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I am Jason Alexander Hughey, a

lover of weight lifting and vegetarian

for 6 years. Like many people I used

to workout...then quit. Growing up I

was somewhat fit thanks to varsity

track and soccer, but I was never

very muscular or strong. I wanted toprove that you can still put on

muscle like anyone else on a

vegetarian diet. I'm far from done

yet, but I have come a long way.

2.5 year progress

Stats:

Height: 6'4

Starting Weight: 170lbs

Current Weight: 212 lbs

Bulking calories 4000 +-

Cutting Calories 3200 +-

I am not sure of my one rep maxes.

Here is a sample of my stats with

perfect form:

Squat 185 5x5 to 315 5x5

Bench 175 1rm to 225 x5

Deadlift 250 x5 to 405 x5

Dumbbell Seated Shoulder Press 40s

x5 to 80s 5x5

My current training schedule 6x per

week is as follows:

Monday: Back, Calves, Abs

Tuesday: Chest, Abs

Wednesday Legs Day 1, Calves

Thursday: Shoulders, Traps, Abs

Friday: Arms, Abs

Saturday: Legs Day 2, Calves

I train legs 2x per week because 1.

They are a big muscle and can take

a lot of abuse. 2. They are stubborn

to grow. 3. Training bigger muscle

groups like legs actually releases

more hormones that help rebuild the

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muscles throughout my body. 4.

Squatting is fun

Here is a sample of my training

schedule

I officially started my training

 journey 2.5 years ago. The kick off 

was joining Reddit's second BTFC"Body Transformation Challenge" at

the end of August, 2011. I decided if I can stick with it for 3 months

maybe I have a chance. At the end

of the three month challenge I came

in second place. It turns out if you

actually apply what you learn you

see results!

Over the last couple years I have

continued to learn and improve myphysique. I found that I absolutely

love helping people. So much so I

started a blog to help address some

of the many common questions I see

and inspire others. Check it out here

at:

www.jasonhfitness.com

There is so much bullshit out there

that getting in great shape seems

over complicated (it was for me in

the beginning). I've applied my own

knowledge and learned "the truth" so

to speak. It's simple so don't let

anyone fool you: Eat right and train

hard. Be consistent and never look

for shortcuts. Put in the work and be

honest with yourself. Real progress

takes months. Embrace the grind and

love the hard work. It doesn't matterso much what program you follow,

especially as a beginner. It matters

that you actually FOLLOW THROUGH

and train consistently.

I recommend anyone interested in

working out to scour youtube,

google workout questions and readbooks on fitness and nutrition.

Become hungry for information. Thatis what I've done for over 6 years

now and continue to do daily. It

doesn't have to be complicated, but

there is always more to learn.

If you are interested I upload my

personal workouts each week to my

blog for subscribers. My hope is to

demonstrate what has been very

successful for me so that youmaximize your time making progress

and spend less time spinning your

wheels. By design my workouts

include explanations and are a great

place to learn about training and

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Meal 3 (post workout): 1 scoop Serious

Mass Whey Protein, 2 cups soy milk, 1

frozen banana, 1/2 cup natural peanut

butter, 1 cup water all blended

together. (1600 calories)

Meal 4: 2 Morning Star Garden Veggie

Burgers on a toasted bagel loaded with

leafy greens and some cheese.

There are many other meals Ioccasionally swap in, but the mass

gainer shakes are a daily thing.

This is over 4000 calories and about

215 grams of protein. When I lower my

calories which I am doing now I just

use less peanut butter in my post

workout shake. Doing so requires that I

add in some extra protein so I put in anaddition scoop of whey isolate protein

(25 grams) into my post workout

shake.

So yes, as a vegetarian it is WAY

easier to meet my protein levels when I

eat more. So much so it is a non issue.

Once I start to diet down I do have to

be careful. But you don't need more

than 1 gram per lb of lean body weight.People overdo protein. The concept

that has helped me the most is to eat

a diet high in carbs and fat so the

protein I do take in is conserved to

repair tissues in the body.

I have done research on soy milk since

I use it myself. If there really is any

negative side effect it is probably so

small to be undetectable. Worrying

about soy milk because of estrogencontent is also bullshit. I used to drink

a lot more vit D milk each day (I even

did GOMAD once when I was less wise

though it did help me build a lot of 

muscle). I have seen no difference

drinking soy milk it works the same.

A great recipe is to take oatmeal, milk,a banana and a few spoon fulls of 

peanut butter. Microwave it alltogether for a few minutes. It all melts

together and tastes amazing. Currently

eating it right now!

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[–]  zumx  27 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the tips. I'm a

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 31 points 2months ago

I recommend you read my blog

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post which applies to skinny

people trying to gain muscle.

Follow that and you will be

successful. Also subscribe to

 /r/gainit which is a great

community for inspiration and

tips to gain lean muscle.

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[–] NorthernLad4 Weightlifting6 points 2 months ago

First, good job on the

progress!

