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F E D E R L UUHg U OF lNV l .S "r lC A .T IO I C

Dallas, Texas

May 4, 1964

LEE HARVEY OSWALD

y l e t t e r dated April 30, 1964, the President s~ o m m i s s i o n pointed out tha t in connection with the statementsof Mr. and Mrs. FLOYD Go DAVIS and others Who claim to have

observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD in the Sports Dome Gun Range, thereappear references to a large man with a black beard. The

Pres iden t s commission requested the resul t s of invest igat ionconducted to determine Whether or not the man with the black

beard was associated in any way with LEE HARVEY OSWALD o

On March 15, 1964, FLOYD DAVIS of the Sports DomeGun Range, 8000 West Davis, Dallas, Texas, advised t ha t he had

sighted on tha t day or the previous day the bearded man whohe had previously reported had in some way been associated withan individual believed by DAVIS to be OSWALD a t the Sports DomeGun Range. Mr. DAVIS s ta ted t ha t the bearded man was driving a

1961 or 1962 red ~ n White Chevrolet Impala, bearing TexasLicense Number PW 2958.

On March 16, 1964, the Dallas county Motor Vehicle

Registra t ion Office records ref lec ted tha t 1963 Texas LicensePW 2958 i s l i s ted to a 1962 Chevrolet, four-door, Which i s

regis tered to southern Lead Rolling company, 2823 North westmoreland, Dallas, Texas.

On March 16, 1964, MICHAEL BENTLEY MURPH residence1139 Plymouth Road, Telephone Number W 6-8514, was intervieweda t his place of employment, southern Lead Rolling company, 2823

North Westmoreland, Telephone Number FE 1-3241, a t Which t ime hefurnished the following information g



Reg LEE HARVEY OSWALD

On a Sunday e i ther November 3 1963 or November 10

1 9 6 ~ about one and one-half hours before sunset he went alone

to the sports Dome Gun Range a t 8000 Wes1: Davis Dal las in the1962 White over red four-door Chevrolet . bearing 1963 Texas

License PW 2958 which vehicle i s registe red to his employer •

Southern Lead Rolling company to t ea t f i r e two Remington r i f l e s . ·

One r i f l e was a Model 721 .300 Super Holland and

Holland and the other a u . s . Rif le .30 ca l ib re M 1903A3.

Neither r i f l e had a scope only open s ights .

He did his target prac t ice in about the th i rd posi t ion

from the we·st end of the f i r ing point . As he remembers theposi t ion number was 7 or 8 . The best he can remember i s tha t

there were white male and white female f i r ing together a t thewest end of the f i r ing point . On the east of his posi t ion were

some s ix or eight other i n d i v i d u a l ~ and possibly two or threeothers on the gun range. He was not acquainted with anyone

Who was a t the rariga that day and could not reca l l well thosewho were there . He bel ieves he was the only lone individual and

a l l others were in groups of various s izes . Upon viewing thephotograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, Dallas Police Department Number54018 · taken November 23 1963 he advised OSWALD i s unknown to

him other than through the news media since the assassinat ion ofPresident. KENNEDY" Ee does n o ~ r eca l l seeing anyone a t the

Sports Dome Gun ~ n g e resembling LEE HARVl :Y OSWALD. He doesnot r eca l l .anyone shooting a r i f l e with a scops and bel ieves most

everyone e lse a t the r;mge w ; J ~ e shooting • .22 cal ibre r i f l e s o Hespoke only brief ly with the persons on his l e f t and r igh t and

th i s l imited conversat.ion was c in regard t > clear.ing f i r ing pointsso everyone could go forward and examine the i r targets .

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he general ly placesin c a r d b o ~ r d cartons o He noes net. bal e v ~ he carr ied his ammu-ni t ion loose in a c : ~ p or piece of cloth when 2 t t.he range a t theabove t ime. However he does not. remember specif ical ly havinghis ammunition i.n a box a t the above t ime. He f i red about s ix teenrounds t o t a l only one of Whlch was f i red in the .300 Super due to

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Re: LEE HARVEY OSW LD

.He i s described as

Age 27

Born November 6 1936

Height 5'11Weight 300 pcundsHair Dark brownEyes Brown

I t is notecl MURPH has a four-year growth beard.

When at the Sports Dome Gun Range as described above,Which i s the only occasion he has ever been a t the Sports Dome

Gun Range, he was wearing his firearms earmuffs. Be has a redsweat sh i r t and green work t rousers but he does not reca l l i f

he was wearing these.

Be arrived at the range about one and one-half hoursbefore sunset and l e f t a t sunset.

He is not acquainted with J CK RUBY other than throughthe news media af ter OSW LD was s la in . Be has never seen OSW LD

or RUBY in person.

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Honorable J , Lee &ankin0.1\ft'tf.l CouneelfheLfreaident•a Coaaiaeion200 lriryland venue, IJOrtfiea AtWaahington, J), C.

Dear Il l . lankin s

leference i s aade to JOur l e t t e r datedApril 30, l tN , requeatins i l l f o r a a t i • coneernins anindividual deecribed u a l a r p man wttll a blackbeard obHned a t tu lporta DJooM GilD bop IJ&llu,Yea . , dlar iq r o v • ~ · 1163.

IDclo•d are two copiea of • MIIOructuacaptioned Lee Barve7 Olnald dated .4 l i N , a tDa l l u Yexaa. f t i a MJIOr DdUII ic leat i f iea tbedeacribed indi ' l idual u l l r l l icbael l ea t l ey l lurpband reveala the reeul ta of an in tervl pertaiDiDto bia preeeDCe a t the lpor ta Drolle a.. a&Dp cturins

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&equeat received ~ r o Commission by l e t te r

dated 4/30/64 concerning statements made by Mr. and Mrs.Floyd G. Davis who claimed that they observed Oswald t

the Sports Drome Gun Range and reference was made to alarge man with a black beard. The Commission under-

stood th i s individual had been ident i f ied by th i s Bureauand they desired a report of invest igation to determinewhether or not the individual was associated in any waywith Lee Harvey Oswald. The individual has beenident i f ied and interviewed and results furnished to theCommission by report and also attached enclosures, Murph

did not know ei ther Oswald or Ruby and had no inforMationre l t ive to them,



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R E P R ~ D U C E D AT THE N A i i ; ; N A L ~ A R C H I VES_r :

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Kr . J. Edgar Hoover

Director , Federal Bureau of l r :vcct icat ion

Department of Just ice

'dashington, D. C. 20535

Dear Mr. Hoover:

The Commission l lOCllcl c.ppreciate your recontac t ing

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Mrs. Virginia Louise Davis, 222) By Hay, Dal las , Texas who, with her

husband, operates the Sports Drome Rif le Range in Dallas, When in te r

viewed by Special Agents Carter and Brown on December 1, 1963, she

apparent ly indicated tha t no wri t ten "reg is te r" was maintained a t the

r i f l e range during the period in September through November l963,when

Oswald i s al leged to have pract iced a t the r i f l e range. However,

during the co-oiTse of her deposi t ion before ~ r . Liebeler on Apri l 1 ,

1964, the following colloquy took place:

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"Hr. Liebeler . Can you t e l l us the date tha t Mr.

Price said he took Oswald in , or th is

man lho he thought was Oswald, who wasthe l a s t customer?

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"Mrs. Davis. I don' t know the exact date , but {wrote it in my journal , but I don •t- ; -

have it withme.. , 9

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l-lr. Liebeler . \·.'hen you refer to the journal , what

do you rLean?

"Hrs. Davis. t cc a dai ly record I keep of every-

t ; : J . : 1 . ~ t:la t happens a t the range. When

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obtain from Mrs. Slack an evaluat i on of her husband s veracity.

2 . In the r eport f rom the Dallas Office of your Bureau

dated February 25, 1964, i t wn:. reported that on the preceding daySpecia l Agent C. Ray Im 1, wiL l. t i.e use of a pol ygraph, interviewed

Alber t Guy Bogard in r eGard t o a l legation that on November 9, 1963,r r ~ ~ - a - a e m o n s t r a t i o n ride to a wan who vi s i ted the DowntownLi ncoln-Mercury salesroom in Dall as a nd gave his name as Lee Oswald.

The report indicates that the emotiona l responses recorded by t he

polygraph wer e those n o n ~ l l l of a person tel l ing the t ruth.

However, the r eport prov < 1 (' ;, 0 : 1 l ~ · s u:nrna.ry of the questions vh i ch we r easked Hr. Bogard. Hould you p l c : : ~ . : ; e pr nvide us with as detaile o a

report as possible conce rnine th e ) r e · ~ . . : . s quest ions asked of Mr. Bogardand his answers to these que st ions .

3 · In the report prepared by Special Agents C. Ray Halland t-b.urice J . \,lhite on December l l , 1963, covering an interviev vi th

ittr . Oran Paul Brown, 101 Savannah, ~ a . x a h a c h i e , Texafi, i t appears that

~ ~ Erown provrdea· corroboration fo r the testimony of Mr . Bogard.

Hr . Br own s to.ted that one to t wo weeks before the assassination Bogard

asked him to service Oswald i f he appeared in the salesroom while Bogard

was not in, ~ n d that Brown wrote Oswald ' s name Qn a s l ip of paper which

a t some time he brought home wi th him. Mr. Brown further stated that

when he returned home on the evening of November 22, 1963, his wifeasked hirn what he kne,., about Oswald sinc e she had seen Oswald's name on

~ p i e c e of paper among his effects . Please interview Mrs. Brown to

determine whether or not she ever observed the name Lee Oswald on a



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As to l·1r Viil.:;o:l) . > Jctermine whether he has any

r....-·-L>·wlcdge about Mr. Bogard 's : ~ . . · : u ~ ~ c d r..-lilson•s demonstrator ca r to

w1ke a demonstration to a nroc ,,, '',: vc customer on November 9, 1963.Before the assassination, die >J ;-: ' ' ever mECntion anything to Wilsonabout such demonstration or .--,_-.-,-lit.- t , ~ c · customer to vhom he made the

demonstration?

As to Mr. Lawrence, /,e ncts previously stated to SpecialAt;ents John B. '.loodruff and Leon i l . Graben, on December 11, 1963, tllatBot;ard n\n'ote UpJRpers c o v c r l : : ~ , ; t ~ 1 c G:.tle of th i s car to Oswa.ld 11

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detc:::::iine prec i se ly what ~ ~ ~ . : 1 p c r s • L'lT.vTence waG r e fer r ing to and the bas i s

~ ~ ~ ~ 0 1 1 which he :n.'3.de such s:.atr,r::ent. '-lr. Lawrence a l so s ta ted that 11as a

Yt::S'.llt'' of h is ca l l inc I<r. J-c' · = < ':; , 'J.llcco..tion to the a t ten t ion of the

FEI :rflis leaving his e m p l o ~ : : : : • - : : ~ · L . _;._ J)Q.llas a t the Do'\(lltown Lincoln-Mercury

Company was speeded up ancl ucc :crrccl the same day he made the cal l .Determine the basis upon wdi.c ' nc believes that his discharge wasconnected with his call ing this matter to the attention of the FBI; whenhe called the FBI, did Mr. Bogard or Mr. Pizzo, the assistant salesmanager, or anybody else oppose his dOiiigso' "'' Ascertain the surroundingcircumstances.

As to Mr. Teter, who has previously informed your Bureau

that Lawrence had a t one time told him that he had received a bad

conduct discharge, determine whether and when he related this fact toMr. Pizzo; i f he did so infonn Nr. Pizzo, what was Pizzo's reaction to

th is information?

Also, please reintcrview Mr. Bogard himself to determine

whether he spoke to anybody other than Mr. Pizzo about the prospective



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• d · person. r· bc··t e v e s v;-,1:..; OsW3.ld was in the shop on one~ c ~ t : ~ i c tnat ti e

O( :cn::;ion on a o'rlda.Y e v e n l i ~ G r_l._o:Jc to ( :00 p.m. t about the time that

Shasteen \Ius leaving for a hir;h school footbal l game; this vas ei theron November 1 or November 8 1963. heferring to the occasion on which

Mr. Glover cut this person's h::cir, Jh::tsteen test i f ied as follows:

"he went around o.nd instead of using his back

bar to look in the mi'""ror o.nd comb his hair ,he went down to the or,e a t the middle chairand just rudely pushed out of the vay and hego up there and combed his hair and turned hiswater on, you know, and got some more oi l andput on i t , on his hrrir, and he didn t say thank

you or excuse me or nothing. He just pushed inthere those thine;s r;uke you remember.

Obtain from the barbers as complete a description as possible of the

physical appearance of any person they believe resembled Oswald,

including a fu l l description of his a p ~ : : t r e l ; also ascertain as muchinfonnation as possible about o.ny person who may have accompanied a manresembling Oswald to •he barbershop and also ascerta in whether the manresembling Oswald W dS seen driving a car to the barbershop, and i f so,obtain a description of the car.

Mr. Shn.steen llso tes t i f ied that his brother-in-law used

to l ive right acros: t:·.e s treet from

Hrs. Paine; he also tes t i f i ed

that he owned sor.1e propert: ' Irvine; wi1ich he rents to others. Pleasere-interview Mr. Sha.s'ceen in order to obta.Cr. -che addresses of his



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man had \Yith him if I showed you pictures of n rille?

:\Irs. DAVIS. No; because like I say, at that time they Wf're just guns.

)Ir. Ln:nELER. I f you don't have a11ytlling elsr that 3Tou think would. b0 hdpful

to us a t this point, I will thank you for {'Oming iu aw.l cooperating with us the

way you have. I want you to know the Commission appreciates it very much.

1\Irs. DAVIS. All right.

TESTIMONY OF MALCOLM HOWARD PRICE, JR.

Tbe testimony of Malcolm Howard Price, Jr., wag taken at 9 :lD a.m., on

April 2, 1VG4, iu the office of the U.S. nttorney, 301 l 'ost Office B u i l d i n ~ ; , Bryan

and Ervay Streets, Dal1as, Tex., ty Mr. \Yf slC>y J. l if'beler, a s ~ i s t a n t counsel

of the President 's Commission. Hobert T. Davis, assistant attorney general of

Texas, was present.

1\Ir. LIEHELF:R. 'Vould you rise, sir, and raise your right hand

Do you soh•mnly swear that the testimony you are ai.Jout to giYe will be the

t ruth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God I

1\Ir. PmcE. I do.

Mr. LIEBELER. Mr. Pric'e, my name is Wesley J. Lieheler. I nm a member of

the I e ~ a l foitaff of the P r e ~ i d e n t s Commission investigating the assassination of

President Kennedy. I ha>e been authorized to take your testimon,· by the

Commission, pursuant to authority granted to the Commission Ly ExeC utive

Orrler 1\'o. 11130, dnted November 29, l l G : ~ . and Joint Resolution of Congresshv. : _a l war to ~ i Y e lu J UU a t:ulJ.r oi u.at J . ~ x e c u t i v e older and of that

joint resolution, as w'ell as a copy of the rules of procedure adopted by the

Commission governing the taking of testimony of witnesses.

'Ve want to inquire of you concerning the possil.Jility that you saw Lee IIarYey

Oswald at the Sports Dro111C Rifle Range, 8000 'Vest Davis, sometilne in

NO\·ember 1003.Before we get into the details, I would likC> to have you state your full name for

the record. ,1\Ir. PRICE. I t is :l\Ialcolm Howard Price, Jr.

\Ir. LrEnELER. ":here do ~ · o u lhe, Mr. Price

llfr. PRICE. At 1127 Rice, Grand Prairie.

1\Ir. LrEnELER. \Vher'e were you born

1\fr. PmcE. I was born at Graham, Tex.

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:Mr. LIEllELEH. Have you lived all your life here in Texas

l\Ir. PnrcE. No; I have lived in Oklahoma for 4 years and in California for 5

years.

l\lr. LIEOELEI:. How long ha>e you lived in Dnllas- this lnst time--in Grnnd

Prair ie

llfr. PRICE. Oh, about 13 years.l\Ir. LrF.nELER. \ \ hen were you born?

~ : r . P I : r ~ L . ~ ~ ~ :·:: G l D ~ ~ -::\Ir. LIEBELEH. \Vhere are ~ · o u employed?

1\Ir. PniCE. I am ret i red- I nm lnwmployed.

~ I r . LIEBr:J.EH. I understand that's }Jrimarily because of the fact that you

have a heart condition?



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do he1p tlJf>re from tim<' to time. Tlley are (>}(1se friends of mine and I hu Ye

helped them get the tllings set up and get i t started.

Mr. LIEBELEH • Ar'e ~ - o u referring to the Davises7

Mr. PmcE. Yirginia and Floyd Davis.

:Mr. LIEnELER. The Commission has information to the f'ffect that sometime

during Novemher 1HG.1, you saw a gentleman at the rifle range whom you subsequently came to believe was Lee Harvey Oswald; is that correct?

Mr. PRICE. That's right. The first time that I saw this person was in Rep.tember, tb'e last week- the last Saturday of September, and that was the

afternoon that they opened the rifle range.

Mr. LIEBELER. On the last Saturday of September?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. That would be September 28?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.~ : l r .

LIEBELER. Tell me the circumstances under which you first saw thisfellow?

Mr. PRICE. Well, it was just about dusky dark and he came in in an old

model car, I would judge i t was possibly a 1940 or 1941 model Ford.

} ~ r . I I r L : i ~ - I L . ~ ~ r ; , ; th:-rt n r ; ~ · o J c ' \ l t 1 l J ~ I : l ·Mr. PRICE. iNo; he was by himself, and I h:n·e heard that he couldn't drive,

but he was driving that day because lw was the only one in the car, and he

came down and inquired if there w ~ anyone there that could set a ";C'Ope, a

telescope on a rifle, and I told him that I could, and he said, well-he had

one that he had had mounted and b o r e s i ~ : h t e d but it hadn't been fired on a

range and that he would like to have i t sighted in, so I went down and set upn tr:re-Pt on n lmnrl"rPil ynrflq.

