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1 Gar i shma: Thi s guy cal l ed me when I was l eavi ng.

2 Paul : Okay.

3 Gar i shma: Fi br e Medi a, al l server s shut down, t hese server s

4 shi pped.

5 Paul : Shi pped.

6 Gar i shma: Yeah.

7 Paul : How, t hey had packi ng peopl e wi t h t hem?

8 Gar i shma: No, t hey went down and t hey put f r ont i n car and t hen

9 t hey sai d "oh, t her e i s UPS t her e. Okay, l et ' s shi p i t " - -

10 Paul : Okay.

11 Gar i shma: And t hen t hey act ual l y t hr eat ened me, Paul , t el l me

12 how many copi es of code t her e. I sai d, I j ust submi t t ed you t he

13 one t hat you have. He sai d okay. He i s not your empl oyer , and

14 you ar e f i r ed r i ght now i f you do not t el l us t he t r ut h. Ther e

15 wer e act ual , t hey had f our peopl e, t wo l awyer s.

16 Paul : Okay. And?

17 Gar i shma: And t hen I t ol d t hem, okay, I made t he copy of code

18 on t he Del l worki ng and Toshi ba t hat you had and then we had a

19 pen dr i ve and a bi g dr i ve when Fi bre Medi a was shut t i ng down, we

20 t ook t he back up of t he code on t hat and t wo l apt ops, one was

21 your l apt op, and t he one was t he ot her l apt op and I sai d Anusha

22 made a copy of code on that t oo and the dr i ve and that i s how i t

23 was mai nt ai ned. We di d not do anythi ng el se apar t f r om t hat .

24 Paul : Okay.

25 Gar i shma: And t hen t hey asked me, why di d not you t el l us


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1 bef or e? I sai d I was never asked bef or e, and t hi s i s l i ke, not a

2 par t of my j ob t o do anythi ng l i ke t hat and Paul i s my boss. He

3 sai d f r om Oct ober you ar e our empl oyee. He i s not your boss. I

4 sai d but no one t ol d us anythi ng about t hi s. They wer e act ual l y

5 l i ke on me you know. I r eal l y di d not know what t o do. That i s

6 why I went t he r est r oom f ast , I t ol d t hem I wi l l go t o t he r est

7 r oom and come, I went t here and I cal l ed you i mmedi atel y and

8 t hen t hey [ i ndi scer ni bl e] me.

9 Paul : Gar i shma, when you deci ded t o go f r om your home t o Fi br e

10 Medi a, di d you cal l me? Do you know t hat t hey are not your

11 empl oyer , you know t hat you have not been pai d? I cannot t each

12 you what you are r i ght s are. Ok?

13 Gar i shma: You know, t hey t ol d me Paul , t hey' d say, cal l a

14 si ngl e per son r i ght now. They ar e goi ng t o ei t her f i r e me or

15 t hey ar e t aki ng al l my r i ght s of f , and t hey' r e goi ng t o compl ai n

16 agai nst me.

17 Paul : Compl ai n agai nst you?

18 Gar i shma: They expect , l i ke one si de you t el l me you wi l l f i r e

19 me, one si de t hey t el l me t hat t hey wi l l f i r e me. I do not even

20 know who i s my empl oyer . Who am I wor ki ng f or ? Who shoul d I

21 f ol l ow? I r eal l y do not know.

22 Paul : Gar i shma, when di d I say t hat I wi l l f i r e you?

23 Gar i shma: Thr ee mont hs back Paul , when I coul d not f i x t he

24 agent ' s pr obl em.

25 Paul : Okay, al l r i ght Gar i shma.


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1 Gar i shma: I am so scar ed t hat t hose peopl e si t t i ng r i ght i n

2 f r ont of me - -

3 Paul : Gar i shma, Gar i shma don' t act l i ke t hat . You chose t o go

4 t here wi t hout i nf ormi ng me on your own. You made t hat deci si on

5 on your own. And guess what ? By t omorr ow I wi l l f i nd out

6 exact l y what you have sai d and what you have not sai d, because

7 t hi s has not hi ng t o do wi t h you. I t ol d you t hi s bef or e al so.

