Seeing is Becoming, by Rajiv Kapur

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Seeing is Becoming

December 20, 2010 - Online Satsang 002

Rajivji: Before I start with the main central point of my talk, I want to go

through briefly those four steps, or the stages of Self-inquiry which I had given in

my last Satsang.

The first one was acceptance. Acceptance of your present state of beingness,

which is very important: to accept what you perceive yourself as, right at this very moment. That is point number one. You cannot proceed ahead unless, or

until, you accept yourself completely and wholly. That is rule number one.

Second step or principle: Acceptance does not mean that you leave it unattended.

Acceptance means you watch it thoroughly. Investigate it. Observe it. Look at

it intently. That is second point.

Third step or principle is - what happens when you watch it, is that you will see

that your beingness, your present state of existence, has changed form.

So we are doing only one thing in all of this: We are only watching. We are not

trying to change anything. Right from acceptance, second point was observation,

and third thing was that it changes.

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Nowhere I have looked at the I. I have only looked at my present state of

beingness. Thats all. The I has simply followed that. It has completely followed

my beingness. You will see that in due course just as your beingness will change

form, your I will follow it. It too will change form; it will become it.

And that is what I am going to address today. The topic is Seeing is Becoming.

That is the central point (Third step). This is the backbone of Self-inquiry, of

Advaita itself.

Whatever the I sees, it becomes. And I begin my talk with this. (The fourth

point I shall take after this.)

So, what do I mean when I say that Seeing is becoming? Or, what do I mean

when I say that what the I sees, it becomes? What I mean to say is: You

perceive reality on the basis of what you see. That becomes your reality. You dontneed anybody to give you a proof of the reality - you know it. For example, you

see the gross matter around you, this gross body, and you say that I am the

body. Isn't it?

Now, the same you, when you go into your dream, watches the dream state. It

sees that, it identifies with that dream state, that dream character and now it has

become that. During that sleep, that dream phase, you do not remember thisidentity. You now identify with the dream character, whoever it is. It could be the

same identity, but the character, the situation, everything has changed.

The reality itself changes. For example, sometimes in the dream you will feel

youre falling down a hill. And sometimes in another dream you will feel that you

are given some exam, and you have failed. So new realities emerge in each dream

and those have nothing to do with your present situation, but each dream seems

so real.

So, your I has changed . So, most people today, remain identified in both these

states. They oscillate or move between these two states unaware (move from

waking to the dream state), and they say, Okay, this is okay. Its fine. I feel noneed to inquire even of these two states.

However, a serious seeker, when he first enters Self-inquiry or he takes up

spiritual pursuit, observes these two states very minutely. And he comes to the

conclusion that I am not the body, because I can watch over it. I am not the

thoughts, because I stand independent of it. I can watch them. I can watch the

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rising and falling of my emotions, and I stand aside of it. They dont touch me.

Theyre there but they come and they go.

So, who is this I?

Who is this I?is now the question in the mind. Its like a worm which goes intoyour head. Now you cannot rest, because now you want to find out. You have now

changed from normal, individual people, and now you want to find out, Who is

this I who stands independent of these two states?

But the problem is, the moment you open your eyes, you see the gross world

around you. And the moment you close your eyes, you see dreams. After that, you

do not remember anything that has happened. That is what happens with

maximum people, and that is the problem with seekers also. They dont know

what to do.

So then, what has to be done? So then a thought comes in your mind which is if

you close your eyes and look deeply within, by being aware, by observing a state

which is beyond the dream, can you find that I? Can you find the I by going

beyond it? That is your question.

So, we will just take some little task together, for just some time. I want all of you

here to close your eyes for some time. Whatever position you are, if you are lying

down, please lie down. If you are sitting on a couch, please be relaxed. If you are

sitting in a chair, relax.

Just close your eyes, for a short time, for some seconds. I want to give you some

insight of what Im trying to drive at. Please close your eyes and relax yourself

completely.

Do you see a black void in front of you, ahead of you?

First thing, apply rule number one Acceptit. Completely accept it.

Now, apply step number two: Watch it.

Look inside of it. Gaze into it. Look intently into it. Focus.

Okay. Open your eyes everybody. What did you all see?

Come on, Jo-Ann. I want an answer from somebody.

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Jo-Ann:(laughing) Nothing.

Rajivji: Anybody else saw anything? Did anybody see anything? Everybody,probably two people. . . Yes, somebody is there, who wants to say something?

