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May 2009

Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

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TGn Meeting Report - May 09 ‘09Date: 2009-May-09

Authors:

5488 Marvell Lane,Santa Clara, CA, 95054

Name Company Address Phone email Bruce Kraemer Marvell +1-321-427-

4098 bkraemer@ marvell .com

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Welcome to Montreal, QC, CAMay 11-15

FairmontThe Queen Elizabeth

Meeting Room = Duluth

One room – no parallel sessions

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Meeting Protocol

• Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot

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Attendance• https://murphy.events.ieee.org/imat/attendance/index

1. Register2. Indicate attendance

See document 11-09-0517r0 for more details

https://murphy.events.ieee.org/imat/attendance/index

https://murphy.events.ieee.org/imat/attendance/index

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Attendance, Voting & Document Status• Make sure your badges are correct

• If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising

• Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area– see Adrian Stephens – [email protected]

• Cell Phones Silent or Off

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Policies•Policies and Procedures:

• IEEE Patent Policy - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt• Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom.

• Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • Ethics - http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf • IEEE 802.11 Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/11/DocFiles/06/11-06-0812-03-0000-802-11-policies-and-proceedures.htm • IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures – •http://www.ieee802.org/PNP/2008-11/LMSC_OM_approved_081114.pdf

http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html

http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf

http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf

http://www.ieee802.org/11/DocFiles/06/11-06-0812-03-0000-802-11-policies-and-proceedures.htm

http://www.ieee802.org/11/DocFiles/06/11-06-0812-03-0000-802-11-policies-and-proceedures.htm

http://www.ieee802.org/PNP/2008-11/LMSC_OM_approved_081114.pdf

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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform

All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: – “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder

of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents

• “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims

– “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)

– The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group

Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2• Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged• No duty to perform a patent search

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Patent Related Links

All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.Patent Policy is stated in these sources:

IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylawshttp://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manualhttp://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3

Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html

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If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at [email protected] or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html

This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

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Call for Potentially Essential Patents

• If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: – Either speak up now or– Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of

any and all such claims as soon as possible or– Cause an LOA to be submitted

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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings• All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all

applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. – Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent

claims.

– Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.• Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical

approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.

– Technical considerations remain primary focus

– Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.

– Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.

– Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.---------------------------------------------------------------

See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

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TGn Minutes

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TGn Minutes of March ’09 11-09-0326r0

Executive Summary:Sponsor ballot Recirculation #1 completed with 80% approval and 77 commentsResponses and draft changes for all 77 comments completedPlan to go to Sponsor Ballot Recirculation #2 as soon as Draft 9 is available

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Approve Minutes

• Motion to approve March ‘09 (Vancouver) TGn minutes as contained in 11-09-0326r0

• Move: Jon Rosdahl• Second:

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TGn Quick Reviewof

Events prior to this meeting

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TGn Ad Hoc Organization

Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader In Montreal?

PHY Vinko Erceg Yes

MAC Matt Fischer Yes

Coexistence Eldad Perahia Yes

GEN Joseph Levy Yes

Editorial Adrian Stephens Yes

CA Doc Sheung Li Yes

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One Page History of TGn• HTSG formed – First meeting (Sep-11-’02 Monterey)• TGn formed – First meeting (Sep-15-’03 Singapore)• Began call for proposals (May 17 ’04 Garden Grove)• 32 First round presentations (Sep 13 ’04 Berlin)• Down selected to one proposal (Mar ’05 Atlanta) –first confirm vote failed. Confirmation vote #2 failed - reset to 3 proposals -left the May ‘05 meeting

with a serious deadlock. (Cairns)• 3 proposal groups agreed to a joint proposal activity (Jul ’05 San Francisco)• JP proposal accepted by vote of 184/0/4, editor instructed to create draft (Jan ’06 Waikoloa)• Baseline specification converted into Draft 1.0 (335p). Letter ballot issued (LB84) May 20, ’06 (Denver) and closed on April 29, ‘06 (failed)• Draft 1.0 Comment resolution begins (May ’06 Jacksonville) • Approved 6711 editorial and 1041 technical resolutions; Created Draft 1.03 (Jul ’06 San Diego)• Approved 568 technical resolutions (Sep ’06 Melbourne); Created Draft 1.06 (388p)• Approved 703 technical resolutions (Nov ’06 Dallas); Created Draft 1.09 (444p)• Approved 496 technical resolutions (Jan ’07 London); created D 1.10 (500p); went to WG letter ballot Feb 7, ’07 with D 2.0; closed May 9, ’07• LB97 on TGn D2.0 passed with 83.4% approval. (Mar ’07 Orlando) Began comment resolution on with target of Draft 3.0 completion and release to ballot

