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Hassan ibn SabbÄ was born in the city of Qom in Persia in 1056 to a family of IthnaAshariya ShÄ«Ëa! "arly in his life# his family$s fort%nes too& them to 'ayy# abo%t 1(0&ilometres )*5 miles+ from Iran$s mo,ern-,ay ca.ital city of /ehran! It was in this centerof reliio%s matrices that Hassan ,eelo.e, a &een interest in meta.hysical matters# an,a,here, to the /weler Shi$ite co,e of instr%ction!

'ayy was a city that ha, seen a lot of ra,ical tho%ht since the 2th cent%ry! It ha, seenHam,an Qarmat as one of its oices! It ha, also seen a lot of missionary wor& byario%s sects# each as im.assione, as the ne3t! /he IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« 4ission or aËwa

was a .resence there! /he IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« mission wor&e, on three layers the lowest wasthe foot sol,ier# calle, the 7i,a$ai# then the 'afÄ«& or 8comra,e8# an, finally the aËÄ«or 8missionary8# who wor&e, for the aËwa 84ission8!

9o%n Hassan came in to%ch here with Amira arrab# a 'afee&# who intro,%ce, him tothe IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« ,octrine! :ith this ,octrine# Hassan was %nim.resse, he consi,ere, itto be merely an aberration of tho%ht# not at all at .ar with the S%nnah! As he metarrab# .artici.atin in many .assionate ,ebates that ,isc%sse, the merits of IsmÄ$Ä«loer 4;«sÄ# Hassan$s res.ect rew! <ow# becomin im.resse, with the coniction ofarrab# Hassan ,eci,e, to ,ele ,ee.er into IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« ,octrines an, beliefs! :ith hischaracteristic ,e,ication an, feror# Hassan s.ent many months obliio%s to all b%t hisin=%iry rea,in till late in the niht an, carin little for s%stenance an, ict%als# Hassanbean to see merit in switchin to IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« eyes! Hassan conerte, an, sworealleiance to the 7atimi, cali.h in >airo! His st%,ies ,i, not en, with his crossin oer!

He f%rther st%,ie, %n,er two other aËiyyÄ«n# an, as he .rocee,e, on his .ath# he was loo&e, %.on with eyes of res.ect! 7or his yo%n ae# Hassan ha, ,one well!

Hassan$s a%stere an, ,eote, commitment to the aËwa bro%ht him in a%,ience withthe chief aËÄ« of the reion ËAb, al-4ali& ibn Attash! Attash# s%itably im.resse,

with the yo%n seenteen year ol, Hassan# ma,e him ,e.%ty aËÄ«# an, a,ise, himto o to >airo to f%rther his st%,ies!

Hassan ,i, not forthwith o to >airo! Here the life of Hassan ets mi3e, with leen, an,e3tremes! /here is a .o.%lar leen, associate, with Hassan# ?mar @hayym# an, the.rime minister of the SelB%& /%r&s# <iCam al-4%l&! /here was a .act amonst the three

whoeer was the faore, of fort%ne wo%l,# in t%rn# hel. the other two! <iCam al-4%l& )thename translates to 84inister of State8+ rose to a .osition of .rominence in the co%rt ofthe /%r&s who r%le, those areas! He ot ?mar @hayym a..ointe, as co%rt .oet an,mathematician! Hassan too was then rante, an office in the co%rt!



:or&in his way %. the hierarchy# Hassan became the Intellience >hief an, bean toaim for the .ost of <iCam al-4%l&! Dettin a whiff of Hassan$s ambition# <iCam al-4%l&resole, to shame him in front of all the co%rt! An inenio%s scheme was tho%ht of

Hassan too& %.on himself of f%rnishin the recor,s of the entire &in,om in B%st E0 ,ays!All went smoothly %ntil the final ,ay when Hassan was to .resent the recor,s!Somebo,y ha, tam.ere, with his .a.ers an, he co%l, not ma&e his .resentation! /he&in )84ali& Shah#8 which are the wor,s for 8@in8 in Arabic an, Persian# res.ectiely+

was f%rio%s! He sentence, Hassan to ,eath! It was on the .lea of ?mar @hayym thatthe sentence was terminate,# an, Hassan was instea, banishe, from the &in,om!

/here is a a. in this leen, <iCam al-4%l& was far senior in ae to both Hassan an,?mar# hence the three hain been .art of a .act is %nli&ely! Some historians hae

.ost%late, that Hassan# followin his conersion# was .layin host to some members ofthe 7atimi, cali.hate# an, this was lea&e, to the anti-7atimi, an, anti-ShÄ«Ëa <iCamal-4%l&! /his .rom.te, his aban,onin 'ayy an, hea,in to >airo! He left the city in10*6!

Hassan too& abo%t ( years to reach >airo! Alon the way he to%re, many other reionsthat ,i, not fall in the eneral ,irection of "y.t! Isfahan was the first city that he isite,!He was hoste, by one of his aËiyyÄ«n of yo%th# a man who ha, ta%ht the yo%thf%lHassan in 'ayy! His name was 'esi Ab%fasl# an, he f%rther instr%cte, Hassan! 7romhere he went to ACerbaiBan# h%n,re,s of miles to the north# an, from there to /%r&ey!Here he attracte, the ire of .riests followin a heate, ,isc%ssion# an, Hassan wasthrown o%t of the town he was in! He then t%rne, so%th an, traele, thro%h Ira=#reache, amasc%s in Syria! He left for "y.t from Palestine! 'ecor,s e3ist# some in theframentary remains of his a%tobiora.hy# an, from another biora.hy written by 'ashi,al-in /abib in 1F10# to ,ate his arrial in "y.t at F0 A%%st# 10*G!

