P R L I AMENTA RY DE BAT ES - Parlimen · Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong usul mi. Question put, and agreed to. Resolved,

Volume Iv ThursdayNo. 22 6th December, 1962

PA R L I AMENTA RYD E B AT ES

DEWAN RA 'AYAT(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

ORAL ANSWER TO QUESTION [Col. 23191

MOTION :

Waktu Persidangan Meshuarat [Col. 23191

BILL :

The Supply Bill, 1963

Committee of Supply (Second Allotted Day)

Head S. 8 [Col. 23201

Head S. 9 [Col. 23381

Head S. 10 [Col. 23391

Head S. 11 [Col. 2344]

Head S. 12 [Col. 2347]

Head S. 13 [Col. 2369]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN

OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN

PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU

1963

FEDERATION OF MALAYA

DEWAN RA'AYAT

(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

Official Report

Fourth Session of the First Dewan Raàyat

Thursday, 6th December, 1962

The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT:

The Honourable the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs andMinister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M. TUNKUABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence andMinister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAKBIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan).

„ the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P.(Malacca Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications,DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput).

„ the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJIJUBIR , P.M.N. (Pontian Utara).the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives,ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

„ the Minister of Health , ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJITALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEEAUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

„ the Minister of Education , TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHANBIN HAJI SAKHAWAT AL! KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).

the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' ABDUL Az lz BINISHAK (Kuala Langat).the Assistant Minister of Labour,ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Kiang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry,TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN(Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting,ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Malacca Utara).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K. (Krian Laut).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani).

„ TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF(Kuala Kangsar).

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The Honourable TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.

(Segamat Utara).„ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara).

„ ENCHE'

ENCHE'

AHMAD

AHMAD

BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.(Johore Bahru Barat).TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat).

„ TURN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

„ ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

„ DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut).ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N . (Kluang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' CHAN SINNG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta).„ ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

„ ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).„ ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar).

„ ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling).

„ ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

TURN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD

(Kuala Trengganu Utara).„ TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Malacca Selatan).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN

(Kota Bharu Hulu).„ ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM

(Kuala Trengganu Selatan).„ ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat).„ ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

„ CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungan).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Bata Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHONN (Kluang Utara).

p, ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN STEW (Dato Kramat).„ ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

„ ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.

(Pasir Mas Hulu).

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The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh).

NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

„ ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara).

„ ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

„ ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

„ ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

„ TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.(Batu Pahat Dalam).

„ TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K.(Sabak Bernam).

„ TUAN SYED JAÀFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.

(Johore Tenggara).ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

„ ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong).„ ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK ^(Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTANIBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' Too JooN HING (Telok Anson).

„ ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

„ WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir).

„ WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan).

„ WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

„ ENCHE' YAHYA BiN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

„ ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N. P.I.S.(Pontian Selatan).

„ TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB (Langat).

„ ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT :

The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR,

S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P.

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the

Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN,

P.M.N. (Johore Timor).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO'HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Muar Selatan).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN,P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor).the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare,ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior,ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).

„ ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

„ ENCHE' GEH CHENG KEAT (Penang, Utara).

„ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Pant).

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The Honourable ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang).ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).

ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD. ALI(Kuala Selangor).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P . (Seremban Barat).TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Malacca).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

PRAYERS(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

ORAL ANSWER TOQUESTION

GOVERNMENT HOUSINGSCHEME

Enche' V. David asks the Prime Minis-ter to state the progress made towardsimplementing the Government HousingScheme based on the Atkinson Reportand whether it is a fact that $5 2million had been provided by Govern-ment for that purpose.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir,a sum of $500,000 was provided by theGovernment in 1959 under the Deve-lopment Estimates and this sum wasgiven to the Malaya Borneo BuildingSociety as a loan for the purpose ofenabling the Society to provide loansto individual Government officers.Then a further sum of $5 million wasprovided under the 1960 DevelopmentEstimates, but this sum has sincebeen withdrawn since the policy ofGovernment housing is now beingconsidered at the highest level anda decision will be made known in thevery near future.

MOTION

WAKTU P'ERSIDANGANMESHUARAT

The Deputy Prime Minister: Sir, I begto move :

That notwithstanding the provisions ofStanding Order 12 (1) the House at its risingat 1 p.m. on every Saturday during thepresent meeting shall stand adjourned untilthe following Monday.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan usulini supaya tidak di-adakan persidangan

pada petang hari Sabtu is-lah mem-bolehkan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yanghendak balek kerana hari Ahad,boleh-lah balek sa-lepas pukul 1.00ltu.

The Minister oI Education (TuanHaji Abdul Hamid Khan bin HajiSakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong usulmi.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That notwithstanding the provisions of

Standing Order 12 (1) the House at its risingat 1 p.m. on every Saturday during thepresent meeting shall stand adjourned untilthe following Monday.

BILL

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963Order read for resumed considerationin Committee of Supply (SecondAllotted Day).

House accordingly resolved itselfinto Committee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SCHEDULE

Head S. 8

The Prime Minister : Mr Chairman,Sir, I beg to move that Supply Head 8totalling $9,850,539 be approved. Underthis Head perhaps it would be betterfor me to enlighten Honourable Mem-bers because there has been certainchanges in the appointments andcertain increases and decreases in theamount to be spent under this Head.

I would like to take first item (4)which you will see on page 32 inconnection with Principal AssistantSecretary, M.C.S., Superscale H. Withthe lifting of wage freeze by the

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Government in 1959 the work of theOfficial Side in connection with WhitleyCouncil matters , particularly in nego-tiations with the Staff Side on claims ofrevisions of salaries, has greatlyincreased. It is considered that theseimportant matters should be handledand dealt with expeditiously by asenior officer and hence this item (4)which provides for an M.C.S., Super-scale H. The next item is one postof Higher Executive Officer, GradeA3. The post of Deputy Secretary,Official Side , Whitley Council wasin the Higher Executive Officer grade,but in 1961 it was downgraded toExecutive Officer grade as it was thenfelt that the responsibility of the postwas reduced as a result of the wagefreeze which the Governments was thenabout to embark upon . However,from the experience gained since thenit hag been established that the respon-sibility of the post has in fact beenincreased ; hence the upgrading. Underitem (7) the increased provision is dueto the creation this year of one newpost of Executive Officer by Establish-ment Warrant to deal with theincreasing volume of work in thePensions Branch.

Item (8) Malay Officers , M.A.S. Asa result of the increase in the tempoof work connected with rural develop-ment it has been considered necessaryto have administrative officers toconsolidate the work ; hence thisincrease.

Under Item ( 13) Stenographers : thisis expected as a result of the creationof new posts.

Item (36) Research and PublicationOfficer. The creation of this post wasrecommended by Mr Angus in hisReport on Staff Training in the Mala-yan Public Service . The main dutiesof this officer are : collecting adminis-trative data for training purposes,preparing case study and staff trainingmanual , consolidating lecture notes forpreparation and publication to assistGovernment officers in their research,to supervise the making of amendmentsto laws , gazettes , general orders, andmany other things.

The next is Sub-head 4, underO.C.A.R., Colombo Plan Awards by

Federation. The increase is due to thegreater number of requests from mem-ber countries under the Colombo Plansuch as Thailand, Burma, Philippines,Sarawak for training facilities avail-able in the Federation in rubbertechnology, in telecommunications andmany other things. The Federation hasreserved 205 training places in 1962,but due to the inadequate provisionMalaya could only offer 35 places inreturn, even though there is a demandof about 55 places.

Then Sub-head 7, item (2) StaffTraining Centre, Transport and Travel-ling. There is an increase of $7,000which is due to that sum being trans-ferred from Sub-head 9, Transport andTravelling, to meet the claims of theClerical Training Branch which is tobe merged with the main StaffTraining Centre at Petaling Jaya nextyear.

Then the next one is Sub-head 8,item (5), Scholarships and TrainingAwards. Here, there is an increase of$140,000 due to the fact that theprovision of $140,000 which appearedunder item (5) in the 1962 Estimatesas Post Graduate Training having beenbrought under the present item for1963 for administrative conveniencethat is, two former separate items arenow lumped together as one.

Then we come to Special Expendi-ture. Sub-head 12, Office Furnitureand Equipment it is only to beexpected that they must. be renewed;Sub-head 13, Library Books theseare supposed to be used in this newCentre in Petaling Jaya; Sub-head 17,Motor Van the old van is out ofuse; and finally Sub-head 18, Intercom-munication Equipment in a bigbuilding, it is necessary to have inter-communication.

That is all I think it is necessary forme to explain to Honourable Memberswith regard to this Supply Head 8.

Enche' Zulkidee bin Muhammad(Bachak): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendakberchakap berkenaan dengan Item (1),Sub-head 1, is-itu Principal Establish-ment Officer. Atas jawatan yang mus-tahak ini-lah terletak-nya tanggong-jawab bagi memikirkan hal per jawatandi-dalam negeri mi. Tuan Pengerusi,

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saya dapat beberapa rungutan2 dari-pada beberapa kalangan berkenaandengan. kekurangan pegawai2 pentadbirdan pegawai2 yang menjalankan kerjasaperti kerani umum dalam Kemen-terian dan nampak pada kitabahawa kekurangan2 ini mustahak-lahdi-chepatkan kebetulan-nya. Saya suka,Tuan Pengerusi, supaya Kerajaanmengemukakan ranchangan yang di-buat-nya pada masa ini bagi mengatasikekurangan2 staff mi. Saya tahu keku-rangan2 di-dalam perjawatan keraniumum ini ada-lah banyak. Dan per-kara ini belum dapat di-selesaikanlagi; dan oleh kerana banyak Pejabat2dan Kementerian2 merasa kekuranganini, saya rasa ada-lah lebeh baikbahawa dalam perkara ini di-jalankanikhtiar yang agak chepat sadikit.

Ada, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-tengah2kalangan memikirkan bahawa keku-rangan ini bergantong kapada ke-kurangan atas kelambatan kerja yangdi-jalankan oleh Public Services Com-mission, dan saya perchaya dalam halini jika sa-kira-nya berlaku, saya harapF.E.O. ini mengikhtiarkan supayabekerjasama di-dalam mengatasi ke-pentingan kekurangan ini dapat di-perchepatkan di-antara F.E.O. denganSurohanjaya Perkhidmatan Awam.Ini-lah perkara yang penting di-perhatikan.

Di-dalam uchapan Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri tatkala memberi ke-terangan tadi telah menerangkanbeberapa penambahan berkenaan de-ngan pegawai2, dan saya nampak ter-luchut satu keterangan berkenaandengan Item (37) Supervisor (HigherExecutive Officer), A3 yang hendakdi-wujudkan penambahan perjawatan-nya di-dalam Staff Training Centre.Saya suka perkara ini dapat di-terang-kan oleh Yang Berhormat PerdanaMenteri apa sebab-nya maka inimustahak di-adakan. Tuan Pengerusi,ada satu perkara kechil yang telah di-sebutkan tadi is-lah berkenaan denganmotor van, saya suka mendapat tahuberapa lama motor van ini sudah rosakbelum di-beri tahu.

Enche' V. David (Bungsar): MrChairman, Sir, it will be rememberedthat I raised the question of the WhitleyCouncil in this very House a few days

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back : the allotment made for theWhitley Council (Staff Side) has beenreduced from $6,000 to $4,000.

Mr Chairman, Sir, there has beengrowing discontentment in the CivilService of this country, because theGovernment has shown that the StaffSide should be penalised by reducingthe annual contribution of $6,000 to$4,000. As the Government is spendingmoney on certain other items, I do notsee any reason why it should single outthe Whitley Council (Staff Side) byreducing the contribution by this smallamount of $2,000. This drives one tothe belief that while Government on theone hand is encouraging the tradeunion movement, it is systematicallyfinding ways and means to curtail theactivities of trade unions in this country.

Mr Chairman, Sir, there is also risingdissatisfaction among civil servants overthe representatives of the Official Side.I understand from a reliable sourcethat during Whitley Council meetingsthe representatives of the Official Sideare not in a position to take decisions,and it has become the habit for them topostpone meetings and go back to referto higher authorities and then comeback again to report. In other words, itdoes not seem to me that they arenegotiators but merely messengers con-veying messages from one side toanother. In this way, I do not thinkone can expect a healthy WhitleyCouncil machinery in the Civil Service.The Official Side members should bein a position to reach agreement orarrive at a settlement at least in respectof minor issues, referring only majorissues to the higher authorities. Sir, Iwould again request that the OfficialSide members be given powers tonegotiate and not merely play the partof messengers.

During the course of the year, theGovernment will be aware that therehave been claims made by the variousGovernment Daily-Rated Employees'Unions for the conversion of the daily-rated workers into monthly ratedemployees. Nowhere has the Govern-ment made provision for this, and Ido not think that the Government hasgiven deep thought to the growing

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aspirations of the daily-rated workers.Sir, the daily-rated workers, both in theGovernment as well as in the privatesector, have come to the conclusion thatthe daily-rated wage system should becompletely abolished and that theyshould be brought into line with themonthly rated workers.

Mr Chairman, Sir, as far as theMalayan Railway is concerned, this isone of the claims which the Railway-men's Union of Malaya has submittedto the Management. Similarly, therehave been resolutions passed by theGovernment daily-rated workers attheir annual conference requesting thatall daily-rated workers should be mademonthly paid staff. Sir, I would alsoadd that this had been a long felt desireof the workers during the old colonialdays, when there was a flow of immi-grant labour; the daily-rated wagesystem was introduced just to show thatthe daily-rated workers were unskilledworkers or, in other words, as workersinferior to the monthly rated workers.This inferior status in society stillprevails and it is time that the Govern-ment should take steps to remedy theentire situation by placing the daily-rated workers on the monthly ratedstatus. Sir, as a result of being daily-rated, the workers also lose a lot offringe benefits which are enjoyed bytheir colleagues under the monthlyrated system.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I would appeal tothe Honourable the Prime Minister toappreciate and respond to the aspira-tions of the daily-rated workers in thiscountry who form the backbone of thelabour force -a large force of morethan 65,000; and it is desirable that theGovernment should set up a committeeto go into this matter with wide termsof reference, so that it could make areport as to the placing of the daily-rated workers on a monthly ratedsystem.

There have also been complaintsabout promotions and appointments inthe Civil Service. In this respect, Ithink, the Federal Establishment Officehas not taken prompt action whereverand whenever vacancies occur. In someinstances, there have been staffs acting

in appointments for a number of yearswithout confirmation, and there havebeen considerable delays in promotions.I should also have to blame the PublicServices Commission for this. ThePublic Services Commission too willhave to be reconstituted and theposition re-examined because of thefact that there have been cases ofdiscontentment which have beenexpressed by the Whitley Council andby CUEPACS and organisations whichrepresent the civil servants of thiscountry. So far the Government hasnot taken adequate steps to remedy thedeteriorating situation which has arisenin the Civil Service. Sir, the PublicServices Commission is there to attendpromptly to appointments and promo-tions and if the Commission is unableto fulfil its obligations then it is hightime that the Government recommendsits reconstitution or take some drasticsteps and review the entire situation.

Mr Chairman, Sir, there are alsoother complaints regarding Heads ofDepartments being called upon to sitin the Public Services Commission attimes to put across questions. When aHead of a Department is called uponto sit there, and he is not in favour ofa particular subordinate in his officeor Department, he brings in irrelevantquestions and makes the candidate failin the interview. I won't blame allHeads of Departments, but there are afew and here, I might refer to theGovernment Printing Department.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I must remindthis House that the civil servants ofthis country should be contented, if weare to run efficiently an up-to-dateGovernment, as once the Civil Servicebreaks, in this country or in anycountry, the entire Governmentmachinery collapses. A Governmentcould formulate policies, in any partof the world, and they would have tobe implemented and carried out byefficient and capable civil servants ofthat particular country, and it is wrongfor any Government, or it is question-able on the part of any Government,to allow continuing discontentment tobe felt among the civil servants.Complaints should be looked into andwherever necessary it should be adjusted


and rectified, and the Governmentshould not ignore complaints andgrievances raised by the civil servants'unions in this country.

Sir, during the last few days, orrather months, there have beennumerous complaints with regard tothe Federal Establishment Office andthe Public Services Commission. Sir,it is high time that the Governmentshould look into the entire problem,so that we will have a contented CivilService in this country.

Mr Chairman : According to StandingOrder 36 (8), it is stated that membersof any Service Commission shall not bereferred to except upon a substantivemotion moved for that purpose thatis in regard to conduct or character.

Enche' V. David : Sir, I am notquestioning the integrity of the membersconcerned. I am only making certainobservations where the Commission asa whole has failed.

Mr Chairman : Proceed.

Enche' V. David : Mr Chairman, Sir,I have made reference just now inregard to the conversion of daily-ratedworkers into monthly paid employeesand the abolition of the daily wagesystem. This problem has now reachedits climax in this country. All daily-rated workers' unions have joinedtogether in the campaign to eliminatethe daily wage system. Sir, I would saythat the daily-rated wage system in thiscountry is a social evil, and in thisdemocratic country if you call thiscountry such this system should becompletely eradicated and the labourersclassified under the monthly rated wagesystem, so that the fringe benefitsenjoyed by Government servants shouldbe equal without any difference inrespect of their status.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I hope theHonourable the Prime Minister willtake an interest in all these observa-tions and will see to it that a Commis-sion is appointed to look into thequestion of the abolition of the daily-rated wage system and to replace it bythe monthly rated system. Thank you.

Enche' Hussein bin To' Muda HasanRaub): Tuan Pengerusi, saya mengam-

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bil bahagian dalam Federation Estab-lishment Office, sa-bagai sifat sa-orangdaripada bekas pegawai Kerajaan ia-itu dengan ada-nya PerlembagaanTanah Melayu yang telah tertuboh pada1-2-1948 dan Kemerdekaan di-ishtihar-kan pada 3lhb August, 1957, perjalananFederation Establishment Office ada-lahsate pejabat yang tidak dapat di-pe-ngarohi oleh sa-suatu puak. Sa-belumada-nya F.E.O. ini maka di-dapati adasatu puak yang telah menchuba me-ngajar atau menunjokkan untokmengenepikan anak2 watan negeri kitaini daripada berjawatan, tetapi alham-dulillah, Perlembagaan Tanah Melayuyang telah terchipta pada 1-2-1948menyuarakan, oleh itu dapat-lah di-tolak segala perbuatan yang adadalam Federation EstablishmentOffice itu telah dapat di-hindarkan.Pada masa saya menjawat jawatandahulu, satu puak dalam negeri inichuba dan berani mengatakan janganbuat bagitu dan bagini.

Maka di-sini saya mempertahankandengan ada-nya pegawai tinggi dalamFederal Establishment Office ini dari-pada anak Malaya, segala pekerjaandari Federal Establishment Office itu,saya beri pujian dan segala anasir2 yanghendak menchari kepentingan untokfaedah diri sendiri atau saudara-maradan sa-bagaimana kenyataan yang telahdi-keluarkan oleh Yang Amat Berhor-mat Tunku Perdana Menteri padapetang sa-malam kenapa jawatan2 itudi-naikkan daripada 10 peratus ka-atas,telah ada di-pegang oleh anak2 Melayu.

Enche ' Mohd. Yusof bin Mahmud(Temerloh) Tuan Pengerusi, saya hen-dak berchakap atas Sub-head 1 Item(1)-Principal Establishment Officerdan juga Sub-head 2 -Administration.Pada masa ini banyak juga dalampejabat2 telah mengadakan satu per-atoran yang elok is-itu tiap2 pejabat,kita pandang daripada Kementerian danjuga pejabat besar di-mana ada bilektetamu yang menerima orang ramaiyang datang untok hendak menchariatau mendapatkan pekerjaan yang ber-sangkutan dengan mereka, tetapi masehlagi banyak dalam negeri ini pejabat2yang tidak ada perkhidmatan bilekterutama saperti pejabat2 daerah, danini-lah yang saya harapkan supaya


pegawai yang bertanggong-jawab danwang yang ada ini supaya di-adakanperatoran2 supaya orang ramai yangdatang di-pejabat2 itu tidak ternanti2atau terchari2, jika mereka2 hendakmendapatkan sa-suatu perkara yangdi-kehendaki-nya itu, umpama-nyaorange kampong yang tidak ada pela-jaran jikalau dia hendak bertanya dari-hal tanah atau pun forest, dia tidaktahu di-mana hendak tuju atau hendakberjumpa dengan pegawai yang di-kehendaki-nya itu. Tetapi jikalau adasatu bilek atau tempat pejabat untokmelayan orang'- datang, maka rasa sayapekerjaan bagi raàyat untok raàyat ituakan mendapat kepujian dari raàyat.Saya harap perkara ini akan dapat di-atorkan bukan sahaja Kementerian2bahkan seluroh pej abat dalam negeri inidapat mengadakan peratoran yang sa-macham itu.

Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, sayahendak berchakap dalam Item (6); (7)dan juga (37)-Higher Executive Officerdan Executive Officer. Saya berharapsupaya jawatan2 ini di-istimewakankapada bahagian clerical service sahaja,atau kapada orang yang bekerja dalambahagian kerani supaya mereka2 itumendapat incentive atau pun sukahendak bekerja dengan elok-nya, olehsebab saya memandangkan yangj awatan2 kerani itu ada-lah satu j awatanyang penting dalam negeri kita dan jugauntok orang ramai, kalau mereka itutidak mendapat peluang bagi membaikidiri-nya, atau memperbaiki pangkat-nya dengan lebeh chepat, maka sayaperchaya kita akan dapat mereka2 itutidak lagi giat hendak menj alankankerj a2-nya, tetapi dengan ada-nyajawatan2 itu dapat di-istimewakankapada mereka2, saya perchaya yangkerani2 itu akan bekerja lebeh giat danlebeh bersunggoh2 menjalankan kerja-nya. Rasa saya kita akan dapatpentadbiran yang baik berkenaandengan pekerjaan itu.

