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Date : OS /0 6 / 93Page:1

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DAVIS, EUGENE

DATE 05 / 18 / 78PAGES 3

SUBJECTSDAVIS, EUGENE

SHAW CLAY

ANDREWS DEANBERTRAND CLEM

OSWALD LEE HARVEY ACTIVITIES OF NOVEMBER 22-24 1 963

. . . ARRESTGILL G. WRAY

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INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE 0 0 8 ~ ~ J1. Iden t i f y in9 Informat ion:

Name Eugene Davis (C.)

Address 522 Dauphine St .

Ci ty /S t a t e New Orleans La.

Date o f Bir th 7-8-24-----------------

Date l l ~ y lg , 197g

Place 400 Bourbon St .

Telephone Unl is ted

M o r Ss

- - - - - - - - - - -Soc ia l Secur i t¥ 434-12-1448 Spouse____________________

Children----------------

Physica l Descr ip t ion:

Color Eyes Brn Hair Brneight 5 '11

~ 7 e i g h t 210 = Specia l Charac t e r i s t i c s ·Ethn ic Group Caucasian

1 . Persona l His tory:

a . Presen t Employment: Sel f) Wanda's Bar

Address 704 Ibe rv i l1e St . N.O.La.

Te l e phone 5 0 4 ~ 5 ? ~ 5 9 0 1b . Criminal Record

1 . Arres t s Eight ( 2-Ci ty 2- Sta te Misd. 4-Felony )

2 . Conv i c t ions None

4. Addi t iona l Persona l Informat ion:

a . Rela t iv e (s ) : Name

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b . Area f requented : French Quarter

c . Remarks: ~ r2 _

obert c. BurasInves t iga tor

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SEL ECT O t ~ I T T E E ON ASSASSI NAT I ONS

Name Eugene Davis Date 5-18-78 Time 3: PMAd dr e s s 522 Daunhine St. P l a c e 400 Bourbon St.

New Orleans, La.

I n t e rv i e w:

On the above time and date Investigator Robert Buras spoke with

Mr Davis in the Absinthe Bar located at 400 Bourbon St. Mr

Davis stated that he became involved in the Kennedy investigation

when Dean Andrews named him (Davis) as the Clem Bertrand that

called the hospital and retained him (Andrews) to represent Lee

Harvey Oswald shortly after his arrest in Dallaa. Mr Davis stated

that he has never been known as nor does he know of anyone n roed

Clem Bertrand. Jim Garrison named Clay Shaw as Clem Bertrand butKnew .

Davis stated that he n e v e r ~ S h a w even though Shaw lived across the

s t ree t , 509 D a u p h i ~ e St. , with an elderly lady for many years be-.fore a l l this started. Mr Davis denies that he ever knew Shaw

socially before or af ter the t r ia l .

Dean Andrews told Davis that he (Andrews) wanted to make

Davis J mous. In Mr Davis' opinion Dean Andrews i s nuts. One

· time Dean Andrews came to Davis and told him tha t he needed ten

t nousand dollars to put in a bank for a check of some kind. Acredit check or to cover a business bond. Davis withdrew the money

and loaned i t to n r e ~ n e v e r returned

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Typed Signa tur e Robert Buras

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Page Two Interview with Eugene Davis

Davis sued him and years la ter when i t came up Andrews had had a

bad heart attack and looked so bad that the Judge threw the case out

of court, according to Davis. Davis knew Andrews from the French

Quarter area. He worked in the Court of Two Sisters from approx.

1958-62 and knew the following people that worked there. Harold

and Margaret Tannebaum, Jose Pepe Mayoral, Leander D Avy (vaguely),

Nick Karno the owner and several of the people that lived in the patio

apartments. The people in the apartements that he remembers are:

Senator FNU Albright (deceased), Victor Fleeming and his wife and eon.

These were the only people l iving there and Nick Karno had an apart

ment upstairs. Davis never had an apartment or a storeroom that

could be used by anyone to sleep in or cook etc.

Davis stated that Mr G Wray Gill w ~ s his attorney for the t ran

actions on buying his bar, Wanda's. Mr Davis went to Mr G il l s

Office many times but never saw any Cubans or any other groups in

the Office.

Mr Davis stated that he did not know any of the following:

Clay Shaw, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, David Ferrie, Jack Martin,

Guy Banister, David Lewis, Layten Martens, Thomas B e c k h a ~ Mr a v ~stated that he is well known in the Quarter area and well l iked.

He took care of Mrs. Louise Antione of 516 Dauphine St. for over

twenty five years and she lef t him a l l of her estate . Davis stated

that Clay Shaw took care of an elderly white haired lady too but

Davis did not know Mr. Shaw or the lady.

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IUBJECT: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENTJOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY

At 4:10 p.m. th is d a ~ I L LRANI of the Bureautelephonically advised that Mr JCOSSA ra t Asai;stant to :the Assistant Attorney General Criminal Division, te1e- ·

phonically advised that EUGENE DAVYS attorney vas alsoreported to be the attorney for MARCELLO.

This attorney has in his possession an af f idavi tgiven him by EUGENE DAVIS to the ef fec t that he was recentlyinterviewed by two Federal Agents and that after the in te r -view one or both of these Agents said , ~ we) am (are)convinced t h ~ he, DAVIS, vas not BERTRAND.•

Bureau desires the two Agents that interviewedDAVYS be contacted and find out whether they made such astatement or • • in any way implied a t th conclusion -of

the interview that one or the other or both were ~ o n v i n c e dthat DAVIS was DUKD:RXRBMXXJO(J not BERTRAND. BRANIGANwants th is information before 4z30 p.m. New Or eans time.

l interviewed SAs KENNETH S. OLIVER and JCEVIN J .HARRIGAN, who conducted interview l a s t week vi th EUGENEDAVIS pursuant to Bureau instruct ions. ~ s Agents adviae that they stuck exactly to the questions outlined by theBureau which should be asked DAVIS ·and did not deviate theal ightes t • .-Both categorical ly sta te · that they did not aakeany atatement to the ef fec t that ei ther one ·or the other ·WU

-convinced that DAVIS vas not BERTRAND.· Further, they bad Do

conversation vi h him from which DAVYS could imply auch aconclusion.

At 4t2S p.m. th is date J telephonically adViaedMr. BRANIGAN of the results of r interview vi h t.be tiroA9ents.

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been unsuccessful any record.

Ser eant DAVIS advised tha t be recal la in June, 1963,exact 4a te unrecalled, ANDREWS diecussed witb bi.a the procedureto aaend or correct an undesirable diachar1e from tbe Marine

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. -. :..: · f ~ LDAVIS advised tha t be cannot posit iYely s ta te tha t ·. : ; / ~ ~

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was ever in AJ(DR.ElJS off ice but af te r viewinc

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programs, cana ta te tha t be 18 V UelJ familiar and aay haYe vis i ted ANDREWS'

off ice . In a d d i t ~ o n be can reca l l AMDREWS aent1on1nc to b a

on various occasions that an lndiYidual naaed OSWALD bad been

to AKDREWS' off ice •

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Reporter said that RUSSO l s possibly DOtte l l ing the t ruth or ls a very very cautfoua

witness who, unless absolutely sure abouteverything he says,will spend quite a bl tof time qualifying Hmself. Be does tendto ramble on ~ t a in his testimony but th is• ight be his demeanor. Be sometimes doesn tanswer questions directly. RUSSO said hesaw SH W once before a t the speech when

~ E N N E D Y vas dedicating the Rashville Ave.Wharf in 1961 or 1962. Be saw SH W a t theback of a group there, that SH W stood outto him because he vas the only one ~ twatching the president. Be test i f ied that

he thought he was a Secret Service agentand mentioned to his friend that the guymust be a secret service agent because be

1 was the only one not looking a t thepresident.

DE N ANDREWS, JR test i f ied before GrandJury this morning and departed af ter aboutone hour testimony, he talked to newsmen aahe went out. rhey asked i f i t vas t ruethat he was relieved of duties as AssistantDistr ict Attorney of Jefferson Parish andhe said they would have to talk to hisboas, FRANJC LANG IDGE. In contact withLANGRI 1 he uld not confixm ordeny that ANDREWS had been fi red, be s t .p lysaid the duties of Mr. NDREWS would behandled by someone else.

t laOO p.a. Dew v i t n e a a ~ N ~will tes t i fy in Grand Jury o t JU l b owbe f i t s into the case.

