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Statistical approach of Turbulence R. Monchaux N. Leprovost, F. Ravelet, P-H. Chavanis*, B. Dubrulle, F. Daviaud and A. Chiffaudel GIT-SPEC, Gif sur Yvette France *Laboratoire de Physique Théorique, Toulouse Fr

Statistical approach of Turbulence R. Monchaux N. Leprovost, F. Ravelet, P-H. Chavanis*, B. Dubrulle, F. Daviaud and A. Chiffaudel GIT-SPEC, Gif sur Yvette

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Page 1: Statistical approach of Turbulence R. Monchaux N. Leprovost, F. Ravelet, P-H. Chavanis*, B. Dubrulle, F. Daviaud and A. Chiffaudel GIT-SPEC, Gif sur Yvette

Statistical approach of Turbulence

R. Monchaux

N. Leprovost, F. Ravelet, P-H. Chavanis*, B. Dubrulle, F. Daviaud and A. Chiffaudel

GIT-SPEC, Gif sur Yvette France*Laboratoire de Physique Théorique, Toulouse France

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Out-of-equilibrium systems vs. Classical equilibrium systems

Degrees of freedom: N L

3

Re9

4

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Statistical approach of turbulence: Steady states, equation of state, distributions

• 2D: Robert and Sommeria 91’, Chavanis 03’• Quasi-2D: shallow water, β-plane Bouchet 02’’• 3D: still unanswered question (vortex stretching)

Axisymmetric flows: intermediate situation• 2D and vortex stretching• Theoretical developments by Leprovost, Dubrulle and

Chavanis 05’

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2D and quasi-2D resultsStatistical equilibrium state of 2D Euler equation (Chavanis):- Classification of isolated vortices: monopoles and dipoles- Stability diagram of these structures: dependence on a single control parameter

Quasi 2D statistical mechanics (Bouchet):– Intense jets– Great Red Spot

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Approach Principle

• Basic equation: Euler equation

– Forcing is neglected

– Viscosity is neglected

• Variable of interest:

Probability to observe the conserved quantity at

• Maximization of a mixing entropy at conserved

quantities constraints

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2D vs axisymmetric (1)2D axisymmetric

Vorticity conservation Angular momentum conservation

No vortex stretching Vortex stretching

2D experiment

Coherentstructures

Bracco et al. Torino

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2D versus axisymmetric (2)

Von KarmanTaylor-Couette

610Re Re 105

Presentation of Laboratory experiments

2D turbulence in a Ferro Magnetic fluid

Re 103

Jullien et al., LPS, ENS Paris

Daviaud et al. GIT, Saclay, France

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2D versus axisymmetric (3)Basic equations

Vertical vorticity:2D:

Azimuthal vorticity:AXI:

azimuthal vorticity:

angular momentum:

poloidal velocity:

Variables of interest:

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2D versus axisymmetric (4)

Inviscid stationary states

Inviscid Conservation laws

(Casimirs)

F and G are arbitraryfunctions in infinite number

infinite number of steady states

Casimirs (F)

Generalized helicity(G)

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Statistical description (1)

• Mixing occurs at smaller and smaller scalesMore and more degrees of freedom

• Meta-equilibrium at a coarse-grained scaleUse of coarse-grained fields

• Coarse-graining affects some constraintsCasimirs are fragile invariant

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Statistical description (2)Probability distribution to observe

at point r

Mixing Entropy:

Coarse-grained A. M.

Coarse-grained constraints:

Robust constraints

Fragile constraints

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Statistical description (3bis)Maximisation of S under conservation constraints

Equilibrium state

Equation for mostprobable fields

The Gibbs State

Steady solutions of Euler equation

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Steady States (1)

What happens when the flow is mechanically stirred and viscous?

T1 T2

Two thermostats T1>T2

F

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Working hypothesis (Leprovost et al. 05’):

NS:

Steady States (2)

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Steady states of turbulent axisymmetric flow

F and G are arbitraryfunctions in infinite number

infinite number of steady states

- How are F and G selected?

- Role of dissipation and forcing in this selection?

Steady States (3)

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Von Kármán Flow - LDV measurement

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Data Processing (1)

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Data Processing (2)

Time-averaged

fmpv

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Test: Beltrami Flow with 60% noise

A steady solution of Euler equation:

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Data Processing (3)

• F is fitted from the windowed plot• F is used to fit G

Whole flow 50% of the flow

Distance to center

<0.7

>0.85

intermediate

Flow Bulk

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Comparison to numerical study

Simulation: Piotr Boronski (Limsi, Orsay, France)

Re=3000“inertial” stirring

Re=5000viscous stirring

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Dependence on viscosity (1)

(+)(-)

F function:

Legend

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Dependence on viscosity (2)

(+) (-)

G function:

Legend

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(+)

92.5mm

Re = 190 000Re = 250 000Re = 500 000

50mm

Dependence on forcing

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Conclusions

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Perspectives