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Renegade:GordonNovelonCameraAvideointerviewwithGordonNovelLosAngeles,December2006

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryCassidyandBillRyan

G:MynameisGordonNovel.IhavebeeninvolvedinthingslikeWatergateandJFKsassassination,theDeLoreandramaandWaco.Andothersthatwouldbebetternotmentioned.

Theyrealloverourrights.Youknow,theConstitutionsoutthewindow.ThePatriotActisajoke.Itsafascistdocument.

OntheParadoxescreatedbyknowingthefuture

G:Why?Andtheansweris:paradoxes.Theyrecognizedinthemid50stheyprobablyhadrigsatDugwayetc,thatwasbeginningtogoupanddownfromthethingandtheybegantorecognizetheparadox.Theparadoxesare:Tellmehowyouregoingtoruntheeconomy.WeregettingreadytocutlooseastudywithArlingtonInstituteonhowdoyourunaneconomyifyouknowthefuture.Howdoyoudoit?Howdoyoudoit?

Gordon'svisionforthefuture


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G:Wereinterestedinthe,ah,Plutopianenhancementoftheeconomyfromabout44trillionGDPcurrentlytoaboutaquadrillionayearinabouttenyears,makingeverybodyabout100timesmorewealthyandspreadingthewealthoutandcausinganequalization.Andpeopledonthavetoworkiftheydonthavetopayforenergy.OnETG:Buthowmanyofemarereal?HaveyoueverseenaphotographofanETthatyoureallybelievedwasaphotographofET?AndtheanswerisIaintseenoneyet.AnddoIbelievetheyreoutthere?Ofcourse,yes,but,youknow...WhatBurischsaidseemstoberealandIwouldbelievethathegottomeetem...TheywouldinterfacewithMajesticbeforetheywouldinterfacewithagroupofmadrebels.OK?TheExtraterrestrialRevolutionG:Iminfavorofthe...whatIcalltheextraterrestrialrevolutionwhichgetsridoftheneedforgovernmentandallthisofcrapthatgoeswithit,thesedecisionmakersthatbasicallyscrewwithourliveseveryday.OnMajesticG:Theyknowthatwewillplayhardballandthatweknowhowtoplayhardball.Imean,nowthatwe...ThankstoBillHamiltonidentifyingalltheMajesticcharacters,wecanchaseem,youknow?Theyrechaseable.OnDanBurischG:Thatguysreallygotataleand...

KerryCassidy:Thatsright.

G:...andIwouldsuspectthatifheandIcouldgetonthesamepagethathewouldbeabletocommunicatetotheMajesticinnercircle:Hey,youneedtoconsiderwhattheseguysaredoingcause,youknow,theyregonnadoitwithyouorwithoutyou.Theyvegotyourtechnology.Theyvegotit.Theyrepreparedtofightyouatthedropofalawsuit.

K:Well,sowhatdoyouwanttodo?Youwantthemtojoinyourteam?

G:Well,ideally,itwouldbetogetMajesticonourside.

K:ThatswhatImaskingyou.

G:Yeah.Absolutely,youknow.ThenwecouldconfronttheBilderbergers.CausewhenItriedtoconfronttheBilderbergersviaKissingerandBrzezinski,thenextthingIknowisIm...Marijuanasturningupinmypocket,crackcocaineunderthefrontseatofmycar,thisvideotapeisgoingoutandda-da-da-dashowingmyapartmentsbeingblack-bagged.

K:[laughs]

G:Imean,itwasendless.Imean,Ivegotalistofallthatcrap.

G:WhatsthedifferencebetweentheMafiaandthegovernmentiftheyretrying

tokillyou?None.None.Theyreallthesame.Theyreallgangsters.IfIhadtodoabiographytoday,IdtitleitGovernmentbyGangster:MyExperiencesasaCitizenoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica.OnHalPuthoffG:Halhastoldmestoriesofinterviewsthatheshadwithgeneralswhosaid,Yes,weputallthemoneyintopayingforstudiesthatkeepuniversitiesfromdoinganygrantworkinthephysicsdepartment,inline.Wewouldgiveem5milliondollarstodothesexhabitsoffruitfliesandthattypekindofstuff.Andtheypaidoff.Theystoppedallantigravityresearchcommencinginthemid50s.


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Quotingaletteroftestimonial:

Forreasonsbeyondhiscontrol,Mr.Novelisnotresponsibleforthefinaleconomicplanning,construction,management,oroperationsoftheexposition.ForthemanyyearsIhaveknownMr.Novel,hehasalwaysbeenagentlemanandabusinessmanofhonorandintegritywithahighlycreativeandverybroadmacrovision.Hehasextensivebusiness,political,intelligence,researchandtechnicalskills,inprogramplanning,organizationandpropermanagement/executiononanyscale.

Duringthelongtermofourrelationship,Gordonhasbecomenationallyknownforhiscontroversialinvestigativeconcernsandsociopoliticalcampaigns.Heisinpointoffactanabsolutelyfearlessindividualinpursuitofthepeoplesjusticewhenhebelievesintherighteousnessofhiscause.BydefinitionheisatrueAmericanpatriot.

Ihighlyrecommendhimtoanyoneforhisexperience,leadership,genius,andpersistenceanddeterminationtoseehisorothersvisionssuccessfullyrealized.

Iamproudtocallhimmyfriend.

Sincerely,

BlaineKernChairman,KernStudios,NewOrleansApril25,2002

BillRyan:Isthatapublishableletter?

Gordon:Yes.

Startofinterview

K:So,Gordon,youareavery,letssay,notoriousindividual...

G:[laughs]

K:...andweareincrediblypleasedtobeabletointerviewyoutoday.Andyouvegotanincredibleprojectthatwerenotgonnatalkaboutatall,Idontthink.Butyouvecertainlygot...Youvecertainlyraisedourcuriosityandouradmirationbytheamazingamountofworkyouregoinginto,toactually...canIsay?Bringfreeenergytotheplanet?

G:Hopefully.

K:Hopefully?

G:Yeah.

K:OK.Tellmealittlebitaboutwhoyouare,forpeoplethathaveneverheard...Iknowitshardtobelieve,but...haveneverheardofGordonNovel.

G:Well,Idontknowhowto...MynameisGordonNovel.IhavebeeninvolvedinthingslikeWatergate,andJFKsassassination,andtheDeLoreandrama,andWaco,andothersthatwouldbebetternotmentionedthatweremoreintelligence


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oriented,orforeignintelligenceoriented,soIkindofstayawayfromtalkingaboutthat.

K:OK.

G:AndIhaveneverworkedfortheCIA.

K:Yes.

G:ImnotaCIAagent.Imaffiliated,Iworkwith,andwehaveamutualadmirationsocietybaseduponmyrelationshipwiththeindividualsIworkwith.

K:OK.Andcanyouname...

G:ButIdontworkforem.

K:...thoseindividualsornot?

G:Uh.Idprefernottoatthistime.Ithinkitwouldbeabetterideanottomentionthem.Theyreknownbut,theresno...Idontneedtheego-tripofthatassociation.

K:OK.AndrightnowyouactuallyhaveaprojectthatyourecomingtoHollywoodto,ah...amovie.ThatsOKtosay,right?

G:Yeah.Yeah.Yep.Weredoingatrilogy...aprojectonatrilogyoffilmscalledKingdomsComewithmyco-producerDougIvanovitchandwerecurrentlyintheprocessoffundingtheprojectinthehundredsofmillionsofdollarlevel.

K:OK.AndisitcorrectthattheCIAisactuallybackingyourotherproject?Isthatsomethingyouwanttosay?

G:Well,they...theyreinterestedinsupportingandendorsinganumberofthingsthatImdoingbecausetheyarecapableofchangingthingslikeglobalwarmingandgettingridofglobalwarming,andgettingridofthechaoticconditionsofourcurrentNewWorldOrderandthatkindofthing.Gettingridof

themurderandmayhemthatgoesonontheplanet.

K:OK.Andthisis,now,wouldyousay,thegoodsideoftheCIA?Thereismore...

G:Definitely.

K:...thanonesideoftheCIA,istherenot?

G:TheCIAhasmultiplesidesbutitsbeenmyexperienceovertheyearsthattheyrebasicallytheonlygoodguysintheentireUnitedStatesgovernment.Theyrereallypatriots.MostofemarepatriotsandIveneverknown...I

personallyhaveneverknownthemtodoanythingcriminal,ever.AndtheydidntkillJohnKennedyandtheydidntkillalotofpeoplethattheyvebeenaccusedofcausingthedeathofbutIdontknowthattobetrue.SoIcantellyouthatmyexperiencewithemhasbeenlikedealingwithEagleScouts.

K:OK.Howlonghaveyoubeendealingwiththem?

G:Sinceaboutage20.OnthedeathoftheKennedysK:DidyouhaveanythingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedyorJackKennedy?


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G:No,absolutelynot.Allthat...

K:Nowwhydopeoplethinkthatyoudid?

G:BecauseIwas...firstbecame...IwasworkingattheWhiteHouseandthenonacounter-intelligenceprojectthatwaskindofimportant.And...IgotreferencedovertoGarrisonandhemademehischiefofsecurity.AndIdiscoveredthathewasfabricatingevidence.AndhefoundoutthatIddiscoveredthatandheturneditovertoNBC.Sohedecidedthatthebestwaywastomakemehismostimportantmaterialwitness.Andhewasntaccusingmeofacrime,butitcostmealotofgriefandalotofpeoplethoughtIwasinvolved,whichIwasnt.Neverwasinvolvedinthat.Ihave...

K:OK.And...

G:...oneofthebestalibisintheworld.[chuckles]

K:Andyouactually...Youhavealotoffeeling,orsympatico,isntthattrue,withwhatKennedystoodfor?

G:Yeah.Iwasinfavorofhisrevelationsthatwereapparentlyabouttohappenhavingtodowithextraterrestrialtechnologies.AndIthinkthattheykepthiminthedarkonalotofstuffanditwasoneofthereasonsthatmotivatedhimtowanttogotothemoon.SoIwasveryproJohnF.Kennedy.

K:OK.And...

G:Verypro.

K:Verypro.

G:Yeah.

K:Uhhuh.AndwhataboutRobertKennedy?

G:IwaspersonallyaffiliatedwiththeAttorneyGeneralduringtheGarrisonthingandafterwards,uh,whenheranforPresident.Andmyonlyfeelingabouthimisthatheprobablyhelpedprecipitatealotoftheproblemsthatcausedtheassassinationofhisbrother...

K:OK.So...

G:...bychasingtheMafia,forexample.

K:Uhhuh?

