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P169 ISSUES REGISTER

P169 DEVELOPMENT OF THE CERTIFICATE IV IN DRAFTING

Industry Validation and Feedback: Draft 2 Version 2 (D2V2) Following a meeting of the PSC on Thursday 30th January 2014, agreed changes or updates to the units and qualification were implemented. The units and qualification were then uploaded to the CPSISC website and industry feedback invited. The closing date for feedback to the D2V2 units was Friday 28th February 2014. Comments and suggestions received have been added to the Issues Register – see date column of the register to identify feedback received during this phase, noted as ‘D2V2 feedback’. To assist in locating feedback received at the D2V2 stage of the project, readers should search for the term ‘D2V2’. The first occurrence of feedback at the D2V2 stage appears on page 27.

Most of the feedback received was positive. All suggestions have been responded to in the Issues Register, including some suggestions that have been previously discussed at length by the PSC and determined including the name of the qualification, the decision to not split the units between residential and commercial and the use of BIM.

Those suggestions the PSC is asked to consider and determine include:

Adding suggested range items to the unit 4009 Analyse building design drawings Adding suggested range items to the unit 4010 Prepare documentation for planning approval Adding suggested range items to the unit 4013 Produce construction detail drawings

Revision of Packaging RulesFeedback received during the public validation phase of D2V2 units and qualification, revealed that the unit CPCCOHS2001A Apply OHS requirements, policies and procedures in the construction industry, (a proposed core unit of the Certificate IV in Building design drafting) was not appropriate for those performing the role of a drafter for a range of reasons, including requiring access to live building sites. Following consultation with all PSC members, it was agreed that the unit would be removed from the proposed core and the packaging rules amended as follows:

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1. Change the current 10 Core and 5 Elective Packing Rules to 9 Core and 6 Electives2. Move CPCCOHS2001A out of the Core and into the Elective Pool3. Add CPCCOHS1001A Work safely in the construction industry to the Elective Pool to provide a simpler option for

Drafters who need access to construction site.

Update to Issues Register: Production of D2 V2 unitsFollowing a meeting of the PSC to discuss first draft units, work commenced on producing second drafts to reflect the agreed decisions of the PSC. As this qualification will be the first of those CPSISC qualifications to go through endorsement under the new standards for Training Packages, it was deemed prudent to have the second draft units evaluated by an NSSC QA panel member and to address any areas highlighted as requiring further attention. This was done, and work was commenced on further refining the second draft units. A technical sub-committee of the PSC was formed to provide technical advice on the content of the units and to ensure the correct balance was achieved of fulfilling NSSC requirements and meeting industry requirements. The prime changes to the units have involved:

Increasing specificity across each unit and its Assessment Requirements Increasing consistency across each unit’s Application, Elements and PCs, Range of Conditions and Assessment

Requirements Increasing consistency between the Performance Evidence and Knowledge Evidence in the Assessment

Requirements Improving the wording of the Foundation Skills to reflect the content of the unit.In the Assessment Requirements of each unit, there is now the common requirement to demonstrate competency across 3 building projects as defined by the Building Code of Australia, at least one of which must include a class 10 component:

One class 1building One class 2 building



One building selected from classes 3 to 9

At least one of the building projects must be 2 storeys and one building project must be 3 storeys or more.

This has ensured greater specificity and clarity regarding what constitutes competency and the corresponding Knowledge Evidence section has been revised to ensure it also provides the specificity and clarity for what knowledge must be assessed.

The Range of Conditions for each unit have been further scrutinised to ensure they contain only those items which ‘must’ be included in assessment and which apply across all projects and all jursidictions.

As a further update, the unit CPCPCM4003A Produce 2-D architectural drawings using CAD software is now replaced by CPPBDN5017A Produce 2-D drawings for building design projects using CAD software, which was endorsed on the 5th of December 2013.



Issues Register – first drafts

Summary of findings and advice

Feedback was received from 18 proponents and a high level of support was provided for the vast majority of units and the qualification. A small number of proponents (4 in total) provided detailed feedback seeking more substantial changes. These were from two officers of related industry associations, one RTO and one industry member. In many cases, their feedback has offered useful suggestions to refine units and the PSC will note that such suggestions have been recommended for acceptance. In other cases, some advice has been sought from the PSC regarding inclusions to units and such instances are prefaced in the Comment/Action column with ‘Seek PSC advice’.

The packaging rules:The PSC has to date, agreed with the selection of units for the core and elective pools of the qualification. The issues register shows some differing opinions regarding the composition of core and electives.

In providing the following comments it is recognised that these views are proposed by individual respondents. The PSC is in the best position to take a national overview and make a final decision.

One TAFE NSW proponent believes the core is not reflective of the role of the building design drafter and has suggested a proposed amendment to the core with the addition of several units.

Another proponent (from a WA TAFE), is content with the core but would like the number of electives reduced down to 2 or 3.



Whilst another WA TAFE proponent believes the following four core units of competency should be electives or combined to form two units of competency, presumably due to overlap:

Collect, apply and store building design project information. Set up software and files for building design drafting projects. Import or transpose information from external sources into digital building design drawings. Apply file management processes for safe and effective storage and retrieval of documentation

The PSC is advised that a number of comments were received regarding the need for additional units or their use in the ‘core’ of content about CAD and BIM applications. This matter was discussed extensively at the last PSC meeting and the fact that the use of CAD and BIM software is intrinsic to and embedded within a number of functional units. Comments regarding explicit units about software use are often made (in this and other projects) given their historic appearance in state-based curricula. What is clear, however, is that at implementation advice need to be provided to RTOs to inform them of methods to ‘unpack’ and interpret units of competency and plan classroom based delivery which will enable appropriate focus on the ‘enabling’ skills of CAD and BIM usage.

The PSC is requested therefore to consider the core and electives of the qualification and provide confirmed feedback to the technical developers in preparation for the next iteration of the qualification.



Residential versus Commercial focusA small number of proponents (3 in total) commented on the need for a split between a residential and commercial focus, however our advice is to retain the structure of the units and qualification as they are currently.

It is the view of the technical developers that there is possibly a lack of understanding among some stakeholders that a unit of competency is not a training delivery tool. Training providers are required to ‘unpack’ units of competency and to deliver in some cases a range of subjects to cover the scope of a unit of competency. This lack of awareness is evident in, for example, the suggestion that the unit ‘Apply compliance requirements to technical construction documentation’ was too big to be a single unit and should be split to provide a residential and commercial focus. The technical developers believe that it would be perfectly feasible for an RTO to deliver the relevant parts of the NCC/BCA to cover legislation pertaining to commercial and residential building, in order to deliver the skills within the unit. It is recommended therefore that the unit remain a single unit however, the PSC is asked to discuss and confirm its position on this point.

The Issues Register table which follows, provides an opportunity for consideration and finalisation of this matter by the members of the PSC.

The Draft 1 Units of Competency

Foundation skillsThe technical writers and CPSISC will be meeting prior to the development of Draft 2 units to agree on the required consistent approach to addressing foundation skills. As a result, where feedback or comments have been received regarding Foundation Skills, the response has indicated that a consistent approach agreed to by CPSISC and the PSC will be finalised prior to work on the Draft 2 units. Other comments regarding inconsistency in the language used across some units’ Application has been acknowledged and again, the technical writers will address this prior to commencing writing of Draft 2 units.



Assessment requirementsDue to some comments received indicating insufficient or unclear assessment requirements, the PSC is asked to consider the adequacy of the assessment requirements and performance evidence including the frequency of tasks required to demonstrate competence, in the following units:

Apply compliance requirements to technical construction documentation.

Currently, Draft 1 of this unit requires:

‘A person demonstrating competency in this unit must be able to provide evidence of the ability to apply relevant construction codes and standards to documentation for a minimum of four building projects (two residential and two commercial or industrial)…’

Proposal by one proponent:It was suggested by one proponent that the two residential projects should include one single and one double storey dwelling, while the two commercial or industrial should include one Class 2, 3 or 4 & one class 5,6,7,8 or 9 Type C Construction under 2000m².

Collect, apply and store building design project information

Currently, Draft 1 of this unit requires:

A person demonstrating competency in this unit must be able to provide evidence of the ability to collect, apply and store information for three different building design projects, including:• applying and maintaining project file naming and storage systems, including systems for monitoring file removals

and amendments • collecting, reviewing and filing documentation relating to:

client requirements site-specific compliance requirements



site location characteristics existing site infrastructure and services

• providing summarised information to project designer and team, as required• following procedures to ensure relevant information is incorporated into the design process, as directed.

Combining units of competencyThree proponents (2 TAFE, 1 industry), believe that the following two units duplicate content and should be combined into one unit:

• Collect, apply and store building design project documentation• Apply file management processes for safe and effective storage and retrieval of documentation

One additional proponent (industry association) suggests that ‘Collect, apply and store building design project documentation’ should actually be one element in the units:

• Prepare documentation for building approval• Prepare documentation required for planning approval

The PSC is therefore asked to consider the above proposals.



Other issues – seeking PSC adviceThe PSC is asked to review in detail, those areas flagged as ‘Seek PSC advice’. These sections relate to a variety of questions the developers believed the PSC would be best qualified to answer. They relate in some cases to questions of whether suggested content is accepted industry wide as well as questions relating to the focus of the qualification and specific units.



Insert Project Number and Name: P169 Development of a Certificate IV in DraftingTraining Package: CPP07The Issues Register records issues raised throughout the consultation, development and validation processes. The Scoping and Strategy Report forms part of the Issues Register (often as an attachment). Issues raised at PSC meetings and the consequent actions are to be recorded in the Issues Register.

Delivery issues

Topic – No delivery issues were raisedGeneral issues

Topic: PathwaysNo

Date Type of Stakeholder (i.e. RTO)

Issue Comment/Action PSC Decision

1 15-10-12 RTO - NSW We are always looking at pathways for high school students to ease them into the higher ed. and VET system. There doesn’t seem to be any pathway into our drafting and design courses at the moment. There is always a call for our team to provide programmes for VET is and we are never able to give high school student a taste of our courses with a certificate 1 or 2 to show for it in the end.

Maybe a certificate I or 2 would involve CAD as the main unit accompanied by some very basic building knowledge or even hand drafting skills to replace technical drawing that still gets taught in some schools.

I know these sounds like a separate project altogether, but one we should probably keep

Thank you for your comments. The developers have been mindful of ensuring that the Certificate IV in Building Design Drafting provides a pathway into the Diploma of Building Design.

No further action required. Agreed



in mind while we are in the process of preparing the new cert. IV qualification. I am not sure what the demand for VETIS is in other states, but it’s big here in the NT.

2. 30-05-13 Government, WA RANGE OF CONDITIONS: This field is optional for ISC’s to include yet if it is included it should only list items that are essential conditions which in essence the learner would need to be assessed against. It should not be called RANGE OF CONDITIONS yet ESSENTIAL CONDITIONS, I realise the title is miss leading. This leads back to NSSC intent that only mandatory items be included in the endorsed component of a training package.

Thank you for your comments however changes to mandated text within a unit of competency, is not permissible.


3. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Unit: Produce digital building design documentation for client approval.

Element 1.Produce building design sketches. And Pcs…It should be noted that this appears to cater for the presentation component and will require sufficient time to learn the appropriate software to achieve this.

Thank you for your comment.No further action required. Agreed

4. 11-06-13 RTO, Vic I can’t provide specific comments on either the qualification or the units as they are outside my area of expertise. However, I am interested in how ISCs are approaching the new Standards for Training Packages, particularly the template for designing a unit of competency. I acknowledge that there are no clear guidelines for Foundation Skills

In relation to the wording used for Foundation Skills, this issue is recognised and will be addressed in a separate discussion with CPSISC prior to development of Draft 2 units.

Re: Range of conditions: will be reviewed by editor and amended as required.



