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Topic started on 30-3-2011 @ 12:28 AM by roughycannon

The aim of this thread is to truly give a scale of how small and insignificant

comet Elenin is, it should also give a scale of how extremely far away it is at

the moment and where it will be at the end of this year.

I have being doing this for a few hours and have made some graphical

images to help you understand.

So for people who dont know... our planet Earth is approx 6,378Km in

diameter Wiki and our Moon 1,738Km Wiki and comet Elenin a whopping

4Km Wiki

It is so small that it cant even be depicted as a single pixel in the aboveimage.

So now I want to give you a scale of how big comet Elenin is, well its 4Km in

diameter so lets say that each pixel is 4Km I would get the image below:

met Elenin size, distance and scale explained., page 1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread682251/pg1

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a pixel) so the image is to scale. As you can see comet Elenin as a pixel (on

the left) is tiny compared the moon never mind to our own planet! In fact

seeing comet Elenin can only be shown as a pixel I will refer to it as Pixel

Elenin from now on.

So how far away is Pixel Elenin? Well... very very very far I first need you to

look at this image:

Do you notice anything about this image? Look closer... Pixel Elenin is

nearly twice the distance away of our own sun! The sun is approx 150

million Km away from our planet and Pixel Elenin is a whopping 291 million

Km away from our planet as of today that's nearly double the distance!

Now to help give you an visual idea of distance, I need you to understand

the scale of the sun, lets say each pixel is 1,000Km:

So the earth is now 6 pixels, Jupiter is 71 pixels and the sun is a huge 1400

pixels, as you can see in this image the earth is around the same size asJupiter's red spot, a storm the size of our planet? Can you imagine...

I want to get the sun in the image now to give you a scale of it compared to

earth so now lets say that each pixel is 5,600Km that would make the sun

250 pixels Jupiter 12 pixels and the earth 1 pixel:


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Now think of how big the sun looks on this picture and how big it looks

when you see it in the sky and that will give you an idea of what 150 million

Km distance is... Pixel Elenin is nearly double this distance from our planet:

(291 million Km away as of today)

To think that something so small and further away than our own sun would

have any effect on our planet at this point becomes laughable.

Here is the only know image (that I know of) of Elenin at the moment:

So what of the close encounter at the end of the year? Well take a look at

this next image:


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As you can see the date is now showing Oct 18, 2011, the problem with this

graph is that it shows the earth and comet as the same size and doesn't

give a true sense of scale in fact the distance between Pixel Elenin and

earth on this graph is actually 34,856,344 Km, yes that's 34 million Km!

Now lets get a scale of that once again lets say the each pixel is 416Km:

This would make the earth (on the left) 15 pixels, the moon (on the right) 4

pixels and the distance between them 600 pixels, this is a true sense of

scale of how far away the moon actually is from earth not like the

documentaries or mock up images you see, the moon is approx 240,000 Km

away.

So how does Pixel Elenin which on this date would be 34 million Km away

factor in this? Well in the image above it would be 83,789 pixels along the

screen if you have a screen resolution of 1280x720 you would have to have

65 monitors side by side to show how far Pixel Elenin is from the earth seen

on the left of the image...

65 monitors side by side! Look at the size of the moon in the pic above and

then at Pixel Elenin below:

Even if the comet has slight changes in its orbit the distances are so vast


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travelling through its tail or any debris it brings with it, just look at it

compared to the moon...

Most astronomers say that it wont be visible to the naked eye as it will be

too dim but you might be able to see it with a telescope.

Anyway hope you like the thread, peace out!edit on 30-3-2011 by roughycannon because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:32 AM by Golithion

Well done the only thing I would say is you are going to be able to see it at night,

now how long the tail is will be determined by how it interacts with the sun. It still

will be good to see a nice comet again in the night sky. Thanks for some sanity on

this issue.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:33 AM by badgerman24

Very interesting. I am kinda thinking that it won't end all life as we know it but if it

were to be off and hit earth then it could cause alot of damage! imagine 4km hitting

NYC it would kill 1,000s if not more. I like the pictures that show it to scale though.