in Sep ’07.• Approved 1470 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft 2.02. Also approved 450 technical comment resolutions. (May 07 Montreal) Cumulative

insertion of resolutions contained in TGn draft 2.04. (494p)• Approved 750 technical resolutions and approved TGn draft 2.05. (July 07 San Francisco) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft

2.07. (498p)• Approved 507 technical resolutions and approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 3.0 (544p). (Sep 07 Waikoloa) Recirculation passed. • Approved 282 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft 3.01. Approved 97 technical resolutions. (Nov 07 Atlanta) Cumulative insertion of

resolutions now contained in TGn draft 3.02. (558p)• Approved 313 technical comment resolutions (Jan ‘08 Taipei). Cumulative approved comments now in D3.03. Additional ad hoc comment resolutions

contained in speculative edits D3.04, D3.05, D3.06.• Approved 190 technical comment resolutions (Mar ’08 Orlando). Approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 4.0 (547p).• Approved 349 comment resolutions (May ’08 Jacksonville). Approved recirculation ballot (LB129) for TGn draft 5.0 (547p). Ballot closed June 12 with

1112 comments.• Approved 1112 comment resolutions (July ’08 Denver). Approved recirculation ballot (LB134) for TGn draft 6.0 (557p). Ballot closed August 12 with 195

comments.• Approved 195 comment resolutions (Sep ’08 Waikoloa). Approved recirculation ballot (LB136) for TGn draft 7.0 (557p). Ballot closed Sep 30 with 48

comments.• Approved 48 comment resolutions resulting from LB136 (Nov ’08 Dallas). Approved recirculation ballot (LB138). Granted conditional approval to move

to Sponsor ballot. Zero no votes received. Moved ahead with Sponsor ballot. Sponsor Ballot closed Jan 10 ’09. 241 comments received, 77.8 % affirmative.• TGn CRC began Sponsor ballot comment resolution (Jan ’09 Los Angeles). Completed comment resolution, prepared D8.0 and began 1st SB recirc 19 Feb

09 which closed 06 Mar 09. 77 Comments received. 80.1 % affirmative.• In Completed comment resolution (Mar ’09 Vancouver) and began 2nd sponsor recirc which closed April 04

and generated 28 Comments for which resolutions are underway.

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TGn – Sponsor Ballot Recirc #1• IEEE 802.11 Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 asked the question “Should P802.11N Draft

8.0 be forwarded to RevCom?”

• The official results for the 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 follow:

• Ballot Opening Date: Thursday February 19 , 2009 - 23:59 ETBallot Closing Date: Friday March 06, 2009 - 23:59 ET

• RESPONSE RATE:This ballot has met the 50% returned ballot ratio requirement

• This ballot has met the <30% abstention ratio requirement

277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 169 affirmative votes 42 negative votes

• 17 abstention votes• ======= • 232 votes received = 83 % valid returns

= 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE:169 affirmative votes = 80.1 % affirmative 42 total negative votes = 19.9 % negative

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TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #2• IEEE P802.11n 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #2 asked the

question “Should P802.11n Draft 9.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” • Ballot Opening Date: Thursday March 20 , 2009 - 23:59 ET

Ballot Closing Date: Friday April 04, 2009 - 23:59 ET

• RESPONSES:277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 171 affirmative votes 41 negative votes

17 abstention votes ======= 229 votes received = 83 % valid returns

= 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE:171 affirmative votes = 80.7 % affirmative 41 total negative votes = 19.3 % negative

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SB Recirc #2 Ad hoc DocumentsAd hoc CID

countResolution

SpreadsheetReport (ppt) Resolutions

(doc)

