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dUjf pfsf (ajmyr rozy df nftk dUjf pfsf 1970ivaF ivwc kYnyzf dI pMjfbI kimAUintI nUM drpysL muwK smwisaf nslvfd nfl sMbDq hY. ieh nftk kYnyzf dy iek pMjfbI lyKk vloN kYnyzf dy pMjfbIaF dy jIvn bfry iliKaf igaf pihlf nftk sI aqy ies nUM vqnoN dUr afrt PfAUNzysLn ny 10 dsMbr 1977 nUM pihlI vfr sYksimwQ aYlImYNtrI skUl vYnkUvr ivwc pMjfbI iltryrI aYsosIeysLn vloN krvfey pRogrfm ivwc Kyizaf. sfzy iKafl ivwc kYnyzf ivwc pMjfbI kimAUintI nUM pysL nslvfd dI smwisaf nfl sMbMDq sfihq ivwc ies nftk df iek mhwqvpUrn sQfn hY. cflI sflF bfad asIN ies nUM pMjfbI pfTkF dy sfhmxy ies afs nfl pysL kr rhy hF qF ik kYnyzf ivwc pMjfbI kimAUintI dy ivkfs dy ies pVfa bfry AunHF lokF nUM vI pqf lwg sky jo ies qoN jfxU nhIN hn. –sMpfdk.)

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(pRvysL anusfr) jsvMq kOr: Aumr 43 sfl hrnfm isMG: jsvMq kOr df pqI, 47 sfl ikrpfl isMG: hrnfm isMG df dosq, 50 sfl gurdIp: hrnfm isMG df lVkf, 22 sfl blvMq: hrnfm isMG dy cfcy df muMzf, 35 sfl jgdyv: iek vfkP, 35 sfl

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vYnkUvr, sLFq mhFsfgr dy kMZy kYnyzf df muwK ngr

smF: vrqmfn (jsvMq kOr afpxy Gr dy ilivMg rUm ivwc bYTI sbjLI cIr rhI hY. grmIaF dy Cy swq vjy df smF hY. iek pfsy myjL AuWqy pey tRFijLstr qy koeI pMjfbI df pRogrfm af irhf hY. ilivMg rUm ivwc iek sfdf ijhf soPf sYWt hY, ijs AuWqy Puwldfr kwpVy ivCfey hoey hn. swjy pfsy iek kursI peI hY. iek kony `qy tI vI ipaf hY, ijs AuWqy keI BFq BFq dIaF qsvIrF vfly kfrz pey hn. sfhmxI kMD AuWqy vI do qsvIrF idsdIaF hn. bfhroN drvfjLf KuwlHx dI avfjL afAuNdI hY. jsvMq kOr AuWT ky KVI ho jFdI hY qy drvfjLy vl Auqsukqf nfl dyKdI hY. hrnfm isMG ZwTI ijhI pwg bMnI, AuWqry hoey ichry nfl pRvysL krdf hY aqy afAuNidaF hI soPY AuWqy kUhxI Bfr tyZf ho ky bYT jFdf hY.) jsvMq kOr: ikAuN kI gwl ho gI[[[ aYN af ky pY gy soPy `qy? (hrnfm isMG cuwp rihMdf hY.) (kuJ iPkrmMd ho ky) icwq iZwlf aYN jF hor koeI gwl aY? kuJ dwso qF shI.


hrnfm isMG: Auie[[[ goiraF df kqIV vfDf [[[ (guwsy `c pUrI gwl nhIN inkldI). jsvMq kOr: hY hY lohVf, ikwQy Gyr ilaf, kI kihMdy aONqiraF dy, ienHF dI imwtI sV jy[[[ ikqy swt

Pyt qF nI mfrgy koeI? hrnfm isMG: swt Pyt aflI ksr qF nI Cwzdy. koeI DOlf mfr igaf, koeI awgoN bUtF dy Tuwzy mfrn

lwg ipaf[[[ vws cldf qF sMGI Guwt ky mfr idMdf ienHF dI mF[[[ jsvMq kOr: hY Qozf kwK nf rhy kuwiqE! hYN, ikwzI awq cuwkI aY ienHF jfie KfixaF ny, swt jfdy qF nI

mfrgy ikqy. hrnfm isMG (jLrf iKwJ ky) jfdy QoVHI df pqf lgdY hux koeI[[[ jsvMq kOr: qusIN jLrf rfm nfl pY jo aYQy, mYN cfh Dr idaF. iek qF AUN pRdys `c bYTy aF, iek

