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Missed Triggers IIReturn of the Forgotten Ones
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What is a Missed Trigger?
• Triggered Ability has to trigger
• Controlling player “forgets” it
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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When is a Trigger Forgotten?•Target required•Change in visible game state•Choice required•Rule-changing•Non-visible effect
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What is not a Missed Trigger?
• Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly• Game got rushed past the Trigger• Trigger that makes delayed trigger• Trigger that makes copies• Trigger without impact
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What has changed?
• Missed delayed triggers
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Remedy
Still depends on the situation
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Possible Situations
1. Optional action
• You may
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Optional action
• As a Player: try to remember next time
• As an Opponent: nothing
• As a Judge: nothing
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Possible Situations2. Mandatory Action
• Usually beneficial
• Usually detrimental
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 2nd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OirschotBy Bemindt Jona – 25th November 2012
WHO’S THAT
MAGIC CARD?
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Beneficial mandatory trigger•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Only if asked by Opponent•Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack•No Warnings
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Detrimental mandatory trigger•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Issue a Warning•Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack if asked
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Possible Situations
3. Default action
• If you don’t.../...unless
• Associated with choice made by controller
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Default action•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Issue a Warning•Always resolve default action (2 possibilities)•Everything still legal?
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Possible Situations
4. Delayed Trigger
• Changes zone of an object
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Default action•As a Player: try to remember next time•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge•As a Judge:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Issue a Warning?•Always resolve default action (2 possibilities)•Everything still legal?
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Possible Situations5. You don’t want to
•An ability you control triggers•You know about the trigger•You choose to ignore it
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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You don’t want to
•No longer a Missed Trigger
•Unsporting Conduct - Cheating
•Handle it as such
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What about the opponent?•Is never issued a Warning•Can call a Judge:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Duration of the effect has not yet expiredOR•Trigger was missed less than a turn ago
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Recapitulation
•Warnings for unintentionally missed detrimental trigger•Only intervene if:
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
•Called by the Opponent•You want to issue a Warning•You suspect Shenanigans
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Philosophical Grounds
•Common and invisible
•Remember your own triggers
•Don’t have to play the game for your Opponent
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure Time!
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure I•Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite
•Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp
•Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite
•Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure I
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure I•Both players are now tapped out
•Neville blocks with the Hoplite
•Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies”
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure I•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure II•Aragog controls a Desecration Demon•Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped•Aragog says: “declare attack?”•Nagini says: “sure!”•Aragog attacks with the Demon•Nagini calls the Judge
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure II
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure II
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure III
•In Narcissa’s last turn, she casted Akroan Horse an gave it to Arabella
•Arabella untaps, and draws a card
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure III
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Adventure III•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Questions?
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – OverpeltBy Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