It is %nclear how lon he staye, in "y.t abo%t F years is the %s%ally acce.te, amo%ntof time! He contin%e, his st%,ies here# an, became a f%ll aËÄ«! /he conce.t that hestoo, for containe, all at once Shi$ite an, .re-Islamic Dree&# Persian# an, abylonian.hiloso.hies! It was Ali an, o.enly o..ose, to the Abassi, S%nnis# whom they so%ht tooerthrow they also beliee, in comm%nity serice!

:hilst he was in >airo# st%,yin an, .reachin# he %.set the hihly e3citable >hief ofthe Army# a,r al-JamalÄ«! It is also sai, by later so%rces that the Ismaili Imam->ali.hal-4%stansir informe, Hassan that his el,er son <iCar wo%l, be the ne3t Imam! Hassan



was briefly im.risone, by a,r al-Jamali! /he colla.se of a minaret of the Bail was ta&ento be an omen in the faor of Hassan an, he was .rom.tly release, an, ,e.orte,! /heshi. that he was traelin on was wrec&e,! He was resc%e, an, ta&en to Syria!/raelin ia Ale..o an, ah,a,# he terminate, his Bo%rney at Isfahan in 10G1!

Hassan$s life now was totally ,eote, to the aËwa! /here was not one .lace in IranHassan ,i, not isit! /o the north of Iran# an, to%chin the so%th shore of the >as.ianSea# are the mo%ntains of AlborC! /hese mo%ntains were home to a .eo.le who ha,tra,itionally resiste, all attem.ts at s%bB%ation this .lace was also of ShÄ«Ëa leanin!:ithin these mo%ntains# in the reion of aylam# Hassan chose to .%rs%e his aËÄ«actiities! Hassan became the >hief aËÄ« of that area an, sent his .ersonally traine,missionaries into the rest of the reion! /he news of this IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ«$s actiities reache,the intolerant <iCam al-4%l&# who ,is.atche, his sol,iers with the or,ers for Hassan$sca.t%re! Hassan ea,e, them# an, went ,ee.er into the mo%ntains!

Ke,itL >a.t%re of Alam%t

Hashshashin fortress of Alam%t!His search for a base from where to %i,e his missionen,e, when he fo%n, the castle of Alam%t# in the '%,bar area# in 10GG! It was a fort thatstoo, %ar, to a alley that was abo%t fifty &ilometers lon an, fie &ilometers wi,e! /he

fort ha, been b%ilt abo%t the year G65 leen, has it that it was b%ilt by a &in who sawhis eale fly %. to an, .erch %.on a roc&# of which the &in# :ah S%,an ibn 4arC%ban#%n,erstoo, the im.ortance! Mi&enin the .erchin of the eale to a lesson ien by it# hecalle, the fort Al%h Am%t the 8"ales /eachin8!

Hassan$s ta&eoer of the fort was one of silent s%rren,er in the face of ,efeate, o,,s! /oeffect this ta&eoer Hassan em.loye, an inenio%s stratey it too& the better .art of twoyears to effect! 7irst Hassan sent his aËiyyÄ«n an, 'afÄ«&s to win the illaes in thealley oer! <e3t# &ey .eo.le were conerte, an, in 1020 Hassan too& oer the fort! It is

sai, that Hassan offere, F000 ol, ,inars to the fort owner for the amo%nt of lan, that wo%l, fit a b%ffalo$s hi,e! /he term hain been aree, %.on# Hassan c%t the hi,e in tostri.s an, Boine, them all oer alon the .erimeter of the fort! /he owner was ,efeate,!)/his story bears stri&in resemblance to Niril$s acco%nt of i,o$s fo%n,in of>arthae!+ Hassan ae him a ,raft on the name of a wealthy lan,lor, an, tol, him tota&e the money from him! Meen, f%rther has it that when the lan,lor, saw the ,raft withHassan$s sinat%re# he imme,iately .ai, the amo%nt to the fort owner# astonishin him!



:ith Alam%t as his# Hassan ,eote, himself so faithf%lly to st%,y# that it is sai, that in allthe years that he was there O almost F5# he neer left his =%arters# e3ce.t the two times

when he went %. to the roof! He was st%,yin# translatin# .rayin# fastin# an, ,irectin

the actiities of the aËwa the .ro.aation of the <iCarÄ« ,octrine was hea,=%artere,at Alam%t! He &new the Q%r$Än by heart# co%l, =%ote e3tensiely from the te3ts of most4%slim sects# an, a.art from .hiloso.hy# he was well erse, in mathematics# astronomyan, alchemy! Hassan was one who fo%n, solace in a%sterity an, fr%ality! A .io%s life

was one of .rayer an, ,eotion! Hassan was a charismatic reol%tionary it was sai,that by the sheer raity of his coniction he co%l, .ierce the har,est an, most ortho,o3of hearts an, win them oer to his si,e!

Dien the .illars of ,eote, a,herence to the .ath of the faith# it is %nli&ely that the

%s%ally acce.te, 8Assassin8 .ost%late is acc%rate! Hassan ha, his son e3ec%te, for,rin&in wine an, another .erson was banishe, from Alam%t for .layin the fl%te! /hetheories of Hassan bein associate, with Hashish are# at best# ,ebatable! 7%rthermorethere hae emere, traces that there was a name ien to Alam%t by the .eo.le with<iCarÄ« leanins al-Assas 8the fo%n,ation8! It was the base for all o.erations thatHassan wishe, to effect! 4embers of al-Assas were &nown as al-AssasÄ«n!

