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ORION TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER

SECRET PROJECTS

Introduction

This report was constructed from over 9 hours of video interviews, personal interviewsand individual commentary. It is structured in an open question-answer format, withoutregard to who is asking the question and who is answering; this format also allowsinsertion of other data in the later part of the report in the same open Q! format. Thedata is not proven or verified, "ut is reported as received. This report containsinformation on the following# The $hiladelphia $ro%ect, or $ro%ect &ain"ow, $hoeni'$ro%ects (-), origins of the &adiosonde and connections with the work of *ilhelm &eich,government weather control programs and hidden agenda, the +ontauk ind ontrolpro%ects, the deli"erate murder of thousands of !merican children in mind control

research and time tunnel e'periments, government time-tunnel pro%ects and operationalprocedures, how ickola Tesla and /on eumann contri"uted to these pro%ects, the0martyrdom clause0, mind control "y individual signature, technical ways to produceplanetary holograms and +atreiya effects, the e'planation "ehind closed time loops,government rationale and plans for the confinement camps and slave la"or, $ro%ect1reamscan, $ro%ect +oonscan, the !ir"orne Instrument 2a"s, $ro%ect +indwrecker, thealien groups known as the 3ondrashkin and their interaction with 45 6overnment mindcontrol programs, the 3amogol II and 6i7a 6roups, the negative 5irians, 5oviet scalarweaponry, 8rion 6roup manipulations, th root race incarnations, telepathy producingdrugs and their use and suppression, the :!! and 7ero-time generators, technical spin-offs from the $hiladelphia pro%ect, the International !erospace !lliance, cross-section of

implant device, *ilhelm &eich and mind control, &eichian 8rgastic-type programmingand its use "y the 45 6overnment and 5irians, the $si-orps, !lien soul-trading,+ontauk and the aliens from the !ntares system, the 2everons, the lohim 6roup, the45 avy and time-tunnel pro%ects, the 45 6overnment and the 6reys, electronic lifesupport,systems of the &eptilian umanoids, new life form masses over the poles andtheir relation to yearly out"reaks of flu-like disease, !I15 and :ort 1ietrick , the 45 !rmy and the "lack helicopter forces, government mo"ilemind disruption technology, nature and purposes and the 8rion 6roup, fourth densitytransmutation of the human race, geological changes, 5irian +ind ontrol technology,and more, along with illustrations gleaned from witnesses with photographic memory anda lot of courage. This information is supplementary to that in hapter ?


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*here do you want to start@

2etAs start with the $hoeni' $ro%ect.

It was a pro%ect that evolved out of the $hiladelphia $ro%ect. it was a pro%ect that the avy

did in the (9)BAs and (9CBAs in an attempt to make ships invisi"le. They threw the switchone eventful day and the ship went into hyperspace. They had all sorts of pro"lems withthe people on the "oat. It was a huge success as well as a huge failure - then they shelvedit. !round (9C? it was decided to re-activate the pro%ect and it was moved to >rookhavenational 2a"oratories with 1r. Dohn /on eumann and his associates. 8ut of $hoeni' Icame 5tealth technology, which I cannot talk a"out "ecause of my %o". It also producedall sorts of energetic little toys like the radiosonde.

*hat is a radiosonde@

*ell, in all appearances it was a little white "o' that they attached to a "alloon and sent

up into the atmosphere. The government told people that it involved gathering weatherdata. It used a very unusual type of pulse modulation. In most cases they used a *rookhaven and ran into a retiredgentleman who used to work there. e told me that the design was originally done "y*ilhelm &eich. That peaked my interest. The story goes that in a"out (9C? *ilhelm&eich handed the 45 6overnment a weather control device, a device that would do18&-"usting. &eich thought that if he could decrease the amount of 18& that stormswould not "e so violent.


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them had gold, silver, platinum and iridium in it. &eich used sensors that had gold andsilver in them. The humidity element is a plastic plate with silver around the rim andconductive lines going across the plate. They put a very unusual mi'ture of chemicals onthis plate. 4nlike most humistors, the resistance went up as it got damp.

*hat weAre theori7ing at this point is that the 0thermistor0 &: was from (B cycles to ?FBcycles. The pulse width could "e varied anywhere from (B to ?Fms. The center frequencywas CB+7 generated from a stay-low type function which was referenced from a 7ero-time function.

*as there any other modulation on this@


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There was frequency hopping on it.

5o $hoeni' Two started in (99@

es, in the period from (99 to (9?(. $hoeni' 8ne went from (9CG to (9G. The first

part of the mind control pro%ect was to take an individual and stand them a"out EFB feetaway from the antenna. The 5!6 radar had a peak pulse power of .F +*. The antennahad a gain of )Bd". That means an effective radiated power of at least a gigawatt. It wasnominally a gigawatt. an you imagine what that would do to people@ I think its ama7ingthese people are still here. It does things like "urn out "rain functions, create neurologicaldamage, scar lungs from heat, etc. They tried this with a num"er of people and there werefew survivors.

*here did they get the volunteers for this@

They were %ust gra""ing indigent people off the street and throwing them in front of the

radar "eam. ThatAs the sort of nonsense that the government loves to do.

*ho was in charge of the pro%ect at this time@

1r. Dohn /on eumann and Dack $ruett.

!ny particular agency@

IAm not sure what the agency was. ow, some"ody got the "rilliant idea to put thesu"%ects directly in line with the gain horn of the antenna. 2o and "ehold they got theirresult without "urning the people up. They found out that "y varying the phase

modulation and the frequency hopping and the pulsing of the multiple phases that theycould have profound effects on a persons mind.

ow many people worked at this installation@

!"out )B.

*ho authori7ed them use of the "ase@

The !ir :orce and the avy. It was a %oint pro%ect. There were "oth avy and !ir :orcepersonnel involved. *e have copies of the orders for the !ir :orce personnel.

*hat was the cover story for the "ase@

They had none. It was a derelict "ase.

It was a"andoned. It was turned over to 65! as surplus around (99 or (9?B when theyshut down all the 5!6 radar systems.


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It was a 0non-e'istent0 operation. it was a perfect cover.

*here did they get the funding@

It was totally private.

orporations@

It didnAt originally come from corporations, although it did in later phases. The originalmoney came from the a7i government.

This is $hoeni' 8ne@

o, this is $hoeni' Two and Three. In (9CC there was an !merican troop train that wentthrough a :rench railroad tunnel carrying J(B "illion in a7i gold which they had found.it was J(B "illion at the (9CC price of JEB per ounce. The train was "lown up in the

tunnel. It killed F( !merican soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at +ontauk.This has "een verified. That money was used to finance the pro%ect for many years as thevalue of gold went uo. They spent all of it and ran out of money. ThatAs when they tappedon ITT, who funded it. ITT was owned "y 3rupp in 6ermany. In terms of personnel,many of the civilians and scientists there were all e'-a7iAs who came from 6ermany"oth "efore and after the war ended. The pro%ect was under 45 6overnment surveillance.The intelligence community knew what was going on and the I! monitored everything,as did other government intelligence agencies. The field of players who actually operatedon the "ase was small, "etween )B and FB. The funding was entirely private. !fter (9G),5enator 6oldwater found out a"out it and started an investigation. e couldnAt find anytrace of government funding. $ruett was the metaphysical director of the pro%ect. e was

!ir :orce. !fter he left 1r. erman . 4ntermann took over. They had an electronicse'pert, 1r. +athew . Herrett, who came over from 6ermany in (9C with *erhner von>raun. $ro"a"ly the reason that they ran out of money is that they had a total of EF "asesaround the 4nited 5tates to support. The last of the "ases shut down !ugust (E, (9G).The "ase at +ontauk, where all the stations got their 7ero-time reference from, shut downand the other two remaining "ases went down with it.

*hat a"out some of the mind effects@

:rom what I recall of the program, as I was part of it, I was su"%ected to the mind controlfield not as I initially went into the program


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ThatAs where a lot of disappearing !merican kids went@

*e estimate they took (B,BBB !merican children off the street and "rought them to+ontauk, ew Dersey. The total num"er of people that they pulled off the streets for theEF stations was a"out EFB,BBB. *hat the actual thrust of the program was in terms of all

these kids is still a mystery. *e still donAt know the answers. *e know they were fullyprogrammed for something. They were su"%ected to programming which eventually"ecame more 0humane0 using advanced electronic techniques. The original programmingwas &eichian in nature and was more physical. 2ater they worked out techniques thatused computers and electronic programming with the &eichian techniques that took veryfast and had little side effects.

!re you aware of any people presently who have "een through this@

IAve run into people over the years. There is a very specific field identity pattern you candetect if you are sensitive enough. ou can spot a person who has "een through the

+ontauk program 0five miles away0. itAs vary distinctive in the way that itAs "een altered.IAve spotted more than a do7en people in the 2ong Island, ew ork area.

*hat a"out /on eumann@

e was still alive up until (9G9. e has run into a pro"lem with the government as wellas other pro"lems, such as a personality split in (9??, when he resigned as director and"ecame a consultant. The government told everyone he died in (9F. The government isstill interacting with him.

