Geoff Wilson Polar Explorer - The Fitbits.com Podcast Transcription

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Geoff Wilson Polar Explorer Interview

May 2016

The Fitbits.com Podcastwith Anthony Idle

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"e!ale: Welo!e to the "it#its.o! Po$ast% where we show peoplewho want to be happy an$ healthy how to &et the !axi!'! fro! theirtrainin& an$ n'trition% even if they hate to exerise or $iet.

(nthony: I!a&ine bein& a'&ht o't in a stor! overni&ht b't it)s not *'stany stor!% it)s a 1 in +0 year stor! an$ yo')re in (ntartia. ,he win$sare howlin& li-e wolves all aro'n$ yo'. ,here)s only a one!illi!eterwall of nylon between yo' an$ $eath an$ yo')re 0-! into a %2-!en$'rane event. ,o$ay on the "it#its Po$ast% I)! *oine$ by GeoffWilson fro! +th Ele!ent Expe$itions% who is an 'ltraen$'rane athletean$ professional explorer. e)ll be thin-in& laterally in this po$ast as hetal-s abo't $iet% trainin&% the role of oahes% an$ &oin& past where the!in$ thin-s it an. ,han- yo' all for *oinin& 's on the "it#its.o!

Po$ast this !ornin&.

Geoff: 3eah% an$ &oo$ to be here.

(nthony: 4o I)ve &ot to as- strai&htaway% epi *o'rneys in the 4ahara%-ites'rfin& fro! ('stralia to Pap'a 5ew G'inea% r'nnin& o-o$a ,rials%it)s an 7'tba- trial% an$ then a ++$ay ha'l aross (ntartia% where thehell $oes all this fire in the belly o!e fro!8

Geoff: I often &et as-e$ that an$ for !e% it)s *'st the way I)! wire$. It)sertainly not that I)! &oin& thro'&h a prolon&e$% earlyto!i$life risisb't it)s $efinitely...I thin- if I loo- ba- at !y history% it)s always beenabo't *o'rneys% an$ rossin&s% an$ ylin&% yo' -now% fro! 9on$on to (fria or...at the a&e of 1 was probably !y !ost si&nifiant sort of early *o'rney b't it never really han&e$% whih is a &oo$ thin& bea'se it!eans that fa!ily are -in$ of a'sto!e$ to it an$ it)s not a sho- whenyo' s'$$enly say yo')re &oin& to $o so!ethin& o'tlan$ish. ,hey)re ;'ite'se$ to it. 4o yeah% it)s *'st in that part of !y <5(% I s'ppose.

(nthony: ,hat)s an interestin& point there% tal-in& abo't the fa!ily. I an)ti!a&ine how 4arah an$ so!e of the fa!ily feel when yo' fin$ yo'rself%yo' -now% yo' p't yo'rself in lifethreatenin& sit'ations re&'larly. ow$oes 4arah o!e to ope with those !o!ents8 ow $oes she $eal withthat8

Geoff: I thin-% at the !o!ent% it)s all ri&ht bea'se probably I)! stillphysially an$ !entally at the pea-. I thin- there)s $efinitely a rossoverbetween 0 an$ +0% where !entally yo')re sharp as yo' are b't

physially yo')re not as ;'i- or as a&ile. 4o I thin- $oin& what I)! $oin&an &et !ore $an&ero's as yo' start to &et ol$ if yo' $on)t reo&ni=e it)s

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ti!e to slow $own. ,he proble! with !y type of personality is that yo'beo!e obsesse$ with a parti'lar *o'rney an$ for !e% it)s the lon&estrossin& of (ntartia. It)s the obsession. I)ve &otta reo&ni=e at so!epoint if we $on)t &et that *o'rney o!plete% then I)! &onna lay it $own

before I $o what enry Worsley $i$ this season% whih is p'sh hi!selfbeyon$ what yo'r bo$y)s apable of en$'rin& an$ then yo' o!e ho!ein a ba&.