Item (8)---Malay Officers. Saya berasasukachita mendengar di-atas ber-tambah-nya jawatan2 itu maka akanhapus-lah keraguan2 daripada anak2watan negeri ini yang berj awatan2 itu,maka saya harap j awatan2 ini akanberlebeh2 lagi pada tahun hadapan.Saya rasa ini satu jawatan yang di-

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pandang tinggi, kerana ini ada-lah hakmereka dalam negeri mereka sendiri.Dalam pada itu saya berharap jugaperhatian di-beri pada jawatan2 inimeningkat kapada jawatan M.C.S.,sebab saya pernah mendengar yangpegawai j awatan2 ini sedikit sangatpeluang masok kapada jawatan M.C.S.maka saya rasa ini akan memberi tidakpuas hati kapada mereka2 itu. Sayatidak-lah menapikan kebolehan2 merekayang mendapat ij azah dari university2,tetapi pegawai M.A.S. ini oleh sebabmereka telah bekerj a dengan lama-nyadan ada kechekapan dan kebolehanyang istimewa, rasa saya peluang isti-mewa hendak-lah di-beri kapadamereka untok jawatan2 M.C.S.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn (Kampar):Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to say a fewwords in regard to Subhead 1, ChineseLanguage School, page 34. I understandthat the Government is now having ascheme to cover all officers in DivisionII and above for their participationin this Language School. In order tounderstand the views of those Chinesewho could not understand Malay orEnglish, I would like to appeal to theGovernment to include under thisscheme all Chief Clerks in all theDepartments so that they could copewith the public and thus enable theadministrative work to be done better.

In selecting candidates for thisSchool, I understand that there is alsodiscrimination in respect of the officersto be selected. I hope in future theMinistry concerned will build moreschools in order to get more officers tolearn Chinese, so that the Chinesepublic will have a chance to air theirviews in all Departments. That is all Iwish to say.

Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin HajiAbdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu): TuanPengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan jawatan G.C.S.Clerk. Walau pun jawatan ini di-pileholeh Public Services Commission, tetapiorang Melayu telah merungut sebabanak2 Melayu kurang yang dapatmenj aw at j awatan Executive Officer mi.Dan dalam tahun 1961 lebeh kurang100 jawatan G.C.S. Clerk yang kosong,maka di-dalam pemilehan itu hanya

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5-6 orang sahaja anak Melayu yangterpileh. Saya harap langkah patut-lahdi-jalankan oleh pehak Kerajaan danPerdana Menteri supaya bilangan anak2Melayu memegang j awatan itu lebehdaripada yang ada pada hari ini. Sayaperchaya tentu-lah Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri tidak membiarkankeadaan saperti ini berlaku terusmenerus dan bagaimana pehak YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri dapatmenggunakan kedudokan istimewaorang Melayu yang pernah di-sebut2kanitu supaya dapat melihat anak2 Melayubekerja lebeh ramai dalam jabatan2Kerajaan, maka ini-lah satu peluanglagi yang ada pada anak2 Melayu.Kalau kita hendak harapkan pekerjaandalam lapangan perusahaan nampak-nya sangat tipis, Tuan Pengerusi.

Saya menyebutkan apa yang berlakunasib anak2 Melayu dalam hal per-jawatan G.C.S. Clerk ini ada-lah benar,kerana saya ada mempunyai keterangandan kenyataan kerana ada-nya penga-duan2 yang sampai kapada saya. Sayasukachita-lah mendengar dari pehakPerdana Menteri kalau dapat menafikanhal ini. Maka bagitu-lah juga nasibanak2 Melayu dalam j awatan yang lainsa-hingga kapada pegawai2-nya.

Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman-sara): Mr Chairman, Sir, I would touchon the same topic that my Honourablefriend from Bungsar spoke about i.e.on the Whitley Council staff. Mr Chair-man, Sir, we get the impression that theWhitley Council Staff Side is beingmade use of by the Government in asort of military sense. The Governmentuses the Staff Side to keep the workers,the Government employees, who haveany demands engaged in verbal skir-mishes while the Government carrieson its old traditional habits of conductwith the employees. The Staff Side isthere to keep on negotiating, exchangeviews, make promises and all that. Butnothing is done to meet the demandsof the workers. It is more of a delayingtactic than anything else -a decoy forceto keep the workers otherwise engagedto prevent them from getting therealisation of their demands. Anotherimpression that we get is that thisWhitley Council Staff Side is more of a

shock absorber than anything else. Ifthe workers have any demand theWhitley Council Staff Side takes on theshock and the impulse from theworkers' side get dissipated within theWhitley Council Staff Side and theGovernment thinks the matter hasended there, the workers energies inpursuance of their demands have beenexpended and they will not be able topursue the matter further.

Mr Chairman, Sir, sometimes youget very extraordinary circumstanceswhere the Government Side is on thepoint of coming to some agreement andthen they say "Wait, wait, we have gotto get some instructions on this point"and just when the negotiations aresupposed to reach their climax youwill find the Official Side going to theGovernment, wasting so much time toget instructions on whether or not theycan accept certain terms. If this happenstoo long and is repeated, then theimpression is created that that is alsoa tactic to delay the demands of theworkers so that at the moment whenagreements can be reached they aresecretively called back, and they say"Wait, we have got to go and clarifybefore we can commit the Government."I think the demands of the workers inGovernment Service their conditionsof work, their standard of living and allthat should not be subject to suchcapricious treatment and it does notreflect well on the Government, whichshould be a model employer and whichshould set the standard and pattern forthe other employers in the country, tobehave like this. Mr Chairman Sir, itis all the more surprising that theGovernment through its Whitley Coun-cil Official Side should behave like this,because we know, whether rightly orwrongly, the Government of theFederation of Malaya today professesa world-wide interest in problems ofjustice and welfare, ranging from Tibetand South Africa. But what is surprisingis that a Government which is soextrovert in its interests towards therest of the world does not look at itsown daily-rated employees, does notmeet their demands for justice and doesnot look into their grievances and usesits Whitley Council Official Side to


ward off the demands of its employees.I don 't know whether this is a case ofthe place below the lamp being indarkness , but I think it is high timethat the Government ended its contra-diction in looking towards the rest ofthe world and not caring within toglance at its own employees.

Mr Chairman , Sir, my Honourablefriend for Bungsar has mentioned theevils of the daily-rated system . I wouldsay that the daily-rated system of labourin the country is an out-moded formof government / employee relationshipwhich would have been quite all rightabout 50 years ago when the BritishGovernment, the Colonial Government,was newly established , when there wereconditions of insecurity and whenperhaps the government did not thinkit would last for very long under theconditions pertaining at the time of itsestablishment in the country. But wecannot expect the relationship ofGovernment to its employees to beregulated by the conditions thatobtained at the time when the BritishGovernment was trying to get itselfestablished in Malaya. The Governmentmust realise that together with theprogress of the rest of the world and ofall other persons and things , the workingclass in this country has also progressedin consciousness and the realisation ofits own right, its humanity , and itsright to lead a life at least comparableto that obtained by the other sectionsof the community . If all the workersunder the Government get together anddemand that their daily -rated status bechanged to monthly -rated status, thenthat is a democratic demand-a demandof the people affected , a demand of theover-all majority . So if the Governmenttoday professes to be democratic, itshould accept the demand of the over-all majority of the daily-rated staff tobe converted to monthly -rated em-ployees. Not only that , if the Govern-ment were to gracefully accede to thisdemand , Mr Chairman, Sir, it wouldset a pattern for the rest of the workingclass in the country and obtain for therest of the working class , withoutcoercion on employers , a better statusa monthly-rated status for the rest ofthe workers of this country.

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Another point , Mr Chairman, Sir,that is disconcerting , and I am sure ourHonourable the Prime Minister couldlook into this problem , is that in someinstances Government does employcasual labourers. For instance , it allowsthe employment of casual labour inconnection with Government -sponsoredschemes , like F.L.D.A. schemes. Casuallabour has no security, and it is a mostprimitive form of employment. We findthat in F.L.D.A. schemes casual labouris employed . If it were known generallyor outside the country that the Govern-ment of the Federation of Malayapermits this sort of a thing , Sir, I donot think it will reflect well on theGovernment at all. So to safeguard thename of the Government, to bring itin touch with modern times , to bringit in touch with progress , I would urgethe Government to look into theseproblems , because these are not pro-blems of another country , these are notproblems of private employers, butthese are Government's own babies,which it will have to carry , which itwill have to attend to if it wants to doits duty.

Mr Chairman, Sir, another veryserious fault which the Government iscommitting is in its behaviour towardsthe temporary officers and those officerswho have been converted to thepermanent status from the temporarystatus. In the course of their conversionand after being employed on thepermanent establishment, Mr Chairman,Sir, they have to lose a great deal oftheir years of service sometimes 3years , sometimes 4 years. And inconnection with this matter , Sir, therehas been a lot of correspondence con-ducted in the columns of the MalayanTimes, which has been good enoughto allow its columns to be used forvoicing the demand of the temporaryofficers and those of its temporaryofficers who have been made permanentofficers . Now, it is a grave injustice forpeople who have worked at a highersalary while being temporary to haveto come down a few years in the salaryscale and go up again, thereby losing anumber of years, as is actually happen-ing in the case of these officers whohave been converted to the permanent

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scale. It is all the more surprising thatit is happening under our Government.The Government is responsible all ofus are responsible the Cabinet isresponsible and this House is alsoresponsible for what is happening. Thisis not a case of making it a politicalissue; this is a question where there isa genuine grievance, and withoutwanting to exploit it in any way I wouldask the Government to be gracefulenough to look into this problem andsettle it immediately.

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker,Sir, we have just heard a long lecturefrom the bench opposite and, if we aregoing at this rate, I do not know whenwe are going to finish this Budgetmeeting. We have just come to Head 8and we have taken nearly two daysover the items so far discussed. I under-stand the grievances and I can assurethe Honourable Member that Govern-ment, as a good employer, will doeverything possible to remedy thesituation. But in the first place, thisParliament has agreed and it is alreadywritten in the Constitution that thereshall be a Public Services Commissionto go into all matters affecting thevarious services. As a result of that, wehave left it entirely to the judgment, tothe discretion of the Public ServicesCommission to run its own affairs; butwhen there is any reason for us to feelthat the job is not done properly, theGovernment will urge the PublicServices Commission to take immediateaction to attend to these matters. Ifthe Government were to keep on doingit time and time again there will be anoutcry in this Parliament that theGovernment is using its influence tobear on the Public Services Commissionwhich is supposed to be independentin every sense of the word.

With regard to the Staff Side on thequestion of the Whitley Council, thisquestion was brought up a number oftimes and I think I have given quiteappropriate replies. The fact remainsthat the Official Side represents theGovernment and it has been asked touse its discretion and its judgment, todecide fairly. However, where a decisioninvolves a large amount of public funds,it is obvious to all it cannot make a

decision. That decision would have tobe made by the Government, and inthis Parliament. Therefore to say thatthese people on the Official Side havebeen restricted in their right and intheir power, to deal with matters thatcome before the Whitley Council is notcorrect. They have been authorised todecide any matter which they feel theycan decide, except on matters whichinvolve public funds.

With regard to delaying tactics by theGovernment, again, a lot depends onthe way claims are put up, and con-sideration has also to be given to thechain reaction throughout the wholeGovernment service as the Governmentemploys a large number of employeesor staff. The Official Side must takeinto consideration that it is not aprivate concern and, therefore, inmatters of this kind it will take a littletime to arrive at a decision.

On the subject of daily-rated workers,there has been a lot of talk recentlyover the conversion, claimed by thedaily-rated workers; to be given amonthly wage. I can assure theHonourable Member that this subjectis not being looked upon lightly bythe Government. From time to time thecolonial Government before the warhad monthly paid workers convertedinto daily-paid workers, and it is nowsuggested that they should be recon-verted into monthly rated. This is a bigmatter and it needs a lot of study and,as I said just now, it is not a matterwhich you can brush aside lightly,because we want to maintain ourreputation as a good employer and wehope to do all we can to put this matterright.

On the reduction of the grant givento the Staff Side, I have explained thereasons for it, but if there is any needfor this grant, which had been paid forsome years, and in respect of whichthe Staff Side had been told that it wasonly as a temporary measure, theGovernment can look into it; it is neverthe intention of the Government toobstruct the work of the WhitleyCouncil, as insinuated by the Honour-able Member, or to try to weaken theposition of any union.

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In regard to the promotion ofMalayan Civil Service officers, etc.,brought up by the Honourable Member,this is not a matter we can deal with,it is a matter for the Public ServicesCommission. On the presence of Headsof Departments at interviews, that isabsolutely necessary, because there aretimes when the Head of a Departmentis asked for his views, and whateverview is given is personal, and it doesnot mean that the P.S.C. is bound bythe views expressed by the Head of aDepartment.

In regard to the Chinese LanguageSchool, this is a matter we will lookinto, but it is our hope that Chinesewill also learn the National language,and if they have got to express anyviews to Government officers they cando so in the National language. Theintention of the Chinese LanguageSchool for Government officers is toenable them to understand and speakto people who have no chance oropportunity to learn the Nationallanguage and for those people whocannot speak Malay at all or English.

With regard to the complaint aboutExecutive Officers, this is, again, amatter for the Public Services Com-mission, and we cannot interfere. I,myself, have attempted to put in aword or two in favour of certain peoplewith no avail; further, when the PublicServices Commission interviews appli-cants, it has to take into considerationthe merits and other qualificationswhich enable a person to become anExecutive Officer.

Then coming to the question ofcasual labourers, this is a new type oflabourers, but I promise the Honour-able Member that I will look into itand see what can be done. We haveto look into the case of temporaryofficers -I suppose this is another formof temporary officers and I assure theHonourable Member that if there isanything we can do for them, we willcertainly do so.

The other question from theHonourable Member for Bachok is inregard to the Staff Training Centre.Actually, if you look at page 33, Item(37), and then again at the top of the

page, the first item, you will see theparticulars "Supervisor (Higher Exe-cutive Officer), A3 $10,392", but inthe latter case, there is a note whichsays, "Now provided under StaffTraining Centre" : it is not a questionof introducing a new post andemploying a new officer, but just achange of position from (1) to (37)-the same appointment and the samefigures are involved.

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I think that isall and I ask that the sum providedunder this Head be approved.

Question put and agreed to.

The sum of $9,850,539 for HeadS.8 ordered to stand part of theSchedule.

Head £ 9

The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman,Sir, I beg to move that the sum of$135,530 under Head S. 9 be approved.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair-man, Sir, in regard to this Head, Iwould like to raise a matter that is ofgreat interest from the historical side.1 have heard quite authoritatively thatafter Malaya got independence, a greatnumber of Government records weretaken by the British Government backto London. I have heard and heard itfrom very reliable sources. If that isso, I think it is but right and properthat the Prime Minister take thismatter up very seriously and ask forthe return of those documents. Sir, theonly conclusion that we can come toby this action of the British Govern-ment in taking such a large numberof documents away to England is thatthey are trying to hide certain thingsfrom the present Malayan Government,from the present generation of Malayaand from the future generations in thiscountry. Perhaps, they only want us toknow their sunnier side and what isunfavourable and what is againstMalaya, against its people, the variousinternal intrigues and other politicalmanoeuvres that they were engagedin in the course of our struggle forindependence, they have concealed andtaken back to London. I don't thinkthat our Honourable Prime Minister,who can tackle the British Govern-

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ment on subjects like Malaysia andother things, will not be able to securethe return of these very importantdocuments; and I would say, as theGovernment is now engaged inproducing an official history of theEmergency, that a great deal of thatofficial history is contained in thosedocuments that were very stealthilyremoved out of our country. It willbe of interest to the people, to theUniversity of Malaya and otherscholars to see that these documentsare returned to this country, becausewhether they are good or bad, whetherthey are unfavourable to us or favour-able to us, whether they are favourableor unfavourable to the British, theywould still reveal the inner story ofthe British administration and thestruggle from inside that the Britishcarried on to maintain their hold inthis country; and I would urge theHonourable Prime Minister to give anassurance to this House that he woulddo everything ,in his power to get thesehistorical documents restored to ourcountry.

The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman,Sir, I have no doubt that when theBritish went away they had eitherdestroyed or taken away some of therecords, and if the Honourable Membercan mention any specific records whichhe wants to be produced, no doubt Ican do so. However, to ask generallyto return all the records that have beentaken away, I am sure, they will notagree to it, because some of therecords bear my name as well and allmy activities before Independence. Itherefore ask that the sum of $135,530under Head S.9 be approved.


The sum of $135,530 for Head S. 9ordered to stand part of the Schedule.

Head S. 10

The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman,Sir, I beg to move that a sum of$260,885 under Head S. 10 be approved.Perhaps, a little explanation will benecessary by me in regard to theincrease in the amount for theMuseums.

The total expenditure for 1963 forthe Museum Department shows an

increase of $78,607. Of this, theincrease in Personal Emoluments is$59,067; the increase in O.C.A.R. is$11,760; and there is also an increaseof $7,780 on Special Expenditure.

The estimates in regard to Museumshave been prepared in a revised formwhich show expenditure under diff-erent Divisions, namely, (a) MuseumHeadquarters and Perak Museum, (b)Museology Division, (c) AntiquitiesDivision and (d) Natural HistoryDivision. The increases in staff areessential. The principal increases occurin the Natural History Division whichdid not exist previously. The newposts in this Division consist of aChief Taxidermist who will preparemounts of natural history to display inthe National Museum. The Taxidermistwill be trained by the Chief Taxider-mist and the Museum Assistant. Theother new posts are an AssistantLibrarian, a Senior Museum Assistantand an Administrative Assistant. Iwish to inform this House that theMuseums building is not yet completebut the new staff of the MuseumsDepartment will be fully occupied withpreparing a large number of newdisplays in the three large galleries forseveral months after the building iscompleted before the Museum can beopened to the public.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang):Mr Chairman, Sir, I speak under theAntiquities Division, Item (30), onpage 39. I notice that we have here aSenior Museum Assistant who, Isuppose, will be very much concernedon the things that will be put in thenew National Museum when it is ready.I notice that in Malaya, after indepen-dence, we have a lot of antiques leftover such as the statues of the colonialmasters in the past. For example, infront of the Secretariat Building,Selangor, there is a statue of aGovernor of the colonial days SirFrank Swettenham, and there are manyother statues as well. So, I wonderwhether the Prime Minister wouldadvise the Museum Assistant to takethese antiques into the NationalMuseum when it is ready.

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of Museum and I would like to speak statutes outside Ipoh certain blastingon an aspect that perhaps has escaped operations have been undertaken tothe attention of the Government up to utilise the limestone for industrial andnow. Mr Chairman, I have travelled in other purposes. The Government shouldPahang around Raub and Kampong act quickly in this matter because if itDong and I have also gone to Ipoh and were negligent and allowed these blast-from the village people who stay there ing operations to carry on we may findI have been told that there are caves that some of Malaya's history, some ofwhich contain very ancient statues and Malay's past monuments may beother depictions of the life of prehistoric destroyed and it should be considereddwellers of Malaya. Although I have a matter of extreme urgency forbeen asked to go with some of these Government to intervene in this matterfriends and see those statues, I have not and try and save some of thesehad the time or opportunity to go. But statues if there are any.it would be very, very important for Enehe' Hussein bin To' Mudaknowing the distant part of Malaya; Hassan: Tuan Pengerusi, Yang Ber-if the Government could check up on hormat dari Damansara ada menyebutthis information and if this information hal Gua di-kampong Dong di-daerah

can lead the Government to some of Raub is-itu kawasan saya sendiri. Sayathese caves where ancient statues and suka memberi keterangan supaya Yangpictures and other relics of ancient life Berhormat Perdana Menteri jangan di-

can be discovered, I think it would kelirukan oleh perchakapan Yang Ber-make any Malayan proud to know of hormat dari Damansara itu. SayaMalaya's past. In this connection I dengar Gua itu sa-rupa dengan Batu

would mention the Niah caves in Cave, tetapi tidak ada gambar orang.Sarawak and that in the Museum of Gua itu penoh dengan tahi kelawar.Sarawak you have a depiction of the Kalau hendak tahi kelawar, sila-lahpictures and facsimile drawings of the ambil. Gambar yang di-katakan itu

paintings in the Niah caves and it ada-lah gambar falsu, bukan gambarwould make anyone proud. Although betul.we are not Sarawakeans we ourselvesfeel proud that these illiterate cave Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muardwellers could paint the theory of evolu- Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendaktion long before there was a Darwin berchakap berkenaan dengan Museums.in this world. Mr Chairman, Sir, if we Saya mengalukan2 dan menguchapkansee those pictures we see painted the tahniah kapada Kerajaan kerana telahevolution of man from an orang utan mendirikan bangunan Museum yangright through the historic stages since berunsor dan berchorak kebudayaancivilization. If there could be such Melayu. Dengan ini dapat-lah kitathings discovered in Sarawak there may mengukor bahawa Persekutuan Tanahbe similar evidence of past life in the Melayu dan juga orang Melayu mem-caves in Malaya. Although what I am punyai kebudayaan dan kesenian. Sayasaying is more or less a conjecture, but harap di-waktu pembukaan bangunanI say this based on what I have heard Museum yang baharu itu hendak-lahfrom our own Malayan villagers who di-tunjokkan adat-istiadat orangsay they have been to these caves and I Melayu di-zaman perba dahulu sa-see no reason for doubting what they bagaimana yang telah di-buat sa-waktusay. So I would suggest that in the perkahwinan Puteri Sharifah Salwainterest of preserving or knowing our dengan Tengku Sulaiman. Tujuan sayahistory the Government should investi- is-lah untok menghidupkan kebudayaangate into the caves in the Ipoh area and dan kesenian orang Melayu. Di-the caves around Kampong Dong near Museum ini-Iah rumah khazanah ke-Raub and find out if there really are budayaan dan kesenian. Sa-lain dari-such statues. pada itu, di-bangunan Museum itu akan

di-pamirkan lukisan2 Kerajaan MelayuAnother problem that would face the zaman yang lampau, Kerajaan zaman

Museum in this respect is that in the Islam dan juga Kerajaan Melayucaves that are reported to contain these zaman merdeka mi. Ada satu perkara

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yang hendak saya sebutkan is-itulukisan yang di-pamirkan itu ada satulukisan Hang Tuah, barangkali yangdi-padankan dengan buku cherita HangTuah. Saya harap dapat di-fikirkan sa-mula supaya padankan-lah lukisanHang Tuah itu dengan buku cheritayang akan di-terbitkan oleh DewanBahasa dan Pustaka, sebab bukucherita Hang Tuah yang lama itu ber-unsorkan Parsi, yang cherita-nyakadang2 takhayyul sangat.

Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak(Melaka Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganmuzium. Di-Ibu Kota ini ada satumuzium yang di-namakan MuziumNegara. Muzium ini sangat besar erti-nya kapada sa-sabuah negara. MuziumNegara kita ini akan menjadi tumpuanpara pelanchong dari luar negeri yangakan datang ka-negara kita ini. Sayafikir daripada sekarang ini patut-lahpehak yang berkenaan meluaskan danmelengkapkan Muzium ini denganbenda2 yang bersangkut-paut denganperkembangan Malaysia, sebab dari-pada penerangan yang kita dapat is-ituKuala Lumpur juga .

Enche ' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad:Tuan. Pengerusi, on a point of order.Saya rasa berkenaan dengan MuziumNegara yang sedang di-buat itu per-untokan-nya ada dalam DevelopmentEstimates. Jadi perkara yang hendakdi-buat itu ada-kah masok dalamordinary estimates ini?

Mr Chairman : Perkara yang tuanchakapkan itu masok di-dalam Deve-lopment Estimates; walau pun perkaraitu ada j uga kena-mengena denganKepala 10.

Enche ' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak: TuanPengerusi, saya berchakap perkara ituoleh sebab ada kena-mengena denganKepala 10. Sekarang ini sa-bagaimanayang kita tahu di-Taiping ada Muzium.Saya harap benda2 yang akan di-letakkan dalam Muzium Negara inimutu-nya jangan-lah rendah daripadaMuzium yang ada di-tempat lainsaperti di-Singapura, sebab kita semuasudah menengok benda2 itu.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek(Dungun): Tuan Pengerusi, saya akanberchakap sadikit di-dalam perkara

Museums. Di-dalam soal ini, TuanPengerusi, saya minta supaya Item (3)ini Assistant Librarian itu supayamengambil perhatian tidak denganbarang2 antique tetapi juga kerajinan2tangan wanita Melayu antique yang di-buat zaman dahulu di-kumpulkan dandi-tunjokkan di-dalam Museum mi.Jadi nyatakan-lah bahawa wanita2Melayu mula daripada zaman2 dahulukala ada mempunyai ìlmu pengetahuandan tidak kalah dari wanita2 laindalam dunia luar.

The Prime Minister : Tuan Pengerusi,saya menguchapkan terima kaseh di-atas segala pendapat yang telah di-keluarkan. Apa yang suka saya sebut-kan di-sini is-itu tiap2 perkhabaranyang di-terima oleh Pegawai2 Museumsaperti barang2 asli ada-lah semua-nyaini di-pereksa dengan serta-merta.Dengan sebab itu kalau sa-kira-nyaada lagi barang2 yang Pegawai2 inibelum tahu, tolong-lah Ahli YangBerhormat dari Damansara menulissurat kapada. Pegawai ini dan, tindakanakan di-ambil. Tetapi sa-bagaimanayang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dari Raub itu, ini semua-nyatidak ada, tahi kelawar sahaja yangada. Jadi sa-kira-nya ada lain2 per-kara yang berguna dan boleh mem-bawa kehormatan yang tinggi kapadaMuseum ini, kita boleh-lah jalankan.Dengan itu saya harap dapat di-lulus-kan perbelanjaan yang tersebut mi.


The sum of $260,885 for Head S. 10ordered to stand part of the Schedule.

Head S. 11

The Prime Minister: Sir, I beg tomove that the sum of $1,112,568 underSupply Head 11 be approved. Perhapsa little explanation is necessary as therehas been an increase to this Head.

In general, there is a necessity for upto date statistics and the ever-increasingdemand for more information, parti-cularly with the Federation developingrapidly, which will be more manifestin the coming year. Even with theenvisaged expansion, the Departmentwill be small in relation to similardepartments in comparable countries.The keen role that the Department has


to play in the development of thecountry has been fully recognised bythe Government. A Committee,appointed to consider the futuredevelopment of statistical service inGovernment , has, in its recommenda-tions which have been accepted by theGovernment , recommended a vastly in-creased statistical service . The increasein expenditure is fully justified as theDepartment is to be an essential link inthe whole development programme,because it will be providing the neces-sary statistical data to facilitate policydecisions.

In respect of Sub -head 1, Items (2)and (3), Senior Statisticians , two postsof Senior Statisticians are being createdin 1963 . The expansion in the work andthe increase in the number of otherposts will necessitate the appointmentof two senior professional officers.These posts will enable the maintenanceof a proper balance between the ratioof senior staff and the total establish-ment . The Statisticians now with theDepartment are young and inexpe-rienced , and it is essential that they begiven ìn-training ' by fully experiencedsenior Statisticians.

Then , under Sub-head 1 , Item (4)Statisticians : one additional Statisticianis required for the Building and Con-struction Section , which is to be set upin 1963 . Their job will be to check onthe volume of construction activityduring the Second Five-Year Plan. Thesecond officer is required for theSampling Survey Section . This , again,is a new Section which will undertakethe sampling service in many fields ofactivities for which no information isavailable at present.

Then , Sub-head 1,, Item (6) Adminis-trative Officer : the volume of adminis-trative work has increased with thegrowth of the Department . Besidesbeing an intolerable load on the alreadyfew senior officers , it is consideredhighly uneconomical ; and the servicesof professional officers should be con-centrated on tasks that requirespecialised knowledge . Therefore, theofficer appointed as administrativeofficer will take over purely adminis-trative tasks from professional officerswho are now undertaking these tasks.

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Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang):Mr Chairman, Sir, I now speak underSub-head 1, Item (1) Chief Statistician.I am glad to hear from the PrimeMinister that more people are nowbeing given the job to produce betterstatistics in conjunction with the ruraldevelopment planning of Malaya, but Inotice that the statistics supplied so farhave not been good enough for thepurpose. For example, in the monthlystatistics we cannot get detailed figuresof the acreage of rubber in Malaya; theacreage of rubber in Malaya is just arough estimate of 3,500,000 acres andthis has been the figure since 1959. Wehave also a rough estimate of theacreage for other agricultural crops,but no detailed figure is given foreach particular crop, such as tapioca,vegetable stuffs, and so on. We alsodo not have an accurate figure of theacreage planted with coconut. Therefore,Sir, I wonder how the staff in theDevelopment Section can carry outtheir planning if they do not have thesefigures to rely on. I hope this Depart-ment of the Ministry can be improvedto supply detailed figures, especiallyfigures on agricultural statistics andindustries.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Mohamed KhirJohari): Mr Chairman; Sir, with regardto the point raised by the HonourableMember for Rawang, I would like tosay that an agricultural census wasstarted in 1959 and the work in respectof this census is expected to be woundup by the end of this year, and Ithink it should be ready in printedform some time in the middle of nextyear. When that is available, I am surethe Honourable Member for Rawangwill get a copy.

The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman,Sir, I have nothing more to add to thereply already given by my Honourablecolleague. I hope the HonourableMember is satisfied with the replygiven. I move that the sum of$1,112,568 be approved.


The sum of $1,112,568 for HeadS. 11 ordered to stand part of theSchedule.

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Head S. 12-

The Prime Minister: Mr Chairman,Sir, I move that a sum of $7,500,000for Head S. 12 be approved.

Enche' Chan Swee Ho (Ulu Kinta):Mr Chairman, Sir, in this debate I wishto refer to the extra grants for socialand welfare services. I would like tobring to the notice of the House thecomplaint of the residents of the newKopisan Village, ten miles to the southof Ipoh, on the removal of the balanceof 425 houses from the present localityto another area.

Sir, I understand that the Govern-ment has acquired this piece of landfor resettlement from Messrs Osborneand Chappel a mining companyunder an agreement for a period of tenyears. Now, Messrs Osborne & Chappelrequire this piece of land for miningoperations at the end of this month.In these 425 houses there are more than2,500 people who have been living inthem for over 11 years since theEmergency . During the emergency, thepeople had rendered full co-operationto the State Government towards theending of the Emergency. They aregood citizens and during the past 11years they have not enjoyed any benefitsprovided by Government there is nowater supply , electricity supply, noproper road , drainage and also nohygiene facilities.

The Assistant Minister of Labourand Social Welfare (Enche' V. Ma-nickavasagam): Mr Chairman, Sir, ona point of order -I think the speakeris referring to something which is notthe subject under discussion : this grantof $7,500,000 is for social welfareservices from the Lotteries Board. Ithink the Honourable Member isreferring to some services of the SocialWelfare Department.

Enche ' Chan Swee Ho: The fundsallotted for this Sub-head "Grants toSocial and Welfare Services" amountingto $7,500,000 is a big amount, and Iwould like to ask the Honourable thePrime Minister to allot the bulk ofthe money for the removal of thevillage.

Sir, now that Malaya is progres-sing, this village has been leftbehind completely. Under the Five-Year Development Plan every goodcitizen in this country has the rightto share the benefits of the variousdevelopment schemes. Now, the peopleof this poor village are facing greathardships and are in need of help verybadly, because they have to remove toother places and friends, relatives andfamilies have to stay separately. Thepeople are from various walks of liferubber tappers, farmers, labourers,schoolboys and they have to sufferterribly.

Sir, the new site offered by the StateGovernment is not satisfactory to themfor many reasons places of employ-ment, bringing the boys to school andother travelling difficulties. The peoplewould like to move to a piece of landbelonging to the State Government -apermanent piece of land which belongsto the State Government near Kam-pong Kepayang, eight miles from Ipohand two miles from the present locality.I cannot see why the State Governmentcannot allot this piece of land to them,as they would like to stay together asone community.

Sir, although the people have sentseveral petitions to the State Govern-ment , to the Honourable the MenteriBesar of Perak, and Honourable Mem-bers of the Executive Council, and alsoto the District Officer, unfortunately,no action has been taken on this matter.Now, as this is a very important matter,I appeal to the Honourable the PrimeMinister to look into the matter andtake immediate action, and also to callfor the papers. As a Member for thisconstituency , I shall be only too happyto take the Honourable the PrimeMinister to this village to meet thepeople, so that he can see things forhimself and help the people. I amaware that previously the Honourablethe Prime Minister had done a similarservice to the people of a village inKedah and we are also aware that theHonourable the Prime Minister hasdone a lot of good things for the poorpeople. Therefore, I am sure he will nothesitate to take immediate action

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although the request is from a memberof the Opposition. Thank you.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng: Mr Chair-man, Sir, I am referring to Sub-head 1of this section. I understand that thefunds from the Social Welfare LotteriesBoard is being kept here and theGovernment makes use of this moneyfor welfare services to help in the build-ing of mosques and other things. Inprinciple, this helping of the building ofwelfare institutions and such otherthings is all right, but what I feelperplexed here is the way it is beinggiven. I am surprised, or rather Iwonder at the timing of the Govern-ment in supplying funds to the variousinstitutions : for example, just oneweek before the Local Council electionin Kuala Kubu a certain Chineseprimary school in Kuala Kubu received$70,000 from this Fund, and SenatorMr T. H. Tan personally handed overthe money to the school board furtherthe principal of the school publiclycirculated papers to thank the M.C.A.for helping the school. (Laughter).

Sir, I am not against giving theschool $70,000 but what I am wonder-ing here is the timing. Why should theFund give this money just one weekbefore elections? I hope the Honour-able the Prime Minister will clarify thispoint for us.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew (DatoKramat): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish todevelop that argument further. It isobvious that the allegation in regard tothe use of the social welfare fund forpolitical purposes is widespread. It hasnot only been confined to the ChineseSchools in Kuala Lumpur. I think if theHonourable Prime Minister willremember, perhaps to his humiliation,he was asked to go, I believe, to Jinjang,when ten houses were burnt down there,to give $10,000 from the Social andWelfare Lotteries Fund and it waspresented to the people by theM.C.A.. . .

The Prune Minister: Sir, on a pointof information. That was from theParty fund and not from the SocialWelfare Fund.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am sorry.(Laughter). But the impression was that

this was a social welfare work by theAlliance, and the amount was given justafter the elections when the Alliancewon.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the method inwhich the Welfare Fund money is beingdistributed requires examination. Forexample, the distribution of milk in theState of Penang and in South ProvinceWellesley was done through theMembers of the Alliance. If we aregoing to have the benefits of the socialand welfare services .

Mr Chairman: The social welfareservices have been included in SupplyHead 48, Social Welfare. They are notincluded in this Head under the PrimeMinister.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair-man, Sir, may be I don't understandEnglish clearly, but here it says, "Grantsfor Social and Welfare Services". By"grants," I presume, are monies givenout for social and welfare services.

Mr Chairman : But you mentionedjust now about the use which isincluded in the Supply Head 48, SocialWelfare. It is not included here.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : In otherwords, are we not supposed to debate itat all now? This grant of $7,500,000,I presume, comes from the LotteriesBoard and is being taken out of theConsolidated Fund and put into Socialand Welfare Services. Therefore, thequestion would arise as to whether ornot this money should go to the Socialand Welfare Services. And I say itshould not go to the Social and Wel-fare Services because this grant forthe social and welfare services is beingused by the Alliance for politicalpurposes. Would that not be relevant?I am entirely subject to your rulingon this matter, Sir.

Mr Chairman: Please proceed.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : Because ofthese widespread malpractices (forexample, distribution of milk in SouthProvince Wellesley has been donethrough Alliance quarters and a greatdeal of social and welfare services havebeen used for the purposes of buildingmosques, not actually for the purposes


of religion but for the political purposesof the UMNO). The motive and theaim of these services has been pervertedto the purpose of the Alliance. Now,again for example, we have asked inPenang for an X-ray Unit for tuber-culosis cases. We did this because weknew that the incidence of tuberculosisis very high, as high as 25% in certainquarters, and that tuberculosis is adisease peculiar to slum conditions intowns and overcrowded areas. But ourrequest was turned down. Five housescollapsed in the Jelutong area duringa storm, and the people have beenrendered homeless. They are now stay-ing in the Community Centre of thePenang City Council. No fund has beengiven to them. There is a mosque thatrequires rebuilding but it happens to bewithin the George Town City Councillimits, so the Welfare Department nevergave us any funds and the City Councilhas had to help build the mosque withits own funds. Then there is a Hindutemple, which the MIC is veryinterested in, in Penang. But if you wereto ask the MIC, it would say, "We willgive you money from the Social andWelfare Lotteries Services Fund pro-vided you do not ask the City Councilto help. If you do that we are notgoing to interfere." Therefore the CityCouncil now has to find money to helprebuild that Hindu temple which is inthe danger of collapse.

We feel, since this Services Fund hasbeen perverted to the use of theAlliance propaganda, that either thismoney should not be granted to theSocial Welfare Services or anotherNational Board should be set up withmembers of all parties on the Board. Ifthe Government denies that such fundsare being used for political purposes,then why should it fear members ofother parties being included on thatBoard to make sure that the distributionis fair?

Of course we feel that, although itwould appear that the money is beingprovided only for certain purposes,that the overall distribution of themoney has not been fair. For example,there is very little money now beingused in certain States where there is a

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great need for subsidy to prevent star-vation.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the MIC hasstarted a fund and this fund is used forthe purposes of setting up rubber estateco-operatives. There has been accusa-tion that some pressure has been puton people to contribute towards thisfund accusations generally against theMIC and the Alliance already so wellwidespread especially in regard to thesocial and welfare services and thedistribution of money in proportion toeach State. If a new Board is set upand if members of the Opposition par-ties are included therein, it wouldcertainly prevent such accusation. Ifthese accusations are false, then whatis the fear of including some membersof the Opposition in that Board? But,of course, if there is malpractice andthe funds have been diverted for otheruses, then of course there is everyreason why we should be excluded and,Mr Chairman, I propose that theHonourable Prime Minister go into thismatter and find out on the ground-levelhow the members of the Alliance havetwisted the purpose of the Fund fortheir own purposes; maybe theHonourable Prime Minister is so busywith Malaysia and the Sino-Indianborder dispute that he is not aware ofthis.

Enche' Ismail bin Idris (Penang Sela-tan): Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka hendakberchakap sadikit berkenaan denganuchapan Yang Berhormat dari DatoKramat. Sunggoh pun dia sa-orangloyar, tetapi ada di-antara perkara2yang di-sebutkan-nya tadi barangkalidia tidak tahu. Yang p rtama, sayasuka memberitahu Majlis ini berke-nnaan dengan 5 buah rumah yangdi-katakan telah roboh di-kawasanJelutong. Kawasan ini di-perentah olehSocialist Front. Yang sa-benar-nya,5 buah rumah yang runtoh ini ada-lah rumah yang paling burek sa-kaliyang tidak dapat di-baiki, dan rumahini bukan hak sa-siapa, tetapi haksa-orang taukeh. Pehak Socialist Frontdan Pehak Alliance ada melawatrumah itu, tetapi dengan usaha2 d ari-pada pehak Alliance, maka pehakPei abat Kebab ikan Masharakat telahmemberi $200.00 kapada satu famili.

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Saya fakir Yang Berhormat dariDato Kramat tidak tahu.

Yang kedua, berkenaan denganpemberian susu di-sekolah2. Wangpemberian susu di-Pulau Pinang bukan-lah wang daripada peruntokan inidi-tempat lain saya ta' tahu. Susuini datang-nya daripada badan sukareladari Amerika, yang memberi susudi-kampong2, dan kami juga sa-bagaipertubohan sukarela suka hendakmemberi susu kapada orang kampongdan kapada budak2 yang tidak men-dapat susu. Sa-lain daripada itu,berkenaan dengan pemberian wangkapada Masjid. Saya suka hendakmenyatakan kapada Yang Berhormatitu is-itu Masjid bukan-lah di-kuasaloleh 1JMNO, sebab dia ada jawatan-kuasa. Maka jawatan-kuasa Masjidsendiri buat permintaan kapada P'ejabatKebajikan Masharakat untok menda-patkan pertolongan wang. Dan untokpengetahuan Yang Berhormat itu sagasuka menyatakan sa-buah ChineseTemple telah pun dapat peruntokansa-banyak $15,000 pada tahun yanglalu, bagitu juga sa-buah IndianTemple di-Bukit Bendera telah men-dapat $10,000.

Eache ' Lim Kean Siew : Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of clarification.Obviously we are talking of differenttemples, because mine is not BukitBendera Temple.

Enche' Ismail bin Idris: Tetapi walaubagaimana pun, peruntokan itu bukandi-untokkan kapada orang Melayusahaja, bahkan kapada Chinese Templedan. Indian Temple. Sa-lain daripadaitu, ada dua buah sekolah China telahdi-beri $15,000 is-itu di-Free SchoolRoad dan sa-buah lagi di-Jalan BukitGamba di-beri $16,000, yang manakawasan ini jagaan Socialist Front.Ini-lah sahaja perkara yang berlakudi-Pulau Pinang yang saya suka sebut-kan untok pengetahuan Yang Ber-hormat itu.

Dr Burhanuddin bin Mohd. boor(Besut): Tuan Pengerusi, pada mula-nya saya tidak hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan hal ini sebabsa-bagaimana yang telah di-terangkanperkara ini masok dalam bahagianSocial Welfare. Tetapi manakala Yang

Berhormat Perdana Menteri ketikamengemukakan hal ini tidak memberiapa2 penerangan dan manakala, TuanPengerusi, telah membenarkan per-kara ini di-bahathkan, dan wangitu ada-lah wang loteri, maka sayasuka menarek perhatian kembali dalamperkara itu. Wang loteri ini sudahpanj ang kita bahathkan, balk dalamDewan ini mahu pun di-luar Dewanmi. Wang loteri itu telah di-masokkanka-dalam Perbendaharaan Negara. Se-karang ini kita membahathkan berke-naan dengan Kepala 12 is-itu Grantsfor Social Welfare Services. Sayasuka menyatakan bahawa wang iniada-lah wang loteri. Kepala 12 inidi-bawah jagaan Perdana Menteri,tetapi Menteri Muda menerangkanbahawa hal ini akan di-bahathkandalam bahagian Social Welfare. Di-sini sudah menunj okkan bahawa kedu-dokan yang tertentu tentang wang inijuga maseh menjadi tanda tanya.Hal ini sama dengan wang loteri yangdi-bahathkan haram-nya di-dalam dandi-luar Dewan ini, sebab tidak adabeza-nya is-itu daripada mula lagisudah menimbulkan salah pengertiandan ini mungkin menimbulkan ben-chana dan beberapa kekusutan danwang ini akan di-salahgunakan. Jikatidak di-susun dan di-ator denganlebeh kemas untok menjaga kebersehanmoral negeri ini, maka wang itu akandi-salahgunakan (abuse). Yang Ber-hormat dari Dato Kramat telahmemberikan pandangan-nya. Saya fikirpandangan-nya itu patut di-timbangkan,sa-kurang2-nya chadangan-nya itu sa-bagai satu dasar untok mengkajikedudokan wang mi.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd . Sidek:Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka mengambilbahagian berchakap dalam hal mi.Kalau sa-kira-nya ada di-antara Ahli2Yang Berhormat mengemukakan per-mintaan-nya, maka saya di-sini inginmeminta kapada Dewan ini supayaperuntokan $7,500,000 kapada Socialand Welfare Services itu memberipertolongan kapada anak Melayu yangbergeliga otak-nya yang tidak dapatmeneruskan pelajaran-nya sebab ibu-bapa-nya tidak ada kemampuan. Sayaminta perkara ini, Tuan Pengerusi,kerana pada masa yang lalu sayapernah membawa satu usul di-


dalam Dewan ini yang berbunyi"Supaya Dewan yang bertuah iniakan mengambil keputusan menga-dakan peruntokan untok membantuanak Melayu yang bergeliga otak-nyayang tidak dapat meneruskan pela-jaran-nya sebab ibu-bapa-nya tidakada kemampuan." Usul saya ini telahdi-tolak, sebab saya sa-harus-nyaterlebeh dahulu bertanya kapada pehakKementerian Kewangan kalau sa-kira-nya ada wang. Saya fikir kalau sayaberbuat demikian tentu penj awapanyang saya akan terima is-lah tidakada wang untok memberi bantuan itu,atau tidak ada peruntokan.

Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, saya fikir ini-lah satu peluang yang besar supayaYang Berhormat Perdana Menteri danMenteri2 Kerajaan bermurah hatimengambil peruntokan yang $7 jutaini memberi bantuan kapada anakMelayu, sa-bagaimana yang di-siarkandalam surat khabar, budak2 itumenangis sebab tidak dapat bersekolah,kerana ibu-bapa-nya tidak ada wang.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,juga supaya di-ambil dari wang per-untokan ini supaya di-berikan kapadaanak2 Sekolah Melayu is-itu dalamSekolah Kebangsaan di-kampong2 yanganak2 itu pergi bersekolah tidak adamempunyai buku2 di-sebabkan olehorang tua-nya itu tidak ada mempunyaikewangan untok membeli buku2 anakitu. Jadi, Kerajaan kita yang sayadengar daripada Kementerian Pelajaranhendak membaiki keadaan SekolahKebangsaan di-luar2 bandar, maka itusatu jalan yang sangat molek, yangsangat bagus akan memberi pujiankapada Kerajaan kita jika Kerajaandapat mengambil peruntokan wang ituuntok membeli buku2 bagi anak2 orangMelayu di-kampong2 yang pergi sekolahtidak ada mempunyai buku.

Satu perkara lagi, Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak merayu di-sini, tolong-lahberikan bantuan kapada anak2 dalamSekolah Kebangsaan yang dahulu-nyaterpileh masok ka-kelas Special MalayClass di-dalam Sekolah Jenis Kebang-saan yang sekarang manakala merekasudah sampai ka-tingkatan VI masokka-Sekolah Menengah. Tuan Pengerusi,maka mereka itu terpaksa kena bayarwang sekolah $5.00 sa-bulan. Berpuloh2

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murid dalam kawasan Dungun merayukapada saya meminta kalau bolehjangan-lah mereka itu di-berhentikansekolah kerana mereka di-tuntut olehguru2-nya wang sekolah sa-lama 4bulan masing2 di-kenakan bayar $20.00.Jadi, berpuloh2 dari mereka yangdahulu-nya di-pileh oleh Kerajaanmasok Sekolah Jenis KebangsaanSpecial Malay Class oleh kerana tidakada wang, Tuan Pengerusi, untokmembayar wang masok SekolahMenengah maka mereka tertinggal-lahdaripada. bersekolah. Jadi keranaurusan wang ini-lah dan untok kebaji-kan membantu orange yang tidak adakemampuan maka saya merayu-lah di-sini sa-bagai sa-orang ibu bangsaMelayu yang ingin hendak anak2kita betul2 dapat di-berikan per-tolongan oleh Kerajaan yang padahari ini memang berikhtiar hendakmemajukan anak2 Melayu di-kam-pong2 maka saya minta-lah supayaKerajaan dengan ada-nya $7,500,000dapat di-buktikan dan dapat di-berikanpertolongan kapada anak2 Melayu di-kampong2 yang mengharapkan sangat2bantuan daripada Kerajaan untokmeneruskan pelajaran mereka di-dalamsekolah2.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,saya juga meminta, dengan peruntokanini kalau boleh Kerajaan mengadakanlatehan2 atau di-adakan rumah2 untokmembaiki nasib anak2 muda kita yangtidak dapat menyambongkan per-sekolahan-nya mithal-nya dia fail di-dalam examination untok L.C.E. makasekarang anak2 ini terbiar di-merata2tempat sa-hingga menjadi ... .

The Prime Minister : Tuan Pengerusi,ini di-bawah Education, saya ta' dapattimbangkan hal mi.

Mr Chairman : Itu bukan termasokdalam Supply 12 yang kita untokkansa-banyak $7,500,000. Perkara itu bolehdi-chakapkan lepas ini nanti.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek:Terima kaseh. Sa-betul-nya, TuanPengerusi, saya tahu; saya memanghendak berchakap di-dalam soul yangTuan Pengerusi tunjokkan itu tetapiada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang laintelah membawa kapada ranchangan2yang di-masokkan di-sini maka saya

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sa-betul-nya membawa pula perkara itujuga. Kalau sa-kira-nya Tuan Pengerusitidak memerlukan saya berchakapsekarang, boleh-lah saya berchakap di-atas perkara ini nanti. Tuan Pengerusi,saya akan patoh dengan perentah TuanPengerusi dan saya habiskan uchapansaya ini dengan merayu mudah2an,Tuan Pengerusi, pehak Kementerianini akan mengambil perhatian danmengeluarkan peruntokan daripada$7,500,000 bagi kepentingan anak2 kitaorang Melayu, terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe-rang Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, sayaingin hendak mengambil bahagiandalam perbahathan dalam perkaraperuntokan kapada kebajikan masha-rakat. Pada dasar-nya JawatanKebajikan Masharakat ini di-kawaloleh sa-buah Jawatan-Kuasa KebajikanMasharakat Negeri dan daerah masing2.Dasar yang ada sekarang ini padapendapat saya patut-lah mendapatkajian daripada Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri supaya dapat-lah di-gunakan wang2 peruntokan itu dengansa-penoh2-nya. Saya juga PengerusiJawatan-Kuasa Kebajikan Masharakatdi-daerah saya dan telah mengalamibeberapa kesulitan yang mana kitatelah di-beri tugas untok memberibantuan sementara kapada orange yangsangat susah, yang tidak ada makandan pakaian supaya di-berikan bantuansa-banyak $22.00 sa-bulan sa-lama 3bulan. Dan kapada orange yang susahorang yang miskin tidak dapat-lah kitaberikan duit kapada mereka sa-hinggachukup sa-tahun.

Ada juga orange yang susah sapertihendak membeli buku, Jawatan-Kuasadaerah ada juga memberi bantuankapada orange ini. Tetapi, TuanPengerusi, sa-lepas kita bagi sa-lamatiga bulan bantuan ini mithal-nya$22.00 sa-bulan, kalau tiga bulan$66.00, sa-lepas itu dia datang pulakali yang keempat-nya meminta lagibantuan. Jadi, dengan chara ini-lah kitaselalu mendatangkan kesulitan yangbanyak kapada orange yang menerimabantuan itu dan balek sa-mula memintabantuan itu lagi. Chara yang baginitidak dapat kita benarkan di-berikanbantuan kerana orang lain juga patut

mendapat sama. Jadi bertambah-lahorang yang berkelayakan yang patutdapat bantuan.

Saya berharap supaya perkara inidapat di-timbangkan atau pun di-kajisa-mula di-atas satu chara kita mem-bagi outright grant is-itu bantuanpermulaan sa-bagai modal bagi kapadaorang yang susah itu sa-bagaimana di-tuj ukan untok di-buat sa-bagai pilotscheme. Kita patut bagi bantuandengan chukup chara-nya is-itu kitaberhubong dengan tuan Pegawai Hai-wan supaya dapat di-bagikan 20 ekorayam yang boleh bertelor tiap2 harikapada orange yang susah ini. Denganada-nya bantuan sa-banyak 20 ekorayam di-beri sa-kali gus maka dapat-lah orange yang susah ini memunguttelor sa-hari kata-lah 10 atau 15 bijidan dapat pula berpanjangan bantuanitu. Jadi saya berharap-lah perkara inimendapat perhatian di-atas pemberianbantuan ini moga2 dapat di-kaji sa-mula sa-bagaimana yang telah sayasebutkan is-itu bantuan menternakuntok buat modal atau di-beri barang2untok jual kueh-kah atau di-beri lesenuntok perniagaan kechil yang pendapat-nya itu boleh dapat sa-ringgit atau sa-ringgit sa-tengah sa-hari, sekian, TuanPengerusi.

Enche ' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair-man, Sir, I am afraid the Member forPulau Pinang Selatan has misunderstoodthe implication of my address just now.I did not say that no money had beengiven. I said that money had been givento temples and so on, but the purposeshave been perverted and used andgiven a flavour that it is the Alliancewho had given this money.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I did not want togo into details just now, but I think Ihave to do so in this instance nowthat I am challenged. In the first place,the Lotteries Board supervises both therunning and the distribution of themoney. Is it not a fact that the moneynow....

Enche' V. Manickavasagam: On apoint of clarification, Mr Chairman,Sir. If the Honourable Member wouldremember, just a few months ago anew legislation was brought up

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in this House whereby the distribu-tion is now looked after by onecommittee, and the collection is byanother comittee.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I thank theHonourable the Assistant Minister forhis interruption. I shall go on nowto say that the Board has, in fact,been both responsible for the super-vising the running of the lotteriesand the distribution of the benefitsgathered from the lotteries. Thereis an attempt now to put it undera different Board. We do not know atthe moment the exact implications withregard to distribution, but the facts arethese : firstly, as regards the supervisingof the lotteries, there have beenrumours, which should be cleared upby the Honourable the Prime Minister,of malpractices in the running oflotteries in the small towns. Now, Sir,I do not say that this is true, but thesituation should be clarified, becausethe rumours are widespread and,especially, as one of the Senators hasbeen to a large extent responsible forthe supervision of the lotteries, parti-cularly in the drawing of numbers.

The other point that I would like torefer to is the question of distribution.We do not say that there has been nodistribution : we say there have beenmalpractices. First of all, let me quoteone instance in Kuala Kurau. TheHonourable the Minister of Works,Posts and Telecommunications, wentthere to deal with a piece of templeland that had been occupied by aprivate capitalist, who is also a memberof the Alliance. He said, or words tothat effect, "Why should you bother?If you are not given compensation, wewill." Now, Sir, this is a promise on thespot by the Minister. So, how can theBoard be independent if a Minister cango to the spot and promise that certainsums of money can be paid, unless theMinister can influence the Board? Inanother instance there are plentymore the Honourable the DeputyPrime Minister went to Bukit Mertajam,when the Member for Seberang Selatanwas absent, and promised certain sumsof money to be given for the develop-ment and requirements of certaincouncil needs. Again, there is another

instance of the former Assistant Minis-ter of Rural Development who wentto Kampong Bharu and promised thata certain allocation from the Boardwould be made he promised a sum of$2,000. Then, again, the AssistantMinister of Labour is reported to havepromised in Serdang a certain sum ofmoney.

Sir, these are instances which I wouldlike to refer the House to. I am notaccusing the Government of corruption.I am accusing the Government of deli-berately intending to pervert the use ofthe funds to give it a flavour that onlythe Alliance can deliver the moneyfrom the Social Welfare Lotteries.However, as long as we have a Boardwhich is under the influence of theMinisters, there is a tendency, con-sciously or otherwise, to use these fundsfor certain purposes. Mr Chairman, Sir,my accusation is that there had beenon the spot promises by Ministers andAssistant Ministers of aid through theWelfare Lotteries Board. If that is so,then why have a Board, especially ifthe Board is not independent?

Another thing is that we have sooften seen the photographs of the hand-some faces of our Ministers presentingcheques from the Social WelfareLotteries Board to various institutions.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar bin Hasan Aibar(Johor Tenggara) : No more now.

Enche' Lion Kean Siew: If the ex-Assistant Minister of Information wouldkeep his voice down, I would be heardwith greater clarity. I am glad, MrChairman, Sir, that this is now nolonger the practice. But this practicehas been going on for a long time, andI do not know if it has actuallystopped : the fact is that we often seeMinisters presenting cheques, especiallyat convenient times around electionstime. I know that people like to becharitable, but one must remember thatanything that is a national effort shouldbe given the flavour of a national effort.If the Social Welfare Lotteries are runas a national matter, then the moneymust be distributed as if it is a nationalfund without any flavour or without anybias to any Party, either in distributionor in promises. I say that it is on the


spot promises that have this bias, thisflavour; and it is in the distribution ofthese prizes, the handing over, that wesee this bias, and it is this bias whichmakes it very difficult to accept that thisFund is not used deliberately for thepropaganda of the Alliance instead offor the Government. We have theimpression that the Board is, in fact,under the control of the Ministers andit is no longer independent. Therefore,we must have distribution throughindependent bodies, promises by theBoard itself and not by the Ministerswho are not members of the Board, andMinisters should not make distributionor promises without first gettingresolutions or decisions from the Board.

Enche' Abdul Rauf bin Abd.Rahman (Irian Laut): Tuan Penge-rusi, saya suka berchakap sadikit ber-kenaan dengan perkara 1 sub-head 12ini is-itu berkenaan dengan tudohan2yang kita dengar baharu sa-kejap iniis-itu tudohan2 daripada Yang Berhor-mat dari Dato Kramat, bersangkutdengan sate perkara yang terjadi di-dalam kawasan saya sendiri is-ituWakil Dato Kramat mengatakan YangBerhormat Menteri Kerja Raya telahmemberi pengakuan di-tempat ituuntok memberi wang bantuan dari-pada Lottery Kebajikan Masharakatkapada Temple, To'kong Hindu KualaKurau. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sayaberasa hairan ada-kah Yang Berhor-mat itu sendiri ada di-tempat itu.Saya sa-orang daripada-nya yangmengambil berat perkara itu dari-pada mula hingga selesai. Dan per-kara itu satu perkara yang merbahayayang boleh mematikan lima enam orangdan berpuloh2 orang mogok lapar. Sayatidak pernah dengar Yang BerhormatMenteri Kerja Raya memberi penga-kuan kapada orange India itu is-ituselesaikan perkara itu akan memberipengakuan memberi duit welfare untokmembena To'kong Hindu di-tempat itu.Saya meneaaakan dengan mengatakanada-lah tudohan2 Ahli Yang Berhormatdari Dato Kramat kapada Yang Ber-hormat Menteri Kerja Raya sa-kali2tidak betul daàwaan itu, dan ini bukansatu perkara yang boleh di-mudah2kan,barangkali Yang Berhormat dari DatoKramat hanya mendapat berita dari-pada Yang Berhormat . . . . . . .

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Enche' Lim Kean Siew: On a pointof clarification.

Mr Chairman: Boleh-kah di-benar-kan-nya.

Enche' Abdul Rauf bin AbdulRahman: Saya tidak beri jalan keranadia ada-lah sa-orang Lawyer manakaladia berpusing2 berputar2 belit akanmengelirukan saya (Ketawa). Yang sa-benar-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, perkara itusaya sa-bagai Wakil Raàyat di-kawasan itu, Menteri Besar Perak, SetiaUsaha Kerajaan Negeri Perak,Penasehat Undang2 Negeri Perak, jugadan wakil2 orange India di-tempat itudan juga orang China di-tempat itubersama2 Yang Berhormat MenteriKerj a Raya sudah membuat saturundingan macham mana hendak me-nyelesaikan perkara itu.

Jadi dalam perundingan ini bukan-lah Yang Berhormat itu sendiri mem-ber pengakuan-nya, tetapi is-lah dari-pada orange yang mengambil bahagiandalam rundingan. Ini-lah chara-nyayang boleh di-selesaikan, pendek-nyakalau boleh di-selesaikan dua belahpehak dengan bertolak ansor, kitaakan memanjangkan kapada Kerajaanuntok memberi bantuan daripadakebajikan masharakat kapada To'kong2Hindu. Berkenaan apa yang di-katakan terhadap Yang BerhormatMenteri Kerj a Raya yang memberibantuan ini, di-sini wakil Dato Kramattahu-lah yang sa-benar-nya apa kepu-tusan yang terjadi di-Kuala Kurau itu.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Ahli YangBerhormat wakil Dato Kramat itumenyatakan yang Menteri Muda Pem-bangunan Luar Bandar pergi melawatmana2 tempat, bila kita merayudapat-lah bantuan $2,000 atau $3,000.Sa-tahu saya, di-kawasan saya sendiribekas Menteri Muda PembangunanLuar Bandar ada datang melawatdi-sana. Pendudok2 di-sana telah me-rayu kapada Yang Berhormat MenteriMuda bagi meminta itu dan memintaini. Jadi dengan sebab belas kasehanMenteri Muda itu melihatkan halkeadaan hendak membuat madrasaholeh kerana sudah burok maka di-benarkan wang kebenaran sa-banyak$1,000-$2,000 tetapi bukan-lah daripadaPejabat Kebajikan Masharakat malah

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wang itu di-beri daripada wang pem-bangunan luar bandar yang sudahdi-terima. Saya tahu yang wang itudatang-nya daripada wang Ranchang-an Pembangunan Luar Bandar bukandaripada Pejabat Kebajikan Masha-rakat saperti yang di-katakan yangwang itu di-beri dengan sebab lawatan-nya itu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari DatoKramat dan Ahli Yang Berhormatdari Rawang telah bertanya YangAmat Berhormat Perdana Menteri,apa fasal duit bantuan di-sekolah2China Rawang di-beri sa-waktu hendakdekat pilehan raya. Jawapan ini,barangkali Yang Amat BerhormatPerdana Menteri dapat menjawab-nya.Satu tudohan yang di-katakan-nya itutentang duit social welfare yang di-beriuntok masjid2 is-lah di-buat-nya pro-paganda. Saya fikir duit berkenaandengan social welfare itu bukan-nyasahaja di-beri kapada masjid2, tetapijuga kapada sekolah2 China. Di-kawasan saya sendiri, saya fikirbantuan yang di-beri oleh social welfareboleh di-katakan besar juga is-itu$30,000. Pada fikiran saya bantuanyang di-beri itu bukan-lah untok hen-dak membuat propaganda atau lain2,tetapi hanya-lah di-beri atas permintaanorange di-situ. Bila sampai permintaanorange itu maka di-luluskan sama adahendak di-beri lusa atau pada masapilehan raya, maka itu terserah-lah ka-pada yang berkenaan. Jadi ini ada-lahsatu tudohan is-itu apakala KerajaanPerikatan membuat sa-suatu perkara,maka di-katakan itu ada-lah propa-ganda itu dan ini dan hendal^ menarekundi. Saya fikir pada masa hadapanjangan-lah sebutkan lagi, kerana kitasama2 ada parti dan sama2 hendakchari undi, jadi ada macham2 charayang kita hendak menchari undi untokperj alanan parti masing2.

Tuan Syed Ja àfar bin Hasan Albar(Johor Tenggara): Tuan Pengerusi,saya satu pagi ini dudok diam ta'mahu berchakap, saya ta'' berchadanghendak berchakap tetapi bila mende-ngar Ahli Yang Berhormat dari DatoKramat yang mempunyai confusedmind, saya ta' dapat menahan diridaripada memimpin atau pun menche-lekkan mata manusia mi. Saya ta' tahuapa yang di-chakapkan berkenaan

dengan loteri dan janji bagi hendakmenolong orange kampong dari wangPejabat Kebajikan Masharakat ini .

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of clarification.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar bin Hasan Albar:Dudok dahulu !

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: He has nobusiness to tell me to sit down. Iasked for clarification.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar bin Hasan Albar:Saya ta' benarkan. Saya ta' tahu waktudia berchakap tadi, ada-kah chakap-nya yang keluar itu daripada otakkepala-nya atau pun keluar daripadaperut-nya. Saya ta' fikir dia berchakaptadi datang dari buah fikiran otakkepala-nya . . . . .

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of order underS.O. 36 (1)---I don't know whether youthink that he is using abusive lang-uage ?

Mr Chairman: It is quite all rightit is not abusive language. Pleaseproceed.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar bin Hasan Albar:Tuan Pengerusi, saya sunggoh2 berasahairan, sa-orang yang mempunyaipengetahuan, kelulusan dan kelayakandalam undang2 telah merendahkandiri dan telah menjatohkan taraf-nyasampai bagitu rendah saperti AhliYang Berhormat dari Dato Kramat.Dia menyalahkan Menteri2 Kerajaanmembuat janji kapada orangekampong..... .

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : Mr Chair-man, Sir, I ask for your ruling again.Do you not consider his languageabusive? If not, I am afraid that heis certainly creating hostile feelings inme . . . . calling him an Arab mas-querading as a Malay. He says I amspeaking through my stomach. Thatis a physical impossibility because Icannot speak through my stomach.

Mr Chairman : (Kapada Tuan SyedJaà f ar) Dudok dahulu !

Tuan Syed Jaàfar bin Hasan Albar:What Standing Order?

Mr Chairman: Standing Order 36(1).

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Enche' Lim Kean Slew: If he isallowed to use offensive and insultinglanguage about, then I ask for yourpermission to use insulting languageagainst him. S.O. 36 (4) says that "Itshall be out of order to use offensiveand insulting language about membersof the House." I consider that languageinsulting about me and my profession.

Mr Chairman : Ahli Yang Berhor-mat, saya fikir Ahli Yang Berhor-mat tidak boleh berchakap dalamperkara ini. S.O. 36 (4) "It shallbe out of order to use offensive andinsulting language". Jadi ini kena-mengena dengan profession dia di-situ ta' usah sentoh perkara itu !

Tuan Syed Jaàfar; Saya tidak mem-babitkan profession dia, tetapi sayamembabitkan pengetahuan dia danuchapan-nya yang merendahkan tarafpengetahuan-nya, bukan taraf profes-sion-nya.

Enche' Lim Kean Slew: Is hechallenging the ruling from the Chair?

Tuan Syed Ja àfar: Saya menerang-kan kapada the Chair dan kapadaDewan mi. Tuan Pengerusi, saya benar2dukachita melihatkan telatah dankelakuan Yang Berhormat dari DatoKramat itu. Dia marah kapada pehakdi-sabelah sini, sebab apabila kita pergika-kampong2 berjanji dengan orangkampong hendak menolong mereka,sama ada dengan wang daripadaKebajikan Masharakat atau daripadaapa duit yang ada dalam tangan Kera-j aan. Apa salah-nya kita buat j anj i ?Kita Kerajaan yang berkuasa dalamnegeri ini, dan kewajipan kita memberijanji barangkali Socialist Front sudahjanjikan Shurga kominis kapadaraàyat kita tidak gadoh merekaberjanji.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I ask thathe should be asked to withdraw thatremark because under our InternalSecurity Act if any person supports thecommunists' cause he is subversive. Heis in fact calling us subversives whichputs us as illegal citizens of thiscountry, and I ask that he withdrawthat remark. I consider that mostinsulting. He should go back to Arabiaif he does not like this country(Laughter).

