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The official statement from both Dubois-Depraz and Invicta. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14,954 Real Name: "Diamond Jim" Skelton WatchGeeks Owner True WatchGeek OFFICIAL STATEMENT from Chris Becker & Eyal Lalo regarding Speedway issues __________________
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OFFICIAL STATEMENT from Chris Becker & Eyal Lalo regarding Speedway issues
The official statement from both Dubois-Depraz and Invicta.
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06-25-2010, 06:22 PM
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Thank you Jim for all your efforts. HOPEFULLY this will put this issue to bed.
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06-25-2010, 06:25 PM
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That should put this one to bed for good.
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06-25-2010, 06:25 PM
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Happy to see the official statement come out and hope that those who decided to keep these
pieces get them fixed to their satisfaction.
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06-25-2010, 06:25 PM
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Good Job Jim in your efforts.
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06-25-2010, 06:28 PM
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Makes a heck of a lot more sense.
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06-25-2010, 06:29 PM
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Thanks Jim. The last sentence seems to contradict Mr. Becker's previously posted e-mail
comments to WG members regarding business between Invicta and Dubois-Dupraz, but glad
to finally have the statement and clarification.
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06-25-2010, 06:32 PM
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06-25-2010, 06:33 PM
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Thanks Jim for the update. Now the speculating can stop and we can
move on to bigger and better things.
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06-25-2010, 06:36 PM
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06-25-2010, 06:36 PM
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Appreciate the follow-up to this matter and going above and beyond to get this matter
understood.
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06-25-2010, 06:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono
That should put this one to bed for good.
It's great to see that, Dave & Eyal got together to address this issue.
Nice picture and by the way...
I agree!
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06-25-2010, 06:40 PM
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Thanks for the update Jim. Glad to see an official response back on this. __________________
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06-25-2010, 06:40 PM
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Not exactly sure what issues this puts to bed, well maybe the genuine nature of the
movement, but the method of procurement and the mistakes that led to the assembly errors and the corrective measures to ensure no future mistakes like this were not mentioned. A bit
disappointing if you ask me, but then again they didn't have to respond at all.
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06-25-2010, 06:42 PM
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Not exactly what issues this puts to bed, well maybe the genuine nature of the movement,
but the method of procurement and the mistakes that led to the assembly errors and the
corrective measures to ensure no future mistakes like this were not mentioned. A bit
disappointing if you ask me, but then again they didn't have to respond at all.
You should probably re-read it then. Right there under section Number 1. __________________
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Your candor in the explanation reveals the nature of the relationship you have formed with your viewers.
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06-25-2010, 06:42 PM
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That should put this one to bed for good.
One would hope __________________
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06-25-2010, 06:42 PM
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Is this over now? Thanks for the post Jim!
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06-25-2010, 06:43 PM
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Re: official statement
Jim I would like to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into this problem.
You have gone beyound way bebound and for that many of the geeks includingmysekf are
very thankful. Again many thanks. Lastkey31
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06-25-2010, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jskelton You should probably re-read it then. Right there under section Number 1.
Actually sir, you should reread my post as that is the only issue I state was resolved
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06-25-2010, 06:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rgmb2 Not exactly what issues this puts to bed, well maybe the genuine nature of the movement, but the method of
procurement and the mistakes that led to the assembly errors and the corrective
measures to ensure no future mistakes like this were not mentioned. A bit
disappointing if you ask me, but then again they didn't have to respond at all. Quote:
Originally Posted by rgmb2
Actually sir, you should reread my post as that is the only issue I state was resolved
Method of procurement is at the end of Section Number 1.
Details of the errors were listed in part Number 3.
I hope this helps. __________________
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Originally Posted by charleswatts Your candor in the explanation reveals the nature of the relationship you have formed with
your viewers.
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06-25-2010, 06:52 PM
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I surrender. Not looking for a fight, just wanted a little more.
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06-25-2010, 06:52 PM
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06-25-2010, 06:53 PM
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I think this is very good news. We should see many new Invicta models with D-D
movements in them in the near future. __________________
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06-25-2010, 06:54 PM
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That should put this one to bed for good.
Is that Beds For Less or Rooms To Go, hoping we can get back to being a real family.
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06-25-2010, 06:56 PM
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Does this mean ALL watches should be returned for repair/adjustment? Mine is fine (for now).
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06-25-2010, 06:57 PM
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Good enough for me. Thanks Jim.
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06-25-2010, 07:06 PM
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Thanks Jim... Thank you Invicta!
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06-25-2010, 07:07 PM
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I will never doubt again. Thanks for the update and looking forward to new Invicta and DD
productions.
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06-25-2010, 07:09 PM
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06-25-2010, 07:10 PM
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Thanks Jim. I thought there wasn't going to be a response but since one is giving, it is about
what I expected. __________________
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06-25-2010, 07:10 PM
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Cool, Depending on how many D&D movements Invicta can sell, I wouldn't be surprised if
we see Chris Becker wearing a Invicta baseball hat sitting between Eyal and Jim on
watchtime.
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06-25-2010, 07:12 PM
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I own one of these watches and I have been very happy with it , I am also glad the
two companies came together and put all of these rumors to rest. Lets get back
to collecting
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06-25-2010, 07:13 PM
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That should put this one to bed for good.
Nice picture I work for this company.
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06-25-2010, 07:21 PM
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Great update that satisfies me as an Invicta Owner n likely purchaser of a future DD Invicta collabo!
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06-25-2010, 07:25 PM
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Why did Mr. Becker initially say he had no record of having done business with Invicta and
that they were not a business partner? That makes no sense given this statement...
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06-25-2010, 07:27 PM
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Why did Mr. Becker initially say he had no record of having done business with Invicta and
that they were not a business partner? That makes no sense given this statement...
They got them legitimately, probably not directly from D/D--how I read it. And yes, you can feel the attorneys' imput(s)--have a few friends who are lawyers.
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06-25-2010, 07:28 PM
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Glad it's over! Hopefully Shop will bring them back!
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06-25-2010, 07:29 PM
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Are the third parties referenced us geeks?
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06-25-2010, 08:18 PM
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I am unable to see the response???
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06-25-2010, 08:20 PM
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Thanks Jim ...... can't wait till I get mine back !!!
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06-25-2010, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by arcata1946
They got them legitimately, probably not directly from D/D--how I read it. And yes, you can feel the attorneys' imput(s)--have a few friends who are lawyers.
Which is why it took as long as it did for a official response to come. I had no dog in this
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06-25-2010, 08:31 PM
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Thanks Jim...although I did not purchase one of these watches, I am happy that the WG
members who did, can have piece of mind that their purchase was made with the genuine DD module. I'm sure Invicta will work diligently to repair the defective pieces.
Hopefully, moving forward, Invicta and DD can partner and work directly to have the use
and assembly of these type of movements/ watches share mutual oversight in mfg. to keep
this from happening again.
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06-25-2010, 08:41 PM
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Thank you Jim, Invicta, DD,and all involved in getting to this point. Maybe we can all go
back to having a little fun here. Damn, that was exhausting!