Representative of both DA s Office and SHAW sattorneys to s i t vlh the three judges in

chambers to find out about the time element.Mentioned possibi l i ty of night sessions.

onless aosso re utiates great part o f

testi.mony, the ment be identif ied ClAYSHAW as ER D the aan be aav t

PERJUE s apn:aen they proved probablecause and that th • vas aufficient for t:.beDA, i f be wanted to , to go t r i a l .



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The purpose of th i s memorandum l s to se t for tb ·the i ~ s t r u c t i o n s I received from United States A t t o r n e y :

LOUIS C. LaCOUR and hi s a ss i s t an ts JOHN C. CIOLINO anct : . .. · .FRITZ VETEHS, concerning ay testimony before the Orleans ·:: ·· ··., . ..Par ish Grand Jury inquiry in to Dis t r ic t Attorney J I I . .GARRISON s invest igat ion o f par t ies involved in the ~ · > .:· : ~ . .conspiracy to assass inate President KENNEDY. Io tb ie . :.< : . ._ .··

~ e m o r a n d u m I am se t t ing forth to the best o f ay recol- ' .l ec t lon the general areas of quest ions put to ~ e durioc · . . · -,..11y appearances before the Grand Jury by Dist r ic t Attorney · · · ·GARRISON a _d bis ass i s t an t s JAlrEyALCOCK, A N D R ~ C I A , B R A .·and ALVIN OSER. '

United Sta tes Attorney LaCOUR in i t i a l ly ios t ruc- ·

ted 11e, . a f t e r I was subpoenaed, to invoke the privi lege'

·on a l l questions put to m and to only answer as to · ~ , . •·. . -

name, the fact tha t I am ao agent and assigned to the · ' ~New Orleans Office o f the FBI.

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On tbe date o f tbe rece ipt o f the subpoena aod ·· . ·.un t i l May 17, 1967, and a t the hearing before Judge : · · ·BERNAkD J . BAGERT of the Criminal Dis t r ic t Court o f - ·:

Orleans Parish, Mew Orleans, Louisiana, I stood mute : . · ..·: · : · :• ·

a t a l l proceedings re la t ing to th i s matter pursuant toins t ruc t ions t the United Sta tes Attorne7.



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hearing on the morning o f lfay 17, 1967, wheo the GOvern- :..:.. : :- }- ' . .11ent s motion to quash the subpoena was denied and pr ior L . : ··to 111 appearance before the Orleans Par ish Grand JurJ , ·_: > : · . :Assistant United Sta tes Attorneys CIOLINO and VETERS ~ : · : .tempered LaCOUR's ~ n s t r u c t i o n s to the extent tha t i t ~ ~ : ( ~ •would be necessary for me to Jus t i fy invoking the pr l v l - _ :: : .lege as it would be subject to Judicia l review. TheJ ..- . .: . . .to ld me to use my owo J u d g e ~ e n t in invoking the p r 1 v 1 ~ - ; ..lege and tba t I should answer questions o f my owo personal ··_-. knowledge, and if I was in doubt on any quest ion 1 couldcome out and ask them about lt.

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Along these l i nes in discussing with CIOLINO · ,··. .. .and VETERS as to what questions should and should not be .·. ·:· · ·

nswered by me, I bad ant ic ipated tha t Dist r ic t Attoroe7 ·GARRISON might possibl askV ~ n ovem e r , 1963, in United States .Dis t f i c t Court (during t r i a l o f CARLOS MARCELLO on FraudAgainst the Government charges) . They indicated to • •tba t I should answer ln the aff i rmat ive as th is was amatter of my ova personal knowledge because FERRIE was,in t 1o the o tba t date •

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· I• went before the Grand Jury a t approxlmatel7 . . .4 :so PM . In tbe Grand Jury room, along wi tb tbe Jurora ·--= : · ·: ...were GARRISON and his three ass i s tants mentioned above.GARRISON asked most o f the quest ions. During the f i r s tba l f o f the in terrogat ion GARRISON prefaced each questiODwith a "speech" s t a t ing as declarat ions o f fact tha t ·OSWALD was an employee o f the CIA and was associated wltb · .the Cubans io the New Orleans area and did I know t h i s . - · · ·1 fe l t tha t a l l o f GARRISON's statements of al leged fac t · :prefacing his questions put to me before the Grand Jur7 . _.were se lf-serving. · · . . _ . , . . . _ . .

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In regard to the above question re la t ing to ·

OSWALD s associat ion with Cubans 1n the New Orleans area· and LEE HARVEY OSWALD s employment by the CIA, I bad DO · · ··: :..

knowledge concerning th i s aa t t e r and repl ied tha t I did not '_ ·k

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Orleans ~ a s propounded to ae by Dis t r i c t Attorney GARRISOM .tn the same aanoer. 1 bad DO knowledge o f any such individual

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· · · · ··· ·· After the f i r s t two o r three questions, GARRISON . -.. . . - : ; : .asked me whether the f i l e s o f tho FBI contained in ormatioa ·.:.·:.··:.-. .. ·concerning OSWALD's Mexican ac t iv i t i e s . At \h i s point 1 '- ··invoked the privi lege and read to GARRISON and the Juror.a : :: · -

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was asked concerning what our f i l e s showed or •ha t 1 did . . _. · · ·1n an invest igat ive capaci ty, I invoked the privi lege l a · _·x:

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questions regarding the iden t i ty of the names-I estimateto cumber approximatE y twenty from a l i s t in his possession- ·-.._. and asked if I knew these individuals . The names seemed tobe Cuban o r Spanish names and ~ e a o t ootbing whatsoever tome aod I repl ied tha t I did not know any o f these individuals . · ·. -·From the very inception o f my appearance and in terspersed .. ·.throughout, Dist r ic t Attorney GARRISON propounded numerous _.-. : . _.._: .questions to me concerning my knowledge of the rc la t ioosb lpbetween CLAY SHAW and LEE HARVEY OSWALD. Whenever thequestions involved my personal knowledge I answered thequestion I do not know. However, when the question re la ted

to of f i c i a l records or invest igat ive operations I invokedthe pr iv i lege . • . . · _ · ..

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Attorney GARRISON and merubers o f his s ta f f the · aat t e r o f · .-: <grea tes t importance, which was referred to¢: several occa- · ··s loes during the course o f my appearance wa what i n v e s t i ~ - · ·t ion was conducted by the FBI to clear CLA ~ ~ H A W in the •assass inat ion of President KENNEDY. During these questions,GARRISON and members o f his s t a f f referred a number of t imesto the Attorney General 's statement in th i s regard. On oneoccasion Assistant Di ALCOCK save a long d i s -ser ta t ion on Attoroe tatementquoted in the ead from a r t i c l ewb In regar e ques-t ion regarding invest igat ion conducted to c lea r CLAY SHAW, 1 ·invoked the privi lege. In regard to tbe New York Times a r t i c l e ·1 answered I did not know anytblng about it At some t ime · __. .during the quest ioning, ~ was asked by DJs t r i c t Attorne7 . - - - ; ..'·GARRISON if I knew CLAYJt3ERTRAND to which I answered no. ·. 1 · ..:-··Addit ional quest ions were asked of me by GARRISON lovolvlog - · · · _



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A number o f quest ions yere asked regarding a7 . · :. ...knowledge of the act ions o f tho· Fair Play for Cuba Committee .... ..and o f DAVID FERRIE s connection with _t h l s group. I answered r

these q u e s t i o n ~ I do DOt know. I vas also asked whether .- _ .I knew S E R G I Q / A R C A C H A , S A I I T H and J repl ied tha t J had seea .::··:-; .. ... ·

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Dis t r ic t Attorney GARRISON asked a se r i es o f . : ··:, ·. ·: •'

quest ions regarding the seizure o f explosives across Lake ·: . . .Pontchart ra ln in the Sl ide l l area and a se r i es of questiooa :regarding al leced t ra in ing camps for Cubans in tha t general ·area . I advised tho Jury tha t I vas not familiar witb ·· ::-. •e i the r of these matters . The quest ions regarding theabove two matters appeared to 11e to be designed to develop · --..information regarding Government pol icy r e l a t ing to CUbana ·as well as the reason why the individuals involved were -·not prosecuted. .. r .

I was also asked if I had any knowledge o f theburglary of anmuni t1on bunker a t Houma, Louisiana, to wblcla ·.

