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Revised transcript of evidence taken before The Select Committee on the European Union Justice and Institutions Sub-Committee E Inquiry on WORKLOAD OF THE COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION Evidence Session No. 1. Heard in Public. Questions 1 - 35 WEDNESDAY 13 OCTOBER 2010 4 pm Witness: Professor Anthony Arnull Memorandum by Professor Anthony Arnull, Barber Professor of Jurisprudence, University of Birmingham Trends in the workload of the Court of Justice of the European Union 1. Legend has it that the arrival at the Court of Justice of the first reference for a preliminary ruling 1 was greeted with the popping of champagne corks. Times have changed. The Court’s concern now is not with where its next case is coming from, but how it is going to cope with its seemingly everincreasing workload. While its situation is not as serious as that of the European Court of Human Rights, 2 the scope of the European Union’s activities and its avowed commitment to the rule of law 3 make it a cause for serious concern. 2. The Single European Act of 1986 saw the first steps to increase the capacity of the Union’s judicial system (or “judicial architecture”). That Act made provision for the General Court (then the Court of First Instance), formally established in 1988, to be attached to the Court of Justice. The growth in the workload of the Court of Justice was causing two related 1 Case 13/61 Bosch v van Rijn [1962] ECR 45, referred in 1961. 2 See the declaration issued at Interlaken, Switzerland, on 19 February 2010 by the Member States of the Council of Europe. 3 See Art 2 TEU.

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Revised transcript of evidence taken before

The Select Committee on the European Union

Justice and Institutions Sub-Committee E

Inquiry on

WORKLOAD OF THE COURT OF JUSTICE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

Evidence Session No. 1. Heard in Public. Questions 1 - 35

WEDNESDAY 13 OCTOBER 2010

4 pm

Witness: Professor Anthony Arnull

Memorandum by Professor Anthony Arnull, Barber Professor of Jurisprudence, University of Birmingham 

Trends in the workload of the Court of Justice of the European Union  1. Legend  has  it  that  the  arrival  at  the  Court  of  Justice  of  the  first  reference  for  a preliminary ruling1 was greeted with the popping of champagne corks. Times have changed. The Court’s concern now is not with where its next case is coming from, but how it is going to cope with  its seemingly ever‐increasing workload. While  its situation  is not as serious as that of the European Court of Human Rights,2 the scope of the European Union’s activities and its avowed commitment to the rule of law3 make it a cause for serious concern. 2. The Single European Act of 1986 saw  the  first steps  to  increase  the capacity of  the Union’s judicial system (or “judicial architecture”). That Act made provision for the General Court (then the Court of First Instance), formally established  in 1988, to be attached to the Court of Justice. The growth in the workload of the Court of Justice was causing two related 

1 Case 13/61 Bosch v van Rijn [1962] ECR 45, referred in 1961. 2 See the declaration issued at Interlaken, Switzerland, on 19 February 2010 by the Member States of the Council of Europe. 3 See Art 2 TEU.

problems. One was delay. In 1975, it took the Court on average six months to respond to a request for a preliminary ruling and nine months to deal with a direct action. By 1988, those figures had risen to 18 months and 24 months respectively. The concomitant pressure on the Court to deal with cases as quickly as possible was hampering its ability to look closely into their factual background. 3. The  General  Court, which  began  hearing  cases  at  the  end  of  October  1989, was intended to deal with both problems by relieving the pressure on the Court of  Justice and creating a specialised fact‐finding tribunal with particular expertise  in cases concerning the economic  effects  of  complex  factual  situations.  To  that  end  it  was  given  extensive investigatory powers  in its Rules of Procedure. The Treaties provided that the judgments of the General Court were to be subject to appeal to the Court of Justice, but only on points of law. On issues of fact the General Court’s judgments would therefore be final. 4. Since  its establishment, the  jurisdiction of the General Court has been progressively extended. The default rule now4 is that it has jurisdiction in certain specified types of direct action  unless  they  are  reserved  to  the  Court  of  Justice  in  the  Statute  or  they  have  been assigned  to a specialised court  (see para 7). The Statute may also provide  for  the General Court to have  jurisdiction  in other types of case. The relevant provisions of the Statute can be amended by the European Parliament and the Council acting  jointly under the ordinary legislative procedure. A Treaty change is not required. 5. At present, the following proceedings are reserved to the Court of Justice: (a) actions for annulment and failure to act brought by Member States against all acts or failures to act of  the Council and  the European Parliament acting  jointly, all acts or  failures  to act of  the European Parliament, most acts or failures to act of the Council and and a small category of acts  or  failures  to  act  of  the  Commission;  (b)  actions  for  annulment  and  failure  to  act brought  by  an  institution  against  the  European  Parliament,  the  Council,  both  those institutions acting jointly, the Commission and the European Central Bank;5 (c) infringement actions against Member States; and (d) references for preliminary rulings. Any of these cases could in principle be transferred to the General Court by changing the Statute. This requires the initiative to be taken by either the Court or the Commission.6 6. The growth in the jurisdiction of the General Court reflects the esteem in which it is held. The number of  appeals  to  the Court of  Justice  against  its decisions  is  relatively  low (26%  in 2009) and relatively few of those that are brought are successful (15 out of 104  in 2009).  However,  the  expansion  of  its  jurisdiction  meant  that  it  was  soon  afflicted  by workload problems of  its own.  Indeed,  it has occasionally been  criticised by  the Court of Justice for failing to complete proceedings within a reasonable time.7 7. The Member  States  therefore made  provision  at Nice  for  specialised  courts  (then known as  judicial panels)  to be “attached”  to  the General Court.8 Their  function would be “to hear and determine at  first  instance certain classes of action or proceeding brought  in specific areas.”9 The decisions of specialised courts would be subject to a right of appeal to the  General  Court  on  points  of  law  and  also,  where  the  decision  establishing  them  so provided, on questions of  fact. Decisions of  the General Court  in such cases would  in  turn 

4 See Art 256(1) TFEU. 5 See Art 51 of the Statute. 6 See Art 281 TFEU. 7 See Case C-185/95 P Baustahlgewebe v Commission [1998] ECR I-8417 and Case C-385/07 P Der Grüne Punkt v Commission, judgment of 16 July 2009. 8 See Art 220 EC. 9 See Art 225a EC.

“exceptionally be subject to review by the Court of Justice…where there  is a serious risk of the unity or consistency of Community law being affected.”10 The first specialised court, the European Union Civil Service Tribunal  (CST), was  created  in 2004  to deal with  staff  cases, which had previously represented a significant proportion of the General Court’s case  load. The CST assumed jurisdiction in December 2005, when 118 pending cases were transferred to it by the General Court. No further specialised courts have yet been established.  

