the soil and latter the seed whichthrives and blooms in favorable circumstances. (Edited from the original)(Spiritual Elixir , 71-73)

Each who has seen Your beauty fine utters honestly, “I have seen the Divine.”

Everywhere Your lovers wait for grace, remove Your veil, reveal Your face!(Ahmad Jam)



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Question: Is there any good or helpful characteristic of mind?

Master: Yes, mind like Janus, has another face as well. If it is trained properly

by gentle persuasion and kindly words of advice, with a little patting now and

then, it can be converted from a formidable foe into a valuable friend and ahelping hand to the soul in its search for Truth. It is just a question of time and patience to bring about this conversion, and when it is done, one can have no

better helpmate than the mind.

It has the capacity, chameleon-like, to take on the color of the ground where it

squats and that indeed is a redeeming feature. When living on the circumferenceof life, it expands outwards, downward; but rooted as it is in the Gaggan (the

second plane on the Path), it is not impervious to the higher and holier influences of a Master-soul to whom it responds and He channelizes it the other

way about.

Like fire it is a very good servant but a bad master. Mind has helpful quality of

running into the grooves of habit, and to relish acts of repetitive nature. We can

benefit from this by inducing it towards good acts leading to spiritual discipline

and progress. A Saint has beautifully said, “My feet proceed farther and farther;the mind follows quite meekly and cheerfully.”

If by careful and steady striving we could induce our mind to sit silently for meditations at the fixed time for a certain number of days, a good habit will be

formed. It is a proven fact that when that hour of meditation will arrive our attention will be drawn towards it, and by degrees we shall begin to relish to

meditate...(Edited from the original) (Spiritual Elixir , 73, 74)

Question: How can the dross of mind be washed away?

Master: The dross of mind can be washed clean. The sovereign and the most potent remedy to wash the mind clean, say all the Masters, is by communion

with the holy Word - the God-in-action Power creating and sustaining all that is

visible and invisible. To be in tune with the Music of the Soul is to cut asunder and to sunder forever the knots which at present bind the material body with theconscious soul, imprisoned in the body with countless fetters. Guru Nanak says

in Jap Ji: “When the hands, feet and the body are besmeared, they are washed

with water; when the clothes get dirty and polluted, they are cleansed by soap;when one’s mind gets defiled by sin, it can be purified only by communion with

the Word. (Spiritual Elixir , 75, 76)



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Master: Ever since you have come - are you improving? That's the point. If itis getting better, then it's all right. The word better means more than before.

You see? What do you see now?

Disciple: Well, I see Light at each sitting, but it's dimmer now than it was before. I have difficulty with my mind, controlling my mind. I try to keepremembrance ...

Master: No, no, no. It is not you who are to control the mind. It is that Power within you, the contact of which has been given to you. The more you come in

contact with That, mind will be controlled. It is only God Power that cancontrol it, and you have been given a contact with that God Power in the form of

Light and Sound. The more you come in contact with That, the more the mindwill be stilled. When that Sound begins to be heard, without closing your ears,

all the time, then your mind will be controlled.

Do you hear the Sound at any time without closing your ears? Yes? It means

that will develop, and you will hear all the time, you will have a sort of

intoxication, that will just keep your mind controlled ...(The Light of Kirpal , page 131)

I am bewildered by the magnificence of Your beauty

and wish to see You with a hundred eyes! My heart has burned with passion andhas searched forever for this wondrous beauty that I now behold! My arrow of

love has arrived at the target. My soul is screaming in ecstasy.Every fiber of my being is in love with You!

(Rumi)





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Question: How do I keep my mind from wandering off in other directions? Mymind goes off, and then I drag myself back again. It keeps on…

Master: I know, I know, I know, very high show, you see. The point is like

that: any child, one child, who is in a room - you shut him up there. What willhe do? He will simply break the doors and cry. Is it not? And if the child findssomething very interesting inside to engage his attention, he will keep quiet. Is

it not? Similarly, if we get something inside to stay on, more interesting thanthe outer things, your mind will not wander away.

