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ICT Committee Call – Jan 24/25, 2017
Roll call
Welcome – Alex Feldman, USABC
- This is one of our most active and largest committees in the Council. We had a great 2016, and
we have a busy 2017 lined up. We accomplished a lot but don’t want to sit on our laurels—we
don’t only want to respond to problems and challenges, but we also want to be proactive. Our
2016 reports gave us a platform to talk to ASEAN leaders in a proactive fashion, and to shape
the environment. We will continue to do this.
- Want to thank leadership of our Committee leadership—Qualcomm, Oracle, Microsoft, Seagate.
Thank you for working with us.
Remarks – Julie Welch, Qualcomm, Chair of ICT Committee
- For this call, it’d be helpful to get updates from the Council team on priority issues and advocacy
from the last quarter, and to solicit feedback from members on possible improvements.
- On the idea of doing more proactive engagement up front—this will make it easier to engage
with stakeholders when challenges do arise.
- One idea that we’ve discussed is the need to develop a repository of agreed-upon high-level
messaging on certain issues that can be used by us all in our engagement.
Review of 2016 activities – Matt Solomon, USABC
- Reports
o Enabling Cross-Border e-Commerce Trade in ASEAN + Jakarta launch - April
o The Digital Economy and the Free Flow of Data: Advancing the ASEAN Economic
Community. Launches in JKT and SG (December), and Hanoi and KL (January). Launch
events included key government officials, local private sector, and report sponsors.
- Events
o Myanmar Innovation Roadshow, in collaboration with the US State Dept. – August.
Exploring opportunities to replicate in other markets.
o TELSOM – November, Brunei
Shay Wester, USABC – overview of TELSOM engagement: Joined by Seagate,
engaged alongside the USG delegation. We highlighted a few key priorities and
raised ideas for further engagement with TELSOM. TELSOM 2017 is scheduled
for November, but we don’t have a date yet. Will be in Cambodia. Previously
USG sent delegates from Senior Official level, but they want to send a higher-
level official who can engage with TELMIN. We’ll be in touch with the State
Dept. to see if they want to continue this engagement.
o Member feedback:
We did well last year. An area for improvement is advocacy follow-up. A key
area will be a pushback against rise of protectionist policies in Indonesian and
Vietnam.
Do we have opportunities this year to engage in APEC digital economy or
internet committees? Understand from MCMC that they’re heading Internet
Policy Committee at APEC—that would be helpful.
In Vietnam’s APEC year, they’re looking to work on cross-border privacy rules
and e-commerce. There are some dovetailing opportunities that will exist there.
o ICT-related SME trainings – 5 ICT-related events in 3 countries, in reverse chronological
order:
Laos: E-Commerce
Vietnam: Disruptive Innovation
Vietnam: Supply Chain in the Digital Economy
Laos: Digital Tools
Thailand: Digital Business for Cosmetics and Personal Care Products
Launch of the online ASEAN SME Academy in March. Will be a continued focus.
We are looking for more content—contact me for more information
- Countries
o Vietnam
Submissions on LONIS, GCC Decree 58 appendices, MIC Decree 108, MIC
licensing circular, and MIC/GCC letters underscoring “core function test” for
licensing, import/export of encryption products -- often alongside other ICT
trade associations (BSA, SIA, ITI, US Chamber)
Multiple meetings with MIC/GCC, most recently this month
Decree 72 letter (possible data localization implications) – November
o Indonesia
DVCs with Mastel on TV digitalization (with FCC) and internet regulation (with
FCC, NTIA, ITI, and WB). Looking to continue this partnership.
Submission on MOT 82 amendments – March
Submission on e-commerce regulation – June. Still hasn’t passed. They came out
with an e-commerce roadmap, but with the new Trade Minister, we’re waiting
to see what happens, and how to best engage going forward.
OTT position paper – May. Want to hear from members if this is still a concern.
Member feedback:
When we submit the comments—which were good—is the Council
following up with key staff as we move forward? If so, what’s been the
reaction?
o Matt Solomon: We’re always looking for ways to strengthen our
advocacy follow-up. Our colleagues in Jakarta are key to this,
who are best able to follow up with government contacts on
our submissions. The members also have opportunity to follow
up during Business Missions. As you know from working in
Indonesia, regulatory processes are sometimes opaque, so a
challenge to chart through their implementation which of our
comments are/are not incorporated, and why. On MOT 82 and
OTT most companies seem to now be directly engaged, so the
Council’s engagement has been a lower priority. If this is not the
case, let us know.
For certain priority issues in Indonesia, is it possible for the Council to
document the dates/substance of follow-ups for priority issues? You did
this for Vietnam
Would also be useful to track the progress of this engagement. We have
to figure out whether we’re expending effort to move the ball not too
much, or if it’s valuable. Some governments are more reactive than
others, so it’s useful to track that. It’s especially important when we
have the delegations go out. We generate a long list of “to-do’s,” so we
don’t want to ask the same questions and get the same answers each
time.
