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Dr. Jason Lisle

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I would like to personally thank you for watching the Origins

television program. This show was special, near to the heart of my

parents, Russ and Norma Bixler.

I trust that the information in this presentation will be helpful in your

study of creation science. Thank you for your prayerful and financial

support of Origins… you’re making the television production of this

program possible!

Also available now a legacy website dedicated to my parents at

russandnormabixler.com.

Paul R. Bixler

Producer/Editor

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Beginning to now according to big bang & naturalism

1. The entire universe is contained in a point.

2. This point rapidly expands like a balloon.

3. Energy becomes matter –hydrogen and helium.

4. The matter condenses into stars and galaxies.

5. Stars make heavier elements which become dust.

6. Dust condenses to form planets.

7. On one such planet, chemicals happen to form life.

8. Life evolves into you.

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Biblical problems with the big bang and naturalism.

Big bang / Naturalism Bible

Cause of the universe

Quantum fluctuation, Nothing, Can’t know

God

Timescale Billions of years Thousands of years

Order Stars before Earth Earth before stars

Order Fish before trees Trees before fish

Order Dinosaurs before birds Birds before dinosaurs

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Biblical problems with the big bang and naturalism.

Big bang / Naturalism Bible

Cause of the universe

Quantum fluctuation, Nothing, Can’t know

God

Timescale Billions of years Thousands of years

Order Stars before Earth Earth before stars

Order Fish before trees Trees before fish

Order Dinosaurs before birds Birds before dinosaurs

The future Heat death Judgment/restoration

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Big bang / Naturalism Bible

Cause of the universe

Quantum fluctuation, Nothing, Can’t know

God

Timescale Billions of years Thousands of years

Order Stars before Earth Earth before stars

Order Fish before trees Trees before fish

Order Dinosaurs before birds Birds before dinosaurs

The future Heat death Judgment/restoration

ETs Life likely evolved elsewhere too

Earth created specially for life

Original earth Molten rock Created as a paradise

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Beginning to now according to big bang & naturalism

1. The entire universe is contained in a point.

2. This point rapidly expands like a balloon.

3. Energy becomes matter –hydrogen and helium.

4. The matter condenses into stars and galaxies.

5. Stars make heavier elements which become dust.

6. Dust condenses to form planets.

7. On one such planet, chemicals happen to form life.

8. Life evolves into you.

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6 Day

Creation

Virgin Birth

Water into Wine

Walking on Water

Calming a Storm

Raising the Dead

Jesus Resurrection

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6 Day

Creation

Virgin Birth

Water into Wine

Walking on Water

Calming a Storm

Raising the Dead

Jesus ResurrectionWell…

It’s the same Hermeneutic!(method of interpretation of scripture)

Man’s Ideas

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Do we trust in God’s account of origins, or man’s story?

God’s Word Man’s guess

God was actually there Man wasn’t there

Never makes mistakes Man makes mistakes

Knows everything Limited knowledge

Always correctly interprets evidence Can often misinterpret the evidence

Never lies Sometimes dishonest

Actually responsible for creation Had nothing to do with creation

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model: a schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics.

A goodmodel:

A. Is relatively simple. (The fewer assumptions the better the model.)

B. Makes many, correct specific predictions.

Examples: Heliocentric model of the solar system.

Newton’s laws of gravity and motion.

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model: a schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics.

A goodmodel:

A. Is relatively simple. (The fewer assumptions the better the model.)

B. Makes many, correct specific predictions.

Examples: Heliocentric model of the solar system.

Newton’s laws of gravity and motion.

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The big bang as a scientific model.

A. Is it relatively simple?

No. The recent versions of the big bang are highly complex with many arbitrary assumptions required to make the model compatible with observations.

B. Does it make correct specific predictions?

No. The CMB does exist, but variations are much weaker than predicted. The CMB is much more uniform than predicted.

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Scientific Problems with the Big Bang:

The Flatness Problem – the expansion rate of the universe is extremely finely balanced with gravity.

The Horizon Problem – a light travel-time problem. The CMB has very uniform temperature, yet light cannot travel such a distance in the time allowed.

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The Horizon Problem:

The Big Bang requires that the different regions of the universe started with very different temperatures.

Today they all have almost exactly the same temperature.

Yet there has not been enough time for these

regions to exchange light in order to come to the same temperature.

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Scientific Problems with the Big Bang:

The Flatness Problem – the expansion rate of the universe is extremely finely balanced with gravity.

The Horizon Problem – a light travel-time problem. The CMB has very uniform temperature, yet light cannot travel such a distance in the time allowed.

The Monopole Problem – magnetic monopoles (particles with a single polarity) should be produced at big bang temperatures, yet none have been found. This suggests the universe was never so hot.

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Inflation:an attempt to solve the Flatness, Horizon, and monopole problems.

Inflation is an additional set of assumptions in which the universe begins to expand at a much accelerated rate and then goes back to the normal expansion rate. This potentiallycould reduce or eliminate the Flatness, Horizon, and monopole problems.

But it amounts to only a story without supporting evidence. Furthermore, it has its own problems such as what would cause it, and how to turn it off in a graceful fashion.

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More scientific problems with the big bang.

The singularity problem. (A) the existence of a singularity. (B) breakdown of known physics. C) the cause of the universe.

The Baryon number problem. Where’s the antimatter?

Distant mature galaxies. The existence of fully formed galaxies is a surprise from a big bang perspective.

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NASA/ESA/STScl

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More scientific problems with the big bang.

The singularity problem. (A) the existence of a singularity. (B) breakdown of known physics. (C) the cause of the universe.

The Baryon number problem. Where’s the antimatter?

Distant mature galaxies. The existence of fully formed galaxies is a surprise from a big bang perspective.

Population III stars. The big bang cannot produce elements heavier than lithium. So the first stars (Pop III) should not have any heavy elements. But all known stars do.

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Spiral Galaxy Wind-upSpiral Galaxies rotate differentially; the inner parts rotate faster than the outer parts. The spiral arms would be twisted beyond recognition in far less than their accepted (evolutionary) age.

Could Spiral density waves solve this problem? Or is the solution simply that the galaxies are not very old?

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Conclusions:

1. The big bang is a naturalistic story of origins; it is not compatible with the Bible.

2. The big bang is not a good scientific model. It is complex and does not make specific predictions.

3. The big bang has a large number of scientific problems. These include, flatness, horizon, monopoles, singularity, baryon number, distant galaxies, Pop III stars, and many others.

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Dr. Jason Lisle