ieh nI sfh lYx idMdy kuwqy jhfn dy. nf, gwl iCV ikwQoN peI? hrnfm isMG: Eie gwl kI iCVnI sI afh pwg df puafVf pYNdf aY sfrf. aYQoN do blfk prHy aYvyN hf hf

hI hI krn lg py[[[ mYQoN vI irhf nf igaf qy guwsy `c af ky XU bfstr sLt awp kih idwqf[[[

jsvMq kOr: lY kI lYxf sI AuhnF nUM CyV ky. hrnfm isMG: aKy kI lYxf sI AuhnF nUM CyV ky, Eie Auh qF lVn df bhfnf hI Bfldy sI – iewlF

aFgUM tuwt ky af py[[[ pwg iKwc ky Qwly iswt qI. mYN vI iek do dy lfeIaF pr iqMnF awgy kwly df kI bxdY, AuWqoN bgfnf mulK.

jsvMq kOr: hor nI iksy htfieaf AuhnF hrfmIaF nUM? hrnfm isMG: htOx vflf AuWQy kOx sI – ieho jIaF gdUdF nUM pwkI nf aVf dy, Pyr aONdI hY surq

itkfxy eys jfq dI, eyhnF dI mF[[[ ipMz iksy qoN Auie nI aKvfeI sI kdy, eyQy kmIxF qoN BYVf hfl aY. aKy knyzf, knyzf, knyzf – lY vyK lO knyzf, kI ipaY eyQy aYvyN [[[ (gflH kwZdf hY)

(guwsy `c af ky hrnfm isMG qurn iPrn lwg pYNdf hY – bfhroN GMtI huMdI hY. jsvMq kOr drvfjLf KolHdI

hY. ikrpfl isMG aMdr afAuNdf hY. dfhVI pwg rwKI hoeI hY) ikrpfl isMG: (muskrf ky) sfsrI kfl jsvMq kury. jsvMq kOr: sfsrI kfl[[[ af jo nMG afAu aMdr. ikrpfl isMG: mYN awj svyry svyry gurdvfry clf igaf, hux AuWQoN eI quiraf afAunYN, soicaf jFdf

jFdf Qozy vwl eI cwkr mfr jF. Gry eI aY hrnfm isMhu? bwcy qF bfhr gey hoxy aY? jsvMq kOr: Gry eI aY afp qF, dIp vI aOx vflf aY iksy mIitMg `c igaf hoieaY.


ikrpfl isMG: (hrnfm isMG nfl hwQ imlfAuNdf hoieaf) suxf kI hfl aY hrnfm ishF, mYN ikhf Qozf qF tYm nI lwgdf mYN eI cwkr mfr jF. kI gwl ishq TIk nI? iZwlf ijhf lwgdY?

jsvMq kOr: (hrnfm isMG dy bolx qoN pihlF eI) ishq kfhdI aY BfeI eyQy hwj aY koeI rihx df.

goiraF dI mMZIr ny bdly lY lY sfzy qF, afh qyry awgy awgy huxy afey aY. ikrpfl isMG: lY! kI gwl ho gI? jsvMq kOr: gwl kI hoxI sI, Pyr Gyr ilaf awj. ikrpfl isMG: hwCf! Pyr qF bVI BYVI gwl hoeI. iehnF sfilaF dy dmfg cVHy hoey aY awj kwlH. prsoN

sfzy blfk `c vI afpixaF dy sLIsLy BMngy. swt Pyt qF nI mfrgy? puils nUM Pon mfrnf sI?

hrnfm isMG: pulIs afAux qwk Tihrdy aY? ieho ijaF nUM qF EQy eI icwp dyvy zFgF nfl Pyr aONdI aY

surq itkfxy. ikrpfl isMG: gwl qF AUN qyrI eyho TIk aY. hrnfm isMG: mYN qF, swcI gwl aY, pwg qoN awikaf ipaYN. (jsvMq kOr vwl iesLfrf krky) eyhI nI mMndI. mYN

qF hux nUM kdoN df cukf idMdf. jsvMq kOr: lY aYvyN ckf idMdf. sfrI Aumr dI rwKI rKfeI huxy af ky lfhuxI aY? (ikrpfl isMG vl

mUMh krky) ienHF df ikhVf jIa krdf aMdroN, ijdy kdy ieho jI koeI gwl ho jFdI aY, ieh pwg lOx nUM kfhly pY jFdy aY.

ikrpfl isMG: nf[[[ nf[[[ beI. (Aus dI gwl ivwcoN tuwkI jFdI aY.) hrnfm isMG: Auie Pyr iewjLq aY bMdy dI koeI? AuWQy pwg bMn ky dfhVI muwCF copV ky bMdf bfhr

inkldY, nsLf af jFdY kyrF. eyQy pwg bMno[[[ bfhr nIvIN pf ky quro, ijvyN corI kIqI huMdI af iksy sfly dI.

