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  • 1. Missed Triggers II Return of the Forgotten Ones Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 1

2. What is a Missed Trigger? Triggered Ability has to trigger Controlling player forgets it Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 2 3. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 3 4. When is a Trigger Forgotten? Target required Change in visible game state Choice required Rule-changing Non-visible effect Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 4 5. What is not a Missed Trigger? Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly Game got rushed past the Trigger Trigger that makes delayed trigger Trigger that makes copies Trigger without impact Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 5 6. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 6 7. What has changed? Missed delayed triggers Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 7 8. Remedy Still depends on the situation Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 8 9. Possible Situations 1. Optional action You may Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 9 10. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 10 11. Optional action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: nothing As a Judge: nothing Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 11 12. Possible Situations 2. Mandatory Action Usually beneficial Usually detrimental Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 12 13. Seminar on Missed Triggers 2nd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Oirschot By Bemindt Jona 25th November 2012 13 14. Beneficial mandatory trigger As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 14 Only if asked by Opponent Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack No Warnings 15. Detrimental mandatory trigger As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 15 Issue a Warning Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack if asked 16. Possible Situations 3. Default action If you dont.../...unless Associated with choice made by controller Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 16 17. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 17 18. Default action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 18 Issue a Warning Always resolve default action (2 possibilities) Everything still legal? 19. Possible Situations 4. Delayed Trigger Changes zone of an object Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 19 20. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 20 21. Default action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 21 Issue a Warning? Always resolve default action (2 possibilities) Everything still legal? 22. Possible Situations 5. You dont want to An ability you control triggers You know about the trigger You choose to ignore it Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 22 23. You dont want to No longer a Missed Trigger Unsporting Conduct - Cheating Handle it as such Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 23 24. Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 24 25. What about the opponent? Is never issued a Warning Can call a Judge: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 25 Duration of the effect has not yet expired OR Trigger was missed less than a turn ago 26. Recapitulation Warnings for unintentionally missed detrimental trigger Only intervene if: Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 26 Called by the Opponent You want to issue a Warning You suspect Shenanigans 27. Philosophical Grounds Common and invisible Remember your own triggers Dont have to play the game for your Opponent Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 27 28. Adventure Time! Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 28 29. Adventure I Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 29 30. Adventure I Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 30 31. Adventure I Both players are now tapped out Neville blocks with the Hoplite Albus says: ok, so the Hoplite dies Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 31 32. Adventure I Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 32 33. Adventure II Aragog controls a Desecration Demon Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped Aragog says: declare attack? Nagini says: sure! Aragog attacks with the Demon Nagini calls the Judge Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 33 34. Adventure II Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 34 35. Adventure II Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 35 36. Adventure III In Narcissas last turn, she casted Akroan Horse an gave it to Arabella Arabella untaps, and draws a card Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 36 37. Adventure III Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 37 38. Adventure III Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 38 39. Questions? Seminar on Missed Triggers 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference Overpelt By Bemindt Jona 24th November 2013 39