7rom this .oint on his comm%nity an, its branches s.rea, thro%ho%t Iran an, Syria an,came to be calle, Hashshashin or Assassins# an Islamic mystery c%lt!

Hassan was e3tremely strict an, ,isci.line,! /he eent of the Dreat 'es%rrection )al-=iyÄmat al-&%brÄ+ occ%rre, %n,er the later Ismaili Imam Hasan ala-,hi&rihi as-salaamin 116E!

<ot m%ch is &nown abo%t Hassan# b%t leen,s abo%n, as to the tactics %se, to in,%ctmembers into his =%asi-reliio%s .olitical oraniCation! A f%t%re assassin was s%bBecte,to rites ery similar to those of other mystery c%lts in which the s%bBect was ma,e to

beliee that he was in imminent ,aner of ,eath! %t the twist of the assassins was thatthey ,r%e, the .erson to sim%late a 8,yin8 to later hae them awa&en in a ar,enflowin with wine an, sere, a s%m.t%o%s feast by irins! /he s%..licant was thenconince, he was in Heaen an, that Sabbah was a re.resentatie of the ,iinity an,that all of his or,ers sho%l, be followe,# een to ,eath! /his leen, ,eries from 4arcoPolo# who isite, Alam%t B%st after it fell to the 4onols in the thirteenth cent%ry!



?ther acco%nts of the in,octrination attest that the f%t%re assassins were bro%ht toAlam%t at a yo%n ae an,# while they mat%re,# inhabite, the aforementione,.ara,isaical ar,ens an, were &e.t ,r%e, with hashish as in the .reio%s ersion#Hassan occ%.ie, this ar,en as a ,iine emissary! At a certain .oint )when theirinitiation co%l, be sai, to hae be%n+ the ,r% was with,rawn from them# an, they were

remoe, from the ar,ens an, fl%n into a ,%neon! /here they were informe, that# ifthey wishe, to ret%rn to the .ara,ise they ha, so recently enBoye, it wo%l, be atSabbah$s ,iscretion# an, that they m%st therefore follow his ,irections e3actly# %. to an,incl%,in m%r,er an, self-sacrifice!

sinasayan

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Hassan ibn SabbÄ was born in the city of Qom in Persia in 1056 to a family of IthnaAshariya ShÄ«Ëa! "arly in his life# his family$s fort%nes too& them to 'ayy# abo%t 1(0&ilometres )*5 miles+ from Iran$s mo,ern-,ay ca.ital city of /ehran! It was in this centerof reliio%s matrices that Hassan ,eelo.e, a &een interest in meta.hysical matters# an,a,here, to the /weler Shi$ite co,e of instr%ction!

'ayy was a city that ha, seen a lot of ra,ical tho%ht since the 2th cent%ry! It ha, seenHam,an Qarmat as one of its oices! It ha, also seen a lot of missionary wor& byario%s sects# each as im.assione, as the ne3t! /he IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« 4ission or aËwa

was a .resence there! /he IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« mission wor&e, on three layers the lowest wasthe foot sol,ier# calle, the 7i,a$ai# then the 'afÄ«& or 8comra,e8# an, finally the aËÄ«or 8missionary8# who wor&e, for the aËwa 84ission8!

9o%n Hassan came in to%ch here with Amira arrab# a 'afee&# who intro,%ce, him tothe IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« ,octrine! :ith this ,octrine# Hassan was %nim.resse, he consi,ere, itto be merely an aberration of tho%ht# not at all at .ar with the S%nnah! As he metarrab# .artici.atin in many .assionate ,ebates that ,isc%sse, the merits of IsmÄ$Ä«loer 4;«sÄ# Hassan$s res.ect rew! <ow# becomin im.resse, with the coniction ofarrab# Hassan ,eci,e, to ,ele ,ee.er into IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« ,octrines an, beliefs! :ith hischaracteristic ,e,ication an, feror# Hassan s.ent many months obliio%s to all b%t hisin=%iry rea,in till late in the niht an, carin little for s%stenance an, ict%als# Hassan

bean to see merit in switchin to IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ« eyes! Hassan conerte, an, sworealleiance to the 7atimi, cali.h in >airo! His st%,ies ,i, not en, with his crossin oer!He f%rther st%,ie, %n,er two other aËiyyÄ«n# an, as he .rocee,e, on his .ath# he

was loo&e, %.on with eyes of res.ect! 7or his yo%n ae# Hassan ha, ,one well!

Hassan$s a%stere an, ,eote, commitment to the aËwa bro%ht him in a%,ience with





al-in /abib in 1F10# to ,ate his arrial in "y.t at F0 A%%st# 10*G!

It is %nclear how lon he staye, in "y.t abo%t F years is the %s%ally acce.te, amo%ntof time! He contin%e, his st%,ies here# an, became a f%ll aËÄ«! /he conce.t that he

stoo, for containe, all at once Shi$ite an, .re-Islamic Dree&# Persian# an, abylonian.hiloso.hies! It was Ali an, o.enly o..ose, to the Abassi, S%nnis# whom they so%ht tooerthrow they also beliee, in comm%nity serice!

:hilst he was in >airo# st%,yin an, .reachin# he %.set the hihly e3citable >hief ofthe Army# a,r al-JamalÄ«! It is also sai, by later so%rces that the Ismaili Imam->ali.hal-4%stansir informe, Hassan that his el,er son <iCar wo%l, be the ne3t Imam! Hassan

was briefly im.risone, by a,r al-Jamali! /he colla.se of a minaret of the Bail was ta&ento be an omen in the faor of Hassan an, he was .rom.tly release, an, ,e.orte,! /he

shi. that he was traelin on was wrec&e,! He was resc%e, an, ta&en to Syria!/raelin ia Ale..o an, ah,a,# he terminate, his Bo%rney at Isfahan in 10G1!