*ere any of the +ontauk su"%ects given psycho tropic drugs@

I donAt think so...

They used one drug which was used in connection with the &eich programming to makethem more receptive. I donAt remem"er the name of it. The effect of the drug was that itwould make you 0horny as hell0.

!lso euphoric at the same time@

!lso euphoric, yes.

1id they get this mind-altering chair from the aliens@

The prototype came from the aliens. >eyond that we are uncertain. This chair wasessentially a mind amplifier. The government would have specially trained individuals sitin the chair and generate thoughtforms, which would "e amplified and transmitted. Theycould transmit the signal and put people in a pre-orgasmic state where they would "ereceptive to programming. It worked very well and they found other capa"ilities. Theyfound that it could work in time. They had a psychically trained individual sit in the chair


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and generate a thoughtform of a vorte' that connected (9C? and (9G(. ThatAs e'actlywhat they got - a time tunnel they could walk through. There was a series on television atone time that portrayed this concept fairly accurately. These were some of the earliercapa"ilities. They started going forward and "ackward in time. That was the last phase ofthe $hoeni' pro%ect.

*hen did this time machine get going@

!round (9?9 or (9GB it was fully operational. This transmitter had enough power to warpspace and time. The individual in the chair would have to synthesi7e the vorte' function"ecause they didnAt have the technical capa"ility to do that. It can now "e mechanicallysynthesi7ed. They did other things. They had the su"%ect in the chair think of somecreature, and the creature would materiali7e. They had the individual in the chair think ofall the animals at +ontauk point charging into town, and thatAs e'actly what happened.They almost had the power to create a "eing. The pro"lem they had was that what theycreated only stayed as long as the mind amplifier was on. The power was somewhere

"etween gigawatts and terrawatts. Tremendous power. The vorte' could have a diameterof a"out five miles.

an you descri"e what this looked like@

Its like looking into a peculiar spiral tunnel which was lit up down its entire length. ouwould start to walk into this thing and then suddenly youAd "e pulled down it. ou didnAtwalk through it as such. ou were more or less propelled through it. ou could goanywhere in space and time.

ould you "ring things "ack@

es.

ave you ever "rought anything "ack@

es.

ould you continue your description of the tunnel@

es. The walls were solid "ut fluted. The tunnel was not straight "ut was a sort ofcorkscrew shape.

If someone turned off the power, would you "e stuck in the destination time and space@

es. ouAd "e stuck there.

1id they send a lot of kids down the tunnelA@

es, "ut we donAt know what their goals were. They lost a lot of kids.


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5ince there is a time loop "etween however far you went "ack in the past throughhowever far into the future, is everything fi'ed@

es.

8ne of the first things they did was send recruits forward to around B)B !1. It wasalways to the same point. 5omewhere in an a"andoned city where there was a statue ofsolid gold. *hen they came "ack they were asked what they saw. *hether they weree'pecting to find a different answer from person to person is unknown. They would lookinto the vorte' and make sure the environment would support life "efore they sentpeople. They took samples.

!re there potential futures that people could "e sent to@

o. once you make the connection with the future the line "ecomes fi'ed to that point.

an you change the present "y sending someone to the past@

es. ou can also change the present "y sending someone into the future. 4nder certainconditions. The government is using e'isting time machines to go forward in the+ontauk time line.

!re you saying that now the present canAt "e changed "ecause we have esta"lished atime-loop through the future and the past@

es. That means whatever everyone is doing "etween the most e'treme past point andthe future they will "e doing forever.

*hat is the furthest anyone has traveled in the future@

(B,BBB !1.

5o everything is locked in until (B.BBB!1@

es. ItAs a dreamlike reality. o one has picked up a tangi"le future "eyond EB(E !1.There is a very a"rupt wall there with nothing on the other side.

$rophecies speak of earth changes around then.

urious, isnAt it@

an you pro%ect yourself two hours into the future and meet yourself@

es, "ut its very dangerous. The person who walked into the tunnel is out of phase withthe person who comes out the other end. This did happen. The result is that the person%ust incinerates.


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1id they ever give you a weapon in case you ran into anything negative@

They didnAt have to do that. The vorte' could "e arranged to follow the person, so thatthey could "ring them "ack in if anything went wrong. They could see them on a viewer.

5o they achieved a working time portal. !t one point they had a situation where they hada 0monster from the I10 type creature come through and everyone went into a panic.They shut the transmitter off. The creature ate people and equipment. They had to go"ack and shut down the unit in $hiladelphia in order to shut off the unit in the future sothey could stop this creature in (9G). This was on !ugust (E,(9G). The vorte' locked onto the (E !ugust (9C) test and formed a loop. !ll this occurred "ecause someone plantedthe thought in the mind of the operator in the chair to generate this creature. It was aneffort to sa"otage the pro%ect. ! lot of people thought the pro%ect had gone too far. *henI worked for them "etween (9?( and (9G) ( was so tired when I would get home fromwork. *hat they would do is that when I my mission was over they would return me to apoint milliseconds "efore I left. It would appear from one perspective that I never left. 8f

course, after I stopped working there, all that stopped. Is there a reason that all thesethings happened@

If you go "ack into the $hiladelphia e'periment end of it, which was the "eginning of thewhole "usiness, one can see from the way that thing was maneuvered that there was ahigher force of some kind involved in setting the whole thing up .... "ecause it neverwould have happened the way it did unless two o"scure dates CB years apart coincided"etween the two e'periments# the pro%ect known as the $hiladelphia e'periment, or$ro%ect &ain"ow, in (9C) and the +ontauk pro%ect in (9G).

If I may inter%ect something here. There is a point a"out two thirds of the way down the

time tunnel where the person who is going through the tunnel perceives a large 0thump0.The personAs consciousness leaves their "ody. There is a tendency to see things on a"roader "asis. I am sure there was some intelligence there. 2ooking "ack on mye'periences, IAm sure there was some intelligence there. I would have trou"le with therecognition of it. *hat they were trying to do at +ontauk was to sta"ili7e the perceptionprocess that would occur upon e'teriori7ation from the "ody. They were trying tomanifest that for some reason. *e donAt know what their purpose was.

*hat was the role of the aliens in this whole thing, other than the prototype of the mentalamplifier chair@

That would "e the another part of this that we havenAt got into yet.

2etAs look at what the $hiladelphia e'periment got into in a technical sense. It was whatstarted all this happening. It originally "egan "ack in the (9)BAs in hicago with threepeople. 1r. Dohn utchinson 5r., who was the 1ean of the 4niversity of hicago,ickola Tesla, and 1r. 3urtenaur, who was an !ustrian physicist who was on staff at the4niversity.


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They decided to do something with the speculation regarding the concept of things andpeople "eing invisi"le. This su"%ect had "een discussed for several year. They gottogether and did some research at the 4niversity of hicago around (9)( or (9)E. In(9)) the Institute of !dvanced 5tudies at $rinceton was formed and the pro%ect wastransferred there in (9)C. 8ne of the people on staff at the Institute was 1r. Dohn rich

/on eumann, who was from >udapest ungary. e got his degree in chemistry in (9EFand his $h.1. in mathematics in (9E. e taught in urope for a"out four years andtransferred to the 4nited 5tates. e taught at the graduate level for three years and wasinvited to %oin the Institute.

8ther people at the Institute included !l"ert instein, who left 6ermany in (9)B. ewent to the alifornia Institute of Technology for three years and taught there and thenwent to the Institute upon their invitation and acceptance. ! lot of other people showedup there as time went on. The pro%ect e'panded a"out (9). In the meantime, Tesla wasnamed director of the pro%ect. e was a friend of president :ranklin &oosevelt, whomTesla met in (9(? when :1& was secretary of the avy. Tesla was asked at that time to

do some work for the government for the war effort, which he did. e accepted and"ecame director of the invisi"ility pro%ect until he resigned in (9CE. In (9), afterintensive study, they decided to have an initial test of their work. They achieved somepartial invisi"ility. The avy and everyone else was encouraged to continue the work,and the avy supplied money for research.

5cientists were coming to the 4nited 5tates from 6ermany until (9)9, when the war with6ermany was started.

In (9CB, after research using TeslaAs approach, they decided they were ready for a full testat the >rooklyn avy ard. They had a small ship and a tender ship at each side. 8ne

ship provided the power and the other supplied the drive for the coils. They weretendered to the test ship "y ca"les. The idea was that if anything went wrong they couldcut the ca"les or sink the test ship. verything worked and the pro%ect was declared asuccess.

The important point a"out the (9CB test is that there was no one on "oard the test vehicle.It was strictly a dry run with no people. This is important "ecause of what happened later.

8ther people came on "oard. Thomas T. >rown %oined the pro%ect "ecause of hise'pertise in electrogravity effects. e had the task of solving the pro"lem of the 6ermanmagnetic mines that were affecting allied shipping and aval efforts. This led into aparallel pro%ect which involved the use of degaussing coils and ca"les to e'plode themines at a distance from the ship.

The avy wanted several people to keep an eye on the tests. That is how I got involved.3eeping technical commentaries. 2etAs look at ickola Tesla.