4o yeah% it)s ertainly% yo' -now% for fa!ily% when they)re onfi$ent thatyo')re at yo'r pea-% yo' an eval'ate an$ !a-e &oo$ $eisions% I thin-it)s easy for the! to *'stify that he)s &oo$ at &ettin& into tro'ble an$ &oo$at &ettin& o't of tro'ble. I thin- when it)ll &et $iffi'lt is when theyreo&ni=e before I $o that% >ey% yo')re not at the top of yo'r &a!e

any!ore. ,his is &ettin& $an&ero's.> (n$ !y pro!ise to the! is the!in'te I see !yself beo!in& less a&ile% less able to stay alive o'tthere% then it)s ti!e to tip the boots 'p.

(nthony: ,hat)s interestin&% yo' tal- abo't that bein& a&ile. 3o' p'tyo'rself thro'&h so!e inre$ible $epths. 3o' ta-e yo'rself into it beforebrea-in& thro'&h for yo'r ahieve!ents or yo'r wins. ?an yo' tell !ewhat $oes it feel li-e to !a-e these ahieve!ents part of yo'r life8 Isthere one that was parti'larly speial for yo'8 Whih one an$ why8

Geoff: 3eah% there)s so !any varie$. I !ean% rossin& the finish% &ettin&to the oast of (ntartia% @an'ary 201% an$ then reali=in& s'$$enlythat $espite all the ri&ors of that *o'rney% that I)$ prevaile$ an$ I)$ &oneho!e an$ was &oin& to see !y fa!ily a&ain was the absol'te hi&hli&htfor s're of !y a$vent'rin& areer. #'t then *'st this s'!!er% we)vebeen% !y son an$ I have been a$vent'rin& to&ether *'st off the oasthere% on the Gol$ ?oast% *'st learnin& how to free $ive an$ sharin& ti!ewith the !asters% learnin& how to breath hol$% an$ inrease l'n&apaity% an$ spen$ ti!e $own there% whih fish yo' an eat% whih fish

yo' an)t% an$ how to spear the!% how to tra- the!.

@'st this !ornin&% !y 1+yearol$ son &ot his first pela&i fish% whih isthe oean&rowin& !i&ratory fish% the 4panish !a-erel. 4o that wasanother hi&h. ,hat)s so!ethin& we)ve been trainin& to $o for 12 wee-snow. (n$ to$ay% we see the fish we)ve been hasin& all s'!!er. It)s notli-e fishin&% where yo' *'st &o o't there an$ $ra& a l're an$ it)s apotl'-. ,his is at'ally learnin& to be in their environ!ent. 3o')res'$$enly part of the foo$ hain an$ yo' an &et eaten *'st as !'h as

yo')re tryin& to eat so!ethin&. 4o it)s real !a&i. ,his !ornin& was *'stanother one of those wil$erness hi&hs% where yo' o!e to the en$ of






the trainin& proess an$ yo' feel li-e yo')re &ettin& it.

(nthony: "'n. Won$erf'l. 3o')re *'st tal-in& abo't the trainin& proess.3o')ve &ot so!e real stron& people in an$ aro'n$ yo'r tea!. ?o'l$ yo'

tell 's abo't the physial preparation yo' &o thro'&h8 ow lon& $o yo'train for8 What tehni;'es $o yo' 'se8 (n$ how $o yo' -now whenyo'r bo$y)s rea$y witho't &oin& too far8

Geoff: ,hat)s always a $iffi'lt balane bea'se% with eah part of these *o'rneys% there)s 's'ally a very $iffi'lt per!issions proess. #ea'sefor !e% I have no interest in *oinin& a line of li!bers% sha-le$ 'n$er ara-e A4PB to &o to a pea- that)s been li!be$ 6%000 ti!es before. "or!e% it)s abo't fin$in& a *o'rney that either has inre$ible historial

si&nifiane li-e it was $one in the early 100s by an explorer that Irespet an$ a$!ire. ,hat really ti-les !y fany. 7r fin$in& a ontinent%or $eserts% or a nation that)s never been rosse$ 'sin&% parti'larly win$power an$ s-ies% or win$ power an$ a -iteboar$% or a b'&&y. ,hat)sreally !y interest area. 4o the per!issions proess is often $iffi'ltbea'se nobo$y)s $one it before% b't $'rin& that per!issions proess%yo' &o train as tho'&h everythin& is &oin& to plan.