Nice find.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:33 AM by grindhouzer

Thats assuming that it is only 4km diameter and we havnt been lied too...

Plus what about comet HONDA passing by around he exact same time...

that photo of elenin looks like a craft or something..??

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reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:33 AM by roughycannon

reply to pos t by badge r m an24

I done all the images myself in photoshop

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:35 AM by Anttyk47


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First of all, nice avatar.

Secondly, This whole going into pixel thing is pretty funny since making it into the

size of a pixel basically gives it the image of "You shouldn't care about this"

This is great info, and you did a great job presenting it and all i have to say is

/Facepalm to anyone that thinks it is catastrophic unless we get evidence that it is.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 12:57 AM by AboveTheTrees

Nice post!

Simple and neat.

It wont therefore:

1) be visible naked eye (we'll have to use domestic equipments to track it once cuts

our orbit)

2) affect our planet (4 km in diameter using gravitational newton laws gives us zero

point lots of zeros something)

now we can finish our morning coffees in a peacfeful state of mind oh and the

only picture reminds me so much of the Enterprise! gotta love this Elenin

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reply to pos t by g r i ndh ouz e r

It was 4 separate exposures that's why you see 4 dots in a line

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 01:34 AM by Cecilofs

Your post is fine provided we aren't being lied to as another user said.

Where are you getting the info about its size? AFAIK NASA are the only ones who

have said its 4km long - is that true or are there more sources? Can amatuers spot

it yet?

Second, if a 4km comet hits the earth there will be deaths. It wouldn't be extinction

time but its gonna hurt. Even its the size of a pixel compared to the earth, its a 4km

rock that's travelling really fast.


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Yes but the post was to show that its not coming anyway near the earth in fact the

closest it gets is 34 million Kilometres

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 02:02 AM by zaper

Originally posted by Cecilofs

Your post is fine provided we aren't being lied to as another user said.

Where are you getting the info about its size? AFAIK NASA are the only ones who have

said its 4km long - is that true or are there more sources? Can amatuers spot it yet?

Second, if a 4km comet hits the earth there will be deaths. It wouldn't be extinction time

but its gonna hurt. Even its the size of a pixel compared to the earth, its a 4km rock

that's travelling really fast.

I think we dont know if its true the comet has 4km long.

There are several other sources but none sufficiently academic or credible enough.

I remember a later transcription from the controversial cassiopaean experiment

about the real size of the comet, the guys are saying is about 500km diameter

along the long axis Lolz who knows!

in these days everyone seems to be lying

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reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 02:09 AM by Wookiep

Well based on the scale of things from the OP, if Elenin is the culprit for all these

natural disasters etc on Earth....

Then humanity better never build a really large spaceship like the Enterprise to

explore the galaxy, or we will be going around screwing with the geographic

stability of other planets that could be teaming with all different kinds of life!!

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reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 02:33 AM by Alpal

Now im confused Sooo what's meant to destory earth on 2012 Comet Elenin or

Nibiru??

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 03:18 AM by Anttyk47

Originally posted by Alpal


Nibiru??

Your mind!

Also this is an excellent thread and i'd rather not see it steer into the End of the

world discussion....

The OP wanted to just provide some info that he created visually on the object..

(Which i absolutely love!!!! Someone taking the time for this really desirves my


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respect!)

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 09:58 AM by cal71919

So, where did you get those figures from? I know there's alot of good people

working at NASA, but I just don't believe they themselves are getting data before

it's been "reviewed" and deemed suitable for civilian eyes. You have to remember ,

NASA is run by the military and all data would be reviewed to filter out anything thatwould fall under the "National Security" umbrella. I'm no expert on this and

certainly don't want to come off as a conspiracy theorist. I just feel I/we the people

have been lied to for decades by the military, and most of the crooks in

Washington. No offense to you(OP) on you info, but I don't know you personally.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 10:28 AM by K-Raz

reply to pos t by c a l71919

Where did people hear about this comet in the first place?