In (G?9 his father died and his first year at college ended. e came to the 4nited 5tates in(GGC. e had enormously intuitive insight. e had a perfect track record. >efore coming


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to the 45 he had known &o"ert 8ppenheimer, who later worked with the development ofthe atomic "om", and 1r. 1avid il"ert, the mathematician who devised equations foril"ert 5pace, which descri"ed multiple space or multiple realities mathematically. Theseequations for multiple space "ecame very important in the pro%ect. 1r. von eumann metil"ert in (9E? and retained a lot of what he had learned. *ith that, /on eumann

developed other new systems of mathematics. /on eumann was considered to "e one ofthe most outstanding mathematicians in this century. 5ome think he was "etter thaninstein. !nother mathematician involved was 1r. Dohn 2evinson, who was "orn in(9(E. e died in (9?. e pu"lished three "ooks on mathematics. There is no otherhistory of 2evinson himself anywhere that I can find. 2evinson developed the so-called2evinson Time quations. with all this "ehind them, the group had all they needed toproceed with the pro%ect.

!fter the successful (9CB test, the avy decided to give the pro%ect unlimited funds andto classify the pro%ect. 8n 1ecem"er F, (9C( I was in 5an :rancisco and the governmentcame and told me that a war with Dapan would start within ?E hours and that they needed

me to assist them. In Danuary (9CE I ended up at the Institute of !dvanced 5tudies. Teslawas given a ship and a crew for a full si7ed test. Tesla got a "attleship. Tesla and /oneumann didnAt agree on some things. Tesla insisted that they were going to have a verysevere pro"lem with personnel. Tesla wanted more time "ut the !/ wouldnAt agree.Tesla made periodic announcements in the late (9)BAs and early (9CBAs a"out his contactwith off planet species. e was in contact with the outside, who agreed that there was apro"lem with the people. e decided to sa"otage the (9CE test in an attempt to stop thepro%ect. e de-tuned the equipment so nothing would work. The test failed. Tesla thenturned the pro%ect over to /on eumann in +arch (9CE and left the pro%ect.

/on eumann went to the avy and requested time to study the pro"lem to determine

what had gone wrong. /on eumann decided to make changes in some of the equipment.e decided he would need a special ship that was designed from the ground up. Theldridge was selected. The equipment was "uilt into the ship. They put all the equipmenton the ship. 8cto"er (9CE arrived. They selected )) volunteers for the crew, who arrivedafter graduation in 1ecem"er (9CE. *e still have a picture of the class.

!fter the ship was out of drydock work "egan. In +ay of (9C) von eumann installed athird generator. It would never synchroni7e with the other two. It went out of control oneday and 7apped one of the men. /on eumann pulled out the third generator


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were not right. The test "egan, and for a"out a minute everything was all right. The shipsoutline could "e seen in the water. There was suddenly a "lue flash and the shipdisappeared entirely. o radio communication was possi"le. It was gone. In a"out threehours it came "ack. 8ne of the masts was "roken. 5ome personnel were partiallyem"edded in the steel deck. 8thers were fading in and out. 5ome disappeared entirely.

+any were insane. The avy e'tracted the crew and proceeded with four days ofmeetings to decided what to do a"out the pro"lem. They decided there would "e onemore test with another dry run without personnel. They conducted the dry run usinga"out (BBB feet of ca"le attached to another ship. In late 8cto"er (9C) the test occurred.The ship disappeared for a"out EB minutes. *hen it returned, they found equipmentmissing. Two transmitter ca"inets and one generator was missing. The ca"inet with the7ero-time reference generator was intact. !t that point, the avy stripped the ship andstopped the pro%ect. The ldridge served in the war and was turned over to 6reece at theend of the war.

The important thing is that there were two tests that were e'actly CB years apart to the

day. It was a CB year separation in hyperspace. ow, the arth itself has a "iorhythm thatpeaks on a EB year cycle on !ugust (Eth. It 0%ust happened0 to peak and provided theconnecting link through the fields of the arth for the two e'periments to lock up inhyperspace. *alk-in efforts are aided if they occur during this peak.

The ship was pulled into hyperspace. *e were inside the ship and knew something wasdrastically wrong with the test. *e tried to shut it off "ut it wouldnAt shut off. *e ran outon deck and %umped over the side of the ship. *e %umped over"oard "ut ended up in atime tunnel which ended at +ontauk, 2ong Island on !ugust (Eth, (9G). !t night. *ewere found very quickly and taken down stairs, where /on eumann greeted us. ee'pected us. It was a "it of a shock. *e had %ust "een in (9C) and now we were in (9G)

looking at /on eumann as an old man. e said that there was a hyperspace lockup andthat we had to go "ack and shut off the generators on the ship or the hyperspace riftwould keep increasing and possi"ly engulf the planet. e had "een waiting CB years forus to arrive.

+ontauk sent us "ack and we smashed the equipment with a'es. The ship returned to itsoriginal point in space and a"out three hours later in time. :rom (9C) on, /on eumanndidnAt know what happened. e had modified earlier equipment in (9C) to where he hada full "lown time machine. The 6ermans also were working on time travel, and had itworking in (9CF %ust "efore the end of the war. This is all a matter of record.

!fter the avy decided to shut down the pro%ect in (9C), /on eumann was sent to workon the atomic "om" pro%ect at 2os !lamos until that was over. In (9C? there were ma%orchanges in the 1epartment of 1efense. 5omeone in the new structure decided to dig upthe $hiladelphia pro%ect to see if they could find out what went wrong. They asked /oneumann to 0take another look0 at the pro%ect. e agreed.

There is another matter. 5tarting a"out !ugust th, (9C), 4:8s appeared over theldridge for a"out si' days. They were there during the test. 8ne of the 4:8s was sucked


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up into hyperspace with the ldridge and it ended up in an underground facility in+ontauk in (9G). It contained a charging device which some aliens made us go "ack andget for them, as they didnAt want humans to have it. *e donAt know who they were. $ruettwas concerned a"out an alien invasion.

!lso, /on eumann was called "y the government to come and assist in the e'aminationof a crashed 4:8 in (9C? at !7tec. !nother crash occurred at !7tec a"out a year later.The first crash had greys on it and none survived. !t least one occupant survived thesecond crash. The radar systems unintentionally "rought down the craft. &adar was usedintentionally after that until the aliens got wise to it. The occupant of the second crashwas not a grey, and /on eumann got to talk with it. /on eumann asked it what theanswer to the invisi"ility pro"lems could "e. e learned that he had to go "ack and do hishomework in metaphysics. The nature of the pro"lem was that the personnel on the shipwere not locked to the 7erotime reference of the ship. umans are normally locked to thepoint of conception as a time reference, not a 7ero-time reference. The time stream lockallows the person to flow in synch with the system so interaction is possi"le.

Time locks are fragile. !ll the power of the pro%ect disrupted the time-locks of the peopleon the deck on the ship. *hen the ship came "ack in time, the people didnAt come "ack tothe same reference.

/on eumann reali7ed that he needed a computer, as well as some knowledge ofmetaphysics in order to "e a"le to lock the time reference of the people to the timereference of the ship. e "uilt a computer in (9FB for the purpose. It was ready to "einstalled in (9FE and a test was performed in (9F) that was successful. They didnAt gofloating off into space when it was over. !t this point, the avy canceled $ro%ect&ain"ow and changed the name to pro%ect $hoeni'.

!lot came out of the negative effects of the &ain"ow pro%ect. 5ome of it led to mindcontrol research programs in the $hoeni' pro%ect. The invisi"ility research producedsome 5tealth technology as well as other highly classified pro%ects.

In (9G), they decided to apply mind control to all participants in these pro%ects in aneffort to cover them up. They had also "een working on another pro%ect# age regression.ow, Tesla had sought "ack in the (9CBAs to develop equipment that could help themem"ers of the crew after they lost time-lock . The government developed it into the ageregression program. It was physical age regression. ! person retained the memory theyhad from the older age.

TeslaAs theory was that if you took the individualAs time-lock and moved it forward intime than you would remove aging. ThatAs what happened. It took "etween )B and Bdays for the "ody to complete the change to the new time reference.

ow, some of this turned up in the movie called the $hiladelphia 'periment, which wasreleased in (9GC. The government got an in%unction which "anned showing in the 45 for


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two years. It was overturned in (9G and it was out on tape. I saw the film in (9GG, and ithelped "ring "ack some of my memory a"out this.

!ny initial comments a"out electromagnetics@

*ell, are a lot of interesting aspects. There is a e'plained "y most theories. It is notmagnetic field only propagates at B.C of the electromagnetic field propagates at the speedelectric field


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*ell, the aircraft com"ines two aspects for invisi"ility. 8ne of the aspects relates to theconstruction and coating applied to the surface. The other aspect relates to an electronictype of invisi"ility package which is a result of work done on the $hiladelphia e'perimentyears ago. !lso, the stealth has a secondary drive system which is very advanced andallows it to fly in space. The assistant director of !5! admitted that this came straight

out of alien technology. e admitted this to the pu"lic.

e did@

es.