I repl ied I did not kDow. •

•l l s . U : = ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ ; y ~ G A R R I S O N asked if I knew w. GUY, and I to ld him yes. He then asked i f I had ever

s i ted BANNISTER's off ice and the i den t i ty o f anyone Iobserved there . I answered t ha t I bad been in GUY B A ~ ~ I S T E R • aof f i c e and t b a t ~ b e only person I could reca l l observing whilethe re was J A C / ~ ~ I N and two women, whose names I c o u t ~ A O . - ~r eca l l . I was a lso asked o f my knowledge of onsblpbetween BANNISTER, ARCACHA SMITH an answered t ha tI did not know.

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spersed involving my kno\\·ledgo o fJ A C ~ R t m Y ,

the purpose o f bla .v i s i t to New O r ~ a n s and wbotber J had any knowledge o f theiden t i ty o f persons ~ U B Y contacted in New Orleans. I answeredthe quest ions o f my own personal knowledge t ha t I did not know.Quest ions along these l ines ·bleb involved the records o f theGovernment, I ~ n v o k e d the pl'iv i lege .



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the privi lege. .,. . ._ . ·· .:.. ·.

At one point, GARRISON asked a numberabout my knowledge of the buying of equipment, such a• . _t rucks and other i tems, by the Cubans in New Orleans, to · .which 1 re l ied t ld no kn · ..

A series of questions were askedWAYNE/6ALZELL aod i f I was familiar with bim.ledged that I knew hi • The question was thenwhether I had any information of DALZELL being

A aod I answered I did not know.

I was then asked i f ~ · e records ot the FBI con-tained any l n f o r ~ n a t J o n concerning the ident i ty of the . .organizers of the.Aree Voice of Latin America aod I Invoked · ...the pri vile •• • • . ·· ......

.. . .I was asked a series of · questions concerning Special ·.·.

Agent WARREN C/CJeBRUEYS. I was asked if I knew bill and I .replied yes. I was asked if be was s t i l l an FBI Agent andI replied yes. 1 was asked if bo was in New Orlnns OD

November 22, 1963 and 1 replied I did not k n o w J w ~ awhere be is now located and 1 replied washington, . . . . - ~ _ . •

Pr1 or t o my a p p e t a n e e e o r e the Grand Jury, was advisedby AUSA VETERS that Dist r ic t Attorney GARRISON knew tha t SAdcBRUEYS was in Washington, D.C. and I did not feel tha t

th i s was a disclosure of any information not already knowa __ .by GARRISON. GARRISON in bls comments to the Grand Jury,indicated that be bad knowledge of the fact that SA dcBRUEYShandled security matters while in New Orleans and asked ror ·.the ident i ty of Agents working secur i ty matters. I replied . . ·that the only ono I could recall was SA .deBRUEYS. . . • ·· . ..... - ·

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to zy t;tell ora.ndu.l'tl dated Fobrua.cy 20 1967, concerning cffo "tsDean Adams d the s u b s e q u ~ n t d 2 c i ~ i o n to

e e r ~ Bureau of Investigation with i n f o ~ t i o nof President Kennedy.

On } arch 29, 1967, Hr. Andrews telephoned th i s o.ff'ice requesting an illtervie;.r

with an agent .

n my absence, ASAIC Short discus :Jed th i s nat ter by t e lephone with Assista:.17-Director Kelley nnd was advised to not i fy the loca l off ice of tha Federal Bur-eau of r n v ~ s t i g a t i o n and d e t e r n r l _ ~ e whether, for ~ i J ~ e a s o n they desired to

have Hr: Andrews intervielred.

SA Art \'Tall, i. 'l the absence of SAIC ·ru.gh teye r ; FBI, New Orleans, t.-1?.3 f\'..r: ishedwith t h i s inforr;-.ation and he advised they Here not conductL.'"lg e>.ny inves t igat.i?n

and lotould have no in teres t in an in te rview 11lth Hr. A n d l ~ e w s \

On March 30., 1967, in a telephone c o n v r s a t i o n bDtween ASAIC Snor t and Hr. ~ l l yit Has de cided tha t no effor t \'I'Otud b e r..ade to in te rv im.; Andre;,-1 s , ho:;aver , i he ldesired to cone in to the off ice a record wo"..lld b e made o f any inforr-<1.tic:.

wished to fu..""nish. Hr. Andrews 1-,-as in tervie : 1ed by t e lephone and he said he ;.rc?.s Jgoing to \·Tashington, D. C • ., on Harch .31, 1967, and \iOuld a p p : r ~ c i a t e it i.f he 5could be furnished Inspector John Rice s t e lephone u n b ~ r H ~ d ~ e d to S ::J

whether he had any information o f value concel'T'.ing the a s::Jassinat ion and s tatedth at he only \>Ja.l.ted the ".field notes " <:f the i . . 1 v n T. ade by t h i s Ser-.ricea t tha t ime of th e assass inat ion. He sta ted that h 3 f elt th i s nLtgh t b e of va lue

i he l'<'aS tried on the s ta te p er jury case p ending aga ins t him. He i..'1d ic at.ed rtha t Orleans Parish A t t o r n y Garris on was t ry ing to get h :Ln to ident i fy De.fcn- t

dan t Clay Shaw as a r-a.1. kno:m as Clay Ber t r and., and also id enti y .2.n U.'ldi s clo :>ed .11 l .atin type 11 as a x i c a n 'HhO had been in his (/mdr.;lWS 1 ) off ic e O:c\ O>le OCCasic:;..

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available n tha National Archives and Hr. AndreHs could obtain the necessar:r

in£ormation from that source.

.This same date Hr. Andrews was fUrnished the information concerning lns;>ector·

Rice and the availabil i ty of tpe inforr.ation through the Nat ion l ~ c h i v e s

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you_, NlD Peterson, and the ·.-ll'it-er c o : - l ~ r n i . n z the present i n v c s ~ i e a t i o nin the O ~ > ~ a l d case b ~ i n g c o n d u c t ~ by tha Orleans P< .rish Dis t r i c t

1\ttorney, l ~ : " i 0:::-le.:t_-;s, louisiana. ATD Pot;;lrson r e q u ~ s t e d tha t a l l .a r t i c l e s l l , J ~ c a r i n ~ LTl Neil" O r l ~ a n s in th i s r ~ g a r d be tr.:>.nscitted for :h:l.s -po:}rsonal ::ltt;mtion. . ·

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The a r t i c l e s appear' _ng in the Times-Picayune ~ n d tho I ~ · , , O r J . e a . . ~ sStatcs-Itc.."J. for February 17 through 20, 1967, ar3 at tached lrl th cowo f thi3 ~ e n o r a n d ~ ~ di rec ted to ATD Peterson . : ·

Severa l ot'" the a r t i c l e s h ake n ~ n t i o n of David :·1 Ferrie ".·rho has been

q u e s ~ i ~ n ~ d by t h ~ Di3tr ict .t..ttorn:.y' s=tlt i idP. . l'or yOUl' lflfox ;J3tions

~ I ' - . Ferrie -..ros the subject. of a report sub.nitted by S1\ Anthony :E.Gerr? t s l tL·f C'.t'Ieans dnt ed De ce.:-:lb :: r 13, • < 63. -

Fo1:.- your f 'urthe r information, ~ . Fer r i e contacted the 1 ~ m . , Orleans

O f i i c ~ on Deceuber 16 1 66 m .tffvis-3 th:xt he hid ocwn ouhoo·3:n:l.e:.'dappear e. .ore the O rleans Parish Grand Jury at 9 :JO A :t. t h ~ previous

day, D e c u b e r 15, 1966. s t a ted the subpoena did not s t a te the .

na t1.u-ao f t h ~

casefo r which he

·liasbein.5 s u b p o e n a ~ d and on his ar r iva l

a t the O r l ~ a n s P<:Lrish Court P.ouse, he '..;as <}Scorted to the off ice ofAssis tant Dis t r i c t J \ t t o r n ~ y ~ " f n r d uher e h'3 :·sas intcrvic;·red by anothe:;:

Assistant Dist r ic t Attorney by the nar:.e o f Volz.. Ib sa id he did 11otappear before a Grand Jm--y. He said he uas r.dvisad th:1t t h ~ y h:: .d beengoing th..T'Ou.t;h the Om1c1ld f i l e b er::aus e o.f. recen t ne;·rspapar itc:ns and

£ound t h e i r invest igat i on to be ; n c o ~ l e t e partly because of th3a b s e ~ c e of n s i g . . 1 statemen t froa "Fe r r i e . He s t a ted t h y questionedhi..:-:1. Lll g r ~ a t d et a i l r eg:1.rding the t ? . t · b r but he could add noth lro.g t othe in.fo "Dation he previ?usly i u r n i 3 h Hlri..ch i s r 1.1fl ec tcd in th i s . f i le •

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You a d v i ~ ~ d tha t in vic'.'f of the c i r c u . - . . s t ~ " l c ~ s , the i.ntervie"'{ \o,'ith

Andre;..;3 ::.bould not bo co:1ducted and i he contacts th is off ice htlshould b ~ advised to fm:-nish any i n f o r r ~ t i o n he has to the rederaiEureau o f Inv3stigation. As o f th is time, 3:40 P. H February 20 .- .