Second, I'm inspired by

your gainer shake as a

method of bringing in

calories, but I can't seem

to find any natural peanut

butter such that 1/2 cup

== 1500 calories. What

brand of peanut butter doyou use?

Thanks. :)

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5points 2 months ago

Yep that was a total

typo when I was adding

up my calories. I put in

1 cup of peanut butter

instead of 1/2. haha

now I look like a

dumbass. Haha thank

you I will correct that!

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[–] misplaced_my_pants  2 points 2months ago

Here you go.

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[–]  redinator  3 points 2 months ago

What about taking soy protein

isolate instead of whey?

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[–]  Kingbrandeno  4 points 2 months ago

It's .7-1.2 g of protein per kg of 

body weight. I couldn't agree more

that people over consume protein.

But if you're going by lb you could

still be over consuming. Convert

your lb into kg

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adjust if you feel like you are

getting fat. I personally think

that is too low to be

maintaining a lot of muscle (But

I don't know your goals). What

is your "bulking calories"? All

that being said, if it is working

for you and you are happy keep

doing it! If you are just cutting

now after 5 years what is yourcurrent estimated bf%?

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[–] JohnCoffee23  1 point 2months ago

Yea i think the 2500 rangeseems more appropriate but

i'm kind of just testing the

waters right now, so we'll

see. Bulking calories was

around 3500-4000, my

body fat % is i would say

around 18% and i'm going

for the 10-12% range, but

i'll see what i am

comfortable with. I'm only

doing a 6 week cut since

i'm new to all of this,

thanks for the feedback.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1point 2 months ago

Yea sounds like that

would be a better fit for

you. I know the feeling

though. I have spent so

much time trying to

gain it feels weird to

cut. Each time I have

cut the second I feel

lean I find myself 

increasing the caloriesagain haha. I just want

to keep makingprogress. Maybe in

another couple years I

will find some more

satisfaction.

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[–] JohnCoffee23  2points 2 months ago

That's the thing

about body building,

you're never

satisfied, it's weird.

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It is a gift and a

curse

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[–]  MCJokeExplainer  2 po ints 2 m onthsago

As a girl on a cut seeing you get to

eat 4,000 calories a day:http://i.imgur.com/1u2L0.gif 

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[–]  buzz_lightyear-  7 points 2 monthsago

I'm just gonna say this: maybe for

body building purposes, worrying

about the estrogen levels in soyprotein has no purpose. However, I

think it is more of a concern withwomen especially. I was vegetarian

for a year and during that time

stopped having my period. I didn't

know at that time it was due to

soy, but that suspicion ended up

being confirmed a couple months

ago when I started drinking my

protein shakes with soy milk again.

Lo and behold, no period. As soon

as I stopped drinking soy milk, myperiod came back. So...not ALL the

worry about soy is totally wrong.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago

If that is true it would be

something to take note of for

sure. I just googled the

question and can't find any

other examples after trying a

few searches. It could be a soy

allergy maybe? Or maybe some

people react to it differently. I

really don't know, but if I were

you I certainly would not be

drinking soy milk if there was a

clear link to losing your period.

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[–]  noonehereisontrial  2 points 2months ago

So so so correct. My nutrition class

emphasizes that no matter how

athletic you are, you don't need

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more than 1g/kg, obviously if you're

trying to bulk it won't hurt you, but

it's not necessary. The emphasis

America has on protein is so

unhealthy.

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[–] audiophileguy  2 points 2 monthsago

We learned too much proteinactually can hurt you by

impairing kidney function. But

I'm guessing that 's going above

and beyond anyone's wildest

expectat ions for protein

consumption

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[–]  caedin8  1 point 2 months ago

Why the soy milk though? If youare consuming Whey protein you

are consuming cow-based

products. I don't see the reasoning

behind wanting soy milk, but being

okay with Whey? In case you don't

know what Whey is, "Whey is left

over when milk is coagulated during

the process of cheese production,

and contains everything that is

soluble from milk."

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago

I understand whey is made

from milk. I wanted to cut

down on the overall dairy in my

diet. I felt it was contributing

to poor skin and my research

has led me to believe it is not

really a health food (not to say

it is unhealthy either). Though

it is awesome in terms of abalance of carbs, fat and

protein to gain weight. Soy milk

has less calories from fat but

that has nothing really to do

with my choice.

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[–] caedin8  2 po ints 2 m onthsago

Oh okay, thanks for the

clarification.

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[–]  sr79  1 point 2 months ago

What is your grocery bill per week

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roughly?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2months ago

Not too bad maybe about 50

bucks or so. I eat a lot of 

peanut butter and bagels every

day. I eat really cheap in

general. I can't afford to eat 5kcalories of perfection each day.

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[–]  JustWokeUp1 Good for one custom flair  87

points 2 months ago

Your starting lifts seem very high for a

beginner, did you go to the gym a fair

amount before you started officially

counting?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 73 points 2 monthsago*

Yes I trained in my at home gym (just

a bench and some barbells) for a

couple years before plus did some

strength training with varsity track.