G:TheMafiasupportedhisbrotherselection,substantively,andtheygotveryangryathim,alongwithfolksliketheex-GehlenOrg....GehlenOrganizationoftheNazisandotherpeoplelikethat,thatwereoutto...andMajestic,Imightadd...

K:OK.

G:...werereallyallouttogethimanddidntwanthimto,todo...


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K:SoMajesticwasaroundbackthen.

G:Yeah.

RobertKennedywasassassinatedbyaManchuriancandidate...

K:AnddidtheyhavesomethingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedy?

G:IdontthinkthattheyhadanythingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedy.RobertKennedywasmurderedbyassassination.ItwasaManchuriancandidatetypeofthingandIdontknowwhoengineeredit.ButIvenever,ever,knownanindividualattheCIAtoeverindicatetomethattheywerepartofanyplot.AndIveknownalotofem,includingdirectors.

K:AndwhataboutJohnKennedy?WasthataManchuriancandidateaswell?

JohnKennedysassassinwasapatsy...

G:Uh...Nah,Ithinkitwasjustapatsy.Oswaldwaspickedforhisroleinmaybeoneofadozenplotsthatwerebeinghatchedoffatthetimeandhejusthappenedtobeintherightplaceattherighttimetogetthe...topinthetailonthedonkey.

K:OK.Sohowmanyshotswerefired?[smiles]

G:Well,Imean,youcan...asnearasIcanheartherewere,like,threeorfour.So,youknow,Idontbelievethathedidit,thatanybodycouldhavedonethatthewaytheyclaimhedidit.AndIcouldntdoitandIdontknowanybodythatcoulddoit.AndsoIdontbelieveit.IdontbelievetheMannlicher-Carcanodidthedeed.Itmayhavewellbeenusedinthedeed,butdiditactuallycausethedeath?Imnotsurewhatdidit.Itcouldhavebeenfrangiblebulletscomingfromsomewhereelseuponthegrassyknoll.

K:Uhhuh.Anddidyouthinkthat,Iguess,LyndonJohnson,oranyoneelse,had

ahandinit?

G:Iftheydid,theycertainlykeptitawayfrommecauseIwasworkingwiththeChiefofStaffattheWhiteHouseatthetime.WhentheGarrisonthingcamedownIwasworkingwiththeChiefofStaffandIneverknewanyinvolvementbytheChiefofStafforMr.Johnson,andIwasveryfriendlywithbothofem.

K:Uhhuh.

G:Theansweris,Idontthinkthat...Ithinktheywere...thattheywerejustdownthepeckingorderofpowerthatrunstheworldandtheyjusthappenedtobeconvenientlyintheplaceswheretheywereatthetime.

K:OK.So,well,asfarasMajestic,ortheIlluminati,ortheBilderbergsortheRockefellers...

G:TheGehlenOrg.TheGehlenOrg.

K:The"Gehlen..."

G:Org.


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K:Org.

TheIlluminatiandtheGehlenOrg

G:Yeah...therewasaGermanSSofficerbythenameofGehlenwhohadacontinuingorganizationthatcontinuedonpastWorldWarTwothatwassubstantivelyinvolvedinlotsofnastystuff.Andstillistoday.

K:OK.Andaretheysetupinthiscountry?

G:Theyresetupallovertheworldbuttheymostlyanswer,ifnottotheIlluminati...thatstheonlyplaceIknowthattheyanswertoanybody.MostpeopleallanswertotheIlluminatiiftheresanypowerinanycountry.

K:WhataboutMajestic?DotheygetalongwiththeIlluminati?

G:Accordingtomyinformation,MajesticandtheIlluminatiarenotseeingeyetoeyeovertheideaoftriagingthepopulationoftheplanetinordertobringthepopulationdowntoaworkablelevelwhereitssafetohavelife.Wereapproachingaveryhighnumber,aroundsevenbillionpeople,andtheywouldliketotriageabunchofthepopulation.AndMajestic,whichismostlyUSmilitarypeopleandsomeotherforeigners,dontwanttoseethat.TheyrenotinfavorofmassassassinationbyAIDS,viruses,andstufflikethat.

K:SothisisagoodsidetotheMajestic12.

G:ItstheonlygoodsideIknowof.

K:OK.[laugh]BecauseIknowyourenotrealfriendlywiththem.

G:Iamfriendlywithacoupleofthemembersofit,butImnotfriendlywiththeirprogramtodestabilizesomeofmybusinesses.

K:OK.

G:Theywereverynastylastyearandwealmostendedupwhackingeachotherand

itdidnthappenbecauseofaCIAsafehouseagreementthatprotectedmeandsavedmylife,actually.SoImvery,very,veryindebtedtotheCIA.

K:So,whatcanyoutellusaboutwhyyoudontgetalongwithMajestic?Like,whatisitthatputsyouguysatodds?

G:Well...

K:Oreven,maybethislltelluswhytheCIAdoesntgetalongwithMajestic.MajesticandtheCIAG:Wesortofexpropriatedtheirtechnologiesfromthealiensandwerenotgivingitbackandwerejust...

K:Youpersonally...

G:Yeah,yeah,yeah.Wegotveryluckybackabout17,18yearsagoandwegotourhandsonthetechnology,andworkedtoreverseengineeritandprettymuchfigureditout.Atwhichpointwebegantofigureouteverythingthattheyweredoing.SotheydontlikethefactthatIhavethatandIhaveputupaprotectivewallthattheycantbeat.So.They...killingmeisjustgonnacauseittogoallovertheweb.SotheCD-ROMsareallpackagedrealwellagainstthateventuality.TheybetterhopeIneverhaveaheartattack.


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K:OK.Soyousetthatupsoyoureprotected.

G:Yeah.IhavealotoffriendsinforeigncountrieswhohavecopiesoftheCD-ROMwhichisbasicallyagreenmail,one-on-onetypeofdocumentthatsays:AslongasyouleavemealoneIllleaveyoualone.Youfoolwithme,Illeatyourlunch.

K:Sotellmealittlebitabouthowyoucameacross...Imean,yourereallyabig-picturethinker.Andhowdidyouactuallystartthinkingalongtheselines?

G:IstartedoffasanaeronauticalengineerwhenIwasincollegeandIgotrealinterestedinwhatmakesUFOsgoandsoIjustkindofpursuedthetrailofthetechnologyasopposedtothealiensandthatkindofstuff.AndthatsallIdoispursuethetechnology.Igotlucky.IgotveryveryluckyandIgotmyhandsonacutawayoftheirbirdsandthenusedthecutaway...theengineeringcutaways,toreverseengineerthetechnology.

K:Butyourenotbasingyourtheorieson,say,Teslaor...orOtisCarrs,isntthatright?

G:No.No,webaseitonwhatwecanseeisfunctionalandworks,weknowisreal.Wevegotabout12,000framesoffilmofthebirddancingaroundtheskies

ofArea51.

K:So,thisisanARV...isntthatwhatitscalled?RAM:ReplicationAlienMachineG:Uh.Thatswhatsomepeoplecallit.WecallitRAM,ReplicationAlienMachine.

K:Oh,Isee.

G:Wedont...theycallitAlienReproductionVehicle,andwedontdothat.Weareintotheuniversalityofthecircuitdesignthattheyusetonegategravity,inertia,andtime.

K:OK.Soyouknowsomethingabouttimetravelaswell.

G:Yeah.AUFOisprobablyverymuchlikethecarsbackinBacktotheFuture,aflyingtimemachine.

K:OK.

G:Theyrecapableofgoingbackwardsandforwardsintime.

K:Andwhatsyourvisionfortheworld?Couldyoutellusingeneralterms?

G:Ourvisionistogettheenergyouttheresothatwecaneliminateoil,coal,

andgasandnuclearfuelsfrompollutingtheatmosphereandcausingthecarbondioxidethatscreatingtheglobalwarming.Thatandaconcomitantreductioninthecostoflivingbyabout...eightypercentofthecostoflivingisattributedtopayingforenergy.Soifyoudonthavetopayitoutyougettokeepit.

K:OK.Butarentyouworriedabouttheeconomy?Youreactuallytryingtosafeguardcertainaspectsoftheeconomyintheprocess?


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G:Yeah.Theresthe...weareinterestedin,ah,thePlutopianenhancementoftheeconomyfromabout44trillionGDPcurrentlytoaboutaquadrillionayearinabouttenyears,andmakingeverybodyabout100timesmorewealthyandspreadingthewealthoutandcausinganequalization.Andpeopledonthavetoworkiftheydonthavetopayforenergy.

K:OK,so...butyourealso...youreworriedaboutthebankers?Isntthatwhatyoutoldme?

G:Yeah,weredefinitelyworriedabouttheparadoxesthatareassociatedwithtimetravelintermsofitsinterference,andhowyoudrunaneconomyandhowyoudhavegovernmentifyouknewwhatthefuturesgonnabe.Howdoyouhaveinterest?Howdoyouhavestocks?Howdoyouhavebonds?Howdoyouhavebanks?Howdoyouhavetaxes?Howdoyouhavegovernment?Causethatsall...

K:OK.Whyjustbecauseyouregoingtobuildavehicleareyougoingtoknowthefuture?

G:Thevehiclecreatesthoseproblemsthatyoumustresolvebeforeyoucanintroducethetechnology.Youvegottoknowwhattheresolutionofthoseparadoxesare.Wecallem,ah...theycreatemindsetsthatareverydramaticintermsofhowpeoplesbrainsfunction.

K:Isthatbecausewhenyougetinavehicleyoureactuallytimetraveling?

G:Well,tonegategravity,youvegottanegatetimeandsotimeisthepowerofthe...ofthebirdandthatswherethepower...Wedontbelieveitcomesfromspaceorzeropoint.Webelieveitcomesfromtime,purelyandsimply,andthatenergyandtimearethesamething.

K:AndisntBillHamiltonworkingwithyouatthistime?

G:Oh,yeah.

K:Uhhuh.

G:Hesoneofmyscienceteam.

K:Becauseheswrittenabookontimetravel,Iknow.

G:Yeah,yeah.Itsquiteaccurate,Imightadd.

K:Oh,verygood.Thatsnicetohear.AndwhataboutRamseyClark?WhatsyourrelationshipwithRamsey?

G:RamseyandIhavebeenfriendssinceIwasinmyearly20sworkingattheWhiteHouseincounterintelligencemeasures,electroniccountermeasuresfortheJohnsonadministration.IvesubsequentlybeenassociatedwiththeRepublicans,withPresidentJohnson,ImeanPresidentNixonandPresidentReagan.

K:OK.Now,didntyoucallyourselfalibertariananarchist?Isthatright?

G:Yeah.IvegonefrombeingoriginallyaDemocrattoaRepublicantoaLibertariantoaLibertarianAnarchist.Iminfavorofmassivechange.Iminfavorofthe...whatIcalltheextraterrestrialrevolutionwhichgetsridoftheneedforgovernmentandallofthecrapthatgoeswithit,thesedecisionmakersthatbasicallyscrewwithourliveseveryday.