Need to work on local content issue. We had many conversations in
2015-2016—however, we have a meeting with DG Putu late last year,
and he was very open about ideas to incorporate new perimeters for
calculating local content—not just building factories. This was the first
time we saw a shift in this messaging. I hosted another meeting last
week with Council staff and AmCham and gave them a brief. We are
seeking to reengage DG Putu now. We need to track this issue.
o Alex Feldman – Rudiantara also expressed similar views when
we saw him last year.
o Philippines
Submission on Data Privacy Act – July. This was finalized in August and entered
into force in September. Is this still a priority issue?
o Malaysia
CMA engagement w/ KKMM Minister – August. Still postponed. It was supposed
to be raised in October, but it wasn’t. The delay seems like a positive indication,
but we will continue to monitor.
- Member feedback
o Is IPR on the committee workplan? Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam—counterfeiting is an
issue.
Shay Wester – The Customs Committee has this as a priority. We can discuss
whether the ICT Committee may also make it a priority.
o We face similar issues. The Indonesian authorities are concerned, which is why they put
in a pre-shipment survey, but it’s not working.
o In Indonesia, concerned about Data Privacy issues under GR 82. This is part of a larger
Data Privacy law that we need to track. The other issue is OTT. Something surfaced in
November that very few of us were aware of—a piece of draft legislation. We need to
watch this space and see what’s coming out.
Overview of 2017 workplan – Matt Solomon, USABC
- Overarching themes
o We reference the ASEAN master plans and Framework—but especially with regard to
the new ASEAN Framework on Personal Data Protection, it would be useful to hear from
you on whether it lays out a good model for data protection.
- ICT Industry Mission(s)
o Proposed joint ICT-Financial Services Mission to Indonesia - The timing is still TBD, but
we plan to engage in first half of year, before GR 82 is implemented in Oct 2017. Is this
something you would be interested in joining? We haven’t done an ICT Industry mission
since 2013, so need to gauge interest.
o Proposed “Thailand Innovation Roadshow” – currently postponed pending State Dept.
availability. Will keep you updated
o TELSOM 2017
We’ve received feedback that, as soon as the dates are finalized, we should
send out a save the date to members. Then we can work on securing the
meeting itself and the bilaterals. Is there anything else we can do to more fully
exploit TELSOM/TELMIN as an opportunity for engagement?
We also just received an update from the ASEC that another way to engage at a
regional level is to propose a project under the US-ASEAN Connect Digital
Economy Series, which could then be considered during the Joint Working
Group meeting in May
Another option we are exploring is partnering with ASEAN Business Advisory
Council on their ICT work stream. Meeting with them on Thursday in Manila. If
anyone has thoughts on partnering with ABAC, let us know.
- Promote the free flow of data and discourage new data storage requirements
o Country-level engagement, leveraging data report. Indonesia and Vietnam flagged as
priority countries. Let us know if you have ideas about how to best approach this issue
- Cyber security
o Request from BSP on technical trainings. They have furnished a list of proposed
technical trainings, which Ian circulated to members earlier this month. In addition to
facilitating opportunities for interested members, we’re perhaps more interested in
identifying policy issues for a roundtable or workshop
o Also in the Philippines, we are looking at participating as a Supporting Organization in
the upcoming “Protect 2017” conference in Manila on March 29-30. The theme is
“Innovations for a Safer Environment.” We will share details
o Member feedback:
On workshop at AFMGM – does this mean we’d be on the agenda as side event?
Matt Solomon – exploring models for how to best do this. May also be
after-the-fact deliverable. Depends on member interest and AFMGM
schedule
Alex Feldman – Council has joined official program for 17 years, but they
only want financial services companies. We think there’s a window to
bring ICT experts to that meeting, or put together another type of
engagement. Did receive request for technical training, and would be
grateful for more feedback. We need to figure this out in next 2-3
weeks. We want to put together an engagement on a single topic, and
cyber is an option. The AFMGM engagement is quite short, and we need
high-level representation.
If we do a discussion during the meeting itself, and then we’re also talking about
a workshop on cyber best practices before/after meeting. Do we get two bites
at the apple? A workshop and then reporting to the Ministers?
Alex Feldman – they only want financial services companies, but cyber
security has long been on their agenda, so if we can bring in experts
maybe that’s something we can do in our meeting. But we’re making
this up as we go, so we need your ideas. We’re thinking about a
workshop probably following AFMGM, but maybe alongside, where we
can dive deeper into these subjects. I would suggest doing a separate
call on this topic in next 10 days
o Also country-specific issues in Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam. Any others?
- Privacy - Country-specific issues in Indonesia and Myanmar
- E-commerce – leveraging report on regional level, but also engaging on country level, such as in
Indonesia and Thailand. Any others?
- SME/startups - this is one useful avenue for engaging Indonesia and others—where we can have
discussions about how foreign ICT investment enables start-up growth, and also how restrictive
regulations also hurt local companies. Planned SME events:
o Q1 – Myanmar
o Q2 – Indonesia
o Q3 – Philippines
o Q4 – Cambodia
o Online marketing and e-commerce training in Thailand, to be scheduled
- Continued partnership with Mastel
- Resources: Repository of issue-specific industry positions and talking points. Will discuss
internally about how to best build this out and make it available to members.
Closing remarks – Julie Welch
Closing remarks – Alex Feldman
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