ikrpfl isMG: gwl qF qyrI solHF afny TIk aY. pwg dI eyQy kdr koeI nI. pr afpF qF ieh jfxdy aF,

iensfn nUM qklIPF ivwc afvdy Drm qoN nI zolxf cfhIdf. jsvMq kOr: aYQy qF lokI pwg nUM vyK ky AUN eI sV jFdy aY. ikrpfl isMG: pwg goiraF nUM nhIN cMgI lwgdI, nf shI, sfzI qF sLfn aY – pMjfb `c sfrI Aumr bMndy

rhy aF[[[ aYQy vI bMnFgy. hrnfm isMG: (iKwJ ky) TIk aY[[[ Pyr bMdf izwgy ikhVy Kuh `c.


ikrpfl isMG: Auie, kys ktf ky aYvyN kml nf mfrIN. aYho jy tYm qF bMdy qy afAuNdy eI rihMdy aY. ipwCoN pCqfeyNgf. dunIaf awz hwsU.

hrnfm isMG: hux ikhVI dunIaf hsdI nI. koeI sflf rfh jFdf hokrf ijhf mfrjU – koeI AUN eI vyK

ky aOKf ijhf ho jU ijvyN mMgqy huMny af – iksmq sflI ny vI ikwQy ilaf ky iswty aY bFdr jfq `c.

ikrpfl isMG: koeI nI bfhlf nI zolI df huMdf, bMdy AuWpr vfihgurU df afsrf hovy qF koeI iksy df

kwK nI vgfV skdf. jsvMq kOr: (ltkvIN sur `c) TIk aY[[[ ikrpfl isMG: bMdf afvdf Drm nf Cwzy BfvyN jfn jFdI rvHy. ieho ijhy Cokr vfDy ny afpxf kI vgfV

lYxf. (bfhroN Pyr GMtI huMdI hY. jsvMq kOr bUhf KolHdI hY qy afp ikcn ivwc clI jFdI hY. hrnfm isMG df

vwzf muMzf gurdIp dfKl huMdf hY – klIn sLyvz hY.) gurdIp: hYlo! suxfE mfstr jI kI hfl cfl aY. bVy idnF ipwCoN cwkr mfiraf awj qF. ikrpfl isMG: TIk aY gurdIp ishF. qUM suxf kI hfl cfl hY? afh vyK lf qyry zYzI nUM Pyr Gyr ilaf

awj goiraF ny, aYzI BYVI kOm aY. gurdIp: (ichry df hfv Bfv iekdm bdl jFdf hY) ikwQy? kdoN ku dI gwl hY? ikrpfl isMG: mYN vI huxy afieaF qyry awgy awgy bws afhI koeI vIh ku imMtF dI gwl aY. gurdIp: (hrnfm isMG nUM) zYzI, swt Pyt qF nhIN mfrgy koeI, gey ikwDr nUM aY bfstrz? hrnfm isMG: (Ausy qrHF iKwJ ivwc) mYnUM hux kI pqf aY, ikwDr nUM gey aY. kuwqy dy puwq, ieho ijaF df

koeI QF tkfxf huMdf aY? (jsvMq kOr dfKl huMdI hY) jsvMq kOr: ieh qF qwqy Gf dI gwl huMdI aY jy dfa lwg jy qF. gurdIp: qF vI gey ikDr nUM aY? afeI’l ikwl dYWm[[[ dIjL zrtI pMks. (kfhlI kfhlI styj `qy qurdf hY, ijvyN bfhr jfx lwgf hovy.) jsvMq kOr: (gurdIp nUM bFh qoN PV ky rokdI hY) qUM nf aYvyN mgr Bwj jI hux, EhnF kuwiqaF dy. kI pqY

kqIVH df aYvyN jxf Kxf cfkU CurIaF pfeI iPrdY jybF ivwc. (gurdIp kol pey Pon nUM kfhlI kfhlI GumfAuNdf hY. awgoN ibjLI dI ton afAuNdI hY. Pon Tfh krky rwK

idMdf hY.)


