True Heart Has No Center, by Rajiv Kapur

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True Heart has No Center

January 5th, 2010 - Online Satsang 003

Before I start talking something about the Heart, I would say a few words about

the practice. You all must be well aware by now (those who are following my talks

and a little bit about what I have written) that I have prescribed two basic formsor methods of Self-inquiry, depending upon the type of seeker that you are.

The first is for those who are more devotional types, more feeling-oriented. For

them, I had said that you feel love as your beingness, beingness as your love, and

automatically that your attention will be drawn near the area of your chest, at the

heart. This is for those who are devotional types.

And the second way is for those who are more intellectual. They are more

visually-oriented. For them, I had said in the last Satsang which I had given, was

about looking at the Void ahead of you, and bringing the Void slowly downwardsinto the area of the chest.

These two methods are prescribed.

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Two things are very common in this the first is that there is continuous looking,

continuous looking by way ofsinking. And the second thing is that that sinking

has to be done in the area of the heart. So, two things are very common for both

these forms of instruction.

Now, I had stressed looking by way of sinking, because that is where real

meditation takes place. It is not a looking by ordinary mind. It is looking which

goes beyond the mind. The more you sink, the better will be the looking the

better will be the meditation and sooner the mind will die. And it has to be done

in this area (near the chest, near the heart.)

Here the question about heart comes. When I gave this at the last Satsang,

Matthew emailed me saying that There are basically three different kinds of

heart. He asked me Where are we supposed to sink? A very good question.

He told me, in fact he enlightened me that there is one, the left one, which isbasically the physical heart, which is present there on the left side of your chest.

The second is right in the middle of your chest. This is where the yogis practice

pranayamas [yogic breathing exercises to still the mind] and concentration. It is

called theAnahatachakra.

And the third is what Sri Ramana [Maharshi] had said - that it is on the right

side; that is where the I-thought originates from.

So, which of these three do we need to sink into?

In my last Satsang, this question was raised by Tim also. And that moment also, I

had said only one thing: that we have to forget about left, right and center

completely.

The same instructions hold true even today, and will always. The reason is, first

of all you have to understand that the object of your concentration, of your

meditation, was never the heart. The object of your meditation was your

beingness, or your Void. Right? It was never the heart. So, you are only

concentrating, meditating on the Void or beingness either of them are theobject.

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If I had told you that the object of your meditation was the heart, then the

question about left, right and center comes into play. The only instruction as far

as the heart goes, is that is a place where you need to sink not even remain. You

are supposed to sink there. So one thing is very clear: that the object is beingness

or the Void, not the heart.

What happens if we say that the right side holds prominence, as Sri Ramana-ji

says, or that the right side has a basic significance? Yes, there is definitely

significance, but Ill come to it in just some while.

But during your meditation, if you are going to concentrate or pay attention to

the right side, or the left side, or to the center, then it is not meditation. It

becomes concentration on a certain point. And then you do not allow your mind

to sink, because all the time youll be thinking Am I on the right side? Am I on

the center? Am I on the middle? Am I on the left side?

Your mind will only be thinking, sorting these things out Oh, Ramana-ji said

right side. Ah, why did I drift towards the left side during meditation? No, no,

no, no. I need to go back to the right side. See? This is what happens when you

are going to do attention on the heart area. The attention and focus will become

the heart.

But it is notthe heart. The 0bject is always the beingness or the Void.

So, youre going to freefall (meaning, sink.) In that area, the chest area, you arefalling, unrestrictedly! That has to be very understood. The only object is the

again I repeat, either the Void or the beingness. And you sink, you sink, you

allow yourself to go deep downwards, backwards, deep.

That is what I call as sinking. Otherwise, sinking will be very difficult to achieve,

because whos sorting left, right, center, other than the mind, only? Whereas, in

sinking the mind is taken care of. Youre not even remaining even in one position.

Youre continuously going down. Backwards.

Now my second point is, how is sinking best achieved?

You will realize that by dedicated practice, bringing the mind again and again to

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your beingness, or the Void, bringing it down here, to the area of the heart, you

will realize that sinking is made possible with dedicated practice and with

patience, without really worrying about the result.

You have to just worship. That is the center ofworshipping. Without any fruits of

what is going to happen, What experience am I going to get, or not, youre just

allowing to drift yourself downwards.