(FS), so I can’t be too critical, however I notice there are some inconsistencies in the way FS are presented in different units. Whilst you state in most instances the identified FS are explicit in the performance criteria, some ISCs are actually numbering the performance criteria in which the FS is explicit, or found.

In respect to Range of Conditions, in some instances they appear to more along similar lines to Range Statement, so I question whether there has been detailed thought as to whether they are essential to operating conditions.

In respect to Knowledge Evidence, I would argue that in some instances what is listed is better defined as a skill rather than knowledge. I also feel that some of the knowledge listed is fairly general and it might be difficult for evidence to be provided.

Re Knowledge Evidence: the list of knowledge evidence will be reviewed by the editor and anything considered a skill or simply not knowledge, will be picked up in final draft.

5. 11-06-13 Industry Association (National)

After reviewing the information provided, the Spatial Information & Cartography Commission is of the view that the proposed Certificate IV is a national qualification in drafting for the architectural and building design sectors, and not readily applicable to the spatial information, cartography, GIS, photogrammetry and remote sensing fields. Whilst the tools (software applications) and skills base for this type of work are similar they are unfortunately not the same.If we were to request a “Spatial Certificate IV”, the requirements would need to be

Thank you for your comments.No further action required Agreed



tailored more towards web-based services such as: Google Maps / Earth type map viewers;

Application development using Location Information;

Spatial data management skills for search and retrieval of information.

Equity Issues

No equity issues were raisedQualification Issues

Qualification code and title CPP4XX13 Certificate IV in Building Design DraftingNo



1. 27-05-13 Regulator, Tas Given the accelerating development of Building Information Modelling technology, we recommend that the CPSISC PSC consider including an elective BIM unit(s) of competency in the qualification. It would also be of benefit if those units can be made available to other stakeholders via other qualifications in the Construction Training Package in view of the integrated nature of BIM for project delivery. BIM is both a technology and a process. As a technology, BIM helps stakeholders to visualise what is to be built in a simulated environment to identify potential design, construction or operational issues. As a process, it enables close collaboration and encourages integration of the roles of all stakeholders on a project. Our Board would be interested in feedback from other stakeholders in that regard.

The reference to industry accepted software and building information modelling is embedded throughout many of the units in the qualification.

No further action required Agreed



2. 30-05-13 Government, WA RANGE OF CONDITIONS. This field is optional for ISC’s to include yet if it is include it should only list items that are essential conditions which in essence the learner would need to be assessed against. It should not be called RANGE OF CONDITIONS yet ESSENTIAL CONDITIONS, I realise the title is miss leading. This leads back to NSSC intent that only mandatory items be included in the endorsed component of a training package.

Mandated text in the template for a unit of competency cannot be changed.


3. 04-06-13 RTO, NSW Application of the Unit: Comprehensive vocational relevance of all these units

Elements: Detailed descriptors covering basic requirements of Architectural Drafting requirements

Performance Criteria: Appropriate vocational requirements covered

Required Skills: none

Required Knowledge: none

Evidence Guide: Completion of designated assessment tasks. Graded and non graded

Thank you for your comments however as the comments in relation to the Evidence Guide were not clear it is difficult to provide a response. Certainly, the assessment of evidence is not graded as the candidate must be deemed either competent or not yet competent.


04-06-13 RTO, NSW Qual description: Appropriate to Training Skill

Pathways information: Direct link into Dip of Bldg Design

Licensing or regulatory information: none

Regarding Entry Requirements, it is CPSISC policy that there will be no barriers to entry to a qualification.No further action required Agreed



Entry requirements: Yr 11

Core Units: Well balanced industry relevant composition of units

Elective Units: Good cross range of vocational skills covered

Employability Skills: Technician base level

4. 04-06-13 RTO, NSW Qualification Title: Confusion may arise with Building Design should be “Building Drafting”

Licensing or regulatory information: nil

Entry requirements: From year 11 appropriate

Core Units: acceptable

Elective Units: acceptable

Other Comments: This course ties in well with Building Design and RPL should be given to those that proceed onto Building Design.

Recommendation: No change to title or

description given extensive discussion and prior decision of the PSC.

Recommendation approved

PSC#5 further confirmed the agreed title of the qualification:Certificate IV in Building design drafting.

5. 06-06-13 RTO, SA Qualification Description: Building Design Drafter as a support role for a Building Designer or Architect

Pathways information: No clear path to Diploma of Building Design. Obvious disadvantage to students that choose the Cert IV initially, and then want to go on to the Diploma. Many of the Core units will not

The developers have paid particular attention to ensuring articulation to the Diploma. Five of the units within the Cert IV articulate through to the Diploma. In addition 2 units may be drawn in from the Building Design qualification to make up the electives. Note: Many of the diploma units cover elements of the building designers role that are not required of the drafter



equate to credit for units in the Diploma. Several of the Diploma units (particularly the Core units) should be offered as Cert IV electives. This would allow students to complete the Diploma in 2 years rather than 3 years.

Entry requirements: Reviewed by SATAC

Packaging Rules: Too many Core Units and not enough Electives to make more flexible choices that may lead to the Diploma of Building Design.

Core Units: Unit Title: Collect, apply and store building design project information

Unit Title: Set up software and files for building design drafting projects

Elective Units: The residential design units and the residential working drawings unit from the new Dip of BD should be added to the elective list, in the very least. These are important skills for students wanting to focus on the residential sector, while also allowing for a more flexible pathway to students wanting to continue with the Diploma of Building Design.

Employability Skills: All graduates from the Cert IV in Building Design Drafting, the Diploma of Building Design and a Bachelor of Architecture will commence their working life as a drafter in a support role. At the core

- for example design, client consultationNo further action required

Regarding entry requirements, it is CPSISC policy that there be no barriers to entry.No further action required

Regarding the packaging rules: the qualification meets the flexibility requirements (1/3)No further action required

The Building design unit for the production of working drawings (residential) includes management and supervision of the production of the drawings - this is the designers role, not the drafters.

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed



of each course is how to represent a building in a set of drawings, based on their understanding of design principles, construction knowledge and computer drafting skills. Removing the design skills from the construction and computer skills will not improve the role of the drafter.

Other Comments: We appreciate that the new Certificate IV in Building Design Drafting is a ‘stand-alone’ course, where the graduate should have a broad understanding of all building types. However, in practice, we believe students that want to focus on the residential sector should not be denied design units. Also, an understanding of why design decisions are made (not just analysing them after they have been made), is still a critical skill for a drafter to develop.

Regarding the removal of design skills – the PSC has discussed this point at length and confirmed that the role of the draftsperson is to support the architect or building designer in the production of technical drawings, not to replicate their work as designer. The draftsperson works under the supervision of the architect or building designer.No further action required.

Agreed

6. 06-06-13 RTO, NSW Packaging Rules: Allow more imports from level 5 Building Design such as CPPBDN5011A Produce compliant client-approved working drawings for small-scale residential buildings & CPPBDN5015A Produce compliant client-approved working drawings for non-residential buildings.

These units could substitute for “Prepare documentation for building approval”.

Core Units: Core units are not representative of the role of building design drafters. Suggestion as follows: Core units:

Regarding the differentiation between the Cert IV and the Diploma: the qualification and units have been designed to align with AQF Level 4 and so there is, in terms of application of knowledge and skill, sufficient differentiation from the Diploma of Building Design. The Application of the two qualifications also reflects these differences.With reference to CAD and BIM, the use of industry accepted software including BIM is embedded throughout many of the units.

2 of the electives can be drawn in from the Dip of Building Design.



CPCCOHS2001A Apply OHS requirements, policies and procedures in the construction industry

Analyse construction methods and materials for building design projects.

Apply compliance requirements to technical construction documentation

Import or transpose information from external sources into digital building design drawings

Set up software and files for building design drafting projects

Analyse building design plans and drawings

Prepare documentation for building approval (essential part of drafter role)

Prepare documentation required for planning approval (essential part of drafter role)

CPCPCM4013A Produce 2-D architectural drawings using CAD software

CPPBDN5012A Produce and present 3-D models of small-scale building designs (more specific CAD focus required)

Collect, apply and store building design project information + Apply file management processes for safe and effective storage and retrieval of documentation (combined into one unit due to significant overlap in content)

Elective Units: Elective suggestions:

Provide consultation support to building designer

CPPBDN5007A Inspect and analyse

.

Seek PSC advice As per comments in the

overview, the PSC is requested to consider and confirm the core and electives of the qualification.

Add to core:CPCPCM4013A Produce 2-D architectural drawings using CAD software

Note: code and title will change due to current CIMS project

Move to electives:Analyse building design plans and drawings

No other changes required

18/12/13 NB the above mentioned 2D unit is now replaced by CPPBDN5017A which was endorsed on 5/12/13.



sites and produce measured drawings for small-scale building design projects

CPCCBC4025A Manage personal work priorities and professional development

LMFID5014A Use CAD applications to complete models and documentation for interior design projects

Analyse basic structural integrity of building designs

Produce digital building design documentation for client approval

CPCCBC4015A Prepare specifications for all construction works

Other Comments: There is insufficient differentiation between Level 4 Drafting units and Level 5 Building Design units More emphasis on CAD/BIM drafting/modelling is required throughout this qualification.

7. 06-06-13 RTO, WA The title of this course SHOULD NOT have Building Design in it. This course is replacing what was a national ‘residential drafting course’ for Drafters. Adding ‘building design’ to it may cause confusion with the Diploma of Building Design. This new Cert IV is meant to be a technician’s course while the Diploma is the designer’s course. There are already 2 Cert IV courses on the training.gov website with a similar title but named for their discipline in brackets (Air Conditioning and Engineering). It would seem logical to follow their lead and have a title for this course such as Cert IV in Drafting (Residential) or



Regarding entry requirements, it is CPSISC policy that there be no barriers to entry.No further action required

Regarding the Packaging Rules – the number of units is comparable to other AQF4 qualifications.No further action required


As per above comment, PSC#5 confirmed title of the unit: Certificate IV in Building design drafting

Agreed

Agreed



(Building) or (Architectural).

Qualification Description: The term ‘high rise’ implies Type A buildings which are explicitly not even included in the Diploma course. Use a term like low to medium rise projects. See also comments at the section below for ‘Elective Units’. Otherwise, this Section as written is ok with the above change.

Pathways information: No pathways are noted in the documents circulated. However, a note something like “satisfactory completion of this course will provide a graduate with a pathway into the Diploma of Building Design” could be added,

Licensing or regulatory information: No licensing requirements apply in WA

Entry requirements: No entry requirements are specified although entry to this Cert IV will require satisfactory completion of year 11 in WA.

Packaging Rules: The packaging rules seem excessive when 15 units are required to be completed compared to the 2 year Diploma’s 17.

The 10 core units are ok but can the electives be cut back to 2-3 only?

Elective Units: The number of units needs to

Regarding the number of core to electives: Flexibility rules require that 1/3 of the units are electives. 15 units = 5 electives.Whilst delivery of the qualification is always considered from various perspectives, the design of the qualification has to reflect industry requirements, not the number of potential hours that will be allocated to the course in any one state or territory.No further action required

Regarding Pathways information – the developers will take advice about where this information is best located as part of the new Training Package Review format.

PSC decided the qualification could cover all types of projects

Agreed



be cut back to 2-3 NOT 5. The number of units listed gives a wide appeal which should satisfy most students’ likely tastes for variety or specialisation.

Our biggest issue with the course content though is with the planning and building approval units, both of which say we have to “prepare and produce documentation that complies with planning (and building) approval requirements for all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings”. As this Cert IV will be a one year course of about 800hrs (in WA), it will not be possible to have students cover all project categories in the one year.

This course is replacing a residential drafting course so it has to remain at that level for this new course.

Past discussions with our Industry Reference Groups here in WA have requested a ‘residential’ Drafters’ course in the first instance leaving the commercial and industrial projects to the Diploma.