The time taken to deal with cases 

8. Judicial statistics relating to the Court of Justice of the European Union are published each year on its web site. These show that the number of cases pending before the Court of Justice in 2009 was, at 741, only one higher than in 2005. Moreover, the average duration of proceedings over  that  five‐year period  fell,  as  the  following  table  shows.  (The  figures  are expressed in months and tenths of months.) It is too soon to say whether or not 2009 marks the beginning of an upward trend for references and direct actions.    2005  2006  2007  2008  2009 References  20.4  19.8 19.3 16.8  17.1Direct actions 

21.3  20.0 18.2 16.9  17.1

Appeals  20.9  17.8 17.8 18.4  15.4 9. While the time taken by the Court of Justice to deal with direct actions should not be ignored, it is the time taken to deal with appeals and particularly references for preliminary rulings which is of special concern. In both types of proceeding, the time taken by the Court of Justice has to be added to the time taken by a case at earlier stages in the procedure. With references, too much delay in Luxembourg can discourage national courts (who may be influenced by the attitude of the parties) from using a procedure which the Court of Justice has described as “the veritable cornerstone of the operation of the internal market.” 10. In the General Court, the number of pending cases rose from 1,033 in 2005 to 1,191 in 2009. With the exception of intellectual property cases (mainly challenges to decisions of the OHIM Boards of Appeal under the Union trade mark regulation), the average duration of proceedings in the General Court also rose over that period, as the following table shows. 

  2005  2006  2007  2008  2009 Intellectual property 

21.1  21.8 24.5 20.4  20.1

Appeals    7.1 16.1  16.1Other actions 

25.6  27.8 29.5 26.0  33.1

 11. The figures for staff cases have been omitted from the table above because they are now heard in the first instance by the CST. The category “other actions” consists mostly of 

10 The first such case was Case C-197/09 RX-II M v European Medicines Agency, judgment of 17 December 2009.

annulment actions, but it also includes a not insignificant group of “special forms of procedure” (taxation of costs, legal aid, rectification of judgments and the like). 12. The number of cases pending before the CST rose from 130 in 2005 (its first year of operation) to a peak of 235 in 2007 before falling back to 175 in 2009. The average duration of proceedings in 2009 for new cases brought before the CST (i.e. not including cases initially brought before the General Court) was 17.7 months. It is probably too soon to identify any significant trends here.  Possible measures for improving the speed with which cases are handled  13. The above figures suggest that, of the three constituent parts of the Court of Justice of the European Union, it is the General Court which is currently under the greatest pressure of work. That pressure may be exacerbated by new types of case made possible by the Treaty of Lisbon which fall within the jurisdiction of the General Court. They include: (a) proceedings for annulment and failure to act brought against the European Council and bodies, offices and agencies of the Union; and (b) proceedings for annulment brought by the Committee of the Regions. 14. If the Member States were so minded, this could be tackled in two ways. Neither would require an amendment to the Treaties, but both would have budgetary implications. (a) The General Court currently consists of 27 Judges, one per Member State. However, Article 19 TEU envisages that it might comprise more Judges than there are Member States. This means that additional Judges could be created to expand the capacity of the General Court. This would require an amendment to the Statute. (b) It would also be possible for new specialised courts to be established. This is done by regulation adopted under the ordinary legislative procedure. The process would have to be initiated by either the Court of Justice or the Commission.11 Both the present and the previous Presidents of the General Court have asked for this step to be taken to help deal with intellectual property cases. 15. The workload of the Court of Justice is likely to be affected in the coming years by increasing familiarity with Union law in the Member States which acceded in 2004 and 2007. The year 2009 was the first in which references were made by courts in all 12 of the States concerned. It may be anticipated that this process will gather momentum. The Treaty of Lisbon is also likely to have a significant effect on the workload of the Court of Justice, perhaps more so than on that of the General Court. The attribution of binding force to the Charter of Fundamental Rights12 and, in due course, Union accession to the European Convention on Human Rights13 can be expected to increase the volume of challenges to national measures giving effect to Union law on the ground that such rights have been infringed. The extension of the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice over the so‐called Area of Freedom, Security and Justice (AFSJ) also has major implications for its workload. 16. The provisions on the AFSJ used to be split between Title IV of Part Three of the EC Treaty and Title VI (the so‐called third pillar) of the TEU. The Court’s jurisdiction over both Titles was limited. The official reason for this was to shield it from the number of cases the AFSJ was thought likely to generate. At Lisbon, the provisions on the AFSJ were expanded and brought together in Title V of Part Three of the TFEU and made subject almost entirely to the classic powers of the Court of Justice. These provisions may in time generate 

11 Art 257 TFEU. 12 See Art 6(1) TEU. 13 See Art 6(2) TEU.

significant volumes of litigation in the national courts in particular in areas like asylum, immigration and judicial cooperation in criminal matters. Many of those cases could eventually be referred to the Court of Justice. Some will raise questions as to the effect of the Charter of Fundamental Rights. Some will need to be dealt with urgently. Indeed, the TFEU requires this to be done in cases involving people in custody.14 17. This will not happen immediately. During a transitional period of five years, the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice over third pillar acts adopted before the Lisbon Treaty entered into force will remain as it was pre‐Lisbon.15 But the problem will in due course have to be confronted. There seems little further that could be done to expedite references. The Court’s Rules of Procedure already contain various provisions for truncating the process in straightforward or urgent cases. The most drastic is Article 104b, which was introduced in 2008 and applies only to references relating to the AFSJ. It reduces the class of those who are entitled to submit written observations (excluding Member States other than the one from which the reference has been made), normally requires such observations to be submitted within exceptionally short deadlines and provides for the written part of the procedure to be omitted entirely “in cases of extreme urgency”. It also limits the involvement of the Advocate General, who is heard but does not deliver a formal Opinion. 18. Because it is relatively obvious how the capacity of the General Court could be increased, references therefore represent the real bottleneck. A way needs to be found of reducing the burden they impose on the Court of Justice without damaging the procedure itself or the confidence which national courts have in it. The key is to find a way of sharing with the General Court the burden they currently impose on the Court of Justice. 19. Article 256(3) TFEU permits the General Court to be given jurisdiction to give preliminary rulings “in specific areas laid down by the Statute.” This in part reflects the principle of the lawful judge (juge légal or gesetzlicher Richter), according to which the identity of the court having jurisdiction in a case must be known in advance. However, many references cut across several areas of Union law. Even if “specific areas” were defined, a case falling predominantly within one of them might still go to the Court of Justice because it touched on an area not specified in the Statute. This possibility might even influence the questions asked by national courts. Another difficulty is that, even if a case were concerned only with one area of Union law, that would not give any reliable indication of its difficulty or importance. A third problem is that the Treaty rules out allocating references according to the status of the referring court. Admittedly, this is no guide to the importance of a case either. Moreover, cases which are referred by top national courts simply because the Treaty requires them to do so may prove more straightforward than cases referred by lower courts. However, such a criterion might be thought justifiable on grounds of judicial comity: some top national courts might avoid using the procedure if references they made were not dealt with by the Court of Justice itself. A further constraint is that, while the Treaty provides for the General Court to forward important references directly to the Court of Justice and for the Court of Justice exceptionally to review preliminary rulings given by the General Court,16 it does not permit the Court of Justice itself to call in at the outset a reference falling in principle within the jurisdiction of the General Court. 