Joseph: Yes. Joseph.

Rajivji: My friend! How are you?

Joseph: Hi, Rajiv.

Rajivji: Hello, hello. Yes?

Joseph: Yes. I see nothing.

Rajivji: Very good! You see nothing. Jo-Ann too saw nothing. Most see nothing.

And what was mythirdstep? What was my third step? Have you all forgotten,

everybody? Already?

Jo-Ann: Seeing is becoming.

Rajivji: YES!!! Seeing is becoming. So (going by the third principle or step) if

you see nothing, you become nothing. The third principle or stage is what you

see is what you become. Right?

But, have you ALL become nothing yet? (laughing)

No. It is not so easy that you become nothing. I just wanted to give you an insight

into what my topic was. It is not that you become nothing.

And the reason is: the mind will not allow you to become nothing.

This was for only a few seconds, you intently gazed into that Void, that

nothingness. And you came to the conclusion, I see nothing.

But Im telling you, if you are a serious meditator, you meditate, you concentrate

for more than twenty minutes, thirty minutes, forty minutes, fifty minutes, youll

have different observations. You will watch a lot of things happening. You will not

see nothing. And mostly, you will watch the movement of your minditself.

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You will watch thoughts. You will watch various emotions. You will watch various

happenings, phenomenons, but you will lose track of that nothingness.

Do you get me?

The goal is that void. But the mind does not allow you. And the reason is, theexistence of mind depends on that. The moment you become nothing, means the

mind has died. And that is why the mind will struggle for its existence.

So, what are we to do? We have to continue. We have to go on. We cannot let the

mind, the thoughts, the emotions dictate to us.

We have to watch over that, keeping our focus only on one goal, and that is to

become that nothingness, to watch that nothingness, to look at it.

Over a long period of time, when you will continue to look at that Void for a long

time, you will come to an understanding that the thoughts have come, and they

have gone.

You will not be any more distracted to those thoughts. You will not run behindthat. Initially you will, and for a long time you will. Believe me, for a LONG TIME

people are still identified with the thoughts. But continuous watching, continuous

watching, continuous watching thats what you have to do. You have to

continuously watch at that Void. Bring that Void near you. Look at it.

Many distractions will come, of various forms, during the time of meditation.

Just when your mind will drop, and it will feel that it is losing its existence, it will

give you an extraordinary experience! That is the nature of the mind. And you

will follow that experience. And you will want that experience. But you do not

know that is a trick of the mind. The mind is tricking you.

You have to remain only centered near the Void. You do not have to go follow the

experiences. Various experiences will come. Sometimes some sound will come.

Sometimes some light will manifest out of the blue. Sometimes youll see atunnel, and youre going inside the tunnel. Sometimes youll see some revolving

lights blue, purple; various things. All kinds of experiences will come to the fore

during meditation.

They are distractions, but desirable distractions. Again, I have to tell you this You cannot prevent that from happening. It shows that the mind is getting scared

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of dying! So that is why hes showing you these experiences. Hes trying to

distract you.

So, dont fall for that. But, be happy that these experiences are coming; it means

that progress is being made. Yet I shall remain only focused on what I have to do

(irrespective of these experiences), I shall not deviate from my path. And I shall

continue to look, continue to look while I am meditating.

One day what will happen is that all thoughts, all emotions, all experiences will

no longer take your attention at the time of meditation. You will be centered in

the Void. And all thoughts, all experiences may or may not happen. You are not

paying any attention to them during meditation.

They are happening on the surface, while in your case, there is a perfect

relationship going on with your Void. There is continuity of consciousness whichis flowing towards you and the Void. Nothing is distracting that.

Nothing comes in the way.

Everything will still happen. But you dont feel anything. The flow of

consciousness is perfectly directed at the Void! And at that time, real meditationwill take place. The mind will drop. In fact, you will not have even this awareness

that you are meditating on the Void. And at that moment, that I-ness has gone.

That is what is going to happen.

Now another important question comes here: How do I look?

This needs to be addressed, also How am I supposed to look at the Void? If

Im going to look for my mind, then the mind is going to show only itself. It is

going to give me a glimpse of afalse Void. That is how tricky the mind is.

You will create your own Void and tell me, Rajivji, I got a glimpse of the Void. I

was in the Void! But that was only the mind.