Residential job opportunities are where most of our graduates get a start in their working life. While some may go on to other project types, a good % will not so we need to adequately prepare them for this role; including other buildings in the limited course time will only reduce their exit level of expertise and training in what will be their



future ‘bread and butter’ work.

Employability Skills: None specified.

Saying it again though, this course should aim to produce graduates for the residential drafting sector only. The other sectors can be picked up in the Diploma of Building Design.

Other Comments - In summary –

1. Remove ‘Building Design’ from the course title.

2. This course has to be a Cert IV in Residential (or Building or Architectural) Drafting course

3. Remove the term ‘high rise’ from the Quals description.

4. Add a reference to this course providing a pathway to the Diploma.

5. Here in WA we will specify the entry requirements as ‘from year 11’ with grades to be specified.

6. Reduce the number of electives from 5 to 2-3 only.

7. Remove any references from any units (and qual. description) that refer to anything other than ‘residential’ projects.

8. 07-06-13 Industry Having reviewed the documentation provided, I felt that I had little to add however when I saw reference to BIM being a recognised medium for the drafter to be familiar with I was getting a little concerned. BIM is probably one of the major changes taking place and influencing industry and academia alike, the issue that I am eluding to

Rather than specify software to be used, many units refer to ‘current industry standard software’ and ‘building information modelling’.No further action required. Agreed



is not simply products like "Autodesc Rivet" that the drafter aught to be familiar with but also a software known as "Navisworks" ( extract below taken from the Autodesc web site): Autodesk® Navisworks® project review software helps architecture, engineering and construction professionals holistically review integrated models and data with stakeholders to gain better control over project outcomes. Integration, analysis and communication tools help teams co-ordinate disciplines, resolve conflicts and plan projects before construction or renovation begins.

It seems to me that although I agree with the documentation to date, I believe that we aught to elaborate a little further on the BIM aspect.

9. 10-06-13 RTO, WA Qualification Title - “Cert IV in Architectural Drafting” seems more exact. Building Design Drafting is ponderous

Qualification Description - Commercial? in first year out from school ?

Pathways information (if used) - Not provided – appears to be only one pathway, working for a building designer ! – see “other comments”

Entry requirements - ??? completion of Yr 11 with well developed skills in…



In relation to the question regarding a commercial focus in the first year out from school – the qualification clearly states that the Cert IV prepares the candidate for a role that supports the building designer or architect.

See previous comments regarding entry requirements.


As per above comment regarding qualification title



Packaging Rules - We hope the electives list will grow over time, however :

Total # of UOC depends on allotted time, assuming this will be a 1 year course.

Some of the cores seem unsuitable as cores, because office procedures and systems will differ. Generic info can be given in short time spans.

There are 4 UOC in electives that we would swap for 4 UOC in cores, as we feel they are more pertinent as essentials.

Why has not more opportunity been taken to use some of the “50911” Diploma UOC – only found one. The qualification as it stands, seems counter- productive in demonstrating available pathways.

Core Units - Following 4 UOC we feel, are not primary essentials and should be in the electives or pulled together into 2 UOC.

Collect, apply and store bd project info.

Set up s/ware and files for bdd projects.

Import & transpose info from external into digital bd drawings.

Apply file management processes…………….

Elective Units - UOC 1,2, and 4,5, (as appearing in the qualification sheet) could sit

See previous comment regarding Pathways Information.

The allocation of time to a UoC is outside the scope and capacity of this project.

The units within the core were identified as providing the skills and knowledge required by all practitioners operating in the role of the draftsperson, across all jurisdictions.

Re: use of more diploma units…the packaging rules allow for up to 2 units to be drawn from other Cert IV or Diploma qualifications in CPP07 or another current training package…(see draft qualification rules for complete wording). In addition one ‘Diploma’ unit is explicitly nominated in the elective pool of the Certificate IV thus increasing the total number of units that can act as a pathway to the Diploma. The technical consultants do not recommend a change to the core.

Seek PSC advice: As per comments in the

overview, the PSC is requested to consider and confirm the core and electives of the qualification.




more comfortably in the Cores.

Employability Skills - Did not find them

Other Comments - The qualification appears to be written to provide a TA for Building Designers. We thought the need was for a person that could fill a drafting position in a variety of employment situations i.e. Designer proprietor, project builder, builder, town planner, Interior Design firm etc.

The new template for units of competency does not list employability skills.

note: code and title will change due to current CIMS project

Move to electives:Analyse building design plans and drawings

No other changes required

18/12/13 NB the above mentioned 2D unit is now replaced by CPPBDN5017A which was endorsed on 5/12/13.

10. 11-06-13 Government Regulator, NSW

Assertion in the FIRST DRAFT Certificate IV in Drafting Specifically the ‘QUALIFICATION MAPPING INFORMATION - No equivalent qualification’ appears to be incorrect. From TAFE NSW (link attached to email) You will see that there are many courses aimed at the Architectural Draftsperson field (NB 11 listed)

Note that there are Nationally Recognised Training courses in: Diploma in Building Design, Vocational Graduate Certificate, Vocational Graduate Diploma.

Consultation also only appears to include Demolition and Concreting Sectors. Should Bricklaying, Roofing, electrical, plumbing etc be included?

The list of courses mentioned by this stakeholder are mainly accredited courses and are approaching their expiry date, hence the industry’s call for a national qualification to replace them.

This qual is a pathway to the Diploma of Building Design.

Consultation with sectors named relates to current projects to review qualifications within those areas. These are projects that are separate to this project.



Benefit in having a Cert IV in Drafting? Perhaps more benefit would be to review existing courses for the purposes of addressing WHS obligations within these courses. In the past universities such as RMIT have done this for their degree courses in building design.

The PSC has approved the Certificate IV in Drafting.


Suggest name change to exclude the term Design as it suggests a role which it is not.

Qualification Description – This qualification provides building design drafters with the competencies required to support building designers or architects. The building design drafter may work on a wide range of building design projects, including high rise commercial projects, but always under the supervision of an appropriately licensed or accredited designer.

The role of the drafter includes using current industry standard building design software to produce drawings and documentation required by clients and stakeholders, and for the planning and building authorisation processes. It also involves researching and applying relevant information, including drawings and reports from other construction professionals and compliance requirements relevant to specific projects. The drafter may also provide administrative support to the design team, including data collection, data storage, and file management.

At the time of endorsement, licensing, legislative, regulatory, certification or



Note that the qualification specifies: No licensing, legislative, regulatory, accreditation or certification requirements apply to this qualification at the time of endorsement


As per above comment regarding qualification title.



accreditation requirements apply to this qualification. (No they do not – must be a building designer ) For further details, check with the relevant licensing bodies in each jurisdiction.

Pathways information - Should be shown but non-existent on qualification information

Licensing or regulatory information - See attached

Entry requirements - Not included but needs to be

Packaging Rules - See attached

Core Units - See attached

Elective Units - See attached

Employability Skills - N/A

See previous comments regarding Pathways Information.

See previous comments regarding entry requirements

12 08-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry association (Qld)

I have looked through most of it and think it is great. Well done.

Thank you for your comment. No action required.


13 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO, NSW Title – appropriate. Description – Clear. Good reference to work under supervision.

Packaging rules – query whether 2 units from another diploma could be additional to CPPBDN5007A in elective units listed.

Core – general good. CPPBDN4003 & 4007 contain significant overlap & should be

Thank you for your comment.

The packaging rules have been developed to ensure the integrity of the qualification and do allow for two other units to be imported. No further action required.

4003 & 4007 – represent separate




combined into one unit.

Add CPPBDN4009 to Core units as drawing analysis is critical part of role.

Electives - Range of electives could be widened to include other options such as Sustainability & Presentation drawings/animations

Other: Some units are not sufficiently differentiated from comparable units in the Diploma Building Design (other than work completed under supervision). Some units include greater content than the level 5 unit as both residential & non-residential covered. eg:

4001 equivalent to 5001A + 5002A



work functions and therefore appropriate to have separate units. No further action required.

PSC #4 confirmed that 4009 Analyse building design drawings to be in elective pool. No further action required.

The Packaging rules allow other units to be drawn in.No further action required.

The units reflect the role of the drafter which is, while working under the supervision and direction of the architect or building designer, to support the design process. The units are not equivalent to the higher level units noted. It should also be understood that the Drafting units have been developed to meet new Standards for Training Packages which require much greater specificity than units previously developed. When the Diploma units are redeveloped, they too will have greater specificity. No further action required.

Recommendations approved

14 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry, QLD Description: I agree that the use of BIM is becoming more important however every design business will not have access to BIM software for a long time and some will never opt to work in BIM. This could disadvantage some students.

Entry requirements; there must be some min

The inclusion of BIM throughout the qualification is supported by the industry at large and PSC. No further action required.

It is CPSISC policy to have no




educational requirements.

Core: re unit Set up BIM software – making BIM a core unit will limit training opportunities in regional areas.

barriers to entry to a qualification. No further action required.

As above – the use of BIM is supported by the PSC. No further action required.

15 28-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO WA Description: In WA, the Cert IV in Residential Drafting course, possibly to be replaced with CPP40144) has supplied graduates for the mass housing market (ie large project home builders). These employers require higher developed skills in single residential developments in preference to class 3 to 9, 3 storey plus developments. The feedback we have received, to date, would indicate these skills would not be required by the main employers of our existing Cert IV graduates. In WA, we currently, have no licensing requirements for the drafting profession.

Core: We have concerns that under the current structure of the course with 10 core units and 5 elective units from other TP’s, none of the core units have outcomes directly related to production/content of drafting of industry specific project types. All units with these outcomes have been labelled elective units. In essence, a student could pass the Cert IV course without completing any drafting specific units. We are aware that we can select electives to suit our local industry, but under mutual recognition between RTO’s we will be required to recognise the Cert IV qualification from other RTO’s which may not include

The qualification has been developed to meet the industry’s requirements nationally and has covered the residential side of drafting well.

The qualification has 5 electives, only 2 of which can be accessed from outside this qualification. As noted in the packaging rules, the selection of elective units:‘…must ensure the integrity of the AQF alignment and contribute to a valid, industry-supported vocational outcome… The RTO would therefore, even under mutual recognition not be required to recognise units not considered valid to the industry if they are not relevant to the qualification / industry outcome. Further, all units in the qualification reflect actual work tasks performed by drafters. Units that particularly cover the creation or editing of drawings




these important units. Units CPPBDN4010, 4011 and 4013 need to be core units.

Other: The language used in the Elements and Performance Criteria, particularly” research, analyse and liaise with stakeholders”, is of concern to us. Under AQF level 4, 2013, Application of knowledge and skills: “Graduates at this level will apply knowledge and skills to demonstrate autonomy, judgement and limited responsibility in known or changing contexts and within established parameters.” These self-directed learning skills, research, analyse and liaise with stakeholders, are more suited to AQF level 8.

include: 4008, 5017And: 4002, 4004.

The units and qualification clearly state the application of the units is to be under the supervision or direction of an architect or building designer.

The developers have had advice on use of these words from a QA panel member. No further action required

16 28-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Association, QLD Title: To make the course more appealing to other potential participants we suggest something like Certificate IV in Building Design Knowledge, for the reasons detailed below.

Description: As an employer group ACAQ are increasingly concerned about the deterioration of practical knowledge learning for the graduates of architecture from the universities (the students we have spoken with us agree). We would like to support a course such as this through the ACA CPD program and also by encouraging architectural practice members to support graduates in enhancing their skills prior to

The PSC has previously confirmed the decision on title. The qualification was designed by industry stakeholder for drafting people. Others are more than welcome to do the training. Industry decided after much discussion what the qualification would be called.

No further action required.

The qualification description adequately describes the competencies within the qualification – no further change required.




registration, and to enhance their chances of employment with this additional knowledge.