If NASA didn't want us to know about this comet, they could just have kept quiet in

the first place

Wake me up when the amateur comet/asteriod hunters starts sounding the alarms,

There are to many armchair scientists/astronomers these days trolling for exposure

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 11:04 AM by PuterMan

reply to pos t by r oughy c annon

An excellent piece of work. If I could give you more stars and flags I would.

I will add a l ink to this on my Elenin thread.

Edit: to say done!

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reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 11:12 AM by cal71919

If I'm not mistaken, a Russian amateur astronamer discovered it. I don't claim to be

one so I ask, could he have determined the size, speed, and or trajectory of said

comet? I guess that's where NASA comes in. If it was substantially bigger and posed


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a threat of any kind to us, would NASA disclose that? I think not. That's the point I

was trying to make.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 04:25 PM by ressiv

russian astronomer was LEOnid Elenin...

hichlighted LEO =lion

comet elenin comes from lion constallation to us...

weird but sometimes things happen

only 4k in diameter.. but wat is the substance of it ...only ice/rock

ore remains of an starving star covered with ice.....???????

then we can speak of super heavy metal and an enormous gravity field....

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 06:27 PM by roughycannon

reply to pos t by ressiv

Well that's a bit of a moot point really, giving the scale of things in my post even it

it was a 4Km boulder of pure iron it wouldn't have an enormous gravitational

force... thats ridiculous.


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reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 06:44 PM by Mercurio

4 kilometers is big, the asteroid that impacted the Earth 65 million years ago was

10 kilometers...stop acting like this is tiny, yes, tiny enough to not effect the gravity

of the Earth or the Moon, but big enough to cause some serious devastation on this

planet if it did ever hit the Earth.

That 10 km (6 mile) asteroid that hit the Earth millions of years ago left a 180 km

(110 miles) across crater and of course is what many people theorize was

responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs...

Stop calling it small, it's not small for a comet, it is small relative to the Earth and

Moon. duh.


reply to pos t by Mercur io

This thread has nothing to do with it hitting the earth its to show that its not even

near us and wont hit the earth, have you seen the threads on here claiming it was

responsible for the earth quakes? well in comparison to how far away it is, it IS

SMALL and couldn't effect our planet in anyway, I never said if it hit however it

wouldn't cause damage, you should really read the OP before commenting.

reply posted on 30-3-2011 @ 07:59 PM by Xcalibur254

reply to pos t by Mercur io

Actually it is small for a comet. Most comets have nuclei that are 16 km across.

While we have seen comets that have nuclei that are as small as 100 m across we

have also seen comets with nuclei 40 km across.

reply posted on 31-3-2011 @ 01:20 PM by trusername

This is great - thanks!


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what about the earth travels?

how many km is elenin moving and how many km is earth moving?

I remember watching a West Wing episode where they have a near earth object and

it misses by gazillions of km and then the astronimer points out that earth was in its

exact spot 6 minutes earlier.

The numbers can all sound big and safe, but the planets are big and fast - so was

just wondering if you could add those # in there? How much time for earth to get

out of Elenin's way?

Thanks for all of your amazing and clear info!!

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reply posted on 2-4-2011 @ 06:15 AM by vkturbo

Where did you get your info that it is only 4km accross as NASA didn't have it listed

reply posted on 5-4-2011 @ 03:22 PM by Chulra

24.4944 arc seconds big. do the math

Tail length ~900.000 km long (Yes a 4 km comet could do this.)

spaceobs.org...

Please use your brain even if its hard to believe but this is what fema is preparing

on.

Even if the ice melts down to 40% it will be still bigger then the earth.