Actually, be set the target up himself and I drove my car and turned the

headlights on on the target and as I Jlroceeded to set the r i f ie I fired the ritl 'approximately 12 to 12 to 18 tinws I would say and zeroed i t ill on a lmnun'd

yards and 1\fr. Davis came in from work hefore we left and he also drove l1b

pickup down and turned his lights on. He drove his pickup down on t}l(>

opposit'e side and turned his lights on t lw target.

1\fr. LrEnELER. On the oppositP side of the target from your car?

l\1r. PHICE. Yes; and 1\Irs. Davis went home---she was tired and \ \ ' U ~ : m " t feeli11g

too good and slle went home as soon as lle got down there.

1\Ir. LIEUI::LEH. As ~ o o n as .Mr. Davis diU'

~ \ l r . 'RICE. l:es.

Mr. LIEBELEH. Did ~ I r . Davis see this fellow at that time?

Mr. PRICE. \Yell, I don't knmv whether he saw him or not. He a p p a r c n t l ~ ·don't renwml.Jer i t .

1\ r. LIEBELER. You have discussed i t with Mr. Davis?

I\fr. PRICE. 011, we have talked about i t some, Lut lle doesn ' t -he don't even

recall turning his hPad.lights on.

1\ r. J,rERELEn. Now, did this man fin• tlw rifle himsPlf?

•. lJ.n-; . Ll· ~ ; 1 \ _ · 1 l LLll..'v t--lH·i.·. nLt·l I lta<l got i t ~ P t lu wlJ(•n• I could fin.• u

pattern, with thrpr s h o t ~ in a lmll's rye. I turned i t oYer to him and I ~ a i d ,"1\'ow, I'm f . : a t i ~ f i r d with it, yo11 try it."

And, hP fired three shots and lH• s{"ored l m l l ' ~ p ~ y e with all t l l rep n y(•ry tight

pattern and he said, "\Ye-ll, I am (·omplPtPly f - > a t i ~ f i f ' d . ".1\Ir. Ln:nELFH. IIo'v mueh did you (·harg-p him for ZC'roing- til(' rifle in?

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1\lr. PHICE. 1 \o, he too tlH•m with him-he picked them all up after the rifle

was firPd nnd took t lw ~ h e l l f·a:-ings along with him.

1\Ir. LIEBELEIL You lind nn om•ortunity to o h ~ e r v e the rifle, did you not?

:Mr. Pn.JCE. Yes, I lwd i t in my hand.

1\lr. LIERELER. " 'ould :rou lJe al>le to identify the rifle?1\Ir. PRICE. 'Yt>ll, I helieve I would- i t was a fort"ign make rifle and I wasn't

too familiar wit J i t a t the time.

:Mr. Ln:nLLEH. Did you SPe i t again?

llfr. P mcE. On two otlwr O('('asionR that he was there.

l\lr. Ln::nELER. Before we go on to that, you indieated that in order to see the

tar (et JOU had to tnrn the lights of the automobile on and t Jat of Mr. Davis'

truck on; is that right?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. l'::u:.; it light up at the rifle range from where you fired?

1\Ir. PmcE. Oh, yes; we have 11ro11 lights thPre.

l\Ir. L H ~ B E L E R . So you didn't have any difih:ulty in speing this fellow?

lllr. PRICE. No--no dif iC'nlty nt all.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. r.rhen this fellow just put the rifle in the rar and drove off?

1\fr. PrucE. Yes.

'Mr. LIEnELEH. Did he have a gun <'3RP or anything like tha t?

.l\fr. PRICE. 'Veil, if he did, he didn't hriug it down to the firing house.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. l iP didn't have anything he wrappt•d the rifle i n ?

l\1r. PRICE. Not that I l1:11ow of. In fad, the best I remember, when he g-otout of the car, be just picked the gun up out of the lml'k seat beC'ause it wasn't

' } ~ r a p p e d in anything or wasn't in a raf'e.

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l\lr. l 'lacE. Ou two otll<.'r o c < " a s i o u s ~ o r w w n ~ 2 'vPekR later and at turl..;:py

shoot. t was Sunday, though, it was on a Sunday.

~ l r . Ln:nELER. t wonhl have lJPen in Odobpr f'nmetime, then, is tlu1t right'

1\Ir. PRICE. Yes, i t would.

l\lr. LILBELEH. Tlle l a ~ t F;atnnl;Jy in SP ll<'mlwr, whh·h is the day ;you indicated

was tbe first time you saw him was the 28th of RPpteuJlwr?

::\Ir. PRICE. Yt's: that was tl1e dny they op<•Iw<l. ' l 'hpy opCIJPd in the nftPruoon.

1\lr. LTEBELER. Aud :. \YePks later would han• h(?Pll the 12111 of OctoUer, andthe Sunday following would bP tlw 1 : ~ t h of Odoher; that rig-ht?

l \ l r . PHICE. Yt·R, ~ o n 1 e w l w r e around thPl'P. Tlwy had a turl\PY shoot aiHl I

went down to partid Jate in a tnrkpy :-;hoot Hll(l hP wns sittiug in Booth G or Hand was firing on a· 1()0-yard linP with a lwavy hore riflt> aud I (lilln't tall.;: to him

then, Out tlw third time that I saw Jiim there I (lid.

l\lr. L n ~ m . L E H . Did ;\·ou ~ t · e this time in OdobPr, the day of this turke;\· shoot,

did you :-;pe that hr had tlw sauw rifle you had ohs<·n'pd't

1\lr. I 'HICE. No, I didn't }Jay too llllH'll attPntion to that. I juRt ~ a w him as he

(·auw by nud he weut 011 down to the booth. l lwre an• pl'ople tlwt ouw down

tlwre aud so1ne of tlwm h a n ~ high al :l six or f'PYPH <liffrrent rifles. This I\Ir.Slad\. thnt yon jnst tnlkP<l to-T no I i('ed him in } J U r t h - n l ~ H h ( • t a n ~ e lw I1a<l quitP

a variPt.Y CYPl'Y tinw he <'<Hll<' dowu lhPrP---llP had three or four r i f l e ~ with him.

1\Ir. Ln:m:u:n. 1'hPrP':-> nothiug that havp<'llP(l on thi:-: sN·fmd time that :ron ~ a wthat particularly Rtan<ls out?

l\Ir. I'mcF. " ~ < > 1 1 - n o t thai I k11ow of JlPI':-'(JJlall.r, hut I llo Ulllh•rt>tand tlwn• wa:.,;

a hassk llet'WPPll him and l\lr. Hlad..;: on•r ~ h o o t i n g the wrong targt't or ~ o J H e t l d n g

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I said, inquired if there waR anybody thnt could set a telegcope. I took him

down to set his telescope and we stayed there that mu ch longer and l\lr. DavlF>

came in and Mrs. Davis went on home. ·Mr. LIEDELER. Did 1\IrR. DaYis haYe nn o1mortnnity to see this man?

Mr. PRICE. Not that I know of-slle knew there was somebody there but she

was inside the building.

Mr. LIEDELER. There was nobody else there?

Mr. PRICE. There was no one else there.

Mr. LIEBELER. When was the next time you saw him, the third time?

Mr. PRICE. Well, I don't remember just exactly when i t was, but it was-I t

could be anywhere from 1 to 3 W<'CkR la ter- don't remember exactly, but it

was on a Sunday, Sunday wnR the on ly time I went down there after that in n

good while.~ I r . LIF.nF.LFR. ~ I r . Pr i<'e, th is i::; r. P a ,·is f rom the a ttorn('y g('nern ofli<·<· for

tl.le Stme of Tt·xas.

1\Ir. Er ice bas testified that he Ra'IY 0Rwald out a t the Sports Drome Rifl <.

Range.

Mr. PRICE. I don't remember the exact date on that, but the third. time that

I saw him he did have the same gun.

Mr. LIEDELER. He did?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. W e l l- -

l\1r. PRICE. And I asked him if it was still doing the job, i f it was still set

and be said, It was shooting ju s t fine, and Mr. Slack was there at the time and

at this particular t ime-that might ha>e been the day that they bad the hasslethere, I don't know, but they ·ere silting ri ght next to one nnothcr-l\Ir. Slark

was in booth 9 and Oswald was in booth 8, and he commented on his telescope.Mr. LIEBELER. Who commented on the telescope?

Mr. PRICE Oswald.

1\lr. LIEBELER. Commented to you?

1\lr. PrucE. Yes; be asked me to look through it, and he said, It.'s one of theclearest telescopes that I ha>e e>er Reen-one of the brightest. H e said, It 's

a Japanese scope and I gave $1 for it.

Mr. LrEDELER. He told you that he pnid $18 for it?l\Ir. PRICE. Yes; he said that i t wns-he remnrked that i t was a 4-power tclt'

scope and he said i t was mounted on Redfield mounts. You see, they ruak('mounts for se-ver a1 different J 'llllR, but I don't know one mount from n nother

myself. I just took llis word for i t that it w ~ n Redfield mount, uut I lookt>d

through the scope and i t was Y£'Q' rlear. t was very IJright and we compan'cli t with two scopes that l\Ir. ~ I n c · • had on hi s gun and a fellow that was s l l o o t i n ~ :on the rigbl side in booth 7- 1 don't know who that was, but we compared It

with thr<'e different .\m eric':uHuacle SCOJles and his teleRrope was b r i ~ h t e > rand clearer by far. You could read the liues and numerals on the target >ery

plainly with i t.1\Ir. LIEDELER. Did he tell you that be paid $18 for the scope or did be sny

that he paid $18 for th e whole w o r k ~Mr. PRICE. No; he Rnid he l)Uid $18 for the scope.Mr. LIEnELER. Did Ill' tell you where he had it monnted?

Mr . PR ICE. I le sa id t ha t ht> got th e thing from n gunsmith in Ceonr Hill for ndebt, the gnn , and that be bougllt the scope and that the gunsmith mounted it

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:Mr. LIEBE.LER. Did he tell you where this gunsmith was located?

~ M r . PRICE. No; he didn't say anything about the location other than it was in

Cedar Hill.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you what the guy's name was?

:Mr. PRICE. No.

~ I r . LIEBELER. "1as there anyone with him that day or was he by himself?

Mr. PnrcE. I don't know; I don't know whether he was by himself or not.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. You didn't see anybody else that seemed to be \Yith him?

1\Ir. PRICE. No; there was a lot of people there and everybody was milling

around talking to everybody else and I don't know whet11er he was with anyone

or not.

l\Ir. LTEBELER. \ow, what about the fellow that w·as in th<> booth on the other

side of l\Ir. Slack, do you remember anything ahont h im- think yon said.1\Ir. PRICE. All I remember about him was thut he was a big fellow with a long

black- i t was either black or dark red beard.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Did you talk to him at all?

l\Ir. PRICE. Other than just to comment on his scope- didn't have any con-

Yersation at all with him.

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Mr. PRICE. No; I 'm talking about the fellow with the beard.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you look through his scope too?

Mr. PRIDE. Yes; I did.

1\fr. LTEBF.LF:R. Did Oswald talk to the fe lo"· \>'ith the beard?Mr. PrucE. Well, I s u p p o s ~ h e spoke to all of them-to Oswald and Slack

both, a Jout the clarity of the telescope.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were you there when they were talking about the clarity of

Oswald's telescope?

:Mr. PnrcE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this fellow that you think w·as Oswald come or

go from the range or did you just see him there then?

1\Ir. PRICE. I just saw him there. I just saw him there a couple of times.

J\Ir. LrEBELER. A couple of times that day?

l\Ir. PRICE. No; two separate times, I believe, that Oswald was present atthe range both timrs that he was, as I renwtuhc•r, but I don't 1-aww \Yhetber

they were there together or not.

.Mr. I. IEEELER. 'Ye are getting our wires crossed-you're talking now about the

fellow with the beard?

l\Ir. PRICE. Yes.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. You meant that he was there on the range a couple of different

times?

Mr. PRICE. Yes; he was there both times that I saw Oswald.

J\Ir. LIERELER. That you saw Oswald?

1\Ir. PRICE. That I saw Oswald; yes. The second and third time.

~ I r . LIEnELER. But you neYer saw them come and go together?

::\Ir. I RICE. 1 \ ~ o ; I didn't pay any attention to \Yho canlLL_whether they ('arne

and left together or how they got there, but just that one particular t ime-he ,,-ns t11P only ( l nP there.

J\Ir. LIEllELER. You never noticed how Oswald came to the rifle range and

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Mr. PRICE. Weli, it 's strictly a military rifle and It's patterned after the

German :Mauser.Mr. LIEBELER. A bolt-action rifle?

>Ir. PRICE. A holt action, and the general outline i t had-abou t ob, possibly

a six shot clip that set just ahead of the trigger, and I understand it was

6.5 Italian, but at that time I didn't know. I thought it was a lllauser becausptherP's a friend of mine in Grand PrairiP that llns an Argentine Mausf"r that

was 7.6 and it looked very familiar-they looked a whole lot alike.

Mr. LIEnELER. Did you have a chance to look at any of the writing or print

ing that was stamped on the rifle?

Mr. PRICE. Well, the only thing that I could see on it I looked for a brand

name so I could see approximately where i t was made, and the only thing that I

could find on i t was a serial number.

?tir. LIEBELER. Did you look closely for a brand name?

Mr. PRICE. I didn't examine i t too close.

l\1r. LIEBELER. But you did see the serial number?Mr. PRICE. I saw the serial number and the gun wasn't blued at the t ime-

i t had a bright finish on the barrel. t looked like it had been placed in alathe and turned down, as far as-well , in an attempt to sporterize the gun.

Mr. LIEBELEB. I t had been worked on in some manner in an attempt to sport

erize i t?

Mr. PRICE. I thought i t had.

Mr. LIEBELER. How far did the barrel protrude from the stock of the rille,

bow far did it stick out from the end of the stock?

Mr. PRICE. Possibly 6 or 8 inches at the most.

Mr. LIEBELER. Had the stock been cut back in this attempt to sporterize the

rifle?

Mr. PRICE. Well, not that I could te l l i t was similar to a German Mauser

and they have, you know, they haw got a full length, almost a full leugth

stock with a wooden piece on the top of them also.

Mr. LIEBE,.ER, And the wooden piece on top was still on this rill<>-whic·hyou did see?

Mr. PRICE. No; I don't believe it was.

Mr. LIEBELER. t bad been taken off?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

Mr. LIEnELER. I t had been taken off as par t of the attempt to sporterize the

rifle?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Had the end of the barrel heen cut off?

~ I r PRICE. I don t know whether it had been cut off or not.

Mr. LmnELER. You say the barrel had a shiny finish?

Mr. PRICE. Yes; i t did at that time.

l\lr. LIEBELER. I will show you two pietures that have been previously marked

Exhibits 3 and 4 on the deposition of 1\Ir. Greener and ask you if you recognize

that as the rille that this man had at the range'Air. PRICE. IExamining instruments referred to.] Except for the ~ l i n g and

the forepiece-- I would say they are tlle same gun. The gun had no s l i n ~on it I t did have the mounts on the side for a sling.

1\Ir. LrEnELEu I t didn1t have a sling on it?

Mr. PRICE. I t didn't.

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is that right?

1\Ir. PRICE. That's right, and that's the reason I thought a t the time that

it had been placed in a latlte and turned down, lmt I'm not too familiar with

the foreign made guns and I have learned since then that all Mauser riflesare that type--they are made that way.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. With these steps as they come back toward the action?

1\Ir. PRICE. That's right.

1\Ir. LIEBELEI<. Is this the same kind of scope that you saw on the rifle that

Oswald had, the fellow you thought was Oswald I

.l\Ir. PRICE. Yes; i t had large receivers at both ends and I believe, now, Imight not be right about the brand name, but I believe i t was a Tascosa, since

I examinPd i t ~ i t was a Japanese made scove. They make several difi\'rent

brands of those th ings-i t could be any of thew, but I believe, as I remewber

it it was aTascosa.l\Ir. LIEBELER. So, if you took the sling off thiR rifle and took the top 'IYooden

piece off the barrel, you think i t would look pretty much like the one that

this fellow had?

l\fr. PRICE. Yes..l\Ir. LrEBELEU. Now, you testified before that when you examined this rifle,

you looked for the brand name and you weren't able to find a brand name?

J\fr. PRICE. That's right.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. But you did see the serial numher?

1\fr. PRICE. The serial number w a s ~ i t was in b('rP, in hPl'(\ or in here-- I believe

i t was right along in here. •

l\Ir. LIEBELER. And yon are referring to the fore part of the action or the part

of the rifle just before the action and immediately under the front edge of the

scope, is that right?

1\fr. PRICE. Yes; the largest diameter of the barrel. The clip is here.

J\fr. LIEBELER. I t fits in just in front of the t r i ~ : l e r ?Mr. PRICE. I t fits in just in front of the tril(ger there.

l\Ir. LIERELER. I will hand you some pictures and see if you can reeognize any

o f the people in them as the lllan you saw at the riflt> rang-e--the:;;p hnYe l flen

previously markPd "Commission Exhibits Nos. 4;}1 and 4G3 through 4:)6.":Mr. PRICE. [Exmuiniug d(K UmE>nts: rPferred to.] Yes; t h i ~ is tlH' only onp that

has nny similarity I can recall

.Mr. LIEBELER. You are referring to No. 4 ~ ~ d o e s that. look like him?

1\lr. PmcE . '\\yell, these all sePm like- a photogravh of tllP same f ~ l l m v , but

this is the only OIH that has auy r e ~ e m h l a n ( · P , as I ean rt'mPmber.

~ l r . Ln:nELER. Now, I show you another picture--it is a plwtogniilh of n strPPt

scene with several people- in i t and I show yon two diffPre11t pictures und nsk

yon if J OU notice auybody il1 tl1Prt• as beillg tl1e fellow you saw at the rifle range?

1\Ir. PRICE. Yes; this one here and this one ltPre--he has a part of ther e c e d i n ~

hair line on the right side.

l\1r. LIERF.LER. 'Yhich one?

l\ "r. Pr:rcr.. Th s one right here--l1e's g-ot a long k ind of a sllarrl fwse.