K:OK.


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G:AndIdontthinktheyrenecessary.Ifweknowthefuturewedontneedpeopletomakedecisionsforus.Thedecisionsalreadymade.

K:OK.WhyarentyouworkingwithBobBigelow,forexample?

G:CauseMr.Bigelowisworried,apparently,abouthisfundingfromtheSenateandtheCongressforhisinflatablehabsthathesputtingupintheShuttleandsomeofhissatellitework.Andifhedoesworkonalientechnology,thenhewontgetfunded.Hedbe...Theydontwantafundyouif...Thegovernmentcantfundyouifyouretryingto...

K:IsthatbecauseMajesticholdstherightsoverthealientechnology?

G:No.Th...weowntheintellectualpropertythesedaysandwetellthemthatsoIguesstheyprobablyfiguredoutthatwedfiguredouthowtogetagripontheintellectualproperty,buttheydontwantitoutformanymanyreasons.Imean,youretalkingaboutdestabilizingoil,coal,gas,nuclearandthebanksthatareassociatedwiththecashflow,whichishuge.Its80percentoftheeconomyfortheenergy.Andthatmoneyallflowsthroughbanksandifthebanksdontgetit,whatdotheyget?Theyloseabout80percentoftheircashflow.

K:So.Istheideathattheyreletting...say,theCIAisworkingwithyouonthisnowbecauseitsbasicallycomingtoanendgame?Isthatwhats...

G:Yeah.Imean,its...Theresanevolutiontowardtherevelationofwhatthetechnologyistotheworld,and...InmyopiniontheCIAisprobablygonnabetheonlyagencythatsurvivestherevolution.Ihaventknownonethatwasntapatriot,onethat...Imeanpatriotsthatwalkintobullets.Theyreverybrave...

K:OKbutareyoutalkingaboutpatriotsinthesensethattheUnitedStatesisgonnaruntheworld?

G:PatriotsinthesensethattheUnitedStatesisgonnaevolvealongwiththerestofthenationsoftheworldintosometypeofnew,whatwecallNewEarthOrder,abettersystemof,ah,ofhowthingsworkwhichisnotnecessarilya

worldgovernmentbutprobablyismorelikeasystemwherethefutureisknown.Godwritesthescriptsbefore,timepasses,andheknows...InmostofyourreligionstheyclaimthatGodknowsthepast,thepresentandthefuture.Wellifheknowsthefutureitsbecausehewrotethescript.Ifyoucanseethescript,thenallyoucandoislivethescript.Sothatswhatwebelievehappens,thattheforwardtimescanningcapabilitiesofthetechnologyallowgovernmentstonothavetobegovernments,becausetheresnoneedfordecisionsbybureaucrats.Youdontneedemtotellyouhowtolive.Itsallwrittenouthowitsgonnabe.Allaliens,orextraterrestrials...Idontliketousethewordalien...extraterrestrialcivilizationsprobablyallgothroughtheexactsamerevolution.Oilseemstobeapartoftheevolutionofplanetstogettheirenergyandthentheoilisnolongerneededbecauseitcreatesproblemslikethe

globalwarmingproblemsthatwehavetoday.

K:SoareyoubuildingacrafttogotoMars?

G:Uh...Werebuildingpowergeneratorsandtechnologytobuildstarships.Thatswhats...thatsourobjective.

K:OK.Togototheedgeofthesolarsystem?


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G:Togototheedgeoftheuniverse.Werenotinterestedinthesolarsystem.Thesolarsystem...theresnothingoutthereofanyconsequence.

K:OK.Andhaveyoumetanyaliens?

G:No.No,Iknowpeoplewhoclaimtheyconstantlycommunicatewithemthoughandareintouchwithem,but,no,Ihaventhadthepleasureordispleasure.

K:Haveyouevertalked...haveyouevercommunicatedwiththemthroughyourfriends,say?

G:Mm,yeah.Weattempttohavethesesurrogatelittlediscussions,but...

K:Ohyeah?BecauseyouworkwithLisette...Whatsherlastname?

G:Larkins.

K:Yeah.AndshewrotethebookTalkingwithExtraterrestrials?

G:Uhhuh.

K:And...soundslikeshecommunicateswithsomeoneoutthere.

G:Yeah,Shes...youcantattributeherlevelofintelligencetogoingto

school.Itsjustnotthere,thattypeofthinkingandthetypeofphilosophythatshesaysthattheyadvocate.Andthewaythattheyseelifeandhowweshouldliveitiscompletely...itsnotanythingthatwecurrentlyenjoy.Yeah.So.

K:Allright.Soyouvehaddialoguesthroughher...

G:Anyhow,werecurrentlytryingtosetupcontact.

K:OK.Right.

G:AndIdontknowifwelleverhaveanysuccessatit.

K:OK.Soyou...YoudontknowwhattheETthinksofyou.

G:I...No,andIdontknowwhetherornottheyeventhinkonthatlevel.Wearetryingtofindoutiftheydo.Anditsbeenourexperiencethatwomenseemtorunthefutureand...extraterrestrialsocietiesaresupposedlyleadanddirectedbywomen.So,thefemalesideoftheequation.Sowereveryprothatideabecauseits...Womendontlikewaranddontliketheconsequencesofwar.WeshouldhavemorewomeninCongress.Wedhaveamuchmorepeacefulbusinessofgovernment.

K:Anddoesntawomanfigureprettyprominentlyinyourmoviescenario?

G:Yeah.Wevegotta...thejudgesandtheprosecutorsarewomen.Andwevekind

oflookedatthemastheultra-terrestrial,thefolksthatdontneedspaceshipstomovearound...theyjustthinkandtheyrethere.Soyeah,yeah.Im...wereveryavantgardetowardtheideaofwomenbeingtheleadersoftomorrow,notmen.OnJohnLearK:NowdidntyouusedtobefriendswithJohnLear?

G:Yeah.Yeah,weweregoodfriendsforalongtime.

K:OK.So,didyougotoArea51withhim?Or...


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G:No,Irefused.ThenightthatheandBobLazargotstoppedouttherebytheWackenhutguysandallthat...andallthatwhetherornotitallhappened...Ifithappened,itseemedtometobeakindofasetuproutine.AndDr.Uhlig...GeorgeUhligandIwerefriends,theDirectorofResearchandDevelopmentatHercules,andwedidntwanttogothere.WedidntwanttogowithJohn.Wethoughttherewassomethingsmellyaboutit,sowedidntgo.

K:Youdidntgo...

G:AnditpissedJohnoffnoend.

K:Uhhuh.

G:So.

K:Butyou...youremainedfriendsafterthat?

G:We...Iknewhismomanddadbeforethattimeperiod.Igobacktothelate60swithbeingaffiliatedwithhisfatherandknewhismother,Moya,becauseshewasveryclosetomyfriendJohnDeLoreanandthatkindofthing.OnJohnDeLoreanK:Uhhuh.SowhatcanyoutellusaboutJohnDeLorean?

G:Itsagreatsadness,believeme,whenIsaythathesgone.Becausehewasoneofthegreatmenofall...ofthetwentiethcenturyintermsofhisthinking...Theideaofnon-obsolescentcarsbybuildingcarsoutofstainlesssteelandmakingcarswheretheydidntwearout.Whichisverypossible.Andtheydontwannadoit...Andso.Ithought...Iworkedverycloselywithhim.WedbeenfriendssinceIwas15yearsold.ImethimoutontheBonnevilleSaltFlatswhenhewassponsoringMickeyThompsonslandspeedrecordcar.JohnandIgoway,wayback.Ithoughthewasoneofthegreatmenofalltime.Hereallywas.

K:Soundslikehestosomedegreeaninspirationforwhatyouredoingnow?

G:Hewasgrandmentor.HeknewhowtofightonceheknewwhathewasfightingandheandIwereveryclosefriends.AndheallowedmetokickthecrapoutoftheFBI[smiles]soitwasfun,tobeveryfrank.AndtheFBIsquiteaformidablegroupoffolks.ButwhenIhadJohnDeLoreanasmyassociateandclient,itwaseasytobeattheirbrainsout.Andwebeatem.

K:Butyourenotalawyer,sowhenyousayhewasyourclient,inwhatwaywasheyourclient?

G:Iwashischiefofstrategicplanning.Youmightcallmeachiefinvestigator,likeIamforRamseyClark.IvebeenRamseyschieffor...OnRamseyClarkK:Youreusingpresenttense.YourestillworkingwithRamsey?

G:Yes,yes,yeah.Stillwor...ButIdidntdoSaddam.ImnotaffiliatedwiththeSaddamdefense.Ilefthimout.Imnotbulletproof.RamseysgotahaloandnobodywantstokillaRamsey.ButImnotsuretheywouldntdoittome.So...letsputitlikethis.I...ThestoriesIcouldtellyouIdontwannatellyouaboutthat.Itsaverydangerousgame.Very,verydangerous,thedefenseofSaddamHussein.HehadacoupleofhislawyersmurderedbytheMinistryofInteriorandIthinkthatthewholetrial...ImnotsayingthatSaddamsagoodguy...ThatthewholetrialwasacharadeanditshouldabeenintheHaguealaMilosevic.AndthattryinghimwithoutaSunnijudgeonthebenchand,ah,


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assassinatinglawyersisnotthewayyouconductatrial.Youdontconductatrialbykillingoffsomebodysdefenselawyers.ImamazedthattheydidntkillRamseyClark.

K:OK.ButdidntwesetSaddamuptobeginwithanyway?

G:Yeah,yeah.Imean,Saddamwaslikeasabertoothtiger.AndaftertheIran/Iraqwarandhewasstarving.Andhejumpedoutinthemiddleoftheroadtograbanantelopeouttherehethoughthewasgonnaeat.AndthenextthingheheardwasBeep-Beepandan18-wheeleraimedathim,whichwasusinvadinghim,youknow.

K:Kuwait.

G:Kuwait.Yeah.IdontthinkSaddamshouldvegonetoKuwait.Thatwasadumbmoveandaverybigmistake.Butyougottarealize,theycalledhisloansandhedidnthaveanymoneytopayem,sohecalledtheircountry.Youknow,theyshouldalefthimaloneandlethimrestorehiseconomysothathecouldpayemoff.

K:Whataboutthestargates?Doyoubelieveinthat?