14 See Art 267 TFEU, fourth paragraph. 15 The UK has in principle opted out of the AFSJ. Moreover, it may refuse to accept the extension of the powers of the Court to pre‐Lisbon third pillar acts. If it does this, such acts will cease to apply to it when the transitional period expires. 16 See Art 256(3) TFEU.

20. A renewed effort needs to be made to crack this nut. A treaty amendment should not be ruled out. Although the Member States made it clear in December 2007 that they expected “no change in the foreseeable future” to the Lisbon settlement, they had by the time the new Treaty entered into force accepted two changes17 and later agreed to a third.18 The Treaty of Nice showed that technical changes to the treaty provisions on the Union Courts may prove uncontroversial at an IGC once agreed at the level of officials. The limited extent of the amendments necessary would probably mean that a Convention would not need to be convened.19 21. Nothing should be done that might undermine the relationship the Court of Justice has worked so hard to establish with the national courts or to discourage them from making references in appropriate cases. However, there should be an acceptance that the General Court can safely be permitted to deal with references raising important questions. Consideration should be given to amending the first paragraph of Article 256(3) TFEU so that it permits references to be transferred to the General Court “under the conditions laid down in the Statute.” This would leave the details to be worked out later and make it possible for the cases affected to be defined by reference to their sub‐matter or the identity of the referring court. 22. Consideration might also be given to permitting the Court of Justice to operate some form of filtering system, either to call in references which fall in principle within the jurisdiction of the General Court or to transfer to the General Court references which fall in principle within the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice. Such a mechanism could be used after an initial appraisal of the difficulty or importance of a case or to coordinate the response to references raising similar issues made at more or less the same time by different national courts. Any objections to such a reform based on the principle of the lawful judge should not be insurmountable. That principle is not universally recognised in the Member States. In any event, a reform of this nature would not seem to represent any more of a departure from it than the existing provision permitting the General Court to forward significant references directly to the Court of Justice. Moreover, under Article 19 TEU, the Court of Justice and the General Court are now simply constituent parts of a single institution, the Court of Justice of the European Union. 23. Another possibility would be to permit the Council, the Commission or a Member State to request the Court of Justice to rule on provisions interpreted by the General Court, in response to references from national courts, in a way which the party making the request considered inconsistent with Union law or the case law of the Court of Justice. A precedent for such a procedure is provided by the now‐defunct Article 68(3) EC, which was itself based on Article 4 of the Protocol on the interpretation by the Court of Justice of the Brussels Convention. In both cases, the retrospective effect of the ruling of the Court of Justice was limited. 

17 See the Decision of the Heads of State or Government on the concerns of the Irish people on the Treaty of Lisbon (June 2009) and the agreement that the protocol on the effect on the UK and Poland of the Charter of Fundamental Rights should be extended to the Czech Republic (October 2009), both of which will be addressed when the next accession treaty is signed. 18 An increase in the size of the European Parliament for the remainder of the 2009-14 term, consequent on the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon, was approved at a brief IGC dealt with at Permanent Representative level on 23 June 2010. The increase must be ratified by the Member States in order to take effect: see Art 48(4) TEU. Provision for the UK to do so is to be made in the forthcoming European Union Bill. 19 A simple majority decision of the European Council to that effect and the consent of the European Parliament would be needed: see Art 48(3) TEU.

24. In order for changes of this sort to be made, an amendment of the third paragraph of Article 256(3) TFEU would seem necessary. Such an amendment could either set out the details of the new mechanism(s) being introduced or simply provide for the details to be laid down in the Statute. If the latter course were chosen, the amendment could be couched in very general terms. 25. Finally, consideration might be given to conferring on the General Court jurisdiction in infringement actions against Member States. These accounted for 142 of the 143 direct actions brought before the Court of Justice in 2009 and are not inherently difficult. Such a change would merely require an amendment to the Statute. A potential obstacle is that this would probably involve accepting that the General Court should have the power to impose financial penalties on defaulting Member States under Article 260(2) and (3) TFEU.    23 September 2010  This evidence is submitted on an individual basis.  

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Members present:

Lord Bowness (Chairman) Lord Boyd of Duncansby Lord Dykes Lord Kerr of Kinlochard Lord Maclennan of Rogart The Earl of Sandwich Lord Temple-Morris Lord Wright of Richmond

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Examination of Witnesses

Witness: Professor Anthony Arnull, Barber Professor of Jurisprudence, University of

Birmingham

Q1 Chairman: Professor Arnull, thank you very much indeed for coming to help us with

this inquiry that we are conducting into the European Court of Justice. We are very grateful.

Can I just say for the record that members of the Committee with relevant interests will

declare them, and, indeed, that they are set out in the Register of Lords’ Interests? Speaking

for myself, I have nothing beyond what is in the register of interests. As you know, this

session is on the record. It is being webcast live and will be accessible on the parliamentary

website. We will of course send you a transcript of the evidence for you to check and

correct, and it will be put on the public record and on the website straightaway. So first, may

I ask you, again for the record, whether you would state your name and official title, and if

you would like to make an opening statement, to do so?

Professor Arnull: Thank you, My Lord Chairman. My name is Anthony Arnull and I am

Barber Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of Birmingham. I do not wish to make a

statement by way of opening remarks, but I would like to indicate that I should like to say a

word or two about the possibility of filtering appeals from the General Court to the Court

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of Justice at some point. It is something I did not deal with in my written evidence, but I

think it may crop up in response to questions.

Q2 Chairman: Fine. I have made a note of that, and if it does not crop up during

questions, we will make sure that it does crop up before you leave. When we had another

discussion on this matter, it was pointed out to us that there is a balance to be struck

between speed of delivery in the courts and the quality of the work of the Court. How do

you see that at the present time? How is that balance struck at present in the existing

Court? Is it right or should it be different?

Professor Arnull: Of course I entirely agree that there is a balance to be struck. There are

two extreme ends of the spectrum, if you like. You have the requirement in the European

Convention on Human Rights that the courts must provide a fair trial within a reasonable

period—that is one extreme—but it is also necessary for courts to deliver judgments in

which users of the courts can have confidence. As you suggest, striking the right balance

between speed and quality is a difficult thing to do.

There are three reasons I would give for suggesting that perhaps the balance is not quite

satisfactory in Luxembourg at the moment. The General Court has, on a couple of

occasions, been found by the Court of Justice not to have delivered decisions within a

reasonable time. The time taken by the ECJ to respond to references from national courts is

almost universally regarded as too long, and there is growing criticism and a sense of

growing dissatisfaction with the quality of some of the judgments given by the European

Court of Justice. So those factors do suggest that perhaps the balance is not being struck in

quite the right place.