:Mr. LIEBELER. rrhe pictures that I han• ju:-;t shoW('(] J'flll do not hnYP any

marks on them, is that right?Mr PRICE. That 's right.



1\lr. LIEBELER. And that picture h.as been marked "Pizzo Exhibit No. 4;13-A."I'll show you a picture that lias Leen marked as "Pizzo Exhibit No. 4G3-C,

and asl\ you if you recognize that as the man you saw on the rifle range? '

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

Mr.LIEBELER.

Do you have any questions about it a t all?Mr. PRicE. About that picture?

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Whether that's the fellow?

Mr. PRICE. Other than the scar or cut on his head, because he didn't have n

cut on his head a t the time.

Mr. LIEBELER. When did you first beeome aware of the fact that this fellow

you saw was Lee Oswald, did you eYer laww his name?

l\lr. PRICE. No; I never knew his name.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. When did you first IJ('(·ome aware of the fact i t was Oswald

when did you first think that it was Oswald'/

::\Ir. PhlCE. '\Yht>u sav;; hin1 on tdt•Yision when they were t r a n s f t ~ r r i n g liilllfrom the Dallas jail.

Mr. LIEBELER. And did you recognize him right away as the fellow you had

seen a t the rifle range?

Mr. PRICE. Yes; and I contacted the FBI the next day. I debated on it all

night whether should call them or get mixed up with i t or not.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Did you mention i t to anyone else, when you saw him on

television?

Mr. PRICE. Yes; my family.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you talk about i t with anyone else before you told the

FBI?1\Ir. PRICE. No

1\lr. LIEBELER. Whom did you talk with at the FBI, do you remember?

Mr. PRICE. Charlie Brown.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let's see if we can establish the date of the last time that ,-ou

saw this man at the rifle range. Do you recall that the President was a ~ a ~ ·sinated on Friday, November 22? Can you tell us approximately how long prior

to thr a ~ s n s i n a t i o n this time w ~ ' < tlmt ;vou ~ w tlw man?

~ I r . PRICE. The last time I saw him was a week Lefore Tllauksgiving; Sunday

before.

Mr. LIEBELER. The Sunday lwfore ThanksgiYing-that 's the last t ime you saw

him a t the rifle range?

Mr. PRICE. That 's the last ti JW that was <lown a t the rifle r ange the last

time went there until after, oh, a month or so after the assassination.

:Mr. LIEBELER. You mean i t was the Sunday immediately preceding Thanks-

giving?

Mr. PRICE. That 's right; was down there for the turkey shoot we had.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. You saw him at the rifle range that day?

l\Ir. PRICE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, the last Sunday before Thauksgiying was after theassassination.

Mr. PRICE. t was after?

:Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; and you saw thiR man at the rifle range, you saw Oswald

a t the rifle range after the assassination?

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that would have been two Sundays before Thanksgiving.

l\Ir. PRICE. Well, i t might be right-that 's been so long a g o I'm not sure aLJutth ' dates, I don't remember dates too well.

1\Ir. l..n:::uELEr.. But you \ Y e n ~ pretty clear in your mind you didn't see Oswald

after the assassination?

Mr. PRICE. That's right.

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever seen him since?

1\Ir. PRICE. I have neYer seen him since. I haYe been down there quite often

since December.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Down a t the rifle range?

l\Ir, PRICE. Yes.

1\-fr. LIEBELER. And business a t the rifle range has fallen off since the assassina

tion, rather sharply, hasn't i t?

Mr. PRICE. Well, for a while i t continued, but it has fallen off very sharply

in the last, oil, in the last month and a half except for Sundays- they do have

good business on Sunday.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Did the FBI show you any pictures of anybody and ask you

to identify them when they talked to you?

1\Ir. PRICE. I t was the FBI or Secret Servic ', on ' of the two, I believe it was

the FBI.

:Mr. Ll£BELER. DiJ. tlJey show you any of the pictures that we have shown

you this morning?

1\Ir. PRICE. They have shown one similar-they had three or four photos :;;bowing this bruise and rut on t.lw forehead.

1\Ir. LIEBELEI<. Did they 8how you n pictur ' of the rifle?

.Mr. PRICE. I belieYe the Se-cret Service .showed me a pi(·ture of the rifle. I

told them the samp th ing i t was:n't made up exnf'tly th 'arne-- it didn't have

'···-···erize the gun.

1\Ir. LIFHELER. The lnst tim 'e you saw this man a t the rifle range-do yon

remember if there was anylJody else there that you know?l\Ir. PRICE. Garland Slaek.

1\Ir. I IEDELER. And you saw :Mr. Sla(•k?

1\Ir. PRICE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Anybody else?

·Mr. PRicE. " ~ e l l , t.h('re was this big fe l low- I rlon't know \Yho he is.

1\lr. LIERELER. Have you v r se-en him since?

~ r . rmcE. ~ o ; l haven't. I UIHlt-r:-::tmul tlwt l\lr. Davis saw him one time

h e c a u ~ e he called rue and told me that he saw him, about 2 weeks ago, and he

turn£>d thP licensP number of the ear over to the FBI.1\-Ir. LIEBE LEn. But you, yonrsplf. have npvpr ::;pe-n him since?

] \ f r PmcF. I haYe JWYPT '-'"f':t } ~ ~ : ~ :·inn'.

1\fr. LIEBEJ.ER. Was there an)·l>ody el"'• that last day at th ' rifle range that

saw this man that might Ue able to i(lPntify llim othpr than 1\lr. Slack allCl l\Ir.Davis?

.1\lr. PIUCE. 'iYell, not that I lnww of. There was a lot of people thPre--there

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Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever see him talk to this big fellow other than talk to

him about this tPleseope on this time you have told us about?

Mr. PRICE. Well, not that I particular rPmPmber.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you form any impression as to whether they were together

or not?Mr. PRICE. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. You couldn't tell one way or the other?

Mr. PRICE. No; I didn't pay any attention to it. There was--I just thought of

i t - there was a doctor and his son there at the same time and they were firing

a .308 caliber W inchester, I believe--it was either a \Vinchester or a Remington

and anyhow, they had identical guns and they were sharpening up for, I believe

they said they were going to Canada and they were there at the same time. '

Mr. LIEBELER. This was the Sunday, the last time you saw him?

Mr. PRICE. Yes.

Mr. J,IEnELER. Do you know their names-do you know what their names are?Mr. PRicE. No; I don ' t - don't know their names- have heard i t but I

don't remember it.

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you remember it if I mentioned i t to you?

Mr. PRicE. Well, I might.

Mr. LIEBELER. Is the doctor's nmne--Dr. '\Vood'

Mr. PRICE. That don't sound like i t - there was a doctor there and his son-

know they w£>re father and son.

Mr. LIEaELER. About how old was the son?

,\.fr. P:nr"r. HE' \ f l - in hi'" early twenties, I believe.

Mr. LIEBELER. Aud did they talk to this fellow about the telescope?Mr. PRICE. I don't remember whether they had any conversation witb. him or

not.

Mr. LIEBELER. What makes you mention that?

1\Ir PRICE. It 's just the fact that they were there a t the same time and I

know they were talking to Garland Slack and there is a possibility that they

either observed or talked to Oswald, bC'eause he ~ sitting next to Slack.

l\.:1r. LIEBELER. You have nothing else that you want to add-1 don't think of

any more questions. I want to thank you for ·coming down and cooperating

with us to the extent that you have and it has Ur-en considerable eooperation H··

cause you got very short notice and yon came very parly thi8 morning, ancl WP

apprerinte this and we want you to know that the Commission apprPciates this

very much. Thank you.Mr. PRIOE. Well, I try to help all I ean. I don't remember dates too wel l

it 's been quite some time. I can remember faces but I can't remember names

and dates worth a hoot.

1\-fr. LIEBELER. rell, we sure apprecirrtf' your coming down.

:Mr. DAVIS. Thanks again-we apprf'dnte :YO'Ur t·omiug down.

l\1r. l'RicE. You bet.

TESTIMONY OF GARLAND GLENWILL SLACK

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show it, but it never was shown anyplace. Just newsbounds. And they putup a big front that it was the Warren Commission.

Mr. LIEBELER . Who were they?

11\fr. SLACK. The te levision guys from Fort " o rth, and they were in such abig hurry to leave, they just took my picture and took off. They had 15

minutes to get to Fort " o rtb, and I never hea rd any more of it a t all.

Mr. LIEBELER. I don t think they had anything to do with the Warren Commission.

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TESTIMONY OF DR. HOMER WOOD 4 t >t{CThe testimony of Dr. Homer Wood was taken a t 3 p.m., on April 1, 19G4, in

the office of th e U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay

Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J . Liebeler, assistant counsel of the

President s Commission.

Mr. LIEBELER. Dr. Wood, would you please rise and raise your right band.

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth , so help you God?Dr. WOOD. I do.Mr. LIEBELER. Please be seated. My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I am a

member of the leg-al sta ff of the Presi dE'nt's Oomruis 'ion im·estigating theassassination of President Kennedy.

I have been authorized to take your testim ony by the Commission pursuant

to authority granted to it by Executive Order No. 11130, dated November 29,1963, and joint re l'olution of Cont.rress r-\o. 137. I understa nd tha t Mr . Rankin

wrote to you last week. Did you get n letter from him?

Dr. WooD. ' Ve each bad an airmail letter from ·wa shington, yes.Mr. LIEBELER . I understand that Mr. Ran kin included a copy of the Executh·e

order to which I have first referred as well as a copy of the joint resolution of

Congress an d the ru les of procedure r ein ting to th e tn.king of. testimony by

the Commission, is that correct?

Dr. WooD. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. We wan t to question you about th e possibility that Lee Harvey

Osw a ld was at the Sports Drome Rifle R ange at 8000 ·west Davis Street in

Dallas, Tex., l'ometilll(' during- No,·ember 1903-uefore going in to the details ofth at particular incident, please s ta te your full name for the r ecord.

Dr. WooD. Homer Wood.

Mr. LrEBELER. You are a den tist, is that correct?

Dr. WooD. That is correct.

Mr. LrEBELER. W'ould you state briefly for us your educational background.Dr. WooD. Well, I bad 2 years of predenta l at Southern Methodist University

and 4 years at Baylor UniYersity College of Dentistry, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. LrEBELER. Are you a nn t ive Texan?

Dr. WooD. I am a native Texan, yes.?.11 . LlEBELER. Born here in Dalias ?



Dr. WooD. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. Was that the only time that you went to the rifle range during

November?Dr. WooD. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. What time of day did you go out there 7Dr. Woon. I was listening to the Southwest Conference football game. My

boy kept asking me to Hurry, daddy, I want to go to try my scope out on mv

gun," and I listened to half of the game. I presume when we got out t h e r ~t was around 3 o'clock in the afternoon. At the rifle range, I am not definite

but i t was between 3 and 5. We left before 5. 'Mr. LIEBELER. Left the range before 7

Dr. 'Voon. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you get an opportunity to finish listening to the game?Dr. WooD. No; we didn't hear any more of the game.

Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us what happened after you arrived at the range?Dr. WooD. Well, the range was pretty busy because it was just before deer

season and most of the fellows out there was sighting in their scope, and we

waited a short while to get a place for my boy to sit down to sight in his

scope. Then when he d i d ~ n o w do you want me to start here with Oswald7Mr. LIEBELER. I want you tell me just what happened.

Dr. WooD. Okay. My boy was shooting his rifle, and there was a fellowsitting to his right. I thought it was an offbrand gun. I t wasn't shooting likethe other rifles there. When he would fire the rifle, at the end of the barrel

there would be a ball of tire corning out at the end of the barrel, aud that is

what attracted my attention to this fellow.

\Vhen I said to my son, I snid, Sou, be earefu1, I am afraid that gun is o i u ~to blow up." And I was kind of laughing and joking around with the other

fellow that was waiting i n ~ w i t i n g to sight in their scope and I would band

him cotton and I would say, "Get ready, this fellow is getting ready to shoot

this 105 howitzer. And I said to my son, step back, or lean over, or be careful,

and he said, "Daddy, that is all right, i t is an Italian carbine."

So they fired several rounds, and after they would fire three or four rounds,

then the keeper out there would say let's go look at our targets, and we wouldgo down and I would look at my boy's target and he wasn't doing so good, but

the second round ,,.e went down there and we noticed this fellow's target to

our right, and my boy made a statement, Daddy, this fellow is not having

much trouble." So I did notice his target, and most of his shots was within

the target, but there were a few that was outside the target, from an inch to2 inches outside of it.

Mr. LIEBELER. Outside the bulls-eye?Dr. WooD. Bulls-eye. And that is as far s ~ d o you want me to get into the

Oswald deul now, or you just want me to go on and tell what he did, or are

you going to ask me some questions?1\Ir. LIEBELER. I want to ask you first of all, did you talk to this fellow at all?

Dr. WOOD. I didn't say a word to him, but my son did.Mr. LIEBELER. Did your son tell you at that time what he had said to the

fellow?Dr. '\Yo0J). He di(ln't tpll me nt that time, 110, Eir He told me later on.

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1\Ir. LrEBELER. Your son's statement was based only on his obser"ration of the

rifle, is that correct?

Dr. WooD. On his observation of the rifle and what be knows about g1 1ns

which Is quite a bit. He studies about guns a lot.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think your son would be qualified to make a statement

in tbis regard?

Dr. WooD. I feel sure more so tban I am. I know very little about guns,

but he knows quite a bit.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you observe this fellow leave the rifle range before you?

Dr. WooD. I did not, but I didn't notice when the change was made, but my

son said he did. He noticed that the fellow came there after my boy had sat

down and this fellow had left before my boy had finished. The reason for

that was, that my boy was having some trouble sighting in his scope, and heasked the keeper to help him. This fellow was tbere less than most of the

fellows that was out there.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Do you remember tbe name of the keeper?

Dr. WooD. I do not. He was a tall fellow; all I know.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Slender?

Dr. WooD. Slender, yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know 1\Ir. Floyd Davis?

Dr. Woon. No, ::-ir; he might have been the fe1low that was helping my son,

I don't know. But I recognized his picture later in the paper when t came

out, and- that this fellow was there practicing, and I recognized the fellowt Je fciiow that LelpeG: wy son.

1\Ir. LrEBELER. Helped your son sight in his scope?

Dr. WooD. Helped my son sight in his scope, and I don't know who owned

the range. I ha Ye no idea.

Mr. I,mnELER. Did there come a time subsequent to that that you were able

to Identify this man that you had seen there as Lee Harvey Oswald?

Dr. WooD. Would you repeat that?

Mr. LrEBELER. After you saw this man, you left the rifle range. Then later

on the next Friday the President was assassinated, and at sometime subsequent

to that time, did you connect up Lee Har"rey Oswald with this man that you sawat the rifle range?

Dr. 'YooD. I did.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Tell me when and how you did that?

Dr. ",..oon. I saw him flashed on the television screen at home several times.

They would interrogate him and bring him down the hall and bring him back

to his cell. This particular time I mentioned to my wife, I said to her, Honey,

that looks exactly like the fellow that was sitting next to Sterling at the rifle

range. But I am not going to say anything to Sterling because I want to see

if he recognizes him and if he thinks i t was.

'Vf'Jl, I won1d .say within 30 minutPs or an hour lw was fia.shed baek on the

screen and he said to me, Daddy, that is the fellow that was sitting next to me

out on the rifle range.

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semblance between Oswa ld - -

Dr. \Yoon. And mentioned i t to my wife.



He looked to me as a fairly frail man, not too strong, and that is the reason

I wasn' t thinking too much about i t until he was flashed on the screen and

then his profile just came to me that that was the man that was out at the

rifle range.

Mr. LIEBELER. What did you do then after you had had this conversation andSterling's observation?

Dr. WooD. I said I think I should report that to either the Dallas police

or FBI.

l\' r. LIEBELER. Did you do SO?

Dr. WooD. I did not until the following Monday. On Sunday, the next

morning-this was Saturday night-on Sunday morning we went to church

and my wife said after church, let's go down and look a t the place where the

President was assassinated. We haven't been down, so we went down there

and we lookecl over the area and we walk<.>d back to our car, and I would say

i t was between 12 and 1 o'clock, and I turned on the radio in the car and tsaid Oswald had been shot.

So I said to my wife, well, I don't know whether i t will do any good now

to turn it in or not, and I didn't turn i t in. l lut later on, on Monday I had afellow in my office who works for the State comptroller's office and told him

about this incident and he said, "Dr. Wood, I certainly would turn it in. Any

thing that you could do will help."

So after he left the office, I called the FBI and told them I thought I bad

some information that might be of importance to them concerning the Oswald

caBP, and they talked to me, and this was on Monday. Aud I told them I

was leaving town. I think I told them, I am not positive, but we went out,me and my wife and son went out to Uvalde <leer hunting, and while. we wer£>

out there-this was on, we went out TuPsd.ay, and we were there ".,.ednesday

night, and Will Fritz of tbe Dallas police force called me and questioned me

about my son and me and were we sure, and I said we were fairly sure tllat

i t was, and he wanted to know when we were coming back, and I said that

mP and my wife were thinking ahout going to Mexico so i t will b'e Sunday beforp

we return. And he said, when you return would you please call me.

Well, that was on tbe following Monday, and I called Will Fritz and be

had two men from homicide come out and talk to me. And on my lunch bour,

two FBI agents came out and talked with me.

~ I r . LIEBELER. 'Vas this on Monday, too?

Dr. WooD. t was on Monday. I beliew. I am fairly "ure it was on Monday

ueea use I called as soon as I came back, and I recall tb:: t when I called, there

was the homidrle, two offieers from ~ i l l Fritz' office eame, and as well as I

remember, they <:alled my oflice girl, the FBI culled my office girl and askr-dcould they come out to spe me, and they came out around my lunch hour, and

I talkt:U tu t:U -_· F..L:l ut that time.