Hassan$s life now was totally ,eote, to the aËwa! /here was not one .lace in IranHassan ,i, not isit! /o the north of Iran# an, to%chin the so%th shore of the >as.ianSea# are the mo%ntains of AlborC! /hese mo%ntains were home to a .eo.le who ha,tra,itionally resiste, all attem.ts at s%bB%ation this .lace was also of ShÄ«Ëa leanin!:ithin these mo%ntains# in the reion of aylam# Hassan chose to .%rs%e his aËÄ«actiities! Hassan became the >hief aËÄ« of that area an, sent his .ersonally traine,

missionaries into the rest of the reion! /he news of this IsmÄ$Ä«lÄ«$s actiities reache,the intolerant <iCam al-4%l&# who ,is.atche, his sol,iers with the or,ers for Hassan$sca.t%re! Hassan ea,e, them# an, went ,ee.er into the mo%ntains!

Ke,itL >a.t%re of Alam%t

Hashshashin fortress of Alam%t!His search for a base from where to %i,e his missionen,e, when he fo%n, the castle of Alam%t# in the '%,bar area# in 10GG! It was a fort thatstoo, %ar, to a alley that was abo%t fifty &ilometers lon an, fie &ilometers wi,e! /hefort ha, been b%ilt abo%t the year G65 leen, has it that it was b%ilt by a &in who sawhis eale fly %. to an, .erch %.on a roc&# of which the &in# :ah S%,an ibn 4arC%ban#%n,erstoo, the im.ortance! Mi&enin the .erchin of the eale to a lesson ien by it# hecalle, the fort Al%h Am%t the 8"ales /eachin8!



Hassan$s ta&eoer of the fort was one of silent s%rren,er in the face of ,efeate, o,,s! /oeffect this ta&eoer Hassan em.loye, an inenio%s stratey it too& the better .art of twoyears to effect! 7irst Hassan sent his aËiyyÄ«n an, 'afÄ«&s to win the illaes in the

alley oer! <e3t# &ey .eo.le were conerte, an, in 1020 Hassan too& oer the fort! It issai, that Hassan offere, F000 ol, ,inars to the fort owner for the amo%nt of lan, that wo%l, fit a b%ffalo$s hi,e! /he term hain been aree, %.on# Hassan c%t the hi,e in tostri.s an, Boine, them all oer alon the .erimeter of the fort! /he owner was ,efeate,!)/his story bears stri&in resemblance to Niril$s acco%nt of i,o$s fo%n,in of>arthae!+ Hassan ae him a ,raft on the name of a wealthy lan,lor, an, tol, him tota&e the money from him! Meen, f%rther has it that when the lan,lor, saw the ,raft withHassan$s sinat%re# he imme,iately .ai, the amo%nt to the fort owner# astonishin him!

:ith Alam%t as his# Hassan ,eote, himself so faithf%lly to st%,y# that it is sai, that in allthe years that he was there O almost F5# he neer left his =%arters# e3ce.t the two times when he went %. to the roof! He was st%,yin# translatin# .rayin# fastin# an, ,irectinthe actiities of the aËwa the .ro.aation of the <iCarÄ« ,octrine was hea,=%artere,at Alam%t! He &new the Q%r$Än by heart# co%l, =%ote e3tensiely from the te3ts of most4%slim sects# an, a.art from .hiloso.hy# he was well erse, in mathematics# astronomyan, alchemy! Hassan was one who fo%n, solace in a%sterity an, fr%ality! A .io%s life

was one of .rayer an, ,eotion! Hassan was a charismatic reol%tionary it was sai,that by the sheer raity of his coniction he co%l, .ierce the har,est an, most ortho,o3of hearts an, win them oer to his si,e!

Dien the .illars of ,eote, a,herence to the .ath of the faith# it is %nli&ely that the%s%ally acce.te, 8Assassin8 .ost%late is acc%rate! Hassan ha, his son e3ec%te, for,rin&in wine an, another .erson was banishe, from Alam%t for .layin the fl%te! /hetheories of Hassan bein associate, with Hashish are# at best# ,ebatable! 7%rthermorethere hae emere, traces that there was a name ien to Alam%t by the .eo.le with<iCarÄ« leanins al-Assas 8the fo%n,ation8! It was the base for all o.erations thatHassan wishe, to effect! 4embers of al-Assas were &nown as al-AssasÄ«n!

7rom this .oint on his comm%nity an, its branches s.rea, thro%ho%t Iran an, Syria an,came to be calle, Hashshashin or Assassins# an Islamic mystery c%lt!

Hassan was e3tremely strict an, ,isci.line,! /he eent of the Dreat 'es%rrection )al-=iyÄmat al-&%brÄ+ occ%rre, %n,er the later Ismaili Imam Hasan ala-,hi&rihi as-salaamin 116E!