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06-25-2010, 10:20 PM
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I really appreciate this statement by both parties. Thank you. It clarifies what many of us
were concerned about . . .the authenticity of the DD movement and the basis for the associated problems, and the remedy for those that had/have these problems.
Just a mere suggestion--Maybe Invicta could specify what models may have dial placement
issues to put those purchasers on notice to keep checking their watches or which models
have potential caliberation problems with the applied hands.
But then again--I figure if your watch has problems you should already know by now?
I am not complaining but offering a clarification comment request, if my fellow Watch Geeks--think one would be nice/appropriate to have. I defer to their collective wisdom.
If not that is fine for me, as my watch is one I am happy with in my collection.
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06-25-2010, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by baker.bjs I think this is very good news. We should see many new Invicta models with D-D
movements in them in the near future.
maybe the projects they already have contracted but after that i wouldnt bet on it.even
though this situation only affected 800 people that bought the watches it has still brought
unwanted negativity upon a much respected movement manufacturer by invicta.i may be
wrong and hopefully i am but it would just make sense since there is probably watch companies standing in line to get these movements.
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06-25-2010, 10:28 PM
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Hope this answers any major important questions from timepiece owners.
Time for a new Chapter.
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06-25-2010, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief68
I own one of these watches and I have been very happy with it , I am also glad
the two companies came together and put all of these rumors to rest. Lets get
back to collecting
amen!
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06-25-2010, 10:42 PM
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Nice to see a response from the involved parties...
Thanks Jim.
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06-25-2010, 10:57 PM
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OMG What will all the conspiracy theorists do now?
Personally, I never had a doubt of the outcome or about the movement.
Thank you Jim!
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The on air claim that Invicta worked with DD to create this particular watch, is that
addressed ? I was always sure the movements were real, the claims seemed OK ...until DD
said they did not work with Invicta in creating this particular watch. It is a beautiful watch, I just want the marketing to be accurate. Is that asking too much ? I realize some people are
fine with all this, to me workiing with DD would really have created a watch with the
requisite washers and quality from the get go.
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06-25-2010, 11:48 PM
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Again Jim does his job and others. Eyal was four days late on his statement was suppose to
be Monday but that doesn't really matter. He got us an ansewer and published it to the
Geeks as he did promice AND THAT DOEA MATTER, HE KEPT HIS WORD. THANK YOU MR.
Eyal. 1)A CEO of a company keeping his word I feel is a big plus even if it was ONLY 3 days late
and that maynot have been his fault and his Att. may have said just publish this.
2) Explained the reason for the problem
3) Explained what is to done to correct the problem
Now if all this happens it should be a plus for Invicta on C/S for once. Problem solved and it
was not really thier fault. So a whole lot of B.S. and blame being thrown around and I'm sure thier still will be, and I'm not gonna say what but can see it comming just to stir up the
bee hive, when a probem has been solved by two different companies and we should now
just let this die. And guys like Jim and Mike are owed apologies by a lot of geeks, these are
two guys busting thier hump,and never ever telling known lies to any of us. I for one owe MR. Eyal one for saying he should have given us what he knew Mon. as he said
he would, but as I said in my thread maybe it was something he couldn't have said then or
now and finally got it all togehter today and I for Apologize to you Sir.
So it is now over and we can get on with watch talk at watchgeeks.
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Again, I surmise from all this (rhetoric) that, if our D-D is working fine, ...
... we don't need to fix it - is that correct?
_______________________________ ⌘ _______________________________ FWIW, I'm quite content to adhere to the adage, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" ... ... but I WOULD have appreciated a more definitive statement than, ... "The problems appear to have been caused on certain models where the dial placement over the movement was too low. Also, we found some models not having
proper hand tolerances" ... blah blah blah ...
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Specifically, can these conditions exist w/o the watch displaying ANY malfunctions?
... IMHO, this matter will NOT really 'n truly be 'Put To Bed' UNTIL THIS ISSUE is actually addressed!
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Sooooo... OK, I guess retail can be lots of fun.... Thankyou Eyal, Mike and Jim. This seems
like a thread where a guy could get some answers....1. Will the next DD be in a speedway
and offer a black dial? 2. Who was on the grassy knoll? 3. Why does Hoffa take so long to
return my calls? 4. Anyone want to sell me a SS DD?
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Yesterday, 04:07 AM
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I find it interesting that the dial is not made by Invicta. Sounds like Invicta is very much like
Dell. They buy the products separately and just put them together. That definitely explains
all the issues that Invicta is having. Great eye opener thread.
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"The movements were obtained legitimately"...does that mean they were bought from DD or
ebay?
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#57
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Thank You Jim and Invicta for clearing this issue up.
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Thanks Jim. Now can we please find something to fret about? I still love my Speedway and
plan to buy another as soon as they are offered again.
Jim, you have great patience.
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#59
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Originally Posted by rgmb2 Not exactly what issues this puts to bed, well maybe the genuine nature of the movement,
but the method of procurement and the mistakes that led to the assembly errors and the
corrective measures to ensure no future mistakes like this were not mentioned. A bit
disappointing if you ask me, but then again they didn't have to respond at all.
I agree 110%. Folks seem pleased that a response has been posted, but says very little &
answers nothing.
Where were the mvmt's bought?
Why is DD not repairing them?
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Mine has been in for repair sence 05-24-2010. All we get is a pass on the $25.00 service charge. We will see the real outcome when the repaired watchs return. If you did not buy
into the game "you have no claim."
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Originally Posted by bengals I find it interesting that the dial is not made by Invicta. Sounds like Invicta is very much
like Dell. They buy the products separately and just put them together. That definitely
explains all the issues that Invicta is having. Great eye opener thread.
Watch components are made by various suppliers. This is the case with all watch brands.
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I just have a couple things to say about this whole deal, and that's all.
First, I'm glad that the movements have been deemed original D.D. Movements. However, by releasing in my opinion, a typical Lawyer written response, putting the blame
on an unnamed dial manufacturer,
and not addressing all the other questions regarding this thing from the beginning, they left
this open to speculation, and the conspiracy theories, that will forever be attached to this matter.
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Thanks for sharing this letter with us all Jim now hopefully this issue can be put to rest and
all the speedway owners will get there watches repaired Thank You. __________________
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Good to hear a statement that the two companies in question agreed upon. For those that
this doesn't fully satisfy what can be said. These are two privately owned companies that quite honestly don't have to reveal their full business practices. The problem is being
corrected and realistically that is all we are really entitled to know. You got a glimpse into
companies like Invicta's dealings with sourcing their materials. DD is not fixing the watches
because there is no problem with the movement. The statement says the two companies
would like to work together again in the future. That should be a signal that nothing under handed went down. Time to move on.
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While I have issues with the statement, I'm not affected by the DD debacle so I'll keep quiet.
I hope this is a wake up call to Invicta - they make beautiful watches but they must tend to
their customer service and manufacturing issues better in the future.
It isn't easy to regain the trust of your customers once you've lost it.
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For those who bought the watch . . . it's great to read that you have a "real" D-D movement
module in your watch. Hopefully it will be fixed and on your wrist very soon. Honestly . . . as
a watch enthusiast . . . I wish upon you many, many wonderful timepieces. I have owned several D-D powered watches and have never had (nor read about) an issue with these fine
movements until this one.
