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FEDERAL BUREAU OF lNVESTIGATlON
5/6/99
On 5/5/99, Victoria OWens, OOB 9/7/83, 5409 WestHinsdale Avenue, Littleton, colorado, was advised of the identityof the interviewinq Agent, and the nature and purpose of theinterview. She was interviewed in the presence of her Mother,Mary Ann Owens, OOB 7/3/57. She provided the followinginformation.
On 4/20/99, Victoria arriVed at school with her brotherat approximately 7:00 a.m. She went to her locker, and then tothe area near the front office where she stood around with herfriends until her first class started. Her last class prior tofirst period lunch was science class. After science class, shewent directly to the cafeteria to first lunch period.
When she arrived at the cafeteria, she first went totable lOC and set her belonqings down. She then went to bUy herlunch, and returned to her table. Candace CUshman was sittinq atthis table with her. She did~t notice any large duffel bags inthe area that caught her attention or looked out of the ordinary.From the far side of the cafeteria she heard someone yelling thatsomeone had been shot. Mr. Sanders and a janitor ran by andyelled for everyone to get down. She and her friend immediatelygot down On the floor under the table. Victoria could noW hear afew gun shots. Next, she heard people yellinq fOr people to runand get out. She ran up the stairs towards the library, andcould hear mOre gun shots. When she reached the top of thestairs, she ran down the math and science hallway with many otherstudents. They ran out of the school, across Pierce, and intoLeawood park. They were in Leawood Park fOr a few minutes, whensome of the teachers started running towards them, which in turncaused the students to run farther into the neighborhood. Sheended up in a student's home, identified as Lindsey Blair.
She didn't know who the Trench Coat Mafia (TCM) were,so she didn't see Harris or Klebold at the school monday ortuesday. After beinq shown photographs of Klebold and Harris,she still maintained that she had not seen either of them onmonday or tuesday.
Although Victoria had heard of the TCM, she never hadinteraction with any of them, nor did she know anyone that had.
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Renee K. Paavilainen, OOB OS/23/1983, 5445 West CarylPlace, Littleton, Colorado, telephone (303)932-0045, wasinterviewed at her home in the presence of her mother, KathyPaavilainen, by Special Agent (SA) Ricky V, Wright regarding theincident that took place on 04(20/1999 at Columbine High School.After being advised as to the identity of the interviewing agentand the nature of the interview, Paavilainen provided thefollowing information,
At approximately 11,10 am, paavilainen got out ofSpanish class, taught by Mr. Brookfield, and went directly fromthe foreign language department to the cafeteria. Paavilainenset her bookbag at the cafeteria table (marked E on~agram ~
sketch), and went~o get her lunch, Jasmine Schell, Sarah Sales,and Amber Dickson were still seated at the table marked E, whenPaavilainen went to get lunch. Sarah Brown-was standi~ onPaavilainen's left in the serving line and David Mesch wasstanding on Paavilainen's right,
While standing in line, Paavilainen saw the students inthe cafeteria get down under their tables. Paavilainen remainedstanding even after everyone started yelli~g to get down.Paavilainen recalls that Matt Katzenmeier/was one of the st~dentstelling people to get down. Paavilainen could hear poppingnoises outside. Alter a couple of minutes, everyone startedrunning and Paavilainen, Mesch, Brown, Dusty Hoffsch.~eider, andRyan Deatherage ran in a rOom behind the serving line an the eastend of the cafeteria~ They could still see into the cafeteriafrom the room and could see students running up the stairs, intothe auditorium, and into the bathrooms.
While people were fleeing} Paavilainen thought she saw.through a window in the room, one of the gunmen run east by theserving line. He was short, had brawn hair, and was wearing ablack jacket. He was not wearing a mask or hat. FromPaavilainen's ~~gle, she could not tell if the jacket was long.Paavilainen did not see anything in his hands and did notrecognize him. Paavilainen thought he was firing while running.Paavilainen thinks that Sarah Brown also saw the gunman throughthe window. After about a minute in the room, Paavilainen andthe other students in the rOOm ran in the back door of the
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auditorium. Paavilainen went through the auditorium and out thenortheast door. When she came out the auditorium into the mainhall, she could hear shots on the other side of a set of doubledoors, which divided the main hall just west of the auditoriumexit. i?aavilainen ran east down the main hall and saw same gymstudents coming from the direction of the gymnasium into the mainhall. Paavilainen recognized one of the students as Mike Doyle.Paavilainen continued down the main hall and turned north downthe hall by the counseling center. Paavilainen passed DavidMesch's mom, who workS in the student offices. She was directingstudents by her to the exit at the end of the hall. Paavilainendid nat notice if the student offices were shot up when she ranby. Once outside. Paavilainen ran around the tennis courts andthen to Clement Park.
i?aavilainen was in ehe cafeteria ehird period forapproximately 10 minutes to see her sister, Jenny Paavilainen.~Jenny i?aavilainen was sitting ae table T on ehe diagram sketchand their brother, Mike Paavilainen was at table E. Jenny andMike Paavilainen were not in the cafeteria during lunch.Paavilainen estimates that there were 50 students in thecafeteria thi~d period. Paavilainen does not remember seeing anylarge duffle bags sitting in the cafeteria during lunch or thirdperiod. Paavilainen did not know Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold.The only associate of Klebold and Harris that she knows is BrooksBrown. Brown has given no indication to Paavilainen that he knewanything about the shootings.
Paavilainen does net have an Internet screen name. Theday of the shooting, Paavilainen was wearing blue jeans and awhite shirt.
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TEAM FOUR1NTERVIEW GUIDELINEMINIMAL QUESTIONS TOBEASKED
1. Ad youeversee thetwe largeduffel bagsin the cafeleria?
2. Didyouseeanycoe Cmylng or in thepossession of thoseduffel bags, at a previous time ?
3. Did youseeEricHamsor Dylan Klebold eitheron Monduy ofTuesday? What were theydoing ?Whatdid tIley say ? Were they wid!anyone else?
4. Did youleave anytbing behind intlIeJ::afeleria or anywhere else in theschool?
5. Who were youwith in the cafeleria? Where were yousitting?
6. Did yousee or talk toanyof the Trench CoatMalia members allMOllday? Tuesday? Howabout theprior week orwee1<elld ?
Iv< you heardanything fromanybody elseaboutother suspeets, bomb maIciDg, pn buying, ell:. ?
8. What wereyouwearing? Didyouhavea backpaok ? Whatdid it lookIlke andI or havein it ?
9. Howdid you leave thecafeteria or the building? What were meevents tlllII madeyou leave?
10. What time did you. enter the cafeteria ? Where did you comefrom (prior tothe cafeleria) ?
11. Have themmarkwhere they were silting, their routeaut of the building and woo theywere with (ifknown) ?
12. Can you provide any further information on the members of the Trench COal Malia?
13. Ask the parents if thekids havetoldthem anything else? Different?
JEFFERSON COUllTY DUTRICT ATT01l.IIBT' S OP'P'ICB
SUPPLEMENTAL llJijPO!!.'!'
COLOMElNE HIGH SCHOOLDate, 6/1/99CONTROL NUMBER: 3744
Docket NUIlll:ler:
FBIn 174A-DN-S7419Investigator: Vondenkamp
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On 6/1/99 I contacted 16 year old ellS student Renee Paavilainen ather home phone number of 303-932-0045. I advised Renee I needed toclarify some of the information she gave during her originalinterview with FBI agent Ricky Wright on 5/14/99 regarding theColumbine shooting. Renee agreed to speak with me.
I asked Renee about the person she saw ",.nning towards the insidecafeteria steps after most of the students had evacuated the area on4/20. She estimated the time to be around 11:30am when she was
hiding in the kitchen cafeteria behind the serving line with 4 otherstudents. She was hearing "pop, pop, pop' noises, which she believedwas gunfire coming from the west side of the cafeteria. She believedthe noises were outside, but could not be sure.
As she sat in the kitchen hiding, she witnesses a lone white studentrunning towards the inside stairs in the cafeteria about 5-7 feetaway from her. The student was wearing a black jacket, unknown if itwas open or zipped up, or if it had a hood, and the length of thisjacket was unknown. The serving line countertop blocked a portion ofher view. The student had ear length brown hair, no hat. Shebelieved he was about 5' 6" tall. She did not see this studentcarrying any type of a weapon, as she did not see his hands. She
originally told Agent Wright that she believed the student was firinga weapon while running. Renee believed this because the pop, pop,
noise became louder as the student ran by them towards the sceps.She only saw this student for a second as he quiCkly ran by, and at
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no time did the student look towards her.
him.
Renee did not recognize
Renee recalled that her friend, Sarah Brown who was hiding next to
her said "d.i.d you see that". They believed based on the noise thatthe student was firing a weapon. Renee believes that Sarah has been
interviewed by Investigators.
Renee Paavilainen5445 w. Cartl PlaceLittleton, Co.303-932-0045.
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_<>t_..... 5/6/"On 5/6/99, Daniel Palme~er, DOB 6/30/99, 6293 Wes~
caley Avenue, Littleton, Colorado, was advised of the identity ofthe interviewing Aqent, and the nature and purpose ot theinterview. He was interviewed in the presence of his Mother,Kimberlee Palmetar, DOB 7/19/55. He provided the followinginformation.
On 4/20/99, Daniel arrived at Columbine High School atapprolCUlately allO a.m. He went ee his locker, and then to hisfirst olass, which was computer creativity. His last olass priorto first lunch period was biology. Bioloqy let ou~ atapproximately 11:10 a.m., and be then went directly to firstperiod lunch. He bouqht his lunch and sat at table W. ThefOllowing individuals were also seated at this table with Daniel.
1. Aa>:on Brown V2. Brian Ra~~3. Matt Depew ./>I • Adam Sands ./5. Brian Soderberg ...-6. David Smith v'7. Mike Lavan
Daniel at quickly, and was sitting talking with his friends, whenhe saw several people along the window saau on the wes~ side ofthe cafeteria stand up and look out the windows. He looked outand saw and individual dressed in a blaCk trench coat, blaCk skimask, approximately 6'0"-6'2" poin~ a sho~qun at stUdent near theou~side stairs and subsequently shoot the student. This occurrednot DlOre than 10-15 feet from where Daniel was sittinq. Ha thenheard a teacher yel11nq "get down". He 90t down, and begancraWling towards the elevator. He crawled the entire way to theelevators, and entered the elevator. The elevator ascended, andopened up near the library, but when the doors opened, there wassmoke in the hallway, so none of the students 'lot off theelevator. The elevator went back down to the cafeteria, and heexited. From the time he beqan crawling, he was hearing gunshots. Hart he ran into the aUditorium, and both 1(>:. AndresJr.and Sr. were there. He could hsar shots and explosions fromthe aree of the l1l:>>:ary. A janitor was also in the auditorium,and after about ten minutes, he opened the door, and the studentsall ran down the foreiqn language hallway, and exited the
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building. A large group of student.s C7:0ssed Pierce, and intoLeawood pa:l;'k. He was in the park approximately ten minutes, andthen went into a student's h01ll8. He identified this student asLindsey Blair.
