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Please help me understand this?

Please help me understand why this is a reserve piece thtat's swiss made like Invicta has

always preeched. I thought all reserve time pieces were swiss made and hand

assembled??? Please give me better understanding has to what is going on now???

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Invicta Men's Reserve Ocean Speedway Automatic Chronograph Stainless Steel Bracelet

Watch - J401750

ShopNBC Price: $965.00 Retail value: $1,595.00

Invicta Men's Reserve Ocean Speedway Automatic Chronograph Stainless Steel Bracelet

Watch Invicta's Reserve Speedway stylishly completes your ensemble, regardless of where you

are headed! The round silver-tone stainless steel case shows a charcoal unidirectional rotating

bezel. A special exhibition back reveals the Japanese NE78A Automatic Chronograph

movement w/ 34 jewels.

The round black carbon fiber dial displays luminous Tritnite index markers in all hour

positions. Tritnite hour, minute and chronograph hands point out the time with ease. A seconds

subdial near 2:00, an hour subdial near 6:00 and a minute subdial near 10:00 complete the

composition. An extended date window appears from 4:00 to 5:00.

The silver-tone stainless steel bracelet secures with a push button dual deployant clasp.

Versatile and ready for every occasion, Invicta's Reserve Speedway can now be a staple in your

look!

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power an automatic timepiece. The open design offers a first-hand, insider's view that is

becoming increasingly popular. The distinct style appeals to veteran watch aficionados and a

new generation of horologists looking for up-to-the-minute designs.

Bracelet: Stainless Steel

Movement: Japanese NE78A Automatic Chronograph w/ 34 jewels

Crystal: Flame Fusion

Crown: Push/Pull w/ Function Pushers

Clasp: Push Button Dual Deployant

Bracelet Measurements: 9" L x 24mm W

Case Measurements: 47mm

Water Resistance: 10 ATM - 100 meters - 330 feet

Model Number: 0741

UPC: 843836007412

Warranty: This timepiece comes with a five year warranty from Invicta, which should be

activated by registering on Invicta's website. If you choose not to register the watch online,

please keep your original ShopNBC invoice. This must be included if the watch is sent in for

repair. Additional Features: Watch comes packaged in Invicta watch box two, including

instruction manual and warranty information.

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Things have changed. It started with the Lupah Reserve. Why? I don't know. But, it

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Originally Posted by meijin

Great news folks! Eyal has been in meetings with SNBC all week getting ready for the

upcoming Spring Forward event next month. One of the things to come out of those meetings

is a surprise deal on the Ocean Speedway and it is going to release tomorrow with a very

special and unexpected price!

This incredible new Reserve piece boasts the SII NE78A automatic chronograph movement.

This is a very new and VERY expensive (more than a Valjoux 7750) 36,000 vph high-beat

automatic chronograph movement. This movement was developed by the same team that

brought you the Seiko Spring Drive (SII being a part of Seiko).

This is one I cannot wait to present!

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Originally Posted by meijin

Nope, that was never said. As a matter of fact, Eyal himself said on air when the Reserve

Lupah debuted just the opposite. That would always put the best we can into the Reserve line

and that would not always be Swiss movements...as is the case with the NE78A.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

No...we have used non-Swiss movements in other Reserve watches. As I have already stated in

this thread. The Reserve Lupah had the SII NE20 automatic in it almost 2 years ago. Case in

point is the upcoming tourbillons that we have coming out. Reserve pieces with totally

customized Chinese tourbillons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

Not all Reserve pieces are Swiss Made. For instance, we put the Seiko NE20 into the Reserve

Lupah. Built the same way in the same factories, but such a movement prevents the watch from

qualifying as Swiss Made.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

Not hardly. Quite the opposite actually. This watch operates at 36,000 beats per hour. Other

similar movements (such as the Valjoux 7750) operate at 28,800 beats per hour or lower.