I don't think any of us questioned the quality of the D-D modules . . . I surely didn't. D-D
appears to be a well-respected and quality organization and it would be quite disturbing to
read that they had any part of this "issue".
The many posts about "discussions" between Eyal and D-D still don't add up for me. I guess
I missed something, but with all the posts available across the internet, I think I've had a
chance to read them all.
Will there be a statement clarifying the discrepancies between what was been written here
concerning future D-D collaborations, Eyal's ongoing involvement with D-D (apparently D-D
states that there isn't one), or even why it took so long to produce this statement deflecting
any responsibility? It would be a shame in this "atmosphere of transparency and honesty"
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i good response in my opinion, kind of throwing blame elsewhere, but as long as teh watches
get fixed and people can be assured they are genuine, this should put an end to all teh
questions. thanks jim for relaying the info. __________________
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I just saw your title and I thought........WHAT? I didn't have anything to do with this.
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This was a statement clearly written by DD and jointly signed by them and Eyal.
I would venture to guess that Invicta had no choice but to sign almost whatever DD put in front of them or risk legal ramifications for some of the things they said when selling that
watch. I would also think that whatever party Invicta bought the modules from also put
pressure on Invicta to play ball and sign whatever was put in front of them or risk never
doing business with them and that they could also be penalized and never get another DD module from DD.
This statement does answer some questions but leaves many more unanswered and most
likely never publicly answered questions. Live with it or complain about it but this statement is what it is and thats that.
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Watch Crazy: only certain models were assembled poorly...you got a good one so relax and
enjoy the next 5 years (after that who knows)
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Although I had hoped for more, that's all we're gonna get.
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Say "Good Night"
I love my DD Speedway and feel lucky to have one.
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I might have missed the following...
do all the DD Speedways need the washer installed? or, some had it installed from the get
go, and only the ones that have the problem should get the washer? what happens if you are
not a member of this forum and have not heard about this issue? will invicta send a letter to all the customers that purchased this item explaining the issue?
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Well I'm glad this is over or is it?
I have my replacement No. 640/800 & it works perfectly & one of my favorites watches.
Iimo still some questionable issues left unanswered, but what can you do?
All I ask for is proper info on item being sold & all will be good in my book. __________________
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Invicta is the MANUFACTURER not the SELLER.
As a Reserve piece with no registration, they have no idea WHO purchased this watch.
Quote:
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I might have missed the following...
do all the DD Speedways need the washer installed? or, some had it installed from the get
go, and only the ones that have the problem should get the washer? what happens if you
are not a member of this forum and have not heard about this issue? will invicta send a letter to all the customers that purchased this item explaining the issue?
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#77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousgeorge
Good to hear a statement that the two companies in question agreed upon. For those that
this doesn't fully satisfy what can be said. These are two privately owned companies that quite honestly don't have to reveal their full business practices. The problem is being
corrected and realistically that is all we are really entitled to know. You got a glimpse into
companies like Invicta's dealings with sourcing their materials. DD is not fixing the watches
because there is no problem with the movement. The statement says the two companies would like to work together again in the future. That should be a signal that nothing under
handed went down. Time to move on.
That seems like a very reasonable summary of the matter, George. In as much as some
would like to pull Invicta and DD into a room for an 8 hour deposition to ask every single
possible question one could think, it ain't gonna happen and this is what we are left with.
Invicta customers and enthusiasts are thus left with two options. One, taking the statement at face value and moving on. The other would be to remain skeptical, violated, disappointed,
unsatisfied, and bitter. Fine, there is always the option of taking your business elsewhere.
Two things we know...first, that the two companies are satisfied with their joint statement
and there does not appear to be any pending legal action. Second, the customer knows that
their DD movement is authentic and that if there were an issue, it will be taken care of.
Folks, these are beautiful timepieces and while this has been a big fiasco, it is time to move
on. Maybe this is a good thing and that is Invicta will more closely examine their QC
department and have been put on notice that they can't afford these controversies in the future. For everyone who purchased one of the DD Speedways, I wish you years of
enjoyment!
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What you read is all that you're going to get. If it is sufficient for you, then perfect. If it is
not, oh well. It is what it is and that is all that there is.
I sent mine back early on and I'm comfortable with that.
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What you read is all that you're going to get. If it is sufficient for you, then perfect. If it is
not, oh well. It is what it is and that is all that there is.
I sent mine back early on and I'm comfortable with that.
For credit or to be repaired?
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So how can a reputable Swiss company like DD have Invicta purchase there movements buy
dials and hands from who knows where put it all together and stamp Swiss Made on the dial
and have all of these problems. Where's the QC from either company. This watch has become the joke of the industry. My faith in Invicta has been washed down the drain.Maybe
instead of Swiss made it should say Made in Panama......
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Finally......Closure! Glad to hear they will be taken care of. Maybe everyone can get off the negative and onto some positive now.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bengals
I might have missed the following...
do all the DD Speedways need the washer installed? or, some had it installed from the get
go, and only the ones that have the problem should get the washer? what happens if you
are not a member of this forum and have not heard about this issue? will invicta send a letter to all the customers that purchased this item explaining the issue?
Ditto. __________________
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nycruza Invicta is the MANUFACTURER not the SELLER.
As a Reserve piece with no registration, they have no idea WHO purchased this watch.
As far as I know ShopNBC knows everyone who purchased this watch since it was the only
vendor selling it up to this point. ShopNBC should mail or e-mail a letter to all customers
drafted by Invicta to what has transpired, and what needs to be done to get their watch repaired (if needed) or a refund.
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Quote:
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As far as I know ShopNBC knows who purchased this watch since it was the only vendor selling it up to this point. ShopNBC should mail a letter to all customers drafted by Invicta
to what has transpired, and what needs to be done to get their watch repaired or a refund.
That's what should happen, but won't. They're living by the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it!"
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Im glad some type of statement was made...but i knew every word in it was going to be analyzed.......My take on it is the issue is resolved.
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Yesterday, 08:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by watchdude1 That seems like a very reasonable summary of the matter, George. In as much as some
would like to pull Invicta and DD into a room for an 8 hour deposition to ask every single
possible question one could think, it ain't gonna happen and this is what we are left with.
Invicta customers and enthusiasts are thus left with two options. One, taking the statement at face value and moving on. The other would be to remain skeptical, violated,
disappointed, unsatisfied, and bitter. Fine, there is always the option of taking your
business elsewhere. Two things we know...first, that the two companies are satisfied with
their joint statement and there does not appear to be any pending legal action. Second,
the customer knows that their DD movement is authentic and that if there were an issue, it will be taken care of.
Folks, these are beautiful timepieces and while this has been a big fiasco, it is time to
move on. Maybe this is a good thing and that is Invicta will more closely examine their QC department and have been put on notice that they can't afford these controversies in the
future. For everyone who purchased one of the DD Speedways, I wish you years of
enjoyment!
Well said as always Matt.I have moved on and the only ones that should be concerned about
the Speedway is the owners of these watches.We arent getting any more answers and quite
frankly this should be enough.
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Finally some closure, I guess I would have been a little worried about mine too,
but I never pulled the trigger on this one when I should of. I hope everyone is
happy now, that this chapter is finally put to rest.