ThatAs interesting in view of the governmentAs apparent position with respect to coverttechnology.

There are "reaks in the government secrecy programs that are starting to show up. +oreand more people are getting totally disgusted with government activities and attitudes and

they are "eginning to talk.

+ay"e itAs a deli"erate leak.

It could "e deli"erate. ven +D-(E in (9GC was a"out to "reak some information to thepu"lic a"out TAs and 4:8s. They decided not to release it at that time. Dohn 3ennedydemanded that they release it within one year. e also demanded that the I! get out ofthe drug "usiness. They assassinated him.

ave you found any resistance to what you have "een coming out with@

o. The avy keeps quiet, "ut I hear rum"lings underground that they are definitely notpleased a"out it. The so-called .. martyrdom clause0 works in my favor. They know that Iknow why they canAt touch me. If they do, they know that there will "e real pro"lems intime and space "ecause of it. There are two of us that are holding certain factors insta"ility. If anything is done to either of us, there could "e a rip in hyperspace. The wholereality system will shift. I will give you one guess as to what it will most likely shift to#*e won the second world war "y a slim margin. 6erman technology was way ahead ofus. If the war had gone on another )B days the 6ermans would have won it. They hadsuper weapons in production which they were ready to use. They were so close towinning the war that hurchill and :1& were really worried a"out it. If the system shifts,it could shift to a parallel reality where the 6ermans won the war.

ThatAs why the government doesnAt dare kill either of you@

&ight. >ecause of what we were involved in, it might %eopardi7e our entire reality system.

ould you e'plain how a closed time loop works@


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*ell, one of the pro"lems that has developed is that when you travel through time youcannot come "ack to the e'act point of origin. It has to "e later than when you left. If youwere to come "ack to the e'act point at which you took off you would "e at the samepoint twice in your lifetime and there would "e a very serious pro"lem.

*ould you refresh my memory a"out some of the dates involved with the developmentof electronic mind control in the 45@

The mind control e'periments were moved to +ontauk a"out (99. The hardware phaseof some of the later e'periments "egan a"out (9?F; equipment to modify the 5!6transmitter was ordered a"out (9?).

ITT was the main contractor and su"-contracted portions of the contract out. +ost of thecontracts were awarded to firms on 2ong Island.

5o what did they actually prove that they could do when the e'periments were over@

*hat they essentially proved they could do was that they could control a person that theyhad the 0signature0 for. This pattern that was unique to an individual could "e put into thecomputer program for the transmitter. ! second order wavelength would "e transmittedthat has a lower attenuation and affects that persons mind directly. There could "e acommand to do anything focused at the person. 8nce a device was constructed thatillustrated this principle on a wide scale. ! mental message was put out that if any"odyheard the message they were to call a certain phone num"er. 8ver BB calls came fromall over the ast coast all the way down to :lorida. It works.

ThatAs interesting. ThereAs a fellow who calls himself 2ord +attreya who says that he is

the hrist returned to the planet; that when he links up with the international press he willsend a telepathic message to the entire planet in their own language and they will hear it.They also are supposed to receive a visual image. 5o.. they have that technology@

es. There is not only an indivdual signature. ThereAs a racial signature and also auniversal signal for the human race. The government has used all three to target specificindividuals. They have also done group messages targeted on a specific racial or ethnicgroup. ThatAs common. In >oston and ew ork they were doing e'periments on 0moodcontrol0 on the cities. Transmitters used no longer e'ist, "ut the technology does.

1o targeted individuals perceive what they are receiving as their own thought@

es.

Is there any defense against that@

es and no. Theoretically no. This is what the government depends on. $racticallyspeaking, they canAt get everyone, "ecause some people are naturally resistant, dependingon their level of mental and psychic development. $erhaps FL of the population do not


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respond to these signals. If they get 9FL coverage, they donAt care a"out that FL. ThatAswhat they have the riot squads and the concentration camps for. There is no defenseunless you can interfere with that signal. 5ome people %ust donAt react.

5o they transmit a thought signal@

ot e'actly. If you were put on an 6, you would e'hi"it a certain pattern of electricalresponses. These can "e recorded and they are unique to you. It can "e recorded andstored and replicated on a computer. If they can replicate your &!M1! pattern theyAvegot you too - for life.

ou mentioned a"out concentration camps@

es. They are all over the 4nited 5tates. There are three in !ri7ona alone.

5o they can control us to the point where weAll %ust hand over our guns@

ThatAs what they hope. It depends on how effective this equipment "ecomes, howthoroughly installed it is everywhere, and whether or not people can ferret this stuff outand render it inoperative "efore that time arrives.

ow a"out the idea of a conflict "etween moral conscience and what the mentalcommand tells you do to@

ou donAt have the option not to act as it says the way that equipment is set up - if you arenot aware enough to make a connection that it is not your thought. It does not negatechoice, it %ust puts in a strong impluse or command. Those people who responded "y

calling that num"er had no idea what went through their heads. 5ome of this does requirepreconditioning to a response pattern.

ould they "e doing this over the media, like television and radio@

8f course.

ouAre suggesting a state of a"soulte corruption.

!"solutely correct. $lanned corruption.

*ith this kind of technology, why do they need concentration camps@

>ecause there are always people that are resistant.

I would think that they would annihilate them, not lock them up. The first step is thecamps, where you can handle them easier, then you can eliminate them en masse. oudonAt go down the streets shooting every"ody down. 8nce youAre in the camps, they "reakyou down mentally. TheyAre e'perts at that.


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*e think theyAre shipping guillotines in there for the people that donAt comply. TheyArelooking for a slave la"or force. That is what .&. CB?9 is a"out thatAs in ongress now. Itcreates a slave la"or force in the prison system, which will "e privately owned. 5tateswill pay the private prison a fee in order to put their prisoner in there.

es.

*hat are some of the other pro%ects that relate to the capacity of factions operating withinthe 4nited 5tates 6overnment and corporations to manipulate and control the population@

*ell "etween (9?? and (9?G a pro%ect called 1reamscan came on line. It ceased in (9?9.The goal of the pro%ect was to gain the technical a"ility to enter into an individuals mindin the dream state and cause his death. There was a movie called 1reamscape whichshowed what they discovered they could do. The pro%ect was run "y the 5ecret6overnment and managed "y the 5!. The purpose of the pro%ect was to provide for ameans of covert assassination. $resident arter found out a"out it and had it stopped. The

hardware is still intact and in storage. There have "een attempts to put it "ack on line "yvarious intelligence operations, some of which are said to involve !TT operatives.

*hat else@

!round (9G?, a pro%ect called +oonscan started. It lasted into (9G9 and involvedpositioning mind control equipment on the moon for use on the population of earth. It,like the others, has clear connections to negative alien activity.

*ho ran that one@

It was managed "y an organi7ation called !ir"orne Instrument 2a"oratories

In ew ork 5tare, at :armingdale, 1eer $ark and 2ong Island.


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*hat is the current status of !I2@

*ell.. there were eight pro%ects ongoing at !I2 that also had to do with the developmentof weaponry against aliens. In (9G9 the 8rion group discovered this and destroyed thepro%ects. It can only "e assumed that !I2 still functions in other areas.

*hat other research goes on at 2ong Island@

&esearch on scalar weaponry, like the one that destroyed the hallenger.

I thought the hallenger was destroyed "y the 5oviets using scalar weapons@

o. The 5oviets didnAt do that. The oddity with the incidents as far as the 5oviets wereconcerned was that they pulled their ships a"out (FB miles out to sea "efore it happened.They were not the direct cause, which was a scalar weapon that they were trying to putinto or"it and test. It accumulated a charge while the hallenger was going up through

the atmosphere and turned itself on. That is what destroyed the hallenger. It might have"een deli"erate.

*hat was the ultimate power "ehind the $hoeni' pro%ects@

4ltimately, the whole thing is manipulated "y the 8rion group. The e'pectation was thatthey could use mind control to take over the populace in the (99BAs - no later than (99C or(99F. They have also "een doing genetic work in which they alter a human sperm andovum to the e'tent that all offspring will produce hy"rids with new characteristics.umans will mate and create children with alien genetics. ThatAs one step "eyond theaverage a"duction scenario. There are other things happening with the human race.

2ike what@

5ince (9C?, there have "een components of the th race incarnating on the planet. TheFth race was the !ryans. The th race humans are (BBL telepathic - the secretgovernment and the 8rion group sees them as a threat. TheyAve "een aware of it since(9CE.

*asnAt there a movie a"out something like that years ago@

es. I donAt remem"er the name, "ut it came out in (9GE. In that film, there was a drug

that made "a"ies that were (BBL telepathic. This kind of thing has actually happened.There was a anadian company that was producing a drug which turned out to do %ustthat. This was "etween (9C and (9C?. It was removed from the market immediately,although its use continues privately. In the movie, the government had a way of usingelectromagnetics to e'plode a persons head to get rid of them.

5ounds like something they mught have developed at +ontauk.