G:Idontbelieveinthestargates.Imnotafanofstargates.Iveheardthattheyexistfrompeoplewhoclaimthat.But...infact,weuseitinthemovie,thetechnologyoftheweaponsdeliverysystemofthefirstmagnitudebecausetheresnowaytostopit.Bang.Opensupoveryourplanetandyouvegotanukegoingoff.Howdoyoustopthat?Theresnodefenseagainstastargateforaweaponsdeliverysystem.So,iftheyexist,theyrethemostformidableweaponsdeliverysystem,otherthanaUFO,thatcouldeverbe.So,philosophicallyIdliketosee...Idliketoseetheeliminationoftheformsofgovernmentthatwehavetodaythatbasically....Theyrealloverourrights.Youknow,theConstitutionsoutthewindow.ThePatriotActisajoke.Itsafascistdocument.

K:Sowhatdoyouthinkoftheneocons?

G:Gangsters.Idcallemgang-banksters.Idontthinkofanything...AnybodythatcangooffandputawarlikeIraqtogetherandkill150,000peoplealldeservetobetriedforwarcrimes.

K:Uhhuh.

G:ThatswhatIbelieve.Theyalloughtabehungforwarcrimes.OnWacoK:ButyouwereveryinvolvedinWaco,isntthatright?

G:Yeah.

K:Sowhatcanyou...WhathappenedwithWaco?Becauseyouhaveaveryinterestingstoryalongthoselines.

G:Theymurderedem.

K:Right.

G:Theymassmurderedem.TheATFattackedemandtheygottheresponsethattheyaskedforbecausetheyknewwhattheyweregoingupagainst.Andtheyblewoffthefrontdoorandtheykilledeverybodystandingaroundthefrontdoor.


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And,ah,theythenhidthefrontdoorafterthey...aftertheyfilledemfullofbulletholesandactuallycameandgotemandgotridofem.Theysettheplaceonfireandtheyblewemupand....

K:Why?Imean,why?Doyouknowwhy?

G:Apparentlypartofthegamesthattheyreplayingtosetusupfor911andsomeoftheotherthingsinordertocreateusintoaneofascistpoliticalpolicestate...

K:Sothatwassomethingatthebeginning?

G:...aquasi-militarypoliticalpolicestate.

K:OK,butdidntyou,ah,tellmethatyougottheFBIsortofintoacornerinthat?

G:Yeah.IgotemwiththeFLIR[Forward-LookingInfra-Red]tape.MyselfandBillColbygottogetherandwediscoveredthattherewasalotofgunshotsintheFLIRtapeandthegovernmentthenputonacharadetestofit.Thejudgewastherealculpritinthewholething.Heengineeredthewholeassassinationofallthosepeople.Obliteration.

K:ButJanetRenohadcompletecontrol,didntshe?

G:Shedid,butshewasjusttherewhenthetruckwentby,orthebuswentby.Andshewasnttherewhentheydidit.Andshecameinalittlelateranddiditandshecovereditallup.AndshedoesntlikemeawholebunchandIdontlikeherabunch.

K:Uhhuh.

G:Sothats...thatsaboutthewaywe...Iconsiderheracriminal,youknow,amajorleaguecriminal.So,Iconsiderallthosepeoplethatassassinatedthosepeople...causethosewereabunchofinnocentpeople.

K:Therewerechildreninthereaswell.

G:Yeah,theykilled28kids.Imean,buttheyvekilled25,000kidsinIraq,sowhatsthebigdeal?

K:Right.

G:Maybemore.Thirty,35,000childrenhavebeenmurderedinthiswaroverthereonterror.Howdoyouhaveawaronterror?Terrorandwarareallthesame.Itsallthesamething.Oneguysterroristisandanothermansfreedomfighterandvisaversa.SoitsaBSwarandthosepeoplehave...weshouldget

outathere.

911

K:OK.Whatabout911?

G:ImafanofJimMarrs.Youknow...Imabelieverthatweprobablyhadabighandindoingthattoo,baseduponthedemolitionofthebuildings.Youcanseethosepuffsofsmokecomingfromthedemolitionchargesoffthebuilding.Sothatsnot,youknow...DoIbelievethattheywoulddosomethinglikethat?


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Yeah.DoIbelievethattheywouldsetitup?Myansweris:WheresOsamabinLaden?Imean,thisgovernmentcouldfindaroachintheBrazilianrainforestifitwantedto...

K:[laughs]

G:...sowhereisOsama?AndIdontbelieveweretryingtocatchhim.Ibelievewehaveadealwithhimandhisfamily.ThebinLadenfamilyandtheBushfamilyarelikethat[showscrossedfingers],so...DoIbelievethatthisisanhonorablegovernment?Theanswersno.DoIbelievethattheyremurderersandmassmurderers?Yes.DoIbelievetheyoughtabeprosecutedinaninternationaltribunalaswarcriminals?Yes.IthinkweneedtogetoutofVietna...Imean,notVietnambutIraq.Itsnotmuchdifferent.Itsjustahorrorshow.Werejustovertheremurderingpeople.Wehaventgotanyjustificationforitwhatsoever.Theresnojustcause.

K:Sincethat,youtalkabout...Idontknow.Idontevengetthelingo,butyouretalkingaboutwet...

G:Imean,whenpeopletrytokillyou,youdowhatyougottadotomakesuretheydontoriftheytrytointimidateyouandyoumakesurethattheydontdoit.

K:Well,Doyouhaveabodyguard?Imeanyoureprettybrave.

G:No,no,no,no.Imprettygoodatthatmyself.

K:Oh,youare...

G:Idontneed...Youcanttrustbodyguards.Theyalwaysendupgettingyoukilled.

K:Really.

G:Yeah.

K:Andso...well,doyoucarry,astheysay?

G:No.No,no,no.Icarryarelationshiparmedwiththebigguythatprotectsmeagainstassholes.

K:OK.

G:Thatsagoodwaytodescribeit.

K:Whats...whatsMJ-12sabsolute,sortof,agenda,inyourview?CauseIgotafeel...Igotafeelthatyouguysareatcrosspurposestosomedegree.

G:Yeah,weareatcrosspurposesbutitsbecauseIwantcontroloftheirtechnologysoIdonthavetogothroughtheR&Dprocessonit.Andwejust

wantadeployitinordertopreventglobalwarmingcauseifyougetridofoil,coal,gasandnuclearyouregoingtogetridofallthepollutionoftheplanet.

K:ButwhywouldntMJ-12wantthesamething?Partofthemdo....

GBecausetheyclicktheirheelstotheBilderbergerswhobasicallywould...are...Theyrepower...theyregreenpower.Imean,theyrethebankersoftheworld.So,theirdesireforpowerisgreaterthantheirdesiretoprotecttheirchildrenandgrandchildrenfrombeingburiedinthesamegravewiththem.Thats


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howIlookatit.

K:Well,yourefamiliarwithDanBurisch,right?

G:Yeah.

K:Andyouveexpressedinterestinworkingwithhim.Isntthattrue?

G:Yeah.

K:So...why?

G:Becausehesgotwires.

K:Hesgotwhat?

G:Hesgotwiresintheplaceswherewedliketohavewires.

K:Oh,youmeancontact?

G:Contact.

K:OK.Areyoualsointerestedinwhatheknows?

G:Mm...

K:Asascientist?

G:Mm.Someofitsinteresting.ButIamintotheideaofbeingabletomakecontactwithextraterrestrialsbecauseIthinkitsanexcellentidea,thattheycouldbehelpful.

K:OK.

G:Theycertainlyhavetheknowledgeofhowtogetpast...theygotpastthetrialandtribulationsthisplanetsgoingthrough...

K:Right.

G:...intheirownsocietyandtheyevolvedintowhatwebelievetobesomewhatof...Wedontcallitutopian.Wecallitplutopian.Sortofamadhouseofideasthatarecompletelydifferentfromwhatweviewaswhatwewouldcallutopia.Buttheideaofgettingridofthecostofenergyinoureconomyisreallygoodbecausethatkeeps80centsoutofeverydollaryoukeep...youspend...staysinyourpocket.Yougetrichthatway.Quick.Everybodygetsrich.

K:OK.So,whendidyoustartworkingonthis?

G:Oh,probablyintheearly70sIgotinvolvedinreallytryingtorunitto

groundanddoingtheinvestigationintermsoftryingtogetourhandsontheirtechnologyandthenweluckedintoitonedayand...

K:Whenyousaywe,whoswe?

TheKnightsTemporal

G:Well,IhaveagroupoffolksthatIcalltheKnightsTemporal,thatare,ah..themostprominentaerospaceengineersandphysicistsintheworldtodayareallpartofateamwecalltheRAMgroup.WecallourselvestheKnights


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Temporal.WetookapageoutoftheideaoftheTemplarswhobasicallyblackmailedthePopetogivethemthefiefdomsoverEurope.Theycreatedthebankingorderswehavetoday.Andso,but,that...Sincewebelievethetechnologyisrootedintime,wecallourselvestheKnightsTemporal.Thealientechnology,theUFO,isbasicallyaflyingtimemachine.Thatswhatwebelieve,anditsallbeknowaboutit.Itindicatesthat.

K:OK.Soyoubelieveintimetravelbutyoudontbelieveinwormholes.Howisthatpossible?

G:Well,becauseIdontneedtoworm-travelifIcangetacrosstheuniversefastenough.Imean,whowantsawormhole?Imean,awormholeisanideathatnobodyhasbeenabletoshowmeanyphysicswhatsoeverthatcanbehappening.Maybeitcan.Idontknow,butitseemslikeitsgonnatakealotofenergytokeepthatholeopen.

K:Sodoyouhaveadegreeinphysics?

G:No.IresearchitlikeIdoallofmyintelligenceoperations.I...

K:Well,comeon,areyouagenius?[smiles]

G:Ialwayswillsaythatthemostunpleasantthinginlifeistohavea200IQina100IQworld.So...doI?Idontknow.IknowthatIamconstantly

offendedbytheignorantbastardsthatliveonthisplanetthatIhavetodealwithallthetime.Andtheyreverydumb.

K:Andoneofthoseignorantbastardsstoleyourgirlfriend?Isthatright?

G:Whichone?Whichonestole...?

K:Idontknow.Imaskingyou.

G:Oh...whattheydidwastheybasicallyknewthatIwasworkingonparadoxresearchforauniversity...oneoftheuniversitiesthatwehaveinvolvedinit...andthattheyknewthatIwasfoolingaroundwithsomethingthatwasverypsychologicallydangerous.Andtheytooktheadvantagetotakesomeloveletters

andrewriteemlikeyouwouldfakeatape,andsentemofftoherandshetookumbrageandIhaventbeenabletoputitback.

K:Andyourelooking,maybe,withyourmovie,to,ah,rekindleyourloveofyourlife?

G:Yeah...Imean,Idgivemyrightarmtodothatbut,youknow,ifshewantsto...AsIvetoldher,shesgonnahavetostandbehindtheAshleyJuddsandthe...