.I\Ir. LIEnELER. Do you remember the names of the agents that spoke to you?

Dr. "'oon. I don't remember the agents, sure don't.Mr. LIEllELER. Did ~ · o u obsen'e the rifle t Jat this fellow was firing closely

( . : J ; ~ ~ ~ ; : : h •-:0 0 1 f>+ ~ · ~ ~ > n crml<l hf' nb1e to hh-'ntify it?

Dr. 'Voon. I don't think I could identify it.

: ; Ir . LIEBELEit. Did the FBI or the Dallas police show you any pictures of

Oswald when they interviewed you?

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Mr. LIEBELL"R. Do you know that the FBI subsequently showed your son apicture of the rifle used to assassinate the President?

Dr. WooD. I knew this.l\Ir. LIEBELEH. Were you aware of the fact that your son indicated that the

picture that the FBI showed them was not the same rifle that was in possession

of this man at the rifle range?

Dr. WooD. I am not aware of that. I am aware of the fact that h'e--he

thinks he said that the rifle they first showed him was the rifle, but the scope

was not the same scope that he showed them. I think that is what my boy

said. I don't know for sure whether they showed him two different pictures

or not, but one time they came out, the FBI come and stayed a very short

while and said is this the scope. That Is the way I understood my wife to

f:iay, and my hoy said no, that is not the scop'e.~ I r . LIEBELER. I want to show you some pictures that have previously been

marked as Commission Exhibits 451 and 453 through 456, and ask you If any

of the pictures I show you resemble the men who you saw at the rifle range?

Dr. Y·:o:w I vick out someone nearest resemDling-is that what you are asking

me? O r is the likeness of either of these to him?

l\fr. LIEBELER. Yes, is this the fellow you saw at the rifle range, do you

think? Are any of these piC'tures of the man you saw at the rifle range?

Dr. Woon. l\Iay I ask this, that the profile that I got of the man, as I told

the FBI, was not a profile like this.. t was a lateral side profile, because I

was facing in this angle, and I said I could only describe him from a lateralview and from the shoulder up, even though I walked down to the rifle range

to the target with him. I did not pay a bit of attention to him.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. So would the picture here, Commission Exhibit 454, be a lateral

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ll r. LIEBELER. That is too much from the front?

Dr. Woon. Well, now, that is a right lateral view. I assume his was a left

lateral view. But still I would say that wasn't.

Mr. LIEBELER. You would say what?

Dr. WooD. That was not the man that I saw.

Mr. LIEBELER. That was not the man you saw?

Dr. \\l'oon. Yes, sir.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph that has been previously marked

as Pizzo Exhibit 453-A and ask you if you recognize any of the indh·iduals

in that photograph as the man you saw in the rifle range?

Dr. WooD. Yes. The man holding the paper facing me with a green mark

abm·e h i ben<i ..Mr. LIEBELER. With the green mark, with two marks abaTe him? There

are two different marks and you indicated the

Dr. Woon. The green marking aboye this fellow right here [pointing].

Mr. l.JEBELF:R. That has an "X"-shaped mark.

Dr. \\l'oon. Yes, sir

.Mr. LIEnELER. I show you another picture whirh has been marked Pizzo

Exhibit 4 f i ~ B and ask you if any of the individuals there appear to be the

same as the man you saw a t the rifle range?



·Mr. LIEBELER. Now I show you two pictures which have been mnrkP·l E ;ldbi s

3 and 4, on the deposition of 1\Ir. Greener, and aRk you if you rPcogdze either

of those pictures as the rifle in the p o ~ s P s ' l i o n of the man at the range?

Dr. V\100D. I didn't observe the rifle close enough to say either one of these

was or wasn't. I only observed the way thP riflP was fired, so I couldn't identif:v

either one as being the rifle that assassinated, or the man that was shooting

out at the rifle range.Mr. LIEBELEB. You are unable to identify that as being the rifle either one

way or the other?

Dr. WoOD. Yes.

Mr. LIEUELEa. Do you know of anybody else that was at the range when you

observed this fellow who also observed him?

Dr. "'ooD. Yes. I told the FBI of Kt'nney Longley. Dr. Longley's son, a

dental surgeon, a friend of mine, was talking to me a t the time they were

shooting. He was getting ready to take over one of the booths, and I u n e r ~stand that later the FBI went out to interview him.

And he had two friends with him. They interviewed them too, but I have

forgotten their names.

Mr. LIEUELER. Did they observe this individunl also?

Dr. WOOD. Other than what I have said, the con"l'ersation that I was con-

cerned about, and I handed them each cotton to put in their ears when he

fired this rille, anU I don't know how ntuch observation tlt(·y made of the nan.

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you discussed with them the question of whether or not

this man was Lee Harvey Oswald?

Dr. WooD. I haven't seen I will retract that statement. I had seen Dr.

L ( ' ~ ' : r l n y ' ~ ~ 0 n . Pn bad a front tooth kno('kf"d out and Dr. Longlpy br011ght

him over to my office, Out nothing was mentioned about Oswald or this man

at the rifle range.

Mr. LlEBELER. Longley and those two friends are the only two men that you

know of that were also at the range a t that time?

Dr. WooD. The only people I know. I couldn't identify another soul that

was out there.

1\.fr. LIEBELER. You haven't discussed this either with Longley or his two

friends?

Dr. 'voon. No, sir.

:Mr. LIEBELER. I don't think I have any more questions a t this point. If

you can think of anything else that ~ · o u think ought to be on the record about

this matter, I want you to feel free to g-o 1·ight ahead and say i t . 'Ve want to

get everything that you know about this.

Dr. Woou. You mean help you out in the eaR( or any feelings in the case?

1\Ir. LIEBELER. No; on the question of wlwtlwr this was Os\vald out there

a t the rifle range, or anything else, if you know any other facts about the cas£',we want to know those, too.

Dr. \\roou. I have elaborated pretty much to you about what I saw. I -wasa great admirer of the l'rPsidcnt all(} I f l lt that if there wus an:rthing I could

do to help clarify or dear up the L ' a ~ e . I was willing to do it, and that is why

I reported.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. On lwhalf of the Commh.; :'ion I want to thank you very mucll

for the cooperation you have shown us, Dr. 'Vood.

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::\lr. LIEBELE&. You are unable to identify that as being the rifle either one

way or the other?

Dr. WoOD. Yes.:Mr. LIEnELER. Do you know of anybody rlse that was at the range when you

observed this fellow who also observed him?

Dr. WooD. Yes. I told the FBI of Kenney Longley. Dr. Longley's eon, a

dental surgeon, a friend of mine, was talking to me at the time tlwy were

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And he bad two f r i e n d ~ with him. They intervie,ved them too, bnt I h.tn•

forgotten their names.

llr .LIEBELER. Did they observe this individual also?

Dr. \Vooo. Other than 'vhat I haYe said, the convenmtion that I wa:-; {'On-

cerned about, and I handed them each cotton to put in their ean;; when h t ~fired this rifle, and I don't know how much obserration they made of the ~ n a n .

:Mr. LrEBELER. Have you discussed with them the qnestion of whether or not

this man was Lee Harvey Oswald?

Dr. WooD. I haven't s e e n ~ will re trad that staternmt. I had SPen Dr.

Longley's son. He had a front tooth knocked out anrt Dr. Longlf'y b r o n . ~ h thim over to my office, but nothing was mentioned. about Oswald or this man

at the rifle range.

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know of that were also at the ranp;e at that time?

Dr. Wooo. The only people I know. I conllln't identify another soul that

was out there.

Mr. LIEBELER. You haven't discussed this either with Longley or his two

friends?

Dr. WooD. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. I don't think I have any more questions at this point. If

you can think of anything else that you think ought to be on the record about

this matter, I want you to feel free to go right ahead and say it. We want to

get everything that you know about this.

Dr. Wooo. You mean help you out in the rase or any feelings in the case?

1\-Ir. LIEBELER. No; on the question of whether this 'vas Oswald out thpre

a t the rifle range, or anything else, if you know any other facts about the cast::' ,

we want to know those, too.

Dr. WooD. I have elaborated pretty much to yon about what I saw. I was

a great admirer of the President and I felt that if there was anything I could

do to help clarify or clear up the case, I was willing to do it, and that is why

I reported._Mr. LIEBELER. On behalf of the Cmnmission I want to thank you very much

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Mr. LrEDELEit. Why did you ask him that question?

:Mr. .,.ooo. Because I read gun books and I was pretty sure that was a 6.5

Italian carbine and I wanted to make sure.

Mr. LIEnELER. Have you told your father about this, that that was an Italian

carbine?

Mr. Woon. Yes.Mr. LrEBELER. How did you express it?

Mr. Woon. I said, Daddy, it looks like a 6.5 Italian carbine, and I asked

him if it was a four-pmver scope, bPrause it \Vas funny looking, it wasn't Amt•ri

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1\ir. LrEBELER. Had yon talked to your father about this fellow or this rifle

before you talked to this guy?

l\ r. Woon. I think I said that i t looked like an Italian make gun, to me.Mr. LrEBELER. You said that to your father?

Mr. Woon. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember why you mentioned that particular gun te

your father?

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Mr. LrEBELER. How could you tell that?

Mr. Woon. Well, you can tell i t had been scratched up and i t was a surplus

gun. t was probably-you can tell it was probably used in the war.

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you mention i t to your father?Mr. Woon. t had a sawed-off barrel, shorter barrel than most rilles were.

1\ r. LrEDELER. How long did the barrel of the rille stick out 1Mr. Woon. About that far out of the stoek.

Mr. LrEBELER. Would you say that was about 3 or 4 inches?

Mr. Woon. Yes.

Mr. LrEnELER. You say that the barrel was sawed off?

Mr. Woon. You could tell it was shorter than most military rilles, and every

time be shot, a spit of fire would come out and I could feel the heat when he

shot every time.

1\ r. LrEBELER. What kind of a rille do you have, Sterling?

Mr. Woon. Winchester 3{}-30.

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Mr. ?oon. No, sir; I wouldn't haYe any idea. t is a shorter rifle than most

of them, which is 3{}-30.

Mr. LrEBELER. Do you know how long a yardstick is? Can you YiHualize that

in your mind?

Mr. Woon. Yes.Mr. LIEnELER. Is your rifle longer or shorter than a yardstick?

Mr. 'Voon. t is about, I would say it was shorter than a yardstick, yes.1\Ir. LIERELER. What about the rifle that this fellow bad, was i t longer or

shorter?

Mr. Woon. Longer than a yard stick, because i t i s a Winchester is a small

gun to start off with, nnd a military rifle is a vretty long rifle.1\Ir. LIEBELER. This one, eYen though the barrel ·waH sawed-off, you tllink it

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1\:lr.Woon. He left with a man in a newer model car.

Mr. LrEBELER. Did you see the model?

Mr. WooD. No, I didn't. They went into the parking lot. They went around

and beard the car door slam and they took o:I, but it was a newer model.

Mr. LrEBELER. What kind of car?

Mr. Woon. t was a Ford, if remember.

Mr. LIEBELER. About what year would you say?

:Mr. "" oon. I don't remember. I just knew t was a newer model car.1\Ir. LIEBELER. '\1\:ras it a convertible or station wagon?111r "'ooD. t was a hardtop.

Mr. LIEBELER. A l'ardtop?1 · ~ 1 _ r oov. l.es.

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man or j u s t1\fr. "'OOD. About the same size this man was.

1\Ir. I _ _ ~ I E H E L E R Ho,y tall would you say this man was?

1tir. ""'oon. Oh about 5'9 .

Mr. LrEBELER. About 5'9"?

Mr. Woon. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. Now the FBI talked to you about this once before or a couple

of times, didn't they?Ith. I, UOlJ. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did the FBI ask you now bow this fellow left the range?

:IIr. 'YooD. What do you mean by that?

l\Ir. LIEBELER. Did he ask you, did he go and get in a car or did he leave

with somebody else?

l\Ir. Woon. Yes, EirMr. Lmnr:LER. Do you remember them asking you this?

Mr. "'oon. Yes.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. Do you remember what you told him?

Mr. Woon. Yes.

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1\Ir. \Yoon. I told him they l('ft in a newPr morlPl car. He had to go around

through the main offiee because that was 30 yards down and he had to come

around and he left in a newpr modPl car with this man, and he wasn't driving.'Mr. LIEBELER. That the man who you saw firing was not driving?Mr. 'Yoon. Yes, sir.

l\Ir. LIEnELER. Did you tell the FBI what kind of rnr i t was?

l\Ir. "'oon. I think I told him, I am pretty sure it was a Ford. That is what

I remember, because I like Fords and I remember what a I< ord looks like.l\Ir. LIEBELER. id you tell the FBI that this fellow who you saw slwoting

this rifle left with another man?

1\:lr. 1Yoon. Yes, sir.

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)Ir. WooD. I said that was not the one. t didn't have this background in it.

It 's a picture that he showed me.Mr. LIEBELER. This is not the same picture the FBI showed you?

Mr. WooD. No sir.1\Ir. LIEBELER. Well now the FBI did show you a picture of a rifle?

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Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell them that that was the rifle that the man you

think is Oswald had, or was not the rifle?

lll r. WooD. I told them that was not the rifle.

Mr. J,IEBELER. You told them that was not the rifle?

Mr. WooD. Yes.]\:lr. LIEBELER. The rifle in this picture, is this the same rifle? Can you tell,

or a different rifle that was in the picture that the FBI showed you?

:Mr. \Voon. You mean to say 1 don t know what you said.

Mr. LIEBELER. The FBI agent showed you a picture of a rifle?

:Mr. "roon. Yes, sir.Mr. LIEBELER. Is the rifle that he showed you the picture that he showed you

the picture of the same rifle as is in the picture we have here on the desk, or

were they different rifles or cari you tell?

Mr. WooD. I think they were the same rifles except the rifle that he showed

me didn't have that scope. I told them that that wasn't the scope.

Mr. LIEBELER. That is what you told me just now?

1\Ir. \Yooo. Yes; so it would be a different rifle.l\Ir. LIEBELER. 1\Iy question is this. Note that I am not asking you now whether

this rifle is the same as the one that the fellow at the rifle range had, or whether

or not tilC rifle that the FBI slwvced you or the picture that the FBI showedyou was a picture of the same rifle that Oswald had on the rifle range-- just

want to know now whether you can tell me whether the picture that I am show·

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l\Ir. \)' ouD. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you still say now that the scope on this rifle doesn't ·look

like the scope the guy at the rifle range had?

Mr. WooD. Yes.l\Ir. LIEBELER. But this is the same scope as in the picture that the FBI

shmved you?

Mr. WooD. Yes sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did the FBI ask you about the sling mount on the rifle?

Mr. WooD. I think they did.Mr. LIEBELER. What did you tell them about that?

IIIr. WooD. I think I told them i t was mounted on the underneath, I am not

too sure. I wasn't too positive then when I told them that.

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Mr. Woon. I am not sure now because I didn't have that long of glance.Mr. LIEBELER. ow did the FBI agent talk to you? Did he try to .convince

you that it wasn't the same rifle or just show the picture and let you tell?

l\Ir. WooD. Let me tell.:Mr. LIEnELER. He didn t try to convince you one way or the other?

l\ r. Woon. No, Rir; he didn t try to forc>e me one way or the other.

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1\Ir. " 1oon. Yes, sir.lllr. LIEBELER. Do you know Kenney Longley?

l\Ir. 'oou. Yes sir.

l\Ir. LrEBELER. Was he out there that day?

l\Ir. Woou. Yes sir.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. Did he see this guy?

l\Ir. Woou. don't know if he suw him or not.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. Did you talk to him about it?

l\Ir. Woou. Yes sir; think did, because was standing, he was waiting In

a booth to shoot. They all were filled up and he stood back there and was

noticing it, too. He noticed the fire coming out of the gun.1\Ir. LIEBELER. Well now, have yon talked to Kenney Longley about this fel-

low t the rifle range since the assassination?

:Mr \Voon. I haven't seen him.l\Ir. LIEBELER. Was there anybody _(>l>;e.out. there at the range that day that

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Mr. LIEBELER. And he didn't see thrs guy as far as you know?

llir. 'ooo. don't know if he saw him. don't think so. Maybe he did.

:Mr J,'J 'PELFR. H n n ~ you tnlked to McDowell nhout t since the assassination?A.o.L -h OUD. J..t:· b.

llir. LIEBELER. Did you ask McDowell whether he saw this fellow?

1\Ir. Voon. No, sir; but I am pretty sure, because he was right next to him,

and he was down under t11e booth gathering shells.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. You said that yon have talked to McDowell about this guy

t tile rifle range?

l\Ir. Woon. Y< .s.

l\Ir. LrEnELER. What did you talk to him about?

l\Ir. Woon. talked to him about, told bim that very same night talked

to my daddy, and called him on the phone and told him that saw that man

out tht'n·, aHd we talkt:d ahont tltt' l ' r e ~ i d p n t ' s <lt•ath, and that was all. He

said he remembered him, too think.

l\Ir. LIEBELER. Did you tell him that you thought that the fellow at the rifle

range was Oswald?

1\ Ir \\roon. Yes, sir.

l\lr. LIEBELER. What did he say?

1t1r '\Vooo. He didn't know, and he wasn't too sure, but he wasn t as close as

was to him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Where does this fellow live?

l\Ir. \Vooo. McDowell?

~ I r . LIEHELEH. Yes.

Mr. 'oon. Marsalis, the first street over from where do. don't know the

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Mr. WOOD. All right.

TESTIMONY OF THERESA WOOD

The testimony of Theresa Wood was taken at 4 p.m., on April 1 1964, in the

office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets,

Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Lie Jeler, assistant counsel of the President's

Commission.

1\:lr. LIEBELER. Would you rise and raise your right hand, please. Do you

swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the wholetruth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mrs. WooD. I do.Mr. LIEBELER. Please sit down. 1\Iy name is Wesley J. Liebeler. J am a stall'

attorney on the President's Commission investigating the assassination of

President Kennedy. Mr. Rankin wrote a letter to your husband and your son

last week, telling them that he wanted to question them. I have just concluded

questioning both of them. I would Jike to ask you a couple of questions about

some points that came up during their statements.