Another thing which will help you to sink more is the compassion, the feeling of

love towards all sentient beings, helping them at a time of their suffering, when

they need you most. You will see that your happiness within is growing, slowly

and suddenly, automatically youre spreading the love everywhere like

fragrance, youre spreading. And your inner world also is going to lighten up.

That will open that Heart which I am talking about. Not the left-right-centerheart. The Heart. Just the Heart. So, as far as practice goes, this is what you

have to do.

You know, once I read that a devotee asked Sri Ramana, Where is the Heart?

You say Right side, the Heart is there; it is the Source So where is this Heart?

So, Sri Ramana-ji said this only that where you address yourself as the first

person, that is here, you point your finger. (pointing to right side of chest)

When you point your finger [to indicate who you are], automatically you will

know that it automatically goes here. (pointing to right side of chest) When yousay I go there, the finger is pointed automatically here. (pointing to right side

of chest)

Intuition tells you where the Heart is. It does not say Is it the left, right or

center? It automatically says, Its here. (pointing to right side of chest) I am

going there. (pointing to right side of chest) I will see you soon. (pointing to

right side of chest) Whatever. When you address yourself as I, the finger is

pointed intuitively. The mind is not used there.

Similarly, when you love, intuitively you will feel feelings here only. (pointing tochest) Youll not experience feelings of love generated anywhere else, other than

this area. That is why it has a prominence. So, Heart is Heart. Right?

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Now, we have to come to the central part of todays Satsang, which is: Is there

significance to what Sri Ramana said about the right side? Is there any

significance at all about it?

I think that Matthew wrote, Ramana said the Heart is two finger-widths to the

right of the center of the chest. Of course, it has a big significance. If Sri

Ramana-ji says something, then it has to be significant. Hes not going to just say

it without any reason. So, let us find out what that could be, or what that is.

In my experience, the significance of the right side is that this is where bliss is

experienced first. The bliss of pure beingness is experienced there. That is the

state ofTuriya. Hes talking from that level, in that context, the highest state of

samadhi. This is where it first arises.

In my experience of Turiya also, I recollect there was a jerk. And with that jerk,fountains of bliss start to flow from that center fountains! That happens on the

right side.

Having arisen from there, it does not stay there. It spreads. It spreads from that

center, to the whole area, to the whole body, slowly, like waves and waves of bliss

arising, torrential bliss, torrential joy, unimagined, unexperienced by human

mind. That happens when you cross the state of Void. With that jerk on the right

side, joy erupts. Soon the whole body, every cell of the body is celebrating,

around with that joy! And soon, not only the body, space joins in the celebration

entire space, entire universe. That is how the expansion of that center happens.That is how it happens. It flows away up, up, up! There is an expanse.

(Please note that this is purely experiential and words are self-defeating . When I

say up, up,up! it is to give everyone an idea of how expansive it can get, but in

the real sense there is no up, up and up. The expanse is experienced as a result

of how subtle one's beingness is actually getting. While a part of your beingness

continues to sink downwards into the ground, another part seems to rise

upwards, swallowing the entire space and universe. Later there is no downwards,

upwards, left, center or rightonly Joy remains. Even this boundless joydisappears. When, how and from where it disappears is not known at all.)

So it is not limited to that side, the right side. No. There is no doubt that it is the

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source from where it arises, the pure beingness, the I-amness, the joy. It arises

from there. But it is still the false center. Because you have to understand that it

does not stay; it spreads. And therefore, when it spreads and disappears from

there (beyond all,) how can you know the actual center?

The center cannot be traced. It is far too expansive. Far too overwhelming. It

includes every part of the universe. It encompasses everything, pervades

everywhere and disappears from there.

(Turiya, the highest state of samadhi is experienced, recollected when youre back

in the body-awareness. As a memory, you come to know about all these things.)

So, you can say, one can recollect the source from where it arises (that is the right

side). But there is no way, from my experience I can say, that you can point to a

heart center, to a center, because of all these reasons.

I cannot put it in words; words fail me if Im trying to explain. I hope you can

understand through my feelings what Im trying to say here. But if I have to give

you a slightly unorthodox example, please bear with me, just to make some

understanding

The source of sexual pleasure happens in the genitals. However, it does not stay

there. During the act, it spreads through the whole body. The joy is experienced

and participated by the entire body. Even though when we know that the source

of pleasure is from those parts, no man says to a woman that his genitals havemade love to her genitals! It never happens. He says he makes love to her. This is

how it encompasses. This is how it is difficult for me to explain to you about what

happens in the state of Turiya. But people have limited it, by saying Right side of

the chest. How is it possible?