Q3 Chairman: Do you think that criticisms of the quality of the judgments arise because

presumably people feel that they are delivered too quickly or because not enough time is

taken?

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Professor Arnull: Yes, I think those who take this view would say that the reasoning of the

Court is sometimes not set out in sufficient detail to explain why significant new departures

have been taken and to explain to the Court’s interlocutors what the implications of those

new developments might be in future cases.

Q4 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Why do you think that is? It seems implausible that it is

just that they are moving too fast. Is it that not enough of the wisdom in the Court is being

applied to a particular case? Is it that the judge from the member state where the case has

arisen may no longer be among those involved in preparing the judgment of the Court? Is it

that the Court is becoming factionalised in order to maintain a rapid pace?

Professor Arnull: I should make it clear perhaps that I am not certain how much I subscribe

to this view, but it is a view that one hears and I think there might be something in it. I do

not think that it is to do necessarily with the absence of a judge of a particular nationality in

the formation of judgment. I think it may be to do with the way in which cases are handled. I

think what happens in the Court of Justice is that judges need to work up a case at several

different junctures. They will work it up for one purpose—say, the administrative meeting—

and then they will drop it and go and work on other cases. Then they will have to work it up

again for the hearing, and then they drop it while the Advocate-General goes off and

prepares his opinion. Then, when the opinion is delivered, they work it up again. That

fractured process of considering the case may have an impact on the quality of the outcome.

From the point of view of the pressure of work, it may be that they no longer feel that—as

David Edward put it in an article some years ago—that each judgment is the product of

mature reflection. They are constantly having to examine quite difficult issues and there is

pressure on them to come to a decision quickly and then to express their decision in a

concise way. As you know, there are no dissenting judgments in the Court. My own view is

that that is a good thing actually, but there are people who argue that there should be

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dissenting judgments. The argument of those who advocate dissenting judgments is that if

you do not allow dissent, it increases the pressure on the Court to produce a text that

accommodates all the different strands of opinion, and the result may be a line of reasoning

that is not as clear and single-minded as it would be if you were only trying to encapsulate

the view of the majority.

Q5 Chairman: Can I just follow up on the point about the quality of judgments? One of

the submissions that we received queries the use of chambers of three judges. It talks about

putting a lot of power in the hands of individual judges, and that there is less room for wider

deliberation. Is that a factor?

Professor Arnull: I would think that the smaller the chamber, in fact, the clearer the

judgment might be, because the possibility of there being diverse strands of opinion that you

need to bring together in a single judgment is reduced the fewer the judges there are.

Three-judge chambers tend to be used for the simpler cases. If you required every case to

be heard by a five-judge chamber or larger, that would exacerbate the problem of the time

taken to dispose of cases and issues of workload and delay. I do not see three-judge

chambers as inherently problematic. It is undoubtedly the case that some judges will have

more influence within the Court than others. This is to do with the personal dynamics of the

Court, and possibly the fact that the Court works in a language that will be the first language

of only a limited number of members. And so if you have a powerful personality on the

Court and one of his or her first languages is French, they may be able to exercise more

influence than somebody who is less proficient in French. We may come on to languages

later. I do not see a solution to that, given that the Court needs to have a working language;

it has to be something.

Q6 Lord Maclennan of Rogart: Professor Arnull, it has been suggested to us that one

way of reducing the burden on the Court might be to enable it to act more like the United

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States Supreme Court by avoiding highly technical, narrow issues such as the interpretation

of VAT directive references, and by filtering out cases that it does not regard as necessary to

ensure the appropriate level of uniformity of EU law. In your submission, you addressed the

question of possible filtering out. I wondered whether you would like to expand on what

you said. We are dealing with something slightly different.

Professor Arnull: Yes, certainly. There are two possible filters that could be considered.

One would be the sort of filter that you are talking about, which is to do with references

from national courts. In the questions I was sent, there was a reference to cases on VAT

directives as an example of the sort of case that might be filtered out. The type of filter I was

alluding to at the outset was a filter on appeals to the European Court of Justice from the

General Court.

I will deal first with references. I am pretty clear in my own mind that a filter on references

from national courts would be undesirable, because it would have the effect of discouraging

national courts from using the preliminary rulings procedure, which has played a crucial part

in the development of the Union’s legal order. If we take VAT cases, VAT cases may appear

technical—they certainly appear technical to me. Nevertheless, they are of considerable

fiscal and commercial importance. They have, in the past, raised important issues about the

effect of directives that are applicable more broadly to cases before the court. It would not

be true to say that because they are technical, they can be treated as less important than

other cases that may appear to be less technical. Once the national court has gone to the

trouble of making a reference to the ECJ, for the ECJ then to look at the case and say,

“Sorry, this case is a bit technical”, or, “I don’t think it's very important, go away and decide

it yourself”, would give out entirely the wrong signal and might discourage courts from

making references in less technical cases in future. My preference for references, as I made

clear in my written evidence, would be to involve the General Court and it would be for

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debate whether VAT cases were a suitable category of case to assign to the General Court

for responding to references.

The type of filter that I mentioned at the outset would be a filter on appeals to the Court of

Justice from the General Court. There is a significant number of such appeals. They are

generally unsuccessful, and I think there is a case for introducing a requirement that

permission should be sought either from the General Court or from the Court of Justice

before an appeal is allowed to proceed. That could be done by means of an amendment to

the Statute. It would be out of keeping with some legal traditions in which the possibility of

bringing an appeal is regarded as a subjective right of the parties rather than something that

ought to be the subject of the exercise of discretion by a court. I can see that objection

being raised, but to people who have been brought up in the common law tradition, where

leave to appeal is widely accepted, it does not seem problematic in principle.

Q7 Lord Maclennan of Rogart: I will respond quickly on the first point you answered:

that no issue is too small to be considered by the Court if the national court wishes it to be

handled in that way.

Professor Arnull: I think it would be lovely if we could devise a test that enabled you to tell

at the outset whether an issue was a small one. One of the lessons of the case law of the

Court of Justice is that apparently small issues can actually raise issues of profound

importance. We have all heard of the cases of Costa v ENEL and Van Gend en Loos, which

might have appeared at the outset to be small issues, and of course they gave rise to issues

about direct effect and primacy. I think that it is still possible. I entirely agree that if we could

identify the small issues and set them apart, then that would be very convenient, but I am

not confident that it can be done.

Q8 Lord Temple-Morris: I would just like to enlarge this a little bit, if I may, because

there are so many issues that we are dealing with of a very specific nature, and in reality a

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very small part of the whole. When you look at the whole here, it seems to me that the

more one sees—certainly since this committee has come on to the subject—of the dreadful

difficulties within the European Union of conducting a Union without a form of sovereignty

that can drive things through. That is what I really wanted to ask you. It seems to me that

the affairs we are discussing are not going to exactly be riveting when it comes to the heads

of state meeting in council. Indeed much of it is going to be done by officials. Where is the

pushing power here? How can one get something done? I mean, if we write a wonderful

report, it will be taken into consideration together with all sorts of others. David Edward

has written a lot of extremely good stuff about this—it is all there—and you yourself, too.