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you state your full name, for the record, please?

Mrs. WooD. My married name?Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; your married name.

Mrs. WooD. Theresa Wood.Mr. LrEBELER. You are the wife of Dr. Homer Wood, are you not?

Mrs. WooD. Yes, sir.

Mr. LrEBELER. And the mother of Sterling Charles Wood?


Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall that sometime after the assassination of the

President, your husband saw a picture of Oswald either in the newspaper or on

television and said something to you about it? Do you remember that?

Mrs. WooD. Yes.Mr. LrEBELER. Tell me what happened, and the circumstances and what you

sa"·?

Mrs. Woon. He thought he was the same man they saw out at the gun range.

In fact, he was sure of it. And he asked Sterling, and Sterling said, "Yes, daddy,

t is the same man." And the:y were very, very sure of t at the time.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, was Sterling in the room? Did your husband first see

Oswald's picture on the television or in the newspapers; do you remember?

1\Irs. Wooo. I don't remember exactly. I think t was the newspapers or

somewhere. They had three pictures of him. I think it '"as in the newspapers.Could have been on tele.ision.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, was Sterling there at the time your husband first spoke

of this to you?1\Irs. \Vooo. No, I don't think so. I think he later nskNI Stf'rling.

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Mr. LIEBELER. Thank you very much.

Mr. WooD. All right.

TESTIMONY OF THERESA WOOD

The testimony of Theresa Wood was taken at 4 p.m., on April 1 1964, in the

office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and nay Streets

Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the P r ' s i d e n t ' ~Conunission.

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swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the wholetruth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mrs. WooD. I do.Mr. LIEDELER. Please sit down. My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. J am a staff

attorney on the President's Commission investigating the assassination of

President Kennedy. Mr. Rankin wrote a letter to your husband and your son

last week, telling them that be wanted to qt estion them. I have just concluded

questioning both of them. I would .like to as < you a couple of questions about

some points that came up during their statements.

Mr. I,IEBELER. Would you state your full name, for the record, please?

l\frs. 'Voon. l\:1y married name?:Mr. LIEBELER. Yes ; your married name.

Mrs. WooD. Theresa Wood.Mr. LIEBELER. You are the wife of Dr. Homer Wood, are you not?


Mr. LIEBELER. And the mother of St 'r ing Charles Wood?


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President, your husband saw a picture of Oswald either in the newspaper or on

television and said something to you about it? Do you rem 'mber that?

ll1rs. WooD. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. Tell me what happened, and the circumstances and what you

saw?

Mrs. Woon. He thought he was the same man they saw out at the gun range.

In fact, he was sure of it. And he ashd StPrling, and Sterling said, "Yes, daddy,

it is the same man." And they were very, very sure of t at the time.

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Oswald's picture on the television or in the newspapers; do you remember?

l\Irs. V \ ~ o o n I don't remember exactlr. I think t was the newspapers or

somewhere. They had three pictures of him. I think i t was in the uewspapers.

Could have been on teleYision.~ I r . LrEnELEH. Now, wa' Sterling then• at the time your husband first spoke

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Air. LIEBELER. What w s th.a t friend·'s name?

Mrs. WooD. t was Kenny Longley.

l\Ir. LIEBELER You didn't talk to Longley, did you?

Mrs. Wooo. No.Mr. LIEBELER Your husband did?

Mrs. WooD. I think my husband called, but he never did talk to the boy. Theboy was In school.

Mr. LIEBELER Do you know if he ever talked to the boy about i t afterward?

Mrs. WooD. I don't think so. Kenney Longley though was a good ways off or

something, and I don't know whether he really saw him. According to my bus·

band, he said he could have.

Mr. LIEBELER Do you know of anybody else that was out t the rifle range

that your husband or your son knew who might have seen this fellow?

Mrs. WooD. No.Mr. LIEBELER That is about all I wanted to ask you. Thank you very much

for your cooperation.

TESTIMONY OF GLENN EMMETT SMITH

The testimony of Glenn Emmett Smith was taken t 9:10 a.m., on April 1,1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay

Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. LiPhPler, assistant counsel of the

President's Commission.

Mr. LIEBELE:R My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I am a member of the legal

st ff of the Presidenfs Commission to investigate the assassin3.tion of President

John F. Kennedy.

have been authorized to take your testimony by the Commission pursuant to

authority granted to i t by Executive Order 11130, dated November 29, 1963, and

joint resolution of Congress No. 137.

I understand that Mr. Rankin wrote to you sometime last week advising you

that would be in touch with you to take your testimony. I understand also

th t he included with hb letter a copy of the Executive order and resolution

just referred to, together with a copy of the rules of procedure for the taking

of testimony which have be£>n adopted by the Commission in conformance with

the Executive order and joint resolution descrilwd above.

Did you receive the letter from Mr. Rankin?

Mr. SMITH. I did.

Mr. LIEBELER. Those documents were enclosed with it, were they not? Three

different documents in that letter?

1\Ir. SMITH. [Hands paper to attorney.] I'd better let you look, for I don't

know what is in there.

:Mr. LIEDELER. Yes; they are. The general nature of the Commission's inquiryis to aseertaint evaluate and report upon the fnPtR relating to the assassination

of President Kennedy and the subsequent killing of Lpe Harvey Oswald. We

want to inquire of you today'concerning any knowledge you may have about

the alleged sale of a rifle by an individual thought to hl' Lee Harvey Oswald to

one Robert Taylor. We would also like to get from you any information that

you have about Oswald's asRociates in Irving, Tex.

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UN I T ·.t, J REPROOUCED AT HE A T I ~ A . : ~ ~ . c ~ ~ ; s . _ . 0 F USTICE

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FEDERAL BUR AU OF INVESTIGATION

Dallas , Texas

September 15, 1964

ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT

JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY,November 22, 1963,Dal las , Texas

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By i e t t e r dated S e p t e m b e r ~ 4 , the P r e s i p e n t sCommission adv,sed t ha t Mr. G a r l a n ~ a c ~ 3130 de e e ~ ~ ~ ~ e tDal las , Texas, ~ a d t e s t i f i e d before the Pre s ide n t s Commissiont h a t on November 17, 1963, he was present a t the Sports Drome

Ri f l e Range in Dallas , where he observed a man whom he thoughtto be Lee Harvey Oswald. He t e s t i f i e d t ha t while there hebecame involved in an a l t e rca t i on with t h i s person because t he

man was f i r i ng a t h i s t a rge t . Slack a l so t e s t i f i e d he observed

a tall boy , wearing a beard, accompanying the man he thoughtto be Oswald and t ha t the two o f them l e f t together in an o ld

model four-door sedan. Mr . Slack t e s t i f i e d tha t h i s wifeLuci l l e was present wi th him on the occasion on the f i r i n g

range . The Pre s ide n t s Commission reques ted tha t Luci l l e Slack

be in te rv iewed for a l l in format ion she has in regard to the above

Inc iden t a t the f i r i ng range. t should be noted t ha t the bearded

man has been i de n t i f i e d as Michael Bentley Murph, whose in te rv iew

i s r e f l ec t ed on Pages 116 and 117 o f the repor t of Spec ia l Agent1

Robert P. Gemberling, dated Apr i l 15 , 1964, a t Dal las , Texas.

I t should be noted in the in te rv iew o f Mr. Garland G.

Slack on December 1 , 1963, which i s recorded in the r epor t o fSpec ia l Agent Robert P. Gemberling a t Dallas , da ted December 10,1963, pages 236-238, t ha t Mr . Slack furnished informat ion to t he

e f fec t t ha t he bad seen a man· be l ieved to be ident ica l with

Oswald a t t he Sports Drome Rif l e Range on November 10, 1963,and be l ieved t ha t he was accompanied by another man descr ibed

as t a l l , having a l o t o f dark hai r , dark complexion, and a f u l lbeard .

• , \ r ~There are at tached the r e su l t s o f in te rv iews wi th \J

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File No.

UNITt I STATES DEPARTMENT OF • USTICE

FEDEUAL BUUEAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dal las , TexasSeptember 15, 1964

ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENTJOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY

November 22, 1963,

Dal las , Texas

By l e t t e r dated September 1, 1964, the Pre s ide n t s

Commission advised tha t Mr. Garland Slack , 3130 de Lee St ree t ,Dal las , Texas, had t e s t i f i e d before the Pre s idenT s Commissiont ha t on November 17, 1963, he was present a t the Spor ts Drome

Rif l e Range in Dallas , where he observed a man whom he thoughtto be Lee Harvey Oswald. He t e s t i f i e d t ha t while the re he

became involved in an a l t e r c a t ion with t h i s person because theman was f i r i n g a t h i s t a rge t . Slack a l so t e s t i f i e d he observed

a t a l l boy , wearing a beard, accompanying t he man he thoughtto be Oswald and t ha t the two o f them l e f t toge ther in an o ld

model four-door sedan. Mr. Slack t e s t i f i e d tha t h i s wifeLu c i l l e was present with him on the occas ion on the f i r i ngrange. The P re s i d e n t s Commission reques ted t ha t Luci l l e Slack

be in te rv iewed for a l l in fo rmat ion she has in regard to the aboveinc iden t a t the f i r i ng range. t should be noted t ha t the bearded

man has been i de n t i f i e d as Michael Bentley Murph, whose in te rv iewi s r e f l e c t e d on Pages 116 and 117 of the repor t of Specia l AgentRobert P. Gemberl ing, dated Apri l 15, 1964, a t Dallas , Texas.

t should be noted in the in te rv iew o f Mr. Garland G.Slack on December l , 1963, which i s recorded in the r epor t o f

Spec ia l Agent Robert P. Gemberling a t Dal las , da ted December 10,1963, pages 236-238, tha t Mr. Slack furnished in format ion to the

e f f e c t tha t he had seen a man bel ieved to be ident ica l with

Oswald a t the Spor t s Drome R i f l e Range on November 10, 1963,and be l ieved tha t he was accompanied by another man descr ibed

as t a l l , having a l o t o f dark ha i r , dark complexion, and a fu l l

beard.

There are a t t ached the r e s u l t s o f i n t e rv i ews with

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_;; t:_ J ) . t : ~ : i l~ G A R L A N D . G . (1._UCILLE)X SLACK, 4130· J>eLee S t r e e t ~advised tha t on November 17, 1963, she went w.\.th her husbandto the Sports Drome Rif le Range. She s ta ted she was certai .nof the date , November 17, 1963, as her daughter, son-in-law,and grandson had vis i ted them on November 9, 10, and 11, 1963,and her son-in-law and grandson had accompanied Mr. SLACK tothe Sports Drome Rif le Range on November 9 and 10, 1963,whereas her son-in-law and grandson did not accompany them

the following Sunday, November 17, 1963. She s ta ted theyarr ived a t the r i f l e range about noon, and af te r Mr. SLACKhad purchased his t i cke t and had ta lked to some people, shecar r ied a 30.06 r i f l e from t he i r car through the building toMr. SLACK, who was in the far west shooting s t a l l , believedto be No. 9. She s ta ted she remained with him unt i l dark.Mrs. SLACK s ta ted that she did not see LEE HARVEY OSWALD or

anyone who resembled him a t the Sports Drome Rif le Range.She claimed she did not reca l l Mr. SLACK being involved in

any al terca t ion; however, she did remember someone f i r ingon his ta rge t on two di f fe ren t occasions, and he to ld Mr.DAVIS, owner, Sports Drome Rif le Range, about th i s and receivednew t a rge ts . Mrs. SLACK advised she reca l led seeing a greatbig man with a beard, who was wearing ear muffs, a red plaidsh i r t , and green pants. She s ta ted he was shooting big gunsand was shooting from s t a l l No. 4 or 5. She s ta ted she did notsee anyone with th i s person and bel ieved tha t he was alone a tthe r i f l e range.

Mrs. SLACK advised on the night of November 22, 1963,Mr. SLACK, a f t e r seeing LEE HARVEY OSWALD's picture on t e l e vis ion, mentioned to her he bel ieved he had seen OSWALD before .

Mrs. SLACK s ta ted that Mr. SLACK f i r s t thought that OSWALD wasa t ruck driver for the Dal las City Water Works. She explainedt ha t she and Mr. SLACK owned the Urbandale Water Works, buthad turned th i s business over to the Dal las City Water Workson July 1, 1963, and for about eight weeks subsequent there to ,

a number of the Dallas City Water Works t rucks were in and outof the i r place. She s ta ted that following Thanksgiving dinneron November 28, 1963, Mr. SLACK to ld her he believed he hadseen l.EE HARVEY OSWALD a t the Sports Drome Rif le Range, Shes ta ted they drove to the r i f l e range and ta lked with Mr. andMrs. FL()l(D DAVIS, She s ta ted they did not w:ant to t a lk abc;ut

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LEE HARVEY OSWALD being seen a t the r i f l e range saying tha t

i t might hurt the i r business. She s ta ted they did mention t ha t

a dent i s t and his son had been a t the r i f l e range and had claimed

OSWALD was there the day they had been there.

In an effor t to resolve discrepancies in informationfurnished by Mr. SLACK concerning th i s incident Mrs. SLACKcontacted Mr. SLACK during the interview. According to Mrs.SLACK Mr. SLACK maintained that OSWALD was a t the r i f l e rangeon November 17 1963 and that he had been brought there by aman named FRAZIER from Irving Texas. Mrs. SLACK stated shefe l t her husband was confused as to the date when he observed

the individual he believed to be OSWALD a t the range but hewas s incere in the statement he had previously made to Agentsof the FBI and during his testimony before the President s

Commission.

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Dear Mr. Hoover:

The Commission \Wuld appreciate your conducting the following additional investigation for us: '

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l. _ Q f 1 r l a n d S_lf1ckJ 3130 de Lee Street, Dallas, Texas, mh2.s tes t i f ied before the Corr:nission that on November 17, 1963, he -p

·..ro.s present a t the Sports 0rome Rifle Range in Dallas where he ~observed a mtLI1 whom ;-,c tnoueht to be _ ke_H l-.:t:Ye;) :...0S}ial.d.. He testified.l_.t l n t wOile there .hr: - ~ c c n r , · : c involved in an a l t e r ca t ion with t h i s man <D

because this person ·,;as firii1G a t 1is target . Slack also said that

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thought to be Oswald, and tl:at the two of them lef t together in anolder model 4-door sedan. .r. Slack tes t i f ied that his wife,

Lucille, was present with hlm on th l s occas ion a t the f i r ing range.

Please i n t c r ; i c w ~ u c i l l e Slack and obtain from her a l l

information which she """" in rec;ard to the above incident a t thef i r ing range. Among otcoer questions, you should be sure to askMrs. 3lack to describe the person who became involved in the argument

with her husband, whether she believes that the man was Lee Harvey

Oswald, and whether she believes that the bearded person a t the

f i r ing range was a companion of the man her husband believes to have

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Mr. LrEBELER. Which one is that?

Mr. Woon. That man right here.

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Mr. LIEBELER. This one right here?

Mr. Woon. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. Here is another picture just the same one as the one I showed

you.

lifr. Wooo. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. The man that you pointed out aR being tbe individual that yousaw at the rifle range has a green mark over his head. There are two different

marks. I t looks like an X, but i t is two marks as opposed to one mark over

here.

Mr. Woon. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you say that is the man you saw at the rifle range?

Mr. Wooo. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. I want to show you ·a picture that has been marked Pizzo

Exhibit 453-C, and ask you if that looks like the fellow you saw at the riflerange?

Mr. Woon. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you seen that picture before?

:Mr. Woou. No, sir.Mr. LIEBELER. One like it?

Mr. Woon. No, sir; not unless it's been in the paper. I think there has been

one like that in the paper.

Mr. LrEBELER. Did the FBI show you a picture of Oswald?

Mr. Woon. They showed me a picture with his gun in his backyard.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you recognized that picture as being the man you saw at

the rifle range?Mr. Woon. Yes, sir.

:Mr. LIERELER. I show you two pictures that have been previously marked as

Exhibits 3 ana 4, on the deposition of lllr. Greener. Tell me whether that is the

rifle the man had?

Mr. Woon. I t does look like the rifle, bnt the scope looks a little funny to me.Mr. LIEBELER. What looks funny about the scope?:Mr. \\Toon. Because I seem to remember when I got a glance, i t seemed to get

bigger at the end and get smaller as i t went along.:Mr. l . IEBELER. ?auld you say that is not the scope that was on the rifle?

Mr. WooD. I am not too sure, but I would say that looks like a foreign madescope.

Mr. LIEBELER. The one in this picture does?}.Ir. \ \ ~ o o n . Yes, sir.

l\Ir. LrEBELER. You are pretty sure in your own mind that the S C O J l ~ that was

on the rifle at the range was not an American scope, is that correct?

l\Ir. Woou. Yes; i t looked Japanese.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Sterling, you noticed how the sling is mounted on this rifle?

Mr. \Voon. Yes, sir.

Mr. I ~ r E n E L E R I t is mounted on the side on the butt, is i t not? And on the

side of the rifle, also?1\Ir. '\\ 'ooD. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEUELER. Is that the way the sling was o the rifle that you saw at the

rifle range?

1\Ir. \Voon. I am not too sure. I t wn either mounted underneath or on the

side. I am not sure.

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453 A-B

Photographs showing Lee Harvey Oswald and others distributing

Fair Pla.r for C uba Committee litE rnture in Xew Orleans, La.

453-C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Photograph of Lee Han·ey Oswald taken :'-lo,·eml>er 22, 1963, atthe Dallas City Police Station.

Potts, Walter E.

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Beckley StrPet nn ~ t l \ ( ' l l l h € ' r :: :: . 1D6.1.

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Potts eonc:erning- the eYPnts u n d i n ~ thE.> a s ~ a s ination .

Copy of the thi rd p a ~ e of the statement described a.s Potts

Exhibit ~ o . B.