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reply posted on 5-4-2011 @ 11:23 PM by jumpspace

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reply posted on 6-4-2011 @ 06:42 PM by Debunker75

reply to pos t by Chu l ra

Thank you for posting that. No offense intended, OP, but focusing on the size of a

comet's nucleus alone, on top of getting that number from wikipedia is, and can be

in this situation, a grave error. Evidence shows the nucleus isn't the only thing that

has to be worried about.


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To the guys above how does that change anything in my post? so it has a tail of

900,000 km, and... what?

second line.

reply posted on 7-4-2011 @ 03:30 PM by Insearchofthetruth1987

more dis-info to confuse the masses great ^^

reply posted on 7-4-2011 @ 11:32 PM by vkturbo

reply to pos t by r oughy c annon

As i asked how did you come up with the info it was 4km wide where is it written

NASA haven't stated it

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 10:47 AM by 3dman7

There are still plenty of unknowns here. This apparently is an object with no

historical record.....unknown mass, size, material, trajectory, etc.We can only

speculate at this point. I'd like to see JPL forcast it like a hurricane....with a cone

type error graphic that gets tweaked as it gets closer and better defined.

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 12:28 PM by rationaluser

Originally posted by Insearchofthetruth1987

more dis-info to confuse the masses great ^^

Then don't post Dis-info ~

2nd line

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 02:53 AM by TheLegend


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Why are so many so terrified of this comet?

If it enters our atmosphere I'll headbutt that astronomical #*$@% back into deep

space.


Originally posted by vkturbo

reply topos t by r oughy c annon

As i asked how did you come up with the info it was 4km wide where is it written NASA

haven't stated it

The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet nucleus is 3-4 km in

diameter

Wiki

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 03:38 PM by Itop1

Originally posted by roughycannon



As i asked how did you come up with the info it was 4km wide where is it written NASA haven't stated it

The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet nucleus is 3-4

km in diameter

W i k i

1) It's an "estimation"

2) Hes an amateur


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es e on y source

4) He was most likely drunk on vodka when he made his "estimation"


Originally posted by Itop1



reply topost by r oughy c annon

As i asked ho w did you come up with the inf o it was 4km wide where is it written NASA haven't stated it

The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet nucleus is

3-4 km in diameter

W i k i


2) Hes an amateur

3) Hes the only source


So what if its an estimation, even if it was 1000km in size my thread still stands its

coming no-where near us.

He was most likely drunk on vodka when he made his "estimation"

What?

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 04:22 PM by Itop1


Originally posted by Itop1




As i asked how did you come up with the info it was 4km wide where is it written NASA haven't stated it

The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet

nucleus is 3-4 km in diameter

W i k i


2) Hes an amateur

3) Hes the only source


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So what if its an estimation, even if it was 1000km in size my thread still stands its

coming no-where near us.

He was most likely drunk on vodka when he made his "estimation"

What?

Do you know what follows behind a comet? Elenin doesnt need to come close to us

itself to cause problems, and even the experts are limited to how much they can

find out, they are also forever changing the trajectories of comets aswell, just

because something is 1km today, might be 2km tomorrow.

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 06:32 PM by Newbomb Turk

I made a thread about Comet Elenin here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sheesh

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 06:36 PM by Ironclad

Originally posted by grindhouzer

Thats assuming that it is only 4km diameter and we havnt been lied too...

Plus what about comet HONDA passing by around he exact same time...

that photo of elenin looks like a craft or something..??

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Yeah HONDA could pose a real problem if it hit Earth, because everyone knows

HONDAS go much Faster...


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reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 03:26 AM by fill0000

Originally posted by badgerman24

Very interesting. I am kinda thinking that it won't end all life as we know it but if it were to

be off and hit earth then it could cause alot of damage! imagine 4km hitting NYC it would

kill 1,000s if not more. I like the pictures that show it to scale though. Nice find.

1,000s? the figure is into the hundreds of millions.

reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 02:38 PM by Debunker75

reply to p o s t b y r o u g h y c a n n o n

Does this change it?