The only major brands putting out such high-beat movements are Zenith and

Favre-Leuba. Chopard (and I believe a few others) have some in the works, but are not on the

market yet. TAG's 360 chronograph is a high-beat, but it uses a Zenith calibre movement in it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

Hmmmm...really? Except that it has already been done. Almost two years ago with another

very high end movement. Reserve Lupah.

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I am sorry that you are mistaken concerning the Reserve timepieces. Not all of them are

Swiss made and this has been the case for some time. Case in point, the Reserve Lupah

that we released almost two years ago. Made the same way in the same factories as the

Swiss made versions, but with a non-Swiss movement. That one used the SII NE20

movement. Non-Swiss movement, not a Swiss Made watch. And it will be the same in the

future. Take for example our customized tourbillons that we have coming out. They are

Chinese tourbillons going into Reserve watches. Same factories and methods, but with a

non-Swiss movement. Therefore, not a Swiss Made timepiece.

The vast majority of the Reserve pieces are Swiss made. But, when it comes to a movement

as special as the SII NE78A, then (as Eyal says) we are going to put it in the best and most

appropriate watch.

Hope that helps you.

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There are many, many threads regarding what many loyal Invicta customers regard as the

lowered standards of the Reserve line, which initially was touted as all Swiss Made, hand

assembled, small production numbers, sapphire crystals, only Swiss movements, and so on. For

the few who know best. As Victor said, things have changed for Invicta Reserve. The prices on

Reserve watches have also gone down. And this has been the case for a while now, it's not a

brand-new change. But for the sake of education, enjoy this video from one of the very first

Reserve shows. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34530240832555

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

I am sorry that you are mistaken concerning the Reserve timepieces. Not all of them are Swiss

made and this has been the case for some time. Case in point, the Reserve Lupah that we

released almost two years ago. Made the same way in the same factories as the Swiss made

versions, but with a non-Swiss movement. That one used the SII NE20 movement. Non-Swiss

movement, not a Swiss Made watch. And it will be the same in the future. Take for example

our customized tourbillons that we have coming out. They are Chinese tourbillons going into

Reserve watches. Same factories and methods, but with a non-Swiss movement. Therefore, not

a Swiss Made timepiece.

The vast majority of the Reserve pieces are Swiss made. But, when it comes to a movement as

special as the SII NE78A, then (as Eyal says) we are going to put it in the best and most

appropriate watch.

Hope that helps you.

I own the reserve lupah, and I'm happy to own it AND the m'ment inside of it is just fine with

me. Some Japan autos work excellent --- this is JMO.

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I own the reserve lupah, and I'm happy to own it AND the m'ment inside of it is just fine with

me. Some Japan autos work excellent --- this is JMO.

Totally agree and the only reason I sold mine was with the Sandstone it ended up being more on

the dressy side and I just didn't wear it much. I really like that movement in the reserve Lupah

though and it was very accurate and would like to see it in other watches at some point.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alwaystenpastten

There are many, many threads regarding what many loyal Invicta customers regard as the

lowered standards of the Reserve line, which initially was touted as all Swiss Made, hand

assembled, small production numbers, sapphire crystals, only Swiss movements, and so on.

For the few who know best. As Victor said, things have changed for Invicta Reserve. And this

has been the case for a while now, it's not a brand-new change. But for the sake of education,

enjoy this video from one of the very first Reserve shows.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34530240832555

Well, the only problem with your post and that video is that it is never said that every Reserve

watch was going to be Swiss Made.

The only difference with watches like the Reserve Lupah and the Ocean Speedway is the

movement. In the case of the Ocean Speedway, this is a very complex, very difficult to get, very

expensive and very exclusive movement (the NE78A). Everything else is built that same way as

a Swiss Made Reserve. Same people are making them. Same materials are used in them. Same

factories are used. The only difference is the movement. If you feel as though that the used of a

movement like the NE78A is some how down grading the Reserve line, then feel free not to

purchase it. As for Invicta, we will still continue to put the best movements in these watches like

the SII NE78A.

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This is a good post for those, like myself that thought they heard the original definition of the

Reserve line and how that differs from "todays" version.