,he $iffi'lty with this next *o'rney% the lon&est *o'rney aross (ntartia% is that it)s never been $one before. ,here)s no pree$ent% sothe per!issions proess is really lon&win$e$. We)ve been &oin& for twoyears now. I *'st ha$ another setba-% an$ I)! trainin& as tho'&h I)!&oin& in 7tober% b't it !ay not happen. 4o yo')re -in$ of -eepin& yo'rbo$y prepare$ so that at a !o!ent)s notie% yo' an ra!p 'p thetrainin&. I oasionally arry in*'ries an$ yo'r s'pport tea!% a physio$otor% beo!e very i!portant. ,hey)re not in*'ries yo' want ever tohappen $'rin& a lon& rossin& bea'se if they)$ stop yo' &ettin& ho!e. (n$ I thin- I over traine$ for (ntartia. I *'st went so har$ bea'sethere)s a bi& ele!ent of $o'bt. I wasn)t s're how to'&h it wo'l$ be% b't

I)ve traine$ so har$ that there were ti!es on the *o'rney that I tho'&htba- to !y trainin& an$ really felt that nothin& ha$ been as to'&h aswhat I p't !yself thro'&h in the trainin& phase. (n$ that)s really whatevery trainin& pro&ra! sho'l$ be li-e. ,he at'al event sho'l$ be easier than the trainin& pro&ra!. 4o it)s Aina'$ible 00:0:0B less *oy on the *o'rney instea$ of !ore *oy on the *o'rney.

(nthony: (n$ speifially that trainin&% I -now yo')re 'p in the (rti?irle% was that... I won$er abo't yo'. It)s s'h 'ltraen$'rane% b't then

when yo')re p'llin&% what is it...00 po'n$s or is it 00... ow heavy isthat sle$ that yo' p'll8






Geoff: ,he sle$ is abo't 10 -ilos% so what)s that8 (bo't +00 po'n$s8

(nthony: 4o that)s pretty !'h a stren&th wor-o't8 Is it lower bo$y an$

ore stren&th that yo' nee$ to $ra& that thin& alon&8

Geoff: 3eah% it)s a lot of yo'r ;'a$s% yo'r hip flexors% an$ yo'r lowerba-% an$ that)s where the trainin& o!es in. 3o' an)t... We reently $i$a twowee- trainin& in 5orway% an$ I $on)t thin- I too- it serio'slyeno'&h in the pretrainin& an$ I $i$ !y ba- on the seon$ $ay. 4o thisis part of reo&ni=in& that% as yo' &o ol$er% yo')ve &otta p't !ore ti!einto flexibility an$ stren&th wor-. It $oesn)t !ean yo' have to ba- off. It *'st !eans it)s not li-e when yo')re in yo'r 20s. 3o' an)t *'st hop o't of

be$ an$ &o p'll a sle$. 3o')ve &ot to war! 'p an$ ir'it. 3eah% it)s$efinitely to'&h on the Aina'$ible 00:0C:1B. I thin- !entally% it)s probably!ore of a hallen&e as a solo traveler. (n$ !ental an&'ish% so!epeople *'st love their own o!pany. It)s never a proble!. #'t MattyM5air who I traine$ with in the (rti% sai$ to !e% >Geoff% I)! happy withyo'r s-ills. I)! happy with yo'r en$'rane. I worry that yo')re a peopleperson an$ yo')ll fin$ solit'$e to be a hallen&e.>

(nthony: @'st on that !ental% that !ental file% wo'l$ yo' !ean tellin& 'sa little abo't one of yo'r $ar-est plaes yo' fo'n$ yo'rself in% how)$ yo'arrive there% an$ what approah $i$ yo' ta-e to li!b o't of that hole sothat yo')re able to !ove forwar$8

