Performance Review Institute · Web viewOctober 20-22, 2009. Sheraton Station Square. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA. These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group

NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTINGOCTOBER 2009

UNCONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 20-22, 2009

SHERATON STATION SQUAREPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2009 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2009

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:03 a.m., 20-OCT-09.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

Name Company

* Stephen Bauer Northrop Grumman Corp.* Mitch Birzer General Dynamics* Alain Bouchet SAFRAN Group

Tho (Tom) Bui Honeywell Aerospace* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines

Zeljko Calija Goodrich Corporation* Michael Clark Sikorsky Aircraft* Richard Costantino Goodrich Aerostructures

Grant Crawford The Boeing CompanyMichael Daehling Cessna Aircraft CompanyAudie Dickson Goodrich Corporation

* Chris Dootson BAE SystemsWard Fong 309th Maintenance Wing - Hill AFBDieter Frentzen Goodrich Corporation

* Leo Going United Space Alliance* Greg Hall Cessna Aircraft Company

Tim Hayes Hawker Beechcraft* Sylvain Héon Bombardier Inc.* Trevor Hiscox Airbus

Eddie Hofer Rockwell Collins* Robert Hogan Honeywell Aerospace* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter Textron

Dennis Jackson Sikorsky Aircraft* Phil Keown GE Aviation Chairperson

Dr. Hans Hermann Kopp MTU Aero EnginesTim Krumholz Rockwell Collins

* Serge Labbé Heroux Devtek* Ron Levi Lockheed Martin* Donald MacLean Raytheon Co.* Michael Mitchell Hamilton Sundstrand* Dale Norwood Parker Aerospace

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* Gary O'Neill Parker AerospaceDoug Prenovost Northrop Grumman Corp.

* Robert Rainone Goodrich Corporation* Carl Roche Textron Defense Systems

Michael Rolland Bombardier Inc.* David Royce Pratt & Whitney Secretary

Daniel Ryan United Space Alliance* Bobby Scott Bombardier Inc.* Michael Shiplett Vought Aircraft* Andy Statham Rolls-Royce plc Vice Chairperson* Scott Sullivan Honeywell Aerospace AQS Liaison

Steve Tooley Rolls-Royce plc* Peter Torelli The Boeing Company* Louis Truckley The Boeing Company* David Vaughn Spirit AeroSystems

Tony Warren Airbus

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

Name Company

John Abrahams RTI International Metals, Inc.James Ahlemeyer Ducommun Aerostructures NYChristopher Andersen PCC StructuralsDan Antus Canton Drop ForgeLeandro Aparicio Advanced Coating TechniqueWalter Jr Asmus Magnetic Inspection Laboratory

* Andy Bakewell E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.Gail Bardelli The Barden CorporationGreg Bolduc GTI

* N. David Campbell West Penn Nondestructive Testing LabsJeff Cerre Globe EngineeringJerry Colombo Precise Machining & Mfg.Dwayne Cooper RTI International Metals, Inc.Michael Craghead Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.Larry Culbertson Stork

* Robert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.Jim DeChellis West Penn Nondestructive Testing LabsFabienne DuFour Sherwin Babb Co.

* Paul Evans James Fisher IMS Ltd.* Bill Evridge X-R-I Testing

Albert Fletcher West Penn Nondestructive Testing LabsBen Flores Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Sarah Fuqua Kearfott Guidance & Navigation Corp.Michael J. Guthmiller Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Ballard Hindman Advanced Coating TechniqueRandy Hite PCC AirfoilsJim Jensen Moeller Mfg. CompanyJeff Jones Alloy Processing, Inc.Greg Judy Team Industrial ServicesGeorge Karelas Master Metal Finishers

* Richard King New Hampshire Ball BearingsAmanda Kirchner beyondRelations LLCRichard Kline X-R-I TestingRick Kowalczyk X-R-I TestingKarl Lago Tube BendsGrant Lilley Meyer Tool, IncBill Lucas Tactair Fluid Controls Inc.

* D.E. "Skip" McDougall Hitco Carbon Composites

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Norm Miller Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division* David Mitchell Mitchell Labs* Alan Parsons Exova UK Ltd.