Deniel didn't see either Harris or Xlebold on monday ortuesday. Daniel was part of a fantasy base.ball leaque. This wasa pretend baseball leaque, in which sOlIe ColUDll:line stuc!entsplayed l:oa11 games, and traded basel:lall players over the computer.Dylan Klebold was also a part of this league. On a fewocoaisions, Daniel reoently spoke to Xlebold on the telephoneaI:oout 'trading" a base.ball player. lie never socialiZed withXl.bold nor talked about anything other than fantsy baseball.Daniel never talked to him at school or socialized with him. Astudent named Chad Loughlin set up the fantasy baseball league.
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04-27-99
99-7625
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Narrative Re Controi number 1020
On 04-26-99 contact was made with Stephanie Panslni, (09-20-1983), at her residence at 6654 W GeddesAve, Littleton, CO, #303-979-6021
Pansini advised being assigned to 1" lunch (1115-1145\, and an 04-17-1999 had arrived in the lunchroomat approximately 1120 and bought a hot lunoh She was seated at table 'DO' (near the condiment table), asindicated on the 04-22-1999 sketch by SIA DiRito. Present at her table were, 1. Laurel Salerno; 2. ErinFitzgerald, 3 Meagan Steckley; 4, Shelley Jenkins; 5. Elizabeth Kwernlaland. She noted silting atgenerally the same table every day, with the same friends.
She firsl became aware of problems at the school, when an adult male carrying a portable radio ran Intothe lunchroom from the area of the south coors bellingeveryone to 'get down under the tables". She did notknow what the problem was until she saw a person wearing a long black coat running outside the southwindows, and she heard what she believed to be gun shots. Students began rJnning In waves from thelunchroom up the stairs towards the library aM she followed, eventually entering the auditorium and exilingthe north door and running into the park and continued north away from the school. She did not confrontMunmen as she exited the school.
Wto exiting the lunchroom she saw no suspicious activity near her table, and she saw neither Identifiedgunman In the lunchroom. He noticed no suspicious bags or other items near her table
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PARK, MONEITE
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PROGRESS REPORTCHSINCIDENT/CONTROl aON1033TYPED BYlACKLYN GEE{ACSO}
On 042999, lhis Investigator oootaeted • subjectidcmilled as:
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Mo.."" is • school socW worker at CHSand was reponed to haveilIfornWioo oa We "TreuclI CoatMati." ('reM). MollClll: advised We foUowlug:
That MoUOIllO mewErio(Ranis) and Dylau(Klellold) onlyas_ .. III CHS and WlIIl aot.""""of !heirinvolvement ill !be TeM.
That MollOllll _ltd toUIlIke it clearthat Ene{Hatrjs) and Oy\an (Klellold) wetllll<l( III !bePicture (School) tllat displayed 1llOttIbors of !he reM.
That Mouotll> didaorb.... any additioDllllllformatioa oa Ene {Hatrls), Dylan (Klebold), or auyOf tll<:it associlltes.
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TEAM FOUR INTERVIEW GUIDELINEMINIMAL QUESTIONS T() BE ASKED
FBI fl74A-Q1o.57419JeHoot 99-7625
2. Didyou see anycoe currying or in thepossession of those duffelbags. at a pnevious time ? ~o
3. Didyou seeEricHams or Dylan K1eboJd eitb« onM<>nday ofTuesday ? What were theydoing? (10 .. r II,.,...,.,Whatdid tIley say? Were tIley wiIhanyoJle else ?
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4. Didyon leave anytbing behind in lhe.cafelelia oranywbere elseinthe school? ",0
5. Who were youwith in lb. cafetetia? Whe;e were you sitting? jJ<l
6. Didyou see or talkto ally of theTteneb Coat Mafia members onMonday? Tuesday? Howabout the ,.:0pnoe weekor_?
Have you beard an'Y!hing from anybody else about other ....p«:1S, bomb 1l1ll1<iDI. gun burin" etA:. ? jJO
t2. Canyou provide anyfurther information onthemembers of theTrench CoatMafia ? ,AJo
J3. Ask theparents if the kids have toldthem an'Y!hing else? Dit'leI1:nl?
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JEFFERSON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
Defendant,Date,Deputy D.A. ,
HARRIS! KLEBOLD
MAY 2., 1999
Docket Numbe!;' ,Case llUml:le!;',Investigator,
99A062
DOYLE. PJ
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FBI CASE 174A DN-S7419
WITNESS CONTROL NUMBER 1429
JCSD CASE 99-7625
Reporcing investigator, P.J. Doyle; is a commissioned peace
officer employed by the District Attorney in the First Judicial
District: serving Jefferson and Gilpin Counties. I am currentlyassigned to assist in interviewing witnesses from Columbine High
SchooL
On April 2.8, 1999 I spoke to 9th grade student Matthew AdamParsons.
DOB, 3-21-84
7845 S. Marshall CourtLittleton, CO
303 973-0876
Father, Fritz Parsons Work, 30) 797-3385
Matt's father was preSent during the interview.
Matt told me the following:
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He was right outside of the cafeteria, sitting on the cement
benches. He heard about 10 bangs, and didn't, at first, think much
of it. He then heard someone screaming and went towards the parking
lot, (See aiagram). He saw a tall person standing on the hill by
the fance. CSae diagram). This person was wearing a black trench
coat. Mate did not notice anything in this personls hands. He said
the guy appeared to be wearing all black. The guy was just standing
there. Matt did not recognize this pe:san. Matt said that he saw a
girl named Ann Marie (unknown last name), who appeared to be shot.
She was bleeding from her stomach. She was screaming that she was
paralyzed and couldn't move.
Matt ran in to the cafeteria. He walked by table E and people
we~e asking wha~ was going on, He heard more shots. A janitor and
Mr. Sanders were ~~ning around telling people to get down. He got
down. Anthony Shoals was behi~d Matt. They crawled to cable K~ and
about 30 seconds later I he heard more shots. Mat-c and Anthony
crawled to the area of tables E,F,G or H and were under one of these
tables for about :5 seconds I and then: crawled to the stairs. Matt::
said cha~ Anthony was still behind Matt. Everybody started ~~shing
towards the stairs. He and Ant.cony did/ too, They turned lefr: (
went down the hall, and out of the doors / across t.he street and
towards the park. He was still wieh Anthony. At the park, he heard
more shots. Lots of kids were scattering through the neighborhood.
Mate and Anthony ended up at Lindsey Blair's house. A bunch of
people were there.
Matt remembered seeing the following people at Lindsey Blair's
house: Li~dsey Daling/ Loren Moul~on and Joe West. He doesn 1 t
remember the others. He was in the hQuse for abut lO minutes. He
went outside and looked for people. He went by a car that had a
radio on and people were gathered aro~~d it. The radio was talking
about the school. Some grown ups were around, and said to go to
Leawood Elementary School. Matt went to Leawood with Heather
Whaling and they stayed there.
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Matt said that his back pack is a green Jansport with a brown
bottom. Jansport is colored in red. In it was a book, a p Lanne r
with a pencil in the spirals. He had a math spiral or a folder, his
social studies stuff and a protractor and compass and a black pen.
Matt said that Dylan lClabold was
that Dylan was pretty nice to Matt.
Matt during soccer and apologized t o
seemed prett.y ncrmaL. He j s had. no
experiences with Dylan.
in his gum class. He said
One time Dylan bashed in to
Matt. Matt said that Dylan
internet, email or video
Matt said that he'd heard of the trench coat mafia from his
brother ( Eric Parsons. Eric had told him that a mafia. couLdn ' t
consist of three people.
Matt said that he hadn' c noticed Dylan lately, but had no t i ced
Dylan in the past wearing a trench coat.
Mat~ aaid that there was another kid he though~ may have been a
meniber of the TCM. He didn t t know this person 1 s name. He is tall
with crooked teeth and wore eye Shadow the first week of school. He
has dark hair, short hair that didn't seem combed. Matt didn't see
this guy en the day of the incident. Eric told Matt that he had
seen this guy the day of the incident at the comic shop en Ken Ca~fl
and Pierce! by the Pizza Hut or Lit~le Ceasars.
Team Four guideline questions are attached to this report.
No further information at this time.
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3. Didyou seeEne Ha..'Tis orDylan Klebcld eitberOQ Monday cfTuemy" Whatwere they doing ':What did they say? Were they W'i.tb anyone else 1 NC
%0 were you with in we :::lfeceria? where were you sitting?
6, Didyou see or talk to <2Cl' of the Trench Coae:vf.afia members onMcnday ? Tuesday 'I How aecue thepriorweek-::Sf weekend '"'
-; Hose you beard :myth.i.ng; :1001 anybody else about other suspects;bomb making, guD buyinCtetc ':;y C
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1~ C.:m you prcvide aayfurther information 00 the JJJe!nbers of the Trench Coat Mafia '},i/('
13 Ask the parents if the kids havetoldthemanytlu.ng else? Different?
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CONTROL Nl,;'MBER • ~2835
CBI CASE :%'MBER- 991'()185
fBI CASE :%'MBER- 4-DN·ji419
JEFFERSON COUNTY SHERIFF'SDEPARTME"', CASE NUMBER - 99·7625
REPORTING AGENT -LINDA R. HOLLOWAY
CBI690 KlPUNGDENVER, COLORADO 80215(303) 239-4218
WJTI.1ESs:ANNMARIE PATRICeADOB 1110 1182ADDRESS: 8320 WEST CALHOCN DRIVE, LlTTI.ETON, COLO 80123PHONE; (303) 933-8479
ACITON TAKEN:
00 M.y 7 .tlUO a,m. the Reporting Agent. Linda R.HOLLOWAY, interviewed A>'1N MARIEPATRICCA whileat me residence of CHRISTINA ROWER. I bad initially been assedto lrllerview Ms.ROW'ER. and learned mac: Ann MarieWl1$ with Chrlstinain thecafeteriaat thescaool at the rime theincident began. Ann Muie bad noe been Interviewed. It was 1eo.1Ied matRlCK WRlGHT had Imnassigned ControlNumber 2835,but b.d not con""'ted heryet Ms.PATRICeAstaredr!lat it wouldbedifficult for anyoneto locate her becauseof a pbonecumbercbeageor someotherrecentstatuschange.