So, I am going to give you a technique. Im going to share you one. In fact, this

technique was brought to me in the notice by my Guruji, Sri Edji, and it is very

much mentioned in the autobiography [Autobiography of a Jnani teaching

dialogues between Edward Muzika and Rajiv Kapur.] And I have just made it into

a step, and just trying to provide it, so that people can understand what lookingmeans, the real looking.

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As you close your eyes to meditate, you will see the Void. What you have to do is,

you have to bring the Void to your heart downwards and bring it here. And

now you arefeeling the Void, you bring it closer to yourself, and feel it there. And

look from there, from your heart.

This is a very effective technique. When you are looking from the Third Eye there

is still the Void. I am not disputing that. I did it in myKriya yoga for many years.

But it gives rises to many kinds of phenomena and kundalini experiences and

many other such lights, and noises and voids which are all noise, all mind-

work. And you can get lost in this.

Rather bring it here, onto the heart, near your heart. Feel the Void here. Accept it

here. Enter the Void here and then SINK into it. The more you sink, the more

mind is going to die - the more meditation will effortlessly happen - the better the

looking will be - because here in the heart, it is not the mind which is looking.

So sink!

Try and go downwards (backwards). As far as possible, try to go downwards,

even below the heart, if possible go downwards!

And just go.

Rest there.

Dont look at anything.

Just sink.

And then, you may find that you are going into a bottomless pit. Youre sinking

deep into some kind of scary stuff there. You know, its very scary. But that again

(chuckling) is a final weapon of the mind. He wants you to bring him (the mind)

back.

And that is where most advanced meditators make a mistake. Just when theyresinking into a state, they bring the mind back!

They want to become awake (wake up.)

And Im telling you to awaken!

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Theyre two different things: You do not have to be awake.You have to awaken.

In the awake state the mind is active; while in the awakenedstate the mind hasdisappeared.

So, my dear friends, this is what you should follow. The technique is given - Howto Look.

And this should introduce you to the method. It is a form of guided meditation.

You can try it. And one fine day, once you become very deep into this, as the

sinking starts to happen, you will come to know that the I who started this

journey of searching has disappeared.

Now, there is someone else who is doing the search. That, I will come to later in

the Satsang. For the time being, we must stick to this.

Now, my fourth point comes into question, which is: No matter what you

become, even when you become the Void, it is all false. It is still an illusion. Even

the void is dropped later.

This is the fourth and final point which will be addressed in another Satsang in

more detail.

The thirdpoint has to be done first, and then the fourth step will come later . You

will have to know about nothingness (watching it in its totality) and become itfirst.

This talk today has introduced to you a method, has tried to give you a structure

of where you should head in your meditation.

Alright?

So, I shall complete my talk. Thank you so much.

Any questions are most, most welcome.

Part 2, Questions and Answers follows below...

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Rajivji takes your questions...

As you read the questions and answers below, it is very important to understand that theanswers that are given in each Satsang must be taken in the full context of that Satsang ANDthat Rajivji's answers may appear unusual, or seem to contradict answers to similar questionsin the past.

Partly, he is answering each person based on their current level of understanding, and moreimportantly, is telling them what he thinks they need to hear at that time. Also, realize that all

general statements contain within them their own contradictions, and most Satsangstatements are general statements due to limitations of time.

Therefore, a general statement one week may appear to contradict another general statementof another week. In the largest sense, there is no truth at all, but until one awakens, or until

one's self-inquiry has reached deeper levels, words, and the necessary distortion of words, arestill one of the main ways a teacher still teaches.

So don't hang onto any one sentence because in a month's time you will find a contradiction.You need to go beyond the words with limitations in meaning and intent, by just listeningwithout interpretation or dwelling on the words.

Also, Rajivji likes to joke sometimes and don't take those answers seriously!

Question 1

Rajivji: Yes, Dennis.

Dennis: When looking in the emptiness, in the nothingness, isnt it sometimes

boring?

Rajivji: Yes.

Dennis: That theres nothing.

Rajivji: Yes.

Dennis: It seems to be boring.

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Rajivji: Yes.

Dennis: The mind seems to go away.

Rajivji: Whos saying so, that it is boring?

Dennis: I do.

Rajivji: Who is that I?

Dennis: Dennis.

Rajivji: Isnt it your own mind? Yeah, Dennis, who is your body-mind!

So, I told you - All these things are going to come your way This is boring. This

is attractive. This is good. This is bad. All this is nothing but the mind. Youcontinue your journey, regardless of what your mind tells you. Try this

meditation. If you are going to listen to your mind, then it is not meditation.

