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A merica has at least one place that seems to manufac- ture great basketball play- ers: the University of North Carolina. The University of Michigan cranks out football greats the way GM cranks out Chevies. So now that many companies have decided im- ported CEOs are better than homegrown, and CEOs are getting recruited like point guards and running backs (and sometimes even paid as much), it’s worth asking: Does America also have a CEO factory? Answer: It has two. General Electric and McKinsey have been legendary for decades as America’s two bubbliest cal- drons of managerial brilliance, but these outfits throw off more than ideas; they’ve also produced an astonishing num- ber of CEOs of other major companies. And whenever you have two of anything that are extremely good, you can’t resist wondering, Which one’s better? It’s a delicious comparison because GE and McKinsey in many ways are opposites. McKinsey is proudly elit- ist, annually skimming the top graduates of the Har- vard Business School and ot her ultra - e xc lu s i ve schools worldwide. GE is proudly anti-elitist; a fancy degree sparks at least as much suspicion as admira- tion. To overstate the case: At one place an Ivy League degree is required, while at the other it’s pro- hibited. By re pu t at ion , McKinsey hires the stu- dents with thick gla s s e s and HP calculators; GE hires the hockey team. So which turns out bet- ter CEOs? To find out, we set up a managerial Super Bowl. We chose ten CEOs of large U.S. companies, f i ve each from GE and McKinsey, all of whom got their jobs in the ’90s, and c om pa red their perfor m- a nces. Result: a tie (s e e t a ble). Turns out bot h teams are damn good. And together they teach a big, important lesson to the rest of us. Note that the result could have changed if we had chosen different CEOs, which we easily might have, especially for Team McKinsey. Candidates: William Foote (USG), Richard Goodmanson (America West Airlines), Volney Taylor (Dun & Bradstreet), and Gregory Summe (EG&G), among many others. We chose the CEOs we did because they run the best- known companies. Pickings were slimmer for Team GE. Ex-GE CEOs are fewer for a couple of reasons. GE stock has performed so spectacularly that most top managers there would leave be- hind a fortune in unexercised options if they departed. In ad- dition, some of GE’s best executives are still in the running to succeed CEO Jack Welch next year, so they’re staying put. What’s most significant about the results of the managerial MANAGING TEAM McKINSEY STAYING SMART M ANAGI NG COM PANIES AND CAR E ERS IN THE NEW EC ONOM Y Lou Gerstner IBM $223.9 45.5% 1993 Philip Purcell Morgan Stanley $54.9 35.1% Dean Witter 1993* Harvey Golub American Express $56.2 34.2% 1993 Leo Mullin Delta Air Lines $8.0 15.7% 1997 Gary DiCamillo Polaroid $1.1 –14.6% 1995 No. of years at McKinsey John Blystone SPX $2.6 63.5% 1995 Larry Bossidy AlliedSignal $37.0 31.6% 1991 Norman Blake USF&G* $2.8 17.8% 1990 John Trani Stanley Works $2.8 5.8% 1997 Glen Hiner Owens Corning $2.0 5.7% 1992 Recent Average annual market cap. stock price in billions growth Recent Average annual market cap. stock price in billions growth No. of years at GE CEO Company Year started CEO Company Year started 18 34 17 19 32 13 11 13 9 3 TEAM GE Average annual stock price growth Average annual stock price growth 24.9% 23.2% TEAM GE SCORE: TEAM McKINSEY SCORE: *Acquired by St. Paul Cos., 1998. *Year Dean Witter spun off from Sears. AUGUST 2, 1999 Which make better managers? Elitists from McKinsey or bruisers from GE? CEO Super Bowl

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  • Amer ica has at le a s tone place thats e ems to ma nu fac-t u re gre at basketball play-ers: the Un i ver s i ty of North Carol i na. The Un i ver s i ty ofM ichigan cranks out fo otball gre ats the way GM cranks ou tC hev ies. So now that many com pa n ies have de c ided im-p orted CEOs are bet t er than home g rown, and CEOs areg etting re c ruited like poi nt guards and running backs (a nds omet i mes even pa id as muc h), its worth asking: DoesAmer ica also have a CEO fac t ory ?

    Answer: It has two. General Electric and McKinsey havebeen legendary for decades as Americas two bubbliest cal-d rons of ma na g erial brilliance, but these outfits throw of fmore than ideas; theyve also produced an astonishing num-ber of CEOs of other major companies. And whenever youhave two of anything that are extremely good, you cant resistwondering, Which ones better?