8 Thi s has t o do wi t h t hem not payi ng me. They ar e usi ng you. So

9 you got used.

10 Gar i shma: J ust bel i eve me Paul . What ever I - -

11 Paul : How can somebody t hr eat en you i f you deci de t o go by

12 your sel f ? How can somebody cal l me f r om my house and ask t hem

13 t o come t o Fi br e Medi a i f I do not want t o go? How?

14 Gar i shma: They say t hey ar e my empl oyer .

15 Paul : Oh so, t hat ' s why you chose not t o even ask me?

16 Gar i shma: No I di dn' t choose i t . They sai d i f I cont act you

17 al so t hen t hey wi l l do take some act i on agai nst me.

18 Paul : So what al l di d you say? What al l di d t hey ask? What

19 al l di d t hey di d you say? You j ust came home now?

20 Gar i shma: I j ust r eached home and sai d t hey were i n Gr een Lever

21 Resor t s. They sai d t hey had t o go t o 33r d, and t hey wer e i n

22 t r ai n wi t h me t i l l J our nal Squar e.

23 Paul : Okay.

24 Gar i shma: And f r om t here, t he next st op was my house st op, so I

25 came t o my house and I asked them t o pi ck me up.


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1 Paul : Okay so basi cal l y what al l di d t hey ask you?

2 Gar i shma: When I went t her e, t hey wer e t oo much aski ng about

3 how t o code i s f i r st ? They f i r st asked me how ever yt hi ng wor ks

4 and what i s t he physi cal envi r onment and ever yt hi ng. So I

5 expl ai ned t hem t hi s i s our Fi br e Medi a i s i n al l t he ser ver s,

6 al l t hi s [ i ndi scer ni bl e] much of t hi s and wer e t hese ar e t he

7 cust omer f aci ng ser ver s. I expl ai ned t hem ever yt hi ng. Then

8 t hey asked me okay so what i s t her e i n your of f i ce? I sai d we

9 have exchange ser ver s i n of f i ce. We have domai n cont r ol l er and

10 t hr ee mi scel l aneous ser ver s, whi ch we never l og i n. I t ol d t hem

11 al l t he physi cal set up and ever yt hi ng. Then t hey t el l me,

12 okay, t el l me about t he code. How di d you work on t he code?

13 How di d you do t hat? Then t hey asked al l t he st uf f . Then t hey

14 asked how many copi es you made? I sai d t hat t he one t hat you

15 had. He sai d t el l me t he t r ut h, ot her wi se we can t ake act i on

16 agai nst you. They were t hr eat eni ng me wi t h anyt hi ng.

17 Paul : Okay and t hen?

18 Gar i shma: Then I t ol d t hem t he copi es we made.

19 Paul : What el se di d t hey ask?

20 Gar i shma: Then nothi ng. Then t hey t ook me t o Fi br e Medi a, t hen

21 al l t he ser ver s wer e t aken down. Fi r st t hey went t o al l t he

22 ser ver s, t hen t hey deci ded al l t he ser ver s can go down.

23 Paul : Okay.

24 Gar i shma: Once t he ser ver s were down t hen t hey saw t he. . . .

25 Paul : So t hat happened around 1: 00 r i ght ?


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1 Gar i shma: No, no when I cal l ed you r i ght , t hat t i me I was

2 ar ound i n Fi br e Medi a.

3 Paul : And bef or e t hat f r om 9: 00 t o 3: 00, wher e wer e you?

4 Gar i shma: I went t her e t o meet t hem near t he pl ace, t her e i s

5 t he hot el t her e, i n near Exchange Pl ace st at i on, t her e i s a

6 hotel . Ther e I met t hem.

7 Paul : Di d t hey ask anyt hi ng about Denni s?

8 Gar i shma: No t hey di d not ask me anyt hi ng about Denni s.

9 Paul : So not a si ngl e quest i on about Denni s?

10 Gar i shma: No t hey di d not ask me anyt hi ng about t hat .

11 Paul : Okay. What el se di d t hey ask?

12 Gar i shma: They asked me do you know i f t her e ar e any ot her

13 copi es of code. I sai d, t hi s i s t he onl y t hi ng I know, and I

14 don' t know anyt hi ng el se apar t f r om t hi s.