K:Ohcomeon,now.

G:...theJanineTurnersandtheSalmaHayekstogetthejobunlessshessweet...

K:OK.Sowhatelsecanyoutellusaboutwhyyoupursuethiswithsuchreallyalmost...Idontknow...fanaticism.

G:Pursuewhat?

K:Yourideaforthiscraft.BuildingaUFOand...


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G:Well,werenotreallyinterestedsomuchinbuildingthecraftas...Imean,buildingastarshipswonderfulbecausethecraftareshuttlecraft.TheUFOistheshuttlecraftforastarship...

K:OK.

G:...inmostinstances.Andnottosaythattheycantgetacrossasquick.Itsjustalotmoredangerouswhenyoudonthaveasupportsystem.So,whatwebelieveis...isthattheideaistomakepower,makeelectricalpower,beabletoreplace...beabletoputwhatmightlooklikeasiloatautilitygridsitewheretheyhavearelaystationandjustputthatthereandgetagigawattoutofit.Andthat...ifyoucanmassproducethosetoysandgetridoftheneedtopumpoilintothefuelreactorsthatwehaveoutthereto...thatmakepowerandcarsandplanesandboatsandtrainsandeverythingelseisunnecessary.Youcangetridofallthatat.Youdonthavetoflyitinitiallybutyoudefinitelyhavetogetridofit.Wedontneedpetro-burningmachinesandwedontneedtowastealotoftimegoingthroughallofthisevolutionofhydrogeneconomycauseittakesabarrelofoiltomakeabarrelofhydrogenandthatsacharade.

K:OK.Butwhatsgoingtohappen,iftherereEarthchanges,toyourideas?

G:Well,wereinfavorofbeingabletomakechangestotheEarthchanges.Quickly.WereinaracetotrytogetthistechnologydevelopedbeforetheEarthis...Idontcallitglobalwarming.Icallitglobalburning.Imean,itsgettinghot.Itsgettingreallyhot.Andits...Imean,whenyouseethe...

K:Well,isntthisthesunandthesolarflaresgotsomethingtodowith...

G:Somepeoplesaythat.But,Imean,itsobviousthat...fromVicePresidentGoresfilm,UnintendedConsequences,orwhateverhecalledit...weareheatinguptheupperatmospherebypumpingcarbondioxideoutthetailpipesofourcars

andoutofourplanesandoutofourtrainsandoutofourboatsandoutofoureverything.

K:Sothisisthetimebombthatyouthinkyoureupagainst,isglobalwarming.

G:Yeah.Imean,Iveheardthetalesabouttheblackplanetcomingthroughand...

K:Nibiru?

G:...andallthat.Youknow,showme.ImfromMissouri.Yougottashowmeapictureofitcoming,andthenIllbuyit.Buttheytellmeitsthereand,Imean,Iveheardstoriesaboutit,butImean,forme,its...youknow,Ithink

ETkeepsushere.ETcreatedusandETspurposeistokeepthislittlelaboratory,uh,calledEarthgoingforwardtowardevolutionsothatwecangrowuptobecomeextraterrestrialsandspreadourseedoutthroughtheuniverseandbasicallyspreadlife,whichistheprimedirective.Nottogowherenomansgonebefore.Justtogo.Andtotakelifeouttherebecausetheresprobablymoreplacestoputlifethanthereispeopletoputonit.Alotofplanets.

K:OK.Well,thatsactuallyabeautifulidea.

G:Well,thebestthingIcanthinkoftodo.Imeanits...Ivegotenough


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timeinmylifetodoit.

K:Anddoyouthinkyouregoingtolast?Thatyouregoingtodeliverthistime?

G:Well,youknow,allyoucandoingoingupEverestistry,youknow.Imean,doyoumakeittothetopordoyoudont?Imean,itsnottheaccomplishmentofgettingtothetop.Itsthedoingoftryingtodothedeed.Youknow,ifyoudontdothedeed,atleastyoutried,youknow.Theycantsaythatyouwerentaserioustypeofhumanbeing,youknow.OnWatergateK:WeregoingtokindofbacktrackalittlebitandweregoingtoaskyouaboutWatergate...

G:OK.

K:...because,now,ifIunderstand,youwiredtheOvalOffice?

G:Yeah.IputinanelectroniccountermeasuressystemtodefeatpeoplebuggingtheOvalOffice...

K:OK.Andthatwas...

G:...buggingconversationsandrecordinganyconversationsintheroom.

K:Right.Butwereyouinvolvedinalso,supposedly...

G:Erasingallthetapes.Yeah.

K:...erasingallNixonstapes.Right.

G:Uhhuh.Itwasagoodidea.

K:Itwasagoodidea.

G:IwishIdadoneit.

K:OK.Buttheywerenterased.Youheardthemthen,right?

G:Yeah.

K:Youmusthaveheard...

G:All4004tapes.

K:Yeah...andsowhatcanyoutellus?Whatdoyouknow?

G:IthinkifIhad,knowingthelevelofintriguethatwasgoingon...andwhatWatergatewasreallyallaboutwasmuchofacover-upofwhywelostthewarin

Vietnam.Itwas...theywereabouttohaveSenatehearings...[gesturesatcamera]Isthison?

K:Yeah.

G:TheywereabouttohaveSenatehearingsaboutapostmortemonVietnamandthey...ThepowersthatbeelectedtocreateWatergatetotakeourattentionawayfromthepostmortem.AndtheSenateandtheHouseintelligencecommitteesbecamesobusywithWatergatethattheycouldntdothepostmortemonVietnam,whichIbelievewasthecrimeofcrimes.Itwasaterriblecrime.Wewereover


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theretojustgetmoneyandtakethemoneyouttheGoldenTrianglefordopeandtakeitouttoArea51.

K:SoyouresayingthatthemoneyfordopewentstraighttoArea51.

G:ThewholeVietnamexerciseandkilling55,000Americansandabout2millionVietnamesewasforthepurposesofoperatingtheGoldenTrianglesheroinoperationsinordertopumpthemoneyintoArea51,becauseithad...Theycouldntfunditexceptbygoingoffbalancesheets.TheydidVietnamandthentheydidAfghanistaninthe80sandthentheydidColumbiainthe90swiththecocaine,thecrackcocainecrap.Whichisasevilasevilgets.

K:Andsobasicallyyouresayingthatourgovernmentisrunningthedrugs?

G:[shakesheadno]ImsayingthatMajesticisanarm..isnolongerpartofthegovernmentoftheUnitedStates.Itsrun...Itsbeenprivatizedanditsrunbythepeoplethatruntheworld.

K:OK.SoyourealludingtothefactthatMajesticisresponsibleforrunningthedrugs.Isthatwhatyouresaying?

G:Yeah,withthehelpofotheragencies,thegovernment.Theymovedalotofthatmoney.

K:TheFBI?

G:Sortof.Maybe.Probably.Probably.

K:AndnottheCIA?Imean,everyone...

G:Probably.

K:...saystheCIAsinvolvedinallthat.

G:Yeah.ButImnotgonnathrowrocksatem.Theydidwhattheydid,but,youknow,theythoughtthattheyweredoingtherightthing.MarkFelt,whenhetold

BobWoodwardthatthewholereasonforWatergatewasallaboutcoveringuptheVietnameseoperations,thedrugsales,andtheGoldenTriangle,tosupplythemoneytodothebackengineeringoftheUFO,whichcostbillionsuponbillionsuponbillions,hundredbillionplus.

K:Toback-engineertheUFO.TheCrashatRoswellG:Yeah.ThecrashatRoswellandotherplaces.Crashes.

K:SowhatdoyouknowaboutthecrashatRoswell?

G:Whatcharead.Itsalloutthere.

K:DidNixonknow?

G:Probably.

K:Probably?

G:Probably.

K:Areyousayingprobablycauseyouknoworareyousayingprobablybecauseyoudontwanttobe...


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G:Imjustsayingprobably.

K:...ontherecordsaying...

G:Idontwannagoontherecord.IdontknowthatheknewforafactbutIhadinformationwhenIwasattheWhiteHousethathewasdoingthat.

K:OK.McCordandLiddyG:ThatherecognizedthatWatergatewasanexercisethathedidntunderstand,byintelligenceoperativesthatwerejustabitsharperthanhim.LikeMcCordsfindingthe...puttingthetapeonthedoortwicesothattheguardwouldgethimarrested,andthatkindofcrap.Itsbeyondthepale.Anybodythat...ifyoufindthatsomebodyhastakenthetapeoffthedoorthatyoureusingsothatyoucanexittheplace,andyougoputitback,thenallyoureaskingforistogetarrested.SoMcCord,inmyopinion,setthePresidentup.AndLiddywasthepawnandhewasusedmiserablybytheguyswhogavehimtheGemstonegraphicsthatwereusedthatcausedallofWatergate.JustwhatIknow.

K:Uhhuh.Andcanyoutellmeaboutthe...didnttheydevelopthewholeideaoftheManchuriancandidateduringtheVietnamwar?

G:Well,LaurenceHarvey,theactor,probablymightbeabletotellyoumore

aboutthatthanme.Buttheansweristhatthattechnologysprobablybeenaroundawhile.So,youknow,theabilitytogetpeoplewhoare...Imtryingtogettheword.Somnambulisticwheretheyresubjecttobeinghypnotizedinasecondandwhateveryoutellthemtodo,theylldo.

K:ButthisisMK-ULTRAweretalkingabout.

G:Yeah.MK-ULTRAhadamajorleagueplayinallofthis.So,youknow,whosrunningMK-ULTRAtypeofresearchnow?Itsanybodysguess.ItisnttheCIAanymore.IliketothinkIhadahandincausingthatgotoawayfromLangley.

K:YouwantustobelievethatLangleysnotinvolvedinthatandotherpeopleare?

G:Yeah.

K:Becauseyouknow,theideaisthatyouhadstartedworkingwiththem...

G:IveneverknowntheCIAtobeabunchofassassins.Theyrejusttooclassy.Theyrenotintowhackingpeopleasacourseofreality.

K:Andyourenotholdingontoanykindofnotionofhonorbecausethisistheonlyshredofhonorleftontheplanetthatyoucanbelievein?

G:IhaveneverknownanyonethatIveeverbeenassociatedwithintheCIAtobeacriminal.Ever.Ever.Ever.

OnJ.EdgarHooverK:OK.CanyoutellusaboutJ.EdgarHoover?

G:Hesnotaniceguy.Idontthinkhewasaniceguy.

K:OK.Hewasntaniceguy.Hespiedoneveryone,right?

G:Mm.Thatsindicated.Yeah.

K:OK.


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G:Thatsprobablytrue.

K:And...butwhatdidyouhadsomekindofrealdealingswithHoover,didntyou?