gurdIp: (dUjf nMbr GumfAuNdf hY.) pqf nI ikDr mrgy awj sfry eI. jsvMq kOr: qUM hux ikDr nUM Pon mfrI jfnf aYvyN, jo hoxf sI ho igaf, hux klpy qoN kI bxdY. gurdIp: (Pon rKdf hoieaf) zYzI nUM aYnI vfr ikhf beI vyly kuvyly bfhr jfx lwgf iKafl nfl

jfieaf kr, bws gwl eI nI gOldy, bih jo hux Gry gflHF Kf ky. hrnfm isMG: E qyry iKafl `c hux mYN dnflI pf ky inkilaf krF bfhr? lwgY hux qVPn. gurdIp: mYN qF kihnf awj AunHF ny bfhr ienslt kIqI aY, kwlH nUM Gr mUhry KVH ky vI gflHF

kwZ skdy aY. [[[ afeI kFt tflryt dIjL blwzI bwmjL. jsvMq kOr: Pyr qusIN hux afpy ivwc dI kfhqoN grm hoeI jfny aYN, jo hoxf sI ho igaf. ikrpfl isMG: TIk aY, hux awgoN qoN afvdf sMBl ky rho AudoN eI pulIs nUM Pon mfr idAu. gurdIp: pulIs nUM Pon mfrn df kI Pfiedf jdoN AunHF ny tfeIm `qy afAuxf eI nhIN. ikrpfl isMG: clo Pyr hux Gfbry qoN kI bxdY, awgoN dI gwl kro. hrnfm isMhu qF hor eI socI jFdY.

qyry afAux qoN pihlF kihMdf hitaY pwg lfh dyxI aY, kys ktf dyxy aY, mYN kihnf bMdy nUM aYzI CyqI idl nI Cwzxf cfhIdf. aYvyN musLtMizaF ipwCy afvdI iswKI guafAu, Drm Cwzo.

hrnfm isMG: qUM qF ikrpfl ishF pwg dy ipwCy ipaYN, hor dunIaf dy qOr qrIky kusL nI vyNhdf. ikrpfl isMG: pwg nf hovy isr `qy iPrk ikhVf sfnUM afvdy juafeI bxf lYxgy. jdoN vfihgurU ny

iehnF nUM mwq eI ieho ijhI idwqI aY Pyr bMdf kr kI skdY? gurdIp: suafl Drm df nI. suafl qF ies gwl df aY beI jy bMdy nUM pwg cMgI lwgdI aY qF Auh

ikAuN nf bMny? ikrpfl isMG: suafl Drm df ikAuN nI? dIn eImfn bMdy df kuwsL nI huMdf? gurdIp: dIn eImfn mfstr jI pwg qoN ibnF ikhVf rih nI skdf? (bfhroN GMtI huMdI hY. jsvMq kOr bUhf KolHdI hY. afAux vflf ilivMg rUm ivwc afAux qoN pihlF eIN bUhy

ivwc jsvMq kOr nfl do cfr gwlF krdf hY. ikrpfl isMG qy gurdIp df iDafn AuDr ho jFdf hY.) ikrpfl isMG: (hrnfm isMG vwl vyKky) afh qF qyrf kjLn lwgdY, blvMq. gurdIp: hF aMkl eI aY. (blvMq aMdr afAuNdf hY – klIn sLyvz hY. gurdIp qy ikrpfl isMG nfl hwQ imlfAuNdf hY. hrnfm isMG

Ausy qrHF cuwp cfp bYTf rihMdf hY. jsvMq kOr vI mgroN af ky bYT jFdI hY.) blvMq: (hrnfm isMG vwl mUMh krky) swt Pyr bhuqI qF nI mfrgy? gwl ikvyN iCV pI?


hrnfm isMG: (iKwJ ky) Eie gwl kfhdI iCVnI sI – iek cMm kflf aY, dUjI pwg bMnI aY, hor asIN

ikhVF eyhnF dI[[[ hor myry mUMhoN gflH inkldI aY. ienHF nUM koeI bhfnf eI cfhIdY kMjrF nUM – ikhVI pihlI vfr hoeI aY.

gurdIp: ijvyN ijvyN dys dI hflq Krfb hoeI jFdI aY, lokF df idmfg Krfb hoeI jFdY.