Powell, Nancy M1 . .

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Copy of an FBI report uf an intcrYiew with .Xttnc.r :\1. Powell,

dated December 1, 1963.

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3 . 14&-149Copy of an FBI report of an interview with ~ a n c y M. Powell,

dated November 2:5, 1963.

Price. Charles J.

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:::lt::nemenrs of P:uki.antl Ilospilal pet·sonnel concerning the treat-ment of President Kennedy and Governor Connlly on November

22, 1963.

Pryor, Roy A.

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December 10, 1963.

Pullman , Edward J.

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Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever see him talk to this big fellow other than talk to

him about this telescope on this time you have told us about?

Mr. PRICE. Well, not that I particular remember.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you form any impression as to whether they were togetheror not?

Mr. PRICE. No.

1\Ir. Ln:BELER. You couldn't tell one way or the other?

Mr. PRICE. No; I didn't pay any attention to it. There wa s - I just thought of

i t - there was n doctor and his son U1ere at the same time and they were firiuga .308 calibPr WinrhPEter, I believ(>--it was eHhpr a \ \ ' i n f ' h e ~ t e r or n Remington

and anyhow, they had identical guns and they were sharpening up for, I beliere

they said they were going to Canada and they WPre t l ~ t • r e at the same time. '

Mr. LIEBELER. This was the Sunday, the last time you saw him?Mr. PRICE. Yes.

'Mr. I . . ~ r E n E L E R . Do you know their names-do you know what their namPs are?

Mr. PRICE. No; I don ' t - I don't know their names- have heard it but 1

don't remember it.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. Would you remember it if I mentioned i t to you?

Mr. PRICE. Well, I might.

Mr. LIEBELER. Is the doc-tor's name -Dr. Wood?

Mr. l 'RICE. That don't sound likE' i t - there was a doctor there and his son-1

know they were father and son.Mr. Ln:nELER. About how old was the son?

1\Ir. PRICE. He was in his early twenties, I believe.

Mr. LIERELER. And did th<•y talk to this fellow about the telescope?

l l r . PRICE. I don't rempruher whether they ha(l any conversation witb. him or

not.Mr. I,IEnELER. What makes you mention that?

Mr. PRICE. It 's just the fact that th<'Y werf' there a t the same time and I

know they were talking to Garland Slack and 11a're is a possibility tlwt tlu•y

either observed or talked to Oswald, beeau -'e he \VUs ~ i t t i n g next to Slack.

:Mr. LrEBELER. You have nothing else that you want to add 1 don't think of

a n ~ · more questions. I want to thank you for "'<·oming down aud eoo}wratiiJJ..:

with us to the extrnt that you bavt• aud i t has IJPPn c o H ~ i d t > r a h l P <·oo}wratiou lJ[··

causP you got very short notice and you eamP vPry Parly this morning, awl """appreciate this and \Ve want you to know thnt the C<nnmission apprPdate -; tlds

very IUuch. Thank you.

~ I r . PniCE. ""ell, I tr·y to help all I ean. I don't rpmpmher datPs too wrl l

it 's been quite some time. I can rememlK'r f a ( t ~ but I ean't rrmemlJer n H I I H ' ~and date-s worth a hoot.

1\lr. LIEBELI:..'R. 'Vdl, we sure amJrednte your coming dmvn.

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~ r . LIEBELER. What was the date?

Mr. SLACK. Now that was the 10th.

Mr. LIEBELER. You went back to the rifle range the immediately following

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Sunday, Is that right?

~ I r . SLACK. That is right, the 10th. Oswald was there the 10th. He was

there the 17th. The lOth was the turkey shoot. And I contacted him three or

- ~ n • 1 rtinw-: trYhH to gr-t him to pay o dollar and get in the turkey shoot. ,•r( n

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but h<' didn't have the dollar.

:'\r•·. J T · -:TEf· Tb.i<:: v· •· · - ~ 1 • ( ' ]Oth. ' i ~ n f ~ t r ~ ~ h t ?.Mr. :SLACK. l iut hau I.v U i l e t ~ t CUlllf<.C\. ltU l l , , l ' ( _ ~ thau UEk. (i lJilll lite U.1e ltJ

other fellows I talked to. That was my impression of him.

The next. the 17th. is where he and I had the run In, wllere he shot mv

target. I paid two bits and put up a target, and before I got ready to shoot it

there would Le somebody shoot a bole in i t. .So Lucille, my wife, she was With

me. She was kef'ping score. We got to noticing who it was, and maybe he woull1

shoot anybody's target, and I raised the devil. I didn't ·see why I have to paymy two bits and pay for a new target sheet and I'm shooting No. 9, and the

rifle range operator came and told him not to shoot my target after that, and

that is how I remember the part in his hair and the look on his face.

And I told him, I said, "You are not going to win no turkey shooting rapid

fire."

He shot rapid fire about three or four times, and they had a cap full of shells

and they were s h o o t i n ~ I mean he was burning up the ammunition. And I

lalkL·C. aLuut tllat g-c.·lEg b ~ : - - : t to Snug Harbor, because somebody is going to get

hurt, because everybody shooting everyboJy's target.

And there was a bunch of ruffians s h o o t i n ~ pistols, and there was lots ofpeople. And I remember when I told him that, he give me a look that I never

would forgPt it. That i ': thP only r e R ~ o n I remember him when they shOW<'d

him on television. t made me sick and I tried to figure out. t took me a day

to figure out where I had seen him.

I said, Lucille, we own the waterworks and we know a lot of men and do alot of things. 'Ye have a fish hatchery and we contacted mayUe five or six

people we don't know every day, and I didn't sleep a t night for 3 nights until

I pinned down where we saw him..Aud I went to the rifle range and these four or flye other people knew he had

bet'n there, hut tlwy were afraid to say anything about it.

But when I asked the manager, I . said, "Oswald was over here," and be

said, "Yes, I know he was.H And they wpre afraid i t would hurt the-ir husiHP:-::-:.

And I told Charlie Brown and Doc Carter wh<>re I saw the fellow, and I think

t was; everyone doubts if they knew anything at all on him, so they met uw

over tllere and between the three, they admitted sure.

::\Jr. LIEBELER. \Vho is tllis Charlie Brown that you referred to?

l\Ir. SLACK. He is the FBI man. He and Doc Carter, they came out two dif-

ferent times and I talked to them.

J\Ir. LIEBELER. Carter is also an FRI agent?

l\Jr. ~ L A ( ' K . Om:. was Secret ServicP and one was the FBI.

J\Jr. LrEBELEn. You mrntimwd thrre were otlwr people out at the raugl' who

sa\Y Oswald. Do you rernpmber their names?~ I r . SLACK. ~ o , s i r ; beeau:-;e I was not taking t lwir nnmes. nut I do kno\Y

that they got the hoy that worked on his rifle scove on Wednesday. That w u . ~in tlw middle of tli • week, between the lOth and the 17th. They got his drposJ

nected which

See what I m

I f<·lt like

my mouth sh

of tllat done.

the hoy, and ,

Illy ~ 0 1 1 - i D - ] i \ \ 'L1c,; i1 u :utlt

toi<l Vernon b

already lwU. m

remember any

:'\Ir. LIEHELE

rifle at any ti r

~ 1 r . SLACK. I \Ir . LIEnF.LE

Mr. SLACK.

the boys, to se '

other targets I

chair 7, and tb

shoot No. 7.

l\Ir. LIEBELE

l\Ir. SLACK. 1

l\1 r. LIEHELE

l\Ir. SLACK. I

) lr . LIEBELER

~ I r . SLACK. J

a pieture of the

In other wm

rifle, that was

ne,·er to;een that

.Mr. LIEBF.LER

~ r . SLACK. 1

f i fty tlwusaudtl

th windage ga

scope. But i t

l\1 r. LIEBELER

rifle? t had b·

Mr. SLACK. Jthat have those

I know that the,

In othPr wor1

Larrel off 8 incJ

this off here, UIJt was one thai

two other guns t

l\Ir. LIERELER.

l\Ir. SLACJ.:::. T

of any kid I ev1

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l\Ir. SLAcK. i\To; there were so many different fellows working on the rifle



wing

was

ee or

~ r e nurkey

he 10

t my

oot it

wit1J

wouldo pay

d the

t, and

shells

An< I

to get

ots ofnever

a day

d do a

or sixs until

he ha<i

tnd hr

: - : i l l f ~ ~ .r think

uet llle

.0 dif-

who

l o w ~

rangP, thrre was possibly three or four boys who did it and I never really con

nected which one i t would be, because I wasn't doing any investigating anyway.

See what I mean?

I felt like that knowing the guy and connecting it together, if I just kept

my mouth shut and tried to just remember seeing the fellow, there was a Jot

of that done. I t was done in our own family.

In other words, Vernon Stone was with me and Jimho, he is 12 years old,

the boy, and when it dawned on me where I saw him and I knew that I had

my son-in-law t.ake my gnn, my custom-made gun out of Oswald's, take i t out of

his hand and put i t in the car, because I was afraid he would steal it, and I

told Vernon by long distance on tile telephone, and Vernon did too, and well, he

already had made up in hi:-; mind that l1e never had st•f n that fellow. He didn't

renwml.Jer a n ~ v t h i n g , and Jimbo doesn't either. He didn't want to remember.

Mr. LtEBELER. What is the incident about the rifle? Did Oswald have your

rifte at any time?

lllr. SLACK. He handled my rille and he bandied my targ-ets, that was the 17th.

lllr. LIEBF.I.ER. Did you say anything to Oswald other t h a n - -

l\Ir. SLACK. The only t ime- r didn't specifically say to Oswald. I said to all

thP boys. to ~ · Y e n or PiC"ht ~ h o n t P r . < o : , ah0nt t h ~ t r : ; ~ . i r ~ ~ : - ' : . : > : t w' ::h1 sbuoting

other targets rutht•r than the one they bought and paid for. If they were In

chair 7, and there was a number down a 100 yards, No. 7, he was supposed to

shoot N"o. 7.l\Ir. LtEBELER. Other than that, you didn't say anything to him?

l\Ir. SLACK. That is all I said.Mr. LrEnELER. Did you have a chance to see tile rille that he had?

1\Ir. SLACK. I absolutely saw the rille.

lllr. LJEBELER. What kind of rille was i t?

1\lr. SLACK. t was an Italian type rille, but i t never showed in the newspapers,

a picture of that rifle.In other words, if the fin;t picture that came out of the officer holding the

rille, that was on the floor of the Book Depository. if that was the gun, I had

never seen that gun before, anrl I know rifles and I know ~ c o p e s .l\ lr LrEBELER. 'Vhat was the difference between it and the rifle you saw?

:\lr. SLACK. The one he had was a small three-quarters, alJout ~ e v e n hundredfifty tlwusandtbs diameter tube, a small tube no bigger than your thumb, with

the windage gage. They were practicing. t was a cheap scope. Well, :i.66

scope. nut i t was sr10rterized. You cut the wood off of them. Short Uarrel.

l\lr. Ln:nELER. In other words, this rifle that Oswald had was a SJJOrterized

rille? t had been rebuilt?

~ I r . SLACK. Just as advertised. I ha,·e seen bel iides the Oswald, I have friends

that have those rifles. I wouldn't shoot a toad frog i th one of them, bE < ause

I know that they are just junk.

In other words, you take that rifle as it was manufactured, and you cut the

IJarrel off R inch,;, and you take all the wood off the top of the barrel and cutthis off bere, and vnrnish it, and have i t blued, and it m a k · ~ a pretty little gun.

t was one that be had wrapped up and handed nwr the fence, but they bad

two other gnm; that type. They had no SC'Opes on tberu .. \fr. LIEllELim. ' a s thPre somebody else?

Mr. Sr.AcK. That Sunday there ' 're was. The tall boy had the biggest feet

t Jey ju t threw those old guns in that ear, or they took two of tl>Pm. Of

course, one was wrapped np in a blanket, a dirty looking old grey blankr t

that had a red trim, I remember. I remember that, bemuse we found an old

wll ,t I

lad:; w

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blanket at our house and I told Lucille I was trying to think, I knew It was

somf'thing common, this good gun, it was: wrapped up and tied up.

The sporterized Italian gun was tied up and he handed it oYer the fenc"':Uicely. And he had a grey and red maroon, looked slick as satin, and I re

nwmber i t well, w Jat a gun case--you see eYerything at a shooting place

some bring a rifle in a tote sack 3.nd-for a gun case.

The other thing I remember about that blanket he bad wrapped around

his goun, it was tied up with a rag string that was torn about an inch and ahalf wide out of a filling station type wipe cloth, a ribbon, pink, and he had

torn i t up n d ~ t o use as a rag string.

1\Ir. LrEnELER. Do you rememl>er what kind of car these fellows drove?

_Mr. SLACK. No; I couldn't remember it, and Lucille couldn't except it was

au older model car.

Mr. LIEBELEI<. Wasi t

a sedan?Mr. SLACK. A four-door sedan, and i t was a dark color, and be left there

like a crazy buncb of hoodlums. And Lucille would remember that because

she made a remark to me. You know how Joys take off and make the dust,

fly.Well we h d ~ i n other words, without having some re.ason, you wouldn't

notice what kind of c-ar i t was.~ M r LIEBELER. I wnnt to show you a picture of a rifle. Two pictures that

have previously been marked as Exhibits 3 and 4 on the deposition of 1\ r.Greener, and ask you if that looks like the rifle they had at the rifle range?

Mr. SLACK. I don't remember a earrying strap on it, this rifle here. Ofcourse, thnt ~ o n w t h i l l g yon use to carry the gun, if you take it. That could

be it that is right. with the sling off. When I saw the gun tile sling was not on

it.

I don't think i t had the wood up aboYe the barrel, because when it is sporter

ized, as I rememlH:•-r, the \vhole barrel is painted blue.

.Mr. LIEBELER. So there was uot as mueh wood· to the front of the rifle

on the one you saw at the range, is that right?

~ I r SLACK. That's right.

Mr. LIEBELEH. "That about the f C Opc? 'Vas i t the Fmme kind of scope?

Mr. SLACK. I can say no. Pieturt:s do som('thing to you hut that sCOIJe spemslike i t is a l-ind1, that SL'ope, according to t11e size of the gun nnd proportiOitS

of sizes. This is the sump gun u p ~ i d e down, tlle other side.

Mr. LIEBELER. \Ye11, you are pretty elear this isn't the rifle because of the

wood that protrudes?

~ I r SLACK. This rifle had the Lnrrel eut orr I know this rifle right ben•.

This is proportionatelr, 1\lr. Lie l le le r - -

1\Ir. Ln:nELER. Pardon?

11\Ir. SLACK. No; the sight is, the open sight is out on it since i t has beC u

ut off.

1\lr. LICBELLR. The one that. you saw at the rifl(' range bad Leen rut otT,is that correct?

Mr. SLAcK. t had been cut off, nnd I will swear it had heen reblued, and it

did not haYe the front rump sight of that rifle..Mr. I ~ I E I : l E L E R So tllat t11e ritle you saw a t the rifle range is not the snwc

rifle as the picture I haYe just sllown you, is that right?

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pad to :

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like hiu

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like bin

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the fen

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glasses

the nw1

years f1

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as I sa

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l Pm. Of what I m ~ a n But I really notice things about rifles like a jewelry man or a



blnnket

d an uld

W i t WflR

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nd I re

p lace

around

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t i t WfiS

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wouldn't

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of 1\lr.

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the rifle

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I, and it

lady would about the :-;.etting of a ring. I wouldn't know-bu t I kuow rifles.

1\Ir. UEBELER. But this was t h ~ same g-eneral type of rifle as the one you saw

t w t had been sporterized and had the wood cut off?

l\Ir. SLACK. This is a magazine. You recognize one of them a mile off.

l\lr. LIEBELER. Let me show ;rou some pictures of a man or some men thathave been vreviously mnrkpd Commission Exhibits 451 and 4G3 through 45G. I

want to ask you if this looks like either one of the men that you saw a t the rifle

range on the 17th of Noyember?

llfr. SLACK. The jaeket was the first thing I remembered. When t h ~ y de

~ c r . i . l ~ u ~ tLL j<H:ket ir1 ti1e IWIH r L ~ f o r e I even looked a t the fellow, berause the

man p u l l ~ d a jacket off and put it on top of a load of sand you used i t for apad to shoot f r om

Mr. LrEnELER. Is that the uy you saw? D o ~ s anyone in those pictures look

like }Jim?

l \ lr . SLACK. Those h ~ a v y ~ y e b r o w s and that part in the hair, but apparently

h ~ had more hair. l\Iaybe he got a haircut afterwards.

l\fr. LIEBELER. Who had more hair, the fellow?

l\Ir. SLACK. The picture. The man I saw in this picture right here.

2\Ir. LIEBELER. The mau you saw had more hair?

Mr. SLACK. Yes; he sure did.

J\Ir. LIEBELER. Do you think that any of these pictures are a picture of the

man that you saw at the rifle range that day?

~ I r . SLACK. The difference in position he was n and eYerything, that looked

like him, but he wa:=.:n t thnt sleepy-eyed. He was a cocky guy.

Mr. LrEnELER. Referring to Exhibit 453?

~ I r . Sr.AcK. When he looked at me. J don't see how in the world he could

ever get a pleasant look on his face like this picture here. Probably he could,

ut

· " - - ~ - ,___ ;_i. •• :...· _ __. L ..• 1 ~ . u . . ~ . , _ ~ _ _ c j ) l ( LUre 4LOlou.ti:B a little more pleasant than

the fellow you remember seeing at the rifle range, is that right?

:\Ir. SLACK. He sure does.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you another picture, Mr. Slack, that has been

preYiousiy marked as Pizzo's 4f.i3-C, and ask you if that looks like the fellow

you saw at the rifle range?~ l r . SLACK. That is him. I would know that baby face and that chin, and

be had a I remerulJer peopir, but no names.

1\Ir. LIEBELER. What about the hair?