(One can say that the right side is a doorway or pathway towards the real Heart as

things start to roll up from there with the experience of Bliss.)

It is a start. But soon, it pervades everything. And there is no way, to my

knowledge, where I can point a finger and say that this is where the centeris arising, yes, but not the center. This is recollected by a Jnani (the right-side

arising), but not the center.

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To me, the Heart center is completely unknown. It is the Self itself. The True

heart has neither a beginning nor an end, so it cannot have a center.

So again, I would conclude that we should not take words of present/past

Masters and interpret it, without understanding in which context that he has

spoken about. Context, as Edji said the other day, is everything. It is proven.

Pranams.

Part 2, Rajivji Takes Your Questions and Further Explanations,

follows below

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Rajivji Takes Your Questions

As you read the questions and answers below, it is very important to understand that the answers that

are given in each Satsang must be taken in the full context of that Satsang AND that Rajivji's answers

may appear unusual, or seem to contradict answers to similar questions in the past. Partly, he is

answering each person based on their current level of understanding, and more importantly, is tellingthem what he thinks they need to hear at that time. Also, realize that all general statements contain

within them their own contradictions, and most Satsang statements are general statements due to

limitations of time.

Therefore, a general statement one week may appear to contradict another general statement of

another week. In the largest sense, there is no truth at all, but until one awakens, or until one's Self-

inquiry has reached deeper levels, words, and the necessary distortion of words, are still one of the

main ways a teacher still teaches.

So don't hang onto any one sentence because in a month's time you will find a contradiction.

You need to go beyond the words with limitations in meaning and intent, by just listening without

interpretation or dwelling on the words.

Question 1

Alan: Pranams, Rajivji.

Rajivji: Pranams.

Alan: Something that has come up in conversation over the last couple of days

you have stressed the beingness, and to sink backward into the Void. If we are

not of the body, how can we have a backward or a forward?

Rajivji: Yes.

Alan: How can we sink backward into a void? Why not just sink into the

Void?

Rajivji: No. Sink into the Void Im saying that there is a Void ahead of you.

The Void is everywhere. The first point is when you close your eyes, you see a

Void. It is for those people who are more visually oriented, Ill say it again.

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They see the Void ahead of them, right? Now, when you bring the Void

downwards, backwards, downwards that is, through the heart area you sink

from there. So, youre sinking backwards only to the Void. By sinking, youre

going backwards only. Am I right? Is that your question?

Alan: Basically, youre sinking the Void backwards into you.

Rajivji: Same thing. What is notthe Void if youre going to go behind and

look, what is there?

Alan: Behind would be the Void, too.

Rajivji: Same thing.

Alan: You are of the Void.

Rajivji: Exactly, exactly.

Alan: Okay.

Rajivji: So wherever you look left, right, center, wherever it is going to be

the Void only. Where is it notgoing to be the Void?

Alan: Okay.

Rajivji: Im only saying that those who are more visual, who want to see, forthem I have said, that you bring the Void to the... The idea is to guide them, as a

pointer, that you bring it downwards, and you sink there. So, you can go like that

also, the way you were doing. Its correct.

Alan: Yeah, but we have heard the term sinking backward into the Void a

number of times, and it was sort of a little bit vague as to what that concept

actually was, but I think youve clarified that very nicely now. Thank you very

much.

Rajivji: The idea, Alan, is that sinking means relaxing. You have to understand.

Alan: Mm-hm.

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Rajivji: You have to completely let go of concepts, even, of whether theres a

Void backwards, whether theres an I backwards... Everything has to go,

finished. You are just relaxing. You are not allowing the mind to operate. And the

best way to do, is to go to that source. As I said, the source is the area from where

the I comes from. There, if you relax, you will meet the subject, that is I,

automatically.

So, why dont you allow it?

Alan: Okay.

Rajivji: That allowing is sinking.

Alan: Okay.

Rajivji: That allowing is sinking, relaxing. Relaxing into that area. So whether

you take Void backwards, or you take I backwards, or you take Void ahead, it is

the same thing. The idea is to relax.