anieMplfeymYNt df ksUr sfzy isr kwZdy aY. jsvMq kOr: aKy izwgI Koqy qoN guwsf Guimafr qy. blvMq: bhuq BYVI gwl hoeI afh qF – ikrpfl isMG: hfl vyK qUM idno idn hoeI kI jFdY eyQy. blvMq: ieh CokrvfDy df idmfg itkfxy ilafAux vflf aY. jsvMq kOr: sfzf qF BfeI idl siVaf ipaY eyQy, jy aYN pqf huMdf asIN kI eyQy Dwky Kfx aOxY sI

goiraF dy mulk. blvMq: Eie ieAuN gory sfry ieko jy qF nI huMdy- jsvMq kOr: asIN qF BfeI bhuq duKI kIqy aY eys bFdrF dI alfd ny. blvMq: aYN qF bfkI vI eyQy qury eI iPrdy aY, sfry qF nI aYny aOKy. gwl qF ieh aY beI ijwQy

bMdf rvHy AuWQoN vrgf eI ho ky rhy. ikrpfl isMG: kI mqlb? blvMq: qusIN hux mMndy nI asIN vI eyDr af ky pwgF lfh eI idwqIaF. ikrpfl isMG: nf mYN qF nI ieh gwl mMndf bMdy df Drm pihlF bfkI sB kusL ipwCoN. awgy gurdIp nfl

vI ieho gwl huMdI htI aY – jy bMdy ny Drm eI Cwz qf, qF Pyr bfkI rih kI igaf? blvMq: TIk hY, mfstr jI Drm afpxI QF `qy TIk aY, smyN df rMg afpxI QF `qy TIk aY.

nfly pwg qoN ibnF ikhVf sfry mlysL hI iPrdy aY. ikrpfl isMG: (AuWTdf hoieaf) clo afpxf afpxf iKafl aY – afpF qF pwg lfhux dy hwk `c nI awgy

hrnfm ishuM dI mrjLI. gurdIp: qusIN AuWT KVy, cfh qF pI ky jfieE. jsvMq kOr: cfh qF bws smJo bxI peI aY, qusIN bYTo do imMt. ikrpfl isMG: nf nf[[[ cfh qF mYN huxy eI pI ky afieaf sI, afpF nUM eyQy kyhVf koeI sMg aY, Gr

vflI gwl aY.


hrnfm isMG: bih jf hux do imMt hor. ikrpfl isMG: nhIN mK jy loV huMdI qF afpF nUM ikhVf sMg sI koeI. (ikrpfl isMG jFdf hY.) hrnfm isMG: mYnUM qF smJ nI afAuNdI kI krF, kdy kdy qF PIl aYnf bYz huMdY beI jI krdf sB kusL

ckf idaF. Pyr socIdY sfrI Aumr dI rwKI rwKfeI hux kfhdy ipwCy[[[ KvrF kwlH nUM dys eI muVjIey.

blvMq: ieMizaf qF hux kfhdf muVnf aY, gwl kro qusIN aYQy sYtl hox dI. hrnfm isMG: afpxy dys aFgUM qF aYQy kIhny itkx dyxf aY sfnUM- blvMq: qy AuWQy ikhVf sfnUM gvrnr lf dyxgy jFidaF nUM – jsvMq kOr: clo dys qF afvdf hoAUgf nf. blvMq: TIk aY, afh dys bgfnf eI shI pr rotI dI icMqf qF nI rihMdI aYQy- gurdIp: pr inrI rotI afsry qF nhIN nf bMdf rih skdf, lfeIP ivwc hor vI bhuq kuJ cfhIdY.

vUeI mst bIlFg hyar. blvMq: E TIk aY, iPr jYsf dys qYsf Bys, iswDI gwl aY. gurdIp: iswDI gwl ikvyN? blvMq: jy gory pwg nUM lYkI nhIN, qusIN jLrUr eyQy tsrIaF bMn ky iPrnY? gurdIp: gwl tsrIaF bMnx dI nI, gwl qF ieh aY ijwQy bMdf rhy, iewjLq nfl rhy. pihlF

mfstr jI nUM vI mYN ieho ikhf sI, jy pwg zYzI nUM cMgI lgdI aY qF Auh ikAuN nf bMny? blvMq: mOky mOky sB kusL vyKxf pYNdY- gurdIp: XU mIn, jy aYQy kuJ Cokry krYk aY qF AuhnF qoN zr ky pwg lfh idA? blvMq: qy, qUMMN ikAuN lfhI iPrdYN? gurdIp: mYN qF ieMzIaf vI lfhI hoeI sI, aYQy pwg rwKx jF nf rwKx df myry leI koeI Prk nI. blvMq: Pyr rOlf ikhVI gwl df aY? gurdIp: rOlf kfhdY, pwg zYzI dI sLKsIaq df ihwsf bx cuwkI aY. Auh nhIN lfhuxf cfhuMdy qy mYN

AunHF nfl pUrf sihmq hF.