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Gave mine away. It's over.
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Chris Becker is a joke here....he has know clue what he said earlier than changing his
statement and coming out with a joint statement. He must be sleeping just wondering how
come he is the US sales/business in charge. What a joke !
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I personally never really thought that the authenticity of the movements was the primary
issue.
It is just my humble opinion, but, when Eyal devotes so much emphasis during the on air
presentations of the extent to which Invicta had worked so closely with DD in the
development of this watch .... IF that was the case then it would not seem like such a major
design error would have made it into production.
AND then, when problems arose, Eyal again empasized how closely Invicta was working with
DD to resolve the problems .....
AND THEN two weeks later the owners of DD state formally that up until that date they had
never even heard from Invicta ..... I think this really is a factual discrepancy of sufficient
significance that it should have been addressed in the statement.
In order to address the credibility of his remarks, some clarification over the timeline of DD
working with Invicta relative to the statements made by Eyal, both on air and to this forum,
should have been included in the statement. Perhaps a follow-up addendum just from Eyal to
this forum on that point might be in order.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyguy Chris Becker is a joke here....he has know clue what he said earlier than changing his
statement and coming out with a joint statement. He must be sleeping just wondering how
come he is the US sales/business in charge. What a joke !
He didn't "change" his statement ... and the statement that he originally released was after
multiple consultations on the manner directly with the ownders of DD. I don't see how you
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very well said....
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchYaThink
I personally never really thought that the authenticity of the movements was the primary
issue.
It is just my humble opinion, but, when Eyal devotes so much emphasis during the on air
presentations of the extent to which Invicta had worked so closely with DD in the
development of this watch .... IF that was the case then it would not seem like such a major design error would have made it into production.
AND then, when problems arose, Eyal again empasized how closely Invicta was working
with DD to resolve the problems .....
AND THEN two weeks later the owners of DD state formally that up until that date they had
never even heard from Invicta ..... I think this really is a factual discrepancy of sufficient
significance that it should have been addressed in the statement.
In order to address the credibility of his remarks, some clarification over the timeline of DD
working with Invicta relative to the statements made by Eyal, both on air and to this
forum, should have been included in the statement. Perhaps a follow-up addendum just
from Eyal to this forum on that point might be in order.
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Originally Posted by rhickey Watch Crazy: only certain models were assembled poorly...you got a good one so relax and
enjoy the next 5 years (after that who knows)
Where did you get this information from? I never heard or read this.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timeman
As far as I know ShopNBC knows everyone who purchased this watch since it was the only vendor selling it up to this point. ShopNBC should mail or e-mail a letter to all customers
drafted by Invicta to what has transpired, and what needs to be done to get their watch
repaired (if needed) or a refund.
The original statement was, Will Invicta be Notifying the Purchasers! There was No Mention of SNBC! Was there?
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Where did you get this information from? I never heard or read this.
Paragraph 3.
States "some".
This does not mean those of us that purchased the watch could not return it to Invicta for a
"checkup" or at least "peace of mind".
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As far as I know ShopNBC knows everyone who purchased this watch since it was the only
vendor selling it up to this point. ShopNBC should mail or e-mail a letter to all customers
drafted by Invicta to what has transpired, and what needs to be done to get their watch
repaired (if needed) or a refund.
I agree. Shop SHOULD but Shop WON'T.
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I own one of these watches and I have been very happy with it , I am also glad
the two companies came together and put all of these rumors to rest. Lets get
back to collecting
Dig that sir.
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At the risk of plagiarism, THANK YOU George & Matt for stating my exact sentiments!!
I am VERY thankful that Christopher & Eyal got together to end the confusion.
Speculation & ill feelings did a hatchet job on the good faith, and good spirit that otherwise
fills this forum.
I'm VERY thankful that Jim has posted this notice here, so we can go back to being civil with
one another.
This is not a place for speculation and confusion.
Rather it is a place to uplift each other and share our dreams, and perhaps our troubles
(from time to time).
I count this item as a thing of the past.
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Unfinished business for me is--having returned mine for an exchange, which did not go through due to the recall how will my exchange finally be made good. The onus for this is on
SNBC not me. Radio silence so far on this question.
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I am a little dismayed by all the people who say that this statement finally puts everything into the past.
Please see my previous post about Eyal statements, and timeline with D-D.
And, still, in addition to that, in thinking about this further, why is this statement not released on the letterhead of either Invicta or DD. That seems strange?
And, do you notice that there is no date anywhere on the statement?
And it seems to me, that when they say: "Neither the dials nor the hands were
manufactured by Invicta or by Dubois-Debraz"
They are really just scapegoating all the blame for all the problems onto some unamed third party. That just doesn't fly very well with me.
If DD was working so closely with Invicta on the design, did they sign off
on the dials and hands for use with their movement?
What about QC? Shouldn't the ultimate testing and release of the design have been the
responsibility of Invicta QC regardless of who made the dials and hands? This is
fingerpointing at an annonymous entity to avoid responsibility.
And, when they state that: "neither party can be responsible for comments made by third
parties"
Who are they talking about? Might this have been Eyals lawyers making sure that he was insulated from remarks about the D-D movements having "slop in the gears" ?? Or, are they
talking just in general about the WatchGeeks forum? That was very vague.
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The original statement was, Will Invicta be Notifying the Purchasers! There was No Mention of SNBC! Was there?
That's why I added it. What's the big deal (problem) with that?
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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink I am a little dismayed by all the people who say that this statement finally puts everything
into the past.
Please see my previous post about Eyal statements, and timeline with D-D.
And, still, in addition to that, in thinking about this further, why is this statement not
released on the letterhead of either Invicta or DD. That seems strange?
And, do you notice that there is no date anywhere on the statement?
And it seems to me, that when they say: "Neither the dials nor the hands were
manufactured by Invicta or by Dubois-Debraz"
They are really just scapegoating all the blame for all the problems onto some unamed
third party. That just doesn't fly very well with me.
If DD was working so closely with Invicta on the design, did they sign off
on the dials and hands for use with their movement?
What about QC? Shouldn't the ultimate testing and release of the design have been the
responsibility of Invicta QC regardless of who made the dials and hands? This is
fingerpointing at an annonymous entity to avoid responsibility.
And, when they state that: "neither party can be responsible for comments made by
third parties"
Who are they talking about? Might this have been Eyals lawyers making sure that he was insulated from remarks about the D-D movements having "slop in the gears" ??
Or, are they talking just in general about the WatchGeeks forum? That was very vague.
Well, anyway, I'm glad that so many are satisfied and think that everything is over now.
you hit the nail on the head.. seems many here follow in blind faith and believe everything
they are told.. to each his own i won't be lied to again..
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Are you serious? DD sold the movements to Invicta. Invicta selects the hands from whatever source they choose to be placed on them. DD isn't a design house, they make, modify, and
sell movements. Once Invicta procures the movements they are theirs to place in a watch.