Geoff: 3eah% I thin- in every *o'rney% there)s a low point. (n$ I thin- inthe 4ahara <esert *o'rney% we were 20 $ays into a 2%+00-ilo!eter$esert rossin&% an$ we ha$ overe$ less than +00 -ilo!eters. It was *'st ar$'o's% an$ it *'st...yo' &et to a point where it see!s i!possible too!plete the tas-% the *o'rney. (n$ at that point% havin& ha$ eno'&h *o'rneys with ba$ starts% yo' $evelop a bit of a resiliene or fi&ht that the

ri&ht balane of $eter!ination% prayer% whatever yo' all it% fi&ht% yo' anp'll yo'rself o't of any hole an$ arry on &oin&. ,here)s obvio'sly abrea-in& point where &ear brea-s beyon$ repair or bo$y brea-s% or yo'-now% yo' r'n o't of ti!e physially% an$ it)s a no win sit'ation. #

#'t in (ntartia% I thin- the lowest point was losin& two wee-s) worth offoo$ an$ reali=in& I $i$n)t have eno'&h to &et aross the ontinentwitho't a res'pply. ,hat was probably the lowest point in that *o'rney. (n$ yo' &o fro! feelin& li-e yo')ve str'&&le$ for 2+% 0 $ays to &et to

this point% an$ then !a$e a !on'!ental !ista-e% lost foo$ an$ p'tyo'rself in a $iffi'lt sit'ation. It an be very easy to &o into a selfbla!e






-in$ of yle. (n$ how st'pi$ that was. (n$ then yo' sort of o!eo't...as lon& as yo' rest eno'&h to re&ro'p% o!e o't an$ &o% >7-ay%what $o I have to $o to !a-e this witho't a res'pply8 (n$ in thatparti'lar *o'rney% it was all abo't travelin& for lon&er eah $ay. In the

en$% the losin& of the foo$ fore$ !e to $o'ble !y $aily !ilea&e% whihallowe$ !e to brea- the reor$. 4o what yo' often see is a !assivevalley an$ so!eti!es it an be a tri'!ph witho't yo' seein& it at theti!e.

(nthony: When yo' were on the polar ie% I thin- yo'r plan was to eataro'n$ 6%000 alories a $ay. Witho't havin& ever been there% an yo'tell 's how $i$ yo' !a-e $eisions as to what to eat an$ $rin-8 Whatwas a &oo$ $ay)s foo$ plan8 (n$ were yo'...when yo')re p'ttin& that

foo$ plan to&ether% was it for stren&th% or en$'rane% or...8 ow $i$ yo'&o abo't !a-in& yo'r foo$ plan8

Geoff: ,he har$est thin& with a polar $iet is that yo' basially want toarry the !axi!'! a!o'nt of alories in the lowest a!o'nt of wei&ht.,he only way yo' an $o that is to have a fatbase$ $iet. 4o nine-iloalories per &ra! of fat as oppose$ to five -iloalories per &ra! ofarbohy$rate. 4o the reality is !ost of yo'r $iet is fatbase$. 3o' anstart the !ornin& with +0 &ra!s of b'tter in porri$&e with $ehy$rate$!il-. ?offee with a h'n- of +0 &ra!s of b'tter. It ta-es ti!e for yo'rbowel to &et 'se$ to ons'!in& that a!o'nt of fat. 3o' &o strai&ht on tothat level of fat% yo' &ive yo'rself the r'ns parti'larly% whih is tra&ibea'se yo')re losin& alories Aina'$ible 00:1:06B. 4o it)s &ot to be!ana&e$ really well% sli&htly ra!pe$ 'p% ta-es abo't two wee-s to &etyo'r polar $iet. 7ne yo' &et two wee-s in% yo' feel li-e yo' anons'!e everythin& yo' see. 3o')re *'st ontin'ally h'n&ry an$ $espiteeatin& three ti!es what a nor!al% a$'lt !ale wo'l$ eat in a ho!eenviron!ent% yo')re still losin& wei&ht. 4o on that *o'rney% I lost 22 -ilosin + $ays.