Question: Master, how to find that “something” that keeps us inside?

Master: At the time of initiation, you are given some experience, however little

it may be; that has to be developed by putting in regular time, you see? In anaccurate way.

Question: I had a little bit in the Initiation, but I cannot get now the same thing back in my meditation. What is wrong?

Master: You see, if you had observed the restrictions given at the time of initiation, I think you would not have lost it. Again, that can be had again, I

would say, by devoting time regularly. First of all: any experience you haveinside, you are not to tell others. And you might have told somebody, and that

has stopped. This is one restriction laid down very strictly. If you do that, you

will lose it; because the mind of other people does affect. You lost that way:

now, again, that can be had. Start afresh. Tomorrow, sit down, and you will, Ihope, improve in a day or two. (Sat Sandesh, September 1976, page 12)

Question: The ability to focus attention with more firmness; is that a matter of

strength or energy or...

Master: That is a matter of love--the very easy way. Intellectuals will say

otherwise, but it is love. No compulsion, nothing of the sort, natural.

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Question: How can we become passive and attain absolute stillness and silenceinside to enable us to obtain the bliss of the Light of Lights?

Master: There are no short cuts on the spiritual path. One has to work for the

spiritual bliss. Mind, like fire, is a good servant but a bad master.While sitting for meditation we have to free the mind of all thoughts and theintellect of all reasoning. This can be achieved by a mental revolution. What in

the world is after all ours? Nothing, not even the body, the mental apparatus andthe wealth that one may possess. These are given to us for a legitimate use only.

They belong to the Giver. Why not surrender them at the holy Feet of the God-Man when attending to the task assigned by Him – to wit, to sit at the eye-focus

and lovingly gaze within with devoted undivided attention, mentally repeatingthe Charged Words very very slowly, maybe at intervals, so as not to disturb the

gaze.

Gradually it will, by practice, become a habit and a second nature with you, and

the Master Power above will take care of you, and without any effort on your

part, you will find your “Self” rising above body consciousness into

consciousness of a Higher Order.

Love, longing and devotion are the key-notes on the Path Godwards.(Spiritual Elixir , 11, 12)

Question: What causes or how can one overcome the blankness after about

thirty minutes of concentration?

Master: Thought is the keynote to success. The inversion with the help of

repetition of Charged Names makes for inner withdrawal of the sensory currentsfrom the body below to the eye-focus; then starts the second phase of Dhyana –

the Contemplation. It can be attained by absorbing your attention into the inner Divine Light so much so that you forget yourself entirely.

The blankness after about thirty minutes felt by you is due to your lack of sustained practice and absorption within. It is by hard effort and strict spiritual

discipline that the human body is purified of the impurities of the mind and thus

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Question: You say in your meditation instructions, "Look into the middle of what you see," but I have trouble seeing the middle.

Master: Middle means what? Just explain. What do you mean by middle?

What do you understand at least?Disciple: I don't know what the middle is, because if I think of middle visuallylike with my eyes, then I think of my eyes and...

Master: I always say don't think of the flesh or bones of the eyes or forehead.

Disciple: When I don't think of the eyes then there's just a vast field.

Master: Yes, in front you see some vast darkness. When you close your eyes

you see darkness. And darkness is a wide expanse. The middle does not meanmiddle point.

Disciple: Oh.

Master: You see. So I have been telling you just that much area (Master cups

His hands to indicate a space 6-8 inches in front of Him), that much, not one point. You cannot stay on one point. But you can stay within that area. You

see. This is what is meant by the middle. The middle does not mean a point.You follow me now? (The Light of Kirpal , page 314)

Question: Is the formless or sun like Light also considered the Form of theMaster?

Master: Yes, it is the Astral Form of the Master Power and when one attains

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Question: What happens to initiates who are given initiation and then fail tomeditate?

Master: That seed is not lost. No power can spoil it. That will grow, grow, and

grow, sooner or later, when convenient circumstances arise. So such-like peoplewhen they suffer some sickness, some untoward circumstances, naturally theysay, "Oh God, what have I done?" If a man turns, then he comes around. I have

seen cases like that.