G:Yeah.

K:Doyouwanttotellusaboutthat?

G:Allthatyouregonnadoisyouregonna...ThisisgonnapissofftheFBIandtheyregonnawantafightsomemore,andIdontwannafightwiththem.Imean,IdliketothinkthatImtheguywhoputthedressonhim.Hedeservedtowearthedress.Soletsleaveitatthat.

K:IsColbydead?

G:Yes.

K:Howdhedie?

G:Hedrownedinthreefeetofwater.[smiles]

K:Howdoyoudothat?

G:Yougetpushed...yougetyourheadpushedunderthewater.

K:Isee.Andyouknowwhodidthisdeed,sotospeak?

G:Ah...therewasalotofdyinggoingonaroundtheFLIRtapeatWaco.Andthechief,heguythatdidtheforensicwork,hecroakedathisdesk,sittingathisdesk.Hejustsuddenlydecidedtodieandnobodyevergavemeadecentpathologyreportonhisautopsy.Colbywasrightinthemiddleofit.Hewastheonewhohelpedmegetitallout.AndsowethoughtitwasgonnasinktheFBI.Imean,

theCIAwasveryanti-FBIinthattimeframe,andtheywereinmycorner.Imean,itsawellknownfact...theywerereallyinmycorner.SowhatweweredoingwastryingtopreventanymoreassaultsonreligionbytheFBI.Wewerenot...youknow...leavethekidsalone.Dontkillthekiddies.Andthatwas,ah...Mr.Clarkis,inmyopinion...andalotofpeoplethinkhesthegrandcontrarian.Hemaywellbe,butIm...andremember,IcomefromaRepublicanbackgroundsowhenpeopletalktomeaboutRamsey,Itellem,Look,hesgotahalo.FarasImconcerned,ifIcangethimcanonizedasasaintwhenhedies,Imgonnadoit.CauseIthinkhesasaintlyman.Hesrepresentedallthebadguysover...Buttheydeservetohavethebestrepresentationtheycanget.Everybodydeservesalawyer,OK?Idontcarewhatyouaccusepeopleof,theydeservethebestrepresentationtheycanget.AndIveknownalotofthemover

theyears,includingdirectors.OnBobbyRayInmanK:AndwhataboutBobbyInman?Whatsheinvolvedin?

G:[smiles]Hesreputedlyah,MJ-4,butwhetherheisornotIdontknow.Hesaniceguy.HeandIarefriendly,soImnotgoingtosayanythingnegativeaboutBob.Idontknowanythingnegative.

K:So,isnthepartofDisclosure.Didntwehearthat?


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G:Wehearit,but,youknow,itsonethingtohearitanditsanotherthingtodoit.Youknow,itsonethingtosayit.Itsanotherthingtodoit.So...

OnJohnGannon

K:WhataboutJohnGannon?Youknowwhoheis?

G:Yeah,butI...

K:DoyouthinkhesinvolvedinSerpo?OnSerpoG:Idontknow.ImnotafanofSerpo,youknow.ImkindofnegativetowardBeyondDisclosureandthatkindofstuff.

K:Yourenegative...whatdoyoumeanyourenegativetoBeyondDisclosure?

G:Ithinkthatthepeoplewho...thattherearealotofpeopleouttherethatsupposedlyarepro-disclosurearenothingbutMJ-12disinformationops.AndtheyprobablyoperateunderthecoveroftheDIA,whoIhaveagreatadmirationforalso.Iveneverknownthoseguystobereallybadotherthan...dothisdisinformationthing.Theyseemtobeaheavyhandinthedisinformationgame,yousee.OnPaulBennewitz

K:WhataboutBennewitz.DidyouknowBennewitz?

G:Yes.Yeah,yeah.Wemethim.Wethoughtthatsomebodyhadspunhisloopandputhimintoaconditionwhere...OnRickDotyK:WhataboutRickDoty?Didhehaveahandinthat?

G:Heobviouslyhadahandinit.DidhedoitandwasBennewitzalreadyontheslipperyslopeofmentaldisorder?Idontknow.Butapparentlyifhewastheymadesuretheygreasedtheslopeabunchforhim.SoIalwaysthoughtBennewitzwasaterriblecrime.Justcriminalactivityby...OnBillCooperK:DidyouknowBillCooper?

G:Yes.

K:Whatdidyouthinkofhim?

G:Ithoughtthatheoughta...tobeverybluntwithyou,IthinkCooperwasapatriotinhisownwaybuthewasabitmoreaggressivethanIamandwantedtofightateverydropofthehat.HeoncethreatenedtokillJohnLearoverme,and...IwastherethenighttheydiditandhethoughtthatIwasMajesticandthatwasjustBSinthemaximum.AndsoCooperprobablypeed-offthecopsenoughtogethimselfshot.So...youknow...

K:Well,hewasheavilyinvolvedinoutingWacothewayyouwere.

G:ThedifferencebetweenhimandmeoutingWacoisIwasactuallyphysicallydoingitandputtingitintotherecordofthecase.Iwasactuallydoingtheinvestigationsthatbroughtupallthecrap,that...youknow...burningemupandgassingemandshootingemandjustbasicallymurderingem.

K:Whenyousayyouwereinvolvedintheinvestigation,doesthatmeanyoudoyourowninvestigationoryouhavesomebodydoitforyou?


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G:Mm.IdidmyowninvestigationsforMr.Clark.Yeah,andIprovided...

K:Doesthatmeaninterviewingpeople?Doesthatmeanresearching...

G:Thatmeanteverything.IinterviewedallofKoreshswivesandgottotalkabouthissexhabitsandda-da-da-da,whichwascute.And,soyes,IgottointervieweverybodyandIwaswellknownfordoingthat.Iwasveryproudofit...Thefactthatwelostsayssomethingtodowithourfascistjudicialsystem.

K:Sodoyouthinkthat...OperationPaperclip...theybroughtabunchofNazisoverhere...

G:[nodsheadyes]

K:Imean...TellmeyourenotusingsomeofthoseNazisinyourgroup.

G:Well,theyrenotpartofmygroupandtheyregone.Theyremostlydead.Imean,allthoseNazisfromWorldWarTwo,thescientiststhat...Betheandallthoseguys,theyreallgone.Kammer,theyregone.Sotheresno...

K:Buttheyhadabighand...

G:Theydbe90years...theydbe105yearsold.

K:OK.Buttheyhadabighandinthedevelopmentoftheatomicbomb.

G:Yeah...man,ImastrongbelieverthatFarrellwroteagoodbookwhenhewroteSS:BrotherhoodoftheBellrecently.Good.Verygood.SoIbelievetheNazisinfluenceisoutthere.Wecanseetheneoconfascisminourgovernmenttodayisoutthere,sodoIbelievetheNazisaregone?No,Ithinktheyrestillactive.Manyofthem.Andtheystillbelievethesameevilcraptheydidthen.

K:SoyouvenevermetanET.Haveyoubeencurious?Imean,youvegothandsineverypot,itsoundstome.CantyougetanintroductiontoanET?

G:Yeah,wereworkingonthat.Were...

K:Youare?

G:Weredoingthebestwecanwiththetoolswevegottodoitwith.Butyes,were...

K:HaveyoubeentoArea51,underground?OnDulceG:HaveIbeeninsideofit?No.Dulcesthe...WedidathoroughsearchfortheundergroundareaofDulce.AndImeanthorough.Anditsbullshit.ItspureunadulteratedBS.TheresnoundergroundbaseatDulce.Wewantedtogetin.[laughs]Wejustwantedtogetin.Weboughtintothedisinformationlongenough

togetcloseenough.Andwespentfour,fivedaystrekkingtheArchuletaMesaandwentallovertheplace.Andusedseismometersandeverythingtotrytofindoutiftherewereundergroundholes.Andwedidntfindanyofthat.

K:DidyouuseanynativeAmericanstohelpyouout?

G:Yeah.Yeah.WetalkedtoalltheApachesoutthereanditsjustBS.JustBS.Itsadisinformationoperation.


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K:Andyouwouldntbepushingdisinforightnowbytellingmethat.

G:No.IllbetchaabillionthatyoucantfindaholeinthesideofArchuletaMesainwhichyoucanaccessanalienundergroundbasethere.AndIllbetyouabillionandIdbetmylifeonitcauseIwentovertheplacewithafinetoothcomb.

K:OK.WhataboutundergroundLA?

G:Well,Imean,anythingspossible.Imean,theygottunnelsthatll...Theygottunnelingequipmentthatisnuclearpowered.Theycandrilltunnelsanywheretheywantfromanywhere,so...

K:WhataboutundertheCapitol?

G:Ibelieveanythingspossibleifyouwanttospendthemoney.

K:No.Imnotinterestedinwhatyouwhatyoubelieve.Iminterestedinwhatyouknow.

G:No.Idontknowofanyundergroundsystems.Imsurethattheyexist,Ijustdontknowwherethey...

K:YouwiredtheWhiteHouseandyoudontknowiftheresanundergroundbasethere?

G:Well,yeah,rememberIdidthatwhenIwastheguywhobuiltthetoythatmadeitworkandsothatwaswhyIwasthere.TherewasnootherreasonformetobetherethanthefactthatIsuppliedthecheckmatesystemtodoit.Soobviouslywhentheyneededaninstallertoputitin...IputitinthereandputitinEllisRanchandotherplaces.

MontaukandthePhiladelphiaExperiment...

K:WhataboutMontauk?AreyoufamiliarwithMontauk?

G:Yeah,andIdontbelieveit.

K:Youdontbeli...WhataboutthePhiladelphia?Theseare...

G:IbelievethatthePhiladelphiaexperimentprobablytookplaceandthattheymayhavedoneitbutIhavenoproofthattheydiddoit.Ihaventseenascintillaofaniotaofreallysubstantiveevidencethatanyofthatstrue.Itsoundstomelikeadisinformationstorymeanttoleadyouawayfromthetechnology.

K:OK.AreyoufamiliarwithWilhelmReich?

G:Yeah.

K:WhataboutWilhelmReichandorgone?

G:Ithinkhejustmade...IthinkheprobablygottheFoodandDrugAdministrationreallyangryathim,withhiscures.Andmaybehiscureswererealandtheydidntwanthimtodoitandtheyjustsaid,Heyyougottago.Wecantaffordyouaround.Youregonnaputthedoctorsoutofbusinesssoweregonnagetrid...Weregonnaputyourassinjail.Theyhavethecapabilitytoframetheirmothers.Andtheywill.So.Imarealfanoftheirabilityto


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createfaketapesandfakedocumentsandfakethisandfakephotographsandfakevideos,fakeanything.Theycanfakeitalltothepointwhereforensicallyyoucanttellrealityfromsurrealityandbullshit.