1967, he h ~ s n.:.cia no ccnt.:lct ~ d . th th is offic·e.. , , ..

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a d d i t i q n u u r t i c l ~ s tha t appear i.. l tha loc:U press ui]J. oo transtrl.tted

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J.D Kelley

SA C H ~ r m a n Ne,., Orleans

Lee Harvey Oswald Information .furnished by Attorney Dean Andre1-1s

A n d r e ~ . . s > Jr .# Ne';i' Orleans .

. This i s to confirm. long distance cal l received .from Inspector John l i.Rice on December 14, '1966, advising o f a cal l received a t his home a t _appro.x:imately 5 3 0 P. H ~ , December 1.3, 1966, from Ne,., Orleans Attorney

Dean Ada.'ns Andre"irs, J r . previously interviewed in th is case, subjecto f repor t da ted De cemBe r 6, 1963, by Hr. Rice who l·tas then Special Agent

in Charge o f the New Orleans Office. Inspector Rice sta ted tha t Hr.Andrews claimed to have some neii information to indicate that OsHald

had acted as an agent ' for someone else and ate. ed he ' ' is no1-r 40 suretha t he knows the ident i ty o f the ·person who 'as responsible for.Oswald ki l l ing President Kennedy 11

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Inspector Rice sta ted he had discussed t h i s matter with you and tha t

you desired r eport in the case be · forll'la.rded for y o u r at tent ion and

then to the Inte l l igence Division.

Sever a l _at tempts Here made l a s t -r;eek .to reach Attorney Andrews buthe was not avai lable a t his off ice . We -succeeded in reaching him a t

his home today and found tha t he i s ill. He Has not overly coopera t iveand requested tha t interview l lith him be deferred un t i l a l a te r date.

Report wil l be submitted l·Then the intervievr can be completed.

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Clay L. Shaw, charged with arp p e r f e c t ~ · glad to c o o ~ a ~ e

lssl.I;,S DENIAL('OD.ipiracy in the death .r with

thedio;trict attorney af hiSPrtsidtnt John F. KeDDedy, moliVP i ar" constructive. and

• f asing. we won't know that until we'veD · Sa H N Andrews • ·as previously in-.talked to him ,'' Kohn said.

avaa ys e eve dieted for perjury after testify- Kohn ~ i c t his conversationWas Bertrand 1 t . ing that he could neither be v.-a ' "formal" rather than "ami-,

~ , . . sure that Shaw and the man he cable." and that he will not 1

By BOB USSERY .· knew _ s B e r t _ r ~ n d were c o m m e n t on Its content u ~ t i lThe man whom Dean ATAA ume. nor that they were dif· repoM:ing to the MCC executive

dre J...._ · - · ferent persons. counc1l . . ,

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K h Da,·is. 'llfho opcratrs \\ anda s :Cl , Bertr 00 t to o· tr t lis G11l spoke. Aaron 1. . o n, .1 be

AUoa} Gwen. , 15offilc managing director of the Metro- Rh_ar r r ~ d blbcn·• ~ a n

rney am ~ ' ce politan Crime Commission of ;s , 1 an assa• •ngThursday and denied that he 1'\ew Orleans. was i:lside Garri- ~ ~ s allegations. enoJ slat

is 86trand in an affidavit no- son's ~ · a i l i n g room awaiting his '"1: tbat K\'Cr called An-

tarized by one ol Garrison's ~ nn<m a p p e a r a ~ c e m _he .districl drews about deleadiag Lee

sistants and llitnessed by two llllornt'y s o(flce. w h ~ h or- Ha n·ty Oswald.oth isla . dered by one of Garnson s sub- It said · ier ass . Y:: _ . penas. "The r ~ c e n l statements b\' At-Eugene ' - ~ I S a F ~ n c h Kahn and E. C. Upton Jr ., tomcy Dean A. Andrews identi- :

Quarter bar _operator_·bo tes- ~ ~ ~ president. requested Lou- lying me as Clay Bertrand arc :lified before abe Orleans Par· i 'ialla o r ~ e ~ G c n e ~ a _ a c k utterly and completely false andish Grand Jary WedDesday . .P. F . C.r_em lllron to mrllale an malicious and damnable. They ;appeared eatside the W a l t i o ~ m v ~ t J g a l l o n _of < ; h ~ r g e s ~ r e : ~ ~ ~ a "6:e l i e ~ w ~ t h ? u t Justifica. ion.,

doo .r G · . , (. agiWl Garnson s mvcstigatJon. This aff1dav1t 1s bemg mace tonom • r . BrrlSOD ' e - .., KOHl'\ QUESTIONED 1set the record straight to showB_e Wlt_h llis aUonley, G. . Kr.l:-:1 entered the wailing .that Dean A n d r ~ w s has knownM G1U, .-bn . t a a n ~ e d out ror•m at one minute before noon . .me for a long trme arrd knows ,c:-opru of the alf1dav•t short- but h d to " ·a il for one-half lhaf I haH nevrr been knownIt' alter poon. hour b:? for e be n ~ : caiiPd into by t?e name of Clay Bertrand .'iJll, • ·ho did the talking for the inner orliccs by ch ief inves- · to h1m or any othc: pe rson. l •

, ) ; . ~ a s , said his client "is ap- tig;:,tcr Lou is lvon. wan t to state unequn·ocally for

parently the man·· the Nation- L' 1 .d th 1 . th . the- record th at I han ne,·erl B d . . no m sa1 a . In c mam d ·· r Cl · B t da roa castmg Companv Jden· h. . . d ... • u >c t il t namr o a} cr ranrr cd a Cl . B t .d b t · 1$ ~ conslstc mter- nor ha ve I called Dean Andrews1 1 s a) er ran • 11 1 ogatiOn by Mr Garmon Mr ·'aid emphatically that Davis .cJ L 1 AI. k d' 1\1 • in reference to reprc:-entallon'";s not Clay Bertrand and has ( d V ~ o c · anAI of Lee Ha n·cy Oswald . ·

not p a ~ d as Clay B e r t r a ~ ~ " a n ~ ~ r n e ~ r e a ~ ~ ~ ~ : ~ t d i s ~ ~ f c t The affidavit w t ~ s notari1.cdNBC, .'" ,a program c r t t i c ~ l a t t o r n e ~ who have been active 1by Assistant D i s l r i Attorney

Garnson s Kennedy assass1- · · IJohn P. Vol1. allj w1tnessed b\·nation investigation. said it had, in Garrison's investigation. assistants Burnes and A n d r c ~ v identity of a man who used The purpose or his subpena' J . Sciambra. Gill said he ap·lOt nan:e Clay Bertrand was to answer questions in p r o v e d his client's sign ing or it

turned 1t over to the Justiee ' dJstrict attornev's "investiga- CAlL AlLEGEDDepartment I . . Andrews tor. the Warren

VISITED BY A G E ~ I S lion_of allegatJOns.•or u n e t h i ~ a l Commission that a Clay Bcr·- Gill also reiterated part of ' or .•.llegal conduct. Kohn said. Irand called him shortly -after

his client's affidavit which saidl I was _very ~ l e a s e d to s e ~ llhe assassination with regard to

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lej ations by Dun Andrews. 1 Jury Wednesday.conlacled by two federal In re >ponse to a ques tion be -·

olfflcers within the last several fore entering Garrison's officerlays and I have fully cooperal- Kohn S<lid hi' did nol think of

rd with them aDd was given Garrison 's subpena 'iis -*'fllir"orlhe assurance by one fll t J ~ or aflf-air."ricers that after they had inves-tigated into the matter. they feltassured that the identificationof IDe as Clay Beri,Fa l WiSfal se . -> - - -

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Davis sairi he had spoken ton d r e w ~ about a Cl;l\' Bertrand

after Shaw indicted."The nnl\' time I have ever

spokrn to Dt>an Andrew i anthe name Cla,· Bertrand was

mtntioned wa l • ·hen DeanAndrc\\'s cal cd me on tbctelephone which • ·as afterCla\' Shaw y,·as indicted ud ·

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. had ever known anyone by ·i the name o Clav Bertrand\ or could I assist him in help- ,: ing him to fiod 11 Clay Ber· ;· trand." Davis said. I

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dr""S ~ e r j ' '''wiUuUy and unlawfully 111tesUfyin& under oath to atatemenls he ..well knew · ~false .net unLrue and an -which wert related ~ ~ ~len . • • ander tnvesliJiliOD.IG wll: a conspiracy ' IDIIr·

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ANDREWS SAID ~ Walll'laurprised by the tndtctment.