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All I have to say is stop buying watches just because of the words on the dial. Do you even

know how much a Seiko spring drive goes for? This movement must be pretty nice.

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All I have to say is stop buying watches just because of the words on the dial. Do you even

know how much a Seiko spring drive goes for? This movement must be pretty nice.

Just to be clear here...the NE78A is NOT a type of Spring Drive movement. There are

connections via the team that developed the Spring Drive, but it is not the same technology. I

just want to make sure that everyone is clear on that.

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Just to be clear here...the NE78A is NOT a type of Spring Drive movement. There are

connections via the team that developed the Spring Drive, but it is not the same technology. I

just want to make sure that everyone is clear on that.

Thanks Mike, I understood that was just pointing out or least trying to is that if there are team

connections between the spring drive technology and the NE78A than the NE78A would have to

be one hell of a movement to be in the Reserve collection making the swiss made on the dial the

minor factor.

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Quote:

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Well, the only problem with your post and that video is that it is never said that every Reserve

watch was going to be Swiss Made.

The only difference with watches like the Reserve Lupah and the Ocean Speedway is the

movement. In the case of the Ocean Speedway, this is a very complex, very difficult to get, very

expensive and very exclusive movement (the NE78A). Everything else is built that same way as

a Swiss Made Reserve. Same people are making them. Same materials are used in them. Same

factories are used. The only difference is the movement. If you feel as though that the used of a

movement like the NE78A is some how down grading the Reserve line, then feel free not to

purchase it. As for Invicta, we will still continue to put the best movements in these watches

like the SII NE78A.

Just to be clear in my own mind, are you saying that it was never said on air that the Reserve

line would be all "Swiss Made"?

Personally, I absolutely no problem with changing the direction of the Reserve line, but I'm

pretty sure that it was said on air that the Reserve line was all Swiss Made.

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It was never said quote un-quote that "all Invicta Reserve are Swiss Made". What HAS been

said (up until as recently as LAST WEEK on air) has been "you are buying into the Reserve line

which means all Swiss Made, all hand assembled" etc. That phrasing translates to "you buy X,

you get X". It doesn't say "on THIS X watch, you get THIS X" rather it infers a generalization to

ALL items in that line.

It would be nice if generalizations regarding the Reserve line be avoided when presenting or

talking about them so that this confusion does not keep happening. It doesn't personally bother

me because I do a lot of research on anything I buy so I know what I'm buying inside and out

before I do, but for some they hear that and assume all Reserve pieces carry those traits....and

there is no reason they shouldn't-because that's the way its being phrased.

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Most reserve Timepieces..at least the ones I have, are Swiss

Made....For the movement, alone you should buy this

timepiece..

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Quote:

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Just to be clear in my own mind, are you saying that it was never said on air that the Reserve

line would be all "Swiss Made"?

Personally, I absolutely no problem with changing the direction of the Reserve line, but I'm

pretty sure that it was said on air that the Reserve line was all Swiss Made.

I know I have heard countless times Both Jim and Eyal say "What you are getting with a

Reserve timepiece.... hand assembled, Swiss Made....". Clearly the implication (at least how I

had perceived it) is that the Reserve line as a whole is Swiss Made.

Whether or not they were actually presenting a Swiss Made watch (in hand) at that moment is

irrelevant. The commentary was made as a general statement for all Reserve pieces.

To the OP... you have to treat each piece on a case-by case basis. Personally, I do not really care

one way or another where the IR comes from, so long as it represents the best of Invicta (which I

think it still does). FWIW some of my best timepieces come from Japan and China (Citizen and

Android respectively). But there ARE collectors who value swiss made pieces in their

collection, and I completely respect that too.

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Most times they are Swiss Made but nothing is 100% , the fact what

Eyal always says is the Best materials available to them are used in

the Reserve line , Hand Made and Assembled by certain members of

the staff (ONLY) . The fact is if it is not a swiss movement used in the

Reserve watch you can be sure the movement that is used will be a

real good one.

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