Tuan Syed Jaàfar: You go back toChina, to Chou En-Lai.

Mr Chairman: Saya minta tuanjangan-lah mendatangkan perkarayang boleh mendatangkan perbahathanini menjadi hangat yang menyebabkanYang Berhormat itu bangun beberapakali; kalau tidak perbahathan kita inilambat habis, sebab masa suntoksangat. Gunakan-lah perkataan yangsa-suai yang tidak boleh menerbitkanpersengkitaan di-antara satu sama lain.Saya mengingatkan ini bukan sahajakapada tuan, tetapi kapada semuaAhli2 Yang Berhormat dalam Dewanmi. Please proceed.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar : Tuan Pengerusi,saya sudah diam daripada pagi tadi.Tetapi uchapan Yang Berhormat itutelah membangkitkan kekeliruan. Kalaubenda itu keliru pada fikiran-nya biar-lah dia simpan kekeliruan-nya itudalam diri-nya sendiri ta' usah chubahendak kelirukan Dewan ini dan orangramai dalam negeri ini. Apa salah-nyakita sa-bagai Wakil Raàyat berjanjikapada raàyat?

Enche' Lim Kean. Siew: Mr Chair-man, on a point of order . . .

Mr Chairman: What order?

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : StandingOrder 36 (4). Mr Chairman, Sir, is hetrying to pick a quarrel with me or ishe debating, because I find his mannermost abusive and insulting.

Mr Chairman: No, I think he istrying to say that in reply to yourstatement.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : On a pointof order, I think the manner in which aperson delivers his speech can also beabusive. I am objecting also to hismanner.

Mr Chairman : I am giving the rulingthat he has a right to reply to yourspeech.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong):Mr Chairman, Sir, may I draw yourattention to S.O. 36 (1) and 36 (9).Section 36 (1) says that, "A membershall confine his observations to thesubject under discussion and may notintroduce matter irrelevant thereto." I


submit, Sir, that the Honourable Mem-ber for Johore Tenggara has departedfrom the subject under discussion.Allegations were made by theHonourable Member for Dato Kramatwith regard to the distributionof money under the Social WelfareLotteries Board as well as theconduct of the lotteries by the Board.If anything uttered by my Honourablefriend from Dato Kramat is untrue, theHonourable Member has the liberty tocontradict him; but by going so far asto redicule him, he is again goingagainst S.O. 36 (9) which says that "Noreference shall be made in any debateto the conduct or character of anyMember of Parliament or of any publicservant, other than conduct in thecapacity of Member of Parliament orpublic servant, as the case may be."So whether the Honourable Memberfor Dato Kramat is a good lawyer or abad lawyer has nothing to do with thesubject under discussion. I feel, Sir,that if the conduct of this debate isdone strictly in accordance with theStanding Orders, we won't have thisstate of affairs which we are facingnow. If the Honourable Member forJohore Tenggara can use abusive wordsit will not prevent members from theOpposition using similar tactics. Allthis will be contrary to the dignity ofthis House. So I appeal to you, Sir, toinsist that S.O. 36 be adhered to verystrictly.

Mr Chairman: S.O. 36 (1) yang di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat dariTanjong itu saya boleh benarkan tuanberchakap, tetapi S.O. 36 (9) itu sayaharap tuan tidak membabitkan perkara2yang di-kehendaki oleh peratoran mi.Ikut-lah peratoran kita. Saya mintajangan ada lagi yang bangun me-nyampok.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar: Tuan Pengerusi,saya susah sadikit dalam pendiriansaya ini, kerana Ahli2 Yang Berhormatmembawa berbagai2 Standing Rulesand Orders untok menahan saya dari-pada beruchap terus dan mematahkansegala hujah2 mereka yang falsu, yangtidak berasas dan yang tidak bertempatdengan menggunakan Bahasa Kebang-saan negeri ini, yang saya yakin danperchaya mereka itu kurang mengerti

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dan kurang faham akan bahasa yangsaya gunakan. Oleh itu, saya mintaAhli2 Yang Berhormat itu supayatolong-lah mengambil sa-orang guruuntok mengaj ar mereka bahasa Melayusupaya tidak terkeliru Dewan mi.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : Mr Chair-man, are those remarks relevant to thediscussion? Malay is as foreign alanguage to the Arabs as it is to mewe are both speaking in a foreignlanguage.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar: Saya berdiri di-sini bukan sa-bagai wakil dari Arab,atau dari mana2, dan bukan j uga wakilChou En-Lai. Kalau dia mengakuimewakili Chou En-Lai saya bolehmengaku di-mana saya berdiri.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Chair-man, Sir, I think he should withdrawthat remark.

Tuan Syed Jaàfar: You withdrawyour remark first.

Mr Chairman: Dual dudok! Sayasusah hati dalam perkara mi. Ahli2Yang Berhormat ada-lah orang yangberpengetahuan. Tunj okkan-lah adab,peratoran dengan ilmu masing2 dalamDewan ini. Jangan ada persengkitaandalam perkara ini. Jadi alang-kah susahsaya sa-bagai Speaker hendak menim-bangkan satu persatu dalam perkarami. Jangan ada pertengkaran lagi,chuba-lah bertolak ansor. Jadi apabilasa-orang Ahli itu tidak boleh di-bangkang oleh sa-orang Ahli yang laintentu-lah susah, kemudian menyebut-kan Standing Order ini dan itu. Apabilasa-orang Ahli itu berchakap Ahli yanglain hendak-lah sabar; sa-telah diahabis berchakap, ahli2 yang lain boleh-lah berchakap. Saya harap hormati-lahDewan mi.

The Prime Minister: Tuan Penge-rusi, kalau saya hendak tunggu semuaperchakapan sampai selesai mungkinnanti bergadoh pula dalam Parlimenini (Ketawa). Jadi kerana itu masing2pehak berasa puas hati dan segalaperchakapan yang telah pun sayadengar atau pun chadangan itu sayaakan ambil ingatan mana2 yang baikdan saya lupakan sahaja-lah mana2chadangan2 yang tidak baik. Dengan

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kerana ini saya harap di-luluskanperbelanjaan yang tersebut sa-banyak$7,500,000.


The sum of $7,500,000 for Head S. 12ordered to stand part of the Schedule.

Head S. 13

The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Mohamed KhirJohari): Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg tomove that a sum totalling $15,512,035under Head S. 13 be approved.

Hon'ble Members will see from theOrdinary Expenditure Estimates, 1963,that the total amount entered for theMinistry of Agriculture and Co-opera-tives for next year is $15,512,035 asagainst a provision of $15,426,674 inthe 1962 Estimates. This shows anincrease of $85,361 over the 1962Estimates.

The Estimates for 1963 provide fora staff of 1945 personnel of (Division I-IV) which is 83 more than for 1962.The additional staff is required forintensification of research and improve-ment of extension services in connectionwith the implementation of the Five-Year Development Plan. I must at thisstage draw the attention of the Houseto the Government's policy on agricul-tural diversification. We have invited ateam of experts from the Ford Founda-tion to advise us on this matter andtheir report is expected shortly. It isvery likely that the implementation ofsome of their recommendations mayrequire additional staff in the Ministry.Agricultural diversification is vital toour country and therefore no money oreffort should be spared to make this asuccess.

I will now deal briefly with theEstimates relating to each Division inmy Ministry.

Malayan Agriculture Census Division.

As I told the House just now thereport on the census should be ready bythe middle of next year in printed form.

Hon'ble Members will see from theEstimates that an agricultural statisticssection of the Planning and Research

branch will be set up in my Ministry asfrom next year. The section's initial taskwill be to cover certain areas whichwere left out in the agricultural census,so that figures which would be morerepresentative of the whole countrywould be available. The section'sprogramme will be divided into two :

(a) a long term plan for the collec-tion of agricultural statistics tobe carried out by the staff;

and (b) ad hoc surveys which will beplanned by the Branch, but thefield work will be undertakenby the staff of the variousColleges or University Students.

Resettlement of Special ConstablesDivision.

The work of rehabilitating andresettling the ex-Special Constables isalmost nearing completion, and it isexpected that the Division could bewound up by the end of next year,leaving only a skeleton staff to carryon with the collection of outstandingloans.

Hon'ble Members will see from theEstimates, that the post of the Commis-sioner for Resettlement of SpecialConstables is being downgraded fromSuperscale "F" to Superscale "H".

The overall provision under P.E. andO.C.S.E. for next year, has also beenreduced by $459,433 compared to thisyear's figure.

Agricultural Division.

Hon'ble Members are perhapsalready aware that during the first-halfof this year the posts of Director ofAgriculture and State AgriculturalOfficers had been fully Malayanised. Inthis connection I am proud to say thatthe changes have not in any wayaffected the efficiency of the Division.

The transfer of the administration ofthe College of Agriculture, Serdang,from my Ministry to the new autono-mous Council of the College of Agricul-ture within the frame-work of theUniversity of Malaya has also beencompleted this year and for 1963, theprovisions for the running of theCollege appear in the Estimates of theMinistry of Education.

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Provisions to run the Schools ofAgriculture which also provide in-service training for Junior AgriculturalAssistants are shown in my Ministry'sEstimates for 1963, under "AgriculturalEducation".

Personal Emoluments.

In the Agricultural Division 38 newtechnical posts are included in the 1963Estimates as follows :

9 Division I Officers7 Division II Officers

22 Division III Officers

Most of the additional staff whenrecruited will be assigned to maintainthe expanded programmes on soilsurvey, research and investigation andto intensify work on agriculture diver-sification.

The administration and supervisorystaff for implementing the CoconutReplanting/Rehabilitation Scheme, isnot shown in the 1963 Estimates. AsHon'ble Members will recall the Schemewas approved by Cabinet only inOctober this year and it was thereforetoo late for the provisions relating tothe Scheme to be incorporated in theEstimates. The Treasury will issue aseparate establishment warrant for therecruitment of the required staff. Thefirst meeting of the Coconut AdvisoryReplanting and Rehabilitation Com-mittee met on the 26th of last monthand formulated the overall plans forimplementation of this scheme whichwill definitely commence from thebeginning of next year.

The present staffing position of theAgriculture Division is not quite satis-factory. Recruitment of suitably quali-fied personnel is a problem. However,the Division has been fortunate inhaving a team of experts from theColombo Plan, and F.A.O. and lately,from the U.S. Peace Corps. Their con-tribution to the agricultural progress ofour country deserves mention in thisHouse and I am sure Hon'ble Memberswill endorse my appreciation of thegood work they are doing.

O.C.A.R.

Under this item , Hon'ble Memberswill note that an appreciable increase of

expenditure is shown in the ResearchBranch, especially relating to Subhead19 Soils Survey, where the amount is$34,000 as against a provision of$30,000 in the current year's Estimates.The increase is to cover the cost of anadditional field survey team. Furtherincrease is in fact desirable but unfortu-nately the difficulty of obtaining theservices of qualified soil surveyors hasrestricted the much needed expansionin this work. Should the Ministry befortunate in being able to recruit moresoil surveyors or securing their servicesthrough international organisations in1963, additional funds will then berequired to put more soil survey teamsin the field so as to complete the soilsurvey of the country as early aspossible. I would like to emphasize atthis juncture that the importance of soilsurvey should not be overlooked incarrying out our national economicplanning programme. New land suitablefor agriculture is not unlimited andunless our country is soil-surveyed,proper land utilisation will be impos-sible. Finally, under Special Expenditurein which the total provision is $102,410,and only $4,518 above the current year'sEstimates, Hon'ble Members will notethat the biggest item of expenditure isin respect of Subhead 100-Replace-ment of Vehicles. Most of the vehiclesin use are at present beyond economicrepair and their replacement would inthe long run prove to be cheaper thanthe continually mounting cost of repairsand maintenance.

Mr Chairman: The sitting is suspen-ded till 4.30 p.m. this afternoon.

Sitting suspended at 1 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m.

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963

House immediately resolved itselfinto Committee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

Head S. 13

Resumption of debate on Question :

That the sum of $15,512,035 forHead S. 13 stand part of the Schedule.

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Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: MrChairman, Sir, having finished with theAgricultural Division, I now come tothe Division of Drainage and Irrigation.

Drainage and. Irrigation.

There is no significant increase in theoverall amount in the 1963 Estimatesof the Drainage and Irrigation Division.The total figure for P.E., O.C.A.R.,and O.C.S.E. is $2,444,794 whichexceeds the current year's figure by$74,115 only.


The major change in P.E. is theupgrading of two posts of Engineersfrom timescale to superscale, one postof Technician from timescale to specialgrade, and the creation of two specialgrade posts of Clerk of Works, onepost of typist and one post of OfficeBoy.

The total provision of these itemsshows an increase of $99,398 only overthis year's figure.

Other Charges Annually Recurrent.

Under this heading the large increasein Subhead 33 "Maintenance andOperation of Hydraulic Laboratoryand Quarters, Research Station", is forthe improvement to existing buildings.The increase in Subhead 29 "Appara-tus, Instruments and Drawing Officematerials" and Subhead 39 "Upkeep ofWorkshop Plant and Machinery" arevery essential due to the increase in thenumber of plants and extensive move-ment of earth moving plant by trans-porters requiring maintenance, in con-nection with the carrying out of theDevelopment Programme.

The total increase shown in thesethree Subheads, however, is offset bythe decrease in many other subheadsunder the O.C.A.R.

Veterinary Division.

This Division's 1963 Estimates showan overall increase of $196,736 whichis about 15% above the current year'sprovision of $1,349,601. The increaseis accounted for by the need to providefor additional staff, mostly research,and also by an increase of expenditureunder O.C.A.R.


Hon'ble Members will note that thestaff establishment of this Division fornext year has been increased to 145 asagainst 103 in this year's Estimates.The additional technical staff is neededto cope with the expansion in Veteri-nary Services brought about by theFive-Year Development Plan, parti-cularly in relation to animal husbandryincluding poultry, animal husbandryeducation and veterinary extensionwork.

O.C.A.R.

Under this heading the substantialincrease in expenditure is shown againstsubhead 46 Animal Husbandry (Live-stock Development) for which theprovision is $573,500 as against$510,000 provided in this year'sEstimates.

O.C.S.E.

For animal husbandry work includingpoultry , modern and up-to-date equip-ment will have to be provided forachieving better results and for thispurpose a provision of $26 ,900 underSubheads 122 and 123 of the SpecialExpenditure heading has been enteredin next year's Estimates.

Forest Division.

The estimated expenditure of theForest Department for 1963 followsclosely that of 1962. However, thereis an increase amounting to $143,988for 1963.


Headquarters.

There is an increase of $14,849. Onlyone new post of Clerk G.C.S. Time-scale has been entered to cope up withthe increased volume of clerical work.Hence, the total increase for HQ ismainly attributable to the normalannual increment.

Utilisation Branch.

There is an increase of $2,664. Onenew post of typist has been entered asthere is no typist in this section at themoment.

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Research Branch.There is an increase of $46 ,397. This

increase is necessary as a result of in-creasing work in the field of researchand timber growing . Nine new postsand one upgrading of post are includedfor 1963 , and these can be properly re-garded as normal for an organisationof the size of the Forest ResearchInstitute.

O.C.A.R.

There is an , increase of $46 ,678. Theincrease of $13,500 under "Administra-tion" is mainly to cover the electricityand air-conditioning charges for newoffice block and chemistry laboratoryto be constructed under the SecondFive-Year Development Plan. Theother sums are for the normal increasesunder Administration and also due toincrease in establishment of Division Iand subordinate staff. The increase of$9,000 under "Maintenance of Buildingsand Roads" is to cover the cost ofrepairs to students and labourers quar-ters. The increase of $13 ,000 under"Experimental Plantations" is to covermaintenance work on new plantationsestablished under the DevelopmentPlan. The increase of $6,000 under"Research " is to cover the expansionwork of the Ecologist (Afforestation)and also for the creation of a newitem for work pertaining to theChemistry Laboratory. The increase of$2,000 under "Transport and Travel-ling" is to cover travelling expensesdue to increase in establishment.The sum of $3,808 under "Subscriptionsand Contributions to InternationalOrganisations" was formerly providedunder O.C.S.E.

O.C.S.E.

The sum of $58,400 under "Furnitureand Equipment" is to cover the pur-chase of equipment which are requiredfor the proper function of the variousSections of the Research Branch. Thesum of $33,600 under "Publications"is to cover the proposed printing ofvarious Malayan Forest Records andTimber Trade Leaflets. All these publi-cations are very valuable forestryrecords for the efficient managementand utilisation of the Forests in thiscountry. They are also sold to the

public and this will bring in profit.The sum of $28,000 is for the purchaseof two vehicles for the Forest ResearchInstitute as replacements.

Co-operative Development Division.

On Co-operative Development, whilemy Ministry will continue to exertits efforts to expand the Co -operativeMovement wherever possible and tointensify the activities of the variousco-operative societies , I have decidedas a matter of policy to lay specialemphasis on the consolidation of theexisting Societies. Such Developmentwill be within the frame -work of theGovernment 's Second Five -Year Planfor Co -operative Development. Atmy request , the Plan itself is beingexamined by my officials to see whetheror not it is adequate to meet theneeds of the people, particularly thosein the rural areas.

One of my immediate aims is tohave the present credit structurere-organised in order that it can effec-tively channel and handle the Govern-ment funds lent to the Movement.This new structure should . I feel, bemodified on the basis of the findingsand recommendations made by theILO Co-operative Banking Expert,who completed a six months' assign-ment in this country in 1961. Thepost of Assistant Registrar of Co-operative Societies (Banking) has beenspecially upgraded in 1963 in orderthat an officer with the requiredqualifications , experiences and aptitu-des can be appointed to undertakethese most urgent and importantduties.

Anotheri matter which . I feel , shouldreceive top priority is the advancementof co-operative marketing and proces-sing. More dynamism and energy willhave to be put into this aspect ofwork if the rural people , particularlythose in the Settlements establishedby the F.L.D.A . are to benefit byincreased income from their labourand work, through effective marketingof their produce by way of co-operativeeffort . My officers are examining thismatter closely and recommendationson how best such schemes can beimplemented are expected soon. Every

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aspect of co-operative marketing andprocessing will be explored for thefull benefit of the people.

I also propose to give particularattention to co-operative educationbecause I believe that training mustproceed hand in hand with theexpansion of the Movement. I amtherefore calling for a quick examina-tion of the syllabus for the variouscourses of training at the Co-operativeCollege and an investigation into theCollege training methods in order toascertain whether or not the presentsyllabus and methods are soundenough for the Movement's presentneeds. There is, I can see, an imme-diate need to explore the possibilitiesof securing experienced and qualifiedstaff for the College from ColomboPlan, ILO and FAO sources. Likein other scientific and technologicalfields, there has been most certainlyvery great advancement in co-operativeteaching and training methods; theMovement in this country is, I believe,entitled to such newer and bettermethods. If necessary, the whole set-up of the College may have to beoverhauled in order that it couldreally serve the present and futureneeds of co-operators not only in thiscountry but also in the whole of theMalaysian region.

To enable my Ministry to carryout its functions in the field ofCo-operative Development, fourteenmore new posts of Co-operative Officershave been provided for 1963. Asagainst this increase, there will be areduction in the number of Co-opera-tive Inspectors' posts. This step hasbeen taken as a result of experience inthat the Co-operative Officers havebeen found more suitable than) the Co-operative Inspectors for the morecomplicated functions of forming andregistering societies and the runningof the more complexed forms ofco-operative organisations.

Another significant change in theEstimates of the Co-operative Divisionfor 1963 will be the introduction ofthe re-organised service for audit staff.This section needs strengthening inorder that proper check and supervi-sion could be maintained over

co-operative societies. The presentunattractive scales of salaries andinadequate opportunities for promotionfailed to. attract the right type ofperson to the Audit Branch. Therefore,the Co-operative Audit Branch had tobe content with less qualified staffon a temporary basis. The. Governmenthas now approved more attractivesalary scales suitable for permanentofficers. Such scales have been includedin the 1963 Ordinary Estimates.

Fisheries Division.

The 1963 Estimates of the FisheriesDivision show an increase of $13,008over the amount approved in the 1962Estimates. The expansion of the Divi-sion's activities since the start of theSecond Five-Year Plan is reflectedin the increasing annual recurrentexpenditure from $1,053,619 in 1961to $1,164,251 in 1962 and $1,177,259in 1963.


The staffing requirements of theDivision both in the administrativeand research branch have been givenpriority in order to cope with theadditional work in the implementationof the Second Five-Year Plan. Provi-sion was made in the OrdinaryEstimates of Expenditure 1962 tomore than double the number ofsenior research personnel to carry outan extensive programme of researcheven into such topics as the biologyof important Malayan fishes, shell-fish, the prawn fisheries and oceano-graphic studies. Honourable Membersmight be interested to learn thatpreliminary drawings for a $360,000Aquarium for Freshwater and MarineResearch in Penang have been comple-ted. A $100,000 programme fortechnological research covering saltfish preservation, refrigeration andfreezing techniques, fish meal proces-sing, fish canning and net preservationhas now been initiated. Additionalstaff to carry out a more extensiveprogramme of freshwater fisheriesextension and development has alsobeen provided for in the OrdinaryEstimates 1963. The increase in thenumber of fish fry distributed in thecountry from 269,337 in 1960 to


509,791 in 1961 attests to the pace atwhich fish farming is being taken upin the rural areas of the country.

Honourable Members will also havenoticed that additional staff have beenrecruited to implement the CanadianColombo Plan Cold Room Projecton the East Coast . A CanadianRefrigeration Engineer has arrived inthe country and is now assisting inthe installation and maintenance ofthe refrigeration equipment . He willtrain local staff in the managementof the cold-rooms . In this connectioni may mention that 8 Cold StorageDepots constructed as a joint Federa-tion of Malaya-Canada Colombo Planaid Project costing a total of nearlytwo million dollars (Malayan) arenearing completion.

Although additional provision hasbeen approved to make it possible tobuild the tuna boat as early as possiblethe matter is, however , under reviewbecause of certain technical problemsinvolved in running such a big vessel.

O.C.A.R.