AnnMartePATRlCCA stared that she drove herselt'toschoolOD thatday,parking in the ClementPlU'kparking lot. She went straight to her first: period class. After fourth pericd, she went back to bet cat andthen to the cafeteria. She was wearing a white dress sbirt with a tie, khaki pants and saodals. She sat attable KK(her backpack was" mble LLI. WithCHRISTINA ROWER. SARAH CAIN. SA>RAHHOLTON, CAROLYN u.,';MNG .,,-,'0;1) LAURA VANDERHA.\<1M. TIns is verycloseto the"airs thallead to thesecond floor
Her first knowledge of the incident was when someone yell "get down", She sawMr. SANDERS and ajanitorrunningaround. She was undera table for tess thana mmate whenshe andCHRISTINA RO\VERran up the srairs,downthe upperhallway and outme eastdoors. They ran across Pierceand intO an~ypark. Neithergirl knows anyof the reM. nordid they seeanyof themembers on that or theday before,Theyde "0<know anyone withadoublepo",:edeyebrow
Shealsodid not remember bearing or readingthe 3.tl11ouncernents or the thought for the day Sheonlyusedthe Internet eo get"insranr messages". Shedoes not use thechat lines,
There wasno significanr information gleamedfromthis interview,
She assistedin drawing maps of whereshe was seatedand. bowshe exitedthe building.
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Interview Heeeer Pearce ooBI0714&3Address 6734 W Rowland C~e!e. Linl<ton, CO
Homephone]0)-9;&-1466Sopbomcreal Columbine HighSchool
HeatherPearcewas interviewedon 05·25·99 ~ approx.. 8: ISam at her residence Heathersaidthat she W3$
in scnoo; on iJ4...2.0-99 at the time the- shooting began
Ms Pearcesaidthat she hadFourth Hour Mathclasswah Me Higgms.andher classended at 11 lOam andher FifthHour was free She said that after Mac, classthe ",ent to her lookerand"'",,;>ed olfher hooksand met her mend. Sarah DeBoer in the hallway nearher [ocker Shesaid tba1: they went downstairs and sat
underneath thest,"'case on the stoneb<nch riglnal the bottomof the """..... Ms Pearcesaidtheysometimes sit with Daniells Danford and Angela Nelson. but theysaw theml...,;"g to go SIMko andtheywere goneby the timePearceand DeBoer sal down M3 Pearce said. shethoughta girl named KatiesatdOW1l. with themon the bench She didn't recall Katie's last name,but said she wasshort and her face wasdisfigured. and 'be had somespecial edecasieeclasses
Ms Pearcesaidsheand SarahQe!l<Jer go. up to get ,heir lunenes from the ","",,1 store I asked her wbohad waited on her that day andshe replied,hat ootma1Iy her friend, p1lllIJne Colby did. bur Paulin. got sickand leftearly that day, and she "ido', know the nameof the girl thai waitedon rben. She said thar they guttheir food andwent hackto the benchand sat -. Ms Pearcesaid'be hadjust taken a bite of hersandwichand $he heard someone yelling, "He' s get a gun.he's JO~ a gun" She said that she saw thejanitors- running in different directions with walkie talkies.telling everyone to get doWl\ Ms Pearcesaidsomeof the kids were laughiDg 1askedher wiry sbetoougmtheywere laughing and '$one saidthat theyprobably thOUght It was a Seniorprank
Ms Pearce saidshesaw smokeoutsideof rhedoer of the cafeteria, about the area underneath the windowwhere the kid fellout of the library She stated that there wasa "herd" of peoplerunning up the tnainstaircase from the commons Ms Pearce said that sheandSarahwentbeiund the stairsand rhestone benchaDd then ran into tbe auditorium
Ms Pearce statedthat she andSarah ran up to the tOP of the auditorium and they startedout the doorbytheboysand girlslockerroom Ms Pearcesaid thatshe thougftt she !lesitated fot just a secondor rwe, she saidtlta' she lookedright, toward the emranceandmatn ollie., anddidn't see anything, th"" she lookedleft sedsaw the shooterwithan arm raisedsbootinga handgun towardthe l.ibnuy Ms Pearcesaidthat the shooterwas wearingall black Shesaid that slle doan't rememhet' >eeing IU. laceor anyother color on bim Iasked her if he was wea.ring a trench cce and. she said thal she &dn' t remember+ she only rememberedseeing ail black She said that hehadone or botb arms extended, sbcoting toward the libraryand she hea.rdsounds like, "pop,pop, pop" She said that she was partially blocked by a cement pillar or someotherbarrierbetween the two doorways in the ttallway
Ms Pearcesaid tluu later Sarahtold her thatwhen shegot to thedoor by the-locker roomsthat she(Sarah)had looked to (eft first and Sarah hadseen the shooter andthought he turned lowardS them and shot at themand thai Sarah~_d abulletwhiz by her Ms Pearcesaidat thistime, sheand Sarah became seperated,andshe I.,er learned thatSarah had"'" b""k into the auditorium and bidbeblnd the curtemson the stage
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Ms Pearce said that she ranacross the hallway into the wrestling room and saw rome girls headed to thelockerroomand "lamed themof the shooter Shesaidthat MissMcauiy I'll?> one ofth. teacaers, told herand ten to fifteen othersto hidein the wrestling roombeh1nd a wallor partition She said that Miss McauiyIe!l for 20 or 30 seconds and dunngthat tirue, Ule tight, _ out and lhe lirealaIm went off She ""ld t!lalthe emergency lightscarne on and that 'Miss Mcauly cameback. and toldtf:=n !-O wa.1k quickly Out of theexit She S3J.d they left the wre5tUog room and wcm Into the ~ght room VJd exiled the ncrta door by theweight room Ms Pearcesaid that a student named, Andy, who was an actor in the school play, "Smoke intheRoom", was hetping; other students over the fence by me smoker'spits. Ms Pearcesaid thaI sheSlopped by the basketball '0IlItS and tl>en someone SWledy.1ling and """'Yo.. """ed running iljlain Shesaid that :she saw the third pcbcecar arrive
Ms Puree saidthat she wasoct of the !;thoot within fiveto ten minutesfrom tM:begiMing of the~ingShe saidthat she Ie!llhe school and ran ..to Kevin Starkey' """" by Bowles and Pierce She said thatsomenewsguy let her use his cellphoneSQ shecouldcall berdad Ms Pearce said that she and \trsStarkeywent to the puhlie IibratY, Gran' Ranch. and,hen to Leawood, lookinll tor Kevin Starkeyandhi'COUSins Ms Pearce said she met her dad. at Leawoodand went home
raskedMs Pearce if she knew Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold andshesaid that sheknew Harrisby facebecause heused to hangOUt by her tockerafterFOIl"''' hourand shewouldhaveto "'. him to rrcve awayfrom her locker She saidshethoughthe was wailing forone ofhisfiieluls Ms Pearce said ,he didnoe seeHarris by ,,or 1",,1<e< on 1J4.20·99after FourthHour She said that;he did no, sncw Klebold
I asked Ms Pearce tf ,h. Oed heardlIll}'llUng UllUSU31 since 'he Oed been backto schcct at C!latfield and shesaid that herfriend, ErinWa1ton. said shekn~ oneofmeshooeers andthat heis 00( oneof two, Eric Of
Dylan She said that Erintold her she recognized rom through the window of the scerce room. and that shewas behind,he tables Ms Pearce said ,hat Erin told her tha.t he was a _or named andhewasvery tail, had. acne scars. on hischeeksand shewascerten because be always worea certainhat
Ms P....c. also said that she was fricnds with l'1tuIin<: Colby, and t!lal Pauline " friend'M~
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Ms Pearce said that the school autbotities had taken someother kid into custody (Wet a bombthreat on 05·24-99 at Chatnek;
1 askedMs Pearce: if she had~ baek:~'mck at scboos andshesaidthat it was in her lo<;!<.er Ms Pearcewasshown a diagram of Columbine High Schooland peenedout the routeshe took out of the schoolThe interview wasconcluded
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I hn8 rtIJIId the ~:ttatrrnent and the facts cDntalned therein Me true to the best of my knowledge and belief. Jdo not I1IIIIitItaIn that it contains all (If the facts or detlkil$ 01 f/Je Incident, but only these tects about which I have been-
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ASSOCIATED CASE REPORT NUMBERS:
Jefferson County Sheriffs C,R,: 99-7625FB! Control Number, 174A-DIV-S7419
SUBJECT, PEDERSEN, Denae KirstenDOll: 11/22/826264 west Caley AvenueLittleton, CO,(303) 798·3967FARENTS:Patricia Pedersen
OBSERVATION / INVESTIGATION:
On April 27, 1999 I was assigned to interview Denae Pedersen who is astudent at Columbine High School and may have been in the cafeteria duringthe shootings,
On April 28th at 1045 hours I arrived at 6264 West Caley Avenue tointerview Denae Federsen, venae advised that she is a junior and was inthe area of the cafeteria on April 20th, Ms. Pedersen reported that shewas in the exit hall way, in front of the student store, in the south-easecorner of the cafeteria area. She continued to say that she was startingto walk into the cafeteria to join her friends at a table when Mr. Sanderscame running by and told her to get under the table which she did. Ms,Pedersen advised at first she thought it was a fight but realized it wasmore serious by the way everyone was acting. She advised that a friend ofhers, Brad Pesicko, came running by and ran into another girl knocking themboth to the floor, Denae advised that Brad never acted like that. Whentold to leave she entered the lower level of the auditorium and wentupstairs on the north side of the auditorium to the upper level, As sheapproached the north door of the aUditorium that leads to the north hallshe obe~;ed a group of students who were JUSt opening the door. At thismoment there were gun shots in the north hall and the door was closed, andthe group of students started back to the south auditorium door. As theyapproached the deor there were more gun shoes in the south hall so thegroup went back to the north door and out into the north hall, Shereported that the group of students would run then stop. At this point shefound a friend, Brian Rathbun. and took ahola of him. She said that shetold Brian not to let go of her and they both ran out of the main enteranceacross the teacher parking lot, and into clement park. Denae said that
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they went to Aaron Brown's car an~ drove to Aaron's house. While at theBrown house Aaron'S brother Brook arrive~ hysterical saying he knew whatwas going to happen. Brook reported that juSt minutes before the shootingstarted he encountered Eric Harris, who tol~ him to leave because he likedhim. Denae said that she did cot see who was shooting or anyone with guns.