blvMq: qyry hsfb nfl pwg rwKx qy nf rwKx df eyQy koeI Prk nI pYNdf? gurdIp: mYN kdoN kihnf nhIN pYNdf. nOkrIaF ivwc vI pYNdy qy AUN vI jo kuJ awj zYzI nfl hoieaf

afpxy sfhmxy eI aY. Pyr vI- blvMq: (gurdIp dI gwl ivcfly tokdf hoieaf) pwg rwKx df AUN Pydf kI aY? gurdIp: pwg df qF sLfied koeI Pfiedf hoAU afh Qozy gwl’c lwgI tfeI df kI Pfiedf? blvMq: tfeI df? gurdIp: jy ieh PjUl ijhI lIr quhfzI zrYs df ihwsf bx skdI aY qF pwg nI bx skdI? blvMq: tfeI dI gwl hor aY. gurdIp: gwl qF aYnI eI aY tfeI aMgryj ny lfAuxI sLurU kIqI sI qy pwg aMgryj ny nhIN kIqI. blvMq: (iKJ ky) Auie aYN qF pqf eI aY qusIN sfnUM vfry nhIN afAux dyxf. mIitMgF ’c inwq afhI

gwlF krdy aY. kdy jlsf kr ilaf, kdy jlUs kwZ ilaf-aKy jI eyQy nslvfd aY eyQoN dI gOrimMt mfVI aY Xy aY voh aY[[[[[

gurdIp: jy eyQoN dy lok inwq aKbfrF ivc gorimMt nUM inMd skdy aY qF asIN nI inMd skdy?

sfnUM vI Aunf eI hwk aY. blvMq: eynHf ’c qy sfz ’c bhuq Prk aY, aYvyN qFh smfn ’c AuWizaf iPrdf aYN. hrnfm isMG: (jy hux qwk sfrIaF gwlF nUM bhuq iDafn nfl suxdf irhf hY) Prk qF bMq aYnf eI aY – eyhnF

df cMm icwtf aY afpxf kflf; afpxf dys grIb aY eyhnf kol cfr pYsy jfdy aY, bfkI qF aYvyN BkfeI aY sfrI – bulisLt (bkvfs)

blvMq: E iPr aYQy afey aY qF bMdy nMU aFvdf kMm krnf cfhIdY. cfr pYsy bnOxY cfhIdy aY,

afpF nMU kI ijho jI mrjLI gOrimMt bxy – no izPn (izPrYNs) AuhdI hF ’c hF imlfAu. gurdIp: afh qF aMkl bVy gryt asUl bxfey aY qusIN. blvMq: Pyr gOrimMt dy ivrwuD kwc kwc kry qoN afpF nUM kI iml jU? bfhly aOKy hovogy qF zpot

kr dyxgy, Pyr soKy rhogy? gurdIp: jy eyQy kuwiqaF vFg pUCF ihlf ky eI rihxf aY qF eydUM ieMzIaf cMgy aF. asIN eyQy mMgqy

bx ky qF nI afey. blvMq: mYN kdoN kihnY mMgqy bx ky afey aF.


gurdIp: jy asIN bfkIaF vFg lhU psInf iek krdy hF qF bfkIaF vFg iewjq nfl rihxf vI cfhuMdy hF-

blvMq: mYN kdoN kihnf nf rho. gurdIp: jy sfnUM aYQy iksy pfrtI, iksy gOrimMt dIaF pflsIaF cMgIaF nhIN lgdIaF qF AunHF

ivruwD bolxf vI cfhuMdy hF. blvMq: ivruwD boly qoN kI iQaf jU? gurdIp: ieh ies dysL dy Pfiedy dI gwl aY, sfry lokF dy Pfiedy dI gwl aY. asIN ieQy imwtI

bxky nI rihxf cfhuMdy, ijAUxf cfhuMdy hF. blvMq: (ivaMg nfl) hUM, ieh cMgI dysL BgqI kwZI aY qusIN – jsvMq kOr: (cfh ilafAuNdI hoeI) qusIN hux kfhqoN JgVI jfny aYN jo hoeI so hoeI, lY cfh pIE, ikMnf

klysL KVHf ho igaf, aYvyN pwg ipwCy. hrnfm isMG: pwg dI gwl qF ikDry rihgI, ieh qF hor eI pflitks ivc isMg PsfeI bYTy aY. mYnUM

qF koeI rfh PVfieaf nI iehnF ny. blvMq: rfh kfhdf PVOxY QonUM, afvdI mYN dws qI aY pihlF vI keI vfr ikhY awgy QozI mrjI. jsvMq kOr: nf BfeI, pwg qF nI asIN lfhux dyxI. blvMq: E ky, Pyr TIk aY bfhr inklo qF nINvIN pf ky quro – (hrnfm isMG dy ichry qy qnfAU af jFdf hY qy AuWT ky qurn iPrn lwg jFdf hY.) gurdIp: nIvIN pf ky ikEN quro iksy dI corI kIqI aY? blvMq: qyry bMnHI hovy qF pqf lwgy. gurdIp: af hI qF gwl mfVI aY, jo pwg bMnH ky quhfnUM afp nUM eI sMg afAuNdI aY qF dUjy iehdI