Scott Peterson beyondRelations LLCBryce Pleake Hytek Finishes

* Mark Pompe West Penn Nondestructive Testing LabsJonathan Pugh Exova UK Ltd.John Quesada Corpus Christi Army DepotCatherine Renfer ESCO Turbine Tech

* Cindy Roth Team Industrial ServicesGuy Saenz Hi-Tech Metal FinishingJohn Save Modern Drop Forge LLCTetyana Shmyreva Praxair Surface Technologies Ltd.Scott Singer Imagineering Finishing Tech.Tim Sloan Solar Atmospheres of Western PAJohn Smith Sandvik Special Metals

* Greg Smotherman Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.* Ryan Soule Alcoa Power and Propulsion Howmet

Jackie Sternot PAKO, Inc.Dawn Stokes PTI Industries Inc.Debbie Sykes Hixson Metal FinishingJohn Tamashaitis Kamatics CorporationMark Tierney Laboratory Testing Inc.Marc Trepanier Composites Atlantic Ltd.Debbie Vogel Triumph Actuation SystemsMark Warchol Alcoa, Inc.

* Gary White Orbit IndustryDale Wilds Solar Atmospheres of Western PAJohn Wilhelms PCC/SMP Airfoils LLCSean Wood Triumph Actuation SystemsBrian Yazumbek Modern Drop Forge LLC

PRI Staff Present

Mark AubelePhil FordMike GutridgeRhonda JosephKellie O’Connor

1.2 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – OPEN

Motion made by Mike Mitchell & seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the July 2009 minutes. Motion Passed

The minutes from July 2009 were approved as written.

The following RAIL items were reviewed: See 10.0 and 17.0

The Code of Ethics was reviewed.

2.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

Ray Cleghorn of The Boeing Company observed an audit and reported acceptable results. Russell Mobley of GE Aviation observed an audit.

Seven individuals from Rolls-Royce plc offered comments on their NUCAP audits.

Six Scope Extension audits were conducted.

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Nine Auditor Advisories were issued in 2009.

There is currently one open Supplier Advisory.

Nine audits were failed by the Task Group, and of those two were overturned.

Twelve audits lapsed out of 704 or 1.7%.

NIP 6-01 was revised. A proposal to revise NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 was presented. The revision will allow for industry experts to be on an Ad-Hoc group if they are not members of the Task Group.

The current sub-committee members list was presented.

The current Ad-Hoc team list was presented.

“Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues have arisen due to the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits. Discussion ensued on the topic of attaching documents to the audits.

Motion made by David Royce & seconded by Ed Holman to approve not attaching technical information pertaining to the compliance section of the audit. If Primes require the information, they should contact the Supplier directly. This is an effort to avoid EC-LR issues. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

3.0 ETHICS AND APPEALS - ISSUES AND CONCERNS – CLOSED

A Supplier has appealed two findings from an audit. The issue concerns a direct reference to specific paragraphs from industry documents in their procedures. The Task Group determined that not enough information is contained in the Written Practices to meet the Nadcap requirements.

Motion made by Bobby Scott & seconded by Dave Vaughn to uphold the findings. Motion Passed

4.0 AUDITOR TRAINING REPORT– CLOSED

The topics covered in Auditor training were presented. Some items presented were Phased Array Ultrasonics, Digital Radiography and cultural differences.

5.0 TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS– CLOSED

The Annual Performance Review was discussed. Is it the intent of the Task Group that the specific part numbers that were reviewed be recorded? The Compliance Assessment Guidance will be revised to include the information required. Staff will make a proposal for the February 2010 meeting.

A request was made to the Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group - Is it necessary to review calibration certificates to ensure accuracy and verify that all equipment was within calibration when equipment is calibrated by an internal calibration source? Both AC7004 and AS9100 require that records of the results of calibrations and verifications be maintained. There is no written requirement however, in the AQS system requiring review of those results.

The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

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Comments pertaining to the proposed checklist revisions were discussed.

6.0 AD-HOC TEAM REPORT OUT– CLOSED

See topics 10.0 and 17.0 for discussion involving Ad-Hoc Teams.

7.0 SUPPLEMENTS DISCUSSION– CLOSED

This topic was not discussed.

8.0 NEW BUSINESS– CLOSED

Phil Ford and Andy Statham presented new Task Group Member training to the following: Tony Warren of Airbus, Tim Krumholz of Rockwell, Ward Fong of the 309th Maintenance Wing, and Daniel Ryan of United Space Alliance.