Sunday, May 10, 1 pm

Coex 0511 r1Gen 0495 r1BEAM + PHY

0465 r4

MAC 0455 r6EditorComposite 0024 r8

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Primary Montreal Meeting Documents

• SB #02 Comment Composite 11-09- 0024 r8• Meeting Report 11-09- 0421 r0• Editors Report 11-09- 0445 r0• Closing Report 11-09- 0534 r0• SB#2 Telecon minutes 11-09- 0430 r5• May Meeting Minutes 11-09- 0565 r0• TGn Draft 9.0• COEX presentation 11-09-0511 r1• COEX presentation 11-09-0576 r0

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Master Schedule Plan• Nov ’08 - Requested (conditional) approval for sponsor ballot

– Sponsor ballot pool formed during July/August ‘08

• Released Draft 7.0 to SB #0 in November ’08• Released Draft 8.0 to SB #1 recirc in Feb ‘09• Begin & Complete SB #1 comment resolution in May• Release Draft 9.0 for SB #2 before April 1

• Release Draft 10.0 for SB #3 by May 18• Prepare for July EC Request to go to RevCom

– unconditional approval preferred

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May WG11 Agenda

am1

am2

pm1

pm2

lunch

eve

dinner

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TGn CRC – May ‘09 Schedule – Topics

Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursdayam 1 8:00-10:00 Full TGn Full TGn

am 2 10:30-12:30 Full TGn

lunch 12:30-13:30

pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn Full TGn

pm 2 16:00-18:00 Full TGnOpening reports

Full TGnMISC

eve 19:30-21:30 Full TGn

May 11 May 12 May 13 May 14

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Agenda Plan and Topics• Primary topic: Comment Resolution• General Order – TGn Full with topics introduced by appropriate ad hoc • Monday – TGn summary

– Process to publication– Introduction of unresolved comment resolutions and plans for time slots during the

week • PHY: CID 2027 NDP• MAC: CID 2012 unencrypted HT action frames for MCS feedback• COEX: CIDs 2016, 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2015, 2014 40MHz behavior in 2.4 GHz • GEN: CIDs 2002, 2007 IP

• Tuesday – Discussion and Votes• Wednesday – Discussion and Votes• Thursday - Discussion and Votes

– CRC Plans from May to July• Revised Teleconferences?

– Timeline review • Any other Business for the agenda?

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Approve Work Plan Agenda

• Motion to approve May ’09 TGn agenda as contained on slide 22 - 25 (with any minuted amendments) as contained in 0421 r0.

• Move: • Second: •

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TGn Timeline – January 19, 2009Event Name Accepted Dates

Actual Previously Approved

Currently Published

PAR Approved Sep ‘03Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06Recirculation WG Letter Ballot

Oct ‘07

Form Sponsor Ballot Pool

Jul ‘08

Initial Sponsor Ballot Dec ‘08 Nov ‘08 Jan ‘09Recirculation Sponsor Ballot

Jan ‘09 May ‘09

Final WG Approval Jul ‘09 Nov ‘09Final EC Approval Jul ‘09 Nov ‘09RevCom/ Stds Board Approval

Sep ‘09 Jan ‘10

Publication Nov ‘09 Mar ‘10

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Agenda Plan and Topics

• Monday – TGn summary– Process to publication– Introduction of unresolved comment resolutions and plans for

time slots during the week • PHY: CID 2017 NDP• MAC: CID 2012 unencrypted HT action frames for

MCS feedback• COEX: CIDs 2016, 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2015, 2014 40MHz

behavior in 2.4 GHz • GEN: CIDs 2002, 2007 IP

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Tuesday Agenda Plan and Topics

• Tuesday time slots – am2, pm1, eve• TGn discussion topics

– Introduction of unresolved comment resolutions and plans for time slots during the week • Am2 Continue PHY: CID 2017 NDP

• Am2 Continue COEX: SB #2 CIDs 2016, 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2015, 2014 40MHz behavior in 2.4 GHz

• Responses to SB email

• Am2 Telcon minute approval

• Pm1 Begin GEN: CIDs 2002, 2007 IP

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•Any other business?

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