My Master used to say, "I give a long rope. Let us see how far he goes." Then

with a little tug, he comes and answers, you see. Even if he does not doanything in this birth, that seed is not lost. He will reincarnate at the level of

man, not below, because the seed cannot grow anywhere else.

Man is in the make as I told you. Some are ready, some are not so ready. So a

man who has got this seed and has perhaps done something in the past, thatcounts to his credit. Suppose a man leaves a school in the primary class; in the

next school he won't read from the first primary again, he'll start ahead.

But there is one thing very definite, I tell you: Love is a great force. If you have

love for the Master, even if you are a sinner, you will be dragged like anything.

What is sin? To let your attention be attached to the outside things - maybe

good or bad things, excuse me. Even if it is attached to right things, it is animpediment. You are attached! You must withdraw.

Those who have love for the Master, where will they go? Where the Master goes. But that should be the ruling passion with love and full faith - only in that

case. That is rare, of course. But for those who have done a little work, it is likea canker in the wood which sometimes eats the inner wood itself; outside it

appears all right. Those who are given initiation, that works like a canker, I tellyou. Outwardly they appear worldly, then slowly, slowly, slowly they are

detached. Towards the end they say, "Oh God, lead me on."

Help is also coming from within; the Master is there always. We must turn our

face to Him, that's all. The more receptive we become, the quicker results we

will have. (The Light of Kirpal , page 5)

O Master, give me that right discrimination

that the lure of the world may cheat me no more.

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Question: What makes one stray from this golden Grand Trunk Road of Spirituality after finding the True God-Man and sacred Initiation from Him?

Master: It is the ego in humans which debars them from Spiritual Illumination.

It can be annihilated only by stern spiritual discipline and a sacred schedule of holy meditations together with deep reverential humility. Sometimesuncongenial environments do affect the spiritual progress of the dear initiates,

who should always pray for right understanding and Divine Grace.(Spiritual Elixir , 10)

Question: Does incorrect meditation count in our favor?

Master: It is better as compared with not doing it. But it is up to you, if you

want to progress here. Hafiz, who was a great Saint of Persia, said, "Sit down inmeditation at His door. Don't think whether He has heard you or not. Your duty

is to sit at His door, quite cut off from the world and that is all, nothing more to be done." Do we sit quite cut off from the world? If so, you will have it. Why

don't we transcend? Because we are attached; we've got so many entanglements,you see. (The Light of Kirpal , pages 74, 75)

Just to see Thy face again, I once more took the physical form.

Thy face draws my heart out with its beauty. Just to see that reflection of GodI came again to this world.

(Bhai Nandlal)







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Disciple: Do you still want us to have exactly the same amount of Soundlistening as Sight viewing?

Master: That depends on how far you would like to advance. Excuse me. If

you want to advance, you would like to put in more time. Both are counterparts,Light and Sound, you see. I say if you give equal time, you'll advance quicker.But generally we do not. Simply hearing the Sound, Sound will drag you into

the beyond; you'll see Light. Man must know where he's going; both Light andSound are a necessity to know where you're going, and the Sound will be

dragging you like anything. You do not know where you're going, so boththings should be developed. Sound Principle is the guiding principle. Those

who take up only Light, they may be enveloped by Light, but do not know

where to go further. The Sound Principle guides there. Both things go hand inhand. (The Light of Kirpal , page 75)

Question: Master, if the Sound is heard from the side without putting the

thumbs into the ears, should we still put the thumbs into the ears?

Master: The Sound which is heard without plugging the ears is a gift to simply

keep your attention engaged, the hearing of which would not allow any foreigneffects to enter therein. But unless you close your ears and sit for hearing, that

Sound won't come from above and drag you into the beyond. That's the

difference. Both have their own value. The first is to keep your attention,

"Some power is over your head." If you turn your attention to that Sound youwill do all your work and not be affected by outward influences. It will act as asheet anchor against negative effects--you will be air-conditioned. Do you

follow? That will be the effect of the Sound which is heard without closing the

ears. This will come in due course. Even if you are working that will go on

within. That is a sort of protection extended. That is God Power. But unlessyou withdraw here by sitting, that Sound won't be able to drag you into the

beyond. That is the difference. (The Light of Kirpal , page 280)

Question: Is it alright if I experience visual inner glimpses while sitting in

Bhajan?