We suggest a name change and change of terminology to open up the course and make it sound more desirable to a broader cross section of the architectural community to enrol in and not just drafters.

For instance in the first sentence of qualification description could we see something like –

This qualification provides building design professionals with the competencies required to support, and/or enhance, the skills of building designers and architects

Other: Although we are a Queensland based organisation and have been discussing this type of course with Southbank Institute of Technology in Brisbane, we are aware that branches of ACA in other states are supportive also as we see this as a national educational issue. Thank you for allowing us to make this contribution – we hope it is useful.

Thank you for your comments



Units of Competency Issues

Unit code and title CPCCOHS2001A Apply OHS requirements, policies and procedures in the construction industryNo




Code number incorrect – this code is for read and interpret plans – the correct code is CPCCOHS2001A

Current terminology is WHS

This unit actually emanates from the general construction training package and is totally unrelated to the work of a draftsperson. The majority of the role is office based with a small amount of filed work connected with measure ups. A new unit for both draftspersons and designers is essential to be relevant to the industry. Another option is to remove it completely and ensure that WHS is fully integrated into all units.

Error in code acknowledged and corrected.PSC#2 agreed that this OHS unit should be in the Certificate IV as it is also in the Diploma and would therefore provide the learner with a credit towards the Diploma.No further action required. Agreed

2 10-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry Association (Qld)

I have searched the OHS courses available and now believe that we need a new unit which includes CPCCOHS1001A allowing graduates to safely access sites but with added elements, skills and knowledge to allow them to apply the Code of Practice for Safe Design of Structures. This is a key Code for building designers which is not part of CPCCOHS2001A. The current unit is specifically applicable to work on a construction site and does not relate to the work of a building designer, much less for a building design drafter. I would certainly suggest we re-consider this as a core unit for

Recommendation: Move CPCCOHS2001A out of the Core and into the Elective Pool. Add CPCCOHS1001A to the Elective Pool to provide a simpler option for Draftspeople who need access to construction site. Overall change to packaging rules would therefore be see 10 Core and 5 Electives go to 9 Core and 6 Electives.

PSC agreed to the change via electronic communication with CPSISC Project Manager.



the Diploma but more particularly for the Certificate IV.

Unit code and title CPPAAA4XXXA Analyse construction methods and materials for building design projects.New title: CPPBDN4001 Research and evaluate construction methods and materials for building design projects.No



This unit was reviewed on 18/9/13 by NSSC Quality Assurance Panel member resulting in a number of changes: Title changed to: Research and evaluate construction methods and materials for building design projects Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,

commercial and industrial buildings as defined by the BCA’ ‘Analysis’ changed to ‘evaluation’ throughout unit Increased specificity of the Foundation Skills , Range of Conditions and the Assessment Requirement (Performance Evidence and Knowledge Evidence) Assessment requirements now require assessment to be conducted across 3 buildings (one class 1, one class 2 and one from classes 3 to 9), with at least one

building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Range of conditions for Compliance requirements changed to refer to BCA and specific compliance requirements relevant to the building project Changes agreed to by technical sub-committee on 15/10/13 and further ratified on 18/12/13 PSC#5 agreed to new title of unit: Research and evaluate construction methods and materials for building design projects (formerly Analyse construction methods

and materials for building design projects. PSC#5 agreed to amend the list of Materials in the Range of Conditions to state: 'Materials used for building envelope must include three or more of the following:’

and to amend the list of Services to list only: energy, fire suppression, heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC), telecommunications and water’1. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Element 3. Research systems and

components for services.

I don’t believe ‘Services’ should fall within this Subject – (Construction Methods and Materials). A subject covering ‘Services – General’ (encompassing Waste Water, Storm Water, Electricity, Gas Provisions etc) and the respective considerations would be more appropriate.

Thank you for your comment which will be considered.Seek PSC advice: Review whether ‘services’ in

this unit should constitute a unit of competency on its own or if appropriate to cover within this unit.

No changes required - please leave as is


This is a huge expectation for students as it incorporates the construction methodology of all types of buildings (and should also

See previous comments regarding a residential/commercial split between units and in particular the discussion in the preamble. No further action or



include all Types) suggest needs to be broken up into residential and commercial

Foundation skills - Skills need to be stated in all units

Range of Conditions Characteristics must include the

following, as relevant to the particular material:

fire safety

ASSESSMENT CONDITIONStimeframe:

as per standard specifications for the task

access to:… ??? what does this mean

change recommended.

Re foundation skills – see earlier comment in relation to FS. No further action required

Regarding Range of Conditions: ‘Characteristics’ has included ‘Fire resistance properties’, which covers fire safety. No further action required

Regarding Assessment Conditions: this is an error and will be amended for Draft 2 release.Recommendation: Amend incomplete sentence in

Assessment Conditions

Agreed

Agreed


3. 10-06-13 Industry Association (QLD)

Range Statement:

Characteristics must include the following, as relevant to the particular material:

indoor environment quality sustainability features, such as energy

efficiency, embodied energy Maintenance requirements

Compliance requirements must include:

Planning Schemes

Materials used for structural elements must include:

glass (serviceability loads only) bracing

Regarding range statement suggestions:

Indoor air quality, whilst important is not a materials ‘characteristic’ nor does it relate to materials used for structural elements and so is not an appropriate addition to this list.

Embodied energy is a component of energy efficiency principles and not all building designers and architects are viewing energy efficiency from the perspective of embodied energy.

Services: telecommunications is now broadly understood to include voice and data, therefore there is no need to specify ‘data’.

Water: is understood to encompass



Structural elements must include:

floors (Timber & steel floor framing) slabs (On ground & Suspended) fasteners, tie downs and bracing columns, posts & beams retaining walls

Materials used for building envelope must include:

Concrete (solid & aerated) Polystyrene Insulation(Thermal & Sound) rammed earth

Services must include:

telecommunications (and data) water. (cold & hot water, rainwater

collection) sewerage septic/treatment plants Stormwater Treatment systems &

Detention• Mechanical ventilation

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

compliance requirements relating to construction materials and methods, including: Planning Schemes

State Building Codes

all types of water therefore no need to specify hot and cold etc.

Mechanical ventilation is encompassed in reference to HVAC

Re: suggestions for additional wording in knowledge evidence: State Building Codes is encompassed in ‘State legislation’No further action required

Recommendations: Include maintenance

requirements to the list of ‘characteristics’.

Add ‘planning schemes’ to list of compliance in range

Include ‘planning schemes’ to list of ‘compliance requirements’

Discuss merit of including additional suggested wording for ‘Materials used for structural elements’

Discuss merit of including additional suggested wording for ‘Structural elements’

Add ‘concrete’ to list of materials used for building envelope

Discuss merit of including sewerage, septic/treatment plants, stormwater treatment systems to list of ‘Services’

Agreed


Do not add planning schemes - (Note: apply throughout all units)

No changes required - please leave as is(Note: apply throughout all units)



4 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO, NSW Suggest breaking this unit into 2 units residential and non-residential. Comparable units in Diploma CPPBDN5001A + 5002A.

See previous comments regarding a residential/commercial split between units and in particular the discussion in the preamble.No further action required


5 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Application – change BCA to NCC.

What is the definition of a building designer? In Qld a BD is recognised in legislation but this is not the case in other states and territories. This needs to be clarified.

PC 1.1 change BCA to NCC

PC 1.3 Compliance requirements should include: understand DTS and Alt Solutions. Evidence of suitability of materials and construction methods. Certificate of conformity or Cert of accreditation.

PE – change BCA to NCC

KE - change BCA to NCC

Ass Conditions; Materials, change BCA to NCC

I would also like to see a reference to:AS1684 Part 2 and Part 3 Residential timber-framed construction. (Plus)

The use of BCA in this line relates to definition of building types which is in the BCA. No further action required.

The Building Designer is recognised as a licensed occupation and ultimately is responsible for the safety and compliance of the design. Leave as is. No further action required.

PC 1.1 Class of building is defined in BCA not NCC. No further action.

PC 1.3 the suggestion is covered in current NCC requirements No further action.

As above. No further action.

As above. No further action

As above. No further action

Australian standard 1684 is




Structural Design Software.

referenced in 4005 Review structural integrity, where it is appropriate.No further action required.

Assessment Conditions already lists the need for ‘software currently in use in architectural or building design practices’. No further action.

Unit code and title CPPBDN4002 Apply compliance requirements to technical construction documentation Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,

commercial and industrial buildings as defined by the BCA’ Increased specificity of the Foundation Skills , Range of Conditions and the Assessment Requirement (Performance Evidence and Knowledge Evidence) Assessment requirements now require assessment to be conducted across 3 buildings (one class 1, one class 2 and one from classes 3 to 9), with at least one

building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component In Range of Conditions – Documentation list refined; Codes and Standards made more specific, Compliance requirements: used agreed text; Constraints: deleted

list and made reference to planning schemes, project brief and relevant sections of the BCA Assessment conditions made more specific PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Can 1.1 & 1.2 be incorporated into the one topic?

Can 2.2 & 2.3 be incorporated into the one topic?

What considerations have been included to address Energy Efficiency?

Whilst appearing to be similar tasks, 1.1 and 1.2 would be too broad to encompass one PCThe Range of Conditions specifies that Legislation includes Energy Efficiency.Recommendation: Combine 2.2 and 2.3 Recommendation approved


This unit is too large to be a single unit. It is required to cover three volumes of the BCA and is unachievable – yet draftspersons do need this knowledge at a high level. Suggest at least two separate units one covering residential and one covering

See comments in the overview regarding a split between residential and commercial and the ability of RTOs to unpack units and deliver required knowledge.No further action required. Agreed



commercial structures.

Application: This seems to vary over the units – needs a standard comment that is appropriate such as: The unit supports the work of drafters who assist building designers, architects and other personnel such as home sustainability assessors.


Application of units will be made consistent prior to release of Draft 2 units

See earlier comments re foundation skills

3. 10-06-13 Industry Association ( QLD)

This unit of competency specifies the outcomes required to research and apply compliance requirements, including current local, state and federal government legislation, codes and standards relating to building design, to construction documentation relating to all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings. (Including alterations & additions.)

2.4. Potential exemptions from compliance with relevant codes are investigated and noted. (Process for obtaining an exemption investigated and noted, egg Town Planning Application)

Range Statement

Legislation includes:

energy efficiency (and sustainability) roads, rail & Transport disable access

Codes and standards must include:

Recommendation: Add ‘alterations and additions’

to descriptor. Add a PC to element 2, to

cover identifying the process for obtaining an exemption…

Include in Range of Conditions for Legislation: roads, rail and transport, access but do not include ‘sustainability’\

Include ‘earthquake’ in codes and standards

To include a list of all services as indicated by the stakeholder, would necessitate listing all services. A generic term is preferable as the new template for units of competency can no longer use wording such as ‘can include’, ‘i.e.’ etc. Any lists or sub-lists are to be prefaced ‘must include’ or ‘include’.A covenant is an encumbrance.‘Heritage protection’ is one of many ‘Overlays’, so no need to name




in particular conditions, including: Earthquake

Constraints include: car parking and access requirements covenants (or encumbrances) on title Services (I.e. sewer, stormwater,

electrical, data and other Infrastructure.) energy reduction and usage fences landscaping maximum building height neighbourhood character specifications

and heritage protection outdoor living space overlays overshadowing privacy crime prevention setbacks swimming pools. separating walls (fire & sound) sloping land retaining walls marine, foreshore and industrial

environment existing and adjacent buildings

PERFORMANCE EVIDENCE

A person demonstrating competency in this unit must be able to provide evidence of the ability to apply relevant construction codes and standards to documentation for a minimum of four building projects (two residential (one single & one double storey and two commercial or industrial) One Class 2, 3 or 4 & one class 5,6,7,8 or 9 Type C Construction under 2000m² and:

heritage protection specifically.