Denae reported that she has a friend, Evin Onis, (correct spellingunknown) who dresses in gothic fashion but she does not believe he is amember of the Trench Coat Mafia. Denae advised that she does not associatewith the group and does not have contact with its members. Denae advisedthat she had hear~ nothing that would have indicated that there would betrouble at the school on April 20th an~ she could provide no information asto who was making the bombs. She adVi~edthat sh does not personally knoweither Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, or . Denae could provideno further information and the intervi was concluded at 1120 hours.
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On April 28, \999 at 1000hoursI met with Kaci LinPeregoy and her father, D.", Peregoy, at 3301 southReI<! Street (Wes,Metro Fire Rescue Station # (0) in Lakewood, Cotoradc fer the purposeof an interview
KeelLinPeregoyprovided We following iaformadoe about theColumbine High SchoolIccdenr. whicboccurred00 AprJ 20, 1999:
• Kaci was in ceramics class and gotout at the 1t 10a.m, ben She statedthat she metToshaOlsenatber IToslia's) locker immediately afterclass. Shestated thatTosha's locker is eear the main officeKaci staredthat they then walkeddown themainball.past me Library(onmeirnghn and thendowuthe stazrs aad into tilecafeteria. Shethmks thatit tookthemthree to four minutes. She ls not SW'e ifthe !1:15 a.m.. ben had rang 3.I this rime or not She denies seemg anything unusual while walkingdown thebaJJ ro thecafeteria.
,. Kacistatedthat she waswearing a ligbtcolored shirt(shortsleeve) and bluejean over-ails. She searedmat she hada black. sofHlded briefcase, which she left in the cafeteria. In the briefcase washercalculator, math folder and her vocabulary book.
• Kaci staredthat they went to the Rebe! Corner. where they usually sit RebelComer is neartbeStudentsstore(Southof the FoodCan are:]) Theysat ar a roundtableand Kaci faced east She statedthOI Shannon Ryan, Satah Uagerland utl<i Stephame Wujcikow'lti were also there Seethe attacheddiagramfer exact location.
• Mel staredmat Shannon andTosha wentto mevending machines for foodI pop. She believes thatthey went to the machinesnear the stairs:. Kaci stated that Stephanie stood in the food lineat RebelCornerfor Chineserood and Sarah Ungertend stayedat the tablewith ncr She said thatSarahwasfacing west.
• Kaci Stated mat she was at the table for abouttwoof three minutes beforee'f'erything starred to happen.Sbe Stated that peoplest3ttedto gatherat the windows near thewestSide of Rebel Corner ShestatedthaI she thought there may be a "fight or somed1ing' She stated thai: she started to walkover to thewindows andthen she bearda teacher (shebelieves to be Co~h Sanders) yetlr'somecae has a gun"
• Kaci SUitedthat sbe heardabout"five or six 'bccras" and thattheywere"net fast but slow" Shestated thatshe did not see anybody shooting at thartime Kaclwas nor sureif the"booms' weregunfireor if they couldhavebeenexplosions,
• KaciStlted that Stephanie wascloseto thetable.at this rimeand they (Kaci andStephanie) ran out thesouthdoorsof RebelComer She statedma: tnty wentaroundto meeast side,near the phones, andthat therewas"one loudboom"at thattime. SheStatedthat shelookedthrougb the windows into rbeSenior parkinglot and saw a big "puff of blackand brownsmoke" Sbe stated tharshe couldn't tell forsure. btlrdid not tllink. it was comingfromoJcar Thelocation of the smoke is Also on thediagram.
• Kacistated chat she then ran acrossPierceto Leawood ParkwhereshesawLaceyKoch She statedthat her ""d Stephanie tilanfall heme
• KJ.d statedthat she did nor seeanyof me"shooters" at the time of the incident. nor did she seeanything while she entered or exited the cafeteria, She stared thac she did. not see anybody bring inlargebackpacksor duffelbags, Shedid notsee anything resembling a largeduffelbag sittingaroundin the cafeteria,
• In regard, to theT,,"',," Coat Mafia (Tc:vn, Kxi sered that they were "more prevatem las' year" andthat Chris :\1orris was the leaderlast year She 51Z1U~d thatCaris Morris always wore a Green BeretShe staredthat she has not Seen him thisyear
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• Kat! slJlled lbat she"would re""gn1upi<:tun, of Ericand Dylan" but thal sbe"dideceknow theiroames prier to all of thenew. casts" She ',"red that sbe neverbadany conversadon wltb eitherof thetwo "shooters". She,ratedthattheTCM !}'jlically hanS OUt On the stairs between cl..... and at lunch.Shesratedlbat shecouldnOt remember 'fthey wore there the day of tile incidoot(Aplil20. 1999) ornot.
• Kaci statedlbat last year thereweretwogirl, tharhuog outwi<b theTCMand tiley werePaullne(Cn_) andStepbanle{whitercmalel'llihtly heavy), I. Iran Pfaonenstiel, havelooked at thepictures of theTCMandbelie.e thJlt Stepbomo and Pauline maybe in thephotograph. I did nOr shewthe phototo Kaci Peregoy.
• Kacistated <bat she didnot hearanything"unusual" floating arouad tileschool in referenceID "guns,bombsor _,,", Ksci slatedthatshe did not bear the Rehel ~ews Netwotk Thought of the Day,
I gaveKat! LinPeregoyandher fathor ltly busmesscardshouldtheyneedto havea coo""', regarding thisincident. Includedwith t.hls reportis thedi~ thatK.atidrew ber location. entrance into and exit out ofmecafeteria.
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WITNESSES;
Andy Perlmann, doblll-13·827321 South Webster Street
Lirtleton. Colorado 80123(303)972-1981
Dennis RobertPerimann, dob/07-22-52same address as above
Work: Martin Marietta
1303)977-8800
Marilyn Perlmane, dobi08-06-51same address as above
JenniferKary Perlmann. dobJ08-14.80"~ .....e address as above
INVESTIGATION;
Studentat ColumbineHigh School
Swdenrat Universiry of Northem Colorado,in Greeley,Colorado
On 04-29~99. 31 about 1100 bcurs. I responded 7321 South Webster Street, where I contacted witness Andy Perlmenn and his
parents. Dennis and Marilyn Petlmann, I advlsedthe family that f was there to interview witness Andy Perfmana in reference
to the incident at Columbine High School on 04-20-99_
I first showed witness Andy Perlmann a map of the cafeteriaarea at Columbine High Scheel andasked himwhorehe had been
seared. He advised he was seated at table #HH with several of hi' friends. He said he was present with Tyler Berch. Jesse
Friedman, Ian Patrick.Keith Nackerud, Joshua Brinkley.Ashley Pumley, JackieCarol.TIm Vaca, BriannaLurnleu, and a person
he knowsonly as "Breck," WitnessPerlmann said he.arrived in thecafeteria on 04.-20..99, at about 1020hours, and his friends
cameinto the cafeteriaat approximately 1110 hours, Wimess Perlrnann saidhe does nor recall whereany ofhlS friends were
sittingaround the table, and he is not sure ifhe remembered all of thenames thatwere there. He said therewere several people
there. Witnes Pertmann said they were talkingand doingtheir homework together,
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W1IDess Perimannsaid he heard"pops" in the- area: of the cafeteria, unknown if it was outside or inside,and his first thought was
that somebodywas playing a senior prank on the school. witness Perlmann said suddenly he heard somebody yell to get down
to .11 of thepeople in the cafeteria. '0 tileygot undertheir tables. Wimess Perlmann said at this point he heard moreshots. and
he saj~ ever:body butoneperson inthecafeteria was downon thefloor undemeath a table. Hedidnotknow who this one person
wasthat stayedseated at a table.other than to say-it was a maleofstudent age, Witness Perlmann said he heard whathe believed
to be bombsexplodingoutside of the school.and thensomebodysaid."Oet out of here," so he got up with some tiiendsand they
ran up the stairs toward the upper levelof the school. Perlmannsaid he was running, and once arriving at the top of the stairs,
he heard what he estimated to be between 15 to 30 shots. and believedthey were in the cafeteria. Witness Perlmannsaid at the
top of the stairshe turned left and he tan down the hall and said he kept running until he was DUt of the school. He then went
across the street from Columbine High School to Leawood Park. WitnessPerlrnannsaid while he was at the top of the stairs.
he did not hear any noises, any voices. screams, or any other unusual noises coming from the area ofthe Library.
less Perlmannsaid while he was in LeawoodParkwith rome ofbis friends that he was thereapproximately 10to 15minutes,
and then gunshots were heard comingfromthe area of the school. Witness Perlmannsaid he did not know if they werecoming
from inside the scbool or outside the school,nor did he know if the shots were directed :u him or his friends in Leawood Park.
Witness Periraanr said from Leawood Park. after the shots. he left southboundon Pierce. and went to the King Soopers store
at Ccelmine and Pierce where he called his father
I showed witnessPerlrnannphotographs ofthe blue backpackand also oftbe propane tank, Wimess Perlmann said he did not
see eitherof these items in the cafeteria. I asked..imess Perlmannifhe left anythinginsidethe cafeteria.and he 'aid yes.he left
his backpack{blueJanSport) on me tabie where he had put it upon entering the cafeteria, and left it when he ran out.
1asked witnessPerlman!'if'be knewany of ,Ju, studentsthat called themselves the Trench Coat Mafia. He said he didnotknow
any of themby nameuntil this incidenr; however, he knewof Dylan KleboldbecauseKleboldwas very tall (6'03" to 6'04"), and
wouldsee him in 'he hallway from time to time, Hestated Kleboldwasusuallyalone, and he did no! recall seeing himwithany
other people.
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Witness Perlman." also told me thatduring the time periodof January'hroogh Ma) of 1998,he was a classmate of Joe Stair at
ColumbineHigh School in a wood shop class. Witness Perlmann said Stair always wore his trench coat. however. once in the
woodshop class he would take the coatoff so it would not getcaught in an) of the toots. WitnessPerlmann said he recallsthat
Stair wouid come to class with a book that he called."The Devil's Bible." He said Stair also had a patch On his trenchcoat of
the Ace of Spades with a skull on it, and said That Stair had mentioned that he worships the devil, He could not provide any
f""her information about Stair.
Witness Dennis Perlmann and wimess Marilyn Perlmann advised me that their older daughter, witness Jennifer Penrnann.
believesshe had talked to Kleboldin the past; however.she was net sure Wimess Marilyn Perlmannalso said witnessJennifer
Perlmannis famniar with Stair. I lefta businesscard with them,and they said they wouldhave witness Jennifer Perlmann call
mewhen she get the message. ! wasunableto callher due to the factshe is incollegeup in Greeleyat the University of Northern
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l asked witness Andy Periman" ifhe uses the internet. and he said yes. he did. 1as-ked him what his screen name was. and he
said he did OO! havea screen name. His father. witness DennisPerlmann. also said that this was true. and they did not usea chat
line as well.