15 Paul : Okay.

16 Gar i shma: Then t hey took me t o Fi br e Medi a where t he whol e

17 server t hi ng was done, t hey wer e l oggi ng i n t o ever y si ngl e

18 ser ver and act ual l y seei ng what i s t her e and t hen swi t chi ng i t

19 o f f .

20 Paul : Okay.

21 Gar i shma: And t hen even t hey di d t he same t hi ng wi t h t he r ack

22 act ual l y wi t h a scr ewdr i ver t hey r emoved t he whol e f an arr ay and

23 t ook i t .

24 Paul : Oh, t he f an ar r ay t hey t ook?

25 Gar i shma: Yeah.


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1 Paul : Okay.

2 Gar i shma: And t hey br ought al l t he physi cal server s down, l i ke

3 t hey shut down everyt hi ng even removed the power cabl e.

4 Paul : Okay. Yeah t hey ar e t aki ng ever yt hi ng wi t h t hem. Okay.

5 So how di d t hey end wi t h you? What di d t hey say? Don' t cal l

6 Paul ?

7 Gar i shma: Yeah t hey sai d don' t even t r y t al k t o hi m and don' t

8 even do anyt hi ng t omor r ow, t hey want me t o go t o Fi br e Medi a

9 agai n.

10 Paul : Okay t hen.

11 Gar i shma: Then I sai d okay I wi l l be t her e.

12 Paul : Have you been pai d?

13 Gar i shma: No.

14 Paul : Do you know your r i ght s as a per son? Can anybody j ust

15 t hr eat en you and you j ust st ar t cr yi ng? I cannot hel p you

16 Gar i shma. I t ' s pat het i c.

17 Gar i shma: But t hey sai d t hey woul d f i l e a case on me because I

18 am t hei r empl oyee and I am not gi vi ng t hem t he act ual

19 i nf or mat i on.

20 Paul : Okay. So do what you have t o do. Hol d on, st ay on t he

21 l i ne. Do you know t hey ar e consul t ant s? Hol d on st ay on t he

22 l i ne. Hey Davi d.

23 Davi d: Hi Paul .

24 Paul : Hey, so I have an empl oyee t hat i s cr yi ng out of her

25 mi nd, and I do not know what I say to her . She sai d she was


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1 t hr eat ened, t hat she wi l l be f i r ed r i ght t hen and t her e i f she

2 does not cooper at e, i f she cal l s me she wi l l be f i r ed. She i s

3 not my empl oyee si nce Oct ober . She i s t hei r empl oyee si nce

4 Oct ober . Do you want t o conf er ence and t al k t o her? Hel l o

5 Davi d?

6 Davi d: Hi , sor r y.

7 Paul : Hey I coul d not t al k t o Al ber t because he was st i l l wi t h

8 t he i nvest or s.

9 Davi d: Okay.

10 Paul : So I have an empl oyee on t he other l i ne, my ex- empl oyee

11 on t he ot her l i ne and she i s cr yi ng out of her br ai n because she

12 j ust l ef t Rober t , and Rober t basi cal l y t ol d her t hat she wi l l be

13 f i r ed t hat ver y second i f she t al ks t o me or i f she t r i es t o do

14 anyt hi ng. He sai d, t el l me how many copi es of t he code were

15 made, and i f you l i e, you wi l l be f i r ed r i ght now. I f you don' t

16 t el l us exact l y how many copi es were made. They unscr ewed al l

17 t he ser ver s and put t hem i n UPS.

18 Davi d: Unscr ewed al l whi ch ser ver s?

19 Paul : Fr om Fi br e Medi a. Thi s i s what she i s t el l i ng me. I

20 don' t car e Davi d i f t hat i t i s what t hey want ed t o do. I had

21 sai d t hat you shoul d t el l me. I f t hat i s what you want t o do I

22 woul d have hel ped you organi se i t .

23 Davi d: I ' m goi ng t o cal l Rober t . I ' l l cal l you back.

24 Paul : I am goi ng t o have t hi s gi r l f i l e a compl ai nt t omor r ow

25 wi t h DOL. Thi s i s not f ai r what he di d wi t h her .