K:OK.Well,alongthoselines,IunderstandthatMajestichadahandinfakingemailsbetweenyouandJohnLearthataddedtotheanimositybetweenyou.Isthatright?

G:Yeah.TheydidthatandImnotsureJohnLeardidnthaveapartofithimself,youknow?So...yeah,theyactuallydidthatandtheyfakedsomeothervideos,and...

OnKitGreen

K:AreyouabletotalkaboutKitGreenatall?

G:No.IhavenothingtosayaboutDr.Green.Ibelievehestheworldsgreatestneurobiologistandonethingandanother.Ithink...

K:Ishecalledinonalienautopsies?Doyouknowthatmuch?

G:IvehearditbutIdontknowwhattobelieve.Hehasneversaidittome.Iknowthatherecentlynotifiedmethatabunchofhisemailswerebeingfaked

andthattherewasstuffthatwasbeingattributedtohimthatwasobviouslycomingoutofMajesticsgang.ProbablyusinganNSAcutouttodoit.

K:OK.

G:NSAtechnology...Theycanbugyourphone,bugyourcomputerandtheycanfigureit...Theycanreadallyouremailtrafficandtheyknowexactlywhattheywanttoputinyournextemailinordertodestabilizeyourrelationshipwithwhoeveryouretalkingto.Soyeah.ButKitGreensagreatguyasfarasImconcerned.IhavenoproblemwithKit.Hesnotanenemy.Contrarytopublic...OnJimMarrsK:OK.So,JimMarrs...hesawonderfulUfologist,hesawonderfulwriter.

G:Hesamemberofourteam.

K:Hesamemberofyourteam...

G:HesahistoricalscribefortheRAMgroupandheshopefullymybiographer.TheytellmethathesgonnadomybiographyandthatsascomplimentaryasIcanget.

K:OK.

G:Hestheworldsgreatestconspiracytheorist.OnEricJulien

K:NowisntittruethatyoureworkingwithEricJulienalittlebitnowadays?

G:Yeah,yeah.So...

K:Heswrittenabookon...SupposedlyhehadETvisitation.Hewentupandflewacraft.Heknowshowtheywork.Ishegoingtohelpyou?

G:Mm.Yeah,andImgonnahelphim.Illbehelpinghimmorethanheshelpingmerightnow.Buttheanswerisyeah,hesaverybrightguy.HemaybetheCopernicusofthe21stcentury.Butwevegottafindoutthat.HeandIvegot


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tohavealotofdialoguesaboutreality.So.Butweregettingtherebecausealotofthestuffthathestalkinabout,wevealreadyfoundoutabout.OnHalPuthoffandJackSarfattiK:OK.WhataboutJackSarfattiandHalPuthoff?Youworkingwiththeseguys?

G:HalandJackarelikeMike&Ike...

K:[laughs]

G:...orAlfonse&GastonorAbbott&Costello,Laurel&Hardy.Imean,alltheydoisfighteachotherandcastigateandcriticizeeachother.

K:Well,dotheyknowanything?Comeon,theseare...HalPuthoffisarenowned...

G:Yeah,theygota...itssortoflikeeverybody...itsliketheyvegotalittlepieceofthepuzzle.ItslikeIvegottheproverbialelephant.Somebodysgotapieceofthetail,anotherguysgotaleg,anotherguysgotatrunk.Everybodysblindfolded.Sotheyallhavealittlepieceoftheelephantbuttheydontknowthewholeelephant.So,youknow...

K:Dotheytrytoworkwithyou?

G:Ohyeah,yeah.Wegetalongfine.IgetalongfinewithHalandJack.Jackdoesnt...Jackissortofabitofa...monumentalmaniacalegowithahugeNIHnotinventedherefactorandHalisamuchmorelevelguywithdifferentideas.Andoneofemisintowhitezero-point,andtheotheronesintodarkenergyzero-pointandtheyhavetheirtheories.Andwedontevenbelieveinanyofthat.So.Wehaveourowntheories.Ourtheoriesarebaseduponhavingdiscoveredwhatwehavediscovered.But...HalisthechiefscientistandSarfattiswelcometocomeaboard,buthesgottastopthrowingrottentomatoesatHal.

K:Whatdoyoumean?Halsyourchiefscientist?

G:ThelasttimeIchecked.

K:Really?

G:Yeah.

K:Howaboutthat.

G:Howboutthat.Yeah,yeah,yeah.Itsamatterofrecord.

K:OK.

G:So,theyallattendthemeetingsofthegang,wheneverthegangscomingtogetherandtheystaytunedtoitbecauseitsanalternativetowhattheyre

doingandtheyvegottakeepabetonthathorse.Itsa...inahorseraceofthreeorfourhorsesyouvegottakeepabetonallofem.

K:Youvegotsomeremoteviewersonyourteam?

G:Well,HalPuthoffisprettymuchofaremoteviewer.Imean,heprettymuch...himandIngoSwanninventedthestuff,sotheanswerisyes.

K:AreyousayingIngospartofyourteam?


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G:No.Imjustsayingthatwevegotremoteviewers.Weuseremoteviewers...forsecuritypurposes.

K:OK.Soyouknowyouregonnabesuccessful?

G:Iproctoscopethegovernmenteverysooftenwithremoteviewers,yeah.

K:Uhhuh.

G:Justlike,theyproctoscopeme,Iproctoscopethem.ExceptI...

K:OK.Areyougoingtobesuccessful?Imean,aretheytellingyouthefuture?

G:IthinktheonlyreasonImnotdeadatthispointisthattheyknowIllwin.Theyknowfromforwardtimescanningthatmeand,wellcallitmeandmycoterieof...ah,patriots...wecallourselvestheEarthPatriotsinthefilm.Andsowewent...youknow,wecantlose.

K:Wow.

G:Theplanetmustcontinue.Goddidntdevelopandgothroughallofthisandcreatethisgiantcivilizationjusttowipeitoutjustbecausesomebodydidntwannastopburningoil.

K:WhatisthisaboutStarportthatyouretryingtotellusabout?

G:Well,youlogicallycantgoforwardtowardthedevelopmentofstarshiptechnologyunlessyouregonnabuildstarships.Andwhereyougonnabuildstarships?TheresonlyoneplantbigenoughontheplanettodothatandthatstheMitsufacilitywheretheSaturnS1BandtheSaturnFivethosewerethemoonrocketsandtheShuttlemaintankaredonebecauseitsgotthelargestbayarea.Andthatswherewebelievetheyregonnabebuilt.AnditsitsinthemiddleofapieceofpropertythatwereworkingnowwiththegovernorofLouisianatodevelopintoaprojectcalledStarport,whichisanair,sea,rail,truck,container,andspaceportforlaunchingstarshipsinto...asfreightersandasaircrafttomovepassengers.Andlike,youknow,wellprobablymakeit,

withtherightalien...withtherightantigravitytechnologies...youcanprobablymakeatripfromNewOrleanstoShanghaiorOsakain20minutesorless.Weseeacompletelydifferentcivilizationcoming.Completely.Ofanextremelyrevolutionaryconditionthatsinevitable.Ithastohappen.

K:Uhhuh.Whatyeardoyouthinkthisisgonnahappen?

G:Well,asfastaswecangetourlittleprogramsrollingalong,andtheyrerollingalongrealwell.SoIcanonlytellyouthatwelooktoseethetechnologybegintogointomassproductionbeforetheendofthedecade.

K:Well,whorunsthislittleconsortiumthatyoureputtingtogether?Isityou?

G:Imsortofdirectorgeneraloftheprojectrightnow,butthatdoesntmeanthatIwannastaythere.Imjustdoingthething.Weretryingtotakeaformerministerofdefensefromanotherforeigncountry,tohavehimtakeovertheprojectandgetmeoutoftheloopofhavingtodealwiththedailymundaneproblemsandthedailydevelopmentoftheconsortium.ItslikeAirbus...

K:Canyoutelluswhothatis?

G:No.


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TimeparadoxesG:Werethere.Imean,weredealingwithemandtheyknowwerethereandtheyknowwhatwehave.Therearealotofpeoplethatknowthatweborrowed,expropriated,piratedthetechnologyfromMajesticandwerenotgivingitback.Itsthatelemental.Andsoweredevelopingitandweredoingitinawaythatovercomestheproblemsthattheyrecognize.Oneofthebigreasonsthattheydontwannadoitistimeparadoxes.Timeparadoxesisahugeproblemforembecauseifyouknowthefuturethenhowdoyouhavemarkets?Howdoyouhaveinterest?Howdoyouhavetaxes?Howdoyouhavegovernment?Howdoyou...

K:Howdoyouhavefreewill?

G:Yeah.

K:Isntthatoneofyourissues?

G:Well...IvebeenNietzscheanuntilIdiscoveredthisandImnowatthepointwhereifsomebodycouldgivemeascriptandIcouldgoouttomorrowandenjoymylifeandjustcarryoutmytomorrowdiktatfromthe...wellcallitthetimeforwardscanTV,thatIcouldseewhatIvegottadonextmonth,thatdbefine.Golivemylifeandfollowtheorders.Godwrotethescript.Whynotdoit?Heknowswhathesdoing.Wereallapieceofhimand...whynotdoithisway?Imean,hiswaymaybealotbetterthanourway.Freewillmaynotbeall

thatbigadeal.Youknow,whocares...

K:Comeon.Arentyouthebiggestrebelofalltime?

G:[longpause]ButImnotarebelagainstthestuffthatIbelieveistherealitywemayhavetolivewith.Imean,sowhat...?

K:Soyoumeanyoureapracticalrebel?

G:Imapragmatist.Imapragmaticrebel.IfIseethatthissthewayitsgottabeandifIcanfacilitatemakingithappenanditmakestheworldabetterplacetolive,thengreat,youknow.Imean,Imnotantithat.

K:So,amItounderstandthatyoukilledaman?

G:No.Never.

K:Never?

G:Never,never,ever.

K:Haveyoueverorderedamantobekilled?

G:No.No,no.

K:Soyouvegotalotofthreatsgoingbackandforth,butno....

G:Therearealotofthreats,buttheresthe...Youknow...Theresthe,Youhurtme,ImgonnahurtyoubackandhowIhurtyoubackmaynotbethewayyouhurtme.Andsotheyknow,thatifyourethat...Ifyouhavethosekindofcapabilitiesofdoingdirtytricks...Mostpeopledontwannahaveaguywhohasaphilosophyof,Ifyouhavenothingtodofortherestofyourlife,goaheadandpickafightwithme.

