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Missed Triggers IIReturn of the Forgotten Ones

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What is a Missed Trigger?

• Triggered Ability has to trigger

• Controlling player “forgets” it

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When is a Trigger Forgotten?•Target required•Change in visible game state•Choice required•Rule-changing•Non-visible effect

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What is not a Missed Trigger?

• Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly• Game got rushed past the Trigger• Trigger that makes delayed trigger• Trigger that makes copies• Trigger without impact

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What has changed?

• Missed delayed triggers

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Remedy

Still depends on the situation

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Possible Situations

1. Optional action

• You may

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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

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Optional action

• As a Player: try to remember next time

• As an Opponent: nothing

• As a Judge: nothing

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Possible Situations2. Mandatory Action

• Usually beneficial

• Usually detrimental

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WHO’S THAT

MAGIC CARD?

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Beneficial mandatory trigger•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:

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•Only if asked by Opponent•Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack•No Warnings

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Detrimental mandatory trigger•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:

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•Issue a Warning•Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack if asked

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Possible Situations

3. Default action

• If you don’t.../...unless

• Associated with choice made by controller

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Default action•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:

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•Issue a Warning•Always resolve default action (2 possibilities)•Everything still legal?

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Possible Situations

4. Delayed Trigger

• Changes zone of an object

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Default action•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:

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•Issue a Warning?•Always resolve default action (2 possibilities)•Everything still legal?

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Possible Situations5. You don’t want to

•An ability you control triggers•You know about the trigger•You choose to ignore it

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You don’t want to

•No longer a Missed Trigger

•Unsporting Conduct - Cheating

•Handle it as such

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What about the opponent?•Is never issued a Warning•Can call a Judge:

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•Duration of the effect has not yet expiredOR•Trigger was missed less than a turn ago

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Recapitulation

•Warnings for unintentionally missed detrimental trigger•Only intervene if:

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•Called by the Opponent•You want to issue a Warning•You suspect Shenanigans

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Philosophical Grounds

•Common and invisible

•Remember your own triggers

•Don’t have to play the game for your Opponent

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Adventure Time!

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Adventure I•Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite

•Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp

•Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite

•Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom

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Adventure I

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Adventure I•Both players are now tapped out

•Neville blocks with the Hoplite

•Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies”

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Adventure I•Do you interfere?

•Infraction?

•Ruling?

•Penalties?

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Adventure II•Aragog controls a Desecration Demon•Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped•Aragog says: “declare attack?”•Nagini says: “sure!”•Aragog attacks with the Demon•Nagini calls the Judge

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Adventure II

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Adventure II

•Infraction?

•Ruling?

•Penalties?

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Adventure III

•In Narcissa’s last turn, she casted Akroan Horse an gave it to Arabella

•Arabella untaps, and draws a card

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Adventure III

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Adventure III•Do you interfere?

•Infraction?

•Ruling?

•Penalties?

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Questions?

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