9.0 CHAIRMAN’S BRIEFING - OPEN

Ad-Hoc groups of the NMC were discussed. Groups are addressing flow down issues and standardization.

The issue of Auditor training will be spearheaded by the NDT Task Group, there currently isn’t a formal program for actual training in auditing. A training block will be proposed for new and current Auditors.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

Prime observation of audits is encouraged. The Nadcap Management Council (NMC) will be asking on the management level to allow Task Group members to do observation audits at least once a year. This may become a requirement of being a Task Group member.

A feedback form is now available for questions and feedback on meetings. This is an effort to strive for better meetings.

The NDT Task Group will complete approximately 1005 audits this year.

The logistics for the February 2010 meeting were given.

NASA and Aftermarket providers have expressed an interest in the program.

10.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS - OPEN

The NDT Staff Report was presented.

Staff delegation was presented and reviewed. No action is required.

Motion made by Pete Torelli & seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the revision of NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 paragraph 4.2.1 allowing non-Task Group members to be members of an Ad-Hoc group. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

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Motion made by Ryan Soule & seconded by Andy Statham to approve the proposed revision of NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT. Motion Passed

RAIL items that are open were reviewed. Update of Prime / Supplier voting members and Method Chairs will develop Audit training.

The cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. Staff will investigate.

11.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION - OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee report

12.0 AD-HOC PANEL REPORTS - OPEN

Reports were presented on the following teams: Filmless Radiography and UT Phased Array.The Filmless Radiography team is awaiting the release of the work being performed by the MAI II team, which is developing ASTM documents.

The UT Phased Array checklist was sent to the Task Group for a preliminary review and comments were received. The checklist will now be sent for ballot.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

13.0 NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW AND REVISION - OPEN

Several Nadcap procedures have been revised, including NIP 4-02, NIP 6-01, NIP 7-02, NIP 7-05, NIP 8-01, NOP-001, NOP-004, NOP-011, and NTGOP-001 Appendix 1.

The delinquency policy of NIP 7-03 has been changed from forty-five late days to thirty late days. Though late days are available if needed, too many late days may result in reduction in merit (more than seven results in a loss of twenty-four month merit; more than fourteen days results in a loss of eighteen month merit).

14.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS- OPEN

The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc. English is the official language for all audits, documents and correspondences.

ITAR/EAR issues – “Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues have arisen due to the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits. Documents are no longer to be attached to audits reports to avoid potential EC-LR issues during audit review. Staff stated that no Auditor is allowed to remove documents from the Supplier given to them by the Supplier. All provided copies are to be returned to the Supplier by the end of the audit.

The conduct of Auditors during the audit and at close out meetings was discussed.

15.0 NEW BUSINESS - OPEN

Proposed changes to the checklists were presented and discussed.

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Motion made by Gary White & seconded by David Mitchell to approve Bob Custer as the SSC delegate for the NMC. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

The issue of the Annual Performance Review of Level 3’s was discussed. It is permissible for a “qualified” Level 2 to perform the review of the Level 3. The Compliance Assessment Guidance will be revised.

The new Nadcap Meeting Facilitation Feedback form was presented, reviewed, and completed.

16.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING - OPEN

The next meeting with be in Rome on February 22-26, 2010. There will be the regular agenda items and also a workshop on NAS 410 rev C. Monday afternoon, 22-Feb-10, with be devoted to Supplements with the regular meetings starting Tuesday, 23-Feb-10. The open meeting will be Wednesday afternoon and conclude Thursday morning.

17.0 REVIEW ACTION ITEMS FROM MEETING (RAIL) - OPEN

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: The items of clarification from the Supplier workshop need to be addressed. Bob Hogan and Scott Sullivan are to provide. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Staff to investigate the cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. (DUE DATE: 30-Oct-30)

ACTION ITEM: Staff to send an email prior to meeting so that specific items can be addressed at that meeting. (DUE DATE: 18-Jan-10)

18.0 SUPPLEMENT AD-HOC TEAM DISCUSSION - CLOSED

This topic was not discussed.

ADJOURNMENT – 22-OCT-09 – Meeting was adjourned at 12:08 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce, email: [email protected]

RAIL:

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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

NTGOP-001 Appendix I Mike Gutridge 29-Jan-10

NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT Mike Gutridge 29-Jan-10

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