1\Ir. SLACK. Tbat is the man I saw at the rifle range

~ I r . LIEBELER. You arc sure about that?

1\Ir. SLACK. I know i t is. In other words, just like if I saw you tomorrow.

Because his eyes were deep like a man that was, that wears highly magnified

glasses and then doesn't haYe his glasses on. And he had that decp-t lwt is

thE' man we saw out there. That is the man. And I would remember him 20

years from now, just oYer that one incident.~ f r . J·TF.I'O.:I.Fl:. H: \ f : o ~ l pf>(•r t11'lf g n ~ · · : · : P L ' ' . ~ ~ ( ' in t11t v ~ p ~ r ?1.1r. SLACK. But hP dou't llUY(• a good-he didn't have a Yf'ry good likeness of

him, like the paper pictures. Tlwt was him as I saw l1im at tlw rifl.P rangC>, anda.s I saw Lim 1 second before. 1\' o, one-kuth of a second before he was shot.

Tho t is the time.

1\fr. SLAcK. The fifth fellow from the left, because I saw the side of his face

quite a bit at the rifle range. He has rather a long nose and long chin and ahigh forehead. In other words, that was the thing about the lllan that I would

they fooled

f:how i t, bu

up r ~ _ big fro



remember.

~ : J r . LIEBELER. Here is another picture. It is the same picture that I just

showed yon except that it has a green line over the fellow that you have indi

cated, doest

not?1\Ir. SLAcK. Well, it is like this picture. Those are the front, no, he doesn't

Lave a part. He didn't have that hair. I would remember his hair. And he

had the hair that grew down his neck, all the way down into his jacket.

: :;:. L r : ~ : - r : L L R . lou ~ : 1 y this fellow hrre ill LhlJ picture, t h ~ flfth fPllow from

the left is not the person?

1\Ir. SLACK That is the fellow. As I relllember, this is the fellow that Isunder the green mark ut seemed like he had more hair. You see, I shot in one

chair. I looked at the side of that fellow quite a bit.

Mr. LIEBELER You think the fellow you saw at the rifle range had more hair

than the fellow with the green mark?1\Ir. SLACK Yes; of course, the wind blew and he was bareheaded. I guess he

had a haircut in this picture here. l ie had quite a bit. of hair on his ba<·k and

on his neck like me. I need a haircut. .But I remember, because on the tele

vision the hair was alRo down on his nPCk. En n more so than he shows in the

picture there. Probably taken at different times and under different conditions.

Just like this picture here, he is a pleasant looking fellow.

~ I r . LIEBELER. This fellow looks more plPasant than the guy you saw?

1\Ir. SLACK. Yes; of course, at times, a fellO\v can be sorry on the world nnd

Rtill there would be a little fun comP into him sometime. And he had big ears.

His ears stood out, what I mean.1\:Ir LIEBELER. The picture that you are looking at is 453-B, Pizzo's exhibit,

that we have been referring to. I don't think I have any more questions, l\Ir.S.lnck. I wnnt. to thnnk you very I l Urh f o r coming in and COOJ)( 'rating with us

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very much.

Mr. SLACK We had already forgotten everything about it, and we figured t

was, well, t was just some unpleasant memory, and t couldn't have shocked me.

Now this newspaper, Gruber, was a press, a ".,.ashington pressman, was he some

of your bunch?

Mr. LIEDELER What was his name?l\Ir, Sr.AcK. Gruber.

ll r. LIEBELER What about him?

Mr. SLACK He is the fellow that eame to see me about 3 weeks ago. He

callPd me three or four times and gin• tnP a lot of trouble, and I give him to

understand that I didn't want to talk with him, because the newspaper had, I

thought, made too big a show out of it.

And they usPd my name and used my address. They didn't put my picturr,

with the assassination, or the picture, but I expected t any time to come out,

but I have a good friend with the Times Herald, Mr. Albert Jackson, nnd Icalled Albert and I told him not to send his men because I was not talking to

the newspaper. 1\Iy phone 'vas tapp('d and thry came out the next day and

eYPrything that I told All1ert, the newf;paperman, and I told him that, Lecanse

I didn't want it to get in the paper. He never put it in their paper. 1\Iy own

friend never got anything, but the news, they got it all.

Mr. LIEDELEI< Whnt made you think your telephone was tapped?

~ I r . LIEBE

~ I r . SLAC

big hurry

minutes to

Mr. LIEBE

mission.

The testi

the office

Streets, D'President 's

1\Ir. LIEHDo you sol

truth, the

Dr. Woor

~ l r . Lu;n

me-mbrr of

assassinati'

I haYe bto authorit

l f t ( i ~ ~ . and j

wrote to Y<

Dr. \ ~ , ' cMr. Ln:n

ordPr to wl

Congres.-; n

the Cornmi.

Dr. Woo

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Dallas, T<>

that partie

Dr. 'Yoo

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Dr. Woo

Mr. LIER

Dr. Woo

and 4 yearMr. LI Er

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Dr.

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f his face

·hin and u

they fooled around and made about a 3-minute conversation and they never did

show it, but t never was shown anyplace. Just newshounds. And they put

up a big front that i t was the ~ a r r e n Commission.

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at I just

have indi·

he doesn't

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now from

W that is

h o t in ou{·

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I guess be

haf·k and

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ws in the

ouditions.

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big ears.

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tions, 1\fr.

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1reciate i t

figured i t

o< ked me.

s he some

ago. l ie

1·e him to

1rr had, I

y picturP,

l'Ome out,

·m, and I·alking to

day and} ) p ( · a u ~ e

1\l;r OWJI

1\Ir. LrEnELER. Who were they?

11\Ir. SLACK. The television guys from Fort ~ o r t h , and they were in such a

big hurry to leave, they ju"t took my picture and took off. They had 15

minutes to get to Fort Worth, and I never heard any more of i t at all.

1\Ir. LrEBELER. I don't think they had anything to do with the Warren Com

mission.

TESTIMONY OF DR. HOMER WOOD

The tcr.;timony of Dr. Homer 'Yood was taken at 3 p.m., on April 1, 1904, in

theoffice

of theU.S.

attorney,301

PostOffice

Building, Ilryan and Ervay

Streets, Dallas, 'l'ex., by Mr. 'Vesley J. Lielleler, assistant counsel of the

President's Commission.

Mr. J,rEnEI.ER. Dr. Wood, would you please rise and raise your right hand.

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the

t ruth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Dr. WooD. I do.1\Ir. J1IEBELER. Please be seated. 1\Iy name is 7csley J. Liebeler. I am a

m ~ m h f r of the lPgal staff of the_ Presidf'Bt's Commission investigating the

assassination of President Kennedy.I hnYe been authorized to take your testimony by the Commission pursuant

to authority granted to it by Executive Order No 11130, dated November 29,19G3, and joint resolution of Conr' ress Xo. 137. I understand that l\Ir. Rankin

wrote to you last week. Did you get a letter from him?

Dr. Woon. We each had an airmail letter from Washington, yes.

::',Jr. L I E ~ > L L L I ; . I lWlkr:-,;al d tlmi ~ l r . HaHkin iul'lmlPd a eopy o the Bxe<:·utiveorder to which I have first referred as well as a copy of the joint rPsolution of

C o n g r e ~ s and the rules of pro(·edure relating to the taking of· testimony by

the Commission, is thn t cOITPC't?

I r , 1'l0i.m. Tlwt is eorreL·L.1\Ir. J,IEnELER. e "·ant to question you about the possibility that Lee Harvey

Oswald was at the Sports Drome Rifle Range at 8 ' e s t Davis Street in

Dallas, l ~ P x . , some-1itne during Xon•mhpr H H _ i : ~ - l n • f o r e going into the dPtail.-; of

t l : i t l t : trtkuiar inddPnt, p l P a ~ t ~ M1ate your full lltllllP for the record.

Dr. 'Voon. Homer 'Yood.

l\Ir. LrEBELER. You are a dentist, is that correct?

Dr. ' on. That is correct.

:Mr. L n ~ n E L E R . .,.ould you state briefly for us your educational background.

Dr. 'YooD. Well, I had 2 years of predental at Ronthern Methodist University

and 4 years at Baylor Uni\·ersity College of Dentistry, Dallas, Tex.

l\Ir. J rEnELER. Are you a native Texan?

Dr. ~ o o n . I am a natiYe Texan, yes.

:uL L l L J > L L r . ~ . Born l H ~ H ~ in Vallab?

Dr. 'Voon. Born in B e ~ s e 1\fay, Tex. I t is a dead town DO\Y.

V.>·

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In the interview report prepared by Specia l Agents Carter and

Brown on December 2, 1963, covering the i r interview with Mrs. Davis '

husband, Floyd Guy Davis, i t is s ta ted that l·lr. Davis "furnished a l i s t

of members who have regis tered to s 1oot a t the range"; I do not bel ieve

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tha t the Commission is in receipt of th i s membership l i s t .

From the several statements obtained from the Davises, · t. is

not clear precise ly what records were maintained a t the r i f le r.cn, ,c durinc;

1963. Hence, we request tha t 'ou have them c l a r i f y exactly what records

t ':cy did maintain during October through Novctr<oer, 1963, which ililY wayr::>fl_•.",' t the nanes of persons preGcnt rtt the i r r i f le range during tl-:ose

·· )::t:.3 . . . . n : : t hr:t you attempt. ·:ct. for the CoEIDliSGion a copy of ~ J l such

".· ·-., · > : i 1 J . ~ i : ou lave c:ot : ~ i ' t ; -. J:..:;l: ·J:;trt::_nccl. In add i t ion , plc::.:..>e

"·"; r..nt ~ ~ L ; o to a·utal.n :1 c.n: ,· - ~ · .. :• ",Journal' or11dai ly record,

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. - : : -'j·s. Davis rcfcrrc_t _ _\)-;: :,:;c ;rtont,hs of ;3eptember, October and

· ~ , ) V C ' : · ~ : , - - - r 1)63. The C o n l i l ~ : ; .. ~ o ~ · 1 l ~ 3 pa r t i cu l a r l y interested in any entries

::1 ::rs. Davis ' journal wi1ic11 s e l l.c'l:f have made on September 28,O,ctoi;cr 13, November 10, 13, Hi, and 17, 1963, and a few days on ei ther

c:C.C' of these dates.

I f your Bureau prcv.lo·.1sly has obtained any membership l i s t s

or other s imilar records from the D8.vises, we would appreciate receivingc, copy of them, so tha t we wil l ;,J.ve a complete se t of everything which

;,as been obtainedn

regards to the r i f le range.

Your continuing cooperation with the Commission i s great ly

apprecia ted.

Sincerely,

:'-- . . (__) / •. ~ / ~J . Lee Rankin

General Counsel

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To: SAC, Dallas (100-10461)

From: Director, FBI (105-82555)

LEE HARVEY OSWALD, AKA,IS - R - CUBAA'ITE n'ION: CRii\UNAL SE<n'ION

9/ l /64

1 W C. Sull ivan

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(R. E. Lenihan) I

Mr. Raupach ' \

C : ~ Enclosed i s a copy of a self-explanatory l e t t e r from

the Pres ident s Commission dated August 2$, 19G4. Immediatelyc o n t a c t ~ e - n - a v r ' S e s ' i > u r s u i i r i t to the Commission •s request .

'Results of your invest igat ion aro to bo incorporated

in to a le t terhead mm::ora.ndura sui table for dissemination to thePresident •s Cootliscion by tho Dul.·cau. I t wil l not be necessaryto incorporate tho resul ts of your invest igat ion into asubsequent report .

As you have boc>1 previously advised, the Pres ident sCommission i s attemptinG to conclude i t s invest igat ion and,therefore , th i s request i s to bo handled expedit iously.

Enclosure

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NOTE: The Commi reques ed Mrs. Davis and her husband,

Floyd Guy Davis, operator of the Sports Drome RifleRange to be reinterviewed to c la r i fy what records they maintainedat the r i f l e range on October through November, 1963, which wouldre f l ec t the names of individuals present a t the r ~ g e duringthose months. rtA previous interview with Mrs. Davis .indica:t;ed shecommented that no writ ten regis te rs were kept when Oswald was

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Ilea..., 2, 196.3



L, C, ORAVES1

We talked to Floyd Davia, owner or the ~ r t r o m e Gun Ranee, a t about

10100 P I ~ tonight, He l os in the Sun Set Trailllr Park a t 2825 li Way B7 ay

ie South t 2600 Block Fort Worth Avenue. r, Davie and his vita eay that they

conldn 1 t say that they had seen Oewald a t the gun range. They eaid that they

opened the range on October 161 196.3, and haw been there ever;y dey except o r

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three days, A Mr. Harold Price, who l ives on Rice Street in Orand Prairie,

vorka t r Mr. Davis a t tho range. Price told Dana that Oevald had been out

to the range on November 9th and loth, ae vall as Sunday, November/ 17th •.

'Price al11o toltl ' "avis that ho had helped him eet hi cope. Price eaye that

Oew,.l« voul« n't ta lk to anynne a t tl-e ran@'e md that he would lttoot hie r i n a

three or tour ti:rres real s s t , wait a l i t t l e while, and fire three or our

~ 111ore raat hots. Price said t ~ t Oswald had not carried hil r i t la into tl-e

ranr,e throu.-h the r-ate, t rat 110re"no handed t over the renee to hila at ter

he p.ot inside, The r t n e was wrapped in aomething and t ied with atr ing,

Davis doesn't know anytl:ing at-out the_person vt.o was supposed to haw handed

him the f ll•

Price thinks that a wt.i te lllllle, who looked l ike a foreigner 250 to ]JO

pounds with a "Beatnik" beard waa with Oevald when he was at the ran(la.

A Man nr.ed }•r. Slack, who works t r the Water Department in the Urban

dale Suh Station i s a l ~ < o supposed to have seen Oswald at the range on the

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Continued - L. C. Graves - P3ge 2

S t e r l i ~ Cha "loa \1ood vee inte:nrieved at. Bo da St.oZ7 r Mi.:h llohool.

Owner of the range haa not been contacted a t thia tilllll. He v not a t

the range todq.

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'nl1a dat.e, December 2, 96 1 I ven11 to 220 Van lOth llt.ree11 e d iat.arrleved

Dr. Homer Wood. He stated that on N o ~ J I I b e r 16, 1963, be took hi l IOD1 St.erllnC

C h ~ ~ r l a s Vord1

W/Jl), to 1he s.;,anc- G e -.nc-. ecco Vert p nU to u r o 1.a

ltia rU'le. Sterl nr, vas UrlJmed the hth booth mdi o ~

att.cr he got. 1.Dt.. 11

llaatllr l lc S111r t ')aql4 walk up uuf .n ta - boatl l fli 1nG Oswald half f i red a

rounda, Sterling noticed that hie r l t le va l spit.t.ing a long atre8111 of f i re trca

the end of the hrrel.::.atid that pro pted Sterling to ulc 011Vald 11bat teind of

n n e and score he vas using. Osvald told Sterling he vu uaing a 6 . S

Ital ian aalre carl>ine with a h power acopt. No other convwrution transpired.

~ t e r l l n g and rr. Wood observed that Osvald t ired appraxiNtely 8 to 10 rounda

and that each time he vaa careful in ejecting the bulla, that they ware caught.

111 hU hand and port 1ntG Ids packet.. Oswrld <:hec:kad bi.s t a r p ~ n laast. -

tno.,1:htnl ~ t i e

l l l l l(e b,yl'l i l l l..u.t. B. w u drlT1Jic•

l l fe m - , ~

S ~ n c aoet not :remev.bar vt.at IIIBb or ccJ.ar it vas. wnen SterJ 1nr lind Dr.

liood checked Starl ing 's ta rget a le looked at. Oaval.d' a t r p t and bo'tb

oonc:urred that he did aa fOOd shooting aince a l l the ro'llllda fired aoer t

cme h i t t i l l l ball • e] le . Dr. Wood u 4 .St«rl'nr are . ' t .Nt 0- . ld ._11S1nc

the a l l n ~ when firin(f hie n n e .

nr. Homer Wood a hame address 11 1 3 ~ 6 .Uaall:a md hi a h011M1 phone WH 1-rus ,

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Mr. BALL. And testify as to these facts?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. I am a staff officer with the Commission.

Mr. BooA.RD. Yes, sir.

~ I r . BALL. And I m authorized by the Commission to administer the oath to



you and ask you these questions, and all questions you answered were underoath. You unders tand that?

Mr. BooAno. Yes, sir; I answered the same questions under a polygraph te:rt.Mr. BALL. Under a polygraph test from the FBI?

Mr. BOOARD. Yes, sir.

BALL. ~ o w this will be written up and su bmitted to you tor your signa.ture. and you can come down here and look it OYer and rend it and sign it, oryou may wain> your i ~ n u ture-wb:tten' r wisb. \Yhit:h uo you prefer?

~ f r . BOGARD. Which uo you want? Pu t it that way.

BALL. I 'm going to leaYe it up to you. That is really ';Omething for you

to uecide whether you want to t•orue back 1own here or not.~ I r . BOG.lRD. I don ·t mind coming back rtown.

BALL. We 'll notify you and you ca n come in anu we will notify you whenit is ready and you can come in and s ign it.

Mr. BOOARD. Thank you.

Mr. BALL. Thank you for coming down.

Mr. BooARo. Thank you, Mr. Ball.

l lr. BALL. All right.

7 /L1 / t r a ~ 5 ~ 1 c t ? 1 1 ~t TESTDIOl'iY OF FLOYD Gt"Y DX nS

ThP testimony of Floyd Guy Davis was taken at 9:30a.m., on April 1, 1964. tnthe otfice of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan anu .Ervay Streets,Dallas, Tex., by Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President'•

Commission.

:\Ir. LIEilELEn. :\Ir. DaYis. would yon ple:1se ri sP and r:li ';e yo nr right band.

Do you solemnly swea r tha t the testimony you are about ro gi\·e is Lhe truth, thewhole truth and nothing but the truth. so help you God?