,here)s a tippin& point beyon$ whih yo' start losin& too !'h. 3o')renot able to p'll the sle$ an$ yo'r !ilea&e starts to $rop. 4o that)s *'stthe hallen&e with solo polar travel. 3o')re !ana&in& so !any faets.3o')re navi&atin&% yo')re -eepin& yo'r !oral 'p% yo')re loo-in& afteryo'r bo$y% yo')re ontrollin& yo'r alories% !a-in& s're yo'r n'trientsare in the foo$. 3o')re loo-in& at yo'r bo$y an$ s'$$enly yo' &et all in apani bea'se yo' $on)t reo&ni=e what yo' seein&. 3o')re startin& tosee ribs po-e o't where yo' never saw ribs before. (n$ *'st ontrollin&

yo'r e!otional state over a !assive expanse of ie% no olor% no for!%no shape% it)s a wil$ plae. 7f all the plaes I have a$vent're$% there)s






so!ethin& abo't (ntartia that $raws people ba-. (n$ I thin- that)swhy I)ve &ot the obsession to $o this *o'rney% yo' -now% the lon&est solopolar *o'rney in h'!an history. (n$ I believe that with the ri&ht level ofpersistene% we)ll &et the per!ission% an$ &et it $one.

(nthony: I thin- that for yo'% it !'st be li-e an a$$ition. When yo')re onthe ie an$ yo' lost the foo$% an$ then yo' ha$ to ba-tra- for 0-ilo!eters% an$ then reali=e$ yo' were b'rnin& alories% that wo'l$ havebro-en a lot of people. I &'ess% yo' tal-e$ a little bit abo't !a-in& ana$*'st!ent at that point. 4o what was the !ental effets of havin&han&e$ yo'r foo$ after yo' ha$ less of it8 What were the !entaleffets of han&in& yo'r $iet in the !i$$le of yo'r event8

Geoff: 3eah% that was a $an&ero's $eision. I !a$e the $eision to tryan$ operate on half ration for a perio$% so I $roppe$ to %000 -iloaloriesper $ay. ,hree $ays into that pro&ra!% I was brea-in& &ear. I a$$e$so!e !iles so I !isnavi&ate$. I was startin& to sl'r !y speeh on the$aily phone all to ho!e. 4arah at'ally pi-e$ it an$ sai$% >9isten%whatever yo')re $oin&% yo')re on a $an&ero's slope. I $on)t -now what)s&oin& on $own there b't yo' so'n$ awf'l.> It was only an external sortof pro!pt &oin&. I was too fati&'e$ an$ too !alno'rishe$ to reallyreo&ni=e the han&e. ,hat)s where this is a Aina'$ible 00:16:00B!o$ern traveler bein& able to spea- on the ell phone an$ havin&so!eone sayin&% >3o' $on)t so'n$ so &oo$.> It)s har$ to han&e ba- towhat yo')re $oin&.

(t that point% I went ba- to fo'r rations an$ inrease$ the a!o'nt ofho'rs a $ay I was travelin&. 4o I was travelin& between 16 an$ 20-ilo!eters in a 2 ho'r perio$. 4o 2 ho'rs of s'nli&ht% so yo')re able top'sh% an$ then sleep for fo'r ho'rs% an$ then p'sh% an$ then sleep forei&ht ho'rs% an$ then $o it all a&ain% thin-in& I)$ be able to $o that fortwo or three $ays. #'t I !ana&e$ to -eep that 'p for a f'll 10 $ays%

whih !eant I sort of overe$ 20 $ays) worth of $istane $'rin& that 10$ays. ,hat &ot !e ba- on tra-.

(nthony: (!a=in&. 4o we spo-e a little bit off the air% an$ it see!s to !eyo')re also the -in$ of &'y who li-es to try the 'nonventional% hase$ifferent or 'ni;'e approahes to proble!s. ?an yo' tell 's how yo'rtrainin&% reovery% or n'trition has han&e$ over ti!e an$ what newapproahes to physial or !ental trainin& yo' an see on the hori=onthat are $ifferent or 'ni;'e8

Geoff: 3eah% I thin- in the early $ays it was really a!ate'r% an$ over






Aina'$ible 00:1:0B *o'rney% an$ I)$ -in$ of r'n !y own pro&ra!% an$&et there% an$ reali=e that there were ina$e;'aies in !y prepreptrainin&. I sort of $evelope$ the onept of havin& an 'plin- for every *o'rney. 4o whatever *o'rney I)! $oin&% I)ll fin$ so!eone who)s $one

so!ethin& si!ilar or best in the worl$ at that parti'lar en$eavor% an$'plin- to the!% !a-e ontat with the!% an$ then &et the! to &eneratethe trainin& pro&ra!.