I left a businesscar-d with witness Andy Perlmannand his parents,and advised them that if they needed some counselingand
wanted to arrange through the JeSO Victim Advocate. '0 call me and I wouldarrange that for them.
DISPOSITlQN: Case remains open. pending further investigation.
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REPORT DATE OFFICEOFmE: ATTORNEY GE1'IERAL CASE NO.May 10,1999 STATE OFCOLORADO 99·7625
TYPEOFREPORT REPORT BY AREAProgress lily, Gary Clyman Jeffmon County
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NATtJllE OFCASECOLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOLI HOMICIDE
INTERVlEW OFLYDIE PERRY (CHS STUDENT/CAFETERIA)
L OnApril16, 1999 JCSD lily DonEs"'l'and I ccntaeed Columbille HIgh S<!lool (CHS)studentLy<llePet1JI (DOll: (1111181), aka "Deebee" Webadj"'t cOlIljll_ an interview ofber brow. RobertPerry,who had 'wed that when he1_of the sctlool ,hootillgs in pregress. hewas concerned aboutthe safetyofbis sistet, We aslo:d the parents. JimaedLydie Perry,forpermissionto~ew their dangl"'"regarrling the evems of April 20, 1999 fun Perrywas presesr during the interview
2, LydiePerrysaidthatshe.-allof her _ed classes al CHS00 April 20. 1999, begimliJ:lg wlm I"hour.aDd condudieg wlth4" bout (mam). wbich eeceo at 11: 10a,m, Afu!rleaving her mathclass, sbestopped bnellyat her 1o<"t, wen,to the ,,'''room aDd then asusual went to the_. til -.wlth herfriends forlunch.
3, Ly<lle statedthat her mend, Jesstca Brown usually arrives", lbe cafeteri. cesoee her, and theysit at <lJeit"uscar table",locJlted closeto the e:<lerlor WIndows. """" <lJe llllddle and in theviciniI)'of <lJe foodline,(Nocafeteria !lOOt planwas avlliloble duringthe inter,;ew1\), her to mad< her 1000000uu), TheoW meoosabe met th"doy, allolwoom were _ were ideIlri1led as Cbrista Hanley, Ale. Maxsh, V"""""lL'lU,Alyssa L'lU, and Patrick Licker.
4, Ly<lle ''''led that ,he hadjust lefttbe tableaDd gut1M into meluochline,when <we'tudim'" roarresunkno",,). ran intutbeca.terell. fromoulSi<Je. yellillg "getdawn" Lydieimtilllly lllought i' was a pnulit,but then thescbooljoniroralse begml yelling to everyone to get down,wIDch she did. She the, n:ponshearing a "bcom" outside thecafeteriawindows, aridwbe:o she lookedOUtside fromher location, sawsmuke oear • p;u:l;ed cor,
S Atthis point, she aDd many other students .... front <lJe cateeda, and sbe, ""OlIljlonied bY NicoleMalidwn. Jennifer Colby, and C1lrista Hanley, ranfor. spaceill. smallarea..... the bathrooms leediIlgto the_rium. A reecher, Mr, Andres (wenring • gray 'WOalSllirt), led them aadotherstlldcnlS into theIe_level of;he auditorium. where tbeyran to theupperleveL CUI inID tbeJlllllD ballway, and exired tbescbccl through themainenll1lllce,
6, Lydie said thatat no timeduring tllis incidelll did. sbecoee into 'ontaC' with. or observe any seooters, I1Utdid. sbesee any of the injured ""denI3. She alsodid. notseeor bearanytbing unusual in thecafeteriapreceding thewarning from the stlldcnlS .. _bed above, Her backpack was left in ee cafeteria at hertable,described as green. with aslllifed raccoon pencil bolder, containing herwallet:md !D. Afte' leaving!liescbool, Lydie was oble toccnractbet lilmily by piloae, and her farha and broraer. Robert. pickedberup aDd brought bet home.
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This leadwas received onMay 7, 1999 without any information (phone or address) onLydia Petry (aka: Dee Dee Petry). She was reportedly a cafeteria worker the dayof theincident at Columbine HS.
I researched the local directory, spoke withschool security. spokewithJefferson County(R·ll Schools, spoke withR-I Communications, spoke withFood Service and theManager of Columbine HSCafeteria. It appears thar LydiaPerrywasnot a parent,security worker. cafeteria aid, food service worker, volunteer or evenemployed byR-lSchools.
I thendiscovered that Robert Petry. TCMAssociate, hasa sisternamed Lydie whomayhave beenin tile cafeteria at the time of theshooting.
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** UPDATED APRIL 28, 1999 **TEAM FOUR INTERVIEW GUIDELll'lEMINIMAL QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED
1. Oldyou everseethe_latgo duffo! bagsin <be "'lfetorla ?/\...-0
2. Did you see '"'YO'"' c3l'l')'illg or in <be pOS$<SSiOll of tho.. <1ufio1 blli>. at • previous Iil:M ?1\/0
3. Did'you s.. Ern: ll.m:Is 0' DylanKl4bokl.il!ler"" Monday ofTuesday 1 Wb.ot wml!loy dolni ?WOlt did they say? W"'" they with anyo""ebe ?....... _. / ~ ~_._ ,~""-"'c:; A!"<:i' ~.,;z:' $,;%11....; /0 ~ ....,... '" ant....> .......,~.__9
4. ~1~!in~kbebilld La l!lo cafetorla or mywbaro ebein <!t< ldlool?
5. Who....,. you with 10 tho oafotorla? Wh"'" were you$i!!llli ?
6. Didyou "'" or talktoanyof<!t< ltellclt Coat M:afia lIlel:llbc:t> 011 Monday 1 Tuesday? !low a!l<lu, thepriorweekorWl!<:kolld? D",,~r 4~ ~
7. Have you bOJltd anyt!lioi from "'Ybol!y.~ou, othor~ boCDb tlIIlldn;.1I\ll1 buyiDc, ere. 1
a. Wb.ot wm you -8? Didyoo have•~ pad< ? \\<1l.aI: didlliool:Iik"'lld I orb.", in 19S",,_r-r / 6~.:s~// ""'''-'S~ E~,q"e.,,::. LffL.A:JCJL.,
9. !low did you leave thecafe..na or <be building 1 Wb.aI werel!lo ._IS that -.you 1=ve?
10. Wha'Iil:M did you001l:l: <be ooiotorla ?~ did you oomo fro'" (prio",o <!t< =-o:xia) ?//A!:-//i/=>
11. Have thom mlltkwhm <!t<y _. siOin& their ro'" OUIof <!t< bu.ilding IlIId whom they wm witl:I (ifmowu} ?
12. How didyou .:ti, <!t< bu.ilding? where didyou go wbon you i Qt oul:md wbat didyou ... OD theautti~ af thebuiIdiDg ?
13. Doyou use tbolntel1lOt? Ifso. wbat 1> your"""""" '""""? Doyou haveaD [CQ(ak:!:I seek you ISl1IllIar '0' obatlino) aecoo"'?~ ~'::~I-
14. Do youknow anybodY with • "doublepi<m:od eyebrow"1A/Q
15. Didyou seeorhoor ally ""USll.Ol_ouooo"""''' prlct to theshootings? Doyeulalow what tho"Thoughl of thedeywas" evestheRobel News Network (R."lN) 1
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16. c.. yo. provide aay_or lofOllllalioa on til. lIlOlIll:>ers of tho rre.cO Coat Mafia 17"",_ ~.,... -as r;M.p/ r~ Y6'IJL # ~y~
17. AsktboPamlCS if tbokidahavetOld tboman)"bil>g else1 Difli:<=ll?
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LAKEWOOD POI.ICE DEPARTMENT SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT
- -PORTING AGENT: GEORGE MCGLYNN CASE NUMBER: 99-38856•• ..:T1M: COLUMBINE HIGHSCHOOL DATE OF REPORT: 04129199OFFENSE: AOA/COLUMBINE HIGHSCHOOL TASK FORCElJEFFCO SHERJFF'S OFFICEINFORMATION CONTROL NUMBER: ON ,FBI: 174A-DN57419, JSCO: CR#99-7625
SUSPECTS:
ERICHARRIS
DYLAN KLEBOLD
WITNESS: BRADEN PESUSICH
DOB: 10/25/81
6414 SOUTH JAYWAY, LITILETON. CO 80128
303-798-9565
MOTHER: DEBORAH PEsUSICH
6414 SOUTHJAY WAY, LITTLETON, CO 80128
303-798-9565
FATHER: DANIELPESUSICH
6414 SOUTH JAYWAY. LITTLETON. CO 80128
303-798-9565
INYiSTIGATION:
On 05/03/991 was assigned Information Control Number DN2513 for follow up investigation.
The narrative stated that JeremyOrbanhad been in the cafeteria at approximately 7:00 a.rn, The
source was Brandi Wiseman, a studentat Columbine High School.
On 05/04/99 at 1130hours I met with Jeremy Orban andhis motherJoann Sander-Ceder! at
their residence. AlsO presentat the residence were two otherColumbine students. Braden Pesusich
and Ali Boukhalfa. Both Pesusicn and Boukhalfa were present in the cafeteriawith Jeremy Orban
and they were also interviewed,
Orban stated that he walked10schoolon 04/20/99 andthat he arrived at approximately 0710
hours and that he entered the schccl through the main entrance thenwenlto his locker anddown to
..... commons or cafeteriaarea. He sllid he meta girl named Can, last nameunknownand Brandi
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LAKEWOOO POLICE OEPARTMENT SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT
'PORTING AGENT: GEORGE MeGlYNN CASE NUMBER: 99-38856~,';TIM: COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL DATE OF REPORT: 04129/99OFFENSE: AOAlCOlUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL TASK FORCElJEFFCO SHERIFF'S OFFICEINFORMATION CONTROL NUMBER: ON ,FBI: 114A.DN51419, JSCO: CR#99.1625
Wiseman. He said they were In the commons for approximately 10 to 15 minutes before first hour.
Orban said that he didn't noticeanything unusual in the cafeteria at that time. He didn't noticeany
unattended duffel bags or backpacks, although he said he wasn't really looking for any.
Orbanleft the commons area andwent to Spanish on the lower level for first hour. He left
Spanish and secondhour went to chemistry on the main level. forthird hour he went to history on the
main level and after third hourhe went to his lockerand then to fourth hour across from the
gymnasium, his math class. He then left his mathclass andwent to the A lunch. He said that when
he arrived he got in line to purchase food and afterhe purchased his pizza he went to sit at his table.