Alan: Or if you just sink into it.

Rajivji: Yes.

Alan: Its the same thing.

Rajivji: Same thing.

Alan: Okay. Wonderful. That clarifies a lot of points. Thank you.

Rajivji: Okay.

Question 2

Sharjeel: I have been meditating for I think four years. I never forget the

message of Master Edji last week, when he said not to ask too many questions

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and dont pay attention to experiences, but this experience has been happening

for a long time and continuously, repeatedly this thing has been happening, what

you mentioned in your last Satsang. And this has been happening since, I would

say three years.

See, with me, what happens is that, Rajiv, when I meditate, most of the things,

the vivid dreams, the dreams when you know that youre dreaming, or all these

experiences, they wont happen during the meditation. Most of the time in

meditation, Im just getting images, Im getting thoughts and everything.

This happens just after I finish meditation and go to sleep, and relax. But this

happens like I am completely aware of whats going on.

Rajivji: Whathappens?

Sharjeel: What happens is that, it is just like what you said last time. That youre

going somewhere like down, but it doesnt feel like its in the Heart. Its like Im

going down, and in some kind of a very scary place, its like the grave. When you

reach there, its like youre going under the ground. Its a very scary, scary place.

Its extremely dark there, its complete darkness.

Rajivji: Yeah.

Sharjeel: Its complete darkness. And then, most of the time, I stay there. I try

to stay there, but then

Rajivji: It doesnt. Mind comes back! (chuckling)

Sharjeel: Mind comes back. So, when you told me, and this has been happening

when I didnt know anything about the causal body, or I didnt

Rajivji: Yeah

Sharjeel: I read Autobiography of a Jnani [advaita teaching dialogues between

Ed Muzika and Rajiv Kapur], but this has been happening. My question is this I mean I know its not some kind of delusional state because it happens in the

dream, I mean in the sleep, but Im completely aware. Im completely aware of

whats happening.

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Rajivji: Very good. Thats good. The thing is that, you mentioned that it is not

the Heart Again, I am saying the same thing: The Heart is a concept from this

area (pointing to the chest) That is not the Heart. What you are experiencing is

youre going to that heart only. Thats all. As long as youre sinking downwards, it

is the Heart.

Okay. Now, Heart means Self. As I said, now it is clear. Heart means the

source from where everything arises. That is the Heart. The real meaning of

Heart is that only. It is the Self, itself.

So now, when you are going downwards, you just remain there possibly if you

can sink, you can sink, but just when you will have the experience of being aware

of something extraordinary, of the nothingness, the moment you are trying, going

to become that nothingness; before that, the mind will scare you. It will scare you,

frighten you, too much.

Sharjeel: Thats true, thats true, yeah.

Rajivji: That is a defense mechanism for the mind to come back into play.

Sharjeel: Mm-hm.

Rajivji: Just like we have our own intelligence which we call survival instinct,

the mind has its own survival instinct. It will try and scare you, that youre losing

yourself into that bottomless bit, almost like an abyss. Youre going downwards,downwards, downwards downwards into the nothingness.

Thing is, youre getting more subtler, and the mind does not allow you to become

so subtle, because that will cause the end of the mind itself!

But I can tell you, Sharjeel, this is the most difficult part of sadhana [spiritual

practice.] If you can, cross this ocean; this ocean that you are experiencing. Then

for you the path ahead for everybody, not only you for everybody, the path

ahead becomes easier. Because, you have to understand that beyond that lies

infinite beauty, infinite joy.

This is only to scare you!

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Sharjeel: Its like youre dying, like youre dead.

Rajivji: Of course, you are dying, because that is a concept, that death. The

mind is telling you that you are going to die. That is the death of ego, closely

related to the I-ness that is the individuality of the mind. The existence of I-

ness, the individual ego, depends upon the mind. He has created you!

Sharjeel: You know Rajiv, the last time it happened, I just did some experiment.

Because you know when you are in the subtle body, and you have lucid

dreaming? In the beginning, I used to have it like I am going somewhere, but

then after a while, after six months or a year, I could feel my physical body at the

same time that Im dreaming.

Rajivji: Yeah.