Meditation means you are sticking to one thought, and youre not looking at other

thoughts at all. Onlyone thought gets prominence. And what is that one thought?

The blankness. The Void. The nothingness.

I have only one goal. I have to look at it intently by sinking into it.

Thats all. Nothing more.

You may go a thousand times. You might get diverted. You might go again toward

what the mind says, but you will come back here only. What the mind tells you is

false . Dont believe what it tells you. It has to tell you that it is boring, my friend.

It has to tell you. (smiling)

Dennis: Yes.

Rajivji: It has to survive so it will give you stories. (chuckling)

Dennis: Sure. When I close my eyes, when I look, I see this blankness.

Rajivji: Yes!

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Dennis: Its also on this level here.

Rajivji: Yes.

Dennis: Its a visual sense.

Rajivji: Yes.

Dennis: But when I lower my attention to my heart area or my belly, still this

looking, there are two things: looking and being.

Rajivji: Good question, Dennis. I have to clarify something here. The thing is,

in my last Satsang I had told one guidedmeditation which said that love is your

beingness, if you remember. Right?

And love is generated from your heart only, it is not generated here (pointing to

head). If you look at it, I love here (pointing to heart), you know? Its like its

more predominant in your heart area. Love manifests from your heart. (Smiling)

So, you feel beingness from your heart. So, if you feel beingness from your heart,

you can go with love, with a feeling of love and sinkthere. (Please refer to my

document Steps in Hunting the I for more details regarding Love and its

connection with beingness.)

But why I gave today this whole talk about the Void is that I wanted to address alarger section of seekers... most people can see nothing in front of them. Most,

even you can see that. So, Im trying to give them an object. It is only for the

purpose of meditation.

However those who feel that love into your beingness is the object, they can go for

that. Otherwise, those who have a more visual perception to finding truth and are

more intellectually drawn (pointing to head),which meansthey like to see things

and observe things more for them, this is more effective. So, Ive given them

both options.

So, theres no escape you see? No escape! (Smiling)

You can do either of these things. You can do either of these things.

Dennis: Thank you.

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Rajivji: The main thing is to sink.The main thing is to bring the Void which you

see into this (pointing to heart,) into your heart. If it is love, youre already there

in your heart.

If it is watching (pointing to the third eye), then you bring it slowly downwards.

Very simple.

But whatever it is whatever you will see, you will become. Final conclusion.

Question 2

John: About two years ago, I awoke into pure consciousness. I recognized the Iam. And for about a year, I attempted to abide in that I am, very diligently,

constantly and consciously.

Rajivji: Mm-hm.

John: And there was quite a bit of dissolution, you know, when I was . . . I had a

lot of desire to realize myself, but I was forced to integrate back into the world,

you know, due to financial concerns and stuff like that.

The last few months Ive really started to forget who I am. Ive started to losemyself. I havent made a permanent shift into that. And I was wondering if you

could offer some advice and support for me.

Rajivji: Well, you carry on the way youre doing. You have to know that inquiry

can happen in your daily life, also. You dont have to divorce anything; it can keep

happening. You can keep being observant of the way you are, and meditate.

Formal meditation is very important. So, you can meditate, doing daily

meditation for some time, and youll see the changes within you. You see whathappens is whatever goes and comes, or whatever comes and goes, cannot be

real.

Right?

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When we talk about pure consciousness, it is a state of samadhi, the pure

beingness. Samadhis come and go, too. Butpure consciousness samadhiis very

different.

The definition of pure I am-ness by Nisargadatta Maharaj, is the highest form

of samadhi.It never leaves you. It is sahaja the natural state.

So, whatever you got that glimpse came and gone. So now, whatever you are

at this moment, accept that, and begin the inquiry. For sure, you must have got

insight into some very beautiful thing. You will get that again!

See that. Watch it.

If there is any difficulty, were there. No problem. You can always mail or get in

touch. No issues. (chuckling)

John: Thank you.

Question 3

Joseph: Okay, Rajiv. So Zen is past, and Im just practicing, basically on my

own, until I met you and Edji.

Rajivji: Yeah.

Joseph: So, my question is, nowadays during my meditation (and Ive talked to

you about this,) is that I have this blankness!

Rajivji:(smiling)

Joseph: I meditate. I can meditate seventeen, eighteen hours a day. Thats what

we would do in sesshin [Zen Buddhist group meditation.]