Over the course of 3 years I only

added about ten lbs. My t rue starting

weight is more like 160 lbs. But I wouldtrain for a few months than totally quit

for a few months. My advantage was

the knowledge I learned about lifting.

That's partly why I was able to make

so much progress on my own in a short

time when I made the decision to

actually try.

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[–]  mayonuki  22 points 2 months ago

That's really impressive to get to

benching over your weight(especially at such a tall height)

with that kind of training!

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago

I've always had trouble growing

my chest so it's nice to be

making some progress! Thank

you :)

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[–] freebird321  2 points 2months ago

What do you recommend

for stimulating chest

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strength/growth? I've been

stuck at 175 1RM for at

least a couple months now

it feels like. If it helps, my

squat and deadlift are leaps

and bounds above my

bench, I weigh in @ 185,

and I am trying to do the

powerlifting thing w/ a

texas method routine.

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[–] GunGeekATX  1 point 2 monthsago

I'm also 6'4" and one of my

goals is being able to 1RM my

body weight. My 1RM is 195lbs

right now and 220lbs body

weight, so I'm getting there.

It'll be easier if I cut another10lbs of fat.

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[–]  JustWokeUp1

Good for one custom flair  3 points 2

months ago

It is great progress. I'm in a similar

situation, started bulking in January

and have gained 6kg but also 5%

body fat (although I think less as

my before was lower than

expected). The training though hasbeen spotty and I'm starting a

clean bulk. Should be able to get

the next 7kg or so I want then cut

back down. Did you gain much bf in

your bulk?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2months ago

When I was less experienced I

did GOMAD (Gallon of Milk a

Day) for 3.5 months. I actually

think it's great that I did it. I

put on a lot of muscle but also

a lot of fat. I just didn't realize

how much fat because I am tall

and all that muscle gave me

the illusion that I was leanerthan I was. I still had a 4 pack

and the shadow of a 6 pack

when I flexed. I learned from

this. In an entire year I did not

gain a single lb. Actually Igained a lot more muscle and

lost fat and was way bigger

looking the next year. But I

actually weighed the same

haha. So maybe if I didn't

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waste my time gaining so much

fat I would have not had to cut

as much. Now my main goal is

to gain slowly. .25 lbs a week is

plenty. But as a beginner it was

easier to gain muscle so our

goals have to change.

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[–] JustWokeUp1Good for one custom flair  1

point 2 months ago

Very true. Once I get to

the level I want I fully

intend to lean gain too. If 

only that time wasn't so far

away.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3points 2 months ago

When you look back itgoes way faster than

you imagine. And you

can still enjoy the

changes you see each

month!

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[–] gang_vape  2 points 2 monthsago

What in your opinion is a good

way to measure body fat? I

have some cheapo calipers but

cant tell how accurate they

are.. they seem to flex when Iapply pressure.

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[–] JustWokeUp1

Good for one custom flair  2

points 2 m onths ago

I'm lucky in that the staff 

at my gym (Uni gym) do

free health asssesmentsincluding body fat checks.

They use the calipers and

seem good at using them.

The calipers look good

quality and I trust the

results. I can't vouch for

other techniques but most

seem to have a large error

deviation. The most

important thing is to be

consistent, that way

regardless of the result youget you can still record any

differences and gains.

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[–]  xbuzzx108  21 points 2 months ago

No meat. No problem!

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[–]  Furkel_Bandanawich  34 points 2 months ago

Good job fixing your hair.

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[–] Cavemansol  13 points 2 months ago

Sorta...

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[–]  dtrainusmc Powerlifting  34 po ints 2 m onths

ago

Lol @ people asking if this guy is natty.

I forget I'm on r/fitness sometimes.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 19 points 2 months ago

haha I know it makes me laugh. Do I

even lift?

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[–]  sharpie32  8 points 2 months ago

New to /r/fitness ... What is this

"natty?"

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2months ago

We are talking about naturalbody builders vs. unnatural

people who use performance

enhancing drugs to build muscle

such as dianabol, turinabol etc.

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[–] sosern  10 points 2 months ago

Natural, as in not using steroids

or other stuff like that.

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[–] matthewjpb  9 points 2 months ago

Wait are you saying he is or isn't?

Sorry if this is a dumb question.

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[–]  Kangaroo__Court  21 points 2months ago

He very much is.

Many naturally large men who just

started lifting could put up biggernumbers within 10 months or so.

His attention and work regarding

diet and bodyfat level is what

distinguishes him from the former

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group and thus 6-pack!

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2months ago

Bingo ;)

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[–]  CoryKatherine  18 points 2 months ago

I find it EXTREMELY disheartening that thetop two comments on such an amazing,

detailed progress report are critical. Would

not be that way if vegetarianism wasn't

the subject. I am deeply impressed by OP.

Not so much by the sub.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2 months ago

Thank you for being so supportive! I

expect the criticism which is part of 

why I am posting. I hope I tore downsome preconceived notions. Anytime

you put yourself out there or attemptanything worth while it will attract

criticism. The positive reactions like

yours remind us it's all worth it in the

end.