Most of the Division's developmentprojects initiated in 1960 and 1961 havebeen completed, and part of the increasein the provision sought in the OrdinaryEstimates 1963 is to meet costs ofmaintaining these completed projects.The Scheme for setting up FisheriesTraining facilities has been completedwith the completion of the two MarineFisheries Schools in the country inPenang and Kuala Trengganu. A sub-stantial increase in the provision foradministration of the two schools hasbeen sought for 1963 as these institu-tions are now functioning to capacity.However indications are that thefacilities provided in the schoolsparticularly in regard to the content ofthe syllabus to the length of the courseswill have to be considerably extendedto meet with the demand for higheducation in fisheries technology. Thisaspect has received close attention andColombo Plan scholars have been sentoverseas to study navigation marineengineering and naval architecture toprovide suitable staff for the future.Fish Landing jetties have been built inKuala Linggi and Telok Kumbar on

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the West Coast and at Kuala Besut onthe East Coast. Landing jetties are alsobeing constructed at Tumpat, Dungunand Kemaman. Considerable attentionis also being focussed on increasing fishfry production for the Regional FryBreeding and Distribution Stations andimproving the Division's dry distribu-tional facilities to cope with theincreasing demand for fish fry. Addi-tional provision has also been soughtin 1963 to train more fish-farmers inmodern techniques of fish-culturing andmaintenance of fish-ponds.

This completes my detailed explana-tion on the money asked for in respectof the various Divisions of my Ministry.I shall have occasion to say more whenI move the Development Estimates ofmy Ministry. Before I sit down I wouldlike to say that though I am very newto this Ministry I shall endeavour tothe best of my ability and with the helpof all my officials to carry out thepolicy of the Alliance Government inagricultural development which aims toimprove the economic and social con-ditions of the thousands of farmers andfishermen and our rural folks generallyso that they could have their legitimateshare in the prosperity of this country(Applause).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah(Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Pengerusi,saya bangun hendak berchakap berke-naan dengan Marketing ResearchOfficers di-dalam Item (10) dan Co-operative Development Division padamuka 55. Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagai-mana yang kita tahu ekonomi TanahMelayu ini ada-lah bergantong di-atastanaman. Dua-pertiga daripada pen-dudok negeri ini ada-lah terdiridaripada pendudok dalam kampong,dan mata pencharian mereka ituis-lah berchuchok tanam. Oleh se-bab tidak ada satu kemudahanbagi mereka itu menjual hasil2 yangdi-keluarkan oleh mereka itu di-dalamsatu pasaran yang tersusun, makamereka itu telah menjadi mangsa orang-tengah (middleman). Saya maseh ingatlagi sa-masa saya melawat Jerantut danKuala Selangor, saya dapati orangMelayu terpaksa menjual pisang-nyadengan harga 2 sen sa-kati kapadaorang-tengah yang masok ka-dalam

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kampong membeli pisang2 itu. Di-sinidapat-lah kits satu gambaran bahawaada-lah harga pisang 2 sen sa-kati itusangat-fah rendah , sebab sa-bagaimanayang kita tahu pisang2 ini kalau di-jualdalam pekan dan Bandar yang besarada-lah harga -nya 20 sen sa-kati. Inisatu sebab yang menjadikan orangkampong itu miskin . Yang kedua-nya orang -tengah ini menipu dalammasa menimbang pisang yang di-belidaripada orange kampong itu. Padamasa saya melawat di-Damak dekatJerantut ada sa -orang perempuanMelayu telah menjual 7 pikulpisang, tetapi telah di-tipu 2 pikul,is-itu di-kira harga 5 pikul sahajasa-masa membayar harga , pisangitu. Bagitu juga, sa-masa saya melawatUlu Selangor . Mereka di-situ chukuprajin menanam kopi dan lain2 lagi,mereka itu juga menj adi mangsa orang-tengah , sebab mereka itu terpaksamenjual kopi -nya dengan harga yangchukup murah sa-kali. Kehidupan orangkampong ada -lah menderita dan susah,sebab belum ada lagi satu usahadaripada pehak Kerajaan untok mem-buat pasaran yang tersusun (regulatedmarket) di-kampong2 saperti di-Damakitu dan di -adakan pasar supaya dapatorange kampong menjual pisang -nya itudengan jalan lelong dan sa-bagai-nya.

Dengan yang demikian dapat merekaitu menjual pisang dengan harga yanglebeh tinggi . Demikian juga perkarakopi bahkan perkara ikan pun bagitujuga. Dua hari yang lalu kita telahdengar di -dalam rumah yang muliaini satu berita dari Yang Berhormatdari Raub mencheritakan kapada kita,bagaimana orange Melayu sedang di-tipu dayakan oleh puak pemodalorang tengah sa-hingga terpaksa me-reka itu menj ual pisang mereka dan.ikan2 mereka dengan harga yang palingrendah sa-kali . Ini-lah sebab-nya ke-miskinan orange kampong keranamereka itu menjadi mangsa kapadakaum kapitalis yang mengisap darahmereka itu. Tetapi sayang-nya belumada lagi satu langkah daripada Kera-j aan untok menyelamatkan orangeini daripada di-tipu Jaya orangetengah . Saya fikir sangat-lah balk dansudah sampai-lah masa-nya bagi YangBerhormat Menteri kita yang baharu

ini mengambil langkah supaya mendi-rikan pasaran yang tetap bagi keluaranbarang2 dari orange kampong denganjalan lelong dan lain2 lagi. Mudah2andengan langkah ini dapat-lah orangkampong kita pendapatan yang lebehbaik sadikit.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya akan berchakaptentang perkara Co-operative di-muka55, Item (366) Commissioner for Co-operative Development. Saya baharu2ini, Tuan Pengerusi, ada membuatpertanyaan2 kapada Menteri yangbersangkutan di-dalam perkara ini dansaya telah menerima jawapan2 sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutkan dalamWritten Answers to Questions yangtelah di-siarkan itu. Di-sini pada mukayang pertama saya telah bertanya,Sharikat2 Kelapa Kering untok menjualkelapa2 pada tahun 1960 ada sa-buah,tahun 1961 ada sa-buah lagi sharikatdan sa-terus-nya tahun 1962 pun adasa-buah sharikat lagi. Sharikat Kopichuma sa-buah sahaja pada tahun1961 dan tahun 1962 ada sa-buah.Persatuan Menjual Kopi, bagitu jugatahun 1961 ada sa-buah dan sa-terus-nya tahun 1962 ada sa-buahsharikat lagi. Dan Sharikat Getah,alham dulillah nampak-nya banyaktelah di-dirikan. Saya telah bertanyakapada Menteri Pertanian dan Sha-rikat Kerjasama ada-kah Kerajaantelah mendirikan Kilang2 SharikatKerjasama untok mengeluarkan mi-nyak kelapa dan kilang processingplant untok mengeluarkan kopi yangbaik sa-bagai kopi nombor satu dannombor dua. Dalam jawapan-nya, padamasa ini belum ada lagi.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya suka-lah me-narek perhatian Menteri yang bersang-kutan di-atas perkara Sharikat Kerj a-sama untok menchari satu ikhtiaryang baik untok di-jalankan olehpehak Kerajaan menolong pehak pak2tani daripada di-tipu dan di-hisapdarah-nya oleh puak2 kaum pemodaldan orang tengah, ini-lah tujuan Shari-kat Kerjasama. Tetapi daripada ja-wapan ini dapat-lah kita ketahuibahawa sa-nya tenaga ini tidak-lahbanyak kerana chuma satu kilangsahaja di-dirikan pada tahun 1961dan sa-buah lagi dalam tahun 1962.Dan kita tahu banyak orange kitayang mempunyai kebun2 kelapa dan


juga mereka; yang mempunyai kebun2kopi , oleh kerana tidak ada satuSharikat Kerj asama untok membelikanbarang2 ini terpaksa-lah mereka itumenjualkan barang2 mereka atau hasil2mereka itu kapada kaum kapitalisyang sedia hendak menipu dan meng-hisap darah -nya, Tuan Pengerusi.

Kita tahu Menteri kita telah berj alanjauh ka-negeri2 luar dart sa-bagaimanakita tahu di-Brazil di-sana Kerajaantelah mendirikan Sharikat Kerjasamasa-bagai processing plant yang telahdi-dirikan di-merata2 tempat di-Braziluntok menolong petani2 kopi supayadapat mereka itu mengeluarkan kopiyang baik , bukan sa-takat itu sahajabahkan Kerajaan mereka telah meno-long untok menjualkan kopi merekadengan harga yang tinggi . Saya harapkapada Menteri yang berkenaan sudah-lah sampai masa-nya supaya Keraj aanpula mengadakan Sharikat Kerj asamasa-bagaimana yang di-adakan di-negeritersebut tadi . Mudah2an dengan tenagaini dan dengan langkah ini dapat-lahorang yang menanam kopi itu men-jual dengan harga yang lebeh tinggidaripada yang mereka jual sekarangini.

Satu perkara yang saya suka hendakberchakap is-lah berkenaan denganSharikat Kerj asama tentang perkaragetah . Dalam tahun 1962 sa-banyak31 buah Sharikat Kerj asama telah di-dirikan di-Tanah Melayu ini, ini ada-lah satu tenaga yang baik . Tetapisaya berasa sedeh chuma sa-buahSharikat Kerjasama Getah sahajayang telah di-dirikan di-Kelantan ia-itu di -Machang . Di-sana ra àyat j elatatelah mengetahui faedah SharikatKerj asama Getah ini tetapi malang-nya chuma sa-buah Sharikat Kerj asa-ma sahaja telah di -dirikan . Apabilabanyak penanam2 getah membawagetah mereka hendak di -jual kapadaSharikat Kerjasama itu, Sharikat itutidak menerima-nya kerana kata Pe-ngarah-nya bahawa sa-nya is tidakada peruntokan yang besar untokhendak membeli getah daripada orangekampong kerana persediaan bagi Shari-kat Kerjasama itu tidak chukup. Kitatahu Kelantan ada -lah negeri yangbesar di-pantai timor dan beribu2orang Melayu mempunyai kebun2getah kechil dan mereka berhaj at

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kapada Sharikat Kerjasama yang baginisupaya di-dirikan lebeh banyak lagidi-sana supaya mereka dapat menj ualsusu getah mereka itu kapada tempat2Sharikat Kerj asama ini. Sekarangdengan terdiri-nya sa-buah SharikatKerjasama Getah di-sana, harga getahsudah naik tinggi. Sekian, saya harapkapada Menteri yang bersangkutansupaya perkara ini dapat di-timbang-kan mudah2an dapat di-majukanlebeh2 lagi daripada masa yang sudah2.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman(Sungei Patani): Tuan Pengerusi, sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganmuka 43. Kita tahu bahawa ekonomikita yang sa-benar-nya bergantong di-atas dua perkara sahaja, yang pertamais-lah getah, yang kedua is-lah bijeh.Oleh sebab harga getah dan bijeh padamasa ini turun maka Kerajaan telahberasa runsing sadiki^ dan, nampak-nyaKerajaan sudah membuat satu dasaris-itu kena-lah menchari satu jalanbagaimana hendak menjaga ekonominegeri ini kokoh. Kita telah bersetujuhendak menjalankan dengan dua chars,yang pertama is-lah diversification ofIndustries, yang kedua is-lah diver-sification of Agriculture. Jadi, perkarayang tersebut di-atas-lah yang sayahendak chakapkan. Saya telah bertanyadua bulan sudah kapada Yang Berhor-mat Menteri berapa banyak barang2tanaman telah di-jual keluar negeripada tahun 1959-1960-1961. Pada tahun1961 kita telah menjual getah kira2$142 juta, kelapa kering $19 juta,minyak kelapa $27.7 juta, minyakkelapa sawit $21.2 juta, nanas dalamtin $26 juta dan sagu ubi $5 juta.

mi semua-nya tujoh perkara sahaja.Bila saya hisab2 tengok2, dan sayajumlahkan nampak-nya harga keluaranyang kita keluarkan kelapa, minyak,dan enam perkara itu sa-lain daripadagetah semua-nya ada satu ratus empatjuta sahaja, tetapi harga keluaran getahsatu ribu empat puloh empat juta, ber-maàna tiap2 satu ratus, sembilan pulohperatus is-lah getah yang keluar, sa-puloh peratus sahaja harga lain, jadioleh kerana itu nampak-nya ada Japanpenis tanaman.

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kemajuan-nya di-jalankan oleh Kera-jaan. Jawab -nya semua -nya siap, kitasudah siasat semua-nya sudah siap.Tetapi nampak -nya lagi chuma tujohperkara , enam sahaja perkara yangkeluar duit chuma 10 peratus sahaja,nampak-nya tidak chukup lagi diver-sified crops . Oleh itu saya minta-lahpada Menteri ini, dia katakan pun diabaharu , saya harap dia juga tengokpanjang2 ka-hadapan . (Ketawa). Benijalan bagaimana dia boleh tambah lagisupaya kita boleh dapat tambah ke-bolehan kita . Balek sa-mula sayatengok perkara tujoh itu boleh di-maju-kan lagi is -itu perkara kelapa keringdan minyak kelapa sa -banyak empatpuloh enam juta. Pada hal yang di-keluarkan negeri sa-tahun pada tahun1961 46 juta , tetapi saya tahu baik2daripada itu 1 / 3 itu ada-lah kelapakering yang kita beli import dariIndonesia . Jadi ma àna-nya kelapakering di-beli sa -banyak 15 juta jadidi-Tanah Melayu ini chuma ada lebehkurang 30 juta sahaja . Jadi untokhendak mengelokkan , saya berasa suka-chita Kerajaan kita membuat pe-nanaman sa-mula kelapa2 tua makadengan jalan itu tentu -lah kita bolehdapat lagi bertambah2 kelapa2 kita di-dalam Tanah Melayu ini. Berkenaandengan perkara itu saya juga mengam-bil peluang menguchapkan tahniah padabekas Menteri Tanaman , dia' tidak adadi-sini , dengan j asa beliau -lah perkarascheme ini boleh dapat di-jalankan.Saya harap Menteri yang baharu initolong-lah cherminkan scheme yangdi-buat itu dengan sempurna.

Tuan Pengenusi , bersangkut dengankelapa itu saya nampak suka-lah sayashorkan is-itu kalau kita boleh dapatsatu chary menanam sa-mula kelapatambahan saya shorkan di-buat satupolicy segala tanah2 baharu hendak-lahdi-berikan kapada orang untok me-nanam kelapa , jika tanah itu di-dapatisa-suai dengan tanaman kelapa patut-lah di -beri tanaman kelapa lebehdahulu daripada tanaman lain. Denganjalan itu bukan sahaja dapat di-tanamkelapa2 yang baharu , tetapi juga denganj alan itu boleh dapat menambahkanhasil negeri . Yang kedua satu perkaralagi yang hendak saya shorkan ben-kenaan nanas dalam tin, yang banyak-

nya 26 juta sudah di-jual . Saya nampaknanas itu boleh di -tambah lagi, Mikakita boleh gunakan tempat2 yang sayaingat sekarang ini yang tidak di-guna-kan langsong, mithal-nya saya harapMenteri Pembangunan Luar Bandar,jangan kata apa2 kerana saya nampakPembangunan Luar Bandar FederalScheme beribu2 relong ekar tiap2 tahundi-berikan tiap2 sa-orang sa-pulohekar untok menanam getah. Di-tengah2-nya di-tempat lapang itu semua-nyadi-tanam cover crops tidak boleh mem-beni sadikit hasil pada peladang2 itu.Chuma cover crops itu boleh memberimenafa àt sadikit , kalau dalam tanahyang lain itu kita gantikan sa-lain dari-pada cover crops di-tanam dengannanas . Jadi dengan itu kits boleh dapatduit dan boleh menolong orange itudan hasil bentambah lagi.

Saya perchaya di-dalam menanamgetah itu sa-kurang2-nya sampai tigatahun boleh di-tanam dengan tanamanyang lain, dalam chelah2 pokok getahitu. Sa-lepas itu apabila tanaman getahitu dekat2 hendak bertemu , tidak-lahboleh tanaman2 yang lain hidup di-chelah2 -nya itu , oleh sebab sayanampak kita merugikan masa tiga tahunitu yang boleh di-tanam dengan nanas.

Perkana yang ketiga yang sayanampak ada -lah perkara hasil tepongubi kayu . Ini, Tuan Pengenusi , tepongubi kayu pada tahun 1961 kita telahdapat jual 5 million , tetapi pada tahun1959 , chuma sa-banyak 0.9 millionsahaja dan tahun 1960, 4 million dantahun 1961 , 5 million. Jadi berchakapdengan soal ubi kayu ini saya sukamemberitahu ada satu keperchayaanyang tidak boleh di-perchayai sangatantara pakar2 tanaman2 , bahawa katamereka ubi kayu ini ada-lah satutanaman yang makan baja banyak.Saya masa belajar dalam Collegedahulu puas membacha buku itu danini tidak berjumpa bahawa ubi kayuini makan banyak many baja yang di-tentukan . Tetapi tidak ada satu orangpakar tanaman yang boleh memberi-tahu banyak mana ubi kayu itumemakan baja pada satu2 to hun ben-banding dengan tanaman2 yang lain.Jadi oleh sebab sekarang ini saya nam-pak keperchayaan pakar2 yang dahuluitu menunjokkan mereka tidak berapa


pandai. Sampai sa-tengah2 negeri turutmembuat undang2 ubi kayu itu apabilasa-saorang hendak membuka ladangtidak di-benarkan menanam ubi kayuitu, dan ini di-tulis di-dalam suratakuan itu tidak membenarkan me-nanam ubi kayu itu, tengok-lah TuanPengerusi sampai bagitu sa-kali di-buatundang2 itu. Jadi oleh sebab sekarangini dunia kita bertambah maju danpakar2 sains telah menyelideki dandapat-lah mereka menchari jalan mem-buat macham2 jenis baja untok me-nyuborkan tanaman2 itu. Saya fikirkita ada banyak baja. Jadi berbalekkita kapada ubi kayu yang makan bajayang banyak apa susahkan jika kitaada Baja yang baik sa-kali. Tanamanitu akan subor sa-mula. Saya ingat ubikayu itu patut-lah di-galakkan kapadaorange kita dalam menanam-nya keranaboleh memberi f adah yang banyak.Saya sudah menyelideki penanam ubikayu ini di-kawasan saya BukitSelambu, bahawa 70 peratus orangyang dudok itu kebanyakan orangeChina semua-nya menchari nafkahmenanam ubi kayu. Sa-orang perem-puan China yang berumor lebehkurang 55 tahun dan dia ada dua oranganak, sa-orang berumor 12 tahun dansa-orang berumor 8 tahun kedua2-nyaperempuan. Perempuan China ini me-nanam ubi kayu sa-banyak 10 relong.Tuan Pengerusi, ada sa-tengah orangtidak faham apa dia relong ini, orangKedah tidak pakai ekar dia pakairelong. Berbalek soal perempuan Chinaini apabila is chabut ubi kayu itu tiap2satu relong di-dapati 200 pikul ubikayu. Jadi kalau sa-puloh relong ia-lah 2,000 pikul. Harga satu pikul $3.50,jadi, kalau 2,004 pikul sudah dapat7,000 ringgit.

Kemudian kalau saya hisab tolakupah itu dan ini semua-nya siap sa-kali sa-banyak $3,000. Jadi maàna-nyasatu orang perempuan tiga beranakboleh dapat untong $4,000. Jadi de-ngan senang sahaja orang tua yangberumor 55 tahun itu boleh bekerjadengan mendapat duit yang banyak.

Jadi saya nampak kalau kita hisabsatu bulan lebeh kurang $340. Penda-patan ini lebeh daripada gaji keraniyang berkelulusan Senior Cambridge,bagitu sa-kali besar-nya jika hendak

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di-bandingkan. Pendapatan dalam masasa-tahun jika di-bandingkan ada-lahlebeh kurang dua kali ganda daripadakej ayaan bendang. Saya berani menga-takan antara orange itu sudah tigaorang Melayu pergi ka-Mekah, dengankerana ubi kayu ini-lah, mereka itudapat pergi haji. Tetapi saya berasasusah hati, oleh kerana ada di-antarakawan2 yang kadang2 melawat to' hajibalek itu mengatakan Haji Ubi Kayusudah balek (Ketawa).

Tuan Pengerusi, saya sa-benar-nyaberasa besar hati, kalau saya bukanwakil raàyat, saya sendiri pun mahutanam ubi kayu, tetapi saya tidak adamasa. Berkenaan dengan ubi kayu inibarangkali ada sa-tengah2-nya tidaktahu apa guna-nya ubi kayu yang kitabuat sekarang ini apabila di-hantarka-kilang2 ubi di-ambil buat tepongkemudian di-buat sagu. Kalau kitaberi buat sagu, jangan kita ingat ubikayu dan tepong ini kebanyakan-nyadi-keluarkan dare Eropah, maka guna-nya di-buat comestic dan lain2 lagi.Jadi saya berasa susah Kati, oleh ke-rana kaum2 ibu kita di-sini, barangkalimereka ta' tahu kerana comesticpowder itu di-buat dari ubi kayu.Orange kampong pakai buat bedaksej ok sahaj a. Jadi saya harap wakil2kaum ibu terutama dari Jitra danDungun, tolong-lah shorkan kapadakaum2 ibu bagaimana hendak buatbedak dan comestic itu supayakaum2 ibu kita dapat pakai dan ta'payah gadoh lagi hendak beli dariluar negeri, dan saya fikir barangkalicomestic ubi kayu ini akan nampaklebeh chantek lagi. Satu kegunaan yangbesar dari ubi kayu ini, tepong ltudi-buat di-Eropah' untok membuat satubenda yang di-panggil industrial alco-hol tetapi bukan , arak yang kitaminum iniarak ini ta' boleh di-minum. mi satu benda yang benaryang di-masokkan dalam industryyang di-adakan dalam negeri2 indus-trialised. Maka dengan sebab itu-lahpasaran ubi kayu itu chukup luas.Jadi saya shorkan kapada Menteribaharu ini chuba-lah rombak balekundang2 itu dan galakkan mereka di-atas perkara tersebut.