iewjLq ikAuN krngy – blvMq: jy sMg nhIN afAuNdI Pyr kI Prk pY jU gurdIp: jy pwg bMnH ky quhfzf ichrf svYmfn qy ivsLvfs nfl BwKdf hY, qF afeI aYm sLoar,

dUjy vI pwg bfry afpxf aYtIicAUz bdl lYxgy. hrnfm isMG: (qnfAu ivc qy QoVf ijhf iKJ ky) ieAuN nI kMm clxf. (hrnfm isMG ny iek dm ijvyN koeI PYslf kr ilaf hovy, kfhlI kfhlI vfsL rUm vwl nUM jFdf hY.

blvMq qy gurdIp kuJ icr leI cuwp ho jFdy hn.)


jsvMq kOr: lY cfh ivcy eI Cwzgy[[[ kfhdI gwl aY (kuJ dyr cuwp rihMdI hY iPr afp vI clI jFdI hY) blvMq: ieh ijhVIaF gurdIp qUM mfx nfl qurn vflIaF gwlF krdYN nf[[[ ieh bws gwlF eI aYN

– afpxy lokF qoN gory bfs awgy gwl msF inkldI af. gurdIp: pr ikAuN? asIN kMm Gwt krdy hF[[[ jF Auh sfzy qy iehsfn krdy aY. jy asIN afp eI

ieAuN krFgy qF dUjy vI sfnUM GtIaf smJxgy. (bfhr GMtI vwjdI aY gurdIp drvfjf KolHdf hY. jgdyv pRvysL krdf hY, klIn sLyvz hY) jgdyv: (hwQ imlfAuNdf hoieaf) suxf veI gurdIp ishF kI hfl cfl aY? (blvMq vwl qwk ky) bwly beI awj qF bVy vwzy afdmI afey bYTy aY. blvMq: (KusLk ijhy lihjy ivwc) hor suxf kI hfl cfl aY? jgdyv: Pwsklfs aY afpxy qF, afvdy suxf. hrnfm ishuM ikWQy aY? gurdIp: Gry eI aY; bYTo – jgdyv: (KVf hI rihMdf hY) nhIN bYTx df qF tYm nhIN. mYN qF aYnf eI kihx afieaf sI veI prsoN

nMU afpxy aKMz-pfT df Bog pYxf aY gurdvfry. hrnfm ishuM nUM kih idE beI jLrUr hfjLr hovy.

(jsvMq kOr GbrfeI hoeI afAuNdI hY) jsvMq kOr: (ibnF jgdyv vwl iDafn idwqy) gurdIp, afvdy zYzI nUM’ vfj dy KF, mYnUM lgdY Auh awk ky

pwg eI nf lfh dyvy. jgdyv: (hYrfnI ivwc) hYN? blvMq: (ivaMg nfl hsdf hoieaf) aYnI vrHI nf kro, Auh aYzI CyqI pwg nI lfhuMdf. jgdyv: mK gwl kI krI jfny aYN? (jgdyv dI gwl vwl koeI iDafn nI idMdf) gurdIp: (AuWTdf hoieaf) iKafl qF myrf vI ieho aY zYzI aYzI CyqI vfl nI kwtx lwgy. jsvMq kOr: (vfps jFdI hoeI) vy kI pqY BfeI QoVI hoeI aY awj? bMdy nUM byiejLqI shfrnI ikhVI

sOKI aY –


blvMq: (jsvMq kOr dy jfx ipCoN) lY hY mwq mfrI. aYN Auh kys kwtx lwgy Blf. AUN, jy kwt dyvy qF guwz eI aY-

jgdyv: iek vfrI sfzy AuWQy iek muMzy ny ieMzIaf qoN aoNdy ny eI vfl ktvf `qy, ipCoN keI idn

roxo n hwty asIN bQyrf smJfeIey. gurdIp: pqf nI awikaf hoieaf zYzI kwt eI dyvy awgy iek vfrI kihMdy sI mYN iksy idn Gry eI

mUMh isr dI sPfeI kr dyxI aY. (gurdIp jFdf hY) (jsvMq kOr GbrfeI hoeI afAuNdI hY qy Pyr ibnF kuJ khy vfps clI jFdI hY. gurdIp pl ku leI