Sharjeel: But last time I did it, what I did was, as I was going down, sinking,

sinking backward into that darkness, when I went there, I stayed there. But then I

tried to feel my body, physical body, and because it seems like youre going

somewhere, like youre not here, youre going somewhere in the bottom of the

earth, you know? Somewhere, a grave. So then I tried to feel my body, and I

tried to bring back, and I said, Oh, its the same thing. Im not going anywhere,

Im here. I mean, its just that this -

Rajivji: (Laughing)

Sharjeel: -thats my mind.

Rajivji: I can say youre going to the right place, but youre coming back to the

wrong place, that is the body.

Sharjeel: Yes. (Laughing)

Rajivji: So, change your focus. Rather, you go where it has to go. The bodys the

wrong center. The bodys the wrong center, the false center. Because this is a

security. See again, this sense of security that I am there, the body is there, isgiven to you by the mind because it wants to survive, and it will survive by your

body, through your body. So, hes bringing your attention back to your physical

body.

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Rather I would say, Let it go. You see what happens to you. Anyways, after

physical death we have to go somewhere, no? Why not see now, only?

Sharjeel: Thats true.

Rajivji: We have to leave the body. Isnt it? Or the body has to leave us;whatever. But whatever it is we are going to, this particular partnership of us and

the body is going to break, one day.

Sharjeel: Thats true.

Rajivji: So why dont we do it now, and see? What is happening with you, your

experience, you are going subtle and with everybody, I know it happened with

me also, Im not saying It is scary, because the moment you start to become

more subtler, more subtler, the mind will interrupt. It cannot see that.

Sharjeel: Thank you, Rajiv. Thank you so much. Youve clarified that.

Rajivji: Thank you. Very nice.

Question 3

Rajivji: Any question? Is Matthew clear?

Matthew: Yes. Thank you. Thats a great explanation. I like how you put it in the

context of Ramana, and the different systems. Nice. Very nice. Thank you.

Rajivji: You know, this is what Ive said. It is experiential. The right side has

significance, and it is experiential only after the experience of Turiya; not before

that. Before that, if you bring the right-side, left-side, we are creating problems

for ourselves. I hope you understand what Im trying to say.

Matthew: Yes, yes. You said to focus on the sinking, or the beingness.

Rajivji: Thats it.

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Matthew: And in a way, what youre saying is, its like when youre driving: just

remember to keep your hands on the wheel, and just steer and keep your foot on

the gas. In other words, dont get too taken up about whats going on outside, you

have to know whats going on

Rajivji: Exactly, exactly. You will be aware of it anyways.

Matthew: Yeah.

Rajivji: When youre driving that car, youll be aware of which car is coming

from where, without really actually looking at it.

Matthew: True. Instinctively.

Rajivji: Instinctively! So, you have to trust your instinct more than anything

else. Practice is all about trusting instinct. It is automatically happening around

you. Similarly we have to do, but we are to not forget that car. And the brakes.

We have to apply the right brakes at the right time! (chuckling)

Matthew:(Laughing)

Rajivji: It will be a problem! (Laughing)

Matthew:(Laughing). . . Thanks, Rajivji.

Rajivji: Thank you.

Question 4

Jean: Pranams, Rajivji.

Rajivji: Yes. Come on, Jean.

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Jean: When you spoke about being intellectual, being visually oriented, as

maybe not using the correct word but as opposed to being heart-centered for

lack of a better word, devotional? Bhakti?

Rajivji: Yes, yes.

Jean: How does one know? Can there be elements of both in ones practice?

Rajivji: Surely.

Jean: Just as a curiosity?

Rajivji: Surely, surely. It depends. Which is more prominent? And you can try

both also. Ultimately what Im trying to say is, you are brought to this area of the

Heartthat is near your chest, and you have to sink. As long as youre doing that, it

doesnt matter which kind of seeker you are.

In the first kind the devotion there brought directly here, near the Heart, whereas

the second one is kind of indirect. Youre trying to force slightly, you bring it

downwards.

So, the aim and the goal is the same thing. You are retiring here (pointing to

chest) on this area of the Heart. That is the goal, and youre sinking there. Thats

it.

So, it doesnt matter what is more predominant you have to be one-pointed.

You are going to bring all your attention of that beingness here (pointing to

chest) and youre going to sink from here. Ultimately, that is the way towards that

beautified that Im talking about, those indescribable joy which remains with you

all the time.