    Its a delicious comparison because GE and McKinsey inmany ways are opposites.McKinsey is proudly elit-ist, annually skimming thetop graduates of the Har-vard Business School andot her ultra - e xc lu s i ves c ho ols wor ld w ide. GE isproudly ant i - elitist; a fa nc yde g ree sparks at least asmuch suspicion as admira-t ion. To over s t ate the case:At one place an IvyLe a g ue de g ree is re qu i re d ,while at the other its pro-hibited. By re pu t at ion ,Mc Kinsey hires the stu-dents with thick gla s s e sa nd HP calc u lat ors; GEhires the hockey team.

    So which turns out bet-ter CEOs? To find out, weset up a managerial SuperBowl. We chose ten CEOsof la rge U.S. com pa n ie s ,f i ve each from GE andMc Ki n s e y, all of whom gottheir jobs in the 90s, and

    c om pa red their perfor m-a nces. Result: a tie (s e et a ble). Turns out bot hteams are damn good. And

    together they teach a big, important lesson to the rest of us.Note that the result could have changed if we had chosen

    different CEOs, which we easily might have, especially forTeam Mc Ki n s e y. Candid ates: William Fo ote (USG), Ric ha rdGoodmanson (America West Airlines), Volney Taylor (Dun& Bradstreet), and Gregory Summe (EG&G), among manyot hers. We chose the CEOs we did because they run the best-known companies.

    Pic kings were sl i m mer for Team GE. Ex-GE CEOs arefewer for a couple of re a s ons. GE stock has perfor med sospectacularly that most top managers there would leave be-hind a fortune in unexercised options if they departed. In ad-dition, some of GEs best executives are still in the runningto succeed CEO Jack Welch next year, so theyre staying put.

    Whats most signific a nt about the results of the ma na g er i a l

    MANAGING

    TEAM McKINSEY

    STAYING SMARTM A N AG I NG C OM PA N I E S A N D C A R E E R S I N T H E N E W E C ONOM Y

    Lou GerstnerIBM $223.9 45.5%1993

    Philip PurcellMorgan Stanley $54.9 35.1%Dean Witter1993*

    Harvey GolubAmerican Express $56.2 34.2%1993

    Leo MullinDelta Air Lines $8.0 15.7%1997

    Gary DiCamilloPolaroid $1.1 14.6%1995

    No. ofyears at

    McKinsey

    John BlystoneSPX $2.6 63.5%1995

    Larry BossidyAlliedSignal $37.0 31.6%1991

    Norman BlakeUSF&G* $2.8 17.8%1990

    John TraniStanley Works $2.8 5.8%1997

    Glen HinerOwens Corning $2.0 5.7%1992

    Recent Average annualmarket cap. stock pricein billions growth

    Recent Average annualmarket cap. stock pricein billions growth

    No. ofyearsat GE

    CEOCompany Year started

    CEOCompany Year started

    18

    34

    17

    19

    32

    13

    11

    13

    9

    3

    TEAM GE

    Average annualstock price growth

    Average annualstock price growth

    24.9% 23.2%TEAM GE

    SC OR E :TEAM McKINSEY

    SCORE:*Acquired by St. Paul Cos., 1998. *Year Dean Witter spun off from Sears.

    AUGUST 2, 1999

    Which make better managers? Elitists from McKinsey or bruisers from GE?

    C EO Sup er Bow l

  • Sup er Bowl is that the score was so clo s e de spite the sha r pl ydi f ferent cultures of the two teamsand that both teams areexcellent. Consider: The S&P 500 has on average advanceda b out 15% a ye a r, com p ou nded, through the 90s. The s eCEOs have averaged about 24% annual stock price appreci-ation during their tenures, an enormously superior perform-ance. So for all the amusing (and overblown) caricatures ofthe brainiacs vs. the bouncers, what you really want to knowis not how McKinsey and GE are different, but how theyrethe same.

    The answer couldnt be clearer. The companies are alike intwo major ways that seem to explain a great deal about thesuccess of their alumni. The first and most important simi-la r i ty is an absolute insistence, blu nt and unc om promising, onthe best peoplefinding them, developing them, evaluatingthem, and getting rid of them if they dont measure up. Vir-tually every company would say it shares those values, but inreality hardly any is in GEs and McKinseys league when itcomes to living them.