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[–]  Screenaged  10 points 2 months ago

On behalf of people everywhere that are

sick to death of hearing vegetarian jokes

from fat guys that call themselvescarnivores: thank you.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 months ago

Hahaha I'll show them what's up

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[–]  DibaloHardy  41 points 2 months ago

Good job!

How do you fulfill your protein macros?

Tbh the only thing that crosses my mind

right now are beans and tofu.

What do you have to say to people who

state that soy protein is inferior to whey?

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[–] BonaFidee  117 points 2 months ago

Vegetarians can use Whey. You're

thinking of vegans.

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As a vegetarian or vegan weight lifter

trying to put on muscle I do believe

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supplementation is very important.

People become so obsessed with eating

"clean" they end up hurting their

progress by eating nothing but

vegetables, fruits and nuts. Though I

think your diet should be high in those

foods, when you start training hard you

really need to add in high calories

meals or else your body will never be

able to add muscle. That's partly whyso many vegans and vegetarians are so

skinny. I think it has a lot less to do

with protein.

But back to the supplementation point,

it is very beneificla. I personally use

Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass 2x a

day. I also will add in a whey protein

isolate when cutting because eating

less calories means I am taking in less

protein. You need less protein than

some people would have you believe.1gram per lb of lean body mass has

been more than enough for me to make

the progress I have.

As far as soy protein goes, I drink at

least 4 cups of soy milk a day. I spent

the first 1.5 years drinking vitamin D

milk and made similar progress over

that time compared to now. Based on

my research and personal anecdotal

evidence if there is any difference it is

so small to be unnoticeable. I can'tcomment on soy based protein powders

as I have never used them at length.

But I suspect they could be very

effective and would be the second

best option if you don't eat whey.

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[–]  eggn00dles  3 points 2 months ago

what do you think about

phytoandrogens? do you try toconsume these?

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[–] autowikibot  11 points 2 monthsago

Phytoandrogens:

Phytoandrogens are

substances produced in

plants which have effects

similar to testosterone in

animals.

Interesting: Phytoestrogens

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[–] Squawberry  2 points 2months ago*

Are they orally available? If 

not, eating them has no

effect. My guess is they're

not. Examine article

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[–]  jigal_le_puff   4 points 2 months ago*

So I'm one of those vegetarians

obsessed with eating clean and it's

destroying my wallet and making it

difficult to hit the correct amount

of calories. Where should I be going

"dirty"? What do you define as

dirty? Is it bags of chips or just

processed foods in general? Istarted using protein shakes if that

counts as dirty.

EDIT: WOW thanks everyone who

replied. Now I'm excited to try all

this food out

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[–] PuglyTaco  12 points 2 monthsago

Cheese, yogurt, avocados,

olive oil/butter, peanuts,bananas, are all high in calories

and/or protein and are

reasonably cheap. Don't resort

to eating chips and crap just to

hit your macros.

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[–] TheWhimsicalFox  3 points 2months ago

Cheese is a fucking godsend. Just a kg of cheese a

week can do wonders foradding to your bulk.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2months ago

haha that's great. First stop

thinking about all processed

foods as being bad. Processed

foods represent basically 99%

of everything there is to eat. In

this day and age everything is

processed at some level. My

dream is actually for sc ience to

perfect a perfect food that I

can just drink and never worry

about eating again (soylent is a

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company trying to do this).

Until then, yes protein shakes

are a great start. I recommend

going to amazon and trying

Optimum Nutrition Serious

Mass. Best value for the money

that I can find. Keep eating

clean but allow yourself some

more freedom. I use bagels and

peanut butter a lot. It is cheapand easy. Someday when I am

wealthy I can have the perfect

diet. But I have a feeling I

won't change much lol.

I would avoid things that are

obviously not going to help you

much (things that are devoid of 

nutrition) like potato chips,

processed junk food and such.

You should be looking at food

more than just for caloriccontent for sure. Yes you

COULD eat a bunch of high

processed sugary and fatty

foods but your overall progress

will be hindered a bit. And when

you eat the nutrition your body

needs it pretty much eliminates

your cravings. I almost neverget junk food cravings. I also

drink a gallon of water a day on

average which helps. All that

being said, eating some fooddevoid of nutrition has not

slowed me down at all. But it is

never a main focus of daily

diet.

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[–] the__funk  31 points 2months ago

99%? Man, you gotta learn

to cook...

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[–] [deleted] 6 points 2 monthsago

yah...soylent or anything

similar is not healthy in the

slightest. it's only use is to

combat starvation in poor

countries if it can be made

for cheap. otherwise eat ingproper food is 10x better

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[–]  fiddel_fabulous  2points 2 months ago

yeah I agree. i don't

knock the attempt at

perfect simple food but

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unless you do a shit ton of cardio.

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[–] kaji823  5 points 2 months ago

Vegan here.. I use tofu and vegan

protein powder. I don't really countbeans.