Rajivji: Mm-hm.

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Joseph: But usually I do it about for two hours. And you know, within a couple

of minutes, it goes from kind of a dreaming, to what seems like a complete, blank,

deep sleep state.

Rajivji: Very good.

Joseph: But its known. But I keep having these doubts come up, because one of

the things that I was always taught in Zen is that you keep your eyes open and I

practice shikantaza [a method of Zen meditation] So, you do not go to sleep.

You do not go to sleep! That was pounded into me.

Rajivji: Yeah.

Joseph: If youre sleeping, you wake up. But, you know whats always been

happening, now this is what Im thinking, is that my waking up was alwaysreturning to mind.

Rajivji: Of course!

Joseph: So now, I just sit in this blankness, and I run a timer over a two-to-fourhour period. I run a timer so that every twenty five minutes, I get this gong from

a bell in my computer, and it gives me these intervals.

Rajivji: Yeah.

Joseph: I find that theres awareness, just immediately, in a blankness, as the

gong appears; and then it goes away. But my mind keeps messing with me, trying

to say, No, youre just sleeping here.

Rajivji:(Laughing)

Joseph: Youre sleeping and youre waking up because you hear this sound.

But at the same time, I dont believe thats necessarily true.

Rajivji: Yeah, thats not necessarily true. That is the minds way of doing somedefense. It doesnt want to die.

Joseph: Thats really my question. It just keeps interfering.

Rajivji: Dont worry. Youre in the absolutely correct direction.

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Now you got the direction, the mind will not give up without a fight. You have to

be patient. The more you will expect, the impatience can add to your problem,

ah? Because it is still the mind.

So, you just relax in that position. You are very close to that state what we are

talking about, and of the Void. You will know that, how it is. I think you have

some experience also of that. But the thing is, the mind has returned back in

some way. Dont worry. Youll be there. It is not going to take much time for you,

from what I see. For sure.

Joseph: Thank you. Thank you.

Question 4

Tim: Hi, Rajiv.

Rajivji: Hello.

Tim: When I do my meditation, focusing on beingness, I tend to focus on the

right side of my chest. It seems to feel like when I refer to my beingness, it seems

to refer to me here, on the right side

Rajivji: Mm-hm.

Tim: Is that alright, or should it be on the left side?

Rajivji: Beyond the mind, theres no left-right.

Tim: Okay.

Rajivji: But to start off, you are in the right position, correct position. Be there.

Tim: Okay. So, its on the right side then? Leave it there.

Rajivji: But sink! I want you to sink!

Forget distinctions between right, left, center, head, or up, down sink! Just go

downwards.

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Tim: When you say sink, this means to sort of . . . let yourself go into that

feeling?

Rajivji: Yes. Just go downwards into that feeling. Like if youre lying down,

then how you go, if you lie down on the bed. So, you are going downwards from

there. . . down . . . from your heart. Youre going downwards.

Just go. Your intuition will tell you that youre in the right path. You will get

intuitive feelings. Awareness is always correct. Rajiv may not be, but awareness

is.

So, your awareness will tell you, exactly. As far as your question goes, the answer

is youre in the actual correct right position.

Correct.

Tim: Can I have a Part B to my question?

Rajivji: Yeah, sure. Why not? Buy one, get one free! (laughing)

Tim: You speak of the mind as if its a separate entity that basically wants to

survive, and it does whatever it can to survive.

Rajivji: Appearance-wise.

Tim: Appearance-wise. I see.

Rajivji: There is no mind.

Tim: Right.

Rajivji: That is true There is no mind. But that you will know, once you have

gone beyondmind.

Tim: I see.

Rajivji: But for those still in the body-mind, that is still a truth, a reality for

them. Once you transcend that, the mind is not there. When the mind is not

there, Tim is not there. Hm?

Tim: Yes.

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Rajivji: And not only Tim is not there, I am-ness is not there. Nothing

exists.

Tim: Right.

Rajivji: That is truth. But for that, we have to go step by step.

If I tell you Nothing exists, it is not going to help, because your conviction is not

strong enough. Some of these teachers today, they taught that Were already

That, Nothing exists, I dont exist. And we have to believe that.

But that belief must have an attainment to it. There should be some kind of

conviction. Only then I will be convinced that Yes, it is true. So, why dont you

see for yourself? Whybelieve somebody? Yeah?

Tim: Yes.

