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Reigate, Redhill & District Rail Users Association(Merstham, Redhill, Reigate, Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Nutfield)
RRDRUAResponsetoGTR2018timetableplan
Quotefrom“ThomastheTankEngine”
“I’mashamedofyou,Duncan!”saidSkarloeythatnight.“Youshouldthinkofyourpassengers,notyourself.”“Passengersarejustnuisances.They’realwayscomplaining.”repliedDuncan.“That’snowaytotalk!”saidSkarloey.“Weneedpassengers.NoPassengersmeansnotrains.AndnotrainsmeansnoRailway!”
Key Train Service Cuts• 2006/7 Thameslink main line trains removed to allow
Brighton to Thameslink to be cut by 10 minutes• Slower trains introduced to replace Thameslink• 2012-2014 Peak Services to London Bridge cut to allow
other lines to keep services – services given extended journey times
• 2016 Arun Valley Trains removed to save 5 minutes journey time
• 2016 Journey Times to London Bridge extended• 2018 Journey times extended to Victoria and London
Bridge
2014November– Stakeholdermeeting
DavidScorey– PassengerServiceDirector,SouthernRailway
WhendiscussingthecutstoServicesRedhillfacedhepromisedthat
“in2018theservicefromRedhillwillbemarkedlyimprovedontodaysservices”
It's REDHILL LINE's turn
What'sonoffer=NewServicePlanin2018• ProposedRecastServiceoverallinferiorto2012fromRedhill• LondonBridge– ManyJourneytimescutfrom34to31minutes(fromRedhill)bychangingstoppingpatternshoweverpeakfasttrainsgone(25mins)
• AllLondonBridgetrainsextendthroughThameslink• LondonVictoria– JourneytimesfromRedhillincreasedfrom28minuteto39minutes(40%increase)
• Reigate– optionofpeakshuttleorlimitedthroughtrains• FewertrainstoCrawley/ThreeBridgesthan2012and2016• NotrainstoSouthCoastatall• LossofVictoriatrainsfromEarlswood&Salfords(&Horley?)
What’s Better
• AllLondonBridgetrainsextendthroughThameslink
• MersthamandCoulsdonSouthswap4trainsperhourtoLondonBridgefor2trainsperhourtoLondonBridge/Thameslinkand2toVictoria– samenumberoftrainsbutmoreVariety
• AdditionalEveningservice’sfromThameslink/LondonBridge
PassengersRequired
• Reigatehaspassengerswantingthroughtrains• RedhillhaspassengerswhowanttogettoVictoriain28minutes• LocalBusinesseswantcommutersfromBrightonandSussextocometoRedhill&Reigateforwork
• Earlswoodand Salfords commuterswanttogotoVictoria• Redhill/Sussextrafficneedspassengerstousetrainstocutroadcongestion
• RegularFastandStoppingservicestobothLondonBridgeandLondonVictoria(differentmarkets)
• Stoppingpatternsrepeat7daysaweekalldayasmuchaspossible• Reigatehashighpotentialformorepassengerssoneedsdecentservice
• SouthCoastServicesalongtheBrightonMainLine
Whatservicedoesourlineneedtoimprove
EffectofweakservicesalongRedhillline
• Commutersmoveaway• Overcrowding• UnreliableService
• Housepricesfall• ManyNewHousesbeingbuilt,4,500announcedforRedhilllastweek
• Shopsclose• Redhillregenerationcouldfail• LocalBusinessescan’tfindstaffthus