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1 Davi d: Why woul d t hey be aski ng her t hese quest i ons?

2 Paul : I don' t know. She i s cr yi ng. You want t o hear her ?

3 Davi d: No, t hi s i s why I di d not want t o be i nvol ved i n any of

4 t hi s. I can' t get anyt hi ng done!

5 Paul : She cannot even st op cr yi ng. She i s l i ke cr yi ng. She

6 goes I am scar ed. I am on an H1. She goes, Paul , you do not

7 underst and how much t hey were t hreat eni ng. There were f our guys

8 on t op of me. They wer e l i ke scr eami ng on t op of t hei r l ungs

9 t hat i f you even cal l Paul we wi l l f i r e you r i ght t hen - -

10 Davi d: You know what Paul , what ever Rober t i s, I am sur e t her e

11 ar en' t f our guys scr eami ng. That cannot , I don' t bel i eve t hat

12 f or one second.

13 Paul : I don' t know. Thi s i s what she i s sayi ng Davi d.

14 Davi d: I know, but t hat , I ' m sur e some of t hat ' s t r ue. I don' t

15 t hi nk t hey' d go i n scr eami ng at some woman at t he top of t hei r

16 l ungs. That ' s not r eal i st i c. I mean, wasn' t Al t her e? Why

17 don' t you ask Al ?

18 Paul : Davi d, I am so embar r assed t hat I don' t even want t o cal l

19 anyone. Thi s i s so embar r assi ng I cannot even t el l you.

20 Davi d: [ i ndi scer ni bl e] Wasn' t Al t her e? Al can pr obabl y gi ve

21 you a sane r epor t . Bef or e I cal l Rober t , I ' d l i ke t o know what

22 Al says.

23 Paul : Okay I wi l l cal l you back.

24 Davi d: Can you cal l me back?

25 Paul : Yeah. Okay.


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1 Davi d: I am goi ng t o do about t hi s, but I want t o - -

2 Paul : Okay.

3 Davi d: Okay.

4 Paul : Hey, Gar i shma?

5 Gar i shma: Yes Paul ?

6 Paul : Her e' s what I want you t o do. I want you t o honest l y

7 wr i t e ever yt hi ng down, how t hi s happened, how t hey cal l ed you,

8 whether t hi s was done a day bef ore you don' t have to be af r ai d.

9 You need t o be t r ut hf ul . Okay? Because t hi s i s not goi ng t o

10 af f ect you. Thi s i s goi ng t o af f ect me. They ar e goi ng t o

11 bl ock my $5 mi l l i on. Thi s has not hi ng t o do wi t h you. I was

12 t r yi ng t o t el l you l ong bef or e when you guys di d not downl oad

13 one pi ece of t he code I t ol d you t hat t hey wer e goi ng t o t hi nk

14 t hat I di d not pur posef ul l y gi ve t hem t hat .

15 Gar i shma: But we di d ever ythi ng possi bl e - -

16 Paul : I t does not mat t er whether , I want you t o document t he

17 whol e i nci dent , i ncl udi ng how you f el t and what di d t hey

18 t hr eat en you wi t h and under t hose ci r cumst ances what you sai d

19 and what you di d and don' t go t o Fi bre Medi a t omor r ow, come t o

20 t he of f i ce tomor r ow.

21 Gar i shma: Okay.

22 Paul : You don' t have t o go and l i st en t he peopl e t hat ar e

23 t hr eateni ng you okay? They are consul t ant s. They don' t wor k

24 f or t hat company. They ar e consul t ant s. You, nobody i s goi ng

25 t o gi ve you sympat hy i s somebody uses you, and t hen l at er on you


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1 cr y. They got t hei r obj ect i ve out of you. I t shoul d have been

2 your r i ght t o say I am not answer abl e t o you, and even i f you

3 t hi nk I am answer abl e t o you, show me somebody, have somebody

4 t al k t o me who knows. You know f r om day 1 t hat t hey are

5 consul t ant s. Why woul d you t al k t o a consul t ant ?