How do we get about it? What do we do? How do we move somebody? How do we get

them interested in a body, incidentally, that is so disparate in its nationalities and its

languages and does not even control its own procedures?

Professor Arnull: You put your finger on some serious problems. The Court did have some

success in forcing issues surrounding what we call judicial architecture on to the agenda

before the Nice Treaty. The initiative there was taken partly by the Court itself, which

published an influential discussion document, and partly by the Commission, which set up a

working group under the chairmanship of a former president of the court, Judge Due. Those

two documents did seem to produce an effect. There were major reforms to the judicial

architecture of the Union agreed at Nice—not, apparently, at the level of heads of state and

government, but at the level of officials, who managed to agree a set of changes which the

heads of state and government were willing to agree without further discussion. Now, in a

sense, that is an encouraging sign because it would suggest the possibility of including some

permissive changes to the treaties to permit further reform, and it might be realistic to

envisage that that could be done without requiring heads of state and government to

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immerse themselves in an issue which they certainly do see as less politically important than

other ones.

Q9 Lord Boyd of Duncansby: In your reply to Lord Maclennan you reiterated what you

set out in paragraph 21 of your evidence in relation to not discouraging national courts to

make references to the ECJ, but you put it, really, in the context of undermining the

relationship between the Court of Justice and the national court. Perhaps I can put a counter

argument to you just for your comment. If one of the objectives is to try and ease the

pressure, to some extent at least, on the European Court of Justice, is one of the ways

perhaps to say, first of all, that European law has been established over the years and is now

more fixed than it certainly was when the Community was first established; and, secondly,

that national courts themselves are more used to dealing with European law; and that there

might be a case for saying to national courts, “Actually you should take more responsibility

for deciding these cases, and you do not need to come to the European Court of Justice on

a preliminary reference on the number of occasions that you do”? What is your reaction to

that?

Professor Arnull: I would have no objection at all to advice of an informal type encouraging

national courts, other than courts of last resort, to decide more questions of Community

law—Union law, as we should now say—for themselves, or encouraging them to exercise

restraint before making a reference to the Court of Justice. I think that in practice the delay

which a reference entails sometimes does cause them to think twice anyway. What I would

be less enthusiastic about would be the idea of enshrining that advice in some sort of formal

rule which might have the effect of discouraging the courts from making references when a

reference really needs to be made. It is true that some of the basic principles of Union law

are now well established, but Union law continues to expand. There are important issues

arising out of the Treaty of Lisbon to which we do not know quite what the answers are

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going to be. The legal system is developing rapidly and there is going to be a need for

guidance from the ECJ on precisely what the implications of those developments are. Also, I

would not be comfortable with a system which distinguished between national courts

according to how long the member state in which they were situated had been a member.

We have a body of courts in 12 member states which were not in the Union before 2004.

We need a system which does not tell them something different from what courts in the

older member states are being told. It is also the case that, although the tentacles of Union

law are reaching more and more widely, in many national courts of general jurisdiction, even

in the older member states, points of Union law do not crop up that often. When they do

crop up, those courts need to feel that they can make a reference if they need help.

Q10 Lord Boyd of Duncansby: If I may follow that up, I understand what you are saying

and accept much of it, but it might be suggested that, in fact—certainly in common law

countries—we are well used to systems of getting leave or special leave to go to the higher

court through appeal or even bringing judicial review proceedings, where, in England, you

would require leave to do so. That is a short rehearsal of the points that might be made. If

one of the tests is whether Union law is acte clair, presumably there is a mechanism by which

a small panel of judges in the ECJ could decide, “This is something that we should deal with”,

or, “We think that actually the law is clear; it is for the national court now to go ahead and

apply it”.

Professor Arnull: I would say that the ECJ is not a superior court in the preliminary rulings

procedure. The ECJ is a partner with the national court in trying to find a solution to the

case which is compatible with the requirements of Union law. I repeat something that I said

earlier. The national court might go to the trouble of identifying a possible question but it

may not be feasible then to take that to the Court of Justice, even on an application for

leave, without setting the national legal background and the facts in which the question has

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arisen—in the United Kingdom, in England anyway, it would involve consulting counsel for

the parties about what the question to the court should actually be. The question would

then to go to Luxembourg for some sort of legal hearing but the court might say, “Actually,

we think that the point is acte clair, or it is not important enough to trouble us with”. If that

happened, the next time that such a point arose, the national court might think, “We had a

pretty bad experience. It was quite an abrupt thing, a brusque thing, to be told that the

question which we had been struggling with did not merit the attention of the Court of

Justice”. That is why I am opposed to any sort of filter at that stage. I would rather involve

the General Court.

Q11 Lord Boyd of Duncansby: One very quick question. Would you make any

distinction between the court of last resort and other more junior courts, if that is the right

expression?

Professor Arnull: Well, the distinction is made by the Treaty, of course, because courts of

last resort have an obligation to refer. The obligation is qualified, as you indicated, in cases of

so-called acte clair. My own view is that the acte clair doctrine has certain dangers because it

enables national courts of last resort simply to ignore their obligation to refer by presenting

something as, or by persuading themselves that something is, acte clair when it actually might

not be. So there is a distinction and that is where I would draw it.

Q12 Chairman: While we are talking about references, in your written evidence you talk

about the problem of references and describe them as representing the real bottleneck. You

say, “A renewed effort needs to be made to crack this nut. A treaty amendment should not

be ruled out”. You may have touched on this in answer to an earlier question but, clearly,

major treaty amendments are not likely to be countenanced in the near future. Is this

something that you think could be done by the simplified procedure? Perhaps you could just

help us precisely with what the specific changes are that you would like to see.

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Professor Arnull: Well, I think that I indicated some specific changes. What I am generally in

favour of is changes that don’t set out the detail of a reform to the structure in the Treaty

itself but which give a power to the institutions to introduce changes by means of an

alteration to the Statute. That is largely the technique which was used at Nice and the

advantage of course is the flexibility that it introduces. The disadvantage is that you are

giving a power to the institutions to make changes to the institutional structure of the Union

that do not require ratification by the member states. But I think, as a member of the

Committee suggested earlier, that the sorts of changes that we are talking about are largely

technical; they are not the stuff of great political controversy—for example, giving the

possibility to the Court to filter appeals from the General Court or giving the Court of

Justice a role in filtering references. If the General Court’s right to give preliminary rulings

were to be implemented, you might have a system where you identify some cases which

might go to the General Court on a reference and some which might go to the Court of

Justice. Now you might want a system where the Court of Justice looks at all references that

come in and says, “Actually this one, which in principle we ought to deal with, can safely go

to the General Court”, or conversely, “Actually it’s a case that’s gone to the General Court

and is in principle within the General Court’s jurisdiction, but we think we ought to deal

with it”. That might be something worth exploring. My suggestion is that it ought to be

possible for that type of almost case-management device to be introduced by means of an

amendment to the Statute, without the need to go through a treaty revision procedure. The

Lisbon Treaty has introduced a variety of different treaty amendment procedures, as you

know. This would need to be the second most elaborate of the treaty amendment

procedures. In other words, it would require ratification by the member states, but it would

not require a convention to be called.