    B oth com pa n ies are extreme mer i t o c rac ies, says No elTichy, who used to run GEs Crotonville management centerand is now a professor at the University of Michigans busi-ness scho ol. As a re s u l t, people get bet t er and bet t er thehigher you go in the organization. This is notalways the case.

    It starts with re c ruiting. As Mc Kinsey ha sg rown, it has faced the pro blem of finding morenew em plo yees who are up to its extraor-di narily high stand a rd. The obvious cou r s ewou ld have been to hire more from the elite in-s t i t u t ions where the firm alre ady re c ruited. Butg oing after the top 10% rat her than the top 5% of the Ha rva rdB - s c ho ol class wou ld, by de f i n i t ion, have lowered stand a rd s .So they didnt re ach de e p er into the existing talent pool, say sAnd rew Ac kemann, the firms for mer di re c t or of profe s s iona lp er s on nel. Instead they widened the search, lo oking int omany di s c i pl i nes globally for the brightest people arou nd. Pa r tof Ac kemanns job was to di rect a mini-M BA pro g ram forh i res with Ph . D.s, M.D.s, and law de g re e s .

    Both GE and McKinsey devote a lot of time and moneyfar more than most companiesto developing their peoplethrough tons of formal education and training. Consideringtheyve already brought aboard many of the smartest peoplea rou nd, thats a powerful one - two comb i nat ion. It also me a n st he com pa n ies have secured the moral right to carry out someof the most int en s i ve, merc i less perfor ma nce eva lu at ion sfound anywhere in business.

    At GE its called Session C. At McKinsey its the PIA, the

    personal impact assessment. In both cases its a very care-fully orchestrated system of performance reviews, as Acke-mann describes McKinseys system, and its realnot someb.s. bu re auc rat ic exercise, as Tichy says of GEs rou t i ne .Deep, hone s t, fre quent perfor ma nce rev iews are di f f ic u l t,even painful, which is why most com pa n ies dont do them. Butthey are clearly one of the most significant reasons GE andMcKinsey produce so many outstanding managers.

    A key to assembling the best people is the commitment oftop executives, which is strikingly similar at the two compa-nies. Evaluating people is the CEOs job at GE, says Tichy,and Welch acknowledges its how he spends most of his time.At McKinsey, says Ackemann, massive amounts of partnertalent are devoted to recruiting and to management of themer i t o c rac y. Those messages from the top tell every ma na g erat both companies: Developing and evaluating people arentjust items on your to-do list; theyre the most important partof your job.

    Pe o ple focus is the first big simila r i ty betwe en GE andMcKinsey. The second is exposure to many disparate busi-nesses, which gives exe c u t i ves more ideas and con f idence tha nmost business people ever acquire. Its obvious how this hap-p ens at Mc Ki n s e y. Sp end a few years as a con s u l t a nt, and

    youll see all kinds of companies, good and bad, risinga nd falling, and youll learn pro di g iou sl y. At GE it take smore doing. The company is a conglomerate, althoughthey get hives if you call them that, and it may be theonly con g lomerate thats worth more than the sum of itsparts. Thats largely because the company knows howto tra n s fer good ideas from one cor ner of the em pi re toa not her, giving every operat ion an ad va ntage its single -

    industry competitors dont have.E xe c u t i ves raised in such an en v i ron ment get a couple of ad-

    vantages. First, they just know more. Managerially, theyves e en the wor ld. The y ve built a gre at er fund of ideas and prac-tices than managers whove spent a career in one industr y.Second, theyve seen ideas applied successfully across indus-t r ies, ma king them less afra id to try the unc on vent iona l .Youre very reluctant to turn the world upside down if its theonly world you know.

    Our managerial Super Bowl may not have yielded a clearwinner, but it has definitely served a purpose. Those compa-n ies on the ro s t ers arent really two teams fighting each ot her,obviously; theyre ten separate companies, each one againstthe world. But because their common traits are so clear andstriking, imagining them as teams showsmuch more em-phatically than viewing them individually ever couldwhat ittakes to be a world-beater.

    GE AND MCKINSEYSHARE AN AB-SOLUTE INSIS-

    TENCE ON FINDINGAND DEVELOPINGTHE BEST PEOPLE.

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