Invicta is taking ownership of the QC for they are repairing the problem. As for the
letterhead, yeah the letter was faked and put on here just to quiet people. The Ceo of Invicta and the US rep of DD have created a clever ruse to fool everyone. Pass the tin-foil I need to
make a hat. Yeah there are a lot of questions people would like answered, but we have got
the answer were getting. Accept it or don't but a signed letter by two head honchos means
game over.
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Larry you bring up some good points on issues that have been left for us or I should say
some of us to wonder.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchYaThink
I personally never really thought that the authenticity of the movements was the primary
issue.
It is just my humble opinion, but, when Eyal devotes so much emphasis during the on air
presentations of the extent to which Invicta had worked so closely with DD in the
development of this watch .... IF that was the case then it would not seem like such a
major design error would have made it into production.
AND then, when problems arose, Eyal again empasized how closely Invicta was working
with DD to resolve the problems .....
AND THEN two weeks later the owners of DD state formally that up until that date they had
never even heard from Invicta ..... I think this really is a factual discrepancy of sufficient
significance that it should have been addressed in the statement.
In order to address the credibility of his remarks, some clarification over the timeline of DD working with Invicta relative to the statements made by Eyal, both on air and to this
forum, should have been included in the statement. Perhaps a follow-up addendum just
from Eyal to this forum on that point might be in order.
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Yesterday, 01:13 PM
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Are you serious? DD sold the movements to Invicta. Invicta selects the hands from
whatever source they choose to be placed on them. DD isn't a design house, they make, modify, and sell movements. Once Invicta procures the movements they are theirs to place
in a watch. Invicta is taking ownership of the QC for they are repairing the problem. As for
the letterhead, yeah the letter was faked and put on here just to quiet people. The Ceo of
Invicta and the US rep of DD have created a clever ruse to fool everyone. Pass the tin-foil I
need to make a hat. Yeah there are a lot of questions people would like answered, but we have got the answer were getting. Accept it or don't but a signed letter by two head
honchos means game over.
Well said...
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Yesterday, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousgeorge Are you serious? DD sold the movements to Invicta. Invicta selects the hands from
whatever source they choose to be placed on them. DD isn't a design house, they make,
modify, and sell movements. Once Invicta procures the movements they are theirs to place
in a watch. Invicta is taking ownership of the QC for they are repairing the problem. As for the letterhead, yeah the letter was faked and put on here just to quiet people. The Ceo of
Invicta and the US rep of DD have created a clever ruse to fool everyone. Pass the tin-foil I
need to make a hat. Yeah there are a lot of questions people would like answered, but we
have got the answer were getting. Accept it or don't but a signed letter by two head
honchos means game over.
"DD sold the movements to Invicta."
Where did you get that information?
"DD isn't a design house"
Then why was such a point made of how closely Invicta worked with DD in the design and
development of this watch?
Invicta is taking ownership of the QC
No, Ivicta did NOT take ownership of the QC failure that led to the production problems ... they pointed the finger at the makers of the dials and hands.
As for the letterhead, it's no big deal really, just seems strange that a formal public
statement like this is not on a letterhead of one of the companies ..... and, it has no date anywhere ... that's all. No need for any tinfoil.
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First off Congrats to all who got what they paid for. Enjoy them. What am I missing here. The statement says they were obtained legitimately. Well I never thought Invcta stole them.
WHat they didn't say was these came direct from DD. But what Eyal is missing is this
happened on the heels of the Swiss / Swiss Made debacle. IMO once again we were misled
during presentations, Eyal was very clear that he had worked closely with DD on this. Once again not the truth. I'm not sure I can trust Invicta and most likely will not buy anything
soon. Very dissapointed with this response. Lots of smoke and mirror. Just continues to
leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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I think it is clear that DD had no idea that Invicta used their movements in the Speedway.
Otherwise, Invicta would have mentioned that all over the letter...on the back too! But is that an issue? Personally, I don't remember Eyal saying that they purchased the movements
from DD.
On the other hand, I think Invicta worked closely with the dial manufacturer, and based on the outcome, they didn't work close enough. Looks like they were few millimeters apart. Is
Peter still working there?
The bottom line here is that Invicta put out a bad product at $1000. In my opinion, a recall
should be made, and not a silent recall. At a minimum, send a letter to all Speedway customers to inform them of the issue(s) and give them the opportunity to return it or have
it fixed.
If the washer is missing on all the watches, sooner or later, the problem will show up. Most people do not use the chrono function and they should be OFFICIALLY made aware of what
could/will happen.
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Seems simple enough, are there any more questions?
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Seems simple enough, are there any more questions?
Mark, what seems simple enough?
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Yesterday, 02:41 PM
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DD modifies movements for purchase by companies, they don't choose the hand or dials that they are placed in. I guess you can infer from the statement that says the two companies
would like to work together again in the future as a implication that they were supplied to
them by DD legitimately. Are there unanswered questions>yes. But we really are not owed
the inner workings of two private companies. Sorry about the comment about the tin foil that was uncalled for. I guess it is everyones choice to decide to buy from Invicta in the future. If
this issue sits wrong then you know which way you should go. For many others this
explanation is good enough, or better put what we will be getting.
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Yesterday, 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousgeorge DD modifies movements for purchase by companies, they don't choose the hand or dials
that they are placed in. I guess you can infer from the statement that says the two
companies would like to work together again in the future as a implication that they were
supplied to them by DD legitimately. Are there unanswered questions>yes. But we really are not owed the inner workings of two private companies. Sorry about the comment about
the tin foil that was uncalled for. I guess it is everyones choice to decide to buy from
Invicta in the future. If this issue sits wrong then you know which way you should go. For
many others this explanation is good enough, or better put what we will be getting.
>>
"work together AGAIN in the future"
<<
Where exactly in the letter does it say that they've worked together in the past, or on the
Speedway project?
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The last sentence of the letter states they are committed to working together in the future
on projects already planned. You can read it it the way it is written or the way you want to interpret it. If DD wanted nothing to do with Invicta this letter would've never came out.
They would have no reason to have to defend their movements if they were not obtained
through some proper channels. As a matter of fact if they wanted to could blast Invicta for
using their name on movements obtained improperly. Nothing that will be brought up is going to be answered the way people would like it. Decide for yourself if this is good enough
for you. But this is all that's going to be answered.
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Yesterday, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge The last sentence of the letter states they are committed to working together in the future
on projects already planned. You can read it it the way it is written or the way you want to
interpret it. If DD wanted nothing to do with Invicta this letter would've never came out.
They would have no reason to have to defend their movements if they were not obtained through some proper channels. As a matter of fact if they wanted to could blast Invicta for
using their name on movements obtained improperly. Nothing that will be brought up is
going to be answered the way people would like it. Decide for yourself if this is good
enough for you. But this is all that's going to be answered.
As far as I have been told you are correct. If anyone has further questions they should ask
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Jim and all the folks that were working the day and time of the DD airing heard Eyal say
Invicta and DD worked together on THIS project. Do they have any comments on how so
many watches had issues if everyone was working together to make a great team project
watch ? DD would have a lot of technical info on dial setting location I would think. Why was it not
used ? Were they not involved with this watch as some kind of advisor ?