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Q13 Lord Wright of Richmond: You have probably answered my question, which is

whether there is always likely to be, from your understanding of the way the court works, at

least one challenger saying, “I’m sorry. I think that, although these sound perfectly sensible

proposals, they really will require amendment to the treaty”. That raises all sorts of very

difficult political questions in many countries, not excluding this one.

Professor Arnull: Yes, I think that some of the changes that I have suggested in my written

evidence would probably be incompatible with the Treaty as it is presently drafted. That is

why I suggest that a change might be needed. The idea of a general enabling clause is to make

it possible for the views of objectors to be heard in the debate on the substance but also to

make it possible for that debate to take place away from an intergovernmental conference

and in the Council or the European Parliament.

Q14 Earl Sandwich: Going back to the increasing workload, you touch on the need for a

new specialist tribunal, which a lot of people have mentioned. You mentioned it, but you do

not necessarily support it in your evidence, so could you expand on that? Do you think that

it would be limited to trademark appeals or should it be extended to intellectual property?

You mentioned the increasing number of cases in the area of freedom, justice and security.

How is the court going to look forward to dealing with that?

Professor Arnull: On the question of a new specialised court, I think that if what I am

suggesting were to materialise—that is, the involvement of the General Court in dealing with

preliminary rulings—one would have to do something about relieving the General Court of

some other area of its responsibility. Presidents of the General Court have suggested the

establishment of a specialised court to deal with intellectual property cases. In 2009, the

number of intellectual property cases brought before the General Court substantially

exceeded the number of staff cases brought before the Civil Service Tribunal. That has been

the case going back to 2007 and the gap between them is getting wider. It is pretty clear that

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there would be enough work for a new specialised court if its jurisdiction were limited to

the intellectual property cases which the General Court currently handles. Of course, if one

were going to set one up, one would have to decide how many judges it would have. The

Civil Service Tribunal has seven. The number of judges in an intellectual property tribunal

would be a matter for debate, but, in principle and judging by the figures at the moment, I

think that there ought to be enough work for it if its jurisdiction were limited. Whether it

should have a wider intellectual property jurisdiction is questionable. It would not be

realistic at this stage to envisage that it might deal with preliminary rulings on intellectual

property cases in national courts even if it were possible to isolate the intellectual property

issues from cases which might raise other issues as well. The arrangements for the EU

patent, which are currently the subject of a request for an opinion from the Court of Justice,

do not envisage any role for a specialised court at the moment. That might be considered in

the future. I would be thinking in terms of a specialised court limited to the intellectual

property jurisdiction of the General Court, partly as a way of relieving pressure on the

general court and partly as a way of ensuring that those cases are dealt with by IP specialists.

Chairman: And Freedom, Security and Justice?

Professor Arnull: Indeed, thank you for reminding me. There is no doubt that the Area of

Freedom, Security and Justice is going to generate a significant body of new case law. That

case law will be difficult and important. It is going to raise issues which the Court of Justice

has not been used to dealing with in quite the same numbers as before, such as issues

involving individuals in difficult circumstances who may be in custody. There will be issues

about the effect of the Charter of Fundamental Rights. If the Union accedes to the ECHR,

the Court of Justice will be very keen to avoid being rapped over the knuckles by the

Strasbourg Court, so I think those cases will really have to stay with the Court of Justice.

The Court of Justice has an urgent preliminary rulings procedure which applies only to AFSJ

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cases and which so far has enabled it to respond much more quickly than it would be able to

under the normal procedure. Of course, the Treaty will require it to respond quickly in

cases involving people in custody. I think that the AFSJ will pose a problem in terms of

workload for the Court but I do not see there being any other tribunal which would be

suitable for dealing with those cases.

Q15 Lord Wright of Richmond: Professor, you have referred already to the problem

of languages, particularly for those for whom French is not their first language. To what

extent does the use of French and the need to translate everything into French create

bottlenecks and is there some politically acceptable way in which you think these

bottlenecks could be reduced? I am sorry, I said politically acceptable; I mean legally

acceptable.

Professor Arnull: That is a nice distinction; let us just say “acceptable”. I think it is inevitable

that the Court will have a working language. There has to be a language that the Court can

conduct discussions in in which all its members are conversant, and for historical reasons

that language is French. Rumour has it that English is sometimes used in all discussions where

it is more convenient for the members of the formation of judgment to use English. There

may be a case for changing to English as the working language, but the consequence of doing

that would be similar; you would still have one language which some people spoke better

than others. There are practical difficulties with switching to English as well in that I am told

it is more difficult to find suitably qualified translators whose mother tongue is English than it

is to find suitably qualified translators whose mother tongue is French. There would also be

legal cultural implications. A report was published by a committee of the Assemblée

Nationale in France some years ago examining the declining use of French in Community

institutions. In relation to the Court of Justice, the report said that if the Court of Justice

started to draft judgments in English, the effect might be to make the judgments more like

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the judgments of a common law court. Those who have been educated in the common law

system might welcome that, but not everybody has been educated in that system so some

might not welcome it. I do not say that would be a good thing or a bad thing; I am simply

suggesting that it might not be just a question of switching the language but might have

substantive implications which one might want to think about.

Q16 Lord Wright of Richmond: But in so far as the present system actually creates

bottlenecks, can you think of ways of reducing those bottlenecks?

Professor Arnull: Well, it is very difficult. National courts have to be able to make

references in their own languages. The judgments and the Advocates-General’s opinions

have to be available in all the languages. There have been reforms. I have no doubt that the

Court of Justice is very alive to this problem and has thought a lot about it. That was

particularly so in the run-up to the 2004 and 2007 enlargements. Things have been done. I

have noted down a couple of them. For example, national orders for reference are no

longer routinely translated into the official languages of all the member states as they used to

be. The judge rapporteur no longer produces a report where there is no hearing, as is quite

common. We have a form of selective publication now in the European Court Reports, but

the language regime of the Courts is politically sensitive. The language regime of the

proposed EU patent is politically sensitive and is holding the whole thing up. The languages

which the Court uses are important to its legitimacy, so I have no answers I am afraid, but it

is a problem, yes.

Chairman: Before you answer the second part of the question, I think that Lord Temple-

Morris wanted to pursue this point.

Q17 Lord Temple-Morris: I will restrict my question to this point, Lord Chairman. It

seems to me fantastic that one cannot make more progress than has been made.

