Externship Demographics

Across Two Decades

With Lessons for Future SurveysProfessor J.P. “Sandy” Ogilvy

&Sudeb Basu, Esq.

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Schools with ExternshipsABA-

accredited law schools

Schools respondi

ng to survey

Schools with

externship

program

Schools with for-

credit externshi

p2007-2009

200 190 190 190

2002-2003

186 112 108 N/A

1992-1993

176 68 N/A 58

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Student Involvement in

ExternshipsMin Max Averag

eMedian Mode

Numbers of students: 2007-2009 Survey (2011 ABA-LSAC)Full-time (7) (621) 119

(118)79 (104) 125 (33)

Part-time

(1) (637) 35 (28) 15 (16) 7 (8)

Estimated percentages:Full-time 20% 13% 21%Part-time

20% 9% 4%

CSALE - All students

11-20% 1-10%

CSALE voluntary participation over J.D. career: 26-30% (median)

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Max Externship Credits

CSALE Mode: 12; next most common: 6, 8, 10, 15 Max derived from ABA Standards: ~18

No other 305(a) activities Assumes minimum permitted total instruction time

Related metric (CSALE): Repeat(s) of same course Usual term of one semester 44% permit repeat(s) Majority of the 44% cap at one or two repeats

Range Average Median2(?) to 21 12 12

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Externship Course Credits

(616 courses 1426)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 150

50

100

150

200

250

300

350

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Low, Mid, and High Credit Externship

Courses (%)

1-3 4 1-6 5-6 7-150

10

20

30

40

50

60

70

80

90

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Mid CreditHigh Credit

Low& Mid Credit

Low Credit

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Remote Placements Yes / Maybe: 68% (358 of 528 courses)

Some “yes” responses qualified, e.g. 60 only in summer 6 emphasized ability to conduct site visit 27 limited to in-state, Tex-Mex border, etc.

Courses responding

“NO”

Other courses

responding

# schools

2007-2009

32% of 528 68% 63

2002-2003

75% of 270 25% 44

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Organization Types See ABA Standard 305 & Interpretation 305-3 80% (431 of 540 courses) with restriction

Most common is to “not-for-profit” organization CSALE: 88.6% of courses with restriction

Not-for-profit (38%) Government (33.5%) No private firms (21.8%) Judicial (19%)

2002-2003: 81% (231 of 269 courses) with restriction No restriction as to organization type

33 schools, cf. 15 (2002-2003) 20% of courses, cf. 14% (2002-2003)

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Subject Matter or Setting Restrictions

80% of course names, cf. 59% in 2002-2003 CSALE data (some overlap with

“organization type”): Judicial (11.4%) Public interest organization (7.9%) Government (7.4%) Criminal prosecution (6.9%) General litigation (5.8%) Criminal defense (5.3%)

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Hours of Fieldwork Required for One

Credit

1 2 3 40

20

40

60

80

100

120

140

160

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MAX

AVERAGE

MIN

MEDIAN

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Use of Classroom Component, vs. Total

Course Credits

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 150

50

100

150

200

250

300

350

#courses# with classGap (#)% with class

Total # of Courses

Percentage w/ classroom

Gap

# of courses with classroom component

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Classroom Component

vs. Course Credits

1-4 5-6 7-10 11-150

10

20

30

40

50

60

70

80

90

100

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See 2005 ABA Standard 305(e)(7) (“other means of guided reflection”)

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Number of SeparateClass Credit(s)

Awarded

1 2 3 4 5 60

10

20

30

40

50

60

70

80

90

100

665 courses total490 with a classroom component230 awarding separate classroom credits

Number of separate classroom credits awarded

“Substantive law classwith field component”

% Average&

Median

Mode

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Class Time (hrs/semester)

Average Median Mode0

5

10

15

20

25

30

35

92-93 (56 schools)02-03 (241 courses)07-09 (430 courses)

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Topical Use of Class Time Ranked

2007-2009

CSALE 2002-2003

Lawyering skills 1 4 3Substantive / procedural law

2 1 1

Student reflection 3 3 4Professional roles & responsibility

4 2 5

Other activities 5 1Legal process 6 6Legal institutions 7 6Career choices 8 81 = Most frequent use of class time

8 = Least frequent use of class time

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Classroom Teaching Methods by Time in

Use2007-2009 2002-2003

Lecture / discussion

1 1

Other Methods 2 2Student facilitation

3 4

Student presentations

4 3

Guest speakers 5 51 = Most frequently used teaching method5 = Least frequently used teaching method

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Instructional MaterialsRanked

2007-2009

2002-2003

1992-1993

Compiled materials

1 1

Other materials 2 5Published text 3 3 1

Both text & compiled materials

4 2

No materials 41 = Most frequently used instructional material5 = Least frequently used instructional material

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JournalingCredits Mean Median Mode Range

1-4 16 (9.49) 14 14 1-65 (1-50)

1-6 16 (10) 14 (12) 14 1-65 (1-50)

5-6 13 (11.5) 14 14 1-65 (1-16)

7-10 15 (11.8) 13 (14) 14 3-65 (5-14)

11-15 21 (13.7) 14 14 2-65 (3-35)

• 07-09 data (any differing 02-03 data)• About two-thirds of externship courses require journaling

(02-03, 07-09, and CSALE agree)

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Grading – Courses with Class

Component

Pass/Fail Letter/Number Pass/Fail Letter/Number Pass/fail Letter/numberFieldwork Classroom Both

0

50

100

150

200

250

300

350

400

450

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02-03: 240 courses07-09: 490 courses

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Externship Faculty Status

1 2 3 4 50%

10%

20%

30%

40%

50%

60%

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Tenure-track Adjunct

Long-termK Short-term

K Other

Tenured

N/A

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Administrative Support

1 2 30

10

20

30

40

50

60

70

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Secretary

Other

StaffCoordinator

Faculty

Admin

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Evaluation of Courses

Student Evals

Site Visits Other SE & SV SE & Other SV & Other All three0%

10%

20%

30%

40%

50%

60%

70%

80%

90%

100%

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Use of Site Visits vs. Course Credit(s)

1-3 1-4 5-6 7-10 11-150%

10%

20%

30%

40%

50%

60%

70%

80%

90%

100%

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