Another thing I also have to clarify is this, that once you have had an experience

of that pure beingness, or of Turiya, which we call it, it never leaves you not

for a second.

So, it is not a glimpse. This is not your question, but I just recollected that I have

to say this. So, that is where you come to know that this is pure beingness,

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because it always stays with you. That is a part of pure I-amness, the nature of

your self, the true Self, which is joy. That is what you are. You are joy itself.

So, whether you call it joy, you call it love, you call it heart center, you call it

Self, everything is the same. Thats all.

So, depending on your happiness that youre getting, Jean, in your meditation,

that joy that you getting, you will know how well youre advancing.

Jean: Hmmm!

Rajivji: The progress is based upon how much joy you are getting. How much

detached you are getting from the world. And how much happiness is growing

inside of you.

That is the real symptom (smiling), of practice, of good practice.

Jean:(Laughing)

Rajivji: These are all pointers: Come to this area, Sink here Theyre all

pointers. But the real progress is where it becomes part of your life. Joy becomes

part of your life. Happiness becomes part of your life. Nothing really disturbs you

much.

And so, as and as the joy increases, the happiness increases, it reaches toindescribable zones, where you cannot contain it anymore! It flows! Overflows!

So, when that happens, you know that Self and you, there is not much difference

in that. Of course youre all the Self only, but the realization is not very far away.

Right?

Jean: Thank you. Very good. Thank you, Rajiv.

Rajivji: Thank you, thank you.

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Question 5

Tim: My question is, and I asked you this before, I just wanted a little bit more

clarification Ed said I would keep asking and asking, and he was right! He must

be able to see the future.

Rajivji:(Chuckling)

Tim: When I do my practice, I pay attention to my sense of presence, my sense of

existence. And when I do that, sometimes it feels like it goes to the right. Theres

a tension that goes to the right of my chest, but it has nothing to do with the

emotion of love or anything like that. Its just a feeling ofbeing.

Rajivji: Exactly.

Tim: Okay. Because I thought that for the beingness to be concentrated on, the

feeling had to be love or something, but mine -

Rajivji: No, no, no, no.

Tim: Oh, okay.

Rajivji: Those are all concepts again, love and all that. Love is Self only. Heart is

only love. Joy is also Self only. All those qualities, they diminish. They just go

away. After that, after some time.

Im saying, whatever you are experiencing, whichever side, your intuitive feelings

are there you have to sink there. Automatically, things are going to be

dissolved.

Tim: Alright, thats great. Thanks Rajiv. That was all I needed (chuckling)

Rajivji: Okay. Thanks.

Tim: Okay.

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Further Explanations

Alan: I think that was a wonderful clarification today. And for me, you clarified

that we get tied up. The mind gets tied up in concepts and ideas, and we get moretied up in how to do something, rather than just doing it.

Rajivji: Exactly.

Alan: And that we can get many ideas, many concepts, many names for basically

doing the same thing. I think you clarified that this is a lot easier, and a lot

simpler to do, if we just focus on the core of actuallydoing it.

Rajivji: Exactly!

Alan: Rather than getting caught up.

Rajivji: Exactly, exactly. That is why I say that reading should be banned!

Alan:(Laughing)

Rajivji: Too much reading should be banned.

Alan:(Laughing)

Rajivji: Because what is happening, this only someone picks something else

from what one Master says, and then they say, This is what he said. Am I

practicing correctly or not? Then doubt is going to come in your mind.

But you see, only once you have reached the stage of the highest samadhi, all

those things come and settle on its own. No one Master is saying different from

the other Masters. Theyre all reaching to a point where allmeet. But were not

seeing it yet.

Alan: No. It reminds me of the game that we used to play in school, where youwould have ten children lined up, and you would pass one of them a piece of

paper with a little message in it, just a little one-liner, and that student would

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read it. And then you take it away, and you tell that student to tell the second

one

Rajivji: (Chuckling) Yeah.

Alan: And so on, down the line. And so by the time it gets down to the tenthperson, the message is totally different than what was on that piece of paper that

the first one said the second student.

Rajivji: Exactly, exactly. But thefirstone knows the message. Right?

Alan: Yes.

Rajivji: The first one knows the message. There you have to reach. There you

have to reach! Where the first one knows the message.

So be the firstman. Come back to your pure beingness. Yes, that is the idea.

Alan: Thank you.