• Businessmovesawayandnewbusinessdoesn’tcome
FocusonReigate• PassengersatReigatehavedoubled sinceintroductionofalldayservice• CurrentGTRService
• MontoSatDaytimehourlyservicetoLondonVictoria(fastRDHtoECR)• ExtraPeakservicestoLondonBridgeandLondonVictoria• EveningshuttlestoRedhill• Sunday– noservice
• ProposedService• RetainMontoSatHourlyServicetoVictoriabutextendjourneytimeby11minutes• PeakServices– either1tphVictoriaor3tphshuttles• Evening– either1tphVictoriaor2tphshuttles• Sundays- either1tphVictoriaor2tphshuttles
TheproblemwithShuttles
•They get constantly Cancelled
• Whybecauseonlytwostationsareaffected(inrealityjustone)• EasiertodealwiththancancellationsthroughEastCroydon
FocusonReigate(2)• Neitherproposalisacceptable
• RRDRUA Proposal – 2 trains per hour to London 7 days per week
• ThereishugeuntappedpassengerdemandatReigate• RRDRUAsurveyedourmemberslivinginReigate–
• Justover50%traveltoRedhill/Merstham/EarlswoodforLondon• 65%morewoulduseReigateifservicesweremorefrequent
• ThiscausestrafficcongestionandoverloadingofcarparksaroundRedhillstation• IfrepeatedacrosspassengerbasethenusageofReigatecoulddoubleormoreifextraLondonservices
• Serviceneedstobeincreasedthroughoutday&eveningtoensureconvenienceforpassengers• MostpassengersfromReigatearewithinwalkingdistanceofStation
FocusonRedhill
• Returnof4LondonBridgeperhourwelcome• VictoriaProposalisUnacceptable– 40%increaseinjourneytime• Victoriaismainoff-peakandweekenddestination• Over50%oftravellerswillsuffertheextendedjourneytimes– ourestimate4,000perday
• Lessregularserviceshouldbefasterservicenototherwayround• ThischangeseriouslyeffectstheservicelevelsfromRedhillline,thewellbeingofthousandsofpassengersandissimplynotacceptable.
FocusonEarlswood,SalfordsandHorley• RegularThameslinktrainswelcome• 4trainsperhourmorning/eveningpeaktoThameslinkgreat• LossofPeakVictoriaservicenotacceptable• NoreturnforEveningVictoriaserviceslostin2012unwelcome• Proposal– HourlytraintoVictoriabasedonsplittingwithReigatetrain
• CouldstilldowithproperstationstaffatEarlswoodandSalfords• UncertaintyoverdirectVictoriaservicefromHorleyworrying
FocusonMerstham&TonbridgeBranch
Merstham• Lossofregular4trainsperhourtoLondonBridgeremovesturnupandgoaspect
• PositivethatVictoriatrainsreturn
TonbridgeBranch• NoChanges
ReigateProposal– SolutionwithPlatform3• ReigatepassengerswantLondonBridgeservicesby2to1inRRDRUAsurveyofourmembers
• Keyreasonforlackofservicesisplatform3• CanGTRworkwithNetworkRailtobringPlatform3forward?• GTRwillmakepromiseforThameslinkdiversiontoReigateifplatform3built(BedfordtoGatwickservicesgotoReigate)?
• IfBedfordtoReigateservicestartsthenVictoriaservicecoulddiverttoGatwickandserveEarlswood,SalfordsandHorleywithneededlongertrains
• SurreyCC&Reigate/BansteadCouncilfullysupportplatform3• SurreyCC/R&Bcouldfindfundstoassistwithextraplatform?