The suggestion for ‘crime prevention’ to be included in a list of ‘constraints’ is not clear.

Recommendation: Discuss merits of including the

following to list of ‘constraints’ in range:o separating walls (fire &

sound)o sloping lando retaining wallso marine, foreshore and

industrial environmento existing and adjacent

buildings

Regarding Performance Evidence:The suggestion for further defining the types of residential and commercial buildings will be suggested to PSC for consideration.

Coordination of other consultants is not contained within the unit therefore cannot be requested as evidence.No added value in further listing other disciplines who contribute plans and drawings.

Recommendation: Discuss performance evidence

and the merit of further

Constraints include:Add: separating walls (fire & sound) sloping land retaining walls

No other changes required.

18/12/13 See note above – list of constraints deleted and replaced with statement requiring reference to planning scheme, project brief and relevant sections of the BCA.



develop a body of current research findings relating to the codes and standards affecting compliance of building designs

analyse compliance requirements in relation to client requests

Coordinate other consultants review compliance of plans and

drawings including those from other disciplines such as land surveyor, hydraulics, geotechnical, civil & structural engineer and fire engineers, etc.

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE compliance requirements relating to

building design projects, including: Australian standards NCC requirements State Planning Policies & State

Building Codes Town Planning Schemes design terminology

environmental and sustainability requirements, including: energy efficiency fire resistance, including resistance

to bushfire attack sound ventilation flood

legislation disable access

specifying the type of residential and commercial buildings

Regarding Knowledge Evidence:

Recommendation: Add suggested coverage to

knowledge evidence as proposed by stakeholder.


18/12/13 PE has now been further specified (see introductory notes to the unit)


4 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO NSW Suggest breaking this unit into 2 units residential and non-residential. Comparable units in Diploma CPPBDN5003A + 5004A.

See comments in the overview regarding a split between residential and commercial and the ability of RTOs to unpack units and deliver required knowledge.




No further action required.5 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Application – change BCA to NCC (requested throughout unit)

What is the definition of Building Designer? (see previous comments in unit above)

Range for Legislation: Understand Deemed-to–Satisfy and Alternative Solutions.Evidence of suitability of materials and construction methods.Certificate of Conformity or Certificate of Accreditation.

Codes and Standards: I would also like to see a reference to: AS1684 Part 2 and Part 3 Residential timber-framed construction.Assessment Conditions: BIM is important but should not be compulsory for every element. Students studying through Distance Ed could be disadvantaged.

See previous responses on same issues. No further action required.

The suggested text does not apply to definition of Legislation. No further action.

Note that the standard is referenced in 4005 Review and report on structural integrity.

BIM required by PSC and industry. No further action required.


Unit code and title - CPPBDN4003 Collect, apply and store building design project information Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component In range of conditions – Compliance requirements used agreed text; PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1. 06-06-13 RTO, NSW Should be combined with Apply file management processes for safe and effective storage and retrieval of documentation due to significant overlap in

There is some scope to review these two units and identify a possible synergy and development of one unit.Recommendation: Recommendation approved



content Review this unit along with Apply file management … to identify scope for one unit that addresses the requirements of file management

2. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Element 2. Collect, store and maintain documentation.

PCs Should include ‘Proposed Building Engineers Documents’

Recommendation: Add ‘building engineers

documentation’ to list of documentation to be collected and stored



Unit title: This unit could actually be made an additional element in - Prepare documentation for building approval and Prepare documentation required for planning approval - is really only and add-on – thus freeing up course for 2D and 3D CAD units in the core

Foundation skills – this needs to be clearly defined in all categories.

Numeracy skills to: use and apply ratio, rates and proportion etc… Irrelevant to the outcomes of the unit

Each unit of competency must represent a discrete work function. The task of preparing documentation is very different to storage of documentation.

See earlier comments about foundation skills.Recommendation: The suggestion that this unit

should be an element within another unit should not be supported

Revise foundation skills, particularly numeracy skills


18/12/13 FS are now more specific to the unit


Application of the Unit - Include: Privacy requirements.

1.2. Folders are created and named for storage of different types of documentation. (Hard copy & Digital)2.1. Documentation relating to client requirements and client brief for building design projects is collected and stored in relevant files.2.2. Documentation relating to site-specific

The unit covers setting up files, it is not designed to cover handling of information and therefore it is not deemed necessary to mention the Privacy Act.Re 1.2: repeated references to hard copy and digital files is not necessary.Re 2.1: Client requirements includes client briefRe 2.2: additional text may be considered



compliance requirements and design brief is collected and stored in relevant files.

Range of conditions

Site-specific compliance requirements must include:• federal, state or territory, and local

authority legislation and regulations, including: energy efficiency environmental requirements site classification (site analysis) cyclone steep land flood prone

• State Building Codes and State Planning Policies

• Local Government Planning Scheme• National Construction Code• relevant Australian standards.


• collecting, reviewing and filing documentation relating to: client requirements (and

correspondence) site-specific compliance

requirements site location characteristics existing site infrastructure and

services Digital drawing files and back-

ups (egg. AutoCAD/Revit)KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

Recommendation: Adding suggested text to PC

2.2 will be considered in a newly developed combined unit if PSC agrees to combination of these (see previous comments)

Suggested additions to range of conditions, performance evidence, knowledge evidence, will be considered in newly developed combined unit (see previous comments)


Note: refer to TP standards and CPSISC guidelines regarding all range lists

Note: previous decision - do not include planning schemes



types and sources of information required at the initiation of building design projects, including: client requirements (and

correspondence)ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS

electronic file saving devices (and hard copy filing system)

5 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO NSW The content of this unit significantly overlaps or intersects with CPPBDN4007. Suggest combining these 2 units.

The units represent different work functions and as such are suited to two separate units of competency. No further action required.


6 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughout. What is the definition of building designer….

Assessment conditions – use of BIM - should not be compulsory for every element…see previous comments.

See previous responses to these issues. No further action required

See previous response to this issue. No further action required




Unit code and title - CPPBDN4004 Set up BIM capable software and files for building design drafting projects Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Element 1 and its PCs have been revised for clarity Addition to Range: Software functions and operations- the list has been verified by technical sub committee PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Element 1. Complete building design software induction. And Pcs…

Which Types of Software?

2. Plan software drawing file requirements. And PCs

I would suggest combining 2.1, 2.3 & 2.5 together and 2.2, 2.4 & 2.6 together as well.

Specific software packages have not been named in an effort to ensure the longevity of the unit. In this unit, ‘software relates to building design software as explained in the Application section.

Each PC is discrete and there is no scope for combining those indicated.No further action required


This unit duplicates other areas and could be removed to allow for more critical units of competency to be added.

This unit – what does it do– again opportunity to put the CAD ones in as this repeats areas from other unit and add no value to the program as this work should or has been done in other more relevant units

PCs 1.2 & 1.3 Is this not what they learn in the course?? – Let’s do it all on YouTube

PCs 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 Done in other units

This unit provides the opportunity for candidates to learn about industry accepted software including BIM.

Software induction can take a variety of forms. PCs 1.2 & 1.3 are genuine tasks that can be assessed to determine an individual’s competence in undertaking software inductions.

See earlier comments about foundation skills.



Foundation skills – this needs to be clearly defined in all categories

Recommendation: Review PCs 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 for

possible duplication or coverage in other units



Performance Criteria:2.2. Naming system for digital drawing files is determined according to project and workplace requirements. (Appropriate measure for backing-up files taken)2.3. Types of drawings and scope of service level required by client, project and relevant authorities are determined in consultation with designer.3.1. Building design software support information is accessed to assist with adaptation of built-in templates to set up project template files. (Schedule for maintaining and updating template)

RANGE OF CONDITIONS: Building design software must include: current industry standard software

building information modelling. (BIM)

The ‘scope of service level’ is not applicable to setting up software therefore no further action required.

Recommendation: Add ‘backup’ process to the

unit possibly through an additional PC

Add abbreviation: BIM

Seek PSC advice: Please advise on suggestion to

add ‘schedule for maintaining and updating template’.



4 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Application - BIM is important but should it be a core subject. Students studying through Distance Education could be disadvantaged. Some design offices would not have BIM capacity.

Change BCA to NCCWhat is definition of building designer?

Range of conditions: BIM – how complex is the BIM software being designed?

See previous comments re use of BCA not NCC, understanding of Building Designer term, and use of BIM in all units.No further action required.




Unit code and title - CPPBDN4005 Review and report on structural integrity of building designs Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Unit title now: Review and report on structural integrity of building designs In Range of Conditions: Geophysical and climatic conditions: subsidence changed to soil classification (as per advice from tech sub committee), Codes and

Standards added. Unit now titled Review and report on structural integrity of building designs PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1 30-05-13 Government, WA Need to ensure assessment against all Geophysical and climatic conditions, Types of loads, Stresses and strains and Structural building materials listed, is this your intent?

FOUNDATION SKILLS - I question whether Learning, Oral, Reading and Writing are “Explicit in the performance criteria”

The unit allows for a support role to be played, not for the draftsperson to have all the knowledge a qualified architect or building designer is expected to have.As noted earlier, Foundation Skills to be reviewed following consultation with CPSISC and before draft 2 release.

2. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Unit Descriptor What considerations have been included for Additions and Alterations? This unit is fundamentally a very important aspect of drafting and therefore sufficient time should be apportioned to it when scheduling the curriculum.

Recommendation: add alterations and additions



3.3. Structural integrity of proposed walls and wall sheeting and cladding systems are assessed for compliance with relevant codes and standards.

4.1. Assessment of structural integrity of

Recommendations: Add suggested text to PCs 3.3

and 4.1 Add suggested text to

Geophysical and climatic conditions





project building is reported to, and discussed with, project designer and consultant engineer according to workplace procedures.

Geophysical and climatic conditions must include:

• wind. (cyclones)• steep land• noise• marine and industrial atmosphere

Types of loads must include:

• environmental loads, such as wind events (Including cyclones)

• moving loads, such as the volume of users

• permanent loads, such as the weight of the building

• live, dead and combinations loads

Stresses and strains must include:

• bending/deflection and long term creep

• compression• shear• racking• tensile• torsion• yield.

Add suggested text to Types of loads

Add suggested text to Stresses and strains

Add suggested text to Structural building materials

Add suggested text to Knowledge evidence



Structural building materials must include:

• concrete (solid & aerated)• glass (serviceability loads only)• masonry (concrete & clay)• metals• corrosion treated• other materials in common use• plastics (composites)• wood. graded timber• timber treatments• fasteners, bracing and tie downs

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

A person demonstrating competency in this unit must be able to provide evidence of the ability to safely and effectively apply the following knowledge:

• loads, load paths and forces acting on buildings in different project locations, including nature of loads and moments

• Properties of structural building materials and responses to loads, stress and strain.

• Source and understand building material compliance certificates

• Ability to read and interpret structural data and reports

Note: previous decision not to add to range list


Analyse basic structural integrity of building designs Given that they will be doing high rise – I suggest leave this word out

PC. 1.1 Site conditions, and nature and format of proposed footings are interpreted

See earlier comments regarding Foundation Skills.Recommendations: Due to potential issues with

the word ‘basic’, it is proposed that the title of this unit be




from project documentation and noted. Re: ‘and format’ New technical term??? Irrelevant – type is more applicable.

PCs 2.2, 2.3, 2.4: High level maths once you start on apply this, - evaluate – to a range of buildings.

PC 3.1 Engineers role. Suggest Rewording.PCs 3.2, 3.3, 3.4. This is the whole timber framing code. A unit on its own.