<ot m%ch is &nown abo%t Hassan# b%t leen,s abo%n, as to the tactics %se, to in,%ctmembers into his =%asi-reliio%s .olitical oraniCation! A f%t%re assassin was s%bBecte,to rites ery similar to those of other mystery c%lts in which the s%bBect was ma,e to

beliee that he was in imminent ,aner of ,eath! %t the twist of the assassins was thatthey ,r%e, the .erson to sim%late a 8,yin8 to later hae them awa&en in a ar,enflowin with wine an, sere, a s%m.t%o%s feast by irins! /he s%..licant was thenconince, he was in Heaen an, that Sabbah was a re.resentatie of the ,iinity an,that all of his or,ers sho%l, be followe,# een to ,eath! /his leen, ,eries from 4arcoPolo# who isite, Alam%t B%st after it fell to the 4onols in the thirteenth cent%ry!

?ther acco%nts of the in,octrination attest that the f%t%re assassins were bro%ht toAlam%t at a yo%n ae an,# while they mat%re,# inhabite, the aforementione,

.ara,isaical ar,ens an, were &e.t ,r%e, with hashish as in the .reio%s ersion#Hassan occ%.ie, this ar,en as a ,iine emissary! At a certain .oint )when theirinitiation co%l, be sai, to hae be%n+ the ,r% was with,rawn from them# an, they wereremoe, from the ar,ens an, fl%n into a ,%neon! /here they were informe, that# ifthey wishe, to ret%rn to the .ara,ise they ha, so recently enBoye, it wo%l, be atSabbah$s ,iscretion# an, that they m%st therefore follow his ,irections e3actly# %. to an,incl%,in m%r,er an, self-sacrifice!

Mhor&an

05-1(-(00G# 11FG A4

tl,r

HannahIs4y<ame

05-1(-(00G# 1(1* P4

,i, % et that off wi&i.e,ia# i was B%st rea,in that on it abo%t 10 min%tes ao

4c4asterJ

05-1(-(00G# 1(1* P4

>onrats! 9o% &now how to %se :i&i.e,ia! <ow %se oole an, fin, me the ,efinition of,es%ltory!

altaireo

05-1(-(00G# 1((6 P4

rea, ernar, Mewis too -- this %ys$ .ost is corroborate, by him!



obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 1(01 A4

:ell# it ,oes say at the beinnin of the ame that it$s base, on real historical characters

altaireo

05-1F-(00G# 0*F6 A4

while on to.ic of assassins ,oes anyone hae ,etaile, info on the Assassin hotca&esthat they left by their ictim why ca&e

why ,i, n$t they eat them on the way to the assassination i bet they ot h%nry! or werethey .oisone,

Scythe?fDrim

05-1F-(00G# 02F6 A4

?ooh!!! can$t wait for 4o==y to fin, this!!! htt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRimaesRsmiliesR52!if

altaireo

05-1F-(00G# 02F* A4

Drim# tell him

@a3en6

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while on to.ic of assassins ,oes anyone hae ,etaile, info on the Assassin hotca&esthat they left by their ictim why ca&e

why ,i, n$t they eat them on the way to the assassination i bet they ot h%nry! or werethey .oisone, R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

WtWt I$e been insane eno%h to attem.t to fin, o%t if for some reason the reci.e isfloatin online!!! b%t I only fo%n, reci.es for coo&ies an, c%rry!!! --$ informationaltoether on assassin ca&e is har, to fin,! /ho%h the ca&e that Sinan left for Sala,in

was .oisone,!!!

HannahIs4y<ame

05-1F-(00G# 10E1 A4

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I .robably wo%l,n$t fair ery well in that time then! If i wo&e %. an, fo%n, a ca&e besi,eme i wo%l, .robably eat it!

@a3en6

05-1F-(00G# 10EG A4

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I .robably wo%l,n$t fair ery well in that time then! If i wo&e %. an, fo%n, a ca&e besi,eme i wo%l, .robably eat it! R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

"en ca&e left behin, by someone with the intention to shan& yo% if yo% ,on$t cease an,,esist whateer it is yo% are ,oin to ma&e them .isse, off

HannahIs4y<ame

05-1F-(00G# 1051 A4

hmmm i ,on$t &now# ,e.en,s on what flao%r ca&e it was!htt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRro%.eecommonRemoticonsRiconsmile!if

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 111( A4

All ca&e is oo,! >a&e is a oo, way to ,ie

HannahIs4y<ame

05-1F-(00G# 111* A4

i aree with % bobfish# all ca&e is oo,# es.ecially chocolate ca&e!

.raise the chocolate ca&e htt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRimaesRsmiliesR11!if

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11(0 A4

4aybe it wasn$t really .oisone,! 4aybe the Hash X Ashin ma,e an!!!ahem# s.ace ca&ehtt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRro%.eecommonRemoticonsRiconwin&!if

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obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11(E A4

?r maybe it was both! So yo%$, hall%cinate to ,eath

mo==y

05-1F-(00G# 11(E A4

Al m%alim wo%l, be Sinan# not Hasan Sabbah!

/he whole ca&e thin so%n,s li&e a myth! I ,on$t remember if it has been .roen it is amyth# b%t they trie, to &ill Sala,in twice# an, faile,! If they co%l, leae a .oisone, ca&ene3t to him# how co%l,n$t they &ill him

An, altaireo yo% mentione, 8ca&es that thye left by their ictim8# the leen, only saysthey left it once# to Sala,in

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11(5 A4

%t myhts are more f%n when yo% ta&e flihts of fancy with the tr%th an, t%rn them intosomethin .atently ri,ic%lo%s

mo==y

05-1F-(00G# 11(2 A4

An, after rea,in the oriinal .ost a little bit# it een mentions the ,r%in of theassassins an, the ar,enshtt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRro%.eecommonRemoticonsRiconrolleyes!if

He ,i,n$t co.y that from a ery reliable so%rce# it seems

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11F0 A4

:hat ma&es yo% say that

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mo==y

05-1F-(00G# 11F* A4

:hat Are yo% craCy

If yo% want a reliable so%rce abo%t the assassins# this is a oo, one!

htt.RRwww!accam.bell!%&lin%3!netRassassinsRassassins-htmlRsinan!html

>ha.ter E for the assassins also seen in A>! /hose are the ones who they sho%l, bebase, off!