Somewhere along the line, political sensitivities have got to be overcome. I come back to the

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point that perhaps the political will is somewhat lacking. The extent of the problem that

David Edwards told us about in writing is incredible. Translation is required at five separate

stages of the procedure, and the case cannot formally proceed to the next stage until the

necessary translations have been completed. On average, translation consumes about seven

months of the total time taken to process a reference; one-third of the average total time. It

is not really good enough, is it? Do you think it is a goer that we are going to get some

change in this area, or should we concentrate perhaps on other parts of the procedure?

Professor Arnull: If the EU patent is anything to go by, it is not a goer.

Lord Temple-Morris: That is what I wanted to know.

Professor Arnull: My sense is that one could spend an enormous amount of energy trying to

get the language regime changed, with very little to show for it in the end. I have never been

personally involved in trying to manage the translation process. The Court has a head of

translation, who might be somebody worth speaking to about whether, given the languages

that the Court works in, there is a better way of managing the process. It is not clear that

we could reduce the number of languages at least at the stages of translating the Advocate-

General's opinions and the judgments, and of dealing with references from national courts.

There is at least a core of documents that will have to be available in all languages.

Q18 Lord Maclennan of Rogart: Further to your remark about the legal culture and

the interpretation of English as being the importation of common law, is that really a serious

point or is it just being bandied around by those who want to stick to French? We have had

to import into this country a kind of language that is not related to common-law, in treaties

and from the European Court of Human Rights.

Professor Arnull: I think there might actually be something in it. There is a distinctive style

that judgments in civil law courts adopt. They are sometimes very terse and are presented as

if they are leading inexorably to a conclusion. They are telling you what the law is, rather

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than trying to persuade you of the rightness of the conclusion that they have come to. If the

judgments were written in English, there might be a move away from that terse, syllogistic

style towards the less formal, more free-flowing style – almost an advocate’s style - of a

common-law judgement. We in this country would probably welcome that, because we are

used to working with that sort of judgment. It might be a good thing for the Court of Justice,

but views may differ on that. I speak as someone trained in the common-law system. People

brought up in other systems will have their own views, but I think there might be something

in it.

Q19 Lord Dykes: You referred to not being sufficiently conversant in the managerial

aspects of this, and the practical reduction exercise that might be available. I hope you will

forgive an amateur question from a non-expert. You talked about the automaticity of the

translation system into all or most languages on a running basis. When particular cases come

forward, is it possible to get some kind of preliminary agreement from the direct parties to

the action or investigation on a limit on the number of languages? Can that not be done for a

particular item?

Professor Arnull: That might be possible for particular pleadings, but for the basic core that

I referred to, it is not a matter for the parties but a question of the public interest.

Lord Dykes: And the Administration.

Professor Arnull: Yes – and accessibility to the work of the court.

Chairman: Before Lord Wright asks his question, I will just check that Professor Arnull is

all right for time. We indicated that the session would last for about an hour. If we

endeavour to finish by 5.15 pm, would that be all right or would that cause you difficulty?

Professor Arnull: That would be fine.

Q20 Lord Wright of Richmond: I think we can deal with this question quickly because

you have already referred to it both in your written evidence and in what has been

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discussed. The question is this: are there any obvious rule changes that would relieve the

pressure on either the Court of Justice or the General Court? This is probably the

opportunity for you to say anything more you want to about the filtering of appeals.

Professor Arnull: I do not think I want to say anything more about the filtering of appeals

unless I have not made clear the sort of system I had in mind. I am afraid I cannot think of

any obvious changes to the rules of procedure.

The rules of procedure have undergone some fairly radical changes in recent years, and I

have noted just a few of them. There are now expedited procedures for dealing with

virtually all types of proceeding—direct actions, appeals and references from national

courts—and the expedited procedures involve derogating from the procedural rules which

are normally applicable. That is a significant departure from earlier versions of the rules of

procedure where derogation, as opposed to giving priority, was not permitted. The Court

now has a significantly enlarged power to deal with references by reasoned order and it is

now possible for the hearing and even the opinion of the Advocate-General to be dispensed

with. So there have been quite radical changes to the rules of procedure. Whether any

obvious ones are left now, for myself, I doubt it.

Q21 Lord Wright of Richmond: In paragraph 23 of your paper you say that another

possibility would be to permit the Council, the Commission or a Member State to request

the Court of Justice to rule on provisions interpreted by the General Court. To what extent

would you regard that as an important change?

Professor Arnull: That would require a treaty change or would have to fall within an

enabling power which would permit it to be done by amendment to the Statute.

Lord Wright of Richmond: So it has not been able to push it forward.

Professor Arnull: There was such a power in the EC Treaty before it was amended at

Lisbon, so there is a precedent. The suggestion is that it is a way of allaying fears that the

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General Court cannot be trusted with preliminary rulings. The idea is that if the General

Court had a preliminary rulings jurisdiction and delivered a decision or a series of decisions

which the Council, the Commission or a Member State felt was out of line, they could take

the point to the Court of Justice and ask it to rule. That would put the General Court right;

it would correct the case law. But it is more than just a procedural change.

Q22 Lord Dykes: On log jams and delays, I was concerned to see that there are

particular and repeated delays in competition and state aid cases. Are there obvious

solutions to this problem?

Professor Arnull: The short answer to that is no, there are no obvious changes.

Competition cases are often commercially important, and often factually and economically

complex. The Court of Justice used to be criticised for not scrutinising sufficiently closely

the Commission’s decisions. That was one of the reasons why the General Court was

established. The General Court has addressed the issue and does scrutinise Commission

decisions pretty closely. There have been some notable cases, particularly in the field of

merger control, where decisions of the Commission have been quashed. But, of course,

subjecting the decisions of the Commission to close scrutiny takes time.

There is an expedited procedure available to the General Court that it uses quite frequently

in competition cases, which can result in significant time saving. For example, cases might be

decided in less than a year instead of two, three or four years, but that procedure, which

involves simplified pleadings and greater emphasis on the oral hearing, is not suitable for the

more complex cases. It would be possible, I suppose, to envisage a specialised court in the

field of competition law, but I doubt whether that would be a good idea because it would

inevitably have the effect simply of extending the appeals process. Your question was

whether there were any obvious changes. Someone who is more specialised than I am in the

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field of competition law may be able to suggest some less obvious changes, but I am unable

to think of any obvious ones.

Q23 Lord Dykes: When you say a “specialised court”, do you mean a kind of commercial

court?

Professor Arnull: I mean a specialised court in the sense of the term as it is used in the

Treaty. It would be like the specialised court which is being proposed for intellectual

property. In the past some people have suggested a specialised court on competition law.

Q24 Chairman: They failed to convince our predecessor committee, those who thought

this a good idea.

Professor Arnull: Yes.

Q25 Lord Boyd of Duncansby: Are there any more case management measures which

might be used, proactively and robustly, which could assist with the throughput of work?