ReigateProposal– withoutplatform3
• Half-hourlyservicetoVictoriaMontoSatincludingevenings• CombinetrainsatRedhill(LikeatPurleywithCat/Tats)
• FirstHalfhourtoTonbridge• SecondHalfhourtoGatwickCallingatEWD,SAF&HOR
• Combiningtrainsmeans8or12coachtrainsthroughEastCroydontoVictoriabetterthantodays4coachtrains
• Half-hourlyservicewillmeanmorepassengersusingReigate• MaintainsTonbridgeService&AddnewELD/SAF/HORVictoriaservice
• AfterPlatform3– FulltraintoGatwickorTonbridge
FocusSouthCoast&Brighton
• Southern/ThameslinkhavesystematicallycutRedhillLineofffromtheSouthCoastsince2007 (duetoinsufficientinfrastructureinvestmentbyDfT)
• LocalBusinessneedcommuters/passengersfromtheSouth.NoticeddeclinesinceArunValleytrainsdiverted
• CommuterstoThreeBridges,HaywardsHeathandBrightoncan’tusetrainsserviceduetocomplexchanges
• ForReigateitisatwochangepropositiontoheadSouth• Hencepeopletendtodrive
FocusSouthCoast&Brighton(2)• WhydoesRedhilllineneedaserviceto/fromBrighton?• TherearekeyemploymentcentresatGatwick/ThreeBridges,HaywardsHeath,BurgessHillandBrightonthatthereisaneedtocommuteto
• RedhillandReigatearekeyemploymentareasandstaffneedtobeabletoaccesstheareadirectlybytrain.IftherewasaBrightontrain,thenRedhillwouldhavedirectconnectionandReigatewithonechange
• TheproposedsituationmeansthatacommuterfromRedhillDistrict/ReigatetoBrightoniseffectivelyforcedontocarstogettowork.ItalsowillmakeitdifficultforReigateandRedhillbusinessestoattractlabourfromtheSouthwhichwouldbebeneficialforthesebusinesses
• Withplanningrestrictionsoncarparkingspacesatofficesbeingenforcedbusinessesareincreasinglylookingtogetpeopletocometoworkbytrain.NothavingdirectserviceswillmakeRedhillandReigatelessattractivetobusinessesandalsotocommuters.
FocusSouthCoast&Brighton(3)
Stations on Brighton Main Line from Purley to Brighton
Main Station - Sizes 2018 timetable proposed: -
London Direction Other direction
Pass Nos:
Trains to Victoria
Trains to LBG
Trains to Brighton
Trains to Gatwick
Major Stations
Brighton 19.0 4.0 4.0 n/a 8.0 Gatwick Airport 18.5 10.0 8.0 8.0 n/a
Large StationsHaywards Heath 5.1 4.0 4.0 6.0 8.0 Redhill 4.7 2.0 4.0 5.0 Three Bridges 4.1 2.0 6.0 4.0 8.0 Purley 3.8 4.0 6.0 4.0
Minor StationsBurgess Hill 1.7 1.0 4.0 5.0 4.0 Coulsdon South 1.7 2.0 2.0 2.0 Hassocks 1.3 1.0 2.0 3.0 3.0 Horley 0.9 1.0 2.0 1.0 3.0 Merstham 0.7 2.0 2.0 2.0 Earlswood 0.5 2.0 2.0 Wivelsfield 0.5 1.0 2.0 2.0 3.0 Preston Park 0.4 1.0 2.0 2.0 3.0 Balcombe 0.1 2.0 2.0 2.0 Salfords 0.1 2.0 2.0
FocusSouthCoast&Brighton(4)
RRDRUA Proposal – 2 trains per hour to call on London Victoria to Brighton route• WeproposetheSemi-fastSoutherntrainfromLondontoBrightoncallatRedhill,Gatwick,ThreeBridges,BurgessHillandBrighton
• Smalladjustmentsinothertrainstoallowthis• ProvidesRedhillwithhalf-hourlyservicetoBrightonthroughouttheday(hourlySundayasnow)
• BrightonhasfastGatExservicefromLondonVictoria(callsGatwickonly)plus4trainsperhourfromLondonBridge/Thamestink,soextra9minutesonsemi-fastwon’tbeanissue.
SummaryofproposalsaboveGTRproposals
• ReigateservedhalfhourlyfromLondon7daysaweek• ServicetoReigatesplitsatRedhillwithservicesalternatelytoTonbridgeorGatwick(callingatEarlswood,SalfordsandHorley)
• Semi-fastBrightontraincalladditionallyatRedhill– halfhourlyinweekandhourlyonSunday
• IfBrightontraincannotbeadded,dateforservicetobeadded.ReigatetraintorunfasttoEastCroydonandThameslinktrainspickupMerstham,CouldonSouthandPurleystops.
Conclusion
• GTRshouldsticktopromisesmadeandimprovetrainservicealongtheRedhillline
• Providethetrainsandpassengerswillfillthem– plentyofpotential
• Massivehouseconstructionwillneedadditionaltrains
• Welookforwardtothesummerupdatewithallourproposalsincluded.