6 Gar i shma: But i t was Rober t and he shoul d - -

7 Paul : Rober t i s a consul t ant .

8 Gar i shma: I di dn' t know he i s a consul t ant Paul . He t ol d me. . .

9 Paul : I t ol d you he i s a consul t ant ! How do you mean you di d

10 not know he i s a consul t ant ?

11 Gar i shma: You t ol d me about Lar r y Forbes.

12 Paul : I t ol d you Rober t , Lar r y, Ed al l ar e consul t ant s hi r ed by

13 West er n. I am st i l l t he owner of t he company! Ti l l t hey pay

14 me! But i t ' s okay Gar i shma no body can t each you your own

15 r i ght s and you can say what ever comes t o your head now. I want

16 you t o document exact l y what he sai d t o you, how you f el t , how

17 t hr eatened you f el t , and si nce you are on H1 t hen t hat ' s why you

18 f eel more vul nerabl e when peopl e say t hese thi ngs t o you and you

19 are scared out of your mi nd and t hey coul d see that you are

20 scared out of your mi nd and t hey st i l l kept t hr eat eni ng you

21 every second word out of t hei r mi nd, mout h was t o t hr eat en you

22 wi t h your j ob. Document t hat and send me t hat emai l on my yahoo

23 account .


25 Paul : You under st and what I am aski ng you, r i ght ?


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1 Gar i shma: Yeah.

2 Paul : When di d t hey ask you t o come t o Fi bre Medi a?

3 Gar i shma: Today.

4 Paul : Was i t t oday or was i t yest er day?

5 Gar i shma: No, t oday. Yest er day I di dn' t speak al so wi t h t hem.

6 Paul : So t oday at what t i me di d t hey cal l you?

7 Gar i shma: About mor ni ng I woul d say bet ween 8. 30, somewher e

8 8. 30 and t hen t hat ' s when I l eave f or of f i ce.

9 Paul : So bet ween 8. 30 and 9 t hen why di d you wr i t e you are

10 goi ng t o t he doct or ' s of f i ce?

11 Gar i shma: Because t hat i s what I was t ol d Paul .

12 Paul : To say?

13 Gar i shma: Yeah ot herwi se why do you t hi nk I am so st upi d? I

14 usual l y i f I am not wel l Paul I l et you know at 8: 30 f r om my

15 yahoo, f r om my comput er . I sent t hi s f r om my phone so I t hought

16 you mi ght underst and thi s.

17 Paul : Okay so wr i t e down t he whol e t hi ng. Send i t on my yahoo

18 account and t hen cal l me back when you f i ni sh. Nothi ng i s goi ng

19 t o happen. Don' t worr y about i t . Okay? J ust document i t

20 pr oper l y and I wi l l show you what r i ght s ar e. Wer e you st andi ng

21 t her e when I scr eamed at hi m? When I scr eamed at Rober t . You

22 wer e not t her e when I scr eamed at hi m?

23 Gar i shma: I j ust hear d once wi t h Kei t h.

24 Paul : What was he speaki ng t o Kei t h?

25 Gar i shma: No not Kei t h. You ar e t al ki ng, t el l i ng me about when


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1 you yel l ed at Kei t h r i ght ?

2 Paul : No, no, no. Today I yel l ed at Rober t .

3 Gar i shma: I don' t know al so you spoke t o hi m t oday.

4 Paul : I yel l ed at Rober t . I sai d i f he comes anywher e near t he

5 of f i ce, I wi l l br eak hi s l egs. Al so he was l eavi ng Fi br e Medi a

6 and goi ng out si de and t aki ng my cal l s.

7 Gar i shma: I don' t know. I mean he was i n t here i n some t i me i n

8 bet ween.

9 Paul : Yeah, so he was on t he phone wi t h me. Anyway, wr i t e down

10 ever yt hi ng cl ear l y. I wi l l get hi m r emoved as a consul t ant f r om

11 t omor r ow. Wr i t e down, but t hi s i s al l up t o you what you want

12 t o do. Okay?