Professor Arnull: I am sure this is not what you are suggesting, but I think it would be a

mistake if anybody were to suggest that the Courts do not already use case management

techniques, particularly in the expedited procedures. And particularly in competition cases

which are subject to the expedited procedure, there is quite intrusive case management by

the General Court. Whether case management could be more robust, I dare say case

management can always be more robust. I do not really feel qualified to comment on that. It

is really a question that ought to be directed to the members of the two Courts.

Q26 Lord Temple-Morris: The essence, surely, of getting the thing through as quickly as

possible, is to clarify the issues beforehand. I just wonder whether anything has been done.

As I understood it, with the judicial rapporteur and, indeed, the Advocate-General, if it

occurs to them that they need something from the Commission, and so on, or there are

some issues that they need to clarify when they are preparing their report, unless they

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assemble the whole court they cannot get that information. Is that still the position or is that

one of things that has perhaps been ameliorated?

Professor Arnull: The Advocate-General and the Judge-Rapporteur have for a long time had

the opportunity at the administrative meeting of the Court when the case is first considered

to suggest questions which might be put to the parties. That has been done for many years.

It is possible for questions to be asked at a later stage; they would not be normally. Of

course where there is a hearing, that is an opportunity for questions to be put. They would

not be put after the hearing normally because that would cause—

Q27 Lord Temple-Morris: I am sorry to interrupt you. Is it not the best thing if these

things are clarified before the hearing? And, indeed, if there is an opportunity after the initial

questions have been agreed at a preliminary hearing, if those preparing the reports want to

improve those reports and information, they should be able to do so without having to

assemble the whole of a busy court.

Professor Arnull: Yes. I think the process already enables that to be done because at the

administrative meeting the Court is not assembled just to consider one particular case; it

considers a number of cases. The Judge-Rapporteur and the Advocate-General will have

considered prior to the meeting whether there are any issues which they require

clarification on from the parties. The parties would also be given an indication if there are

particular issues they need to concentrate on at the hearing. So I think that is already done.

Q28 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Is it out of the question that the judge in the national

court might frame the question rather than the parties? That could lead to quite a saving of

time as presumably the parties, because of the interests of their clients, pile in a good deal

of material which is not actually directly relevant to the particular question which has caused

the judge to think that he needs to refer.

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Professor Arnull: My sense is that it is an idiosyncrasy of common law courts that they farm

out the drafting of the questions to counsel for the parties. In courts elsewhere in the Union

it is more common for the question to be drafted by the court. But, of course, in England

the question belongs to the court; the parties are simply making suggestions. It is the

responsibility of the judge to make sure that the question is appropriately framed, that it is

neutral and that it focuses on the issues which really need to be decided.

Q29 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Is there any evidence that cases that are referred from

UK courts take longer?

Professor Arnull: None that I know of.

Q30 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: What about—we talked at the beginning about the

national judge possibly not being present in a case that has arisen in his country. Does it

matter? Is it an important point, or not?

Professor Arnull: I don’t think it always matters. It may be useful for the national judge to be

there because the national judge is likely to have some understanding of the legal, factual and

social context which judges from other countries may not have. So it may be useful for the

national judge to be there. As you know, in the Strasbourg court there is a rule that says the

national judge must always be there. There is no such rule in the EU, but I accept it could be

useful. I would not go so far as to say that there ought to be a rule like the Strasbourg rule,

but I agree, it could be useful.

Q31 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: If there was a rule like the Strasbourg rule, would that

not in fact be wholly compatible with the rule of juge légal – the composition of the bench

being known to the client in advance and to be on a defined pattern, not specific to this

case?

Professor Arnull: There are complicated rules about the way judges are selected to sit on

particular cases which are designed to make it possible to establish who the particular

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individuals will be. Those rules, I think, are inspired by a wish to respect the principle of the

juge légal.

Q32 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: There is no inherent incompatibility between that

principle and having a judge of the nationality of the case?

Professor Arnull: No, indeed.

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: It could be part of the definition.

Professor Arnull: It would be perfectly compatible, and my understanding is that it would be

very much in the spirit of the principle of the juge légal, yes.

Q33 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Can I ask one more? I am cheating. Professor, in your

written evidence, you distinguish two types of reforms that might be useful, and list them.

Some of them could be done without treaty amendment, and then quite a few which would

require amendment of Article 256(3) TFEU. And you have a cheerful footnote that says that,

after all, treaty amendments do happen from time to time. In Britain, any of these changes

that you discuss would in future, if they were subject to an intergovernmental conference

and treaty amendment, require a referendum. Would you like to campaign in the UK in

favour of the treaty amendment in the referendum campaign? If so, which of these would

you pick as the likeliest winner?

Professor Arnull: I am not sure they result in transferring power to the Union, do they?

Because they would be concerned with redistributing roles within an existing set of

institutions—within a single existing institution, in fact—because all the various bits of the

Court of Justice of the European Union are part of a single institution.

Q34 Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Professor, I can imagine myself arguing your case. I think

I would. But I can also imagine others arguing, on the issue of should there be a national of

the United Kingdom on the bench whenever a case from the United Kingdom is heard, that

if that was not the case there would be a very serious transfer of sovereignty. I think that

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you can get sovereignty in wherever you want, in fact, in any of these. I confess that I am not

very keen on referenda, for obvious reasons, but I think that now we are importing this

requirement, the chances are it would be used quite widely and would affect some of these.

Professor Arnull: Well, you may be right and I am sure that your political antennae are

more sensitive than mine, but I think I am right in saying that it is not being used about the

enlargement of the European Parliament, for example. I see that as a useful precedent, shall

we say?

Lord Temple-Morris: Lord Chairman, I think that Lord Kerr, if I may say so, if he is right,

has detonated or exploded this entire inquiry and we may as well pack up and go home.

Q35 Chairman: We will draw a line under this as we promised Professor Arnull that we

would go by quarter past five. I thank you for all your evidence and put one last question to

you. We will no doubt write a report in which we will make all sorts of recommendations. I

do not want to prejudge anything but most of them will no doubt be directed towards the

Court of Justice. Is there anything positive that the member states, the other institutions or

litigants could do to assist the court as regards the perceived problem about delays?

Professor Arnull: Well, another distinction between the Strasbourg court and the

Luxembourg court is that the Luxembourg court is not in control of its own procedure. It

requires procedural changes to the rules to the Statute to be supported by other institutions

and the member states. If there is one thing that the other institutions and the member

states can do, it is to be receptive to suggestions from the Court that the Statute or the

rules of procedure should be changed and to act promptly on reasonable requests. The

parties to cases need to make sure they comply with the practice directions that the Court

has issued, particularly on things like the length of pleadings, and that affects the translation

burden. National courts should comply with, or endeavour to follow, the advice given to

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them in the Courts’ information note on references about the way in which references are

set out and the stage in the proceedings at which references should ideally be made.

Chairman: Thank you very much indeed. Thank you again on behalf of the committee for

coming.

Professor Arnull: Thank you, My Lord Chairman.