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[–] BrainDeadUnit  18 points 2 months ago

I don't think any science has shown

that soy is inferior to whey.

There's a lot of people who try to say

soy increases estrogen levels, but if 

you spend 10 minutes on google trying

to dig up any actual scientific papers

or academic sources (or any site that

actually references their sources),

you'll see that the science that doesshow estrogen levels has been severely

flawed, and the rest show no practical

affect until you get to eating 10

packages of tofu a day or some insane

amounts like that. Protein

supplementation is fine.

In my experience, the "Soy protein

sucks" is just general bigotry of people

trying to find ways to justify their

entrenched anti-animal-harm-reductionstances.

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[–] TheIslander829 Sprinting  2 points 2

months ago

Nothing beats whey in efficiency.

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[–]  Doc_   5 points 2 months ago

'Mirin hard over here. Good shit man.

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[–] DeathIsTruth

[S ] 2 points 2 months agoThanks brah that means the world to

me

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[–]  heyoh1  8 points 2 months ago

wow.. I am also vegetarian, since the

beginning of 2008 but am like you used to

be...this gives me hope and courage to

improve my body, thanks for posting!

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

You're welcome! Be sure to hit up my

facebook page as I am going to be

doing a lot more on the topic of 

vegetarian body building :)

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[–]  afoona  6 points 2 months ago*

Great progress! Vegan female here, don't

have bulking up plans, just getting more fit,

doing a HIIT 30 days challange at the

moment and walk/cycle to work as my

aerobic fix. Hate the gym. Will try to

combine HIIT and running (5k) outside

once this challange is over. Took me awhile to understand it's a life style and not

a task.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

Good for you! I do some HIIT training

now and then. It is way harder thananything I ever did in high school. I

wish I knew about it then. Keep it up!

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[–]  [deleted] 20 points 2 months ago

impressive! now all you need to do is to

bring back that old hair do from the before

picture

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[–] commodore-69  5 points 2 months ago

Agreed. That's a tight hairdo

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2 months ago

Maybe that would help calm down allthis extra attention from girls. Good

point!

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[–]  8qq  11 points 2 months ago

do you ever run into girls you knew

in high school? I can only imagine

the reactions lol

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[–]  why_rob_y  4 points 2 months ago

Great job! I love how high your cutting

calories are. You must be active.

I'm a vegetarian lifter, too - it's definitely

hard to make sure I get the right amount

of protein if I'm not careful, but I've found

that as long I'm actually tracking it, I do

fine.

If there are other vegetarians reading -

protein shakes help, of course, but go buy

lots of Greek yogurt (I've recently been

having Chobani Simply 100 or Dannon Light

& Fit - both have 12 grams of protein, with

only 100 or 80 calories, respectively). A

great way to get some extra protein into

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[–]  Citonpyh  64 points 2 months ago

People love so much calling

"broscience" that when they hear

something actually not that stupid

they don't see the difference

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[–] nm172  11 points 2 months ago

No, it's called broscience when

pseudoscience is used to

 justify something. There has

been no study proving hisclaim. A slight, 15-30 minute

hormone boost isn't going to

make a difference.

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[–] Druid51  30 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure Bstpitch wasn't

 just c alling it broscience as a

 joke, this was proven to be

ineffective. Working a "large

muscle mass" does release

more hormones, but not enough

to make a difference in the

results you get from training. It

is probably as effec tive as

taking an over-the-counter

test booster which is also

useless. If you want to get

more gainz from increased testyou have to elevate your levels

by many times fold (aka

steroids) not just a little bit.

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[–]  OptimusPrime242  5 points 2 monthsago

More:

To optimally evoke TST

concentrations and further

enhance hypertrophy within thesmaller musculature, that may

otherwise only be under the

influence of GH and IGF, sessions

should be initiated with large

muscle group exercises. These

could be squats or deadlifts for

example, however these maynegatively affect subsequent

sessions that target the lower-

body musculature. Alternatively,

any of the Olympic lifts or their

derivatives could be used and

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therefore assist the t ransition

into the subsequent periodisation

phases such as strength and

power

www.researchgate.net/profile/Jere

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[–]  squarebutstrong  4 po ints 2 m onthsago

It's all fine that their elevated but

by enough to make a significant

effect?

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[–]  rimnii  2 points 2 months ago

slightly increase test levels dont

make a huge difference is the point

i think, there are many morebenefits from the increased test

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 56 points 2 months ago

I read it on the internet! Its gotta be

true

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[–] dtrainusmc Powerlifting  0 points 2

months ago*

It's 100% bullshit.

Lol downvoting zyzz faggots

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[–]  heuschnupfenmittel  19 points 2months ago

Combo that with

There's so much bullshit out there

so check out my website

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[–]  OptimusPrime242  4 points 2 monthsago

Prove it.

