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ukedchat Archive 11 Oct 2012Hosted by @DJTom3

What can we do to help childrenwith autism to get on at schools?

20:00:11 ukedchatIts 8pm. Time for #ukedchat @DJTom3 @8pm Whatcan we do to help children with autism to get on atschool?

20:00:24 ICTwitz

@urban_teacher I was also going to mention about

teacher training. It cannot prepare you at all for workingwith autistic pupils! #ukedchat

20:00:42 nickotkdIVRT @Mscatherineanne: #ukedchat schools &teachers should be helped to be aware of signs of highfunctioning autism #specialed

20:00:48 DJTom3RT @ukedchat: RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for#ukedchat @DJTom3 @8pm What can we do to helpchildren with autism to get on at school?

20:01 MrsPTeach Fingers poised and ready to learn loads in #ukedchat

20:01:05 ukcreativeed Greater understanding is required of complexity of ASD-eg.destroying the myth that autistic students can't bcreative/imaginative #ukedchat

20:01:07 yogspiers

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20:01:31 nickotkdIV

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20:01:32 TeacherToolkit

@ukedchat @djtom3

Intervention, support, clear routines & procedures.Teaching strategies...#ukedchat

20:01:46 DJTom3Hi all and welcome the start of tonights #ukedchat.Tonight the topic is What can we do to help children withautism to get on at school?

20:02:07 TeachSEN#ukedchat the student feeling comfortable around theirteachers e.g consider timetabling

20:02:08 ICTwitz

We need to remember there are so many different levels

of autism! #ukedchat

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20:02:25 nickotkdIV@DJTom3 we can help by actuarially understandingwhat is involved #ukedchat

20:02:33 helen2112

RT @nightzookeeper: RT @nightzookeeper: Does yourclassroom look like this? http://t.co/IbrWSv1W 'Why

learning should be messy' @MindShiftKQED #ukedchat#TM ...

20:02:34 cherrylkd #ukedchat Autism is a huge spectrum. Are we talking theones in mainstream or all on the spectrum? Verydifferent.

20:02:41Showmyhomework

@urban_teacher definitely agree. Please share yourfavourite web resources to teach others about Autismhere at #ukedchat

20:02:53 nickotkdIV @cherrylkd good point. our expert? #ukedchat

20:03:10 SLTchat Make sure school has a clear & effective inclusionpolicy, intervention programme & that staff areinformed & trained correctly. #ukedchat

20:03:18 SENse_ed@ukedchat #ukedchat more training & support forstaff. Greater awareness of the diversity of the spectrum.

20:03:19 ICTwitz@nickotkdIV Indeed, which is why I think teacher trainingdoes not, and cannot prepare you enough! #ukedchat

20:03:28urban_teacher

Teachers need to work as TA for a day with an AutismStudent #ukedchat #thinkingoutofthebox

20:03:35 anicholl1 At Stranmillis this semester we are looking at SEN,Autism and Aspergers this week, looking forward toreading tonights answers. #ukedchat

20:03:39 bekblayton@cherrylkd agrees, maybe we should split the time up todiscuss different needs #ukedchat

20:03:52 nickotkdIV@ICTwitz i know i had a chd last year which may be onthe spectrum. not prepared from my ITT.? #ukedchat

20:03:53 tmeeky My 9 year old has a friend with aspergers + says heneeds understanding and support; feed him infogradually, not all in one go #ukedchat

20:04:09Mscatherineanne

#ukedchat schools should be aware that to some #asdpupils being excluded or working in isolation is desirablenot a punishment

20:04:12 SENse_ed @ICTwitz agreed, very important. Anxiety does notalways display at school, can be passive, home basedetc. #ukedchat

20:04:19

GeographyCarrie

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20:04:25 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat teachers need to be flexible andunderstanding. All children with autism are different.Personalities are a huge factor

20:04:33 cherrylkd@nickotkdIV I wouldn't say that. But my ASD will be

different to m/stream #ukedchat ,20:04:34 nickotkdIV

RT @ICTwitz: We need to remember there are so manydifferent levels of autism! #ukedchat agreed.