~ I r . DAVIS. I do.Mr. L EBELER. Please sit down. l\Ir. Davis, my name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I

am a member of the leg-al «taft' of the P r i d e n t ' Commi ':sion int"Pstfgating tbeassassination of President Kennedy. I haYe been autlwrized hy the Commission

tota

ketestimony

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from other witnesses pur

suant to authorit

ygranted to the Comm ission l ly Executi,·e Order 11130. dated ='foYPmlJer 2.9, 1063,

and joint resolution of Congre ·s :'\o. 1:37.I unuerstand that .\Ir. Rankin wrote to you. ~ I r . Dads. last week and indl·

ca te l i - in point ,r fact. the letter was returneu to Washin;. ton and it was on

Floyd Guy Davis.

What is your address?

2824 Byway

. How old are you, sir?

Thirty-two.



Where were you born?

In Louisville, Ky.When did you move to Dallas?

t was approximatel y 8 years ago.

Did you move here from Louisville?

Yes. Yon h:tYe liYed a ll your life i l l Loui sY ille and Dallas. is that

I C nrr ('C't in nnderstan<lln that <urin.tr the period Octo berof l )H3. yon W<'l'f> t h. •)perator tlf the ~ l ) O r t s Dome Rifle Range

Davis ?That is D-r-o-m-t>. I t is Rports Drome.

En. I was pron ounci ng i t Dome.

I thought yo u were.

Are you s till operatin .tr that rifle range?

Yes. we are.

n. Wh en did you C'ommence operating it?

The e:-.act date. I don't lun·e. s ir. I t was about the first of October

Wt> :l re infornwd rbat t he FBI ha s imernewf'd you and ral;:en

in " h f- ll : l S P ' ; ?Yes, s ir.

For analysis in the FBI laboratory?

Yes .Could you tell us briefly the C'irrumstances that leu up to that.

know." " 11. rlw only thin tha t I know that happPnPd. thpre wns .::omP

it t h:rt rh<:'Y h:ul seen nswaltl nut :ll llw n ~ ; < •lll t hrcot> ditft•r t> nt

lie,·e thal 1t was nn the Dtll. the ll l llt . .tutl , Ill' 17th ll ' ,.,,.,,nllli•r.

rmed the FBI tha t w was ou t tllere. T ht> rwo I am .;;un • t hat ··on-

~ l r ~ a l < : o l m Pri<·P or H1,war<l Pri('t' and Gal'l::llltl H k . .m d rhe

out and talked to us.~ f a l c o l m Price?

at is :\Ialco lm H oward Price. is hi s full name.

D id yo u know his name yo urself?

es : he worked with me.

time. 11r. Slack come to me and was complaining abvu t someone shoou01 ltta rget.

So t he r e rras two young f e l l o w ~ . I ran remerubt>r the approximate height otthem bu t I don't remember what their f a c e ~ looked like, that were in b o o t ~

~ o . 8. I do remember the person that was in booth ~ o 7, though, becauae1

don't know whether you ha .e talked to :\lr. Charlie llrown in the last 2 weeq



or not on thi

:Mr. LIEDELEn. Mr. Brown, the FBI a ~ e n t yes.

Mr. DAns. The re was a fe llow with a black beard in that booth No. 7 ttbe same tim e. I remember him because he was outstanding, you know, nd 1went to these fe llows in booth ~ B and was gi\·ing them beck about shootingth e wrong ta rg-t't. Aud o ther f('llow, I r emember him be<>ause he wouldn't

say anything- ro mt'. I t rie<l to ~ r w : to him two or I hrl.'e different occaslon....b N : t n ~ e he hat :t lnt of gnn :-:. :mtl I h t n t ~ l l t he wnultl lw :1 eus tomer.

~ l r . LIEDELER. The fellow witll tile beard'

:\lr. D.\VIB. Yes.:\lr. LIEBELER. Ile wa s hnw tall. approximately ?

:\lr. D.l.ns. He was o \·er I) feet antl lle wei;.{hetl a ::ood ~ 3 0 pounds. bl;bruiser.

11r. LIEDELEn. I think we can assume that was not Lt•e Han·ey Oswald.:\lr. DAvis. They were trying to find him. Charlie Brown was trying to

find this person, and week s a::o on a Sunday morning I saw him in an automobile out on Dads, I believe it rras.

~ l r . LrEDELEn. The big fe llow with the beard?

:\lr. D.\ns. The hig fellow t lwre with the beard. . lnd I ~ o t the c ~ c ;l l U l l l i . H ~ l •J ll the l' :tr .wd rlll' YPl· •t ~ l r .t Y:t::; llld ·:tlll•d r .nto l) ffice .

I ha\t>ll't heard anythin:: from Brown s iuee lllen. wlletlle r he got the

informatiou, bu t l am sure he tliu wueu I turuetl it iutu t lle ,Jffice.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now let's review this . Mr. Slack was in booth No. 9, is th t

cor rect?

Mr. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. This big fellow was in booth No. 7?

:\Ir. DAns . Right. Anrl thE'r(> w a ~ the two yo ung fellowR in booth No. 8.

One of tlwm wns .) t'oot 6 or :i foot 7. somewh er > in t iltH , ·icinitr. and the other

one \Tas about I) root, and he was bla.d;:lleauetl.

I can remember t hat, but as fa r as remembering their faces, with that turkey

shoot we hatl ~ people that day , I can' t rE.>member what they looked like.

Mr. LIEBELER. You say that these two fellows, one was approximately 6 t t

tall or over. is that correct?

::\fr. Davis. Yes .

~ l r . LIEBELER. Was heavy- et or s lender?

:\lr. D .\ \"18. ~ o he wasn t parri<:nlarly lleuYy-sN, he was just a medium

build .:\lr. LlEDELEn. l ie was not ot' :t light mild , ht)\YI'YPr'

::\lr. D.\ns. ~ o lie was n 't. H e was ju:-:t about mr s ize. I would say 160 to170 poun ds.

::\l r . LIEDELER. How tall Ul'€' yo n '

, si r .\n d ~ f r Pr ice was a l ~ n · :Jt're the ~ a r n e dny ?

said he was.

He also indicated tha t be t hinks one o those two gentlemen



You yourself hu<l an 'JPP<Jrtnnity to o b ~ l r n both of these

ou not?s ; I sure did.

I want to s h ow you ~ o m e p i c t u r e ~ whi<'h han?· been previously

nruission Exhibits ~ o s . - :il. -t:i3. -l:J-t. - :i:l, antl 4.16, and nsk you

:e from these pictures the pirtures of the inlll\"irlunls who were

1th Xo a t ynnr ra tu: e m SnntJny. Xnn•mlwr 17. 11>6.1?

Je u r e l u n l ; : ~ familia r. hut - , ro ultln ' t ..;ay fnr -.nre. I t :;ure looks

wnultl han• ht't>ll the ·.1 .1

r-r of tht> two. :111cl rhi s is a lmos t - -. Yo n pointed to <'omn ..... ..:ion Exhibit - :11. and you think that

mhl<' 'l the taller nf the n ~ " ' IICll that wt•re tirin;.: from hooth Xo. 8?

·l 'S: hE> is about thl' : l : . )F- ..; izc. The f:H'l' ft>iltnrC's. I seem to

1 bE>fore. hur as fur a::;- t sun• o k ~ likl' him. I couldn't say

twas him. but it sure lcok:-: a lot like him .

Do yon ::;ee any r r ~ e m b a n < ' e bt'tween any of the pictures which

d the shor te r of the two men?face on the other nne. I couldn't : : a ~ ~ what it looked like.

pictures of Lee IIa rTey Oswa ld hu .e h<'t'll h o w n to me, and

b o w i n ~ me tbin s ahonr rbP timt> it all happt>n ed. and I would

t it wns him. But d£-dnitely thi s f('llo w. t hl' ta ll e r of t he two

ill• : . . . . ·• .i:,l' 11l' ·: :: 11Jn11r n:- ..;iz ' Ht• rna>

~ r in rbose picrures.

\Vbat about the facial . t : ~ t l u r e : : . ,,( rill' .. l'lll ll'lll :lll o n -l:ll?

I say. t he features of his fa ce are familiar, they seem to be

..:aying that w ~ the p en::on ou t

You couldn t do that?

o. ::-ir: but it dot>:-; look :amilin r . ~ i r .

1 -.Jww , ~ n u nPxt ·1 'lh• · n ~ r a p h h a r ha:- pn•,·wu:-;ly wen markeuB. whil-h is a photouuph on' :wn•ra1 llldl\ idua b. l l l l ' .r' ' hom

by a g reen marker. I usk you if that picture bl.'urs any

either of the two lllt'n you saw tlrin;.: from hooth ~ r ) . 8. nt



He might be a dentist. They told us at the ranr;-e--Chnrlie Brown.

rds, of the FBI. said that he wasn t sure it was him. but they

usly they were sure that it was Oswald.



n. Has the FBI e ·er advised yon as to the results of the tests they

on or did nm on the a r t r i d ~ e cases you gave them?No: nothing. I asked them i f they were all there when t h ~ y. He did return them. and be said they were all t h e r ~ . so I took

t that they didn t find anything in the case.

ELER. Do you know whether the cases that rou gave the FBI were

w ~ r f > nsE'd in a ri that ''' >ee nsed by these gen tlenwo rha were

r hooth ~ o . on ~ \ l l l b l : r 17. 196.3?ns. From what :\lr. Price tol1l me. he was down at the r.1n: .' h E l p i n ~e particular t a r ~ e t . HI:' saw these fellows pkk up all t i l l $1tt>ll a nd -

that <lay. which >Pry freqnPnt. b P c n u ~ e they reload \ Jot l>f that

on. bur t h ~ e pn rticnlar fpJlows did pick thl:'m up.n. Did your wife obSt>r•e rh<>se two indi•iclnals on the 17th?

.wrs. ~ o . sir; she was in the office. she doesn t remember them, or

before that she didn t remember them. She doesn t rl:'mt>mber this

was telling you about. about Slack coming to them and ~ o r u p l a i n i n gr h o o t i n ~ the wrong ta rget.ET.ER. Who else said they saw Oswald on the Dth and lOth?

AVIS Thnt was :\Ir. Price.

n:nr:r:::n. Th:1t -v:1s \lr. Pric•P?

DAns. Yes. :\lr. ?lack a 1 d he ~ n w him on rhe 17th.LIEnELER. The 17th only?

DAVIS. Yes, sir.

LTEDELtm. Can :von give me Mr. Slack s tull name?

AVIS. No sir; I don t have it.

IEBELER. He is just a customer of yours. is that correct?

AVIS. Yes. sir; Mr. Brown bas talked to him before.

rEnELER. :\l r. Price was not at the range nn tht• 17th?

D.\ \·rs. Price w a ~ :1t t he r a . n ' ~ o1 n thE 17th: a l ~ oLlEBELER. Did he also say that he thinks that these gentlemen 'n re wtth

wald?DAVIS. He thought thls one individual that was with this taller fellow

th No. 8. was Oswald.

LIEDELER. Both :\lr. Slack and :\lr. Price came to that conclusion. is that

Mr. LIEnELER. And you wouldn' t be able to identify that rifle t I ~ tyou a picture of it now?

Mr. DAvrs. No. sir: when you see as many rifles as I do out a t that ra

(1ut there, it would be bard unlPSS there was something outstanding a b o u t ~Mr. LrEDELER. There was nothing outstanding about that that you can r -

member now?



Mr. DAns. I was more or less marl when I W('nt down there . because 80tJle.

one was s hooting at the wrong target.Mr. [JEDELER. Did you obserYe these two gentlemen leaving the range

011the 17th?

:\lr. DAns. ~ o . s ir : I "ure rlldn't.

:\Ir. LIEnELr.&. Ha>e you harl l"xperience with the i ~ h t i n g in elf ri fies?

:\Ir. D.\VIS. Yes.

:\Ir. LIEDELEn . You are quite experit:'nced in thnt tielu. ns a matter t tact.

a re you not?

:\lr. DAns. W<•ll. T hnn ' t:m bt m ' \ " ~ e l f in thE> pa:-:t :) m o n t h ~ nf operation ot

that :{lln r : l t l ~ ( ' to ~ · b e r P f c:ln 11 -'U:lll y i d lll£> :n within ...; 0 l () shots prettydose. :\Ir. Pric·e is a gun cntl.lusia:-;r and be i:; reul ~ o o < l :tt it. and be has been

doing it for a long time.

:\Ir. L EnELER. f a man purcha sed a rifle from a mail-orcler h ouse that had

a telescopic s ight mounted on it. would you ha,·e any opinion as to what the

accuracy of that rifle would he without It having a ctually been sighted in by

acton l firing of the rifle?

Mr. DAVIS. f the Un was lnywta•rP nPar :HC' Ur ltP. it Wtlnld ba>e to be

, Ill . ll ''\.' dl' l l l. l t ~ : l i l t ' ' ti. fHl'"{ J •l l' :Ill ;:n II h: I .;( 'Pill• _ It ' , , UI UL Hlt Of 001-

<lnC(', and thE>rE' is no war thar ··onlcl 1 110 an d •' l rrr a ~ n around

a little bit and make sure it being accurate. That is why your deer hunters

practice and shoot their guns in every year before they go rleer bunting

. .nd [ haYe saw t hew wa ::.re ..llwost five boxes of shells u·ying get them ac

curate down there after having sighted them in the year before.

Mr. LIEBELER. Are you familiar with the technique of boresighting?

:\[r. D .\\'IS. Yt'S. i r .:\Ir. LIEDET.ER . Tt' a ri tlt> ~ i I H I > i i: < rh lt P ll 01 l1 h tn makP it :lC'I'ttrate?

:\lr. DAnS. By Llle a n intlil'iunaJ. no. .\.nd by the s hops around Dallas

here, no. Because they ha>e brought us several guns out there that have been

boresigbted in ,·n ri ons ·hop· around Dallas and we hun• had to resight them,because another thing, the scope will have to be adjusted to the individual eyes,

too.:\[r. LrEDELER • .nd that <':ln only be done n ~ h ftring n rifle ?:\[r. DAns . That is r i ~ h t . t hat <':ln only tlonl' f r om f i r i n ~ :t rillE' and sight

in it in. Ynn c·:tn f.>l it d o ~ t > . bm yo n •·o11l dn 't .:r t t r i ~ b t ,,n : \ l ~ l r . ••:-:tlecin lly

at a hundred yards.

En•ry m I i ~ h t in . r i l . d l l t lll'm m y a t a r c l t. lr;.:{ l ' t to gettlwm into t hP : ""1-yarcl r ~ N anti ntH ·t• I ;.rN it within an iudt ,,r r hP "h nllseye,"tlwn r ;. 0 to tlle n ~ r:IDI <'. which f'USY to b r i n ~ it in.

:\lr . l...JEnELER • .rt> ,\'0 \1 familiar with th<' Irvin p o r t S llu p in fr>ing. Tex. ?DAVIS. X o t b i n ~ ; only [ lla\'e <lroppE'd a I H l ~ t < · o ff. ac.l,·t•rtixing, wllen I

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h ome and the Randle home.

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~ r . LIEDEtEB. Do you think i t would be possible t practice with a high-

powered rifle around Love Field?

) r. DAVIS. t would be right about Bachman Lake. around the lake itself,

88 long as the pollee didn 't catch you. There is the river bottom right in

there.Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think i t would be possible to fire out there, to sight a



rille in without having a police notice it or someone in the neighborhood notice

Jt and calling i t to the police?Mr . DAVIS . .As long as you stayed 400 yards off the highway, there is places

down the re yo u could get that it would be possible.

) r. LIEDELEB. There are areas surrounding the field tha t are not built up

to -;u<:h an extent so that you could lll' ually practice with a rifie in that

arPa. is that co rrect?

DAns. Yes.)lr. LIEDELER. Ha•e you ever heard of anybody firing a rifle in that •icinity?

) lr. D.1ns. I hnv<' people all the time that have been practicing in the Trinity

R i n ~ r bottoms around Dallas come out to the range anu ha\ e been glad we

11pened t llut range .so r.her u l d quit it because it is not a safe practice.

~ \ I r . LIEoELER. Is that near Love Field?

:llr. DAVIS. Yes. The Trinity River bottom is not far f r om th er e. t is a c

tually between Irving and Love Field.

11r. LIEDELER. How far is it from Love Field itself if yo u wan ted to go tothe Trinity River bottom and didn't have an automobile? Could rou take abus to Love Field or near Lo>e Field and t hen walk that readily to the Trinity

· •r H 1t J m?) r. DAnS. Yes.

) fr. LIEnELEn. One co uld Jo that >er r easily?

Mr. DAVIS. t is a mile and a halt.

:\Ir. LIEBELER. I don't have any other nuestlons a t this point. I do want to

ask yo u if you can give me, Mr. Davis, Mr. ::Hack's address '

Mr. DAvis. I don't have it here, but I have some clippings a t home out t anewspaper that has it there. He lives on Urbandale. f you have a Dallaspnu ne book, I can pr obably get it out of the phone book.

lr. LrEnEL.En. What abont Pri ce?

:\Ir. DAVIS. ~ 1 r . Pnce lives on Rice :Street in <Jrancl Praine.

::\Ir. LIEBELER. f you can think of anything that you would like to add to

the record, I would appreciate it if you would indicate that.

Mr. DAVIS. The only thing that I would lika to say is that there were

se,·era l other pE. ople mentionert that they saw Oswald on the 17th. but they

said they didn t want to get in>olYed in it. I don ' t know whether they were

just talking or what i t was.

\Ir. Ln:uELER. Do you Juow •ll l•i r namt'S'?\Tr. D .\\'IS. ).Tor no pa r ticular pt>rsons. :\Iy wife. I 'm s nr < . t ::tn te ll rou some

1( ' hew. :Sill' murc ur less runs ,he .;un rau:;c t hr11111;h he WPt.•k. .tud I .1w ou ly

there through the weekend.) l r. LIEDELEn. Thank you \'e ry much for cowing in. ::\Ir. D n Y i ~ I appreciate

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