He identified the table that he was sittingat as tableAA. He said that the other people at his table
were Braden Pesuslch, Ali Boukhalfa, Seth Biggi, Ian Hales, NickRomynyshin, Rani Rao, Ryan Baris
and Terry, last name unknown.
Orban said that he sat down at the table, tooktwo bites of this pizzawhen he heard a janitor
comein through an outsidedooryelling for everyone to get down. He said that he lookedout the
windows and saw a personwho he believes was Dylan Klebold shot a male student in the leg and
throwa pipe bomb into the parking lot. He said thathe and otherstudents then got underthe tables.
He said that then he and otherstudentsbegan running towards the stairs and as they ran Orban
could hearwhat he described as booms thinking In retrospect that thesewere pipe bombs. Orban
said that as he approached the stairs he could seethat the stairwell was quite crowded and there
was a teacherin the hallwayby the food cart directing them downthe hall. He said that he ran down
the hallunlil he had to make a right and followed thathallway down to the last classroom. He said
therewere numerous students going into that classroom andtherewere severalteachers in the class
with them. He said thai after several minutes the teachers heardthe shooting from what he believes
was upstairs and he, at the direction of Ihe faculty, ranout the $Outh exit doors from this classroom,
across the student parking 101 and to a houseat PolkStreet and Pierce. He said they went in the
housefor a short time and a student there had a cell phone and he was ableto call his mother, He
• -'laved he was able to contacther al approximately 11:45 a.m. Orbanhad been separated fromhis
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JC.o01.004065
LAKEWOOO POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT
- -PORTING AGENT: GEORGE MCGLYNN CASE NUMBER: 99-38856....:TIM: COLUMBINEHIGH SCHOOL DATE OF REPORT: 04129199OFFENSE: AOAlCOlUMBINE HIGH SCHOOLTASK FORCElJEFFCO SHERIFF'S OFFICEINFORMATION CONTROLNUMBER: ON ,FBI: 174A-DN57419, JSCO: CR#99.7825
friendsat the table when he lell the table. Orban did not leave anything behind In the cafeteria. He
said he had been wearing brown corduroy's and a green T shirt. He said he took his backpack with
him when he left. Orban said that he noticed nothing unusual in the cafeteria prior to the Incident
beginning, that he didn't notice any large duffel bags or backpacksthat appeared to be unattended.
However, he stated that he probably wouldn't noticesuch an item because It Is common practice for
the students to drop their packs and go get food. using their packs to save a spot. Orban said that
he was familiar with the trench coat mafia onlyby name and knew that they were kids that were
trench coats, but had no run In's with them and could provideno further information on the trench
coat mafia. He also did not know Eric Hams or DylanK1ebold. Orban did not know of any students
who were building pipe bombs or stockpiHng weapons. He does not have his own web site and does
not have Internet access at home.
I next Interviewed Braden Pesusich. He Indicated he had not been In the cafeteria any other
time during the day and had gone to the cafeteria for the A lunch. He said that he had come from the
upstairs into the cafeteria, had gone to the lunch line and then made his way to the table when the
Incidentbegan. He said that he observed peoplestanding up by the west windows and felt perhaps
there was a fight. He said that he had a fairly clear view of the kid running up the hili, trying to run up
and get away. when he heard more shots. He said that he then observedwhat he thought were pipe
bombs being thrown into the parking lot. He said that he saw one of the gunmen by the windOW
shooting down towards the ground. He could not see what the gunman was shoaling at. The only
description ha could remember was that this gunmanhad long curly hair and ,n retrospect thinks it
was Dylan Klebold. He said about this time people were starting to run for the stairs to the cafeteria.
He said that he ran along the south wall and that he saw a girl screaming. He thought he name
might be Kim or Patty Blair. He couldn't be sure becausethe Blair's are twins. He said that the girl
was screaming "Ann Marle, Ann Marie". He said that shortly past thiS girl that was screaming.was a
male student who was covered With blood. He saidhe didn't appear tobe injured, but he had blood
~" overhim. He said he next focused on the stairs and saw there was a large crowd there and ran
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LAKEWOOD POUCE DEPARTMENT SUPPLEMENTALREPORT
-"PORTING AGENT: GEORGE MCGLYNN CASE NUMBER: 99-38856••':T1M: COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL DATE OF REPORT: 04129199OFFENSE: AOAlCOLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOLTASK FORCE/JEFFCO SHERIFF'S OFFICEINFORMATION CONTROL NUMBER: ON •FBI: 174A-DN57419, JSCO: CR#99-7625
downthe corridor into the language section of the building, He said that he didn't go entirely down
the hall. but madea Mght tum by the Special Ed hall. Hesaidas he ranpast the stairwell he could
heara rapid sertes of shots from where he believed wasefther behind him or upstairs, He said that
he then randown the corridorpast the Special Edclassroom andout of the building. Pesuslch said
that he took his pack with him and he was wearing khaki colored pants and a dark blue T shirt and
left nothing behind in the cafeleMa. Pesusich said thathe was familiarwith the trench coat mafia only
by name but had no run In's with them and could provide no further Information on the trench coat
mafia. He also did not know EMc Harris or Dylan Klebold. Pesuslch did not know of any students
who were building pipe bombsor stockpiling weapons, Hedoes have Internetaccess at home.
however he does not have a web pageor user name. Pesusich could add nothingfurther,
I also interviewed Ali Boukhalfa, who also stated he hadonly been In the cafeteriaduring theA
, 'ch end that he had comefrom upstairs, He said he hadbeen in lineand was makinghis way
backto the table when the incidentbegan. He heard a commotion and a loud thud outsidethe west
windows. He got up and saw a suspectwith whathe believed wasa shotgun. He observed him
shootthe gun but did not knowwhere he shot it into, He then sawwhat he thoughtwas a pipebomb
go flying through the air and then the suspect ran to the north sideand up the stairs. He then heard
several loudbombs as he was gelting down. He said thatwhenthe studentsbegan to run out of the
cafeteria he ran for the stairs. He went up the stairs and thendirectlyeastout the southeast main
entrance and across the straet into the park. He said that as he was running out the corridorhe
could still hear gunshotswhich he believed were coming from behind him. Boukhalfa could not
identify the person he saw with the shotgun and could provide no further information as to what the
person mighthave been wearing.
Boukhalfa left nothingbehind, he was wearing jeansanda darkgrey T shirt with a marbled
lop. Boukhalfa said he was familiarwith the trench coatmafia and had seen them around, He also
did not knowEric HarriS or Dylan Klebold but that in retrospect he had seen Kiebold around the
.A~ool. He had no direct involvement with the trench coat rnafla, but had a friend named Brell
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LAKEWOOD POUCE DePARTMENT SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT
• -PORTING AGENT: GEORGE MCGLYNN CASE NUMBER: 99-38856.,';TIM: COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL DATE OF REPORT: 04129199OFFENSE;AOAJCOLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOLTASK FORCEJJEFFCO SHERIFF'S OFFICEINFORMATIONCONTROL NUMBER: DN • FBI: 174A-DN57419,JSCO: CR#99-7625
Sullivan who had transferred to Englewood several months agofor other reasons. Sullivan had
bumped intoKlebold andthey got intoa pushing contest Boukhalfa received this information
second hand anddid not havepersonal knowledge of the incident. He could onlyadd thatthe trench
coatmafia members seemed rather odd llInd hestayed away from them. He did notknow of any
students whO werebuilding pipebombs or stockpiling weapons andnoticed nothing unusual in the
school the day this incidentoccurred. Hedoes not have a web pageandcould addnothing further.
BothPesusich and Boukhalfa verifled the students thatwereat their table. Theyalso
indicated on the mapsprovided their routes intoand outof the bUilding. Orban indicated his
anlrance in a solid orange andhis exit in a doted orange. Boukhalfa did his entry in a solid green and
exitin a doted green and Pesusich did hisentry in a solid red andhis exit in a doted red•
• ~OITlONAl WITNESSES:
Ali Boukhalfa. JeremyOrban, Seth Biggi, IanHales, NickRomynyshin, Rani Rae, Ryan Baris
andTerry, lastnameunknown.
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TEAM FOUR INTERVIEW Gti'lDELINEMINIMAL QUESTIONS TO BEASKED
Did youever see lIle two large duffel bags in rhecafeteria"N,)
2, Didyou see anyone cOl'l')'ing orin tlle possession of thoseduffel bags, at aprevious time ?/'.",;
3, DidyouseeEric Harris Or Dylan Klebold eitheron Moodily efTuesday ? What wererbey doing1What did they say? WerelIley withanyone else 1
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4. Did you leave anytoingbetlilld in the cafeteria or anywhere elsein tbe school?
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5, Who wereyou with in tbecafeteria? Where were yousirnn¥ ? ~ •<.f'r!'l" P~"<?<)"'<'Y'J,,~,"i{/ .:.l'f:,.'?",L ---r'i1,)/./-lf 111+ ";;t,·".,.,... )1l'~ ~ /),/t,ht""r- L/!"'I,,!/
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prior weekor weekend ?
'N.'dave you beardanything from anybody elseaboutother suspects,bomb making, gun buying,etc. ?
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9. Howdid you leave the cafeteria Or tilebuilding? What were theevents th'" made youleave ?
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SUPPLEMENT v JCSO ERZEN 99.762S·UCOMecting case Rc:tmrt No Victim Namc- OriiWJ Report Date Thl$ Repon:
'p"l2833 65-05-99,
;~ll(lt'l x Fint Degree Mu~r Olfmse 5anlt:~ x ~QnallyCl~ c Reccmmctt4 CaK: R-c:;'J,ew 0
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ADDITIONAL WITNESS:
PIRO, MEGHAN L., DOBI06·01·84, WIF
7578South LamarW.y
Littleton, CO 80123
(303) 973·0383
Bus: Srudent/Columbine High School/Freshman
(PARENTAL INFORMATJON)
PIRO, PATL" DOBI05·n·51, WfF
Sameas above
Bus Contract/Art Teacher
Same as above
PIRO, JA1,IES V, DOBI12·16-44, WiM
Same as above
Bus: US West
(303) 778-4345
INVESTIGATION:
OnMay 5. 1999, between thehoursof0900and 0935,1 hadanopportunity to speakwith Meghan in reference to theColumbine
incident that occurred on April ZOo 1999. Also presentduring the interview was her mother, Pat Piro,
Meghan stated that she arrivedat Columbine HighSchool onthe dateof the incidentat about 0720 hours. Uponentering into
theschool. she proceeded toher locker, whichis locker#1 141 and is acrossfrom the gym. Shecompleted her SCheduled classes
and was released from her fourthhour mathclass whichis taught inclassroomMA·ll by Ms. Dimanna at about 1110 hours
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CONTINUATION a ReportingAg~ RtpQl'ting Offim c* Report No
SUl'PLEMENT y JCSO ERZEN 99·7625·UConnecrlng c. Rt'port NQ Viclim NameOnginal &iport Dtllt This Repon:
DN2833 05·05.99- First Oegru Murder, caUCil x Qtrm;e. Sut!.a; ;;)pm x 6~i"Niily Clamt o ~otTlJll:end Case: Review 0
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I~'I . I j Dn<:tipli",,, I~IIlNo Vttl"t I Vill\l~ I \I,,",,:• 1;1 Q1WIIltj.' SfWl4 'lllm~ Sr~lm R~<h'''~ O~mal!b1
Once 'he was released frommath sheproceeded downintothecafeteria for her scheduled lunchperiod. She believed she arrived
at abourl l lJ hours. I provided Meghan a mapof the cafeteria area andasked if shecould identify which tableshe wasseared
at. Meghan identified table !l as the tableshe wasseated at. I askedMeghan if sheobserved twolarge dufflebagsor sports type
bags which were located in the central core area of the cafeteria. f described one being blue in color and the other being a
reddish/orange. She advised that she did not see those two items. Meghan told me that also seatedat table (I were: her friends.