RT @urban_teacher: RT @urban_teacher: Teachersneed to work as TA for a day with an Autism Student#ukedchat #thinkingoutofthebox

20:04:47 DJTom3 I chose this topic because its something that im reallypasssouite about and I have special needs myself#ukedchat

20:04:53 TeachSEN #ukedchat PGCE Secondary students trained tounderstand the needs of students

20:05:03 ICTwitz @nickotkdIV In fairness, it's something you probablyhave to live through...theory not as powerful as practice.#ukedchat

20:05:08 mccann_lynn #ukedchat staff understanding what autism is makes amassive difference to their approach to supporting thechild.

20:05:08 davoloid RT @ukedchat: RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for#ukedchat @DJTom3 @8pm What can we do to helpchildren with autism to get on at school?

20:05:11jwinchester25

Massive difference between students on the spectrum -different approaches needed for individuals!!! #ukedchat

20:05:17 SENse_ed #ukedchat parents need to be listened to and engagedwith.Support for many parents is severely lacking.Theyneed to know school is 'on-side'

20:05:22 llanharanpsGoogle apps via a wiki whose domain we don't own, anyideas on how to do it? #ukedchat

20:05:23 trudianns #ukedchat autistic children need consistency, visual aidseg timetables and limited change, as that can be a triggerpoint

20:05:30 nickotkdIV @ICTwitz very true #ukedchat

20:05:41GeographyCarrie

@ukcreativeed Agree, I have three autistic kids in ourschool show who are very creative #ukedchat

20:05:45 nickotkdIV RT @jwinchester25: Massive difference betweenstudents on the spectrum - different approaches neededfor individuals!!! #ukedchat

20:05:46 platt_f #ukedchat Teachers need support to develop inclusive

practice from specialists, trained learning assistants,

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partnership with parents.

20:05:49 ICTwitz@SENse_ed And some pupils behave different todifferent adults. #ukedchat

20:06 Llylia

@nickotkdIV @ICTwitz I agree. feel out of my depth.

currently teaching 3 students on spectrum and am in thedark most of the time #ukedchat

20:06:01 MsKateRyan@urban_teacher Great advice, my work as a TA wasgreat preparation for teaching! #ukedchat

20:06:11 cherrylkd#ukedchat As a general starting point it's wise to givevisual aids. Visual timetable. Use ruler with words or picsfor lesson & teacher

20:06:25 DJTom3and I went to a special needs school and many of thechildren had autism #ukedchat - they are my reasons for

tonights chat.20:06:28 MrGsBrain

#ukedchat what realistic, helpful sites are out there withpractical advice and systems/support?

20:06:31 cherrylkd @Lynnewin100 @nickotkdiv ah thank you #ukedchat

20:06:38MumForAutism

I'd like teaching staff to spend more time communicatingwith parents. We have a lot of knowledge of our ASDkids that can help. #ukedchat

20:06:41 Kezmerrelda@Mscatherineanne that's is so true. Often working aloneis desired outcome. Many ASD children are sensitive to

noise and crowds! #ukedchat


Limit change within the learning environment and warnkids ahead of time if there is going to be a change (eg.seating changes) #ukedchat

20:06:47AndyDMMitchell

What Exactly Is Blended Learning?http://t.co/POTTGbHK #edtech #ukedchat

20:06:55 lps140clubOur class are posing the question to our followers: Whois the most influential character in the Highwayman?#ukedchat

20:07 ICTwitz@Llylia Maybe it's an experience we all need toencounter. #ukedchat

20:07GeographyCarrie

RT @MrGsBrain: RT @MrGsBrain: #ukedchat whatrealistic, helpful sites are out there with practical adviceand systems/support?

20:07:04 bekblaytonVisual timetables- clear routes to learning all helped achild with Aspergers in my class & finding interestsin the curriculum #ukedchat

20:07:14 tmeekyI saw @robynstewardAs at Sen show. She wasamazing. Need to tune into what ASD kids are on the

inside #ukedchat

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20:07:22 nickotkdIV@Llylia @ICTwitz to true Where i was a TA there werechd that had statements etc but in my current school theyhaven't. #ukedchat

20:08 ICTwitzIs mainstream the solution for autism? Is it fair on the

individual, the teacher, and the other pupils? #ukedchat20:08:04 DJTom3

@SLTchat yeah i totaly agree most of the time that helps#ukedchat

20:08:08 MrGsBrain@SENse_ed #ukedchat yep, but parents also need to berealistic with steps schools are taking......