Master: One thing should be done at a time. You should try to absorb your

attention completely either in the Divine Light by looking into its middle or listening to the holy Sound Current as coming from the right side with rapturous

attention. If you do both the practices together, attention will be divided.(Spiritual Elixir , 22)



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The Charged Words

Question: Have all Sikh Gurus given out the same words, back to Guru Nanak?

Master: Yes. There are thousands of names. These are the names chosen bySaints because they are related – directly concerned with the planes, something

representing those planes, quite near to them. All other names are qualitative.These are not qualitative, but (they) give some clue of those planes. These

names are given in the books, also, but they are not charged. When charged,

anything that will come will also be charged. ( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, 45)

Question: What is the nature of the charge that you put into the words?

Master: Thought transference. Thought transference. It works through the

thought transference. The words are charged because the thought transference isthere. Now I tell you, these names are given by so many; but the people don't

get any experience. When anybody (initiated by another) comes to me and asks,I simply say, "Repeat these names: all right, now sit down." And by thought

transference he gets experience. You follow me?

And further, one thing more. If you leave fruit-bearing trees to nature, they will

take six to seven years to bear fruit. If they are handled by scientific ways those

very fruit trees will give you fruit in two or three years. So these words comingfrom a competent man, will increase your progress within. What you would doin a hundred years you can do in, say, three years. That's the difference. The

words work against the Negative Power behind. Moreover, if the NegativePower appears or there are any delusions created within, and you repeat the

Names (the words which carry the thought transference) they'll be off. Thecharging will help. (The Light of Kirpal , page 63)

Question: In some types of work I am not able to keep full remembrance of theMaster. How can I remain permanently close to you and at the same time do mywork?

Master: In the beginning, you see, whatever involves your memory or brain…that you will have to do one thing at a time. Later on when this habit is

formed, that goes on automatically. You will see, your job will be done and youwill keep the commandments. But that will develop in due course, not in one

day. Go Jolly! ( Kirpal Singh: His Grace Lives On, page 192)









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Question: Would the Master speak briefly on the raising and disciplining of children?

Master: Are you parents or not?

Disciple: Yes.

Master: You see, look here: Whenever you bring up any child, what would youlike? You would like the child to be an ideal one – more active, more

conscientious, more wise – is it not? Then set an example for him; first thing.

Second: You try to bring him round from the wrong thing that he is doing that

he does not understand. Bring him round by polite words, kind words – not byrebuke. Because man must know. Man learns and unlearns all through life. If

the child has done something wrong, please make him understand what the

wrong thing is that he has done, once or twice. If you are going to slap him one,two, three, four times, poor fellow does not know what is the wrong he has done!So we must politely bring the child round so that he may not do it in the future.

Our duty is to bring up children and make them ideal men – even better than youare. If you are to bring up a child, Masters say, bring him up a Saint or bring

him up a brave man, or a man who will help others. Bringing forth children whoare of no use is taking a burden for nothing. Either he should be a Saint, he

should be a brave man, or he should be one who will be of service to all others.

These are the three things.

Question: How much should a parent forebear a child’s rebellion?

Master: There are two reasons for that. One thing is, truly speaking, we are

responsible for the children. The child in the womb is affected by the mother’s

thoughts. If you are very saintly, the child must be saintly. Only a saintly soul

will enter. And the child develops as it receives impressions in the womb. Even physical impressions are received in the womb, what to speak of thoughts.