"or exa!ple% for the (ntarti *o'rney% it was #or&e 7'slan$% 5orway)sto'&hest polar explorer% who hel$ the reor$ for the fastest rossin& of (ntartia to that point. e basially &enerate$% very h'!ble &'y% an$ hehelpe$ !e &et fit eno'&h% &et stron& eno'&h% p't on the ri&ht a!o'nt of!'sle an$ fat% an$ &et in there. #'t the han&e there was that I ha$ a

physio. I ha$ a n'tritionist. We ha$ onsi$ere$ the Aina'$ible 00:1:0Bn'trition% followe$ a $iet. I ha$ a stren&th an$ s-ills instr'tor. 4o it was!'h !ore professional. I thin- to &et the $e&ree of s'ess we ha$% it)sin no s!all way attrib'te$ to this 'plin- proess where% in every area ofwea-ness% yo' fin$ so!eone who)s the best in the worl$. With Goo&lenow% it)s so easy. Whatever yo'r en$eavor is% yo' an fin$ the bestperson in the worl$% ontat the!% an$ say% >ey% !y na!e)s @oe #lo&s.I wanna be better than yo'.> Most people% 'nless they)re a little bit of anob A4PB% love the fat that they)re bein& reo&ni=e$ for their s-ills an$want to ontrib'te.

(nthony: (bsol'tely. ,here)s so !any interestin& professionals o't thereas well. It)s really &oo$. @'st tal-in& abo't yo'r heroes for a !o!ent.,hin-in& abo't yo'r heroes% past an$ present% who is it that inspiresyo'8 (n$ what behavioral personality traits $o they have that !a-ethe! so &oo$ in yo'r eyes8

Geoff: Probably% two in parti'lar for 's. Mawson% 4ir <o'&las Mawson% *'st bea'se he showe$ inre$ible en$'rane &ettin& ho!e when all his

!ates ha$ $ie$% an$ he)$ lost his foo$. e ha$ s'rvy an$ terriblefrostbite. e ha$ probably Aina'$ible 00:1C:2B fro! eatin& $o& liversha$ a$$le$ his brain. #'t he still !ana&e$ to &et ho!e% so it was aninre$ible *o'rney. "or anyone who $oesn)t -now that *o'rney% loo- 'pMawson. Wi-ipe$ia)s &ot a &oo$% short s'!!ary of that *o'rney. I thin-his resiliene in the fae of har$ship has &ot to be a$!ire$% espeiallythe fat that we own 1D of (ntartia is obvio'sly bea'se ofMawson)s har$ wor- $own there% !appin& that oastline. 4o we owehi! a lot.

,hen% probably% the seon$ &'y wo'l$ be 4ha-leton *'st bea'se of his






lea$ership ;'alities. e le$ the !ost s'essf'l file$ A4PB expe$ition%ever really. It was a terrible tra&e$y. ,hey never even &ot to the startin&line of their (ntarti rossin&. e was tryin& to $o what I bea!e thethir$ !an to $o in history% was to $o a ontinental rossin& of (ntartia.

,he Aina'$ible 00:20:2B in the ie. ,he En$'rane san- with everythin&on boar$% basially% they ha$. ,hey sro'n&e$ 'p eno'&h for all 1 !ento &et ba- an$ ho!e% over basially a six !onth perio$% to &et ho!e.e $i$ that witho't loss of life b't lar&ely bea'se his fa!ily !otto was%>,hro'&h en$'rane we on;'er.> (n$ he Aina'$ible 00:20:+6B believe$that basially% b't he was also an inre$ible reo&ni=er of how to!aintain !orale in a tea!% how to &ive !en honor in even the worst ofon$itions% an$ !a-e s're that the tro'ble!a-ers are -ept b'sy. ,hat)sreally what he $i$ to &et everybo$y ho!e.