20:08:11 CaptainGoveAutistic children are great at remembering historical facts- get them up the front. #Ukedchat

20:08:12 TeachSEN #ukedchat. Teachers need to know the student&findout what will work for them.IEP might be good but a

conversation (where possible) is best20:08:13 cherrylkd

#ukedchat Low functioning ones do well with PECS.Helps their understanding & allows communication.


Giving ASC students a structured timetable 4 eachlesson helps them see where the lesson starts andfinishes + what is expected #ukedchat

20:08:21AimeeTweeets

RT @Teachric: RT @Teachric: Build/run schools withspecialist staff trained in dealing with autistic kids#ukedchat finished before its started.

20:08:22 SingleStepsBlog #ukedchat

20:08:24 nickotkdIV RT @ICTwitz: Is mainstream the solution for autism? Is itfair on the individual, the teacher, and the other pupils?#ukedchat interesting?

20:08:34 trudianns @SLTchat also, you ned to make sure all staff are awareof that child and their needs, so s/he are treated all thesame #ukedchat

20:08:44AimeeTweee

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RT @pigsmightfly: RT @pigsmightfly: #ukedchat needdedicated support staff and schools need to make ALLstaff aware of the difficulties faced by children ...

20:08:45SparkyTeaching

#ukedchat Such a big question. Two autistic pupils Itaught responded well to humour and being givenresponsibilities. Not always the case.

20:08:49 SENse_ed @ukcreativeed #ukedchat so many myths need busting(dependent on indiv.) Inc level of speech, desire tosocialised, emotions etc.

20:08:51Mscatherinea

nne

#ukedchat peer learning about #asd & otherconditions could be incorporated into anti #bullying

sessions so that peers can understand too

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20:08:52 ukcreativeedI saw a presentation once by a student withaspergers2his tutor group about his condition- wasexcellent-what a way 4others2learn #ukedchat

20:08:54 nickotkdIV

@ICTwitz i am not sure, again it depends on the staff

and the investment in training to deal with the symptoms.#ukedchat


Teachers need to work in close partnership with experts,LSAs and parents to put together inclusive supportpackage #ukedchat

20:08:59 DJTom3@cherrylkd we are talking about all of them but if youwant we can do it in parts #ukedchat

20:09:06 cherrylkd#ukedchat Stick to a routine. Explain carefully if theroutine is to change. Preferably before telling rest of

class.

20:09:12 karen_macgRT @cherrylkd: RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat Lowfunctioning ones do well with PECS. Helps theirunderstanding & allows communication.

20:09:29 DJTom3RT @urban_teacher: RT @urban_teacher: We needmore training and specialist assisting us to supportstudents with Autism #ukedchat

20:09:39 Llylia@SLTchat Inclusion is the hard part. my student can'taccess the book others study so had to choose own. isthis inclusion? #ukedchat

20:09:45SparkyTeaching

RT @cherrylkd: RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat Stick to aroutine. Explain carefully if the routine is to change.Preferably before telling rest of class.

20:09:48 nickotkdIV#ukedchat visual timetables. making time to explain andvisualise and draw things. Making time to explain clearly.

20:10:02 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat lots of visual cues is my top recommendation.But some other strategies i use are social stories, timers,role play, choices...

20:10:03 bekblaytonTeaching social skills and context clues with socialstories also really valuable as moved through primaryschool #ukedchat

20:10:06 ICTwitz@nickotkdIV I am playing devil's advocate a little bit, buthave seen autistic pupils who simply cannot cope inmainstream. #ukedchat

20:10:12 90_maz@ICTwitz #ukedchat and that like neurotypical children,no two children with ASD respond the same way

20:10:22 DJTom3@Showmyhomework @urban_teacher yeah i agree notall school are doing well i dont think although thats more

of what i have heard #ukedchat

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20:10:22 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat chunking, ict, individual rewards plan, calmtime, sensory calm downs, simple language and newstrategy is cartoon storyboarding

20:10:27 lovemyslk

RT @ConsultantHead: RT @ConsultantHead: E-Safety

Links from Cambridgeshire's safeguarding children boardhttp://t.co/5rMIcJCv #ukedchat

20:10:30 cherrylkd@ICTwitz @nickotkdiv #ukedchat That's true.Experience is the best teacher. Set rules won't work forall ASD.

20:10:33SilverLiningGal

RT @ukedchat: RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for#ukedchat @DJTom3 @8pm What can we do to helpchildren with autism to get on at school?