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Yesterday, 03:07 PM
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ok guys, let me translate the letter for all of ya:
>>
1. Invicta did not steal the movements and they are original DD movements. 2. The movement and the DD module are ok.
3. Invicta made a mistake and thinks that raising the dial will fix the problem. DD had
nothing to do with this mistake but would love to sell washers to Invicta.
Invicta is sorry for the confusion.
DD would love Invicta business in the future.
<<
hmm, Invicta is sorry by the "confusion" created, but no mention of being sorry for the bad
product sold...
the letter doesn't really apologize to the customers, and, imo, an apology should have been
mentioned in the first paragraph.
it kind of reminds me of Michael's first reaction to this issue, to paraphrase: I don't really know much, I'm just trying to sell an item here, do you mind?
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Yesterday, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchYaThink I personally never really thought that the authenticity of the movements was the primary
issue.
It is just my humble opinion, but, when Eyal devotes so much emphasis during the on air presentations of the extent to which Invicta had worked so closely with DD in the
development of this watch .... IF that was the case then it would not seem like such a
major design error would have made it into production.
AND then, when problems arose, Eyal again empasized how closely Invicta was working
with DD to resolve the problems .....
AND THEN two weeks later the owners of DD state formally that up until that date they had never even heard from Invicta ..... I think this really is a factual discrepancy of sufficient
significance that it should have been addressed in the statement.
In order to address the credibility of his remarks, some clarification over the timeline of DD
working with Invicta relative to the statements made by Eyal, both on air and to this forum, should have been included in the statement. Perhaps a follow-up addendum just
from Eyal to this forum on that point might be in order.
You bring up some excellent points. The "statement" is really meaningless, in my opinion. It
essentially said, the movements are genuine (which I think most folks already accepted early
on - a few didn't, but that's OK), and that neither Invicta nor DD is to blame for any faulty
manufacture. Ok. I didn't quite expect either of these guys to "mea culpa" here as to accept responsibility in that way opens up another can of proverbial worms in a legal sense. But, a
lot was said by several parties involved that was not addressed here. That's OK, I guess. In
the end the damage has already been done.
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Yesterday, 03:18 PM
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I don't have a horse in this race, but i'm really glad to see a resolution of oh so many sub-issues.
Thanks Jim for being (as ever) proactive and for posting this.
glad to see you back on the shop.
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#124
Yesterday, 05:09 PM
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I didn't purchase one of these watches so I've been dealing with "other issues"...
I had hoped that this would be enough for those affected.
I can see where questions remain and I'm sorry for those geeks that are now in the Integrity
Limbo that I remain in also...
Bottom line is... I love Invicta watches. I've had some bad experiences with them, but for
the most part, things have been fine and I dig 'em.
So... I feel for those that are still wondering what they will do re: buying from Invicta ever
again...
Also...
SNBC did step up with the Invicta problem with the mold in the SAIII Kits. I received a letter outlining the issue and what to do to fix it. My kit was fine, but it was nice to receive that
letter from SNBC.
So, let's give SNBC some credit that they just DID send out a letter to customers last
time. This makes it more likely that they will do so again...
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Yesterday, 05:26 PM
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Personally I think the whole thing is tragic!
You have Invicta, who make some really fantastic watches but is now the laughing stock of
the watch world. This is just more ammunition for a Swiss watch industry that doesn't like
them.
You have DD, the famed watch house the just got a big black eye by being associated with
Invicta and not knowing where there product ends up.
Then there are the customer that bought the watches. These should be real collectors items
bought at a great price and (IMHO) wont be worth anything because of this mess. Not to
mention the pending service issues.
The whole thing is sad for what should have been a wonderful watch.
That's Just My Humble Opinion
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Wow, would we all be happy if Invicta just put out a statment saying that they were just out to screw us???
People would STILL think something was strange.
I don't think they set out to screw us or NE1.
Can't we all just see that it was poor QC and accept it and MOVE ON!
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Yesterday, 05:53 PM
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Well thank goodness, finally a response. It took a little longer than I would have hoped but
better late than never I think this reply wraps things up nicely
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#128
Yesterday, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
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Wow, would we all be happy if Invicta just put out a statment saying that they were just
out to screw us???
People would STILL think something was strange.
I don't think they set out to screw us or NE1.
Can't we all just see that it was poor QC and accept it and MOVE ON!
Not on the heels of the Swiss / Swiss Made mess. Nope it is just another example of Invicta
sayng whatever it takes to move product. Their credibility is shot right now. IMO
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Yesterday, 06:51 PM
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This makes me sick to my stomach.
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Originally Posted by Russell3 Personally I think the whole thing is tragic!
You have Invicta, who make some really fantastic watches but is now the laughing stock of
the watch world. This is just more ammunition for a Swiss watch industry that doesn't like them.
You have DD, the famed watch house the just got a big black eye by being associated with
Invicta and not knowing where there product ends up.
Then there are the customer that bought the watches. These should be real collectors
items bought at a great price and (IMHO) wont be worth anything because of this mess.
Not to mention the pending service issues.
The whole thing is sad for what should have been a wonderful watch.
That's Just My Humble Opinion
I have to agree that these watches will be worthless as they are Invicta's largest mistakes
that won't be forgotten. It's really a shame Invicta didn't make this watch without problems.
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I would have to say the laughing stock are those that tried to make this more then it was
(unsubstantiated rumors, theories, speculation, etc.).
Having had the watch appraised early on (that's why I was POSTIVE of it authenticity) at/by
reliable and highly qualified dealers, I can assure you no one in the REAL WORLD is laughing
at Invicta or THIS particular product (except BLOGGERS).
What service issues! It was stated long ago that if there is a problem OR you THINK there is
a problem, contact Rebecca and send it in OR return to SNBC for refund (and they (SNBC)
also refunded the initial shipping and for those that asked received a prepaid UPS sticker).
Personally, when I received the first one in an unsatisfactory condition, I immediately called
SNBC got a replacement at the TTV price and AFTER it was received returned the original.
NO PROBLEMS; NO PAIN!
The replacement has been working flawlessly since it's arrival almost 2 months. In the
UNLIKELY event their is a problem in the future (5 years) I am confident Invicta will correct
the problem to my satisfaction.
That's MHO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell3 Personally I think the whole thing is tragic!
You have Invicta, who make some really fantastic watches but is now the laughing stock of
the watch world. This is just more ammunition for a Swiss watch industry that doesn't like them.
You have DD, the famed watch house the just got a big black eye by being associated with Invicta and not knowing where there product ends up.
Then there are the customer that bought the watches. These should be real collectors
items bought at a great price and (IMHO) wont be worth anything because of this mess. Not to mention the pending service issues.
The whole thing is sad for what should have been a wonderful watch.
That's Just My Humble Opinion
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I missed being able to order one of the original DD Speedways.
I was in the NBZ.
I have no problem ordering one right now, and as soon as someone shows me where to get one, I'm on it.
For those who had a negative experience, my condolences. For those who got theirs fixed,
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For those who had no problem at all, right on!!
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Originally Posted by watchluv
I have to agree that these watches will be worthless as they are Invicta's largest mistakes
that won't be forgotten. It's really a shame Invicta didn't make this watch without
problems.