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Thoma' M. Brahney .l r. ~I p.m. Andre"l· ap:of lpanied .b)' 1 bondsman, ar rnecf 8t

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oeaa AncfmrJ, the J j v ~ ,., charce. Bond wu fur-biking lawyer who told the nished b)' hmmJt Fide11t7Warren Commlulon Lee Har· aDd Suret7 C ·vey Oswald risi .ed his oCfice • · ·

several times In 1963, was : .ASKED IF HE bad madefree under $1,000 bond loday any false statements, Andrewsartu belng Indicted for aJ. repUed: ..Absolutely DOL ·Jleied petjUI'}'. ~ &uUfied u I could to the bat

The Orleans 'firWJ Grand fll my knowledce . Appareat.Jury returned &he Indictment ]J &bert II a conflict Gl opiD-~ r d J y cNrJin& that An- jon h 1o wMl I &esWieddrtws lutlfJed ''falsely under 8boul

»lh Jn the probe or an aJ. . . He .1Jc1 be bad "'no tnowJ.lt&ecf conspiracy to murder edle.. d an aUececl pJotPresident lohn F. Kennedy. Jllt.checl Jn New OrJeana . .

1be indictment came 11 a .-naninale the President..hree-Judge criminal distrid • -a'b7 were you brou&hl JDioourt panel wound up l be ~ JnvesU&aUoa . aa Jnts'•hird day of • prlliminal'1 ~ k w t t ukecl .

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- INTERVIEW 3 /2 /6 7

On 5:56 P.M. , ·2 March 1967 1 DEAN ANDREWS,

accompanied by h i s a t t o rn e y Sam Ze l den 1 \vas i n t e r v iewed in the

Of f i c e o f th e District A ttorney , P ar i s h o f O rleans , by Ass i s t a n t

District Attorneys James ~ l c o c k Richard Burnes , A d n r e ~ . . Sciambra

and S p ec i a l Aide Wil l iam Gurv ich . This in te rv iew was t a p e -

r eco r d e d w i t h the know l edge and c o n s e n t o f Hr • A _ l \ I D R E ~ Wh i l e

a\vai t i n g the t r a n s c r i p t i o n o f t.lta t tap e t h i s memorandum i s

r es p ec t f u l l y submi t t ed .

A N D R E ~ ' l S s t a t e d he is an A s s i s t a n t D i s t r i c t At to rney

i n th e 'l\ven ty -Fo u r th J u d i c i a l I i s t r i c t o f L o u i s i a n a ... .

He f u r t h e r s t a t e d h e had appeared b e f o r e t he

Warren Commission in th e ir i n v e s t i g a t i o n o f the a s s a s s i n a t i o n o f

Pre s i d e n t K e n n ~ d y and f u r n i s h ed t e s t im ony r e l a t i v e to h i s

kn owledge o f th e a c c u ~ e d as s a s s in , LEE R ~ V E Y O S ~ DA N D R E ~ \ T S sa i d OSI·lP LD c c.me to h i s o f f i c e in Nay o r

Jun e 1 963 f o r l ega l a s s i s t a n c e . From memory , A1i DRE\·:s s a i d he

p r o b a b l y sa\vO S ~ - J A L D

t h ree o r fou r t imes . ANDRE\vS' o f f i c e was in627 Maison Blanche Bui ld ing , New f ) r leans , when OSI\TALD car.1e vli th

t h r ee young men who were obvious homosexu a l s . The l a t t e r were

in some minor t roub l e wi t h t he l oc a l p o l i c e b u t i t was n o t

n eces s a r y f o r him to a c t u a l l y r e p r e s e n t them . A N D R E ~ · 7 S st te d he

was wel l knovm in the French Quar t e r and h ad r ep r e s en t ed homo-

~ s e x u a l s on seve ra l occas i ons .,

Wh e n q u e s t i o n e c abou t h i s tes t imony on 21 J u l y 1964

b e f o re the Vlarren Commission , where in h e s a i d t h e r e were one · o r

t wo homosexu a l s ; ANDREWS s tu d i ed th e Commis s i o n Repor t f o r f ive

minu t e s (6 :03-6 : 08 P . M) and the i n te rv i e w r e s um ed .

ANDREWS sa i d h i s f i g u r e s t o u s were a c c u ra t e and

added th a t on e of thes e gay k id s (homosexu c. l s ) was a I - - ~ e x i c a nHe sa i d the Me x i can was q u i e t and d id n o t t a lk . ANDREWS rec a ll s

h av ing made a f i l e on th i s b u t d id n o t r e t a i n it .

Accord ing to A ~ R E \ · 7 S OS\vAL D idcn t i £ i e d him s e l f

a nd s a t on AND:R.E\·7S ' left dur ing t h e i r first me e t ing . H2 d o nrem embe r if th e o th e r s were i d e n t i f i ed .



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The J. c.s t t im •o 1\ Ill<:O\·;s sav' OS,• I\LD Ha s i n f r o n t o lt h G i s on Blanche :Cu i l cling \·.he n O S i l J ~ L \•las c1 i s t r bu t i n g r::-v=-- -lC<Js tJ:-o l e a f l e t s . \liDIU·:\· S u f ' p a c h c c 1 OSi ·:.i\LD to a ttempt t o ~ _ ? l ~ ~ ~ : : . . . . - <1 d e l i n q u en t f ee b u t OS\·:i\J D ha cl no mone y t.o pu.y him . l \l\ D.i-:.t.:::\'.'5

r e c a ll s a 1 ' - ~ c x i c o n b ~ i n g H i t h OS\ i \LD a t tJi·i s lime . _ This HGx ic u. n

wa s abou t 5 1 10" , h a cl a shor t , f J a t t op h ai t ·c u t th a t t apered in

b a ck , and hacl a.n a t h l e t i c - LypG bu.ilcl . .ANDREI·lS sa .i.c1 a Ne xica.n

\vas - a l ways wi th ·OS i\11\LD . Although U1G Nex i c a n was n o t id e n t i f i e d

o r i n t rcduced and n e v e r spol:e , ANDlill'dS s a i d he cou l d r e cogn ize

h im. -·

Some pho tographs were shovm to A ~ T D R f o r p o ss i b l e

r eco g nit ion o r i d e n t i f i c a t i o n b u t to no a v a i l . A ~ T I R m · ; r s s a i d he

c o u l d n o t s e e th e n e cks o f t he s ub j e c t s i n th e pho tographs which

would b e nece s s ary as th e Mexican wi th O S ~ l ' . L D had an u n u s u a l l y

s t rong- look ingneck.

ANDRE\<lS added t h a t he als o knew DAVID FERRIE and

h ad r e c e n t l y been c o n t a c t e d. b y him to settl e a brake t ag v i o l a

tion .

. Re f e r r i n g back to O S ~ < l A L D , ANDRE\\"S s t a t e d it was

a b o u t 5 :30 P . H . when L D and the t h r e e o the r s c ame to see him .

The re were no i n t r o d u c t i o n s o t h e r th an b y OSvlALD . \ hen asked

why t hey came to him ANDRE\<lS s a i d someone had r ecorrunended h i m.

AND REHS was asked i f he re c all

ed the WarrenCommiss ion ask ing him a b o u t CL AY B E R T R . Z \ ~ " D and ANDRm·;rs r e p l i e d ,

Whe r e i s tha t? A copy o f the R ep o r t was shovm to him and t he

i n tervievT resu med a f t e r a two-minute pause a t 6 :21 P . M.

--S ta t i ng he was now ready t o d i s c u s s CLAY BERTRAtW ,

h e r e f e r r e d t o the Rend e vous Bar which he d e s c r i b e d as a11 sw i ng i ng p l ace and .was l oca t ed in t he French Quar t e r where the

Red G a r t e r i s now . ANDREWS e x p l a i n e d he li ved in t he P o n t a l b a

Apartme n t s when in school and met many homosexuals .