Lagi satu perkara yang saya tahu,ubi kayu ini dia boleh tumboh di-mana2 sahaja sa-hingga tempat yang


kurang baik pun dia boleh tumboh.Kalau kita berjalan ka -Ipoh , kita akandapati semua tanah2 lombong yangtelah di-lombong yang sekarang sudahhabis bijeh-nya itu, mengikut dari segitanaman tanah2 itu tidak lagi berguna,tidak lags subor, tetapi kalau kitatengok di -lombong2 yang sudah habisdi-gunakan , kebanyakan tempa.t2 ituboleh di-tanam ubi kayu . Itu menun-j okkan yang ubi kayu itu boleh di-tanam di-tempat2 jenis tanaman yangta' boleh tumboh . Dengan sebab itupeluang sangat banyak , maka sayamenchadangkan supaya di-buat ran-changan is-itu membanyakkan lagiranchangan ubi kayu di -mana tempat2yang tidak boleh di-gunakan lagi.

Sekarang saya pergi kapada perkarayang bersangkutan dengan koko. Sayasudah bertanya kapada Menteri kitadahulu apa telah jadi terhadap pokok2koko kita itu, ada-kah baik atautidak? Jawab -nya koko kita terkenapenyakit, soal kena penyakit terokitu di-panggil dieback, . kemudian diasudah merentikan segala penyelidekandi-atas koko ini, tetapi baharu2 inisaya telah dapat satu majallah dariPejabat Tanaman yang di -keluarkansa-tahun dua kali bernama M.A.J.yang bersangkutan dengan tanamankoko. Kata -nya maseh lagi PejabatTanaman atau Kementerian Pertanianini menyelideki perkara koko di-Serdang dan di-Jerengau dan masehlagi, di-dapati yang koko ini kenapenyakit dieback . Mengikut penyataitu ada harapan dan maseh kita bolehchari satu jenis koko yang di-panggildieback resistance penyakit itu ta'boleh hinggap . Kalau kita dapat kokojenis yang bagitu, maka boleh-lahkita gunakan dan boleh -lah kita baiki,kerana saya katakan yang koko inisatu jenis tanaman , yang baik is-ituada satu jenis tanaman yang bolehmenggantikan getah dan koko sahaja-lah tanaman yang mustahak , keranakoko ini , sama banyak guna atau lebehbanyak guna daripada getah. Kalaukoko ini boleh di -tanam dengan elokdan boleh naik saperti di-negeri Ghana,Indonesia . West Indies maka sayaberasa hairan kenapa Malaya ta' bolehnaikkan koko m i. Di-tempat sayasendiri sudah di-tanam koko kahwin,chuma soal-nya sekarang is-lah penya-

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kit dieback, tetapi kalau dengan sebabsatu penyakit dieback itu kita hendakberhentikan , saya ingat ini bukan-lahdasar scientist , kerana tiap2 scientistdia tidak takut sama ada penyelidek-an itu berjaya atau tidak , chuma yangdia mahu is -lah mendapat informationdaripada penyelidekan itu supaya diaboleh dapat tahu pada masa akandatang. Saya harap kapada Menteriyang baharu ini supaya dapat di-buatresearch baharu atas koko itu , keranakalau kita ta' boleh dapat hantarkanpakar2 kita ka-luar negeri sapertiyang banyak di-tanam di-Ghana, WestIndies dan Nigeria , saya perchaya ba-rangkali satu hari nanti kita bolehdapat koko yang ta' boleh kena diebacksupaya kita boleh tanam dalam negerikita untok menjayakan skim kita ia-itu diversification of crops.

Penghabisan sa-kali saya hendakberchakap atas perkara padi . Saya jugasudah bertanya kapada Menteri yangberkenaan tentang penyakit merahyang sangat banyak , kerana penyakitmerah ini selalu terj adi di-tempat2yang dalam. Di-kawasan Menteribaharu kita, beribu2 relong telah kenapenyakit merah . Di-kawasan KrianLaut pun bagitu juga banyak kenapenyakit merah ini ulat merah danpenyakit merah itu sa-macham. Padamasa tahun sudah , saya telah berta-nya kapada Menteri yang berkenaan,jawab -nya semua sudah siap adaubat . Tetapi sampai pada tahun inita' ada ubat yang baharu . Sa-benar-nyasaya tahu tidak ada ubat yang bolehmenghapuskan penyakit merah sampaihari ini , chuma theory -nya kata bagitubagini dan sampai hari ini tidaktahu dengan sa-benar -nya apa penyakit,apa kuman-nya yang sa-benar yangmenyebabkan penyakit merah itu. Olehsebab itu, saya ingat oleh kerana kitatanam padi di-negeri ini banyakmaka saya minta-lah kapada Menteribaharu ini supaya timbangkan sa-mulapenyakit merah itu. Kalau banyak jadilagi tolong jalankan research, mu-dah2an pada tahun hadapan dapatkita hapuskan semua penyakit merahmi.

Sekarang saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan Resettlement ofSpecial Constables Division di-dalammuka 44. Saya dengar daripada

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uchapan Yang Berhormat Menteritadi, perkara ini akan habis tidaklama lagi. Saya suka menarekperhatian is-itu banyak lagi bekasS.C. gadoh meminta tanah. Di-kawasan saya di-Kuala Muda apa-bila mereka meminta tanah di-dalamRanchangan Pinggir, mereka itu sudahhendak di-timbangkan, sebab kitatidak tahu sama ada mereka mendapatbantuan daripada division ini atautidak. Kalau kita tanya mereka tentu-lal mereka kata tidak dapat. Jadi sayadapati mereka yang di-beri masokdalam ranchangan ini sa-tengah dari-pada-nya kerja mereka itu tidakmemuaskan Kati. Jadi saya nampakkalau orang yang biasa mencharikehidupan-nya dengan senapang diatidak boleh ber Jaya menggunakanchangkul. Oleh itu, saya suka menge-shorkan is-itu pada tahun hadapankita akan mengadakan Malaysia, makaMenteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerja-sama bermuafakat-lah dengan MenteriPertahanan supaya bekas2 S.C. itudi-ambil sa-mula menjadi tentera, sebabsa-tengah daripada mereka itu tidakdapat mengerj akan tanah yang di-beriitu.

Sa-lain daripada itu berkenaan de-ngan Agricultural Development Officersdi-dalam Item (132) dan AssistantAgricultural Officers di-dalam Item(133). Tuan Pengerusi, saya nampakgaji kedua2 jawatan ini berlainan.Gaji Agricultural Development Officersis-lah $517.00-$922.00 dan gaji Assis-tant Agricultural Officers $641.00-$799.00. Saya suka menarek perhatianperkara ini is-lah kelulusan dan kerjakedua2 jawatan ini ada-lah sama. Jadimengapa-kah di-adakan dua jawatandan gaji-nya berlainan? Pada tahunyang lalu saya telah menarek perha-tian bekas Menteri Pertanian danSharikat Kerjasama supaya menim-bangkan hal ini, sebab banyak dari-pada pegawai2 yang ada diploma itutelah keluar bekerja dalam R.R.I. danF.L.D.A. kerana gaji-nya rendah. Adayang berhenti menjadi ahli DewanRaàyat pun ada (Ketawa), sa-orangdaripada-nya baharu2 ini telah me-ninggal dunia. Kita patut-lah membuatsatu chara supaya pegawai2 itu tidaknergi ka-pej abat lain. Saya telah di-beri jawapan is-itu pegawai yang

bekerja di-tempat lain itu is-lah keranaberkehendakkan gaji lebeh, jadi kitatidak boleh buat apa2. Itu tidakmenjadi soal. Soal-nya is-lah kalau kitatidak mahu mereka itu pergi ka-tempatlain, mereka itu hendak-lah di-berigaji yang lebeh.

Sa-perkara lagi di-dalam Kemente-rian mi kekurangan kaki-tangan (under-staff). Mithal-nya, pada masa dahuludalam negeri Kedah ada 3 AgriculturalOfficers. Sekarang ini hanya sa-orangsahaj a is-itu orang Melayu dan tidakada Assistant. Di-Johor dahulu ada 4orang, sekarang ini 2 orang sahaja.Di-Perak dahulu ada 5 orang, sekarangini 3 orang. Jadi kenapa-kah pegawaiyang ada diploma di-Serdang itu yangmempunyai pengalaman (experience)dan telah bekerja 15 tahun ka-atastadak di-naikkan pangkat-nya menjadiAgricultural Officer? Kalau kita naik-kan pangkat-nya pun mereka itu tidakboleh j adi Director of Agriculturesebab umor-nya sudah lebeh. Kalaukita mengatakan pegawai2 ini tidakada pongalaman, saya tidak bersetuju.Saya suka memberi chontoh di-dalammasa sa-belum perang dahulu is-ituada beberapa orang pegawai Inggerisyang tidak ada kelulusan membuat pe-kerjaan ini. Mithal-nya Mr Curry tidakmempunyai apa2 diploma menjadiSenior Research Officer. Mn Brikenshawmenjadi Director of Agriculture tidakmempunyai apa2 diploma lebeh ko-man (common) daripada saya lagi(Ketawa). Mr W. M. Sands menjadiAgricultural Officer dalam negeriKedah tidak mempunyai diplomaSchool Certificate pun tidak lulus.Mereka ini semua boleh buat kerja.Ada-kah pegawai2 yang lulus SchoolCertificate dan lulus dari kole j itutidak boleh buat kerja?

Saya dapati di-dalam EstablishmentOffice ada memberi peluang jawatanM.A.S. Kawan saya ada memintajawatan ini dan dia telah dapat jawatanini dan sa-hingga-lah menjadi M.C.S.Rakan "saya itu tidak pun lulus RafflesCollege atau university. Dan baharu2ini sa-orang Pegawai Tanaman telahmeminta jawatan M.A.S. dan dia telahdapat jawatan ini dan sa-hingga ja-watan M.C.S. Kalau EstablishmentOffice boleh buat bagitu, saya tidak

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nampak mengapa Kementerian initidak boleh buat demikian? Sayaberchakap ini bukan untok saya,tetapi saya hendak menolong kawan2saya. Sa-perkara lagi berkenaan denganJunior Agricultural Assistant di-dalamItem (138). Saya dapati pegawai iniboleh membuat kerja dan boleh men-jaga Jajahan, mithal-nya, di-dalamkawasan saya di-Baling. Saya harapmana2 pegawai yang layak itu patut-lah di-naikkan kapada AgriculturalAssistant. Saya minta Yang Berhor-mat Menteri yang baharu ini memikir-kan perkara mi.

Enche' Abdul Razak bin HajiHussin (Lipis): Tuan Pengerusi, sayasuka hendak membawa perkara padamuka surat 55 Item (382) Co-operativeOfficers dan Item (383) Co-operativeInspectors. Di-dalam peruntokan inimemang ada di-bagi lebeh bagi tahun1963 tetapi pada hemat saya, tambahanini pun tidak lebeh yang dapatkita berikan, sedang tanggong-jawabJabatan Sharikat Kerjasama ini padamembentok dan memajukan ekonomiorang kampong itu ada-lah lebehberat. Yang demikian, saya suka me-ngeshorkan kapada Kementerian Shari-kat Kerjasama ini supaya mengambilpegawai2 kehormat untok menambahdan menolong Pegawai2 Co-operativeini. Dengan sebab saya kata bagitu,Tuan Pengerusi, di-kawasan sayasendiri, umpama-nya tuan2 sediamaàlom tempat-nya sangat lebar danperjalanan-nya sangat susah. Jadi bilapegawai2 ini hendak mengambil satu2langkah, dengan sebab kekuranganyang saya telah katakan tadi kebolehanSharikat Kerjasama di-kampong2 itutidak-lah berapa lichin. Tetapi tidak-lah saya menudoh bahawa sa-nya pega-wai itu tidak menjalankan kerja-nyatetapi sa-balek-nya saya puji bahawasa-nya Pegawai Sharikat Kerjasamayang menjalankan tugas-nya itu ada-lah sangat baik, pergi di-mana2 tempatyang susah tetapi kalau sa-kira-nyakita tambah lagi dengan pegawai2kehormat ini maka saya fikir ini lebehbaik dan lebeh lichin lagi tugas itu di--j alankan.

Sekarang saya berjangkit pula ka-pada muka surat 63 Item 64Transport and Travelling, peruntokan-

nya sa-banyak $390,000 bagi tahun1963 ini dan pada tahun lepasperuntokan-nya is-lah $380,000.Dengan yang demikian kekuranganpegawai2 itu-lah yang menyebabkanallowance kereta itu bertambah. Jadi,saya mengeshorkan supaya Pegawai2Sharikat Kerjasama ini di-letakkandi-kampong2 sa-bagaimana Pegawai2Tanaman di-dudokkan di-kampong2menengok dan memperhatikan per-jalanan di-kampong2 itu. Yang demi-kian kalau kita letakkan Pegawai2 inidi-kampong2 maka sa-bahagian besardaripada peruntokan Transport danTravelling ini boleh di-kurangkan.Jadi, saya mengeshorkan supayaMenteri yang berkenaan boleh me-letakkan Pegawai2 Sharikat Kerjasamaini di-kampong2.

Sa-lain daripada itu saya chumahendak menjawab sadikit uchapansahabat saya; dia pun sudah tidakada dalam Dewan ini, is-itu YangBerhormat dari Kota Bharu Hilir.Benar saya pernah bertemu denganYang Berhormat itu pada masasaya menchari teket hendak ka-Dewan ini. Harga pisang dua sensa-kati itu memang benar tetapiini bukan di-sebabkan tidak adapasaran. Sebab-nya is-Iah pisang2 itusangat banyak dalam ranchangan luarbandar di-sana. Kita semua lihatpisang2 itu terlalu banyak itu-lahsebab-nya harga pisang itu jatoh. Jadi,oleh sebab kejayaan di-atas kemajuantanah2 itu bukan sahaja pisang banyakmalah harga-nya pun kurang yangdemikian bukan sebab-nya tidak adapasaran.

Sa-lain daripada itu Yang Berhormatdari Kota Bharu Hilir ada menyebut-kan di-kawasan kampong Damak adasa-orang perempuan menjual pisang 7pikul dan dua pikul itu telah di-tipuoleh orang tengah. Berita ini sayasendiri terperanjat mendengar-nyabahawa sa-nya Yang Berhormat itutidak membela perkara kena tipu duapikul pisang ini, tidak ada di-sebutkan.Tetapi saya fikir ta' kan-lah bagitubodoh daripada 7 pikul pisang itu di-tipukan dua pikul. Saya terima kasehkapada Yang Berhormat itu kalau sa-kira-nya is-nya sama2 membela per-kara mi. Jadi, masaalah perempuan tua

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yang jual pisang 7 pikul kena tipu duapikul itu tidak menasabah. Jadi sayaharap Yang Berhormat2 di-dalamDewan ini tidak terkeliru perkara yangsa-umpama mi. Kawasan Damak initidak jauh daripada kawasan sayalebeh kurang 3 batu dan saya selalupergi melihat di-kawasan ini sebab itusaya tahu. Sekian-lah, Tuan Pengerusi,saya berchakap di-atas perkara ini dansaya tujukan-lah perkara ini kapadaKementerian yang berkenaan, terimakaseh.

Wan Sulaiman bin Wan Tam (KotaStay Selatan): Tuan Pengerusi, sayaberchakap di-atas perkara SharikatKerjasama, Sub-head 107-Co-opera-tive Officers. Saya suka menarek per-hatian Kementerian yang bersangkutandi-atas rayuan yang saya terima dari-pada Pegawai2 Muda KerjasamaKedah-Perlis, menyatakan bahawamereka merasa kesulitan hendak me-lawat sharikat2 kampong yang di-bawahkawalan mereka, oleh kerana tiadakenaikan di-sebabkan mereka tiadadapat pinjaman daripada Kerajaanuntok membeli motor-car saperti yangtelah biasa di-beri kapada Pegawai2yang terdahulu daripada mereka.Ada-lah kewajipan sa-orang PegawaiKerjasama itu is-lah melawat ka-kampong2 menghadziri meshuarat2sharikat dengan sa-berapa kerap yangboleh untok memberi nasihat danpengertian kapada ahli2 jawatan-kuasa di-atas perkara perlembagaandan perjalanan dan kewangan dandasar2 kerjasama yang amat mustahaksupaya sharikat itu boleh berjalandengan sempurna. Maka telah ter-maàlum, Kerajaan sekarang inisangat mengambil berat di-atasmenjalankan ranchangan2 kemajuanluar bandar yang tujuan-nya tiadalain tiada bukan, is-lah mening-gikan ekonomi raàyat2 kampong.Maka chara2 menchapai maksud itu,pada fikiran Saya, hendak-lah orangekampong itu berkemaskan diri merekasendiri dengan jalan menubohkanbanyak sharikat kerjasama. Merekatelah ada pengalaman di-dalam per-kara ini dan juga telah rasa nikmatdaripada pergerakan itu. Maka pehakKerajaan pula hendak-lah memberisegala pertolongan yang boleh supaya

dapat di-adakan banyak sharikatkerjasama yang sehat. Oleh yangdemikian saya minta Kementerian initimbang di-beri pinjaman2 kapadaPegawai2 Kerjasama untok membelikenderaan supaya mereka dapatjalankan pekerjaan mereka dengansempurna.

Tuan Pengerusi, yang kedua, sayahendak berchakap di-atas muka 63Sub-head 61-Co-operative Education.Saya dapati ada juga orange salah.faham di-atas pengertian perbedzaandi-antara "Sharikat" dengan "SharikatKerjasama". Ada-lah "Sharikat ataulazim di-panggil orang "Company"itu di-daf tarkan di-bawah Undang2Company dan tujuan utama-nyahendak berniaga supaya mendapatkeuntongan yang banyak; tetapi"Sharikat Kerjasama" di-registerkandi-bawah Undang2 Sharikat Kerjasamadan tujuan-nya is-lah hendak mening-gikan ekonomi ahli2-nya dengansemangat tolong diri sendiri, meng-gemarkan tolong-menolong di-antarasatu dengan lain, mempereiokkanmasharakat, ikhtiar jualkan hasil2tanaman beramai2 supaya dapatharga yang berpatutan dan jugamembeli barang2 keperluan hari2dengan bersatu dengan harga yangmurah. Maka oleh tujuan SharikatKerjasama itu mulia, maka Kerajaan,dengan tujuan hendak menggemarkanpenubohan-nya, telah beri berbagai2pertolongan saperti mengadakanPegawai yang berpengalaman untokmemberi nasehat dan kira2-nya di-odit oleh Kerajaan dengan perchumadan mengadakan Maktab Kerjasamauntok mengaj ar orang di-atas ilmukerjasama dan lain2 lagi.

Sa-buah Sharikat Kerjasama itutetap maju jika perjalanan-nya menu-rut Undang2-nya dan ahli2-nya me-ngerti benar2 dasar Sharikat Kerjasama.Ada juga Sharikat Kerjasama di-kampong2 yang tiada maju oleh.kerana orange masok menjadi ahli-nyadengan tujuan sa-mata2 hendakberhutang sa-olah2 tujuan sharikat ituis-lah hendak mengekalkan hutang2pada hal-nya tujuan yang sa-benarbukan bagitu. Sa-belum pergerakanSharikat Kerjasama bergerak di-kampong2 orange kampong berhutang

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kapada kedai2 perniagaan tempatandengan bunga yang berlebehan untokpergunaan tanaman mereka. Makadengan tujuan hendak hapuskanhutang2 yang bunga-nya tinggi itu-lahKerajaan telah beri pertolongan wangbermillion2 ringgit kapada peladang2menerusi pergerakan bekerj asama. Di-Kedah itu penanam2 padi telah dapatpinjaman wang untok menanam padidengan faedah yang murah daripadaKesatuan Bank Sharikat KampongKerjasama Utara Kedah, is-itu badangabongan daripada beratus2 sharikat2kampong. Maka pergerakan kerja-sama2 di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayuini telah pun ada organisasi-nyasendiri dengan pendirian-nya yangkokoh. Maka tiap2 negeri telah pun.ada beberapa buah Kesatuan SharikatKampong Kerjasama is-itu gabongandaripada sharikat kechil di-kampong2di-serata cherok. Maka Kesatuan2 itupula di-chantomkan kapada satu badanyang kemunchak is-itu Bank AgongSharikat Ker jasama Malaya. Makamenerusi saloran Bank Agong itu-lahKerajaan telah beri bantuan wang dankebendaan kapada raàyat2 yang dudokd,i-kampong2. Sa-lain daripada jenis2Sharikat Kerjasama yang ada se-karang ini, saya rasa patut juga di-adakan Sharikat Kebajikan Am ataudengan bahasa Inggeris-nya GeneralPurpose Co-operative Society sapertiyang ada di-India. Maka tujuan sha-rikat jenis ini is-lah menggemarkanahli2-nya mengadakan perhimpunanramah-tamah pada sa-masa ka-samasabertukar2 fikiran supaya bangunkansuatu masharakat baharu di-kampong2:

Enche ' Othman bin Abdullah (PerlisUtara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendakberchakap sadikit mengalu2kan peruntokan penbelanjaan dalam Kementerianyang akan mendapat kemajuan padatahun mi. Saya suka menarek perhatianMenteri yang berkenaan, is-itu ber-kenaan dengan Jabatan Pant dan TaliAyer. Saya mengalu2kan peruntokanjabatan ini kerana dengan itu dapat-lahmenghasilkan bendang kerana ada di-satengah2 tempat dapat membuat ben-dang sa-tahun dua kali. Pertama sa-kalidi-Saberang Perai dan di-Kedah. Sayasuka menguchapkan tahniah padaMenteri ini kerana peruntokan yang

banyak untok memajukan tali ayerdi-Perlis, terutama sa-kali di-PerlisSelatan di-mana dengan ada-nya dualpant dan tali ayer ini dapat menghasil-kan bendang dua kali sa-tahun telah di-chuba, is-itu di-usahakan sa-banyak50 relong yang telah mendapat ke-jayaan yang sangat memuaskan hati.Pada tahun ini sudah di-chuba me-nanam lagi lebeh daripada 500 relong.Saya telah di-beritahu lagi bahawabanyak tempat2 lain suka hendakmenanam padi ini, kerana melihatkankejayaan yang chemerlang itu. mi adawlah basil daripada terator-nya per-j alanan pant dan tali ayer kechil yangdapat di-salorkan ka-tali ayer yangbesar; dengan sebab itu, saya menyerukapada Menteri yang berkenaan supayadapat lagi memberikan peruntokanwang kerana membena tali ayer yangkechil2 dan di-salorkan ka-tali ayeryang besar. Kita harus sedan pada masaini bahawa Persekutuan Tanah Melayuperlu sangat menghasilkan beras2 untokmenchukupi kemahuan dalam negeriini, supaya jangan lagi kita membeliberas di-luar. Kalau sa-kira-nya kitamaseh perlu bergantong kapada beras2dari Juan negeri tentu sa-kali benchana-nya akan tiba pada kita; barang di-jauhkan Allah is-itu di-zaman Jepundahulu ada orang yang mati kelaparan,oleh sebab tidak ada beras. Dengansebab itu, saya suka mengeshorkan sa-kali lagi pada Menteri yang berkenaansupaya memberikan peruntokan kapadanegeri Perlis untok menanam padi duakali sa-tahun.