20:10:33

Mscatherinea

nne

@MumForAutism v true! I could've saved the lea a

fortune if they'd listened to my suggestions in managingbehaviours #ukedchat #asd


RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat Low functioning ones do wellwith PECS. Helps their understanding & allowscommunication.

20:10:59 DJTom3

RT @TeacherToolkit: RT @TeacherToolkit: @ukedchat@djtom3

Intervention, support, clear routines & procedures.Teaching strategies...#ukedchat


#ukedchat clarity, consistency, cooperation. Schools/government/ Ofsted MUST understand all children haveneeds, and those with ASD in..

20:11:19 platt_f @MrGsBrain #ukedchat The VTSS in Edinburghinvaluable, consult with teachers, provide resources,model strategies. Every city needs one.

20:11:31 bekblayton@ICTwitz @nickotkdIV ditto - also seen Steiner schoolswork really well for autistic children #ukedchat

20:11:37 pw2tweetsQuick, easy but powerful lesson activity using googledocs http://t.co/WMQdPoBN #ukedchat #googledocs#googleapps


@ICTwitz - mainstream has not worked for my HFAchildren; led to school refusal and mental healthproblems. #ukedchat

20:11:38 mat_harte@cherrylkd this is key. Ensure any new activities are putin their diaries and ALS know when/what is expected onthe horizon. #ukedchat

20:11:44 eslweb I think inclusion can be as simple as being on the samesite and sharing some activities depending on level of

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autism. #ukedchat

20:11:48 tmeekyOne thing I learned at the SEN show is how the sensoryinputs (environment) are key to progress and behaviour#ukedchat

20:11:50 cherrylkd#ukedchat Try and keep classroom clutter free. Noise toa minimum. Both of these heighten behaviour diffs andanxiety


Work with the student to build a learning environmentthat feels safe. Ask them what works for them -particularly in secondary #ukedchat

20:12:13primaryteachICT

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#ukedchat... Mainstream school need learning tailored totheir needs. One cannot expect ALL children to reach thesame levels. Understand!

20:12:43 90_maz@SENse_ed some even behave different to SAME adultin different settings #ukedchat one lad hated his tutor,loved his Sci teacher - both me

20:12:50 aangeliIt's really important that the start of the day, breaktimes,lunctimes and end of day are supported. #ukedchat

20:12:54 DJTom3now to get the chat going here is up my firstqurstion/point #ukedchat


@ukcreativeed that sort of peer education could go along way & could even bridge the gaps in stafftraining #ukedchat

20:13urban_teacher

As teachers we need to read more about autism! and findout time to talk with TA's about their experiences andpractices. #ukedchat

20:13:13 ICTwitz@MumForAutism I am afraid pupils are forced intomainstream mainly due to financial constraints. It's notfair on the child. #ukedchat

20:13:20 DJTom3Now to start of with do you think schools as whole dowell to support children with autism and other learningdifficulties? #ukedchat

20:13:21web20education

#Curation Restart Education Project & 10 socialmedia curation tools that will change #Educationhttp://t.co/ZgVuwSKK #scoopitchat #ukedchat

20:13:33 pw2tweets#Googledocs in history department...with enthusiasmhttp://t.co/WJGvdERm #ukedchat

20:13:33 AimeeTweee #ukedchat visual timetables, structure, explanations and

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ts understanding are key.


#ukedchat Never take for granted the way in which anASD child sees the world.

20:13:39 SheliBB

@ukedchat @djtom3 read lots about autism, listen to the

parents, get to know the child, reflect on everything#ukedchat

20:13:47 SENse_ed@MrGsBrain #ukedchat it's all about 2 way honestcommunication. Communication = shared and realisticexpectations & respect for views

20:13:52 nickotkdIV@DJTom3 the school i have worked in are indifference.some school just seem to put them with a TA.. #ukedchat

20:14MartindalePaul

@AimeeTweeets Ofsted do SEN/LDD progress nowmatched against that of all pupils, no longer comparing

like with like. #ukedchat20:14:15 nickotkdIV

@DJTom3 does solve the problem #ukedchat propertraining and specialist care is needed.

20:14:16 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat really important recognise ASD children areall different.They have different personalities, differentabilities, different skills

20:14:17 platt_f #ukedchat Visual timetables, sensory calm down,consistency, understanding, links with parents, SocialStories are all useful strategies.