ANDREWS s a i d t he young men wi th O S ~ · l A L D used h i sphon e to c a l l someone and when c on t a c t a made , h anded t h e

phone to him • . As 1 > - . N D R E ~ ' l S li s tenec , a vo ice s a i d , "\vh a teve r t hey

we I 1 11 pay . ANDRE'VTS s a i d he had he a rd t h i s vo i c e and name

b e f o r e unde r s i m i l a r ci rcum s t a n c e s . \fuen asked if he knew \·;ho

CLAY BERTR.A.ND was A N D R E ~ · l S s a i d he d idn1 t knmv f o r su re . Asked

if h e eve r had any f i n a n c i a l d e a l i n g s w i t h CLAY BERTRAl'ID , Al-;"TIRm·7S

' r e .p l i c d he had n o t b e cause th e " k i ~ s " a l w a y s ~ came b ack and p a i d .

He s a i d BERTRAl-TD n eve r owe d him any money.

Asked if he had e v e r seen o r met BERTR.A.l.\fD, A-.N'DRE\·iS

s a i d he had t\·Jice and th e n c o r r e c t e d it to ·once . ANDRE'\·TS s a i dh e saw him i n a b a r on Da uphinG S t r e e t n ea r Esp l a nade Avenue . He

s a i d BERTRAN D g o t up and l eft the b a r wh en AND REI iS came in .

ANDRE\<lS was aske d what ma d e him t . ~ i n k t h a t man was CLAY BERTP-AI::D

and h e s a i d h e cou ld n o t r eca ll

A t 6 :26 P . M. ANDREvlS was shmvn the R e p o r t whe r e he

is qu e s t i on e d abou t B E P - ' l R A ~ " D - o wing him money . ANDREi·IS re p lied

t h a t h e wa s vague th e n b ecau se he \·lCJ.S b c ir:.g pu s hed in th e sam:>

manne r as we we re push ing in our i n t e r v i e w.

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p h o n e ~ as he h ocl h cc:n·c1 i_t- b c f o ~ c t nc1 l.h : voice \·:as p i r t tc lli-

g en t and cduc u tccl . l i N D l Sd.i.d BET\. ':;.:1\i\;'\D h :1d om n<md o f th e

I<ing Engl i sh " und cJ ic1n t sound horrtoscxu;:,.l or. c f i,t 'mina tc .

When ask ed to de s c r ibe th e person h e saw on

Dauphine S t r ee .: und conclude d it vms :CEHTRl\..ND , ANDRE\\-s asked fo r Ia s h o r t b reak to r e f r e s h h i s memory a t 6 : 29 P . M.

Resuming , ANDREI\TS sc:;.id he "didn t c r ~ y a t ape

mea su re wi th h i m ~ F i n a l l y he · sa i d t h i s man had g re y h a i r c:.nd

ruddy o.:>mplexion . ANDREWS added t h a t he though BER'l'Hi\ND was

b i - sexual. A t t h i s p o i n t he r e c a l l e d the b a r was Cosmos ' s .

ANDRE\<lS s a i d he had a c t u a l l y seen t h i s man twice . The first t im e Iwas at a "gay b a r (homosexual hangout ) - maybe" Dixie ' s o r

"maybe on Cha r t r e s .ANDREI<lS

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IBERTRAND on t h i s first meet ing .

ANDREWS s a i d he was co n f ined to H o t e l Dieu H o s p i t a l

in New Orleans on the day o f the a s sa s s i n a t i o n . While t h e r e he

r ece iv ed a phone call from CLAY BERTRl\1ID \•lho asked h ·im to go to

Da ll as , Texas and d efen d LEE HARVEY OSWALD who had b een a r r e s t e d

and accused o f murder .

_A t t h i s p o i n t A N D R E ~ \ T S re c a l l e d t h a t on OS\•7.'\LD ' s

visit to h i s o f f i c e CLAY BERTRl-"\ND t o l d ANDREivS on the phone th a t

he would pay the ex p en ses . A ~ i D R F . \ s a i d the ex ac t words \ lere I 1 11 p e r s o n a l l y handle fee .

ANDREWS was asked if he knew. CL AY Srli""\i•l and he s a id

h e had seen p i c t u res o f him b u t t h ey had never m et . Asked if

BERTRAND and SHAvl were s · m i l a r i c a . ~ des

a · d he "wouldn·• t know" . He s a i d he had no f i l e

ANDREHS then sa1.d we co d c a l l Regis .r 'ennedy o f

John Rice co u ld ca re le s s .

He sa i d all the homosexual young men he r e p r e s en t ed

kne¥7 BERTRAND's number and would ca ll him from ANDREi·lS ' o f f i c e . IANDREWS added t h a t he "handled " so many homosexuals because h i s j

r e p u ta tion p reced ed h im". ANDREI\TS sa i d he probab ly met f ifteen Io r twen ty homosexuals \vho kne\·T CLAY BERTRAl.TD. He can n o t remember

~ y o f t h e i r names.

During t ~ i s i n t e rview , seve ra l )pho tographs o f

v a r io u s persons , i n c l u d i n g CLAY SHJ\V'l , were shm·m to AlY DRE\\'S .

S ev e r a l names \'Tere aJ..co ment ioned f o r recogn i t ion . This was to

no a v a i l .

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Q. I don ' t l ~ n o : , r if you nre mran of a s tory in the S t a t c ~ - I t c : : - ~ 7

A. I h enrd about. i t .

Q. Ir. reGard to the i n v c t i ; , ; a t i o n b ~ , the Dis t r ic t Attorney , of the ns::;o.s 5i

nn.t ion of th e prc uiclC nt , seeinG ho'.; you \ - T C ~ m c n t i o n ~ in - the \h r ren

o r n r n i ~ s t e st:i.mony report , we \-7CYC \-ionder ing i f you vrere contacted

by the Di s t r i c t Attorney yet ?

A. I ' d ra ther not tr.ake nny comllient. I don ' t kno-...1, \-That these :peop le ere

doing and c n ~ r y t h i n G elce . I appcnred b e fore the Harren Co:;-.. l iss io: l ,

and I averHt:;e about once or t\ :i ce a Heck , people seeking for in tc rv ic ·.;s

and I j us t thouc.ht nothinc; can ccn-.e out of it , but you can ' t br ing thePresident back to l i f e again . I jus t don ' t vant to se t involved in i tand bes ide n that I l ike to l ive . I f a guy can put a hole in the

Pres ident he can jus t step on me like an ant , it i s not my f igh t .

It s s o ~ c body else ' s f i Ght .

Q. Have you e ver been threatened a t a l l?

A. No. I haven ' t been threatened , but people seem to f ee l t h a t I know

mo re than I knovr . I n some i nstances i t i s correc t , and i n o the rs , it

i s wrong , they jus t dra•r conclusions . I duck it to t e l l you the t ru th ,

I mean I am not in teres ted in it one way or tne ot her . I s tay R"viay

f rom it . Tney a l l hound me , shm.r me pic ture s and s i t doi.il and tal i : ,

t a l k . And. I j us t l i s ten , lis ten and. \-;hen th e y are f in i s h8 d I t e l l t 'le:n-

n o c om:uent .

Q. Woo are tnese peopl e you are r efer r ing to ?

A. Everybody . People from Burope . Writers , publishers , researchers

c ranks , t he whole b i t .

Q. Has t h e Governor sho¥n any fu r ther i nteres t i n you ?

A. Yes , they watch m ~ Tnere i s a tap on the phone you are t a lk ing on n o ~ .

Q. Have you n 1n across t h i s Clay Bertrand again that you ta lked about i n

the repor t ?

A. On l y one time , but I \Tasn ' t ab l e to catch him. I a'l l a l i t t l e heavy

you knmr and I can ' t move like I used to . I went up the s t r e e t and Ic ouldn ' t catch him .

Q. Tnere i s a statement a t t r ibut ed to you in e i the r the tes t inony or the

r E ~ o r t a t th i s t ime it escape s me, in \-.'hich you s a id there ••ere t hree

t h i ngs you Here goine; to do and one o ' . ~ thera \ Tas f ind Cla y Bertra nd an:i

t he othe r one was f ind the guy tha t really ki l l ed the Pres ident? Doyou still feel tha t way?

A. We l l Dadde o, l ike I sa y I l ike to l ive; but wha t the h e l l it wouldn ' t

roaY.e 110 d i f fe rence . I ' ve done two of t he th re e . l e t ' s put it tha t wa y .