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11E0 A4

9o%r correct answer sho%l, hae been 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYbas8 b%t that wor&stoo

mo==y

05-1F-(00G# 11E( A4

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obfishAlmiht

9o%r correct answer sho%l, hae been 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYbas8 b%t that wor&stoo R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

It$s not from :i&i.e,ia!

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 11E6 A4

/hat$s besi,e the .oint 8wi&i.e,ia is written by YYYYYYbas8 beats all other ar%ments

lair>%llen0(

05-1F-(00G# 1(1E P4

It$s f%nny! /he to.ic creator hasn$t sai, anythin yet!

http://www.accampbell.uklinux.net/assassins/assassins-html/sinan.html

http://www.accampbell.uklinux.net/assassins/assassins-html/sinan.html



/he ca&e is a lie!!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1F-(00G# 1(1* P4

"erythin is .ermitte,

altaireo

05-1F-(00G# 0152 P4

nothin is tr%e -- not een the scanty info on assassins then! what a shamehtt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRimaesRsmiliesRbitears!if

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0*EG A4

Aww# Ma,y A Yhorse h%sY ,on$t be afrai,! /his means yo% can ,o anythin yo% want toAltaXr an, neer be .rosec%te, beca%se his alleation is ma,e false by his owna,mission htt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRro%.eecommonRemoticonsRiconbirin!if

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0*56 A4

what an interestin s%estion! ill .%nish him for stic&in his robes into my la%n,ry!

anyway# bac& to the to.ic! ismailis were hihly .olitical relyin on their reliio%s i,eoloy-- some Boine, them not necessarily beca%se they beliee, b%t beca%se ismailisa..eare, to fiht for the little %y!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0G1F A4

9eah# that$s ery tr%e! Hence the first tenet of the >ree,

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0G(0 A4

the 1st tenet is a real one i B%st rea, that assassins were h%ntin bi .rey# no collateral,amae was to occ%r!

as for the other two assassinations were as .%blic as .ossible an, the brothers ,i, not

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bother ma&in an esca.e .lan! brotherhoo, com.romise,!!!

sinasayan

05-1E-(00G# 0G(5 A4

i .oste, it as a ery well &nown thin!! beca%se!! its obio%s that al m%allim is hasansabbah!!then i realiCe, that yo% %ys ,ont aware of eastern history an, the entry i.oste, its =%ite lon ) y the way its from wi&i.e,ia here is the lin&htt.RRen!wi&i.e,ia!orRwi&iRHassan-iSabbah+

let me ie yo% short history of him!! hasan sabbah create, the first .lanne, terroristoranisation in the history which calle, 8hashasin8! hashas is a .lant which marih%anama,e of! hasan sabbah .re.are, a manificient ar,en in the fortress ofalam%t)htt.RRim!bloc%!comR%.loa,sR&arnaalAlamoot!B.+ fille, it with bea%tif%l

women an, fr%its!! ae yo%n men hashas)marih%ana+ an, sai, them 8eery reliionoffers yo% heaen!! i am showin it to yo%8 with the effect of ano,yne they tho%h that itsreal!! an, to reach 8the heaen8 aain! they became a sol,ier of hasan sabbah! the wor,of 8assasin8 came from 8hashasin8 hashasin means a,,icte, to hashas!!) yo% can loo&roer crowley$s boo&s abo%t that+ an, another thin!! al m%allim means 8 the teacher8 inarabic lan%ae ! the hashasins were callin hasan sabbah as al m%allim also!! this istoo obio%s i trie, to e3.lain i &now my enlish is not eno%h!! its best i can ,o! if yo%.eo.le want more information abo%t him! 'ea, the fortress of alam%t!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0G(5 A4/hat$s ,ebatable! /here$s eno%h ei,ence to s%est that they either ma,e as bi ashow of the assassination as .ossible# for the obio%s .sycholoical im.act! ?r that they&e.t it as =%iet as .ossible an, then ha, moles ma&in wil, as.ersions abo%t it bein areally .%blic eent %ntil .eo.le beliee, it

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0G(2 A4

they een contacte, monols aainst their enemy @horaCm before those %ys ,eci,e,

ismailis were tro%blesome an, crashe, them!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0GFF A4

/he 4onols# Denhis @han in .artic%lar# are the first .eo.les re.orte, to %se.sycholoical warfare!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah




Sina Some of %s ,o &now mate! on$t worry# yo%r "nlish is was fine! It$s B%st that anyhistorical 8tr%ths8 will always be challene, by those who hae hear, other 8tr%ths8

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0GF6 A4

yea# when yo% et 10 000 horse archers charin an, then winin away after a hail ofarrows!!! that ten,s to ma&e an im.ression! they bro&e my co%ntry too!!! B%st so e%ro.eco%l, be safe!!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0GE0 A4

/hey ,i,n$t een nee, to be that oert! /hey$, sen, some of their own .eo.le in a few

,ays or wee&s before han, to s.rea, r%mo%rs abo%t what the barbaric hoar,s ha, ,oneat the .reio%s illae! 8/hey eat babies8# 8i, yo% hear that they c%t o%t their ownton%es in a fero%r of loyalty8 thins li&e that! So by the time @hans army was isible#they$, scar.er shar.ish