Further: As a reaction of the past, men are brought together to pay off their debts.Then we are to adjust ourselves. You must set an example to them. Children

copy what the parents do. Parents do not know, but they copy them. So if thereactions have to be paid off, that is natural consent. Pay off lovingly and give

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Karma

Question: How much our lives are preordained, and what part does free will

play after we become initiates?Master: Six things are preordained or covered by fate-karma; viz. health and

sickness, poverty and opulence, honor and ignominy. Strenuous effort, self-control and discipline do play an important role for our betterment with the

grace of the Master. Many dear ones with unhappy and checkered careers claim

to have become saintly persons after holy initiation and faithful meditations onholy Naam. (http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

Question: Can karma apply to nations as well as individuals?

Master: Yes. The cumulative reaction of karmic debt of nations results in wars,epidemics, destruction by fire or floods, etc. For exhaustive explanation a

reference is invited to the book Wheel of Life. (Spiritual Elixir , 40)

Question: How does karma work on lower animals?

Master: Lower animals or forms of creation are bound by their past karmicdebt and they do not contract any more karma during their life span. Theysimply are born to undergo their karmic liquidation. (Spiritual Elixir , 42)













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Disciple: I've been having some lusty dreams.

Master: That's the reaction of the thoughts during the day. That's all.

Disciple: Everything else is fine, progress is good.

Master: That's all right, thank God. But keep a vigilant watch over your

thoughts during the day. Don't look into the eyes of others. That's the main place that you get the infection. Eyes are the windows of the soul. So only look

into the eyes of someone who is chaste. All right, if what you want is to look into the eyes, you will be affected. If you're a strong soul, you must affect

others. If you are weak, others will affect you; it's but natural.

Keep constant vigilant watch over your thoughts, every moment. If you watch

the present moment, that will go on till eternity. Nothing can go wrong. It is

what you digest--reading and amassing your brain with facts and figures, allscriptures of the world won't help you.

Right understanding only comes with God's Grace. Even if Grace comes, unless

you live up to it, something is still lacking. So that is why it is said: First isGod's Grace. He has given you human birth. This means you can go up: go

back to your home. Again His Grace--the second Grace--you met somebodywho was Word made flesh. This is His Grace. Then that Word made flesh--

(Grace was there) gave you something to start with. So all this--God's Grace

and Master's Grace is done. So many thousands of dollars have been deposited

in your name. Now comes the third Grace--your own grace--have grace on your own self, and go to the window where that money can be drawn. So even God's

Grace and the Master's Grace does not help much unless you have Grace onyour own self, you see. The whole thing depends on you.

When you have the right understanding, that's all right, that's His Grace. Whenyou have the right understanding that you have been given something, some

capital to start with, and you don't go to draw the capital? Whose fault is it?Tell me whose fault it is. Ours? No--it's your fault unless you have Grace on

your own self, pity on yourself, I would say, God's Grace and Master's Grace do

not fruit fully. Do you follow me? (The Light of Kirpal , page 138)

Never again in this world have I beheld beauty like Yours.

Mira says: My Lord, when shall we meet?

Great will be the joy of that meeting.(Mirabai)





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Death

Question: What happens after death; do we enter another place to go through a

period of birth and growth and groping until we find our Master again?Master: It is supposed that the question relates to the initiates of the Living

Master only and as such, it should be understood in the light of what follows.The dear ones who have been blessed with the sacred boon of holy Initiation

into the Mysteries of the Beyond, are all granted full protection by the gracious

Master-Power in the Beyond.

Most of their karmic debts are paid off as they had lived their normal fate karma.

Smaller karmic debts are paid off even before leaving off the body and as suchthey are not reincarnated. If, however, there remain some overwhelming

worldly desires, the initiated souls are granted human birth, but are placed insuch congenial environments where they will have the chance of continuing

their inner journey, by meeting the Living Master working at the time. Spiritualgrowth and progress thus continues under His guidance.(ruhanisatsangusa.org/gemsqa.htm)

Question: You should have faith in Master even if you have shortcomings

when you die.

Master: If you have faith in the Master and you have no attachments to theworld then many things are clarified, paid off in life. The Master sees that many

Karmas of the initiate are paid off. If there is no attachment left for worldlyaffairs, and he has so much love for the Master, nothing is dragging him to

worldly affairs, then he has not to return. If he has so much love and faith inMaster--Love beautifies. Love, and all other things are perfumed.