Q. Do you care to sa y •Thich tvo?

A. No .

Q . 'l o the bes t of yo'.lr k n m ; l c d . ~ e would you sc:..y tha t J im Gnrr i s on i s o d t . ~ ci ng n.n inve s t it:;a t ion in to th e t s . : : ~ t

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' l ~ c 'J 'J, . ·:-Picayune v1 l l pick it up to:-r:orro,., mornintj . You see the

P:-c H ,'" ' ' · Co;rpoy-n t ion mms both the mornin 2: .. .; J ich i s t te 'l'in:esl l r __ a nd t te e v ~ n i n g edi t ion . 'l'ncy on ly have one nc-...rsp3.per in t h i s

t ~ W l l ·, I a morning and e v e n i n ~ edition:::; nrc mmed by t h e same publ is :1in5f211n,

I s ec . \lell t he i r reputa t ion i s pr e t t y f a r and wide.

\-:ell, 1L; repor te r i s Jack Dempsey and he 1 s been a po l ice repor t e r since

-.m::; 1' t ub nt ton1cy and t ha t i s almost 20 years and he knmrs -...;ha t he ;lS d ~ t Actn:J.l ly , for the break you a re looking for , you are p r e . c . : : . t ~ e •.There I. ---..-e so:ne peoule doTm here f r om Boston for Carn iva l , l e t ' s see ·

Mond[l./1 t.he day b e f ~ n Hardi Gras and th e y asked me for the se..r.:e things

a ~ d 11 '11 ' t kno-.,.r, I j u s t c a n t see anything co:ne out of i t . \.fnat

d l ffl.: does it make, the guy i s dead? You s t a r t a l o t o f sh - - , ness

U J? n ~ h of people . I 'm jus t kind of conse rv?.t ive , I bel ieve in l e t -

tJ.ng 11- l_eepine doe; l i e . About a ll I can get out of publ ic i ty i s a hole

in my }_"' _ d and tny cred i tor s -.,.;ill f j_nd me and th ink I ern far.1ous and -...:an t

me to 1-y my b i l l s , -...rhich I c a n t do .

Do Y0 11 Lllink l ee Harvey Oswald was innocent?

~ e n c v ki l l ed hi."'n, a l o t of people lmow tha t , he vas nothing but a

ecoy; ' · \-e rybody YJlo-...rs t ha t .

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L .: '"'u th ink .....-e should of : f ic ia l ly c lea r h is name thout:;,..'-1?

vfuat 111 1re rence does it make? To those who knov, it makes no difference,

to ...rho do kno;•, no explana t io n -...ril l suf f ice . You can ' t 1ri n fo "

lo sill r. Jn th i s game . · Tney knm•, everybody k_-rlm:s . All you have to be i s

h a l f \, · in te l l igen t . Tnat boy lacks three things : he l acks capaoilit:--,

f : asi l , , t -Lty and responsib i l i ty and the wee.:pon coulli."1 t do it . They t o o ~h ~ ""··' ''0n and the bes t they he.d with the Feebies c o u l d ~ 1 t l ay th reeshot c .

"-' 111 a man so how could he do i t ? He -...ras jus t a patsy .

Do yc.,, Lhink i t was Lee tha t was in your off ice?

I don' L th ink, I nmr t ha t o

\-That 1'-' -:> ib le connect ion do you th ink he mieht have had , as your

re.:'o1·L•. · ::; said those t lgay kids" he came in -with 7

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Q. Has u , ever any que s t ions t ha t Lee was on the "gay" s ide?

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- own . I don t bel ieve the boy was gay .

Hov :al . t any inf luence or pre ssure br oue;ht to b ~ a r on you fro::-t outs ideth e vr . ' t r y o r th i s so ca l led plo t or anythinc of t h c ~ e o ti1c r as s as s i ns ,

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1 '· r::3 r anything f rom thera?

We l l , 1· t 1 s put it thj_s way, I pro.c t j c cd i n t e n1a t iona l laH a lone t:ir..': .

I l:n••'.I . •· w:1y around . I kno·.t w1-:-, t I have to do -...:hen I l:o.vc to f.o i :. .f n ,. • · 1 t · L t l t . t l- J::; <• Jl .o or •.rn::t ever · wy ·:1c.::.·c 1s , l t: ~ ~ ; ~ of

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a i·n 1 t even ~ o : i n : . ; to ec: t th:t t close: . f the act ion i s North , I a: o1 co:i.ng

t,Tes t . Hell , l e t me put it to y ou th i s vay , it i s o. f an tas t i c strar:[;e

sor t of c i rcwnstances . I don ' t th ink t h i s thing v:J.s plotted. . I think

t he \ hole th ing happened •rl thin 3G or 73 hours a t the mo s t . .t-los t

p robably 36 hours .

I f we ever open up the i nves t iea t ion again on s o n ~ e nationa l l y rec oo1izedor governmen ta l plane , wil l you t es t i fy before a new inve s t i gat i on?

I ve got the t a l l e s t memory in the world . I draw out about a minute .

Tna t 1 s not \ hat i s going to clo it . 'Ihcy d.one did >That they have to do

and the only people no t sa i s f i cd are h i s t o r ians , they '\-iu.nt to doct:.: ent

everything and. they couldn ' t care l e s s who gets stepped on or what .

They are l ookinG for th e Holy Gra il and i f they can f ind it God Bless

them . vfuat aye they going to do with it when they find. i t ? ~ ~ e y l e t

Pandora out of the box and there i s no way to put it back in . All you

c an get i s conjecture .

Tne r ea l ans·.rers are , aside from the f }J.Y who pulled the trit:;e;er not"12-n

could t e l l you tha t . But I th ink what everybody i s tic}:ed of f a t i s the

way in • ~ h i c h a ll t h i s mass of information '- a S ass imulated .

I t i s l ike def in in3 an elephan t . Arou.."ld on the bayou , v ~ h e n I was a k i d ,

th ey to ld us a l i t t l e st0:ry . Tney took four blind to a zoo, o:J.e

grabbed an e l e p ~ a n t by the t r u P ~ , and said. I knori \ hat he i s l i k e . He ' s

l i k e a s r k ~ k ~ o t h e r one grabbed the elephant by the l eg and said he ' s

like a t r ee1

one walked in to his bel ly and said you t>.ro ca t s are cr:1zy

h e 1 s l ike the wall . One grabbed him by the t--:J.il and said , No , he ' s li l-2

a r ope . They a l l argued loud and long about what a n e lephan t i s out

th e y only got one par t of it . P ~ d tha t i s the p r o ~ l c m with the Wa r ren

Repor t . Nobod.y wil l go d.e ep enoush , fa r enougn c:.nd s tron ;; enough to

t ake the en t i r e concept and noboiy i s i n t ellige n t e n o u y ~ or c lever

enough to sor t fTom say Poin t A to Point C with the varying factors tha t

go in and out of, because th e y do not possess the necessary ins t inc t s

and t r a in ing to take a ll of the pieces and put them to ge t he r . Tnat ' s

wha t s vrong \r i th the 1-larre n Report , tha t the Fe ebies did.n 1 t run t h i s

par t icul a r lee.d out or poor people tha t ta lk ed to Ruby, they aye a l l

d ~ ~ d by ~ n g e c i r c u ~ s t a n c e t h i s or t ha t , and the r ~ a l issues in the

thine; get lo s t in the mass of the test imony. You don ' t even have a

decent medica l r eport because the f e .:)..lmi did a t racheoto:::y >thenevcT they

b rough him in . The Big ~ ~ i e f w ~ s dead whcn'the f i r s t shot h i t h L ~ .T'ney d: .dn ' t have to pop him a n ~ o r e school ,.,as out . But nobody }:novs

which \my the bu l le t we nt , North, South, E': st or 'de s t . Did it co;;:e

from Oswald 1 s windoH? Actually , I h a ve reason to be l i eve there \re reth ree plac es , and tha t t h e r vere t•To assass i ns and a dtl i.rr.y , and co.ll

they cau;:;.'-lt \ 3.S \.Tho.t th ey we re supposed t o catch. Tl'le dw abbell. T:1.e

two r ea l people , the h i t and the follovr up h i t . You can ' t l a y three

shots the w=.. y they say they d: .d, but you ca n f igure As s2.ss in A - Po·..r -Assass in B - Pov - and · As snss in A - Po •,., - and you ' ve ~ o t th ree shots .