Rajivji: For example, if youre put in a room. And in that room, there is a big,

dark lizard. And there is little light in there, and you can see those lizards eyes

looking at you. Right? And there is a New Age teacher next to you, who tells youDont worry. It is only made of rubber. Sleep, sleep. No problem. Im telling you,

its only made of rubber.

Will you be able to sleep? Youre not convinced that it is rubber. You feel it is real!

So what are you to do? Youre to go and touch it and see for yourself whether it isrubber or not. Once you see it is rubber, doubt is finished!

So, why dont you see for yourself whether the mind is there or not there?

Whether you exist or you dont exist, see for yourself.

And I can tell you, if you see for yourself, doubts will be over.

Tim: Thank you very much, Rajiv.

Question 5

Rajivji: Yes?

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Nathan: My question is regarding looking at the Void. It seems to me if I bring

my attention at what is looking, thats more Void than the Void in front of me.

Does that make any sense?

Rajivji: Can you come again?

Nathan: If I look at whos looking at the Void, that seems more of a Void than

the Void in front of me.

Rajivji: Perfect!

Nathan: Do you understand? Does that make sense?

Rajivji: Yes, yes. No problem. Do that. Look at the looker of the Void. Thats

what youre trying to say.

Nathan: Mm-hm.

Rajivji: Youre trying to be the looker of the Void. Youre trying to be that. Dothat. Its as good as that. Ultimately, thats what we are to do.

But, you have to find who the looker is. At this moment, your looker is your body-

mind only.

Nathan: Right, right.

Rajivji: Because you come back as body-mind. So, you have to go deep. Find

who the looker is. Keep going where you are. Find. Youre doing that. Correctpractice. No problem.

As I said, you know, we can have different techniques. These are all techniques I

have shared today. There is no one technique for everybody.

Nathan: Sure.

Rajivji: But, Im giving you a direction, thats all. Because many people ask

What direction do I have to go? What do I see? What is I am-ness? What

is beingness?

Im just trying to give them a little structure. My attempt is to give one slight

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insight into it kind of a goal, kind of an object. And the object of todays lesson

was the Void.

Question 6

Tina: Hello, Rajiv.

Rajivji: Yes, Tina!

Tina: I have a very stupid question

Rajivji: Very good.

Tina: But maybe theres somebody else that has the same question.

Rajivji: Yes.

Tina: So, when you close your eyes, and you see the darkness that is not the

Void. Is that correct? Is the Void a lot deeper than that?

Rajivji: Yes. See, when you see the Void, immediately, if you look at it intently,

very, very you gaze at it with complete attention, then it is the Void.

Tina: Okay.

Rajivji: It is the Void. But because the I has gone, you see the thoughts have

gone, when you look at the Void, very, very carefully there is no you. There is

only looking.

Tina: Thats how you know that you are in the Void?

Rajivji: Yeah, but as I said earlier also, it cannot go on for long, because themind comes and interferes.

Tina: Mm-hm.

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Rajivji: So, the looking is interrupted by the mind, by the thoughts. But if you

persist long enough, we can hold the attention on that Void for a longer period of

time. And at that time, the mind drops. It allows you to see for a long time.

Tina: Thank you.

Rajivji: And that is also the death of I-ness basically, which we call as a first

awakening the death of I-ness.

So what I have told you today is about the first awakening, which Edji talks

about. That was also my first awakening.

Tina: Thank you.

Question 7

Jo-Ann: I dont know if others have this, but when I sit in meditation now, or I

just sit and listen to something like that, or even when Im listening to you or

Edji, and I get sort of lost in it, I start rocking.

Rajivji:(chuckling)

Jo-Ann: Its just something that I have no control over, and theres also

sometimes a cycling as well. And I can pull the cycling from the head anywhere

down that I want to, but

What does one do with that? Let it happen?

Rajivji: Yeah, yeah. Of course. We have no choice on that. You know, these

energies that work around you, you just feel too much of energy coming and

sometimes there are some bodily movements which correspond to it. And so, you

just allow them to happen, but you dont get identified with that. Thats all.

You know when we say, It happens, and It just happens, and gives me joy, It

gives me happiness, and I am okay with it That Okay with it is not very okay.

You know what I mean?

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You can only do one thing, and that is to go to your heart source, and remain

there, and sink there. That is simple. Nothing more should be done.

Jo-Ann: Thank you.

~ End of Satsang ~

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