13 Gar i shma: Yeah.

14 Paul : Ar e you sure you have not sai d anyt hi ng el se?

15 Gar i shma: What coul d I say Paul - -

16 Paul : I don' t know. I am aski ng you Gar i shma. You choose t o

17 go t her e wi t hout i nf ormi ng me. Nobody made you do t hat . You

18 coul d have deci ded t o go t here but you coul d have t ol d me t hat

19 t hi s i s what i s i t . They ar e t el l i ng me t o do t hi s and what

20 woul d I have sai d? I woul d I sai d go t here and see what t hey

21 ar e sayi ng. J ust keep me i nf or med. That ' s al l I woul d have

22 sai d.

23 Gar i shma: I was so scared t hat I di d not under st and

24 [ i ndi scer ni bl e] what ever t hat came t o my mi nd, I j ust di d t hat .

25 Paul : Okay why don' t you wr i t e down exact l y everyt hi ng? How


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1 t hey cal l ed you, what t hey asked you t o do, how t hey t hr eat ened

2 you, how you f el t . That i s mor e i mpor t ant . I want you t o wr i t e

3 how you f el t . Okay? How you f el t , I want you t o wr i t e t hat .

4 That you ar e on H1. So you ar e ver y vul nerabl e and anybody

5 sayi ng t hi s t o you, t hat you wi l l be f i r ed r i ght t hen and t her e

6 means a l ot t o you because t hat means you wi l l have t o go back

7 t o I ndi a.

8 Gar i shma: Okay.

9 Paul : Wr i t e t hat i n an emai l and send i t t o me. I wi l l t ake

10 car e of i t . Don' t wor r y about i t . And come t o t he East

11 Br unswi ck of f i ce t omor r ow. You don' t have t o t al k t o t hem. You

12 don' t have t o t ake t hei r phone cal l s. You don' t have t o do

13 anythi ng.


15 Paul : You don' t wor k f or t hem. You wor k f or General Heal t h.

16 Your H1 i s wi t h Gener al Heal t h. What i s wr ong wi t h you? Bef or e

17 you get your sel f r aped by some i di ot s t hat ar e j ust sayi ng

18 t hi ngs, j ust check what your r i ght s ar e. You know, Gar i shma i f

19 somebody does not want t o exer ci se t hei r r i ght s, nobody can

20 pr otect t hem. You need t o know what your r i ght s ar e. Nobody,

21 even i f you worked f or t hem. Nobody can do t hi s.

22 Gar i shma: But si r at t hat poi nt i n t i me I di d not even

23 under st and about my r i ght s. I was j ust - -

24 Paul : So why di dn' t you cal l me? Why di dn' t you cal l me? Why

25 di dn' t you cal l Al ?


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1 Gar i shma: Because I coul d not even t hi nk of anythi ng at t hat

2 poi nt i n t i me.

3 Paul : Do you know, as soon as you send me t he emai l ,

4 i mmedi at el y I r epl i ed back sayi ng cal l me. I mmedi at el y I sent .

5 As soon as you sent t he emai l i t r eached my comput er and I hi t

6 r epl y and sai d cal l me at home, and you di dn' t . Then I cal l ed

7 you f i ve t i mes, you di dn' t . You t ol d Al t hat you wi l l cal l me.

8 You t ol d Al t hat you ar e at t he doct or ' s of f i ce.

9 Gar i shma: But si r t hat was I was supposed t o t el l , t hat ' s why I

10 di d t hat , Paul .

11 Paul : Ok, wr i t e down ever ythi ng. Cal l me back once you f i ni sh

12 t he emai l .


14 Paul : I f you don' t want t o do i t , t hat ' s f i ne t oo. I am not

15 f orci ng you t o do t hi s. You want t o wr i t e down t he whol e

16 account , what happened t oday?

17 Gar i shma: Okay. Paul I want t o t al k t o [ ph] Chi nt an, Paul . I

18 am so scar ed r i ght now at t hi s poi nt t hat I am f eel i ng l i ke I am

19 l ost and muj he samaj mei n nahi n aar a ki what I am goi ng t o do?

20 Paul : Okay. So don' t - -

21 Gar i shma: I don' t t r ust you.

22 Paul : No, no, no, you don' t t r ust me. I t ' s okay. I t ' s okay,

23 don' t wr i t e down anythi ng. I don' t want you t o do anythi ng t hat

24 you do not want t o do. I t ' s f i ne.

25 [ END OF RECORDI NG]


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