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Rajivji: You have to put effortto bring the sinking about. Even though it is of the

mind, but we have to put that effort initially to start off with that motion.

Because so far, weve only been looking outside. Now, we have to make the effort

to come within. After you have done it repeated times, you will know that it

comes naturally to you. Then, you dont have to put effort.

So for some people, it becomes effortless already. Some people, put the effort.

Nothing wrong in putting effort. Please, put effort where required. Youre putting

effort for a good thing. So put that effort, and you will see. It will become

effortless on its own.

It may also happen sometimes that sinking is not happening only, because you

feel that you dont have to sink, you feel like just being at that time. Just being.

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So, no effort is required for that. Youre just quietly sitting in a relaxed manner.

There is no sinking which is happening. You are relaxed.

You have to understand that that is because of the fruit of sinking that you are

able to relax.

So, you should not stop your effort. When it becomes effortless, automatically you

will reach to a stage where everything has become very relaxed.

There is a food when you go to a temple after we have prayer, we get what we

call as prasadam, the prasad. Prasad means that small sweet which everybody

gives. In churches also, I dont know if it is there, but in temples we have. Every

priest gives us some prasad.

Prasad is what you enjoy after you have made the effort. It becomes effortless

later. First, please put effort everybody!

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Rajivji: There are different kinds of pressure that you will feel. Sometimes youll

feel on the chest area, like you are feeling. Some people feel on top also, on the

head, because it will become very concentrated.

So, whatever you will feel, you have to have one-pointedness, that you are going

to only focus, pay your attention to your beingness, and to the sinking. After that,

whatever happens, let it happen. Your intuition will tell you whether you need to

really focus downwards (sinking), or if you have to remain there (after sinking is

done what it had too), or whether it is that concentrated energy that is getting

gathered what you have to do in that case. Your intuition will tell you exactly,

when you reach to that. It will guide you further on its own.

I can tell you that you must try and sink as far as possible. Various kinds ofenergies are going to get trapped, right on the head or the stiffness on the chest,

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whatever. You just relax. And the more relaxed you will get, the more it is going

to get resolved sooner.

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Rajivji: One thing, very good question, Matthew, the thing is that as I said the

other day also, and I always say that this is worship.

The beingness is worship.

Its not a trade. We are not trading with divinity.

That, Okay, Im going to put two hours a day in; youve got to give me bliss!

Matthew:(Laughing) Right.

Rajivji: You know - Youre going to give me joy. Youre going to give me

Turiya. Its not going to happen that way.

Matthew: Uh-huh.

Rajivji: It is only when youre selflessly involved in worship. Unconditional.

Then it will start to flower.

So, that expectation is all of the mind. That expectation that you have to reach

somewhere, become something that all is mind only.

Matthew: Mm-hm.

Rajivji: So we should not try, as far as possible. I know it is difficult. Everybody

expects that when he is sitting, he should get something out of it, somewhere.

Matthew: Its a habit.

Rajivji: Yeah, its a habit. Its about our habit, our nature, how we have become.

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We do trade, we do business, we do everything with the intention of getting

something. And the same thing will be reflected in our meditation also. But we

dont understand that what we are doing in meditation is onlyre-connecting.

A connection has got severed. Thats all. Youre re-connecting. It is not that we

must have an attitude to gain out of it, as such. Youre not going to gain

something new. We are alreadyThat only thing, we have not realized it yet.

So, rather we should just sit in our meditation without expecting much from here,

and you will see automatically that cup of happiness within your heart will start

to fill. It will grow so much on you, that you will say, Enough, I dont want any

more bliss!(chuckling)

Matthew:(Laughing)

Rajivji: That can also come. (Laughing)

Matthew:(Laughing)Yeah, yeah.

Rajivji: Thats why I said it will overflow, that kind of overflow. That is how

divinity works. Consciousness works this way.

You ask anything from Consciousness, then you become a beggar. So, you get like

how beggars get dimes. But you behave like a king, then Consciousness rewards

you like a king. So, you have to just behave like youve got everything achievedalready. And youre sitting only worshipping that achievement.

Matthew: Very nice.

Rajivji: Right now. That much feeling you should have, not beg.

Matthew: I like that. I like the worshipping.

Rajivji: Yeah. Thats great.

Matthew: Hm.

Rajivji: Thank you.

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