That's...what, about 50,000 miles across? And getting even bigger? That's a lot to

worry about :/

Source

April 8th at our observatory we carried out planned observations of Comet C/2010 X1

(Elenin). An analysis of the results of the observations shows a rapid growth of the

coma. Besides the internal compact gas envelope, the forming rarified external coma is

also visible in the image. Its diameter exceeds 1 minute of arc, or 80,000 km! It ispossible that such a rapid growth of the coma is associated with the apparent

superposition over it of the comets dust tail, which after opposition, still remains

invisible to the Earthly observer.

The brightness of the comet also has crossed the 16m boundary, and according to the

calculations of Artem Novichonok, has reached 15.4m. Such an estimate is supported

by the first visual observations of the comet by Jakub Koukal and Juan Jose Gonzalez

on the 4th and 5th of April respectively. It is worth noting that another well-known visual

comet observer, Alan Hale, 1995 co-discoverer of comet Hale-Bopp, was not able to

find Comet Elenin on April 5th with his 41-cm reflector

In the image at left still another event is captured the close approach of Comet Elenin

to asteroid 4336 Jasniewicz. Here the closeness of the objects, which are only 11 arc

minutes apart, is not an optical i llusion but a real physical closeness of two celestial

bodies. At the time the image was obtained, the distance between the comet and the

6-km asteroid was just 1,495,000 km (0.01 AU), which is only 3.9 times the averagedistance between the Earth and Moon (LD). Closest approach of the two objects was

several hours earlier; they were only 1,120,000 km apart (0.008 AU).

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Originally posted by Debunker75

reply top o s t b y r o u g h y c a n n o n

Does this change it?

That's...what, about 50,000 miles across? And getting even bigger? That's a lot to worry

about :/

Source

April8th atour observator we carried out plannedobservations ofCometC/2010 X1 (Elenin) Ananal sis ofthe


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.results of the observations s hows a rapid growth of the coma. Besides the internal compact gas envelope, theforming rarified external coma is also visible in the image. Its diameter exceeds 1 minute of arc, or 80,000 km! It ispossible that such a rapid growth of the coma is associated with the apparent superposition over it of the cometsdust tail, which after opposition, still remains invisible to the Earthly observer.

The brightness of the comet also has crossed the 16m boundary, and according to the calculations of ArtemNovichonok, has reached 15.4m. Such an estimate is supported by the first visual observations of the comet byJakub Koukal and Juan Jose Gonzalez on the 4th and 5th of April respectively. It is worth noting that anotherwell-known visual comet observer, Alan Hale, 1995 co-discoverer of comet Hale-Bopp, was not able to find CometElenin on April 5th with his 41-cm reflector

In the image at left still another event is captured the close approach of Comet Elenin to asteroid 4336Jasniewicz. Here the closeness of the objects, which are only 11 arc m inutes apart, is not an optical illusion but areal physical closeness of two celestial bodies. At the time the image was obtained, the distance between thecomet and the 6-km asteroid was just 1,495,000 km (0.01 AU), which is only 3.9 times the average distancebetween the Earth and Moon (LD). Closest approach of the two objects was several hours earlier; they were only1,120,000 km apart (0.008 AU).

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Thats not the comet itself but the coma Wiki

reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 04:26 PM by stereologist

reply to pos t by Chu l ra

You're confusing the solids with the gaseous envelope.

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reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 04:36 PM by Ghost375

Wikipedia says it's 4km. That must be right.

People who are worried about Elenin do not think that it's a comet. They think it's a

planet.

Even if it were 4km, that says nothing about it's mass. It could be 4km and still be

ten times the mass of earth. Black holes are known to be very small and still have

enormous mass.

Size tells you absolutely nothing about the mass. Mass causes the force of gravity,

not size.

This thread is a great example of disinfo.


Originally posted by Ghost375Wikipedia says it's 4km. That must be right.