Master pays off all debts of the past of His disciples. Such like who have not paid off, whose Karmas cannot be washed out, come back but not below man

body. If there is so much overwhelming love for the Master, all attachments arecut off... You have to work for that. Why not do your work here? What you cando here in months, there you have to do in years. Better you do here.

Faith and love. Faith like a child's faith in his mother, like a child running froma lion into the arms of his mother. The child has full faith that the mother won't

let him be harmed. So much love that all other attachments are forgotten. Doyou follow what I say? (The Light of Kirpal , page 278)





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Question: Master, if your devotees are not able to rise above the bodyconsciousness adequately, are they saved when they pass on?

Master: The point is, by putting in regular time in the spiritual practices, you

become like wood that appears all right from the outside, but within is all eatenaway by ants. Those who devote their time by coming in contact with the Lightand Sound Principle are naturally inwardly cut off, unattached. Do you see?

The real attachment begins to be with God and with the higher planes. Such-like souls are not to return, because they are not attached to the world. They are

kept in the higher planes and advance further.

Those who do not do anything at all - they take the talents (reference is to the

parable of the talents in the Bible, Matthew 25: 14-30) and bury themunderground - have to come back but not below the man-body because in the

man-body only this can develop.

So, those who, for instance, have advanced to the third state will go directly to

the third plane. Those who have advanced one, will go one. You’ll find that

those who are initiated are fed up with worldly things. Outwardly they are

doing things, but still, in their hearts, they want to leave. This is but natural.When we sit by fire, naturally cold will leave us. We have to go where we are

attached. If we are attached to higher things, then naturally we are not to return;we are to develop from there. And whatever stage we have developed now, wewill go straight up to at death.

Question: I heard through some source that even if you only love the Master

with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind, and you cannot withdraw,

that you are still saved when you pass on.

Master: I tell you, I tell you. Hear me. You are attached to what? To the Godin the Master. What is a Master? “The Word was made flesh.” If you have

love for Him, where will you go? Where He will go. If He is truly a Master,

you’ll go and not come back; you’ll go where He goes: to the higher planes. Atleast you won’t come to the earth again. This is but natural.

Why do we come back again and again to creation? Because we are attached.But how many are there who are really attached to the Master? Tell me. Veryfew. Only they who see the God in Him, who see that He is a God in man, areattached to Him; otherwise, generally not. I think, what more is left after that?



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One who is really attached to the Master in this way has not to come back to theearth; but he has to develop further. “As you think, so you become.” “It is I, not

now I, but Christ lives in me.” Something like that. If we love the Master,should we not obey His orders?

Question: Yes. But why can’t we always?

Master: We can, if we really love the Master. Take a worldly example: If you

have love for somebody, you simply respond to an inkling of what he wants; heneed not speak to you. Is it not so? Christ said, “If you love me, keep my

commandments.” And further, He said, “Let my words abide in you, and youabide in me.” What does it mean? How can you abide in Him? You react on

the one of whom you really think. Do you see? You develop receptivity. “Asyou think, so you become.” And don’t transcend any orders. This is true love.(Sat Sandesh, November 1975, pages 13, 14)

How do I love Thee? Let me count the ways.I love Thee to the depth and breath and height my soul can reach.

(Elizabeth Barrett Browning)





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Meaning of the Name Kirpal Singh

Question: Could you explain to me what the meaning of Kirpal Singh is?

Master: Names are names.

Question: But does it not have a meaning? Singh means something and Kirpal

means…?

Master: Kirpal means merciful.

Question: And Singh?

Master: Singh means lion. When the two are put together - Lion of Mercy. So

His ways are full of mercy. He’s very strict, mind that. He has got an iron hand

– but His gloves are very smooth-like. (Sat Sandesh, December 1974, page 11)

Sawan Ashram – After Last Satsang

August 11, 1974



I will cry to Thee and cry to Thee and cry to Thee

until the milk of Thy kindness boils up.

(Rumi)

May your soul be happy;

journey joyfully.(Rumi)

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