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0GE( A4

witho%t ei,ence har, to beliee tho%h -- %nless some s%riors fle, or were let o bymonols s.rea, it! an, r%mo%r ta&es root faster an, firmer with a little ei,ence

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0GEE A4

Aree,! %t there$s eno%h ei,ence to .roe# as m%ch as we can .roe anythin# thatr%mo%r was @hans first wea.on! of co%rse# we also &now that he was more than willinto bac& it %. with action! /he ,%,e ha, somethin li&e 150 &i,s as well

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0G50 A4

he ha, a friin em.ire from china to .olan,

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0G51 A4

/he entire &nown worl, at the time



altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 0G5F A4

r%mo%r ma,e it easier for him he neer ha, to ta&e the ismaili fortresses by force! theysim.ly s%rren,ere, them!!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0G55 A4

"3actly! ?f co%rse# the fact that he co%l, =%ite easily hae ta&en them by force anyway,i, ma&e his Bob a lot easier

@a3en6

05-1E-(00G# 0202 A4

M?>@QT?/" classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote8V,i classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-title8V=%oteR,iV,i classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?riinally .oste, by altaireo

r%mo%r ma,e it easier for him he neer ha, to ta&e the ismaili fortresses by force! theysim.ly s%rren,ere, them!!! R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

?ne fortress s%rren,ere, on acco%nt of r%nnin o%t of clean clothes ?o

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 021( A4

oo, one &a3!

they ,i, nt hae altair$s bleach! btw# is he iin to me anytime soon

maybe beca%se he &new fihtin in the mo%ntains %.hill co%l, be har, on archers an,horses! so why waste them

"I/ here is an interestin one assassins .ai, hos.itallers trib%te!!! well# well# well!!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 025( A4

/hey ,i, what they ha, to to s%rie



altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 100G A4

not only that!

they realiCe, that ta&in o%t one master meant that another wo%l, ta&e his .lace -- alm%alim calle, it a hy,ra! b%t if yo% &ille, a monarch who is a symbol of a centralise,oernment!! then yo% ,efinitely ma&e a .oint an, a mess!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 1011 A4

etter the ,eil yo% &now than the ,eil yo% ,on$t# as they say

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 101F A4

same sit%ation with al =%e,a &ill one %y# another .o.s %.! m%st$e learne, from thetem.lars!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 101E A4

I thin& the Al$Qae,a thin has been heaily oerstate, .ersonally

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 1016 A4

,ear bin la,en is still o%t there -- that$s my &in,a man! stay hi,,en! they$ll neer fin, him!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 101* A4

%t what has he really# act%ally ,one lately

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 1012 A4

he ,oes not hae to ,o anythin! fear of him is alrea,y so bi that all he has to ,o is B%ststay o%t of the way# really!

let the americans frihten themseles into a heartattac& an, his wor&$ll be ,one for himby them!



obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 10(( A4

"3actly the .oint I was ma&in

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 10(* A4

the one thin abo%t ismailis they ,i, not set themseles %. as assassins! rather# they%se, m%r,er as a terrorist thin! this is what ha..ens when .olitics an, reliion mi3!!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 10(2 A4

Isn$t reliion B%st really a more seere form of .olitics anyway

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 10F( A4

yo% &now what that is ery interestin reliion as .olitics! not only more seere more,omatic an, moralistic!!! therefore# more stic&y an, messy!

B%st loo& at the in=%isition %sin tort%re as reliio%sly sanctione, means for a .oliticalen, of maintainin control of the .o.%lation$s thin&in

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 10F5 A4

"en when reliion has been inten,e, to free the .eo.le# others hae %se, it to enslaean, control for their own nee,s! I thin&# once aain that .erha.s this re=%ires a threa, ofit$s own beca%se we$e one ,rastically off to.ic

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 105G A4

as far as i can see# the assassins were not a mystery c%lt b%t ismailis!

the whole .ai, m%r,er thin they allie, with thir, .arties who fi%re, to %se them an,then ,itch them for their own en,s! the ismailis ha, territories li&e .rinci.alities so theyha, to .rotect them -- that meant .layin .olitics with others aro%n, them! thir, .arties,i, not hire them so m%ch as collaborate,!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 1100 A4



Politics is# %nfort%nately# B%st a .art of the H%man con,ition

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 110E A4

b%t why co%l, nt they stay %nifie, that$s the one =%estion abo%t the ismailis an, othersects that i am still .%CClin oer!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 1105 A4

Politics ineitably lea,s to ,ifference of o.inion an, th%s schism

altaireo

05-1E-(00G# 1115 A4

they s.lit oer how to .ic& teeth for o,s sa&esZ

o the st%.i,ity of h%man raceZ

i won,er how they manae, to et .eo.le to %n,erstan, them! all that messianic st%ff!!! imean ,oes a .easant really care

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 111G A4

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%t at least I$m not ,iscriminatin