People who are worried about Elenin do not think that it's a comet. They think it's a

planet.

Even if it were 4km, that says nothing about it's mass. It could be 4km and still be ten

times the mass of earth. Black holes are known to be very small and still have


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.

Size tells you absolutely nothing about the mass. Mass causes the force of gravity, not

size.


What are you talking about? lol if you want to be taken seriously on here do a bit

of basic research black holes gravity is not the same as gravity from a planet or

comet... think of the heaviest material and then the comets "mass" it wont ever be

heavier than that.


reply to pos t by Ghost37 5


Your post is a great example of disinfo. If the object in question were 10x the mass

of the Earth, then we'd see that the planets would not be moving in their predicted

orbits. That would have been seen years ago. That is not happening. Therefore, this

object has a small mass. If this object were a black hole as you suggest, then it

would not have a coma. Again, you are dispensing typical disinfo.



Originally posted by Ghost375Wikipedia says it's 4km. That must be right.People who are worried about Elenin do not think that it's a comet. They think it's a planet.

Even if it were 4km, that says nothing about it's mass. It could be 4km and still be ten times the mass of earth.Black holes are known to be very small and still have enormous mass.Size tells you absolutely nothing about the mass. Mass c auses the force of gravity, not size.This thread is a great example of disinfo.

What are you talking about? lol if you want to be taken seriously on here do a bit of

basic research black holes gravity is not the same as gravity from a planet or comet...

think of the heaviest material and then the comets "mass" it wont ever be heavier than

that.

So to be taken seriously I shouldn't say the truth? You're probably right.

Density is all that matters, it doesn't matter what the material is. Black holes are

super dense objects, that's why they force of gravity they exert is so high.

You are wrong, sir. Mass is the only thing that causes the force of gravity to occur,

that scientists know of. That includes black holes.


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reply to pos t by s te reo log is t

I didn't say that it was 10x the mass of earth. I said it's possible an object 4km

could be 10x the mass of the earth, it was hypothetical.

Wow you also said that I claimed it was a black hole? I clearly was using black holes

as an example, not claiming elenin was a black hole.

I believe elenin has one millionth the mass of earth. That means it WILL effect the

earth in relatively drastic ways.

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Originally posted by Ghost375


Originally posted by Ghost375Wikipedia says it's 4km. That must be right.People who are worried about Elenin do not think that it's a comet. They think it's a planet.

Even if it were 4km, that says nothing about it's mass. It could be 4km and still be ten times the mass of earth.Black holes are known to be very small and still have enormous mass.Size tells you absolutely nothing about the mass. Mass causes the force of gravity, not size.This thread is a great example of disinfo.

What are you talking about? lol if you want to be taken seriously on here do a bit of basic research black holes

gravity is not the same as gravity from a planet or comet... think of the heaviest material and then the comets"mass" it wont ever be heavier than that.

So to be taken seriously I shouldn't say the truth? You're probably right.

Density is all that matters, it doesn't matter what the material is. Black holes are super

dense objects, that's why they force of gravity they exert is so high.

You are wrong, sir. Mass is the only thing that causes the force of gravity to occur, thatscientists know of. That includes black holes.

Black holes are super dense objects, that's why they force of gravity they exert is so

high

The fact you have used the word "exert" in that statement alone is a reason why

you will be ignored on this thread.

I believe elenin has one millionth the mass of earth. That means it WILL effect the earth

in relatively drastic ways.

One millionth? can you give an equation...



NASA actually says somewhere that elenin is probably that heavy The effects

wouldn't be as huge as some claim, but it would most likely cause earthquakes.


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reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 06:04 PM by pazcat



NASA actually says somewhere that elenin is probably that heavy The effects wouldn'tbe as huge as some claim, but it would most likely cause earthquakes.

Brilliant.

Don't suppose you have a sauce for that ham sandwich.