Foundation skills – all skills need to be outlined in full.

amended to read, for example: ‘Review and report on structural integrity of building designs’

Delete ‘and format’ from PC 1.1 Reword PC 3.1 so that it is

clear the candidate is providing support in this task rather than assuming the engineer’s role

Re 2.2 & 2.3, replace ‘evaluated’ with ‘identified’

Re 2.4 add ‘and noted’ to end of sentence

Re 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 replace ‘assessed’ with ‘reviewed’ also add ‘'compliance with structural engineers advice and relevant codes and standards'

5. 10-06-13 RTO, WA 1.1. Site conditions, and nature and format of proposed footings are interpreted identified from project documentation and noted.

1.2. Nature and format of structural floor systems are interpreted identified from project documentation and noted.

1.3. Nature and format of walls and wall cladding systems are interpreted identified from project documentation and noted.

1.4 Nature and format of roofs and roof cladding systems are interpreted identified from project documentation and noted.

2.2 Types of loads acting on project buildings are identified and noted

Recommendations: Delete ‘interpreted’ and replace

with ‘identified’ as suggested by this stakeholder

Add suggested text to Geophysical and climatic conditions as per suggestion at Item 3 for this unit.

As no rationale for deleting PC 4.1 has been provided, it is difficult to comment on this suggestion. It is clear however that the draftsperson is required to report to and discuss findings with the designer.No further action required


Agreed



3.5 Anomalies in structural integrity and compliance are noted and processed according to workplace practices.

4.1 Assessment of structural integrity of project building is reported to, and discussed with, project designer according to workplace procedures.

Range of conditionsGeophysical and climatic conditions

must include:• Exposure level• Location

Stresses and strains must include:• tensile tension

Knowledge evidence:A person demonstrating competency in this unit must be able to provide evidence of the ability to safely and effectively apply the following knowledge:

Familiarity with Timber Light Framing Code sufficient for correct process in use of same.

• calculation methods for evaluating loads acting on buildings

• compliance requirements relating to structural integrity of buildings in different project locations

• construction methods and terminology• drawing conventions, formats and

standards• drawing software functionalities• loads and forces acting on buildings in

different project locations, including

3.5 - anomalies are processed?The retention of E4 reporting covers processing

Recommendation: Discuss whether ‘tensile’ or

‘tension’ is correct wording and change if necessary

Recommendation: Add to Geophysical and

climatic conditions as suggested to range

Add to knowledge evidence: familiarity with Timber Light Framing Code

Seek advice on deleting ‘and moments’ from knowledge evidence as per feedback received.

Tensile stresses is correct; since 'stresses' is in the stem, 'tensile' should be left as is in the bullet point


Change first bullet point to: Familiarity with Timber

Framing Codes sufficient for correct process in use of same.

Delete 'and moments'



nature of loads and moments• properties of structural building materials

and responses to loads, stress and strain.

6 27-02-14

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Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughout.What is the definition of Building Designer?

Re: Structural systems in Element 1 - Understand Deemed-to–Satisfy and Alternative Solutions.Evidence of suitability of materials and construction methods.Certificate of Conformity or Certificate of Accreditation.

PC 3.1 – codes and standards – i.e. footings/slabs, AS2870 residential slabs and footings - construction

Timber framing AS1684 Part 2 and Part 3 Residential timber framed construction.

In Numeracy Skills: Add Part 2 and Part 3 to AS1684.

In Range for Codes and Standards, add Part 2 and Part 3 to AS1684 Timber framing code.

See previous comments re change of BCA to NCC, definition of building designer No further action required.

The Range statement specifies that codes and standards must include:BCA and referenced Australian standards for structural provisions, and AS 1684 timber framing code.AS1684 is listed in Codes and Standards. This reference is sufficient. No further action required.

Reference to the AS number sufficient as structure of AS may change. No further action required.


Unit code and title - CPPBDN4006 Import or transpose information from external sources into digital building design drawings Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component In Range of Conditions: Amended wording: Engineers must include one or more of the following; Consultants must include one or more of the following; this is to

reflect the fact that in the assessment of the unit, the learner must be able to demonstrate liaising with at least one type of engineer and one type of consultant; PSC#5 agreed that Engineers and Consultants listed in the Range of conditions should be prefaced with ‘…one or more of:’.



No



1. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Element 2. Import drawings from external sources into digital building design

This should be increased to cover the importing of materials and scenery etc for presentation/conceptual drawings, which is becoming increasingly popular to communicate a construction detail or feature.

In its current format this appears to be highly weighted towards the technical aspect of drawings and should include an aspect of presentation.

Recommendation: Revise element 2 to include

coverage for presentation as noted by stakeholder



Unit descriptor - This unit is superfluous. The skills are developed when learning 2D and 3D CAD - should just be additional performance criteria in those units. Again this unit only reinforces the need for core units in 2D and 3D CAD – need these skills to actually do this unit

Pre-requisite unit: 2D and 3D CADFoundation skills – this needs to be clearly

defined in all categories

The development of this unit was approved by the PSC

It is CPSISC policy that there be no pre-requisite units



1.3 Drawings & reports from electrical, hydraulic, geotechnical, fire and mechanical engineers are checked for accuracy and compliance according to workplace requirements.

1.4 Drawings, reports and drawing notations from access, traffic, lighting,

Recommendation: Add suggested text to 1.3, 1.4

Seek PSC advice: See suggested PCs 1.5 and 1.7





arborist, acoustic, energy efficiency, flooding, bush fire, and other relevant consultants are checked for accuracy and compliance according to workplace requirements.

1.5 Town Planning Decision Notice and Assessment Manager Conditions are checked for compliance

1.7 Identify consultant or as constructed design discrepancies

Amended drawings are requested, including noted details of amendments required, and obtained from relevant engineers or consultants according to workplace

3.1. Work instructions for transposing information from externally-sourced drawings into digital building design drawing files are interpreted and confirmed with building designer or architect. (Externally provided information is noted and referenced back to the provider)3.2. All externally soured documents are included in a list of Supporting Documents with the Project Schedule of Drawings within the drawing set3.3 Drawings to list consultants who have provided externally sourced documentsRange of conditions

Compliance must include:

• federal, state or territory, and local authority legislation and regulations, including: energy efficiency environmental requirements

– do they apply to all jurisdictions?

Suggested additional text to 3.1 repeats proposed 3.3

Recommendation: Combine suggested 3.2 and

3.3.

Recommendation: Add abbreviation: BIM In performance evidence, add

‘identify consultant design discrepancies’ but not ‘as constructed’

• Add to performance evidence:



(Note previous decision- do not add planning schemes)



Planning Schemes & State Building Codes

Building design software must include:• current industry standard software building information modelling. (BIM)

Performance evidence:

• Identify consultant or as constructed design discrepancies

• incorporating externally sourced documents into drawing’s supporting document list and include project consultants list

Assessment conditions

access to Safework Australia Model Codes of Practice

incorporating externally sourced documents into drawing’s supporting document list and include project consultants list

Not necessary to specify access to Safework model codes as this section already states that access to relevant codes is required

4 27-02-14

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Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughoutBIM inclusion disadvantages some students

and some offices do not have BIMWhat is the definition of building designersIn Learning Skills – add engineering design

software to ‘use manual and ICT…’In reading skills – BIM – How complex is the

BIM; some offices would not have BIM capacity

See previous responses on use of BIM, change to NCC and definition of building designer.No action required


Unit code and title - CPPBDN4007 Apply file management processes for the storage and retrieval of documentation Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component New Element 2 and PCs added PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.N Date Type of



o Stakeholder (i.e. RTO)


1. 06-06-13 RTO, NSW Should be combined with Collect, apply and store building design project information due to significant overlap in content

As per previous comments, there is some scope to review these two units and identify a possible synergy and development of one unit.Recommendation: Review this unit along with

Collect, apply and store… to identify scope for one unit that addresses the requirements of file management


2. 06-06-13 RTO, SA The storage of project information, how to set-up and how to manage files should be incorporated into individual units, rather than be stand-alone. After all, they need to create, store and manage the files they are generating in other units.

See previous comment.

3. 07-06-13 Industry, WA This Unit appears likely to duplicate its content with ‘Collect, apply and store building design project information’ and therefore can they both be combined and therefore reduce the amount of units. (Does this need to be a separate Unit?)

See previous comment.


Application - This seems to vary over the units – needs a standard comment that is appropriate such as: The unit supports the work of drafters who assist building designers, architects and other personnel such as home sustainability assessors.

Range of conditionsBack up: may be to:

• computer hard drive

Recommendation: Review wording of Application

of the unit across all units to ensure consistency

Back up is defined in the unit as




• external storage devices including portable and non-portable hard

drives: CD or DVD USB sticks

Limiting – already using cloud technology suggest broad general comment so as not to limit student experience

stated but also that it ‘may include use of remote, online or managed back up services’. Cloud technology would come under the category of online services. No further action required.


Application of the Unit: This unit of competency specifies the outcomes required to ensure documentation relating to building design projects is filed and stored safely and effectively. It addresses managing and archiving files for future retrieval and responding to requests for copies of documentation. (Transmittal Advice Sheets)

Performance Criteria

2.2. Archived drawing files are to be updated to current software versions to prevent data losses from multiple consecutive software upgrades.2.3. Hard copy files are collated and scanned if appropriate and added to existing electronic project files or relevant records management processes are implemented for archival purposes. (Compressing of large digital files for archiving)

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

ability to read plans and drawings

Seek PSC advice: Is this wide industry

practice/term?

Recommendation:

Regarding knowledge evidence: no value in adding civil and structural engineers as suggested. The writers may also need to remove ‘such as’ from the text but this is to be confirmed with editor.

The unit is not designed to address the ability to read and interpret reports, therefore suggested text not





including those from other disciplines such as land surveys, hydraulics, Civil & Structural engineers and fire engineering and recognise where and how to store and file such information

ability to read and interpret Site Classification Reports, Landslip risk assessment reports, waste water treatment design and percolation reports. State Building Code requirements

(egg QDC)Separating walls (fire & sound.)

Assessment conditions

• materials: access to applicable codes and

standards and local planning regulations

access to electronic and hard copy project files for a range of building projects

lockable filing cabinet (Password protected digital files)

recommended for inclusion.

Recommendations: Add suggested text to

‘materials’ Add suggested regarding

password protected files Recommendations approved

6 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

RTO NSW The content of this unit significantly overlaps or intersects with CPPBDN4003. Suggest combining these 2 units.

The units represent separate work functions and therefore it is appropriate to have separate units of competency. No further action required.


7 27-02-14

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Industry Qld Change BCA to NCC throughout. What is the definition of building designer.

See previous comments re change to NCC and use of term building designer. No further action required


Unit code and title - CPPBDN4008 Produce digital building design concept drawings and documentation Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,




building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Unit now titled: Produce digital building design concept drawings and documentation. PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no changesNo

Date Type of Stakeholder (ie RTO)



1.2 Existing site information and measured drawings are reviewed and information is applied to the production sketches. Be capable of measuring existing buildings to prepare as constructed drawings.

1.5 Spatial and dimensional awareness is applied to visualise 3D buildings from 2D plans and to allow ample space on plans for movement of persons. Visualise and interpret a sketched 2D plan into 3D, and a 3D sketch interpreted as a 2D plan

1.6 Provide practical travel pathways and clearance access to spaces for building users

Range of conditionsCompliance requirements must include:

• federal, state or territory, and local authority legislation and regulations, including: energy efficiency environmental requirements Planning Schemes

• National Construction Code (State Codes eg. QDC)

Building design software must include:• current industry standard software

The rewording suggested for 1.2 and 1.5 appears to state the same outcome as original text.Editorial change to this PC 1.5 has been implemented. It will now read:1.5. Spatial and dimensional awareness is applied to allow ample space on plans for movement of persons.This rewording now incorporates text suggested by stakeholder in their suggestion of 1.6No further action required

Re Range of conditions: state and local authority legislation encompasses Planning Schemes, however can be added

Reference to state codes is covered in first bullet point: federal, state or territory and local authority legislation and regulations.No further action required

Recommendation: Add abbreviation: BIM Add ‘planning schemes’ to

compliance requirements.