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It does, doesnAt it@

*hat is the current situation with aliens@

5omewhat mi'ed and confused. There has "een a lot going on all around the planet. In

5eptem"er and 8cto"er (99B there was an alien group from some other dimension thatwas attempting to invade the planet. They took down all the 7ero-time generators all overthe country. The :!! was especially affected. The rogue group was stopped "y anotherspecies. :or many years, some factions of the 8rion group depended on a ring of aliensatellites that would sustain life functions. Those were wiped out in ovem"er (99B "ythe same group.

5o there are positive light forces out there that are seeking to "alance these negativeactivities "y the 8rion group@

es. I am not at li"erty to tell you their identity.

1o you think that this group is related to those who flew over military nuclear silos andrendered the warheads inoperative@

I donAt know if they were involved, although I could ask. The nuclear charade is anotherthing on a cultural level. The idea of nuclear war was eliminated a long long time ago "yall ma%or powers on arth. The threat of a nuclear winter and the fact that you canAtdetonate two nuclear devices too close together in time stops them from doing it. I think alot of people are aware that the same forces that control the 4nited 5tates today are thesame forces that supported the "uildup of a7i 6ermany and the 5oviet 4nion andarranged for **II and /ietnam. The pu"lic has "een lied to in so many areas since the

early (9)BAs that they donAt know whatAs going on. +ost people still think that theongress and the $resident run the country and that they have onstitutional rights.

ow a"out some interesting technology spin-offs from the $hiladelphia e'periment@

*ell, there are a lot of them in use "y the I! and the 5!, as well as other corporateand government agencies. There is a porta"le unit that can render an individual invisi"le.The 5! is known to use those on a fairly regular "asis. There is also a 4:8 research"ased covert organi7ation that is "elieved to have them@

!nd what would that "e@

*ell, its a super secret international organi7ation that is funded "y all ma%orgovernments. It performs research on aliens and alien technology, coverup operations,and also does espionage. The group is negatively oriented and is considered to have nopositive attri"utes in relation to other humans. It is called the International !erospace!lliance.

ow does it fit into the hierarchy of command and control@


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ItAs connected to +D-(E, which is "elieved to "e headed "y 3issinger at this time. It isalso connected to the Doint hiefs of 5taff and the $resident. !I2 type units are alsoconnected to the +D group.

I have heard a tape of &o"ert 2a7ar, the 6 6 scientist, and others who indicate that

the highest clearance level is 42T&!. Is that it@

There is also >2!3 2/2 clearance.

*hat is involved with those little implants that are spheres@

Those devices are a"out )mm in si7e. They are called 5>+1As, or 5pherical >iological+onitoring and ontrol 1evices. They represent an organically enhanced synaptidprocessor powered "y a micro-positron flow that controls or mimics the functions withinthe human nervous system with micro relays that duplicate "rain operation or engrampatterns.

*hat is the real story "ehind *ilhelm &eich@

+ost people are familiar with &eichs "rilliant work with "ions, weather modification,cancer "iopathy and other devices. &eichs work has "een of interest to the ationalsecurity !gency for some time, and it involves the fact that when a person iselectronically maintained in a pre-orgastic state in their nervous system, gateways untothe mind open up for mind control to take hold. It is his most secret work as far asapplications are involved. &eichs contact with alien species, his discoveries a"out lifeenergy and cancer, and the mind control applications are some of the reasons why he waskilled. This knowledge was com"ined with other knowledge, some of it alien in nature,

and integrated into the work at +ontauk and su"sequent covert pro%ects to su"vert thepeople of the 4nited 5tates and the world under an 8rion "ased system.

*hat are some of the ways they put people into this state@

*ell, there are these devices. very psychiatric facility has them. :or a male, they attachelectrodes to five points on the "ody


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scenario. The order for the date came from a man in the *hite ouse who was directingcertain aspects of the pro%ect.

This man was one of the 3-group and headed what was called the $si-corp. It was analien intervention. This was scheduled to "e a main invasion from a different universe.

ow a"out other types of aliens that were involved@

+ost of the other alien groups around, including the ones that had their shipped suckedinto hyperspace, were o"servers of what was going on, not participants. >eyond theo"vious fact that they were o"serving for themselves, there is insufficient data todetermine whether they were o"serving for anyone else.

*hat a"out the alien ship, again, that was trapped underground at +ontauk@

I was part of the group that dismantled it. *hat is involved is that you have to find out

how everything goes together. ou have to read their manuals... there were sevenoccupants of that ship; four of them would not talk to us. ventually, three of them did,and we learned their language and deciphered their manuals a"out the construction andmaintenance of the ship...

They werenAt 6reys@

o. They were a"out foot F inches tall. They were essentially human in appearance.They had dark leathery skin. They had no hair. *here they came from we were not sure.*e donAt even know why they were there, e'cept perhaps to o"serve the test on !ugust(E, (9C). *hen the ship appeared in (9G) underground, we were initially concerned as to

whether this ship represented some sort of 0point man0 for an invasion of some kind.

*as there any weaponry a"oard that craft@

ot that I remem"er. The ship had a lot of strange devices on it. *e took a lot of stuffapart. *e took off part of the control panels, and communications equipment. *edecided not to touch the main power plant "ecause we thought it might "low up if wefooled with it. *e left the food processing units intact. The ships drive systems wereremoved. ! lot of the ship was stripped down right to the shell. It was left that way.

*hy would they suspect an invasion@

IdonAt know, e'cept that there have "een so many groups over the years trying to invadethis planet. 8ne wonders why they want to "other with this mud "all and its "ackwardtechnology.

Dohn 2ear suggests that the human race represents a gene pool.


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That is one good possi"ility. !nother one, and I get this from sources I canAt reveal at thismoment, is that they are seeking certain rare earth elements they apparently canAt findelsewhere.

&o"ert 2a7ar mentioned a "ook that contained the history of earth and that it said that

humans were referred to as ..containers for souls0 and that souls could "e traded insomething like a "arter system.

The aliens are doing it all the time.

TheyAre trading in souls@

es. They were shuffling us around like we were cattle to them.

$roperty. *hat do you think of that concept as applied to humans@

*ell, it is mentioned that several races consider humans in some ways similar to that.*hether it is the "odies or the souls that are considered property, I donAt know. It appearsthat they are concerned more with the "odies, the genetics, and the capa"ilities of thehuman mind. The capa"ilities of the human mind are virtually unlimited. That fascinatessome species.

Those aliens that were on that ship. *hat "ecame of them@

8ut of the seven, four did not talk and three did talk to us. 8ne of the group that did nottalk to us was evidently the captain of the ship. e eventually killed the three that did talkto us. The four remaining aliens were put into 0deep free7e0 "y the people who were

running the underground at +ontauk. I have no idea what they did with the other three"odies.

*hat happened to the craft@

itAs still there, as far as I know. It was a gold colored saucer a"out si'ty feet in diameter. Ithad a "ulge on "oth the top and "ottom.

In one of 2inda +oulton oweAs "ooks they had pictures of types of alien writing. *ereyou ever a"le to determine the language they used@

The language they were using was apparently that of the 6reys. The sym"ol that the6reys use a lot is the same sym"ol that the Trilateral ommission uses.

ow "ig is the underground at +ontauk@

ItAs very large. It e'tends for miles, especially the Fth and th levels. !lmost all of it wasconstructed in the late (9EBAs or early (9)BAs. *e talked to one of the men who was oneof the contractors who "uilt it. It was "uilt on government orders right after the


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depression started. It was "uilt in si' levels. They covered the top over with earth. ItAsknown locally as 0the hill0. Its a huge "ase. There may still "e some use of it. +ost of itis shut down. The power has "een on for two years now, single phase EEB volt. Theelevator used ran on three-phase CCB volts, and that has not "een turned on, pro"a"ly"ecause they plugged all main openings and the elevator shaft with concrete.

ow many different species of aliens are you aware of@

*ell, the 6reys were not part of +ontauk. >y agreement they never went there. Therewere groups that were part of it, like a group who called themselves the 2everons. Therewere those there from !ntares that were only o"servers. They looked like humans. Therewere mem"ers of the 8rion group there occasionally. The 3-group had some connectionwith the place, "ut I personally never saw any of them there. 2astly, there were theinha"itants of that ship that was captured. The 8rion onfederation includes a lot ofgroups, including the 2everons.

The 8rion group is supposedly at war with a group called the lohim. *ould you saythat is accurate@

es. This is happening. The lohim group is a very old race, perhaps the oldest in theuniverse. !t least its the oldest we know of.

Is there any particular species that has the greatest control over humans@

The 8rion group. TheyAre the weasels in the "ackground that manipulate every"ody,including the 6reys. The 8rion group includes the various reptilian species.

*as the 7ero-time generator from alien sources@

o. Tesla created the 7ero-time generator in the (9EBAs. It provided a very "asic timereference which is actually locked to the center of our gala'y. ThatAs why they call it a7ero time generator. 2ocking equipment to that is the only way you can get some of thesehigher function generators to work.