Excuse me, but why in the world would anyone buy an Invicta -- ANY Invicta -- as an
"investment?" I buy Invictas to wear them and enjoy them. No other reason. And when I get a "good" one, I'm pleasantly surprised.
I kept my Speedway, (which is now in Week 3 of the repair cycle) because I like the look &
feel of the watch and smoothness of the movement. No other reason.
I have had big problems with the way this fiasco was handled from start to finish, but not
because it's affecting the Speedway's investment value!
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I don't buy any watch as an investment, except maybe solid 18k gold ones... Only because of the price of Gold right now...
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Lets keep this Thread on topic!
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I don't buy any watch as an investment, except maybe solid 18k gold ones... Only because of the price of Gold right now...
Quote:
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Lets keep this Thread on topic!
Sorry George, but that's funny right there.
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Sorry George, but that's funny right there.
I'm just trying to lighten it up here, a little bit... __________________
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Originally Posted by Tandi IMHO you hit the nail on the head. DD has lost a lot of credibility with me, either they were
bought off or did not tell the truth to begin with. Either way their rep with me just went
down the drain.
Tandi not single-ing you out for any reason other then you're the most recent of these
similar posts.
it's entirely possable Chris was out of the loop and unaware of a purchase contract, if it went between DD-EUROPE and either Invicta or Invicta's Subcontractor. it's NOT necessarily a lie
or other deception and agreeing that the movements were CORRECTLY PROCURED is not
selling out if it's true.
From out here, we have no way to know for sure, so we either have to accept it at face value and move on, or adhere to the less likely idea that DD , a premiere movement company,
found themselves looking at SO much money in new contracts that they couldn't say no to
legitimatizing "grey" sourced movements.
from everything i've seen & heard, DD has more demand then they have capacity , which means to me, MORE contracts doesn't mean more $ to them, at least in the short term, just
longer wait times for all.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeTheWatchGuy
I'm just trying to lighten it up here, a little bit...
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I dunno G, 18k Solid Watches can't be all THAT light.
True, I guess... LMAO... I'm just trying to keep this thread open!
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I think I'm happy with the statements but is that saying that the 1st communication from Mr. Becker was false & they have been dealing with Invicta all along?? So the 2nd statement
negates the 1st one correct or vice versa?? If thats the case then why is Mr. Becker making
any statements at all because it sounds as if he may be somewhat confused on the truth?
Just my opinion, it really doesn't matter anyway I think everyone knew what the final outcome would be!!
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I think I'm happy with the statements but is that saying that the 1st communication from
Mr. Becker was false & they have been dealing with Invicta all along?? So the 2nd statement negates the 1st one correct or vice versa?? If thats the case then why is Mr.
Becker making any statements at all because it sounds as if he may be somewhat confused
on the truth? Just my opinion, it really doesn't matter anyway I think everyone knew what
the final outcome would be!!
What I get from it , is that chris said "I don't think we deal with invicta" goes back to
corporate and finds out "yes we deal with invicta"
but that's just my opinion.
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What I get from it , is that chris said "I don't think we deal with invicta" goes back to
corporate and finds out "yes we deal with invicta"
but that's just my opinion.
I don't know but the letter I read from Becker he doesn't say I don't think we deal with Invicta he say's "we have never dealt with Invicta as a customer & have never sold them
any movements" but honestly does it really matter? The only person who really knows what
happened is the Big Guy in the Sky & I'm sure his plate is pretty full with real important stuff
& he doesn't want to have to deal with this Debacle with DD & Invicta!!
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Yesterday, 11:45 PM
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I believe the new OFFICIAL Statement clarifies all your concerns!
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thanks jim i appreciate the profesional response i love invicta time pieces i think thet make a
very good time piece they havnt been in bussiness as long as they have for nothing have a great day
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IMO -
The statement puts one thing aside that should never have been a concern in the first place
and I am thankfull for that . However all you people who say it's over and lets move on are
in my opinion looking through rose colored glasses ... this issue is bigger to the actual purchasers of this peice then the geeks who say they have no dog in this fight !!
My problem is again a watch gets passed on to the consumer which is obviously flawed and
no compensation is given to the buyer ... it's always return or repair and wait 15 weeks for a
watch that you are making payments on to make it back to you and hope all is fine after that !!
Where is the true I am sorry letter in the box of the returned watch or even a simple rebate
check for our trouble , or a coupon for a future Invicta purchase ???
I mean I sat on the phone with my Norton antivirus protection for 1 1/2 hrs and they weren't
even at fault , I just needed an updated software version and they gave me an additional 30
days of coverage for free for me sitting on the phone .
Seems to me every issue with Invicta is just , like it or lump it ... I sent the watch in for
repair before the DD issue even came to light ... so the statement only confirms what is in
the watch and what I should have received in the first place nothing more !!!!
It does nothing to compensate the inconvenience of no watch or money that could have
been put to use elsewhere !!
I know every geek will not all be satisfied by this statement it can't be done , and I have now become leary of any Invicta presentations , it will take a long while before my dollars go into
Eyals pockets in the future !!
I hope this post is passed on to him and he steps up and compensates the buyers of this watch that were defective and choose to get it repaired . Afterall we are the big loosers ...
Just food for thought .....
Rock on my fellow Geeks ....
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Glad it was issued. Glad it covered all the points. Glad its over now and we can more onto
other things. No doubt it was written by corporate attorneys and it was well done. Thanks to
all involved. Next topic.
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Glad it was issued. Glad it covered all the points. Glad its over now and we can more onto
other things. No doubt it was written by corporate attorneys and it was well done. Thanks
to all involved. Next topic.
Don't know about well done, but yes, done!
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Thanks for the update Jim and following through as always.
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I believe that if we simply READ the warranty that came with our watches, we'll see exactly WHAT the obligation of the manufacturer IS, IF anything is found wrong with the items
manufacture.
Usually, it states that the item will be replaced free of charge, and in the case of ShopNBC, will be replaced in the first 30 days without question.
So, what exactly would ANYONE expect past that?
If you're not satisfied with the product send it back.
If you want it fixed, be patient.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MessalineApghar ...from everything i've seen & heard, DD has more demand then they have capacity , which
means to me, MORE contracts doesn't mean more $ to them, at least in the short term,
just longer wait times for all.
I agree. From pictures of the dd module posted by mr horology in another thread one can
see the utter beauty and complexity of the module attached to a handsome ETA engine. Add
all that to its flawless operation and its easy to see why its in demand. Im sure it takes
significant effort and time to build this quality product.
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#152
Today, 07:52 AM
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This issue was a disaster from the beginning. This will continue to be a disaster until it is
finally forgotten about. Anyone who bought one hopefully, will get their watch replaced or repaired at no cost (shipping included). There will never be an explanation that everyone will
agree is acceptable. I didnt purchase this watch so as far as my spending over 1,300.00 on a
watch (genuine or fake) isnt an issue. However it does go back to my other Invicta watches.
I no longer trust the company and I just cant get myself to buy another one of their
products. I'm sure Invicta will be upset with that They could care less. Which is
another reason why I won't buy Invicta again. There are at least 3 other companies that do
care. They will be the ones to get my business. All those who continue to purchase from
them, I hope you dont have problems and that there are no more issues to face in the future. If some do crop up and you get burned I feel sorry for you but it was your decision.