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[–]  cochair  1 point 2 months ago

60% of the time

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[–]  WapeyHapey  3 points 2 months ago

Amazing progress. I'm currently a fair bit

more muscular than your starting but no

way near your current. I would love to

have your current physique! I'm also 6'4.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 months ago

Wow you should head on over to /r/tall

and you can feel short with me lol.

But seriously you can do it! Seeing as

how you are my height you are going

to need to take in more calories than

other people. And us tall guys need to

put on more muscle for it to show. ANDour range of motion for exercises like

squatting is going to be further. We

basically have to lift the same weight a

further distance each rep. But that's all

good because having a bigger body

means more room to pack on muscle. I

recommend you read the article I

posted on my blog here. I think it will

really help you. Best of luck! Let me

know if you have any questions!

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[–]  WapeyHapey  1 point 2 months ago

I will check out your blog now,

keep up the hard work! I bet you'll

be pulling a lot of looks this summer

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2months ago

Thank please do! Let me know

if there's anything you would

like me to write about. I will beupdating it usually multiple

times a week. Haha you might

be right!

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[–] WapeyHapey  3 points 2months ago

I have to say, thanks for

posting that to me (in first

reply). It was very helpful

what you have wrote. I am

definitely going to start

making myself these shakes

to help put on mass! I've

always struggled to hit high

calorie amounts despite

spending so much time

eating so this really shouldhelp me.

Things I'd mostly like to see

are just recipes for high

calorie foods, foods which

are often overlooked butvery good to eat for gains

etc.

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points 2 months ago

I'm really glad I could

help! Thank you, I

appreciate the

feedback I will make

sure I write up some

more as there are a few

others I could share

that have helped me a

lot. I think an entire

recipe section will be an

addition in the future.

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[–]  tozion Weightlifting  3 points 2 months ago

You'll be surprised to know there are plenty

of vegetarian bodybuilders in India, it's

surprising what a decent source of protein

dal is. They still need whey though, and

one serving doesn't suffice IMHO.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago

Really? I am going to look this up

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[–]  holdagold  3 points 2 months ago

I like how the selfie concept changed in

2.5 years. In the beginning, you probably

had friend to take picture of you. After

geting a better body, however, it seemsthat desocialization has been completed.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 months ago

lol. I have no time for friends. The gym

is my friend now.

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[–]  rickrossroll  3 points 2 months ago

Is it just me or is this just one big

advertisement for this dude's fitness blog?What's the rules in /r/fitness regarding

self-promotion like this?

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[–]  QueenOfTheKitchen  13 points 2 months ago

Can I speak for all us ladies when I say

"WOW!!" You not only have an amazing

body, but you look so much more confidant

in the second photo!

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[–]  negativereddit  8 points 2 months ago

Why are you grabbing your underwear like

that

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[–]  MCJokeExplainer  19 points 2 months ago

Inb4 preachy vegetarian comments.

Really stoked you're posting here. Always

great to see another vegetarian showingpeople that it's very possible to make

progress without meat. Would love to seemore specifics about your diet!

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[–] A LoudMouthBaby Crossfit  20 points 2

months ago

Always great to see another

vegetarian showing people that it's

very possible to make progress

without meat.

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[–]  novw General Fitness  30 points 2

months ago

To answer your question: there are

a lot of people without half a c lue.

Meat = protein = muscles is still a

pervasive misconception, and for

some it comprises the whole of 

what they consider "nutrition".

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[–] ALoudMouthBaby Crossfit  13

points 2 months ago

This is certainly true among the

general public. In fitness

related groups though that this

idea could still be present at all

though is really astounding to

me. So much focus has been

made on nutrition over the last

15-20 years, anyone from the

local couch-5k completer tothe local gym hero should know

that being a vegetarian is not

even a minor obstacle to any

fitness goal. Vegan is a bit

tougher, but not by much.

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[–]  MCJokeExplainer  6 po ints 2 m onthsago

You'd be surprised. I used to work

at a gym and when I told people I

was a vegetarian, they would say

"I can't do that, it'll mess up my

gains."

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[–]  Nayr39  3 points 2 months ago

With half a clue? No. But most

people I've ever met that have

talked about vegetarianism think

like that.

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[–]  randy9876  9 points 2 months ago

You have to have meat to bulk up.

Look at large bulky animals in

nature. Horses, cows, buffalo,

rinos. Big meat eaters.

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[–] bureX  10 points 2 months ago

Also different animals with

different stomachs and

different dietary preferences.

Whales are huge, and they eat

only plankton. You know what

to do.

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[–] Screenaged  3 points 2 months ago

I made a $10 bet with my roommate

that we would see a comment bitching

about preachy vegetarians before we

saw a comment from a preachy

vegetarian. Thank you.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago

Thank you :) I posted my diet here

You can read more about why I eat like

that on my recent bog post

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[–]  JonnyRichter Powerlifting  2 po ints 2 m onths

ago

Wait, you train abs 4 times a week? Do you

do different exercises, or do you just think

the more often you train a muscle, thefaster it'll develop?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

I do different exercises, but go back to

the same ones a lot (cable crunches,ankle to bar hanging leg lifts, decline

bench c runches etc.)