Iwastherewhenthebuswentbyandthelittledooropenedonthebusandamechanicalarmgrabbedmeandsaid,Youregonnatakethisridedownonthis


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businhistory.Andthatwasit,Icouldntgetawayfromit.Itwasmeanttohappen.Itwasthere.IfIhadtodoitoveragain,Idavoidit.IfIcouldgobackandsayImnotgonnabeGarrisonschiefofsecurity,ImnotgonnagetinvolvedwiththeWhiteHouse,ImnotgonnagetinvolvedwiththeCIA,IaintgonnagetinvolvedwithpickingfightswithMr.Hoover,andthatkindastuff,Iwouldavoiditliketheplague.Causeitcostme.Itcostmeawife,threekids,10or15milliondollarsandfiveyearsofmylife.SoIdontwantanymoreofthat.

K:Whendoyouthinkyouregoingtoactuallybesuccessful?Imean...

G:Ifwegetthemoneyforthismovie,wearesuccessful.Wewillbemakingamovieaboutwhatwereactuallydoing.Itsbasicallyadocudramahiddeninsideofadrama,wrappedinsideofanenigmaandonandon,andamystery.Andsothatswhatweredoing.

K:AndhaveyougottenanybodyinHollywoodinterested?

G:Ohyeah.

K:Anyonewedknow?

G:Yeah.

K:Like?

G:Like...allofem...thebrass.Themoguls,thetitans.

K:Ohyeah?

G:Yeah.

K:Sotheytakeyouseriously.

G:TheytakemeandmyfriendsatLangleyseriously,isagoodwaytoputit.Andtheytakeourrelationshipsandourevidenceandalltherestofit...Wevegotit...Thisisallwelldocumented.Verywelldocumented.

K:Sowhendoyoustartfilming?

G:Ah.Iwouldhopethatitmightbethemiddleofnextyearsometimeafterwefinishthescriptsandgetourselvesintoproduction.Scriptsasopposedtojustfattreatmentsfordirectorsandstufflikethat.Sotheansweris:asfastaswecangothere.

K:OK.

G:Soweremakingheadway.AndthereisntmuchthattheMajesticgangof...ah,sickbastardscandoaboutit.Andtheyknowwhattheconsequencesthese

daysaregonnabeifwecatchemplayinginourbackyardanymore.Imean,itdoesn...theycantsend...ItsCOINTELPRO,counterintelligenceproactive.Samecrapthatwasdoneinthe60sagainstthepeacemovementisdonenowexceptitsmuchmoresophisticatedandverystrangeandverypsychologicaloperationsoriented.Sotheyknowwhatthepriceofdealingwithusisgonnabe.Itsgonnabeveryexpensive.Causeweknowexactlywheretoputourtorpedoes.Theyreallexposed.Weknowwhotheyare.

K:OK.Butisntittruethatthegovernment,or...thesecretgovernment...


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alreadyhascraftsupthere?

G:Sure.

K:Imean,inessencetheyvegotthetechnology.

G:Yeah,buttheycant...

K:TheyvebeendealingwithETfor40years...

G:Sowhat?Iowntheintellectualproperty.I...

K:Sowhatdo...Imean,theyvebeenmanufacturingcraftthatweseeinourskies.

G:Theyrenotmanufacturingalotofem.

K:Theyrenot?

G:Youseeeminalotofplacescausetheymovequickbuttheresnotalotofemand...

K:Blacktriangles?

G:Sowhat?Youknow,thatsnothingmorethanaUFOinsideofsomethingthatlookslikeanF117Atobeabletobullshitthepublicastheycomedowntheruralfarmroads:Gee,thatsanF117.Itsjustgoingslow.Itsbullshit.Itsallagame.Itsallpsyops.Psyops101.

K:Uhhuh.

G:So.No,Imnotworriedaboutem.Imnotworriedaboutemabit.Theydbetterbeworriedaboutuscauseweareseriousguysandtheteamis...mostofmyteamareallex-NSA,CIA,DOD,WhiteHouse,andwerenotsomebodyyoudwantagopickingafightwith.

K:OK.

G:AndImnotsomebodyyoudwantapickafightwithunlessyougotnothingtodofortherestofyourlife.

K:[laughs]OK.Well,Ihavenodesiretopickafightwithyou.

G:ImnotsayingImabadass.ImjusttellingyouthatIvehadalotofexperiencedealingwithgangsters,gang-bankstersandgangstersofeverylevelofsocietyandinourgovernment.AndwhatsthedifferencebetweentheMafiaandthegovernmentiftheyretryingtokillyou?None.Nothing.Theyreallthesame.Theyreallgangsters.IfIhadtodoabiogaphytoday,IdtitleitGovernmentbyGangster,myExperiencesasaCitizenoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica.

K:Howsyourconscience?

G:Isleepwell.

K:Yousleepwell?

G:Yeah.IusedtoknowPaulTibbetsandhebombedHiroshimaandIusedtoaskhim,Isaid,howdyousleep?Hesaid,Isleptwell.Hesaid,SoIkilled200,000people.Sowhat?Hesays,Istoppedthewarfromkillinganother2


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millionAmericans.So...myconscience...Ihavenoproblemwithmyconscience.IhaveneverdoneanythingthatIamreallyashamedof.Andnotoriousorquasi-famousorinterestingfellow,youknow,thattypeofthing.AllIvedoneisIwastherewhenthebuswentbyandthebusofhistorybroughtmeaboardandIjusttooktheride.

K:Whydoyouthinkyourenotactuallyinterviewedallovertheplace?Causeyouknowahellofalot.

G:BecauseIavoiditliketheplague.IfitwasntforyouandIgettingalong,Iwouldntdothis.Andthefactis,Iwantsomefatuousadvantagerightnow,whichisputoutenoughofthistokeeptheguys...Becauseweregettingreallyclosetosnaggingthegoldenring,youknow,andoffthecarouselandIwouldliketostickaroundawhile.AndifyouhurtmeyouregonnacausealotofgriefandmyfriendsregonnabeveryangryandmyfriendsaregonnabeveryangryandthoselittleCD-ROMsaregonnaflyallovertheplanet.Andyourenotevengonnabeabletoprotecttherevolutionifyouhavetherevolutionwithoutpreconditioningthesituation.Youllhavechaosthatllmakethecrashof29looklikeateaparty.So,dotheywantafight?Goahead.Pickafight.Yougotnothingtodofortherestofyourlife,goahead.Imhere.Imeasy.Imnothardtofind.

SothebottomlineisthatweneedtogowaybeyondthePeaceCorpsandweneed

toformentitieswithinourgovernments,allgovernments,withtheprimedirectivetoestablishpeaceonthisplanetinthisdecade.

K:Soyouwanttoputonyoursunglassesand...?

G:Whatfor?

K:Justtogiveusthesortof,theincognito...

G:Yeah.ImnotJamesBond.Im,ah...wedliketothinkweeatthoseguysforbreakfast.Butthebottomlineisthatwerejusthumanbeingsthatvelearnedhowtofight.

G:Iwroteherover...itwasrightbeforethefirstCrashRetrievalConferencein04.AndsoIwrotehersomeletters,someloveletters.IthoughtIwaswritingherloveletterscauseshedidntshowupontimefortheCrashRetrievalConference.Andasaresult,the...whenIwentbacktomycomputertolookatmylettersthatIwroteher,IcouldnotbelievethatIwroteem.OK?Now,whatwevejustdiscovered,andIcanshowyouthediscoverybyKitGreen,isthatMajestic...hecaughtMajesticalteringhise-mails.Completelylikeyou

wouldfakeatape.IhadcaughtemdoingthatlastyearwhenJohnLearandIgotintoitoverLearthreateningmylife.OK?

Bill:Howdidtheyalter...

G:Well,IwroteJohnane-mailandthenextthingIknow,thee-mailiscompletely...thee-mailthatIwroteisnotthee-mailthatIwrote!Itsonmycomputer,butitdelays...itdoesntcomerightback.Theytakethem..andtheysitthereandtheremodifyem.AndIremembersomeofthechanges.SoIcallmyfriendsup,andIcallupRon,andIsaidRon,theyreactuallyalteringmy


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e-mails!Andhesays,Idontknowhowtheycandothat.Isaidwell,theyreinterceptingthemanddoingit.

Bill:Didtheydothatwiththeintentionofcreatingconflict?

G:Ohyes,absolutely.Absolutely.Absolutely.Kitwritesalettersayingdonttellanybodythatsfoolingwiththeseparadoxes...beveryverycarefulbecausetheyllcreateapsychomimeticstateakintoLSD,mescaline,andpsilocybin...alteryourmindsetforaperiodoftime.Wedidntknowhowlong.Itlastedaboutfourorfivedays.CauseIjustwroteablitzofletterstoheranddidntrememberwritingthem.They,A,musthavebeenonthephone.B,theyknewaboutthisparadoxthingfrompriorwork,sotheyknewwhenalloftheconversationsweregoingonbetweenmeandtheuniversitywhereIwasdoingemthattheywould...ah...theydaltermypsychology.

[Findingdocumentonhislaptop.]Herewego.SecretAnthologiesofanAmericanEnigma.Heresmyblackcurriculumvitae.Butitdoesnthavethesupportingdocumentation.Butifyouwillsitdownhereyoucanreadallabouttheblacksideofme.Ivegotawhitecurriculumvitaetoo,whichis...butthisismyblackcurriculumvitaewhichissupportedbynothingbutdocumentation.Ihaveit,butIdonthavethedocumentationscannedintothecomputer.

Bill:Andthatsabsolutelynotforthepublicdomain.

G:Absolutely.Thisisthetruth.

(reading...)"Mr.NovelwasretainedasChiefofSecurityforNewOrleansDistrictAttorneyformerFBIAgentJimGarrisonsofficialinvestigationintotheassassinationofPresidentKennedy.BecauseofMr.NovelssecretrelationshipwiththeJohnsonWhiteHouse,hequicklydiscoveredthattheallegedfactsofJimGarrisonsofficialStateofLouisiana[JFK]conspiracyinvestigationwerebeingentirelywovenoutofwholecloth.AtthedirectionofhisWhiteHousecontacts,Mr.NovelsecretlysuppliedthisinformationtoaformerhighlevelFBIagentandchiefaidetoformerAttorneyGeneralRobertKennedy,thenworkingfortheNBCWhitePaperspecialnewsunit.DistrictAttorneyGarrisonimmediatelyrespondedbyaccusingMr.NovelofbeingaCIAagent,callinghimthemostimportantmaterialwitnessinhisalleged

conspiracytoassassinatePresidentKennedy.Mr.NovelhadabsolutelynothingtodowiththePresidentsassassinationandwasnotthen,andneverhasbeen,anagentoremployeeoftheCIA.Untilthistimeinhislife,Mr.Novel,likealltherestofus,hadbelievedthattheFBIwasthegoodguys."_____________________________

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