The aliens use crystals quite a "it.

es. rystals can store and modulate enormous amounts of energy. There was a crystal inthe alien ship that ended up at +ontauk that was a"out (G inches long. 8ther factions of

the alien group appeared in one of the side tunnels off the main time tunnel and capturedseveral of us, and wouldnAt let us go unless one of us went "ack and got that crystal forthem. *e did. The pro"lem was is that we were in the time tunnel too long, "ecause thetime references the man I was with dissolved, and he "egan to age at the rate of a"out aday per hour. *ithin three days he was dead.

*hat are some of the ways the government "ecame involved in time travel@


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The avy had the a"ility to use the time travel technology from a"out (9?B anddeveloped full operational capa"ility in (9?). They did do an e'periment where they triedto go "ack and kill the father of the man destined to "e the head of the new 8ne-*orldgovernment. They did kill his father, "ut it made no difference. They didnAt understandwhy it didnAt work. &o"ert 2a7ar was voicing the concept that time is quantiti7ed or

compartmentali7ed and that you canAt change what has already happened in terms of thepast.

Is the avy tied in with the secret government@

5mall elements in the avy are, "ut the avy in general is not.

5o in the (9?BAs they were against what was going on and tried ways to stop it@

es. !t +ontauk we did succeed in changing the past, so I know it can "e done, "ut ittakes enormous amounts of power and more than %ust a time machine, "ut I wonAt get into

that.

5o the person who will "e the head of the 8ne *orld government is walking around andhas no father@

Theoretically that is true.

ow could this guy have come into e'istence@

ThatAs a very good question. ThatAs another one of the parado'es of time.

*as this person already in e'istence "efore they went "ack and killed his father@

es. They assumed that he would disappear and cease to e'ist.

1o you know who this individual is@

o. ot "y name.

Is the 8ne *orld government interested in longevity@ It seems like all these plans are ona long term "asis. It would also seem like it would take too long "efore those in controlcould really reap the "enefits.

*hen you get to the level of the warped mentality of the world leaders that are controlled"y the 8rion group, you donAt really know what their goals are. They are totallydependent on a specific technology, including time machines which are anchored in theCB years time rift plus the e'tensions in the time matri' which goes another EB years.Time machines are "ased in the technology that had its origin here within that timeperiod, and from what I understand as of EBB) they will suddenly find that their timemachines no longer function.


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*hy@

>ecause they were created on the "asis of something which was "asically artificial - therift in time. The function is "ased on the rift. Then its "ack to the drawing "oards.

ave they constructed any concrete plans "ased on the rift that might disappear when therift does@

I donAt know. I canAt speak for the whole government.

!re any 8rion "ased timeta"les involved in this@

*ell, the 8rions have their own ways of doing things.

*ould they "e dependent on this rift@

o, "ut the 6reys are somewhat dependent on it, having used it to get here in largenum"ers. The 8rion group itself is not here in a large num"er.

They let others do the dirty work for them@

es.

1o you get any particular feeling what things are like within the secret government withrespect to the groups of aliens@

*ell, they were panic stricken to get rid of the 6reys. I donAt know if theyAre that panic

stricken any more, "ecause I understand that the 8rions are essentially gone, e'cept forthe mop-up squad, which have their own life support systems.

The general life support for the others was destroyed "y another alien group in ovem"er(99B. They could not e'ist here without electronic support from the ring of satellites theyput up there ages ago. !lmost all of them packed up and left.

*hat is the nature of the electronic support@

They cannot stand the vi"rations of this planet. The 6reys like it "ecause this planet isvery much like their own home planet.

ow would all this relate to the idea that their is a planetoid coming into this system witha "unch of reptilians on it. *ould they "ring their own electronic life support systems@

es. They can replace the satellites. They may well "e "ack "efore long.

ow do you view that scenario, where the planetoid full of 8rion reptilians, or 1raco, iscoming here@


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*ell, we monitored the signals coming from the planetoid. They were coming in ataround EF+H with twelve carriers spaced FB37 apart. The 8rion group reptilianshave twelve chakras, may"e that has something to do with it.

Then this could "e the part of the electronic signal that might even "e representative of

their electronic life sustenance matri'@

es.

It might well "e necessary to set up transmitters of our own that would interfere with thatkind of electromagnetic emanation.

es.

ow a"out the 8rion genetics@

ItAs very similar to that of humans. :or a long time they were hoping to cross"reed. ItdidnAt work properly. That was one of the side issues of the +ontauk-$hoeni' pro%ect, tofind ways of cross"reeding. They never did fully solve the pro"lems.

5o this is where the concept of twelfth density would come in@

es. $ro"a"ly. *hat they were hoping to do if they succeeded in cross"reeding humansand 8rions was a silent invasion where they would take over humanity "y cross"reedingand eliminate the humans they didnAt want. !t that point, 8rion souls would move intothe cross"red "odies and it would "e complete. They would not need electronic supportsystems to survive here, which consists of (E satellites.

5o how does this affect the world government plans, now that the 8rion group istemporarily gone@

It changes the conte't of the system that "acked up the 8ne-*orld government. Theywere "acked up "y and e'pected support from the 8rion group. *ith the 8rions out ofthe picture, they are on their own.

ow a"out the 6reys@

TheyAre running around in circles. They are pro"a"ly continuing with the genetic work

and the a"ductions "ut they are lacking all direction e'cept that which they already hadesta"lished.

There was a recent a"duction of woman in 5eattle on 1ecem"er ), (99B where there were"eings that looked human. They told them, however, that they werenAt really human andallowed them to see their true form. It was a variant reptilian species they had never seen"efore. They asked the a"ductees questions a"out their e'periences with the 6reys. The


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woman got the impression that the reptilian humanoids thought that the 6reys were goingto far in their interactions with humans and that they were looking into it. !ny comment@

o data on that one.

*ell, since they were looking into 6rey e'cesses in "ehavior, they pro"a"ly were anoffshoot group and not anything to do with the 1raco.

They pro"a"ly were an offshoot group. I have gotten the impression that not all the 8riononfederation is evil. There is a group within the 8rion onfederation that function assort of overseers and they are apparently quite upset a"out what these 6reys are doing,"ut apparently there is not much they have "een a"le to do a"out it. The "asic heart of the8rion onfederation that we have "ecome familiar with is totally evil and self-centered.

They "asically want to take over the arth@

es. They want to take arth "ecause of their desire for the planet as a staging "ase. Theyalso desire the water and the minerals. There have only "een partial success of their cross"reeding program. ! few hy"rids have survived. They essentially look human "ut have8rion genetics within them.

*hatAs going on in *ashington right now@

They are up to their eye"alls in pro"lems. They consider the thing with ussein in the+iddle ast as the least of their concerns.

*hat are they concerned with@

They are concerned with !I15 and other, disease pro"lems which are coming to earthfrom space. There are currently two huge clouds of amoe"a-like creatures over the polarregions of the earth. These have shown up periodically over the last ten years. !5! isworking on this. very time theyAve "een detected, all kinds of strange illnesses "reakout. They donAt how they can stay alive and "e in outer space. TheyAre very concerneda"out that. The !I15 situation is so far advanced that it is considered to "e a disaster.

ow do you "ounce that against the fact that !I15 was created at :ort 1etrick,+aryland@ !re the aliens ultimately "ehind that as well@

I donAt know. ItAs very possi"le. It originated on the orders of the *orld ealth8rgani7ation. I suppose you have to go "ack and see who was responsi"le for thisdia"olical plan within *8 to create a virus that would destroy the human immunesystem. They found out that once it was released that it mutated like cra7y and there is noway to produce a vaccine for it. The government does have a way to cure it, "ut they dothat on a pretty selective "asis. The cure involves electromagnetics. There are also othermeans that have "een discovered, "ut the government doesnAt want the outside world tohave it. Its part of the population reduction program.


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*hich is whose idea@

!pparently it was a decision reached "y the secret government. The final decision wasmade in the *hite ouse in (9?E on the "asis of a meeting of world leaders under i'on.! friend of mine got the notes from that. eAs now in prison, and he talked a"out it

pu"licly in (9?C. e said that they had the meeting and agreed that the planet wasoverpopulated and that it had to "e reduced. The decision was to reduce the populationfrom F "illion, which it was at that time, to ( "illion "y the year EBBB. They were to useany and all means to do this. They "elieved that the earth could only handle ( "illioninha"itants. Their pro"lem was how to e'terminate GBL of the world population in )Byears. They modified the figure to "e E "illion "y EBBB, "ut the !I15 thing is going totake care of a good part of that for them. The latest figures coming out of *ashingtonindicate that !frica is now as good as doomed. In another ten years, ?FL of !frica will"e dead.

There have "een recent figures to suggest that 9EL of all "a"ies "orn in !frica today

have the virus.

es. in India, the rate is F(L.

It seems e'tremely irresponsi"le for a government to create something that can takepeople and do that to them.

*ell, it was the 0undesira"les0 that were given the virus first.

They should have known that this thing was going to get out of hand.

They didnAt know that was going to happen. It was also figured that it would affect theyoung set, those in their prime, most.

if they travel in time and know that geophysical changes will take care of a large part ofthe worldAs population, why would they "other to do it@ specially "ecause you have a"unch of FB year old men having to wait )B years.

I donAt know. 8"viously they didnAt think.