No, I don't think that. Abs can take a

lot of abuse as they are designed to

stabilize your body all day. Personally Iwant a really well balanced physique

the deep blocky abs. You can train abs

everyday. I usually train them for 15-

20 minutes 4-5 times a week. I have

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about another year and a half till I get to

your level of progress. Very motivat ional.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

Good, I love your attitude. Don't ever

accept defeat from yourself on your

path to reach you goal. Embrace the

daily grind and love the hard work.

Time will reveal those you put in theeffort and those who half ass their

work and sabotage their own progress.

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[–]  Ljppkgfgs  2 points 2 months ago

What is your favorite thing about your

transformation (which is very impressive

btw).

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

I really like the extra confidence for

sure. The mental changes have been

the most profound

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[–]  trustmeiminnocent  2 points 2 months ago*

This post inspires me. I started going

vegetarian a little less than a month ago

and I love it! This pushes me more to keep

up with it. My mile time went down from 10min miles to running 7 min and 45 secs the

other day! I'm literally in the best shape of 

my life right now. My diet constitutes of 

salads- olives, chickpeas, carrots, and all,

tofu- stir fry, sushi occasionally, pb&j w/

greek yogurt for breakfast, and omelets

thrown in there. Hard to eat vegetarian at

my campus, yet my mom at home has

finally accepted the vegetarian thing and

making things for me there. Awesome. -

Feel the big thing is I don't eat as much as

I should. No protein shakes now either.

Right now I squat 155 at 1RM, Deadlift 135

1RM, Bench Press 115 1RM- low numbers

to start out but I haven't been seriously

working out until I started going

vegetarian- about a month. My goal? I

want to get big, I weigh 147 at the

moment from a starting weight of 138, high

metabolism, no fat-one perk of that is abs

that I'm proud of- which is a good thing as

results show faster.

Any tips for a vegetarian trying to pack on

muscle? Any good whey protein products I

should check out? Vitamins? I love the diet

change and has turned my health around

for the better.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

That's awesome good for you! My main

tip is that you need to be eating

enough calories. As long as you get

about .8 grams of protein per lb of lean

body mass you will be able to gain

muscle at rate as fast as anyone else.

But if you want to gain size you haveto be eating at a caloric deficit. The

same rules apply as a vegetarian that

apply to anyone else. I do this by

drinking my calories with a mass gainerprotein shake. You might consider

adding one in once a day,

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[–]  watchoutsucka  2 points 2 months ago

All I saw in my head after the pics is this.

http://cartoonician.com/wp-

content/uploads/2012/05/atlas-top-

half.jpg

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[–]  yogaposer  2 points 2 months ago

Holy cow! You look fabulous! My husband

and I are both vegetarians as well. I'm a

yoga instructor and am stronger than I

have ever been but find so many people

don't think you can get protein away from

meat. Seriously, awesome job!

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[–]  Rooney1986  5 points 2 months ago

I've never had anyone try to convince me

that you can't gain without meat.

It's mostly vegetarians who have pressed

this issue in my experience.

Well done though.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 months ago

Good, I certainly have had people in my

personal life doubt me a lot. But they

do not anymore! Everyone always

thought I was a bit weird for eating the

way I do. Now they come asking about

how they can do it too. I think even

when I started being a vegetarian just

6 years ago the diet has grown in

popularity. I can't go to a restaurant

without a meat free option. It's pretty

common now and honestly is not a bigpart of my life or daily concern.

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Yep, you definitely look like a vegetarian.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

Never knew that was possible cool

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[–]  Maikowski  4 points 2 months ago

vegetarian steroids?

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[–]  lovedatcocaineyo  3 points 2 months ago

So much bs in this thread.

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[–]  mrtony93  2 points 2 months ago

What do you tell people first, "I'm vegan"

or "I'm all natural" ?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

hahaha I say I'm a vegetarian. Maybe

people are too afraid to ask and learn

that I'm natural. Maybe they all

secretly judge me and assume I am

unnatural. But when I look in the mirror

all I see is how much more work I have

to do. It's all a matter of perspective. Iwill look bigger to a smaller personal

than I see myself in the mirror.

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[–]  GunthorTheGreat  2 po ints 2 m onthsago

Do you eat eggs/milk products?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2months ago

Sure do! Being a vegan is a bit

harder no doubt.

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[–]  DrDeath666  2 points 2 months ago

Natural or enhanced ?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 months ago

Natural thanks for asking :)permalink parent

[–]  oneplusthreefour  1 point 2 months ago

Now all you have to do is get your hand

out of your pants when you take pictures

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of yourself.

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[–]  TruNinja619  1 point 2 months ago

Great job!

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[–]  banmenow  1 point 2 months ago

How active are you outside of the gym?