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 1(5G P4

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i .oste, it as a ery well &nown thin!! beca%se!! its obio%s that al m%allim is hasansabbah!!then i realiCe, that yo% %ys ,ont aware of eastern history an, the entry i.oste, its =%ite lon ) y the way its from wi&i.e,ia here is the lin&htt.RRen!wi&i.e,ia!orRwi&iRHassan-iSabbah+







let me ie yo% short history of him!! hasan sabbah create, the first .lanne, terroristoranisation in the history which calle, 8hashasin8! hashas is a .lant which marih%anama,e of! hasan sabbah .re.are, a manificient ar,en in the fortress of

alam%t)htt.RRim!bloc%!comR%.loa,sR&arnaalAlamoot!B.+ fille, it with bea%tif%l women an, fr%its!! ae yo%n men hashas)marih%ana+ an, sai, them 8eery reliionoffers yo% heaen!! i am showin it to yo%8 with the effect of ano,yne they tho%h that itsreal!! an, to reach 8the heaen8 aain! they became a sol,ier of hasan sabbah! the wor,of 8assasin8 came from 8hashasin8 hashasin means a,,icte, to hashas!!) yo% can loo&roer crowley$s boo&s abo%t that+ an, another thin!! al m%allim means 8 the teacher8 inarabic lan%ae ! the hashasins were callin hasan sabbah as al m%allim also!! this istoo obio%s i trie, to e3.lain i &now my enlish is not eno%h!! its best i can ,o! if yo%.eo.le want more information abo%t him! 'ea, the fortress of alam%t!!R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

/hen I realiCe, yo% ,on$t &now what yo%$re tal&in abo%t! Al m%alim is not HasanSabbah! :hy wo%l, he be

1+ Hasan Sabbah ,i, not create 8hashashin8! /hat$s a name ien to them by cr%sa,ers#an, only one m%slim acco%nt act%ally calls them that! /hey were the <iCari ismaili!

(+ /here was no ar,en fille, with bea%tif%l women an, fr%its!

F+ /hey ,i,n$t ta&e ,r%s

asically eery sinle thin in that .ost is false! Sih# it$s o&ay to be mis%i,e,# b%t ,on$tbe inorant! on$t claim that we ,on$t %n,erstan, if it is yo% who ,oesn$t!

As I alrea,y sai,# Al m%alim wo%l, be Sinan# not Hasan!

If yo% want# I can ie yo% a oo, so%rce for this online! If yo% are willin to learn#instea, of bein inorant!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0150 P4

/here$s no nee, to be r%,e abo%t it 4o

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 0152 P4



:ell# I miht hae been a bit too harsh# ,e.en,in on what he meant by

8then i realiCe, that yo% %ys ,ont aware of eastern history8

/hat$s =%ite a claim to ma&e# tho%h !!!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0(01 P4

As is claimin that yo%r ersion is %nassailably acc%rate! All this ha..ene, more than amillenia ao! <o matter how certain yo% are that what yo% &now is fact# it$s been sim.lytoo lon for %s to really &now! "s.ecially abo%t somethin with so many ,eliberatelymislea,in a,a.tations as the Hash X Ashin

/?DE6

05-1E-(00G# 0(0( P4

"s.ecially as .eo.le hae been .ostin st%ff li&e this an, =%otin :i&i since lon beforethe ame was een release,! htt.RRfor%ms!%bi!comRimaesRsmiliesR16316smiley-in,ifferent!if

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 0(06 P4

M?>@QT?/" classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote8V,i classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-title8V=%oteR,iV,i classU8i.-%bbco,e-=%ote-content8V?riinally .oste, byobfishAlmiht

As is claimin that yo%r ersion is %nassailably acc%rate! All this ha..ene, more than amillenia ao! <o matter how certain yo% are that what yo% &now is fact# it$s been sim.lytoo lon for %s to really &now! "s.ecially abo%t somethin with so many ,eliberatelymislea,in a,a.tations as the Hash X Ashin R,iVRM?>@QT?/"V

84y ersion8 is s%..orte, by loic# the scholars of that time# the mo,ern researchers# theboo&s written by the <iCari themseles et cetera! :hereas 8his ersion8 is onlys%..orte, by 4arco Polo# who showe, %. 150 years after the assassins ha, been,estroye,# an, ,i, no research what-so-eer!

obfishAlmiht

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I %n,erstan, that! %t it still ,oesn$t ma&e it fact

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 0F(G P4

So :e only &now ery few thins to be facts! :e only &now thins for a fact s%ch asthat a trianle always has three corners!

So it is com.letely fr%itless an, %seless to say 8well# yo% ,on$t &now it for a 7A>/Z <ot100[Z8

All the ei,ence s%..orts me in the <iCari ar%ment# therefore we miht aswell ta&e it fora fact!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0FF1 P4

Aain# I$m oin to hae to ,isaree with yo%! /here$s eno%h ei,ence to s%..ort whatyo%$e sai, as bein fact! /hat$s no the same thin! An, ,on$t et me wron# I$m notsayin yo%$re wron in any way! It$s all abo%t .ers.ectie! Sometimes all the facts in the

worl, cannot ,iss%a,e someone from their beliefs# an, I$m not B%st tal&in abo%t reliion#I mean abo%t lots of thins! 7or e3am.le# yo% sai, that the assassin$s ha, been,estroye, an, I$, say there is more than eno%h ei,ence to ref%te that as fact!

Howeer# both ersions are e=%ally s%..orte, an, li&ely# so which ,o yo% beliee/hat$s where choice comes in Ba

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 0FE0 P4

?h# b%t then it$s abo%t o.inions! /hat$s com.letely ,ifferent!

obfishAlmiht

05-1E-(00G# 0FEF P4

?nly in so far as which 8facts8 yo% choose to beliee! An, .lease# I ,on$t want yo% tothin& I$m bein ,eliberately contrary

mo==y

05-1E-(00G# 0F51 P4

/his has nothin to ,o with what I sai,# tho%h! /he ei,ence is not s.lit 50R50!



Secon,ly# if the ei,ence :?TM be s.lit 50R50# then yo% wo%l, be inorantRst%.i, toclaim what yo% say is absol%tely tr%e!

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