8r it wasnAt them who were ultimately responsi"le. The only ones who would have a longterm anything to gain would "e aliens, so it further indicates that ultimately there are

negative off-planet forces that are responsi"le. The aliens know a"out the changes.

ow did they spread the virus initially@

Through *orld ealth 8rgani7ation inoculations that were contaminated with the virus.The first program was in "lack !frica in (9?C with the smallpo' inoculations. They thenwent to >ra7il and other ispanic countries and did it there. In (9?G, they laced thegamma glo"ulin for the epititus > vaccine "ecause the homose'ual population was the


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greatest consumer. ThatAs why it showed up first in the 4nited 5tates in the homose'ualpopulation and why it was claimed to "e a homose'ual disease. othing could "e furtherfrom the truth, "ut it was something the vangelists took up quickly, saying that !I15was 06ods curse on the homose'ual0. $eople didnAt worry a"out it who werenAt gay. Thepeople who planned this didnAt figure on the a"ility of the virus to mutate.

It must taken someone with a really stupid mentality to do this.

*hat kind of distur"ances have appeared with each appearance of these amoe"a-likeclouds@

&espiratory distur"ances. ItAs "een detected in the ew ork area and on the west coast.1etails are scant, "ut they consider it a ma%or pro"lem. It affects the human systemdirectly. It is also the mechanism "ehind the influen7a attacks in (9( and (9(? thatkilled so many people.

It is possi"le that the o7one layer was deli"erately affected in order to allow this influenceto come through@

I donAt know. The greenhouse affect is taking hold "ecause of it.

Is there any particular alien species whom it would "enefit if the earth dried up and"ecame desert@

es. The reptilians species might "e good candidates.

*here do the 6reys come from originally@

:rom outside our timeMspace continuum. The government does not fully understandwhere that is, since they donAt trust a lot of their information a"out them.

1o the $leiadians use the gravity amplifier to fold time and space@

o. They have a hyperspacial drive system. They donAt do it in the same way. They usevelocity rather than folding.

!renAt they "eneficial to humans@

They have not "een invited to help. They are also sensitive to earth politics, galacticdirectives, and their own policies. It comes down to the fact where you donAt interferewhen youAre not asked. ven when you are asked, there are limits to what you can do.

an they "e asked@


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*ell, in the case where you would have interference on a mass "asis, like in response tothe 8rion incursion, youAre getting involved with the history of all humanity. *eAll haveto see.

I would think that the only hope would "e to collectively raise the consciousness of the

entire planet.

&ight. There are also other pro"lems. The government worked out a deal with the 6reyssome time ago and has some of their technology. *eapons have "een developed. Theynow have a missle that has a minimum operational range of I light year. *e can hit anyspacecraft well "eyond the solar system.

I saw a "rief on the news where the 5tar *ars technology is "eing turned around in spaceto hit down asteroids. *ill they in fact "e used primarily as a planetary defense againstalien incursion@

es. The directives out of *ashington seem to point to the fact that the secretgovernment wants no aliens here at all interfering with their plans. They have not solvedthe pro"lem with the 6reys.

ow do aliens refer to religious concepts@

!s far as I know, none of them have any religion as such. They acknowledge a divinesource in the universe. The 6reys refer to the universe as a mind.

*hat is your prognosis for the future of the human species@

It will survive.

*hy was it mentioned at one time that EB(( was the last year that they could seeanything tangi"le@

It was mentioned in the +ayan calendar that EB((-EB() was a "arrier of some kind.$sychics have said that there is a A"arrier around EB() that they canAt go through.

That doesnAt mean there is nothing "eyond that.

o. ItAs %ust "locked from view. ven to the time machines. There are a lot of people

wondering whether they are going to retain control over humanity "eyond EB().

There seems to "e a quickening of consciousness right now as we are "eginning to gointo fourth density.

&ight. There seems to "e some evidence of this.

1o you know where the current entrances to +ontauk are@


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o, "ut I know theyAre there. The last time two people went out there to look they werea"ducted. They were knocked out electronically and taken underground to anotherfacility where mental ad%ustments were made on them. They were returned to the spot,"ut one of them was not returned e'actly at the same time as the other. There was a"out aE second gap and the one that was already there saw it. They knew immediately that

something was wrong. They were given a warning. The underground system is still inoperation. There are three entrances near !I2. They have three plants in the :armingdalearea. >rookhaven ational 2a"oratories have an entrance to the system. There is also aconnection to the ewark ITT orporation "uilding. :rom there a spur that goes to theITT facility at utley. There is also a tunnel that goes from ewark to *right $atterson!:>.

1o they use +aglev trains in this tunnels@

es. There is a very e'tensive tunnel network under the 4nited 5tates. The interestingthings is that once you get past the coding system at the entrance elevators and get into

the underground, no"ody asks any questions. They assume you are supposed to "e there,unless you make it o"vious that you are not "y your actions or appearance.

*hy do humans age@

There are two genes missing from the human chromosome. 8ne of them controls theaging process, so humans age. >ecause of this, when cells are duplicated in the "ody theyare compared to the parent cell, not a master pattern that would e'ist in the genes, so theduplicate is not e'actly the same is time. 5o humans age gradually.

There has "een some discussion of the "iorhythm cycles of the planet. ould you e'plain

that again@

The cycles of humans are well known. It was not known until after (9G) after +ontaukwent down that the earth has cycles. It was discovered "y accident. !fter an analysis, itcame out that there were four "asic cycles involved. These four cycles reach theirma'imum peak every EB years. ItAs always on the (Eth of !ugust.

5o the ne't peak will "e in EBB)@

es.

1o the "iorhythm cycles of humans and those of the planet interlockA@

It is not known to interlock.

ave you seen the movie +illeneum@ *hat can you say a"out the concepts portrayedthere@


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es. It was well done. It was an attempt to e'plain some disappearances. ItAs an intriguingidea. 5trangely enough, they didnAt cover something that really happend in 1enver around(9F. ! %et was coming in on final approach in daylight with no "ad weather andvanished entirely from the radar screen. It was never found. o trace. ears later, inTucson, I met the son of a man who was vice president of 4nited !irlines. I asked him

a"out it. e said, 0how did you hear a"out that@0. I said I read it in the newspapers andthen it was hushed up. e said, .. you "etter "elieve it was0. I asked him if anyone knewwhat happened to it, and he said that they had no idea. There was no wreckage, nothing.There is no way it could have happened like that.- "ut it did. The ideas in +illenium weremore along the line of something they would have developed in the $hoeni' pro%ect.

!re there any tunnels under the $yramids@

There is a tunnel under 6i7a. o one knows when it was constructed or how.

ow a"out spacecraft or anything else like that@

!n e'pedition was mounted as a result of data gathered "ack in the (9EBAs and (9)BAsa"out a secret cham"er under the pyramid. They "uilt equipment in later years and wentin down into the pyramid and found this metal door FBB feet "elow the "ase of thepyramid. They found other doors. The doors used a sonic code. They found a room withover )B,BBB recording disks and alien equipment. They made photos of the disks with I&film. The gyptian government wouldnAt allow them to take any out. The disks weredeciphered. They descri"ed the rise and fall of civili7ations in outer space going "ackmore than (BB,BBB years. This group "uilt this record room and then "uilt the pyramidover it. There was no 4:8, "ut a lot of equipment was stored on three levels. Theyphotographed over E,?BB record disks. !ccording to an !ir :orce contact, these disks are

sitting in a safe at 3irtland !:> in ew +e'ico. They donAt want the pu"lic to know theinformation.

ow is the government involved in cattle mutilations@

uman scientists are involved with longevity studies using adrenalyn. They havedeveloped altered adrenlyn, and drugs called cordra7ine, cortropine', forma7ine, andhyronali'. !ll of them have an adrenalyn "ase. The only way to get the large quantititesof adrenalyn is to get them from cattle. 5ome of the su"stances they develop affectpsychic development. 8ther drugs have physical restoration properties. !liens use cattlefor the "iological materials as well. They use the materials in their "reeding program and

for the construction of cloned individuals.

1o you know when the :ederal &eserve is going to issue the new money@

I donAt know. There have "een several dates that have come and gone. *hen they do allthe current cash will "e worthless.


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The plan is to give a short notice date "y which people will have to turn in their oldmoney for new. 8f course, you will have to account for it, especially since it is nowillegal for you to have J),BBB or more on your person. ItAs coming.

*ould you consider the secret government the :ourth &eich@

ItAs hard to say. +y understanding of it is that the secret government is not connectedwith the a7is "ut with world "ankers, old money and whatAs called the 0"lack no"ility0.These were the "lue-"loods of urope. They actually did have "lue "lood, and it was nothemoglo"in "ased "ut copper "ased. They were semi-human. There are still to this day,some animal species in 5outh !merica that have copper "ased "lood systems. There wasa pro"lem with hemophilia, and not "ecause of intermarrying. The pro"lem was that theystarted to marry outside of the copper "ased "lood system. emoglo"in and coppersystems donAt mi'. ThatAs where the laws against marrying commoners originated.