Cutting at 3200 is surprising to me - not

because I think it's high, but  personally  I'm

trying to cut at 1900, and I'm having a

hard time because I can't stand chicken or

egg whites anymore.. I can't stand the

thought of eating them at this point. I lift

weights 4-5 times a week, no cardio oractiveness outside of weight lifting. I'm

 just 177ish, my body is pretty lean exceptthe fat seems to centralize in my stomach

and lower back.

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[–]  daklu  1 point 2 months ago

do you eat eggs and milk products?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago

Sure do, but I try to buy the freerange eggs (even though that is more

of a marketing term) they do at least

taste better. I mainly use soy milk but I

don't avoid dairy and supplement with

whey protein each day.

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[–]  dudemanbro08 [ ] 2 points 2months ago

Free range is a marketing term?

The difference between cheap

walmart eggs and true free rangeeggs is huge

Source: grew up on a small farm

and had lots of chicken farmingfriends.

I know my eggs son

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[–]  wattslbef   1 point 2 months ago

How long are your workouts usually? I findit tough to get 6 different lifts in (4 sets

each) in an hour window with decent rest

time between sets, and I always find my

weights drop off towards the end of the

workout due to fatigue. Unless you take

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to about 2-3 miles before lifting

since it gives me insane shin

splints; thats when I make my

(albeit small) gains. Summertime I

usually do 5-6 @ a 7:00 pace with

mixed speed intervals and inclines

on chest/tri and back/bi/shoulder

days, and an easier 3.5 on leg

days. I guess in the summer

months I accept that my lifts aregoing to completely stall and I justhit the weights to maintain

whatever increases I made the

past winter.

Either way, congrats on the sick

gains and progress. Espec ially

without eating meat - I'm not sure

I could accomplish anything near

that.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2months ago

Thank you, keep up the hard

work! I think that's a very

reasonable goal.

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[–]  lazyslacker  1 point 2 months ago

honestly I was expecting this to be a troll

post with the same image side by side.

Good work man.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

haha thank you I can promise you it is

real

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[–]  RemixxMG Weightlifting  1 point 2 months

ago

Did your big lifts all go up that high while

on such a high volume routine?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago

Yes, they do. I know some people

would say my routine is too high in

volume, but my training is a mix of 

strength building and hypertrophy

focused rep and rest ranges. I've found

it to be an awesome balance between

building strength and getting a nice

physique. There are some people who

don't look as good as me but they are

stronger on some lifts. There are alsosome who might be lean and ripped but

can't match me in strength. I have

been happy with where this trainingstyle has brought me. Plus, it makes

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gaining fat very difficult. This way I

spend more time putting on muscle and

less time cutting.

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[–]  RemixxMG Weightlifting  1 point 2

months ago

How does it make fat gain difficult?

Is it because of the higher calorie

burn? One last thing, on your sitesome of them say " slow 4x4second count", can you tell me

what that means?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2months ago

Good questions. It is because I

am keeping my heart rate

higher throughout my workout

by using more supersets and

taking less rest which keeps me

at a better position to burn fat.

That means that each rep

should take 8 seconds. So for a

bench press I am going to

count to 4 and will not press

the weight to the top of the

movement until I have counted

to 4. I do the same things

coming down. It is called t ime

under tension and is a method

to increase the overall timeyour muscle spends under

contract ions, thus tearing it

down and forcing growth.

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[–] RemixxMG Weightlifting  1

point 2 months ago

Nice. I always love to learn

more of the science behind

the weights. Appreciate it,

man.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1point 2 months ago

Anytime!

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[–]  manskies  1 point 2 months ago

As a vegetarian myself, I find it hard to

hard to stay off carbs. I always eat veggie

burgers and I think the buns I eat are

killing my diet, since I'm consuming a lot of carbs. What's your diet like?

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[–]  urection  1 point 2 months ago*

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nice work man and yeah simple lifts and

eating enough calories/protein is 90+% of 

it

I'm more interested in your diet though as

that's the unique part of your story

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks a lot I totally agree with youthere. If you haven't seen it I did write

about my diet in my blog post here

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[–]  SnuggleBunnixoxo Powerlifting  1 point 2

months ago

'Mirin the physique but I couldn't hold back

my chuckle when I saw your hair in the

before pic lol. Big ups on the new doo in

the after pic.

Was it difficult to bulk on a vegetariandiet? I can imagine that eating vegetarian

would require larger portions of food to

meet your macro requirements.

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes it does require larger portions of 

food. If not you really just have to

supplement more. That's why when I

am dieting down I add in some whey

isolate protein powder.

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[–]  TheSyrupCompany  1 point 2 months ago

holy shit that is an impressive

transformation gotta say

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[–]  TheLusciousPickle  1 point 2 months ago

Wow you give slim tall guys like me hope.

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[–]  spalunk  1 point 2 months ago

Nice work, Costanza!

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[–]  unkkk Military  1 point 2 months ago

Do you incorporate any running into your

routine?

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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 months ago

I do sometimes do HIIT once a week. I

have not done it in a while, so I can'tsay all the time. I mainly use my

weightlifting as a form of cardio training

due to the pace I keep in the gym.

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