Sa-panjang yang saya tahu bahawamengikut jumlah banchi pada tahunyang lalu bahawa 1/3 sahaja pen-untokan padi di-negeri Perlis, tetapi2/3 di-beri pada negeni2 yang tidakchukup beras. Saya rasa dengan per-untokan yang di-beri bagi membuat taliayer kechil di-tempat2 yang memerlu-kan menanam padi dua kali sa-tahunitu, Kerajaan tidak akan nugi.

Sekarang saya sentoh pula is-ituKerajaan sekarang ini telah mengada-kan ranchangan memelihara ayam ia-itu saperti di-Johor Baharu. Dapat-kahKerajaan memberikan sa-jenis ayamyang elok? Saya suka mengeshor-kan, jika Kerajaan boleh mengadakan


tempat memelihara ayam itu di-tiap2negeri, maka tentu-lah orange akantertarek hati untok memelihara ayamitu dan dengan chara ini akan me-nambahkan mata pencharian mereka.

Perkara ketiga yang saya akansebutkan di-sini is-lah bahagian ke-hutanan. Kalau ta' silap saya, padatahun yang lalu sudah pun sayaberchakap berhubong dengan tanamankayu jati. Kayu jati is-lah satu per-usahaan yang sangat berguna keranadengan kayu jati boleh di-buat sa-suatubenda; yang saya faham, PersekutuanTanah Melayu tiada menanam pokokkayu jati ini yang tidak tumboh dengansubor-nya, melainkan di-negeri Perlissahaja is-itu satu kawasan di-jalanPadang Besar yang sekarang ini di-tanam dengan pokok2 kayu jati sa-banyak 50 ekar. Kerajaan negeri Perlishanya dapat mengeluarkan peruntokanbelanja sa-banyak $10,000 sa-tahun.Jika sa-kira-nya Kementerian ini meng-untokkan lebeh banyak lagi bagimemberi bantuan untok menanampokok2 kayu jati di-tempat tersebut,saya perchaya Persekutuan TanahMelayu akan mendapat keuntonganyang besar; dan di-sini saya suka hen-dak mempersilakan Yang BerhormatMenteri yang berkenaan melawat di-sana, mudah2an beliau itu akan tertarekhati dengan keadaan tempat yangtanaman itu subor dan bertumbohdengan elok-nya.

Apa yang saya sebutkan is-lah ber-kenaan dengan peruntokan wang di-negeri Perlis kapada pokok2 kayu j atisa-banyak $10,000 kerana umor-nyakayu2 jati itu boleh di-katakan sangatlama sa-hingga di-antara 50 atau 60tahun baharu boleh di-potong : maàna-nya tentu-lah sa-kali banyak memakanbelanja dan lama juga baharu bolehmendapatkan hasil dan untok di-penohisa-banyak 500 ekar, dan sa-kira-nyaKerajaan Persekutuan memberi per-untokan belanja terhadap kayu jati di-negeri Perlis itu, saya perchaya tentusa-kali Persekutuan Tanah Melayuakan mendapat hasil yang lebeh besar.

Sa-lain daripada itu, is-lah berkenaandengan hutan simpan. Hutan2 simpanyang saya tahu, banyak tempat yangboleh di-keluarkan daripada hutan2simpan, kerana tempat2 itu tidak lagi

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tumboh dengan pokok2 yang berguna,kerana sentiasa di-hapus oleh ayer.Tetapi hutan2 simpan yang perlu sayanyatakan di-sini is-lah hutan2 simpandi-negeri Perlis, is-itu hutan simpanBukit Bendang dalam mukim KolamBatang. Dalam hutan2 simpan itu, padatiap2 tahun sentiasa-lah menjadi ben-dang, kerana dia akan j adi bendang,di-sebabkan hutan2 simpan itu ada-lahsa-laras dengan bendang2 di-situ. Olehyang demikian, saya berseru-lah kapadapehak yang berkenaan supaya dapat,kalau boleh, hutan2 simpan yang bagitukeadaan-nya di-beri kapada raàyatyang susah, yang miskin supaya dapatdi-buat bendang, kerana kalau di-biar-kan tentu sa-kali akan di-dudoki olehburong2 unggas dan binatang2 lainyang akan merosakkan ternakan dansawah padi. Dengan yang demikian,saya berharap supaya hutan2 simpanyang tidak berguna di-tanam untokpokok2 kayu itu di-berikan kapadaKerajaan.

Lagi satu perkara yang saya hendakberchakap is-lah berkenaan dengansharikat kerjasama. Gerakan sharikatkerjasama ini is-lah gerakan yang mem-ber faedah kapada raàyat di-kam-pong2. Gerakan ini telah berjalansa-lama 40 tahun, tetapi perjalanan-nyasa-makin merusut di-kampong2 danhanya sadikit sahaj a is-itu pegawai2sharikat Kerajaan yang boleh mendapatkejayaan dan juga Sharikat InsuranceNyawa. Pada fikiran saya, oleh sebabsharikat2 kampong itu tidak mendapatkemajuan is-lah di-sebabkan beberapaperkara : yang pertama sa-kali is-labkurang penerangan oleh pegawai2 pe-nerangan di-kampong2; yang keduapengalaman pegawai2 penerangan tidakberapa tinggi dengan ìlmu sharikatkerjasama; yang ketiga, Maktab Kerja-sama yang tinggi atau pun graduateuniversity yang saya f aham sapertiIndia dan Ceylon sharikat2 kerjasamadi-sana sangat2 maju, terutama sharikat2kampong, kerana pegawai2 itu is-labkeluaran dari sekolah2 tinggi. Olehyang demikian, saya berseru-lah kalauberkehendakkan gerakan sharikat kerja-sama kampong mendapat kemajuan,maka Kerajaan hendak-lah melanteksatu Surohanjaya bagi mengkaji balekgerakan kerjasama dalam negeri ini


daripada pakar2 negeri2 yang bijakpandai bagi membuat penyata danhantarkan kapada Kerajaan supayaapa2 fikiran dari pakar2 itu sakaliandapat di-jalankan dengan sa-berapasegera-nya demi kepentingan pendudok2kawasan luar bandar terutama sa-kaliorange kampong. Sakian-lah sahaja.Sa-kali lagi saya uchapkan terimakaseh kapada Kementerian yang ber-kenaan dan meminta perhatian yangsa-wajar-nya.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd . Sidek:Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendalc mengam-bil bahagian dalam soal ini is-itumuka 57 Research Branch. Dahuludalam meshuarat belanj awan, kalauta' salah saya telah meminta kapadaKementerian Pertanian dan SharikatKerjasama supaya mengambil perhatiankapada tumboh2an' pandan, mengkuangdan kerechut is-itu sa-bangsa denganpandan yang ada tumboh di-negeriTrengganu sahaja. Ini, Tuari Pengerusi,saya merasa pokok2 pandan, meng-kuang dan kerechut itu ada-lah sangatmemberi faedah kapada pendudok2negeri Trengganu, khas-nya dalamkawasan saya Dungun, kerana sa-bahagian besar-nya wanita2 di-sanaada-lah membuat pekerjaan menga-nyam tikar, beg tangan dan berma-cham2 lagi pekerjaan tangan yangdi-jadikan atau yang di-buat olehwanita2 daripada negeri Trengganu ituyang memberikan nama kapada Kera-jaan kita yang di-bawa ka-dalampertunjokan MAHA di-Kuala Lumpurmi. Saya merasa kurang perhatian di-ambil oleh pehak Keraj aan kita, keranatumboh-nya pokok2 pandan danmengkuang ini ada-lah berselerak di-belakang2 rumah, di-tepi2 j alan. Ja.dikalau di-adakan peruntokan tanahyang khas tanam2an ini saya perchayaakan lebeh memberi hasil yang me-muaskan kapada negeri kita ini, danjuga akan memberi nama yang lebehbalk kapada Kerajaan kita, sebab,Tuan Pengerusi, hasil pekerjaan tanganyang di-buat oleh wanita2 di-negeriTrengganu itu is-itu tikar2-nya sangat-lah halus dan harga-nya sangat mahaldan Banat di-hargai oleh nelanchong2yang datang dari luar negeri,, sa-hinggaada yang di-jualkan dengan harga satutikar dengan sa-buah beg tangan dansatu buah kipas yang biasa di-gunakan

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oleh orange barat is-itu kalau merekapergi makan angin di-tepi laut makadi-jual-nya satu set itu dengan harga25 ringgit. Tetapi says lihat yang di-usahakan oleh Kerajaan is-lah PusatTaman Asohan RIDA di-mana di-ambil beberapa orang wanita di-surohmembuat pekerjaan tangan yang di-ator dengan halus tetapi hanya charakechil sahaja. Jadi beberapa orangwanita yang di-ambil oleh Kerajaanitu sa-bagai peropoganda orang yangdatang dari luar negeri, yang apabilamelawat ka-situ membeli barang2 itu,dan saya rasa barang2 itu harga-nyalebeh mahal daripada yang di-jual di-pasar2. Saya fikir kalau sa-kira-nyapenanaman pokok2 pandan dan meng-kuang ini di-banyakkan dan di-jagaoleh Kerajaan dan oleh pehak Ke-menterian ini, dan di-adakan sharikatbekerjasama dan segala wanita2 yangmembuat kerajinan tangan itu di-jadikan pekerja, dan dengan jalansharikat bekerjasama itu hasilpekerjaan-nya itu dapat di-jualdengan chara wholesale atau retail,Tuan Pengerusi. Sebab wanita2 itusekarang ini boleh di-katakan sangatsusah, kerana kehidupan mereka itudi-peras oleh orang-tengah. Tikar-nyabelum lagi siap, wang sudah di-pinjam-kan, kemudian taukeh itu mengambilbarang itu, Tuan Pengerusi. Denganada-nya sharikat bekerjasama inisegala pekerjaan tangan yang di-buatoleh wanita kampong itu dapat di-kumpulan di-situ, dan dapat meng-elakkan orang-tengah. Saya rasa denganpertolongan Kerajaan itu, maka merekaitu dapat nikmat lebeh sadikit, sebab-nya pekerjaan 'tangan yang di-buatoleh wanita2 itu sa-bagai tikar, begtangan sa-bagaimana yang saya sebut-kan tadi dari masa ka-masa berubahbentok-nya, yang tidak kalah denganpekerjaan tangan orang luar negeri.Saya pernah chuba meluaskan pen-jualan barang2 itu keluar negeri.

Tuan Pengerusi, sa-masa saya ber-niaga di-Jalan Ibrahim, Johor Baharu,maka pekerjaan tangan kita itu sangatdi-sukai oleh bangsa asing. terutamaorang Eropah, sebab barang2 itulengkap, mithal-nya, ada topi untokorang laki2, ada untok perempuan,untok anak laki2 dan; untok anakperempuan. Dan ada sa-orang peniaga

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dari luar negeri is-itu dari Germanbertanya kapada saya is-itu boleh-kahsaya memberi chontoh2 barang2 itudan boleh di-kirim dengan banyakapabila di-minta. Jadi, kalau sa-kira-nya dengan chara yang ada sekarangini sangat susah apabila barang2 itudi-minta susah hendak di-kumpulkan.Kalau ada sharikat bekerjasama, segalabarang2 itu terkumpul, dan bila masasahaja di-mints, kita dapat mengirim-kan-nya dengan chara berpeti ka-luarnegeri. Saya dapati penghargaan orangluar negeri terhadap pekerjaan tanganbangsa kita ada-lah sangat tinggi padahari ini. Saya minta kapada Kemen-terian ini supaya Pusat Anyaman di-Rusila di-dalam kawasan saya itudi-adakan sharikat bekerjasama dansegala wanita yang membuat pekerjaantangan di-kumpulkan di-situ, makabarang2 itu dapat di-hantar ka-luarnegeri, sebab saya yakin dan perchayapekerjaan Mangan kita ini tidak kalahdengan pekerjaan tangan wanita2 di-sabelah barat.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,saya suka menarek perhatian YangBerhormat Menteri berkenaan denganpokok jambu monyet (Ketawa).

Mr Chairman: Bagaimana rupa jam-bu monyet itu?

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd . Sidek:Buah-nya di-luar macham monyet.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Buahgajus.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd . Sidek:Di-tempat saya nama-nya jambu mo-nyet sebab isi-nya macham mukamonyet. Buah gajus ini, Tuan Penge-rusi, di-sabelah Trengganu banyak,tetapi pokok2 itu terbiar sahaja. Buahgajus ini mahal harga-nya, apabiladi-keringkan di-jual sa-bungkus 20sen. Di-sini saya ta' tahu, tetapi di-Singapura orang yang menonton wa-yang selalu beli buah ini untokdi-makan sambil menonton wayangitu, dan ada juga yang di-tinkan danharga-nya 90 sen sa-tin. Pokok gajusdalam negeri ini terbiar bagitu sahaja,sedang hasil-nya besar. Saya harapKementerian ini akan mengadakanpenyiasatan dalam soal pokok gajusini, sebab benda ini boleh menambah-kan mata pencharian orang kampong.

Sekarang saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan Marketing ResearchOfficers di-dalam muka 43. YangBerhormat dari Lipis mempertahankanharga pisang 2 sen sa-kati di-Damakitu. Kata-nya, di-Damak banyak pisangdan apabila barang itu banyak harga-nya menj adi murah. Perkara itu mung-kin juga betul, tetapi, Tuan Pengerusi,kalau sa-kira-nya Kerajaan mengada-kan kenderaan untok membawa barang2itu keluar ka-tempat lain maka barang2itu tidak-lah berlonggok dalam satutempat dan harga barang2 itu tidak-lahjadi bagitu murah.

Jadi itu memang sipat daripadahukum ekonomi, Tuan Pengerusi,bahawa harga barang itu turun naiktetapi kalau kita usahakan_ supayajangan tidak menjadi jatoh harga-nya,boleh, kalau barang itu jangan di-tinggalkan di-sana tetapi di-bawa ke-luar ka-tempat2 lain maka barang2 itutidak akan jatoh harga-nya sampaidua sen. Jadi, ini-lah barangkali YangBerhormat rakan saya dari Kota BharuHilir mengemukakan perkara itu su-paya Marketing Research Officersboleh mengambil perhatian bagaimanachara harga hasil daripada orangekampong kita jangan jatoh sa-bagitumurah.

mi juga, Tuan Pengerusi, saya men-dapat tahu ada tempat2 yang kadang2itu-lah saya kata orange kita di-kam-pong2 ini yang mengharapkan hashdari j ereh lelah daripada tanamanbuah2an, sayor2 mereka itu sa-bahagianbesar-nya sekarang bergantong kapadakehidupan-nya kapada orang tengah.Jadi orang tengah ini bila sudahchengkam kuku-nya dengan orangekampong itu maka dia sedang-lahmenjatohkan atau meninggikan hargabarang2 daripada orange itu. Adatempat2, Tuan Pengerusi, tauke2 inibahawa memang-lah ada; saya tidak-lah tabu apa nama-nya, kalau samaorang kita Islam di-panggil MauludNabi, is-itu di-tutup-lah pasar-nyamaka di-tarok-lah kueh2 dan sem-bahyang-lah dia. Mereka mengadakanwayang2 gambar di-pasar itu, sayafikir barangkali itu chara ugamadaripada saudara2 kita itu, saya tidaktahu-lah apa nama-nya, Tuan Penge-ruse.

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An Honourable Member : CHAP GOHMEH.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd . Sidek:Barangkali itu-lah nama-nya. Tetapisaya ingat chara itu barangkali machamMaulud Nabi kapada kita orangMelayu. Bila sudah kejadian machamitu berlaku, Tuan Pengerusi, makaorange kita di-kampong♦ yang biasa-nyaharga kelapa 6 sen sa-butir atau 8sen, pada hari itu bila hendak di-jualmaka tauke2 itu datang lalu kata-nya,"lu mahu jual 3 sen atau 4 sen luboleh jual, kalau tidak, lu boleh pergisana". Sedangkan orange kita di-kam-pong menghendaki wang untok keper-luan perbelanjaan anak2 mereka pergisekolah, keperluan membeli berasuntok di-makan. Jadi orange kampongitu selalu-Iah bersungut. Pada satuhari timbul-lah perkara yang sa-macham itu, saga ada melihat di-satu tempat ramai orange berkumpulterdiri dari kaum2 ibu belaka makamereka mengadukan-lah kapada saya,"tengok-lah bu, bagini-lah gaya-nyakita, bila orang ini Chap Goh Mehchukai2 di-kenakan untok mengadakanwayang2 gambar di-bandar itu. Makadi-kutip-lah wang daripada hasil kitajuga kalau kelapa sa-malam sa-buahboleh jual 6 sen maka ini hari 4sen, ini terpaksa kita jual juga."Jadi, perkara sa-macham ini sayaminta-fah perhatian daripada pehakKementerian ini supaya jangan terjadimacham ini lagi. Kita tidak marahkapada tauke2 itu bila dia ada peluangmakan, makan-lah dia. Jadi itu tidaksalah kerana itu adat orang berniaga,Tuan Pengerusi. Dia hendak menchariuntong: banyak tetapi yang merasasakit-nya is-lah orange kampong.Tujuan Kerajaan kita pada hari iniis-lah untok membaiki mata pencharianorange kampong maka saya berharap-Iah kejadian sa-macham ini dapatdi-ambil perhatian oleh pehak Ke-menterian yang berkenaan supayajangan berulang lagi pada masa yangakan datang.

Dan masok saya, Tuan Pengerusi,ka-muka 48 Drainage and Irriga-tion Tali Ayer, Tuan Pengerusi. Di-dalam soal Tali Ayer, Tuan Pengerusi,tadi banyak saudara2 Yang Berhormattelah menyatakan terima kaseh-nya ke-

rana ada Tali Ayer di-bahagian2 tempatyang banyak bendang2 dan sawah2.Tali Ayer ini sangat penting dan bolehmenambah hasil daripada bendangmereka itu. Tetapi sa-balek-nya puladi-tempat2 yang tidak ada bendang,Tuan Pengerusi, maka Drainage andIrrigation atau Tali Ayer ini, padamula2-nya orange kampong menyang-kakan akan menambahkan lagi hasildaripada usaha2-nya melalui Tali Ayerini tetapi timbul pula sa-balek-nya di-perolehi oleh orange itu. Mithal-nyadi-masokkan Tali Ayer di-satu ka-wasan kebun kelapa kerana ada-nyajalan Tali Ayer itu maka kebunkelapa itu di-masoki-lah oleh ayermasam. Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi, keranaayer masam untok pokok kelapabukan-lah boleti menghasilkan buahyang banyak tetapi oleh kerana ayermasam maka hasil-nya itu menjadikurang. Sedangkan Tali Ayer ini bilasudah di-adakan maka sudah tentu-lahdi-kawasan2 itu di-naikkan chukai.Kalau chukai dahulu biasa-nya $3.00maka ini hari menjadi $12.00. Jadi,kerana Tali Ayer ini chukai telahbertambah $9.00. Sa-patut-nya kalausa-kira-nya penghasilan daripada orangkampong bertambah 300 peratus tigakali ganda banyak-nya daripada hasildahulu itu, Tuan Pengerusi, ini yangkita harap untok menambahkanpenghasilan daripada mereka itu,tetapi sa-balek-nya mereka bertambahrugi lagi. Pokok2 kelapa yang dahulubarangkali dalam 3 bulan bolehmenghasilkan 1,000 butir maka sa-sudah Tali Ayer ini di-masokkanpenghasilan itu menjadi 600 atau 700butir sahaja. Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi,saya berharap kapada pehak Kerajaandi-mana tempat yang ada sa-machamini supaya di-ambil perhatian dan di-buat penyiasatan serta membaiki lagi.orange kampong tidak di-kehendakipenyakit sa-macham itu dan merekamerayu kapada Kerajaan supayatolong-lah masokkan ayer masin ka-kebun kelapa itu supaya kelapamereka itu dapat menghasilkan buahyang lebeh banyak sa-bagaimanadahulu kala. Dan saya pun merasasedeh kerana mereka itu pada mula2-nya di-harapkan bertambah pengha-silan tetapi kerugian yang dapat. Maka

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saya mengharapkan atas tidak baik-nya mata pencharian orange di-kampong di-tempat2 terjadi-nyamacham ini, supaya chukai 300peratus itu di-turunkan dan kalau dapatj angan di-kenakan chukai kerana me-reka itu tidak dapat untong daripadapenghasilan mereka itu bahkan me-rugikan.

Mr Chairman: Panjang lagi?

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek:Panjang lagi, Tuan Pengerusi.

Mr Chairman : Order! Order! Thetime is up.

House resumes.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: HonourableMembers, I have to report that theCommittee of Supply which has beenconsidering the Supply Bill, 1963, hasprogressed up to Head S. 12 of theSchedule to that Bill. The House willnow stand adjourned till 9.30tomorrow morning.

Adjourned at 6.30 p.m.

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P R L I AMENTA RY DE BAT ES - Parlimen · Haji Abdul Hamid Khan bin Haji Sakhawat Ali Khan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong usul mi. Question put, and agreed to. Resolved,