20:14:26 nickotkdIV RT @platt_f: RT @platt_f: #ukedchat Visual timetables,sensory calm down, consistency, understanding, linkswith parents, Social Stories are all usef ...

20:14:32 thechrissyt#ukedchat providing a friendly timetable that they can gothrough with the teacher before they start school eachday has worked well in past

20:14:34 tmeekyThe Den http://t.co/tCoyUoEF looks an interestingresource for teenage ASD students looking for support#ukedchat

20:14:42 bekblayton@DJTom3 it varies widely from school to school#ukedchat

20:14:44 cherrylkd@ICTwitz @llylia I think m/ stream & spec teachersshould visit others schools. Lots 2 learn from each other.Very diff expertise #ukedchat

20:14:57 mccann_lynn#ukedchat I set up social skills groups in schools whichare very successful in building social communication andfriendship skills.

20:15:05 SENse_ed@90_maz #ukedchat can be the difficulty of generalisingexperience. Eg of being able to cross road in one place

but not another

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@ICTwitz - I know but the affect on my children andfamily has been traumatic and life changing. #ukedchat

20:15:07 DJTom3@GeographyCarrie yeah that sounds like a really goodidea as sometimes the learning environment can help

them. #ukedchat

20:15:08 ukcreativeedIn Drama, I found students with ASC tend2respondwell2having a lesson overview on the board helping toflag up performing etc #ukedchat

20:15:09 Llylia@DJTom3 No. Too many teachers have overloadedclasses & time needed to ensure SEN students espthose with autism is too much :( #ukedchat


#ukedchat listen to parents & keep an open mind.Don't assume we're biased/neurotic assume we're

experts & want to help you help our kid.20:15:26 nickotkdIV

@cherrylkd @ICTwitz @llylia would love to visit andactually see lessons in a special schools #ukedchat

20:15:33 aangelilet them draw - give them a voice. comic stripconversations really help ASD pupils #ukedchat

20:15:39 cherrylkd@jo3grace #ukedchat True. We did whole sch training toensure consistency

20:15:50urban_teacher

@ICTwitz #ukedchat I think you need some sort oftraining, but learning on the job is best with support

20:15:58 SingleStepsBlog

#ukedchat I could speak as a teacher, but voice forcousin. Asked him re sch-answer 'everyone needs to seepast each others differences'

20:16:18 SENse_ed

RT @SilverLiningGal: RT @SilverLiningGal: #ukedchatlisten to parents & keep an open mind. Don'tassume we're biased/neurotic assume we're experts& ...

20:16:19 pigsmightfly#ukedchat I always make time to listen, also listen withyou eyes, I always find a way of communicating with achild it's crucial


@DJTom3 no. in my experience a child has to becausing serious disruption to others before time/money isinvested in solutions #ukedchat

20:16:23 ICTwitz @MumForAutism For good, or for bad? #ukedchat

20:16:37 MsKateRyanThe TA supporting my student is also my co-tutor so weplan together and evaluate how things went. Her supportis invaluable #ukedchat

20:16:39HannahAckro

yd1

#ukedchat it is important to observe autistic children pickup on their language and movements and make

connections by mimicking these

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I think there needs to be more awareness of maskingbehaviour. Some kids don't show their inner turmoil atschool. #ukedchat

20:16:49 thechrissyt#ukedchat allow the child to be as much in control with

their day as you can give them/agree to.

20:16:59 aangelimake sure your learning enviornment is inclusive, esp inprimary. some students esp ASD can't think aroundclutter #ukedchat


#ukedchat pls accept sensory diet as a genuine need notreward for good behaviour. Y'know like insulin is not a"reward" for diabetics.

20:17:10 DJTom3@ICTwitz no sometimes it isnt i dont think many cantcope in mainsteam. i dont think it would be fair for

individual #ukedchat

20:17:19 MrsHimeRT @Primary_Ed: RT @Primary_Ed: The classroomenvironment should celebrate, stimulate and inform.#ukedchat #edchat

20:17:20 nickotkdIV#ukedchat i hate to see chd just given TA support - thisisn't always what is needed - address the issues! :-(


@cherrylkd @ictwitz @llylia that's a really sensible idea#ukedchat

20:17:27 cherrylkd@90_maz: @ICTwitz #ukedchat and that likeneurotypical children, no two children with ASD respondthe same way

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