Agreed

Agreed


Note previous decision - do not add planning schemes



building information modelling. (BIM)

ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS

• materials: access to relevant codes and

standards access to Safework Australia

Model Codes of Practice client's design brief designer's sketches and notes

Access to relevant codes and standards, is to be understood to encompass ‘Safework Australia Model Codes of Practice’ and others.No further action required.

Agreed

2 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughoutUse of BIM – disadvantages some studentsWhat is the definition of building designer?

See previous response regarding change to NCC, use of the term building designer and use of BIM. No further action required.


Unit code and title - CPPBDN4009 Analyse building design drawings Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Title changed to: Analyse building design drawings In Range of Conditions: AS have been listed in General technical drawing conventions; Consultants list has been reduced and lead in statement allows for ‘one or

more of the following’ and this is reflected in the PE. PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1. 07-06-13 Industry, WA Unit Descriptor

A very fundamental and important subject. Appropriate time should be apportioned when creating the curriculum.

What considerations have been included with Additions & Alterations?

The allocation of hours to the curriculum is not within the scope of this project.No further action required

See PSC advice: what considerations could be

required?

Agreed





Application - This is very restrictive suggest - The unit supports the work of drafters who assist building designers, architects and other personnel such as home sustainability assessors.

Prerequisite unit - CPPBDR40XXA Analyse basic structural integrity of building designs

CPPAAA4XXXA Analyse construction methods and materials for building design projects.


A suitable assessment environment would:

• equipment: computer with relevant software and

internet access telephone

• materials: ?? needs explanations – what materials and why would they need a phone

We can add if we are allowed to use 'such as' in the application

It is CPSISC policy not to include pre-requisites.

See previous comment on foundation skills.

The Materials list in the unit includes : access to technical construction

documentation applicable codes and standards technical reports working drawings and plans

Recommendation: Delete ‘telephone’



1. Interpret drawing conventions.

1.1 Industry standard formats, AS1101.301 and content for technical drawings are interpreted including drawing types, project identification and version control.

1.2 General technical drawing conventions used in all types of construction drawings are interpreted including levels, gradient (volume, pitch, slope, ratios, text size and sheet sizes), dimensioning lines, symbols, abbreviations, scales, layout, spaces and components.

Re 1.1 Naming a particular Australian Standard in a PC would render the unit potentially obsolete when and if the standard is revised. It is best to not list the AS specifically.No further action required.

Re 1.2 bracketed text would not be permissible from an editorial perspective.

Re 2.1: the suggested text could not

Make reference to AS1101 in the appropriate sections of the new templates for this unit



2.1 Site plans for different projects are analysed to determine site boundaries and dimensions, locations and orientations of buildings, locations of utility services, retaining walls, fences, driveways and walkways and to identify setback requirements, easements and to interpret topographical data. (Including establishing acceptable driveway grades to comply with AS/NZS 2890.1 and Local Government requirements.) (Including analysing services drawings, determining sewer depths and zones of influence for Building Over or Adjacent to Sewers or Stormwater Lines, Applications, etc.)2.2. Floor plans and sub-floor plans for different types of buildings are analysed to determine dimensions, construction methods, services, disabled access, room and wall layouts and plan-level fittings, fixtures and features including representations of overhead features. (Including, standard/minimum/appropriate circulation space, separation and heights of rooms and components. Volume calculations. Determining areas of rooms natural lighting and ventilation percentages)2.3. Elevations of each aspect of different types of buildings are analysed to determine dimensions of buildings, exterior finishes, fence locations and features of exterior design. (Including Floor heights, ceiling heights, joinery heights, R.L’s, topography, cut and fill etc) (Including annotation and common abbreviations, basic analysis of roof catchment areas and downpipe calculations, common

be added to 2.1 but may be considered as a separate PC.

Seek PSC advice: Add a separate PC to cover

suggested text at 2.1 regarding driveway grades?

Re 2.2: - is this a must include list for the range – if so, under what term? Dimensions?

Same for 2.3, 2.4, 3.1, 3.2 Re suggested new PC of 2.7 -

add in analysis of drawings to identify sustainable design features - and/or to identify where these could be added?

Re 3.3. –The unit is about interpreting plans and drawings - do we need to add reports?

Re 3.4 –it is not clear why WHS would be added here.


Add 'services' and 'access' only

No changes required - please leave as isNo changes required - please leave as is

Add reports - but not to title

Add WHS reports



systems and components.)2.4 Sections of different types of buildings are analysed to determine construction methods and features of internal design and finishes. (Including differing floor levels, rise, going and slope ratio of stairs etc.)2.5 Unknown elements of, or anomalies in architectural drawings are noted for discussion with architect or building designer.2.6 Architectural drawings to comply with State & Territory Codes of Practice. (Associations’ documentation guides.)2.7 Sustainable design (Basic Understanding of Passive Design principles, Adaptable Design principles, Urban Design principles.)

3.1 Land survey plans and drawings are analysed to identify topographical features of different sites for building design projects and requirements for cutting and filling. (Including gradients, slope ratios and percentages.)3.2 Structural engineering plans and drawings are analysed to determine construction methods and load considerations for different building design projects. (Including annotation and common abbreviations.)3.3. Drawings and reports from electrical, hydraulic, geotechnical, fire and mechanical engineers are analysed to determine layout of services for different types of building design projects.3.4. drawings and drawing notations from

Re 3.1 this is covered in 'drawing conventions'

Seek PSC advice PSC advice needed on the

Performance Evidence list. Unit is about drawings and plans - so exclude reports? Add these items only:

roof framing layout plans details



access, traffic, lighting, arborist, acoustic, energy efficiency and other relevant consultants are analysed to identify recommendations for different building design projects. (WHS requirements.)

PERFORMANCE EVIDENCE• analysis of relevant information, features

and details included on architectural drawings, including: site plans sub-floor and floor plans elevations sections roof framing layout plans details wall framing layout plans slab setout plans sustainability plans safe design plans Workplace Health & Safety

(WH&S) Designer’s Report• analysis of relevant information, features

and details included on drawings from other construction disciplines, including: land surveyors structural, electrical, hydraulic,

geotechnical, fire and mechanical engineers

Site Classification Reports. (Landslip risk assessments)

Building Covenants & Guidelines access, traffic, lighting, arborist,

acoustic, energy efficiency and other relevant consultants.

ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS• materials:

Re: Assessment conditions, there is no need to list specific codes as this section specifies applicable codes and standards.

Recommendation: Change wording to: applicable

state, federal and local legislation, codes and standards

wall framing layout plans slab setout plans

18/12/13 this last item changed to footings and slab set out as agreed by technical sub committee




access to technical construction documentation

applicable codes and standards (Planning Schemes)

technical reports working drawings and plans access to Safework Australia’s

Model Codes of Practice4 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughoutUse of BIM – disadvantages some studentsWhat is the definition of building designer?

In Range: NB the respondent has added pages of information into the unit of competency which due to sheer volume cannot be inserted here.

See previous response regarding change to NCC, use of the term building designer and use of BIM. No further action required.

PSC feedback sought on items suggested by respondent – see attachments.

No support received for additional items. No further action required.

Unit code and title - CPPBDN4011 Prepare documentation for building approval Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component In Range of Conditions: Compliance requirements: standard text used; Documentation: references to ‘termite management’ changed to ‘localised pest management,

many items deleted such as sub-list for Plans, have been moved to Knowledge Evidence. As per requirements for new standards for Training Packages, items in the Range have been reduced and only include items essential for all projects across all jurisdictions.

PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No



1. 30-05-13 Government, WA ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS: You ask to “meet quality requirements and are completed within given timelines” What are these timelines, it is not prescriptive enough.

Recommendation: Delete reference to ‘given

timelines’



Unit title: This unit assumes 2D and 3D CAD knowledge – only one performance criteria

The unit describes competent performance of work tasks -



for the student to achieve this ability in 2D i.e. 2.3 of this unit. Which is why 2D and 3 D unit required

Prerequisite unit - -2D and 3D CAD

CPPAAA4XXXA Prepare documentation required for planning approval

PCs:2.3 Draft working drawings are prepared and notations added according to project and workplace requirements. This is the crux of the unit yet it is only one PC – needs to be an element and as unit covers the complete NCC should be two separate units – one for residential and one for commercial


Range of conditionsDocumentation must include those specified in relevant authorities' requirements for building approval:

• 3-D model (paper) Dated already - #D printers already used by industry for this purpose

• local authority forms. In many state these forms are not local authority forms suggest broader statement to reflect realty

• two and three-dimensional drawings and sketches. For planning only

curriculum for training delivery is prepared by the RTO

It is CPSISC policy not to have pre-requisite units.

Re 2.3: The building approval application documentation includes many components other than drawings

See earlier comment on foundation skills.

Seek PSC advice comments regarding

documentation are referred for further advice

Delete 3D model (paper)

Change 'local authority forms' to:'relevant authority forms'

No changes required to:'two and three-dimensional drawings and sketches'




Documentation must include those specified in relevant authorities' requirements for building approval:

• plans for: demolition cut and fill excavation steep sites

• technical reports, such as: access conservation energy rating fire safety soil analysis safe design – (Building

Workplace Health and Safety Report)

• working drawings, including: area analyses elevations in situ concrete detailing joinery details waterproofing details subfloor ventilation details termite management details erosion and sediment control

details location of neighbouring buildings plans for:

ceilings roof framing sustainability (minimum

ventilation & light etc)

Recommendation: Add suggested text to range of

conditions

Seek PSC advice Additions - must be 'must

include'. Do these lists qualify as ‘must include’?


'plans for:'No changes required - please leave as is - except as follows:

'working drawings'Add: waterproofing details subfloor ventilation details termite management details erosion and sediment control

details

18/12/13 – due to new Standards for Training Packages, the list of items under Working Drawings has been shortened and now contains only those items which are essential across all projects and jurisdictions.



floor finishes floors dimensions accessibility floor framing roof framing bracing footings concrete slab lighting electrical & data services sites

Compliance requirements must include:

• State Building Codes and State Planning Policies

• Planning Schemes

Working drawings must be checked for:• Ease of interpretation (e.g. Neat and

uncluttered)• Appropriate use of lineweights• Revision numbering, amendments and

date• Spelling and typographical errors


• preparing sets of working drawings that comply with requirements (Codes of Practice.)

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

architectural styles and building

Recommendation: Revise wording in performance

evidence to say: ‘preparing sets of compliant working

'working drawings' sub-bullet - 'plans for'Add: roof framing sustainability (minimum ventilation

& light etc) floor framing roof framing bracing concrete slab



terminology

ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS

• specifications: Local council planning regulations National Construction Code State Building Codes and State

Planning Policies

drawings’ Add to knowledge evidence:

building and construction terminology

Add to specifications in Assessment Conditions: state codes and planning policies


4. 12-06-13 Industry Association (TAS)

Within this unit you are asking the student to produce working drawings, it is my belief that if this was to be taught within this subject, the hours would be 130 hours. Should there be a separate subject to cover working drawings as a core unit?

Within the units you have mixed commercial and domestic – these are covered in 2 different volumes of NCC and it would be confusing to be covering both at the same time within the subjects.

There are outlines within the subjects regarding BIM 2D and 3D software packages. It is my belief that at least one of these should be covered as a core subject.

If I was to employ one of these students I would like to know that they had a basic understanding of how to use industry software, understand what I was talking about and know what to do when I said Planning Drawings and Working Drawings. I would take the brief from the client, detail the

Seek PSC advice the drafter may not be working

alone on the project and so maybe we can be more specific about the numbers and types of projects that they should prepare BAP documentation for?