Julie Naslund,Nicole Ray, Naomi Lucero, and Lauren Beyer. Meghanwas unable to provide me any telephonenumbers for
those mends of hers.
Meghanplaced her navy blue Abercrombie performance backpackon the chair at the table and then proceededinto the food
service line, She returned to the table a short time later and pro<:eeded to tell me that normallythe cafeteria is real noisy She
statedjust as she sal down she recalls thecafeteria gOI real quiet. She also explainedthar she saw a couple of janitors near the
food service lineand that they weretalking on theirradio" pacingbackand tbt1ll and theymotioned 10 thestudentsto getdown.
Meghan advised that at first she thought this wassometypeof a seniorprank.but not knowing whatwas goingon she gotunder
the table, A short time later,severalof theoilierstudents startedto get out fromunderthe tablesand standup, at which timeone
of the janitors yelled at the students to leave theschool.
Meghanadvised that all the students within the cafeteriastarted to the east side of the cafeteriaand movedup the stairs to the
main levelof the school. Meghancontinued to runeastdownthemath/science hallway, where she exited from the buildingand
wentto LeawoodPark After assembling 10 Leawood Park. she told me that she went to her mend, Lindsy Blair's house.which
is Iocated in the area of Arbor Avenue and Marshall Way, Meghan was asked if she saw any gunmen while she was at
Columbine High School or after she exited from the building. She stated that she did not see any gunmenat all.
Meghan was asked if sbe remembers aboutwhatlime sheexiled from Columbine High School. At this pointMegbaes mother,
Par. told methat she believedshe got a cal! fromMeghan around IlJO! 1140 hoursand that Meghanhad told her what hadgone
on, at which timeshe respondedto Lindsy's house, whereshepickedMeghan up. Meghanwasasked ifshe heardany gunshots
whileshe was at Columbine HighSchool. She told me thatafter she had left the cafeteriaarea and reached the UJp of the stairs
that she recallshearing fivegunshotscomingfromthecafeteriaarea. Meghan wasasked ifshe knewany of the members of the
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Cennecneg, Case Report No VictimNam~Ortgirud Report DlUe Thi;l'R~
DN2833 05·05·99i..lUrol" x First Degree Murder OffffoU s~ 0!Jen x eRt911~1¥ C!~ Q Recol1lmenoj Case: Review Q
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TrenchCoat Mafia,specificallyEricHarrisor DylanKleboldor possibleassociates, I was told thatshe did not know anyofthe
individuals. I asked 'fmere were any rumors about schoolofanythingposSIbly occurring on April20lh, She told me that there
wereno rumorsabout anythingoccurringon thlltdate, 1had Meghan describeher clothingdescription on the incidentdate,She
told me that she was wearing a green short sleeve Polo shirt, bluejeans with black bOOlS,
WhenMeghanwas asked if there was any additional information she would liketo pass on to me, she explainedto me thai she
was speakingwitha friendofhers by the nameof AshleyEgelend, (303)913·3991,who toldherthather sister,Heather Egeland,
was at Columbine High School on the incident date and had just exited into the gym hallway when she saw EricHarris anda
second unidentifiedmale Both parties were dressed in blackand they were carrying some type of weapons, Meghan told me
that Heather identified EricHarris as beingone ofthe individuals, and she identifiedthe second party as beingsomebody other
than DylanKlebold, She couldn't remember who Ashley told her theother gunmen was. Meghan told me thatthere wasa rumor
about school that the bombsthat were placed by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were scheduled to go off at 1120on April cO,
1999.and once 'he bombs wouldgo off that the firealarmswould sound in the school, at which time the students wouldcome
running out the doors and that Eric and Dylan would be waitingoutside. where they wouldstart shooting 'he students. Since
the bombsdid not go oft'as scheduled.Eric and Dylan went back in the school where they started shooting students. Meghan
cannotconfirmedwhere this rumorstarted. At the completion of my interview. I asked Meghan to diagramwhereshe wassitting
m thecafeteria and her movementout of the building. A copy of that map is attached with this supplemental report,
ADDITIONAL INFOR,\1ATION:
FBI Case #174A·DN·S74I 9IDN #2833
DISPQSITION: Case open, pending further investigation,
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JEFFERSON COUNTY DISTRICf ATtORNEY'S OFFICE
SUPPLEMENTAL REPORI
DEFENDAi'IT HAlUUSiKLEBOLDDATE MAY 16,1999DEPUTYDA
DOCKET NUMBER,CASE NL'MBER 99A062INV'ESTIGATOR. DOYLE, PJ
FEl CASE 4-DN-57419
W1TNESS CONTROL NL'MBER 3017
JCSD CASE 99-7625
Reponing investigator, P J Doyle, isacommissioned peace officer employed by theDistrict Attorney inthe First Judicial District serving Jefferson and Gilpin Counties I amcurrently assigned to assist ininterviewing witnesses from Columbine High School.
On May 14, 1999 I spoke to Katelyn SuePlace, a FreshmanDOB 6-25-847080 W Polk PI.Littleton, CO 80123303 973-2488Mother is Susan Work. 303615-5756Father is Mathew
Kate's mother was present during the interview
Kate told methe following
Shewent to all her classes int he morning. Shewent to thecafeteria for 4th hour It's heroffhour She went and sat bythe student store and didn't seeanything unusual
During lunch she waited to meet some friends, Brittany Tyacke}Brittany ~d Katewent Vinto the cafeteria and sat at table L Shewassitting with Brittany, Sarah Gillings, Mary CampbellandHeather(unknown last name. Shesaidthattherewere someothersthere, but she couldn'tremember who it was
When Katewas puttingher backpackdown, shesaid that a waveof kidsduckeddownunder the tables Shethought it wasa senior prank Shegot downand thengal up on her knees.
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She saw a person coming down the stairs on the outside She could see through the windowsHe was shooting a rifle He was tall and she described his height as "lengtby" He had a longshaped face He was wearing a trench coat He was not wearing a mask She doesn't rememberif he was wearing a hat or not, but said that he had short hair She couldn't see below his knees
He was holding the rifle in his right hand He was just pointing and shooting at people atthe outside commons area She couldn't see his left hand. She said that she didn't notice ifhehad anything on or about his trench coat
Kate said, "It was_ I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him deadin the eye He was in my debate class for a linle bit either the end of last semester or thebeginning of this one"
She then stated that she recognized biroas_
Kate said that she hadn't seen_arlier than that, that day She hadn't seenbiro on Monday She wasn't at the school over the weekend She said that she may have seenbiro the week before, bur she wasn't sure She said that she would have just said, "Hi"
Kate said that, "Dylan kind of lcoks like. but Dylan doesn't have the long face_eeth are messed up and he was smiling and r saw his teeth then" Kate said that she hassince seen pictures of'Dyan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them "(Referring 10 the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons)
Kate said that she looked at_for about 30 seconds until he looked at her andhe smiled She ducked back down. She remembers him shocting Ann Marie She said that TonySamorrow (spening"). Jason Unreath (spelling"] And J~lftiend were out with Ann MarieThey were sitting by the tree where thev sit everyday ..,..as randomly shooting Katelooked in the direction of Ann Marie ,-,as still ,hoollng. Kate saw Ann Marie drop Katedidn't remember which direction Ann Marie dropped Kate Went back under the table Kate saidthat .Shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate
Kate looked and saw Jason trying to help A'lI1 Marie, dragging her away from _ tothe Side She didn't know what Tony and Jason's girlfriend were doing at this time
Kate said that she wanted to know if everyone outside was okay, but saw one or two boysshooting at the ground in the Senior parking lot She said she saw the back ofa black trench cost.This person had ilisback to Kate and she couldn't describe him She thought there may havebeen another boy, but couldn't describe biro or articulate why she thought there may have beenanother boy She said that she didn't think the person shooting in the Senior parking lot wasRobert Perry This person seemed shorter She couldn't see what kind of gun this person had
Kate said that when the shooting was outside, she could hear the shooting She couldn'tsay how many shot; had been fired exactly, but thought it was about S to 10 She said that whenthe shots were fired in the Senior parking [or, it was like little bullets spraying She was unable to
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giveme a number of shots she heard and saw
Kate said that she knewDylan from school, she's met him, butjust talked to him a littlebit She doesn't remember what they talkedabout. She remembers distinctly, him telling her thatanything he does in life, he want to get something about it She didn't remember what else theytalkedabout She said it was nothing profound He didn't scare her and they didn't talk aboutanything weird. She said that heseemedlike a follower, but couldn't articulate why she thoughtthat. She saidthat she would speak to Dylan or see him in the halls once or twice a week.
Kate said that she met Eric Harris twice Erichad helped her with her geometryhomework while at school
Kate saidthat she neversaw Dylan or Eric outside of school. She said that she's neverseen any of the TCM out ofschool, and she doesn't hangout with them. Kate is friends withJamie Schoffner, at school Katie wouldtalk to Jamie and someguys (names unknown) whowore trenchcoats She said that she is not friends with any of these people, just acquainted withthem from school
Kate's momdescribed Kate as open and nonjudgmental and saidthat Kate talks to a lotof people Kate was very open and friendly withme.
Kate said that everybody stood up and ran through the cafeteria toward the stairsby thestudent store. The janitor kept saying to staydown. Kate stayed down. She thinks that CoachSanders was telling people to get in to the auditorium Shewaswearingher backpack and nevergor to take it off.