dfKl huMdf hY) jgdyv isMG: (gurdIp vwl vyK ky) cMgf beI gurdIp ishF mYN qF cldYN hrnfm isMG nMU dws deIN. gurdIp: (by-iDafnI ivwc hI) E ky. blvMq: (jgdyv nUM) bih jf do imMt hor jgdyv: smJ nI afAuNdI ieh kI zrfmf ijhf krI jfny aYN. myry pwly vI pfE kusL – koeI gwl

nI suxdf. (jfx lgdf hY.) blvMq: (hwQ dy iesLfry nfl Aus nUM kol bulfAuNdf hoieaf) Aury af (jgdyv blvMq kol af ky bYT jFdf hY. blvMq Aus nUM bhuq hOlI avfjL ivwc, jo drsLkF nUM nhIN

suxdI, iek do imMtF ivwc sfrI gwl smJfAuNdf hY. eyny nUM jsvMq kOr GbrfeI hoeI afAuNdI hY, hwQ joV ky Guwty hoey hn.)

blvMq: (jsvMq kOr nUM) hY ikwQy hrnfm ishMu? jsvMq kOr: myrf iKafl aY nOxH vVy sI vfsLrUm ivwc. gurdIp: (afAuNdf hoieaf) vfsLrUm qF KflI hY. jsvMq kOr: (iPrkmMd ho ky) lY, mYN qF ikhf ikqy nOHx gey aY, Pyr ikQy hoey? (aYny icr nUM hrnfm isMG aMdroN inkldf hY. isr AuWqy ikrmcI rMg dI pwg poc ky bMnHI hoeI hY. mUMh

aqy dfhVI krIm nfl ilsLk rhy hn. hwQ ivwc zFg hY, sfry vyK ky hYrfn huMdy hn.) hrnfm isMG: afh, mYN jrf dlIp ky Gr qwk jf afvF. jsvMq kOr: aYs vyly! qurky? jfh gurdIp kfr qy Cwz af.


hrnfm isMG: nhIN mYN qur ky hI jf afAunYN, kyhVf dUr aY, sfry pMj swq blfk dI qF gwl aY. (hrnfm isMG GMgUrf mfrdf hY qy ibnF iksy df jvfb AuzIky bfhr inkl jFdf hY. gurdIp dy ichry qy

muskfn hY bfkIaF dy AuWqy kuJ hYrfnI df pRBfv.)

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*** dUjf pfsf 10 dsMbr 1977 nUM pihlI vfr sYksimwQ aYlImYNtrI skUl, vYnkUvr ivwc vqnoN dUr afrt PfAUNzysLn vloN Kyizaf igaf. nftk do BfgF ivwc pysL kIqf igaf: pihlf Bfg pMjfb dy iek ipMz ivwc vfprdf hY ijs dI pysLkfrI mMc AuWqy rOsLnI mwDm rwK ky ipCokV ivwcoN kIqI geI. mMc dy ipCly prdy AuWqy rMgdfr slfeIzF aqy sMgIq rfhIN idRsL pysL kIqy gey jo ipCokV ivwc cwl rhy vfrqflfp nUM rUpmfn krdy sn (ipMz ivwc itAUbvYWl df sIn, sLihr ivwc jlUs, hvfeI jhfjL dI Auzfn afid) ies Bfg dI vfrqflfp ivwc hrnfm isMG df rol ieMdrysL ny kIqf aqy jsvMq kOr df aMimRq mfn ny. ieh Bfg ikAuNik avfjL, slfeIzF aqy sMgIq rfhIN pysL kIqf igaf sI, ies leI ieh skirpt ivwc sLfml nhIN hY. dUjf Bfg, jo AuWpr idwqf igaf hY, afpxy afp ivwc sMpUrx iekFgI hY, kYnyzf ivwc vfprdf hY. ieh Bfg mMc AuWqy Kyizaf igaf ijs ivwc pRvysL anusfr hyT ilKy klfkfrF ny Bfg ilaf:

jsvMq kOr: drsLn bYNs hrnfm isMG: ieMdrysL ikrpfl isMG: krmjIq Gumfx gurdIp: pfl ibinMg blvMq: BvKMzn jgdyv: rGbIr mMz

pihly aqy dUjy Bfg nUM sUqrDfr dy pRvysL rfhIN joiVaf igaf, ijs df rol surjIq klsI ny kIqf.

mykawp: Audy kortfxf mMc idRsLfvlI: pfl ibinMg aqy rGubIr mMz slfeIz pRojYksLn: sfDU inrdysLn aqy sMgIq: ajmyr rozy

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