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ELEVATOR CABS
Modernization: New shells vs existing
Elevator U Educational ConferenceJune 25, 2015
ELEVATOR CABS for MODERNIZATION
New cab shells vs Existing shells
Agenda
Introduction
G&R History & Background
Information Required for New Construction Proposals
Information Required for Mod Proposals
Agenda
Information Required: Modernization Proposals
Survey Check List
Major Concerns in Proposal Preparations
Codes, Restrictions and Elevator Facts
New Shells vs. Existing Applications
Conclusion / Thank You
Our History and Background
G and R Elevator is a trusted name in the elevator industry known for producing high-end custom cabs, standard cabs, and interiors in both new construction and elevator modernization projects. We also produce elevator cab components. We work with elevator consultants, elevator contractors, architects, property managers and building owners.
We believe our success to be consequential of our focus on providing value-driven solutions for our customers. In fact, listening to customer feedback inspired us to develop a “same-day” prefabricated interior cab solution for our customers–the EPIC Solution. The EPIC Solution is a patent-pending pre-fabricated cab interior designed to reduce installation time… even more than other leading prefabricated interior products.
Our expertise, reputation, and commitment to producing high-quality products, and customer service coupled with reliable delivery equate to a successful result for our customers–and their customers as well!
NEW Proposal Preparation Specifications
Elevator Sections
Wood Sections
Special Lighting Sections
Metal Finish Sections
Material Finish Sections
General Conditions (if pertinent to cabs & entrances)
Addendum’s and RFI Responses
Architectural Drawings / Plans:All Elevator Cab and Entrance drawings, and details–if available Finish Sections Legends or Charts, Electrical / Lighting sections
MOD Proposals Preparation
Specifications and / or drawings
Elevator capacity with door type & finishInside car dimensions with door opening sizeE-mail digital pictures when possibleBrief description of existing interiors so that we may advice of any weight concerns
Is survey required (yes or no)If no survey by G and R then;
Wall panelsCeiling and light fixturesHandrail size and locationFront description: swing or stationary COP’s, main and Aux along with material type and finish
Are the original elevator layouts available?Are the original cab detail drawings available?Fill in Field Survey Forms See Field Survey form handouts
Survey Check List: Modernization
Inside car dimensionsExisting panelsExisting suspended ceiling dropCar door thickness, width, height and type
- Always note the above be it new construction or re-clad- For re-clad, look for special conditions
Existing ventilation locations, height, width, intervalsStrike pocket dimensionsTransom notch dimensions for 2sp conditionsSill depth & width dimensions (even though new sills may not be required)For special conditions: - Take Photos - Note anything that may be difficult to measure accurately
Conditions appropriate for a New Cab Shell:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
New equipmentComplex design, a lot of architectural linesTight tolerance conditionPoor shell condition
Conditions appropriate for Existing Shell to Remain:
MODERNIZATION
Existing equipmentBasic/simple design, few architectural linesLoose tolerance, wider revealsGood shell condition
NEW CONSTRUCTION vs. EXISTING CONDITION
Difficult to remove existing wall panels reveals, light troughs, corners, etc.Does not meet existing code requirements (for access, ventilation, lighting, ADA, etc.)In-experienced interior installation crew
Easily removed wall panels and Reveal ConditionsMeets current code needs (for access, ventilation, lighting, ADA, etc.)
Capable & experienced crews
Existing coved ceiling/shell limit new ceiling options
Existing escape hatch to small
Existing cab shell is made of MDF type pressed board
Modifying platform for a larger car
ProsMeeting code requirementsNecessary for cosmetic changesMay be lower labor than to refurbishAdd advertising screens/video
New cab shells with new interiors for MOD projects
- an elevator contractor’s point of view
Moving the COP to the front in lieu of the side of the car
Changing from manual doors to automaticExisting cab shell in such poor shape that the labor to refinish is more than replacement
May increase cab weight, thus may need to resize elevator (pump/motor/drive)Hoisting systems needs PE sign off on new weight of elevatorMore cost than re-using existing shell
Cons
Shell is in good shape
No issues with size of escape hatch (may need to modify existing)
Just looking for a change of interior design
If required, no issues retro fitting new door
ProsNice new and fresh look
Existing shells with retrofit new interiors of MOD projects
Operator header to existing cab shell
Cab weight not to exceed 5% of old elevator interior
ConsMay increase cab weight, thus may need to resize elevator (pump/motor/drive)
Hoisting systems needs PE sign off on new weight of elevator
May spend capitol that should go to elevator system upgrade
Conditions appropriate for Cab Fronts:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
Rough, dented & deep marredFace & corner conditionsNew swing fronts (difficult tore-clad, re-align, punch new holesNon re-finished conditionNew equipment
Conditions appropriate for Existing Fronts:
MODERNIZATION
Smooth fronts, no dents and no over-cladSuch as plastic laminate or “Belbien”When there is a stationary condition with COP cutouts only and easily re-finishedRefinished conditionExisting Equipment
New Construction vs. Modernization Elevator cab fronts
Lead Times:NEW CONSTRUCTION
When there is a longer overall project timeline
Shorter downtime (ie: new doors vs. re-clad)
Existing Lead Times:MODERNIZATION
When there is a shorter overall project timeline (ie: interiors only)When there is plenty of available elevator downtime (ie: As an example, the existing doors to be re-clad, take the doors down and send to a manufacturing plant for change out)
New Construction vs. ModernizationLEAD TIMES:
Cost & Benefit:NEW CONSTRUCTION
When new equipment is being provided
Added cost with a new shell and ceiling
Interior Material Cost & Benefit:MODERNIZATION
When existing equipment is maintainedExisting shell remains when in good condition
Cost Benefit
Existing shell remains when in good conditionLess overall installation time -
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2352 Station Parkway NWAndover, MN 55304
Toll Free: 877-603-5352Main: 763-757-6177Fax: 763-603-5352
Web: www.GandRCustomCabs.com
Darren MaveusSales EngineerPh: 763-230-7430Email: [email protected]
John OmoreanDirector of SalesPh: 763-230-7423Email: [email protected]
For more information visit GandRCustomCabs.com