Best of luck to everyone
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#153
Today, 08:46 AM
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I wanted to compare this statement to the previous email response from DD but I can't
locate the tread. Has it been removed?
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I agree. From pictures of the dd module posted by mr horology in another thread one can see the utter beauty and complexity of the module attached to a handsome ETA engine.
Missed that post...can you point us in the right direction? Thanks.
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DD Module
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Originally Posted by Spring Lake Bob
Missed that post...can you point us in the right direction? Thanks.
http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...=Dubois+Depraz
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I would have to say the laughing stock are those that tried to make this more then it was
(unsubstantiated rumors, theories, speculation, etc.).
Having had the watch appraised early on (that's why I was POSTIVE of it authenticity)
at/by reliable and highly qualified dealers, I can assure you no one in the REAL WORLD is
laughing at Invicta or THIS particular product (except BLOGGERS).
What service issues! It was stated long ago that if there is a problem OR you THINK there
is a problem, contact Rebecca and send it in OR return to SNBC for refund (and they
(SNBC) also refunded the initial shipping and for those that asked received a prepaid UPS
sticker).
Personally, when I received the first one in an unsatisfactory condition, I immediately
called SNBC got a replacement at the TTV price and AFTER it was received returned the
original.
NO PROBLEMS; NO PAIN!
The replacement has been working flawlessly since it's arrival almost 2 months. In the
UNLIKELY event their is a problem in the future (5 years) I am confident Invicta will correct the problem to my satisfaction.
That's MHO.
Come on A.J, you know that dog won't hunt!
People are laughing loud and hard because those "unsubstantiated rumors, theories,
speculation, etc" haven't been laid to rest.
I'm curious when the appraised you watch, did they open it up? Did they take off the hands and dial and inspect the module?
Lastly what kind of appraisal did the give you?
As far as service goes...... well Invicta service speaks for itself
But on a positive note.... ENJOY you Speedway. I had an original
and it was a beautiful watch.
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I didn't buy this watch, but I have been following the Speedway DD story since it broke. To me this is an important event, and honestly, I still would call it a debacle. Anyone who has bought an Invicta and anyone who is contemplating buying an Invicta needs to know about it and form his or her own conclusion.
Many of my fellow WGs are satisfied by the official statement. I respect them and I would not try to dissuade them from their assessments. I do want to say for the record, though, that I find the statement to be rather vague and incomplete.
I am most impressed here by the points brought up by WatchYaThink (Larry). I think he raises some very valid concerns and questions.
~ Denise
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Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you
company at night, that dog hunts fine
I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying about
the Truth is always harder to accept!
Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more
importantly CARES!
And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.
Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really
belong to Eyal and Chris!
As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and I
would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I
provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD
movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).
Not bad for a bunch of hicks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell3 Come on A.J, you know that dog won't hunt!
People are laughing loud and hard because those "unsubstantiated rumors, theories,
speculation, etc" haven't been laid to rest.
I'm curious when the appraised you watch, did they open it up?
Did they take off the hands and dial and inspect the module?
Lastly what kind of appraisal did the give you?
As far as service goes...... well Invicta service speaks for itself
But on a positive note.... ENJOY you Speedway. I had an original
and it was a beautiful watch.
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Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you
company at night, that dog hunts fine
I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying
about the Truth is always harder to accept!
Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more importantly CARES!
And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.
Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really
belong to Eyal and Chris!
As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and
I would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I
provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD
movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).
Not bad for a bunch of hicks!
A.J. Living out here in Phoenix, I am LMAO at your response. Your post just made my day.
Thanks !
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I didn't buy this watch, but I have been following the Speedway DD story since it broke. To me this is an important event, and honestly, I still would call it a debacle. Anyone who has bought an Invicta and anyone who is contemplating buying an Invicta needs to know about it and form his or her own conclusion.
Many of my fellow WGs are satisfied by the official statement. I respect them and I would not try to dissuade them from their assessments. I do want to say for the record, though, that I find the statement to be rather vague and incomplete.
I am most impressed here by the points brought up by WatchYaThink (Larry). I think he raises some very valid concerns and questions.
~ Denise
Hi Denise, well stated and I too, would have to agree with Larry's original post within this
thread.
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It is good news. A lot of us were quick to make negative comments, some went over the
edge. I agree it's is over. Let's move on. Thanks Jim for your involvement.
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That it. Post #19 in the thread. Thanks kless.
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#163
Today, 02:53 PM
Russell3 Senior Member
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Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Fallowfield PA
Posts: 384 Real Name: Russell
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Originally Posted by nycruza
Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you
company at night, that dog hunts fine
I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying
about the Truth is always harder to accept!
Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more
importantly CARES!
And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.
Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really
belong to Eyal and Chris!
As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and
I would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I
provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).
Not bad for a bunch of hicks!
LOL! A.J Now that was a funny post!
Now I have to travel out there to see you!
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#164
Today, 03:10 PM
Chief68 WatchGeeks Moderator True WatchGeek
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Staten Island New York
Posts: 11,777 Real Name: Nick
I am not saying I knew how this was going to end but I was certain not everyone would be happy. These two men made a statement and signed it and I know it is not on a letterhead but that really does not matter because there signature is present. To all of us that have one of these watches if you are satisfied with
yours as I am, then be happy life is just too short . To all the people who did not buy one but are very involved in how this turns out, well draw your conclusion and stick by it but do not try to make everyone else do it. If you own one and have an issue you are going to be given a priority to get it corrected. This is the statement there will not be another one those of us that are fine with it that is GREAT you are able to make your own decision , for those that are unhappy that is fine also you are entitled to your opinion and able to make your own decisions . Everyone has made up there minds so lets just go about our collecting and not try to change each others opinions it is not going to work. Let's get back to having fun here - JMHO
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#165
Today, 03:21 PM
GeorgeTheWatchGuy WatchGeeks Moderator
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That works for me Nick!
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#166
Today, 03:27 PM
strutn45 Senior Member
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: "Da Swamp" LA. Posts: 9,277
Real Name: John "WHO DAT"
I agree Nick and i'm with ya!
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#167
Today, 03:32 PM
bat Senior Member
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Real Name: Fred C
Your the man Nick....
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#168
Today, 04:47 PM
nycruza Senior Member
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Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 1,423 Real Name: A.J.
And THIS is WHY - They call him CHIEF!
BZ, Nick!
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Originally Posted by Chief68
I am not saying I knew how this was going to end but I was certain not everyone would be happy. These two men made a statement and signed it and I know it is not on a letterhead but that really does not matter because there signature is present. To all of us that have one of these watches if you are satisfied with yours as I am, then be happy life is just too short . To all the people who did not buy one but are very involved in how this turns out, well draw your conclusion and stick by it but do not try to make everyone else do it. If you own one and have an issue you are going to be given a priority to get it corrected. This is the statement there will not be another one those of us that are fine with it that is GREAT you are able to make your own decision , for those that are unhappy that is fine also you are entitled to your opinion and able to make your own decisions . Everyone has made up there minds so lets just go about our collecting and not try to change each others opinions it is not going to work. Let's get back to having fun here - JMHO
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