(nthony: 3eah% fantasti% $o yo' have any favorite boo-s% pro&ra!s% orreso'res% that yo' thin- people !i&ht be inspire$ by8

Geoff: 3eah% I thin- those two stories are pheno!enal% 4ha-leton an$Mawson. (nother &reat story is the "ri$t*of 5ansen story. "ri$t*of5ansen was 5orway)s &reatest navi&ator. (nybo$y that)s into this sort of st'ff% his story is one that we $on)t hear bea'se he)s not an ('stralianor #ritish hero. #'t "ri$t*of 5ansen is *'st pheno!enal. e basiallyta'&ht (!'n$sen4ott all of those &'ys% 4ha-leton% Mawson% they allloo-e$ to hi! on how to navi&ate an$ stay alive in a polar environ!ent.,here)s so !any &reat a$vent're stories. I $on)t have ti!e to rea$fition. ,here)s *'st too !any inre$ible &'ys who have &one before%&'ys an$ &irls.

7ff the top of !y hea$% those are probably the two. 4ott)s stories arepheno!enal to rea$% an$ to &et an 'n$erstan$in& of how an$ why he$ie$. It)s pheno!enal. #'t the thin& is% in ('stralian 'lt're% there is a$eath of the love of a$vent're. 9ove of a$vent're o!es fro! o'r

pioneerin& spirit% fro! the fat that we...the way that we were birthe$ asa nation. I thin- it)s 'p to !e an$ people li-e !e to re!in$ ('ssies thata$vent're)s i!portant. It)s not a l'x'ry. We nee$ to -eep p'shin&bo'n$aries if we)re &oin& to stay healthy as a o'ntry.

(nthony: I thin- we &ot plenty of &reat o't$oor events. Me personally% Ilove all the o't$oor a$vent're rain& an$ that sort of st'ff. I thin- thatwith ('stralia *'st bein& so...havin& s'h wil$ o't$oors% it)s really &oo$for that.

Geoff: (h% yeah. It)s pheno!enal. Even on the b'sy Gol$ ?oast% 1+






!in'tes offshore an$ we)re swi!!in& with shar-s% an$ t'rtles% an$pela&i 4panish !a-erel. 7ah'% the oean)s alive% an$ it)s *'stfantasti. ,here)s parts of the worl$ where they)ve *'st $en'$e$ theirnat'ral reso're% an$ there)s nothin& li-e it. 3et% yo' &o the other way%

an$ yo')re in the !o'ntains% an$ half an ho'r% 0 !in'tes% yo')re in$eep *'n&le. It)s pheno!enal. We are very% very blesse$.

(nthony: 9astly Geoff% if people want to fin$ o't !ore abo't yo'ra$vent'res an$ approahes% where sho'l$ they &o to learn !ore abo'tyo'8

Geoff: +th Ele!ent Expe$itions so + , ele!entexpe$itions.o!.We)ve always &ot a review an$ if there)s an expe$ition live% there)ll be a

tra-in& beaon on there. (t the !o!ent% we)re hopin& for 7tober for (ntartia% b't per!issions are loo-in& $o'btf'l. It !i&ht be Greenlan$in (pril so stay t'ne$. ,here)s always so!ethin& on. (n$ honestly% ifthere)s anythin& yo' want to $o or $rea! of% ontat 's. We)ll help yo'!a-e it happen. ,here)s so !any pheno!enal a$vent'res o't there stillto be $one. We)$ love to ta-e yo' on one.

,he next one we)re r'nnin& is a polar s'pply Aina'$ible 00:2:1CB an$-ites-iin& lini. It)s a seven$ay o'rse in the ba-o'ntry of 5ewealan$. It is so!e of the wil$est% !ost bea'tif'l terrain in all ofa$vent'rin&. "or a pretty s!all fee% yo')re &onna learn. 3o' an o!ean$ *oin 's as we train for the Greenlan$ expe$ition slash (ntartia%whihever o!es first% an$ be part of the live expe$ition war!'p% an$learn so!e s-ills yo'rself. We)$ love to see yo' there.+thele!entexpe$itions.o!.

(nthony: ,hat so'n$s absol'tely st'nnin&. Geoff% than-s very !'h forbein& o'r &'est on the "it#its Po$ast to$ay. It)s been a real pleas'retal-in& to yo'.

Geoff: ,han-s% (nthony% an$ have a &reat $ay. It)s !a&i o't there. 9et)s&o on an a$vent're.

(nthony: ?an)t wait to &et o't there. ,han-s for that.

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