*hat a"out these synthetic humans@

uman cloning was developed at the 4niversity of 4tah at 5alt 2ake ity in (9??. Theyfirst aired this on T/ as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on T/ thatthey were interviewing. It didnAt talk very well. They showed the original human and theclone. The clone was not all that successful. It took (C months to generate a fully adulthuman clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired,for o"vious reasons. I! sources have confirmed that it started at the 4niversity of 4tah.The government has a facility for clones. The first one was "uilt in the +ount ood area,a"out si'ty miles east of $ortland, 8regon. They have other facilities in other locations.2ocations must have sta"le geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or thecloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have

clones of all the ma%or government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it alsocreates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and killthe original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency.

There have "een allegations "y some that arter and &eagan were replaced.

es. IAve heard that, "ut I have no information that says that it happened. &eagan looked a"it funny after his assassination attempt, particularly after he came out of the hospital.

ItAs curious a"out the cloning facility in $ortland. *ere there not reports in the (9BAs or?BAs a"out people seeing a spitting image of itler there@

es. it is curious. There isnAt any connection that we can esta"lish, "ut anything ispossi"le. itler could have died as late as (9GC. I have heard rumors that he was the topdirector of the $hoeni' pro%ect, "ut those rumors were not considered to have any merit"y most people. ichmann was apparently involved at one point until the Israelis got him.! lot of top level a7i scientists were involved. There was a man called untermann whowas the associate director of the pro%ect. *e wondered if there was any"ody a"ove him.


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There was - a complete collection of pure a7is at the top. The 6ermans were alsoinvolved in work with the 6reys and cloning processes.

!re they a7is still running things@

IdonAt know what interconnections they may have today. I have two friends who sayopposite things. one says that the a7is are in charge and the other says that Dewishscientists are in charge. 8ther people say its +D-(E. Take your pick. I think that theyAreall involved.

ThatAs very interesting a"out the duality of the 6ermans and the Dews. &ecently, wereceived information that these two groups of entities are originally from one source outthere somewhere, and that they were "anned to this planet to work out their differences.They have apparently always sought to destroy each other ... and they are still doing it onmany levels. veryone else %ust has to stand "y and put up with it, I guess. it %ust adds tothe mess. 8rientation of "oth groups appears to "e negatively oriented toward service to

self instead of others. There have "een things recently said "y a"ductees that indicate thatthey were taken to %oint a7i-!lien "ases were they had swastikas on the walls. This waswithin the last two years.

1o you remem"er the &einhold-5chmidt story@ e was a "usinessman who lived in ewDersey in the (9FBAs. I finally got a copy of his "ook. e insisted that one time when hewas driving home from work, something went wrong with his car. e was approached "ysomeone and was taken a"oard a saucer. !ll the occupants were dressed in "lack clothingand talked in 6erman. To him it appeared like they might "e a7is. e wasnAt sure "ut hethought they were. They picked him up "y agreement several times thereafter. e "egantalking a"out it and he had a visit from government agents who told him to shut up. e

insisted. e was picked up and put into treatment in a mental hospital for a"out fourmonths. *hen he came out he was a changed man. e died sometime later. 4p until hewent into the mental hospital, he was insistent on his story. This was appro'imately (9F.IAm not sure. e was a prominent "usinessman. It was a sensational story at the time.

ItAs interesting that you should mention copper "ased "lood "efore. !renAt the ordicsinvolved with that@

es. !lthough ordics are humanoid and e'ternally almost identical to humans. Thereare su"tle differences in the ordic alien physiology, and most of them are "ased on theliving conditions that they have grown up in. Their planets are e'tremely hot and dry, and

have a low o'ygen content in the atmosphere. They have a larger lung capacity thanhumans and have a copper "ased "lood in order to carry o'ygen more efficiently. Theeyes are protected "y inner lids and can allow them to see into the ultraviolet range of thespectrum. They have only EG teeth, as they lack a "ack pair of molars. Their heads arelonger than humans. The "rain case is a"out .E mm thicker and the "one is harder. The"rain is the same as the human "rain as far as structure and si7e is concerned, e'cept forthe mid"rain area, where there are functions that allow telepathic and telekinetic skills. Ite'plains the psionic powers of the ordics. They average a"out E meters in height.


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:emales a"out (.? meters. They have no sweat glands. The skin allows moisture to "edrawn from the air as well as moisture to penetrate. The heart "eats at around ECE "eatsper minute, and the average "lood pressure is GB systolic and CB diastolic. They havee'tremely dilated "lood vessels. The heart is located where the human liver would "e.The cartilage that would protect a human heart e'tends down ).Fcm further in the ordic

in order to protect this structure. >lood cells are "iconve' in contrast to the concave cellsof humans. 3idney type functions only allow a"out half the liquid consumed to "ee'creted. The rest is evidently put "ack into the system. 4rine is thick with minerals andappears in color and te'ture to freshly pumped crude oil. :eces are dry pellets with allmoisture removed. The adult ordic can regulate the amount of adrenalyn in their "ody.They have no pineal gland. ordic females are capa"le of "eing impregnated at any time,"ut the males are capa"le of impregnation a"out once a year. The period of incu"ation isthree to five months.

*hat a"out the 5irians@

*ell, we are finding out that they are seemingly involved in the 1ark 5ide activities witha"ductees along with the 6reys and elements of the 45 military and intelligence forces.we are finding out that &eich programming is currently "eing used as of 1ecem"er (99Bon a"ductees. This is a direct outgrowth of work at +ontauk. The 5irians are usuallydescri"ed as a"out frac(E; feet tall, "lond hair cut very short, and "lue eyes that havea catAs eye vertical pupil. TheyAre negatively oriented. I have "een working on a casewhere this E( year old woman has had contact with them, the last time "eing in1ecem"er (99B. The "eings present were the short little helpers that the 6reys use; theones that wear hooded cloaks. There were 6rey clones, tall 6reys, 5irians and 45military personnel of some description. The woman had her "reasts and other "ody partshooked up to some machine that maintained her in a pre-orgastic state while they used

inculcation "ars with red and "lue lights to aid in the programming. *hen she doessomething they donAt like, they take her out of her "ody and stick her in this "lack "o',where there is terri"le loneliness and isolation. 5he really "roke down when she wasdescri"ing that, saying that she didnAt want them to put her "ack in the "o'. Theyevidently told her that if she talked too much they were going to do that. 8n the lighterside, she has also had contact with positive groups. There has "een some discussion as towhether these negative 5irians are part of the 3amagol II group that "uilt the recordscham"er under 6i7eh, "ut that has not "een esta"lished. The negative 5irians areconsidered part of the 8rion group that is playing the dominationMcontrol game.

Is there some significance to the red and "lue lights in the inculcation "ar@

The lights on the "ar are of special frequencies. $ulsing of these lights is often com"inedwith sonic patterns to virtually reprogram the mind of the individual. This kind of activityhas "een going on for tens of thousands of years. *hy do you think that the 8rion "asedgroups that control todays society use red and "lue on police car lights@ Its veryrestimulative and many people have "uried memories of programming sessions that haveoccurred through their various lives. The result is fear and negative emotional response. Itappears that during the last CB years there have "een a lot of people that have "een


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incarnating that were on one side or the other in a7i 6ermany, and we are finding a lotof a"ductees that have memories of the 6reys during that period. 5ometimes they findthat they are dealing with the same e'act "eings they dealt with in another lifetime. 8fcourse, we know that a"ductions also follow multi-generational patterns. It all tiestogether.

There have "een some that have said that itler was connected into things in terms of the!ryan race and TAs. *hat is the story "ehind that@

*ell, itler spend a lot of time in li"raries "efore his mother died, and he was convincedthat the white race was going to "e squee7ed out of e'istence in anothr ?F years. edecided that he was going to "e the defender of the !ryan race. This was "ack "efore*orld *ar 8ne. e was also relating this to the $rotocols of the 2earned lders of Hion,where in the ECth protocol it says that the white race will "e destroyed "y genetic inter-marriage. e wanted to stop the trend. e "ecame interested in metaphysics. The 1ark5ide involvement "egan after a "out with peyote "efore *orld *ar 8ne and his

involvement with the Thule 5ociety, which was connected to !leister rowley and the8rder of the 6olden 1awn in ngland. itler also adopted the idea of fighting thecommunists, "ecause the communists were %ust a"out ready to take over 6ermany. Therewere not 6reys around in large num"ers "ut they were there. The 6ermans were involvedwith alien technology. They had one version with electromagnetic drive. They had %etaircraft in (9C). They had nuclear weapons "ut itler did not use them. +ind controlresearch was ongoing.

6etting "ack to present day, what do you think a"out the idea that the 5audi governmentis "eing "ankrupted "y the 45@

*ell, the &ockefeller group sold the 5audis )B year notes "ack in the (9BAs. They arecoming due. The 5audis want to get out of the paperwork nightmare so they wonAt lose alltheir money. The &ockefeller "anks were going to declare "ankruptcy, so the 5audis saidthey would pull all their investments out of the 4nited 5tates and collapse the economytotally. The 4nited 5tates "acked down and that is the reason why there is all thatforgiveness of de"t "usiness going on. It was done with >u

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