Nobody c<1n t ell the di rec t i on the s e shots c:-..m from . And a l l you ha ve to

do i s p l <Crlt someth :i.n[; in a r c non ' s mind f ' . .ld i f he i s a n :: .lle;:::;c(1 i t ne s sh e ' l l . se i ze on it Elnd go up sD..y it t rud , and th ey don ' t s cp:n -a.te

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an_ you have so:nc t ime, come en d.o ·.;n , \ r c ll write it.

We· j us t m i ~ h t take you up on tha t .

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Q. J im Garrison has not ta lked to you yet in reference to t h i s -; nvecoti . t . ; ...

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A. I IITOuld say 11No cor:.:nent11 • 'I ne boy i s a p e r son:tl fr iend of mine) h-= i s

in te llie;ent , he ' s an exceptional at torney . He ' s courageous. He c all

him the 11 big giant 11 dmm here. He can handle himsel f , I d j us t r a t e rpass .

Q. Again , th ar>.k s very much .

A. A llri8fltee.

Q. I t has been a p l easure . Goodbye nov •

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FROM : Mr. w. A. Br_ nigan 1 Mr.

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SUBJ ECT< ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT I 1 . .

JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY Al'f i . f tlOb T Ofl C01tUTQ'f 1

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, NOVEMBER 22, 1963, ~ I I U U N C ~ - A s ~ . r & ( u · 17 .. , ,

\ DALLAS, TEXAS ' i J A T J ; ~ : . f . J . ~ / J ~ ~ ( j _ ; _ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~Dean Andrews, New Orleans a t t o r ~ ~ informed our

New Orleans Off ice shor t ly fo l lowing assass ina t ion ofPres iden t Kennedy t ha t he had rece ived a telephone c a l l from a

Clay Bertrand 11/23/63 and t ha t Ber t rand requested Andrewsto go to Dal las , Texas ,and defend Lee Harvey Oswald. Andrewsi nd ica ted Oswald had contacted h i s of f i c e on a few occas ions to

ob ta in l ega l se rv ices and was accompanied by Clay B e r ~ r a n d onone o r two occas ions . Inves t iga t ion f a i l e d to subs tan t ia te

Andrews' c la ims and it was determined Andrews was c r i t i c a l l yill and under heavy sedat ion when he supposedly received t he

t e lephone c a l l from Bertrand 11/23 /63 . Andrews then t o ld ourAgents the whole th ing must have been a dream.

New Orleans D i s t r i c t Attorney James c. Garr i son hasa l l eged t h a t Clay Bertrand is i den t i ca l with Clay Shaw, formerDirec to r of the In te rna t iona l Trade Mart in New Orleans.

Garr i son has arres ted Shaw and Shaw is now awai t ing trial on/charge t ha t he conspi red with Lee Harvey Oswald and o t h e r s

to assass ina te Pres ident Kennedy. The indic tment of Shaw wasl a rge ly based upon te s t imony o f Perry Raymond Russo who

ind ica ted he met Oswald, Shaw and David Will iam Ferr i e inF e r r i e ' s apartment in the F a l l of 1963, when t he th ree menp lo t t ed the assass ina t ion of Pres iden t Kennedy., Russo claimedt ha t Shaw was using the name 11Clem Bert rand.

. The Nat ional Broadcas t ing Company (NBC) ca r r i ed aone-hour t e l e v i s ion program on t he evening of 6/19 /67 whichexposed the f raudulent nature of Garr i son ' s inves t iga t ion

of t h ~ ~ s s a s s i n a t i o n . A h igh l igh t of the program occurredwhen nar ra to r Frank McGee repor ted "Clay or Clem Bertranddoes :ex i s t and an : NBC repor te r has seen him. Clem Bertrand

is not h i s r ea l name. I t is a pseudonym used by a homc:1sexua lin New Orleans . ·F6r h i s own pro tec t ion we wi l l not disc losethe r e a l name of the man known a s Cl P. m Bert rand. His r e a l

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Memorandum to Mr. W c. Sul l ivan

RE: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY62-109060

name has been given to the Department of Jus t i ce . He s

not Clay Shaw.

By l e t t e r da ted 6/19/67 t he Department of J us t i c e

informed the Bureau t ha t a conf ident ia l source not connectedwi th NBC , has advised the Department of Jus t i ce t ha t the

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h o m o s ~ x u a l located by N6C in New Orleans who uses tpe pseudonymClem ~ e r t r a n d i s Gene \Davis, a l so known a s Eugene \ Daviso

No iden t i fy ing da ta was furn ished concerning t h i s i nd iv idua l .

l We have reviewed our f i l e s and have determined t h a t1we have a cr imina l i ~ o r m a n t in the New Orleans Off ice whose

name s Eugene C l a i r ~ a v i s . Davis s the owner of Wanda's

Bar, 704 I b e r v i l ~ S t r e e t , New Orleans . This bar s ano to r ious hangout for French Quarte r homosexuals in New Orleans .

Davis s an admit ted homosexual and s fami l i a r with many

homosexuals in the New Orleans French Quar ter .

A Potent ia l Criminal Informant f i l e on Davis wasopened by the New Orleans Office 4/28/60 and he was des igna ted

a cr imina l informant on 10/11/66 (137-7386-3)o Davis hasbeen a very valuable informant in the New Orleans Office and

has furn i shed extremely va luable informat ion over a period ofyears . His informat ion has led to the a r r e s t of a number offug i t i ves and has a l so been of cons iderable va lue in a numberof other impor tant inves t iga t ionso

- - - - The New Orleans Office has repor t ed t ha t Davis wascontac ted 11/23/63 dur ing the FBI i nve s t i ga t i on of the

assass ina t ion of Pres ident Kennedy. On t ha t da te Davis s t a t e d

he possessed no informat ion regarding the assass ina t ion and a l so

advised t ha t he did not know, and had nev e r heard of ,

Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Rubyo

The f i l e s of the New Orleans Office do not show anya l i a s fo r Davis and no informat ion showing Davis ever u t i l i z e dthe name Clem Bert rand.

OBSERVATIONS:

- - - - I t s not known whether our informant , Eugene Cla i rDavis, s i den t i ca l with the i nd iv idua l Gene Davis, a l s o knowna s Eu gene Davis, who uses the pseudonym Clem Bertrandaccording to informat ion furn ished by the Department of J u s t i c e6/19/67 . Inasmuch as Eugene Cla i r Davis s a cr iminal in formantof the New Orleans Off ice , t s be l i eved he should be contac ted

imme d i a t e l y and in f ormed of the NBC program 6/19/67, par t i cu l a r l yt h e por t ion wherein NBC nar ra tor Frank McGe e s ta ted NBC had

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located a homosexual in New Orleans who uses the pseudonym- -- Clem Bert rand, Davis should be asked whether he knows a

New Orleans homosexual who uses the pseudonym Clem Bertra.ndor Clay Bert rand, In the event Davis r ep l i e s in the

nega t ive , he should be asked whether he himsel f has ever usedsuch pseudonym. I t is f e l t tha t such an in terv iew i s the mostd i rec t and appropr ia te way to determine i our informant ,Eugene Cla i r Davis, is the i nd iv idua l located by NBC.

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SAC, NEW ORLEANS {89-69)DATE: 11 /25/ 63

FROM Supvr. PAUL R. ALKER

SUBJECT: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENTJOHN F. KENNEDY, 11/22/63 ,DALLAS, TEXAS

Re: LEE HARVEY OSWALD

On 11/25/ 63 Attorney DEAN ANDREWS, who i s pre sen t lyconf ined to Hotel Dieu, Room 202, with pneumonia, te lephon Lca l l yadvised SA REGIS L. KENNEDY t ha t OSWALD had t a lked to him,da te not known, about ge t t ing a dishonorable d isc harge cha nged .ANDREWS s t a t ed OSWALD was a walk- in c l i en t t h a t he did

nothing about it and doubts t h a t he has any r ecord . ANDR l :WSs t a t ed OSWALD was accompanied by another individua l . ANDRHWS

fu r t h e r advised t h a t on l l / 23 /63 one CLAY BERTRAND, a FrenchQuar te r queer , ca l l ed ANDREWS a nd asked him i f he would under -t ake the defense of OSWALD.

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accompanying OSWALD to ANDREWS' of f i c e and in terv iew BERTRANDfo r any as soc ia t ion he migh t have had with OSWALD as wel l ash i s knowledge o f any o ther assoc ia t es .

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