Regarding delivery of the units, in terms of which subjects to teach first…this is the decision of the RTO; the units are standards for competent performance of discrete work tasks

Please note that core units covering 2D and 3D drawing are:CPPAAA4XXXA Set up software and files for building design drafting projectsCPPAAA4XXXA Import or transpose information from external sources into digital building design drawingsCPPAAA4XXXA Produce digital building design documentation for client approval

Leave as 3 different projects, of which at least one must be residential and one commercial.



concept plan for them to draft up on CAD software and be able to understand the terminology I was using to complete the tasks required.

CPPAAA4XXXA Apply compliance requirements to technical construction documentation

5 27-02-14D2V2 feedback

RTO NSW Suggest breaking this unit into 2 units residential and non-residential. Comparable units in Diploma CPPBDN5011A + 5015A.

The PSC has previously confirmed no split of units between residential and non-residential. No further action required.


6 27-02-14D2V2 feedback

Industry QLD Change BCA to NCC throughout. What is definition of building designer.

Compliance requirements – add Understand Deemed-to–Satisfy and Alternative Solutions.Evidence of suitability of materials and construction methods.Certificate of Conformity or Certificate of Accreditation.Add Building Act and Building Regulations

In Knowledge Evidence, floor footings – add sub-floor framing. Timber framing – add including wall and roof framing.

Remove BIM.

See previous responses re use of NCC, term building designer and BIM. No further action required.

Compliance requirements – no change required. Consistent definition applied across units.

Not all floor footings require framing.





Unit code and title – CPPBDN4010 Prepare documentation for planning approval Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component Minor changes to PCs to add specificity and clarity In range of conditions: deleted ‘documentation’, updated Compliance Requirements to agreed text, Increased specificity in Assessment Conditions PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No




Application: This seems to vary over the units – needs a standard comment that is appropriate such as: The unit supports the work of drafters who assist building designers, architects and other personnel such as home sustainability assessorsPre-requisite units: 2D and 3D

1.5 Drawings and documentation required from electrical, hydraulic, fire and mechanical engineers are specified and requested in consultation with designer, according to workplace procedures. Building approval issue

1.6 Drawings and documentation required from access, traffic, lighting, arborist, acoustic, energy efficiency and other relevant consultants are specified and requested in consultation with designer, according to workplace procedures.

2.5 Notifications and advertisements are arranged as required. Done by approval authority

Consistency across Application of units will be improved in Draft 2

Pre-requisite units: It is CPSISC policy not to include pre-requisites

Re 1.6 – will be corrected at editing stageSeek PSC advice Regarding PC 1.5 - please

confirm that these relate to building approval not planning approval

Regarding 2.5 – are notifications and advertisements always done by the approving authority?

Please confirm if ‘full frame drawings’ is correctly stated in range as ‘design drawings must include…’

Recommendations: Delete telephone from

assessment conditions

Change 1.5 and 1.6 to Drawings and documentation as required from….


Remove 'full frame drawings'




Range: Design drawings must include:

Full frame drawings (building approval?)

Knowledge evidence: Basic structural principles (planning documentation not required?)

Assessment Conditions: telephone??

Specifications: State and local council planning regulations

Add building planning documentation to knowledge evidence

Add ‘state and …’ to specifications as suggested


1.3 Documentation requirements for planning approval applications are confirmed with relevant authority’s Planning Scheme according to workplace procedures.

1.4 Design drawings required in planning approval application documentation are confirmed with designer or relevant authorities according to workplace procedures.

1.5 Compliance requirements for design drawings are confirmed with designer or relevant authorities according to workplace procedures. (Domestic Building Contracts Act & Codes of Practice.)

1.6 Drawings and documentation required from electrical, hydraulic, geotechnical, fire, and mechanical engineers are specified and requested in consultation with designer, according to workplace procedures.

2.3 Documentation for planning (and or Operational Works) approval application is

1.3 Confirming with relevant authorities, encompasses a variety of topics, including planning schemes and so listing it does not add value.

Seek PSC advice Regarding 1.5 - is Domestic

Building Contracts Act & Code of Practice a national requirement?

Recommendation: Add ‘geotechnical’ to 1.6 as

suggested

Re 2.3, 4.3 & 4.5 - Terms including ‘planning approval’ and ‘building approval’ differ from state to state but we have chosen the plain English term which all should understand.

No changes required - range statement covers this - please leave as is




prepared, checked for compliance with requirements, and confirmed with client.4.3. Planning approval (Decision Notice) is

obtained and filed with final design project documentation according to workplace procedures.

4.5. Add Decision Notice to project files both digital and hard copies

Documentation must include: all requirements of relevant authorities for planning approval, such as:

stormwater reports/designs & calculations

detention requirements required car and vehicle parking vehicle turning path analysis erosion and sediment control operational works drawings &

approvalsDesign drawings must include:

• full frame drawings (wall & floor)• A site plan drawn to scale which

shows the following:The location and site area of the land to which the application relates (the relevant land)

· The north point

· The boundaries of the relevant land

· Any road frontages of the relevant land, including the name of the road

Cannot list all variant terms.

Seek PSC advice: Please confirm if all additional

text for range lists would be required for all projects

Take bold and italics style off 'documentation' and remove list from range




· The location and use of any existing or proposed buildings or structure on the relevant land [two (2) separate plans. An existing site plan and a proposed site plan]

· Any existing or proposed easements on the relevant land and their function

· The location and use of buildings on land adjoining the relevant land

· All vehicle access points and any existing or proposed car parking areas on the relevant land.

· Car parking spaces for persons with disabilities and any service vehicle access and parking should be clearly marked.

· For any new building on the relevant land, the location of refuse storage

· The location of any proposed landscaping on the relevant land

· The location of any stormwater detention on the relevant land

Compliance requirements must include:• State Building Codes• relevant legislation, regulations and local

by-laws relating to: conservation construction materials and




methods energy efficiency environment heritage WHS water local authority planning schemes. State Planning Policies storm water duality & detention vehicle turning path analysis landscaping Build over and Adjacent to

sewers or stormwater3 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry Qld Change BCA to NCC. What is definition of building designer? Add to compliance requirements: DTS and alt solutions etc. use of BIM could disadvantage students in regional areas

Respondent has proposed additional information in Range item for Drawing requirements must include, in the unit of competency. The information is too large to include here. PSC advised to see separate unit of competency.

See previous comments re use of NCC, building designer term and use of BIM. No further action required.

Seek PSC advice on suggested additional text to Drawing requirements however recommend not to accept as the additional information is not in line with new standards for units of competency. Not all items would be assessable for all learners. Seek PSC advice if any of the dot points listed are essential. See attachment.


No support received for additional items. No further action required.

Unit code and title - CPPBDN4012 Provide support to project building designers Increased specificity of the Application of the unit by changing wording from ‘…all types of residential, commercial and industrial buildings…’ to residential,


building being 2 storeys and one building 3 storeys or more and one with a class 10 component In range of conditions: Compliance requirements: standard text used At meeting of technical sub-committee, agreed to change title to Provide support to project building designers PSC#5 agreed to the unit with no further changes.No

Date Type of Stakeholder (i.e. Issue Comment/Action PSC Decision



RTO)1. 07-06-13 Industry Association

(National)Unit Descriptor: This unit is really what a designer does not a specific role for a draftspersons, this is about design at its heart. In essence this is purely an administrative support unit that would be provided by admin assistant – if required at all should be an elective option.

Application - The unit supports drafters who work under the supervision or direction of an architect or building designer and engage in a range of consultation processes as part of the building design process. This seems to vary over the units – needs a standard comment that is appropriate such as: The unit supports the work of drafters who assist building designers, architects and other personnel such as home sustainability assessors

PERFORMANCE EVIDENCE - document and store accurate notes from meetings between the designer, clients, construction contractors and other relevant personnel. Expensive admin staff

ASSESSMENT CONDITIONS - telephone. Same as

Assessment requirements: how to handle potential conflicts

between compliance requirements and client requests (Designers role)

relationship with the client: client liaisons and communications are

conducted as directed by the building designer, in a supportive capacity (As previous)

Regarding the unit descriptor, it should be noted that this unit is an elective unit, not core.

As noted in a previous comment, application of units will be reviewed for consistency.No further action required.

Thank you for the comment.No further action required.


Recommendation: Regarding assessment

requirements add suggested coverage of the performance evidence and ensure coverage in PCs.

Delete telephone from assessment conditions


Agreed

Agreed

Agreed





Building design software must include• current industry standard software• building information modelling (BIM).


undertake the following tasks for a minimum of three building projects: (one residence, one commercial & one industrial building)

KNOWLEDGE EVIDENCE

compliance requirements relating to building design projects, including: Australian standards National Construction Code State Building Codes & Local

Government Planning SchemesASSESSMENT CONDITIONS• materials:

access to applicable codes and standards

Planning Schemes Access to Safework Australia

Model Codes of Practice design drawings and specifications

• relationships with team members and supervisor: tasks may be completed as an

individual and as a team member, under the direction of an architect, building designer or other relevant competent person

Recommendation: Consider the merit of

performance evidence being required across residential, commercial and industrial as suggested.

Reword ‘legislation’ in knowledge evidence to say ‘applicable federal and state legislation’.

Add abbreviation: BIM

As per previous comments, no need to specify the codes applicable.

The word ‘relevant’ suffices here. It would be usual to assume the ‘relevant’ person is ‘competent’.No further action required


See previous decision - do not add planning schemes

Agreed3 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry Qld What is definition of building designer? Add to design solutions: DTS and alt solutions etc. use of BIM could disadvantage students

See previous response on use of term building designer and BIM. Suggested addition to design solution not




in regional areas. appropriate. No further action required.

Unit code and title - CPCPCM4003A Produce 2-D architectural drawings using CAD software18/12/13 This unit has now been replaced with CPPBDN5017A Produce 2-D drawings for building design projects using CAD software, which was endorsed on 5thDec 2013No




This unit should be a core unit. Whilst 2D CAD is integrated into some of the current core units it is an essential skill for draftspersons to have a high level of ability with this and 3D CAD (which is non-existent in this course (other than by inference. RTOs can either expect prospective students have the required level or they will have to find funding to teach them if they include this unit into their Certificate IV program.

PSC#3 discussed the fact that there had been a question as to whether the 2D unit was required at all given that the use of ‘current industry software’ was embedded across all the units however it was decided to leave it in the elective pool as it would also allow for articulation into the Diploma.Recommendation: Leave this unit in the elective

pool


Note: code and title will change due to current CIMS project18/12/13 NB the above mentioned 2D unit is now replaced by CPPBDN5017A which was endorsed on 5/12/13.

2. 12-06-13 Industry Association (NSW)

It would be beneficial to have the 2D Drafting unit included in the Core subjects rather than as an elective. There is some drafting in the other Core subjects but in the first instance new students to the course need to have a good understanding of and be taught basic drafting because, after all, the course is Cert IV Building Design Drafting!

See above comment for this unit.



Unit code and title – CPPBDN4013 Produce construction detail drawingsNew unit developed and reviewed by PSC#5. PSC agreed to unit in the electives of the qualification.

1 27-02-14

D2V2 feedback

Industry Qld Change BCA to NCC throughout. What is definition of building designer. Use of BIM.

Add to 1.3: Understand Deemed-to–Satisfy and Alternative Solutions.Evidence of suitability of materials and construction methods.Certificate of Conformity or Certificate of Accreditation.In Range, add to Elements of the building design must include: box gutters – eaves and gutters

Roof details including fascias (add roof trusses, cut roofs and roof cladding)

Wall design (add wall classing, brick veneer, cavity brick)

See previous response regarding NCC, use of building designer, use of BIM. No further action required.

Seek PSC advice on additions to Range items. It would not be possible to include all items listed as it would not be possible to assess everyone against them and therefore would the list would not comply with the Standards for Training Packages. Seek PSC advice if any of the items listed are essential, noting they would need to apply to all projects.


No support received for additional items. No further action requ33ired,