Kate said that all the kids were running up the stairsand then, she heard a boom
Kate said that at first, she and Britany went out the doors on the south side of the cafeteriaand sat out there for what seemed like 15 minutes Then. they ran across the senior ''Irking lotShe could hear someshots shethought were coming from the library She turned ar.und to lock,andBritanygrabbed her to run Kate tan and hid behind a little blackcar Then, she heard anexplosion and saw something t1y up in the air She didn't knowwhat it was She stopped at thefence and ran down a little hill, and ran, headto chest, into a policeman Britany was behind her
Kate saidthat she looks sruffup on the Internet (for school) She doesn't use chat rooms '
She knowsno one with a double pierced eyebrow -
She saw the RNN, but doesn't remember what it was
Kate didn't know TCM members byname
Kate said that her cousin, CourtneyHerivel (303 933-7243), heard someone say,....
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stop-put it down." Courtney was up in Miss Williams' science room.
Katesaid that. DustinGortin told Denee Gortin, whotold Kate, that_turnedhimself in for the shooting.
I told Kateand her motherthat someone elsemaycontacther in the future for furtherinformation.
No further information at thistime.
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Sl;PPLEMENT X JCSO Inv. Jack YlcFadden 99-7625I C0nn~!H'l1: Case Report '"0 Vjcwn '<"me Or1~l!laJ Report Da,e rill' Reoon
Columbine Hiih School. et al 11-03-99Jillll:JH(Uj X first Degree vlurder ()fftMt StlIru", OpoMl X E'CtmJMlllly Cleared 0 R~al'flmenJ Cese. R"~1t\\. 0
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Reinterview with Katelyn Place on November I. 1999
DETAILS:
On November I. 1999 Katelyn Place and her parents responded to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office at my requestconcerning Katelyn being reinterviewed regarding her observations at Columbine High School on April :::0. 1999
I first went over the report taken by investigators on May I~. i999 with Place [asked Place if the information '.,asaccurate. Place responded by saying yes. Place explained that while In the cafeteria on 1)4,20/99. she was at thecafeteria window closest to the: southwest COmet. when she observed an individual dressed in a trench coat carrvinc agun Place identified that Individual as....Place stated she was now not so sure Itwas" Piac.~me that she was very excit~9 and had looked into the eves of the person she believed to be....Place further explained that she had been In a classWlth~d had seen him several times, ring a black trench coat. Place stated it was the same !Jpe of trench coat she had seen on the gunman on 04 2099
I explained to Place th._had been seen by witnesses On04;:::0,00 at his residence during the time of theshootings at COlumbine,illitexlained to Place it was unlikely that-'.'as at the school at the time she stated! explained to Place that d Dylan Klebold havesi~~iY similar in height andweight I then asked Place I S e cou d be nustaken about her identification of~acestated afterthinking about the above information and as time has passed, she was not as sure as she was when she was pre', iouslyinterviewed.
1then showed Place cafeteria video photo #46, to which she responded. "I think it's Eric," ! then showed Placecafeteria video photo #48, to which she responded again, "1 think It'S Eric" I then showed Placecafeteria video photo"51. to which she responded, "it's Eric and Dylan." Finally. I shewed Place cafeteria video photo #54. to which sheadvised it \""1.5 Dylan
-Place stated she had met Dvlan Klebold less than five times and knew who he was. Place stated she was much morefarruiiar with_due to the fact that he had been in a class with her. in which she saw him almost e\ en davPlace ad'Ised~lethat she identified_as being the gunman, due to the fact that she associatedthe trench coat to a familiar person Place state~ot be able to testify in court that_was theindividual standing outside the cafeteria holding the gun and shooting in the direction of Ann~alder
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Durmg ,h" interview. it was apparent that Place was still emotionally upset about the incident at Columbine HighS 'll and d to be comforted by her mother and father a couple times during this interview
CONTINUAnON 0ReponingApcy Reporting Officer Case Report ',(0
SGl'PlEMENT X JCSO Inv. Jack McFadden 99·7625C"nn«:lingCMe" Reporr No Victim N\ll'MOngmal Report Dale This Report
Columbine Hil!h School. et al 11-1)3-99~!fi';JlroJl X First Degree Murder Offense; StalWl: Oprn X EJ.Cllt'lti(l!l3!!y C!ul'lJd o Recommend Case: Revsew C
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Caseopen. lead closed.
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WITNESS:Pollard, Braden, DOB: 03-08-845689 South Iris WayLittleton, CO 60123Ph: 303-976-1331
CONTROL NUMBER: 2855
INVESTIGATION:On 517199, f met with Braden at his residence reference the Columbine shooting. I first showed Braden adiagram of the cafeteria and asked him to show me where he had oesn sitting on the day of the shooting,Braden said the tabie where he was sitting, was not on thediagram and he then drew three Circles on thediagram east of the stairway. Braden then marked an "x" where he had been seated at the table. I askedBraden If he could tell me what had happened that day. Braden said he had just got out of a Governmentclass at approximately 11:10 and walked down the gym hallway to the library hallway. Braden said heheard someone yell "fight" and looked outside through the windows of the cafeteria, but did not see anydisturbance. Braden said he did sse a male in approximately the middle of the parking lot, standing by aca- . 'Jt he could not identify the person. Braden said he then sat back down at the table. Braden said thatMr. ~anders and the janitor came down the stairs and told everyone to get on the floor underneath thetables. Braden said he was there for approXimately two minutes and heard someone from the back of thecafeteria yelling "he's in here....he's in here". I asked where this yelling came from and he said it wastowards the west end of the cafeteria. Braden said he heard two gunshots that he believed to be In thecafeteria, but could posslbiy have been outside. Braden said that he stood up with other students and leftthe cafeteria through the door by the "Rebel" corner, and then went across the street to Leewood Park tosomeone's house, where numerous students were going. Braden said while In the house, he heardapproximately two explosions, but did not see any of them. I asked Braden if he had seen two large duffelbags In the cafeteria, and he said no, he had not. I asked Braden if he had seen anyone in possession ofor carrying two large duffel bags, and he said no, I asked if he had seen Eric or Dylan on Monday orTuesday and he said. no. I asked if he had left any of his possessions in the cafeteria and he said he didleave a West Park backpack with Its contents in the cafeteria. I asked if he had seen or talkad to any of theTrench Coat Mafia on MOnday or Tuesday, and he said no. i asked If he had heard anything else aocut thesuspects, bomb making or any type of gun buying, He said the only rumor he had heard was that thebombs were planted the evening of the "after Prom" party J asked him what he was wearing that day andhe said, "a blue tee shirt with khaki shorts". I asked if he used the Internet at home and he saidapprox.rnately 5 or 6 months ago he did and then they discontinued the service. I asked what hrs username was and he said he does not remember, that he didn·t really use a name on there. I asked If he knewanyone with double pierced eyebrows and he said, no he did not. I asked if he remembers hearing anyunusual announcements prior to the shoaling and he said, he does not remember. 1asked if he could givem!' 'y further Information on the Trench Coat Mafia. Braden said he thought It was only a nickname andth.... Iere was no such thing as the Trenoh Coat Mafia.
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I asked Braden If there was anything else he could tell me about what had happened thai day and he said,00, he could not l tnen gave Braden a business card and asked thai he call me if he thought of any furtherInformation, and he said that he would, At this time, the interview with Braden was concluded.
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SUPPLEMENT REKER HOMICIDE 98-7625 6-9-99
SECOND INTERVIEW WITH JENNY POLLACK5136 S. Drew Ct.Littleton, Colo. 80123303-933-4625
On 6-9-99,Inv. Reker did reinter view Pollack inregards to possibly seeing the duffle bags in the cafeteriaduring 4th hour.
Pollack states that she was in the cafeteria betweenthe hours of 10:15 and 11:25 on the day of the shooting.
She relates that she never saw any suspicious bags orpersons carrying any duffle bags.
She also states that she did not see any mewhers of thetrench coat mafia while she was in the cafeteria.
She does state that her friend Ashley Eggland statesthat she sawllllllllllllltwalking through the parking lot thatmorning with~iebald.
She also states that Eggland also sawshooting at her (Eggland) .
Pollack was unable to provide any further informationand the interview was terminated.
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** UPDATED APRIL 28, 1999 ** J:~:? if:!;:;;:?/{~TEAM FOUR INTERVIEW GUIDELINEMINIMAL QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED
1. Didyouever~ the two large duffel bags in the cifeteria" ,A.){)
2. Did ycuseeanyone cmying or in thepossession of tho.. dutreJ bags. iii. previous time ? IJ i:?
3, Didyou see EneHams orDylan Klebold eitheronMo~ ofTuesda;t.? Wbol were~ doilli ? •What did theysay? Were theywith anyone else? Z #(J"'¢«.) if(,:ifh ::z~"' WI fthen, ..hV 711'= ~Al/"-<;' .z dJtt:! A/?/,s",-€ rn.-rlf /)£< "'-""9 7A.~ o!!/t:"t{)"
4, Did you leaveanylllillg tiehlod it! file CllfC!llri. or ",ywbere elsein theschool?A1V -dk.c4; ,,;7:1'V,fjbr'-f' 8a~ " . ')
;, wbo were you with in the cafeteria ? Where wm yousittitlg? ;:)/,'slta ~"'C!I',u'<7 5 (1.Uf;U;7/
6. Didyouseeor talkto ",y of theTreneh Coat~ lllelll.bers on Monday? Tuesday? How about theprior week or weekend? l/()
12. How did you exit rbe building? WOeredid you go whenyou gotcer iIl1d whlli didyou~OtI theoutSidaQfthe"uilding?~/-9-" 1.<;;""!"~7"" /1"'-11 k",,,,,.:r,,, ~".flIvp .lkwII! Ji\.c, $("'4.t'U"
13. Doyou use theIntomet? If so, whal is your screen 1lJlIIle? Doyouhave aa ICQ(aka: I seek you Isimilar to 0 cblli line) account? y(~/p{j
14, Do you know anybody witaa "double pierced eyebrow"? .v()
15. Did you see or bear iYly unusual announcements prior to~ sbootings 1 Doyou know what the"Thought of the daywas" overthe Rebel :'Iews :'letWOrI«RNN)? '-<:Nk~kI,(/
16 Can you i!"vida any _ information on the tIlC.Jjlhers of theTrench CoatMafi. 2 8J',-a-.J 5::>'f"'''I,N!xoiu/'f ,w,,..,,,y; j, ,;;,t'l4 AR"..M:'/' 7.41"41 I)LtJr-\1. Ask the pllICtltS ifmeldds lItv. t<.1d<hemanylllillg.lie? Diffe"",,?
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