I didn't say that it was 10x the mass of earth. I said it's possible an object 4km could be

10x the mass of the earth, it was hypothetical.

Fair enough, then the hypothetical high mass mentioned is impossible since it would

have caused the planets to move to positions other than the predicted positions.

That would have happened years ago. It did not therefore, the hypothetical is not

possible.

Wow you also said that I claimed it was a black hole? I clearly was using black holes as

an example, not claiming elenin was a black hole.

Fair enough. You mentioned black and that suggestion is also impossible since the

object in question is outgassing. Another possibility goes to file 13.

I believe elenin has one millionth the mass of earth. That means it WILL effect the earth

in relatively drastic ways. [.quote]

That amount of mass is small. How is it going to affect the Earth? Please tell us.



NASA actually says somewhere that elenin is probably that heavy The effects wouldn't

be as huge as some claim, but it would most likely cause earthquakes.

The moon barely affects earthquake activity on Earth. It is huge compared to Elenin.

It is much closer than the comet will ever be.

To claim it will cause earthquakes is false.



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NASA actually says somewhere that elenin is probably that heavy The effects wouldn't

be as huge as some claim, but it would most likely cause earthquakes.

You made that up, NASA never said that.

reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 06:25 PM by alfa1

Lets also clear up something I've seen mentioned a few times - that we cant trust

NASA.

Answer - you dont have to.

Comets have fanboys too. Lots of amateur astronomers around the world like toobserve comets and report what they've found on the internet. Anyone here

fortunate enough to have a few spare dollars and a bit of open space can do the

same. You dont have to trust the government on this one. Elenin is in the sky for

anyone to see who wants to bother.

This page has some photos of Elenin taken by amateurs, along with estimates of

brightness.

Link

heres another...

Link

heres another watcher...

Link

Lots of amateur astronomy message forums on the internet as well.

The simple fact is that if there was anything unusual about this comet - the

appearance, the position, the brightness, the orbit... whatever... there are lots of

people around the world who will notice.

You dont have to trust NASA.

The comet is in the sky for anyone to see.


Originally posted by alfa1

Lets also clear up something I've seen mentioned a few times - that we cant trust NASA.

Answer - you dont have to.


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Comets have fanboys too. Lots of amateur astronomers around the world like to observe

comets and report what they've found on the internet. Anyone here fortunate enough to

have a few spare dollars and a bit of open space can do the same. You dont have to

trust the government on this one. Elenin is in the sky for anyone to see who wants to

bother.

This page has some photos of Elenin taken by amateurs, along with estimates of

brightness.

Link

heres another...

Link

heres another watcher...

Link

Lots of amateur astronomy message forums on the internet as well.

The simple fact is that if there was anything unusual about this comet - the appearance,

the position, the brightness, the orbit... whatever... there are lots of people around the

world who will notice.

You dont have to trust NASA.

The comet is in the sky for anyone to see.

I tried to give you a million stars but I got a warning from the mod's of the site...

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:04 AM by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by cal71919

So, where did you get those figures from? I know there's alot of good people working at

NASA, but I just don't believe they themselves are getting data before it's been

"reviewed" and deemed suitable for civilian eyes. You have to remember , NASA is run

by the military and all data would be reviewed to fil ter out anything that would fall under

the "National Security" umbrella. I'm no expert on this and certainly don't want to comeoff as a conspiracy theorist. I just feel I/we the people have been lied to for decades by

the military, and most of the crooks in Washington. No offense to you(OP) on you info,

but I don't know you personally.

KEY WORDS : NASA IS RUN BY THE MILITARY ie Government Perps.

thats pretty much all you need to know

especial ly if you know anything about 9/11 and who dunnit


Originally posted by ressiv

russian astronomer was LEOnid Elenin...

hichlighted LEO =lion

comet elenin comes from lion constallation to us...

weird but sometimes things happen

except when you start adding up all the other "coincidences" like 3 major quakes

occurring on unique ELENIN EARTH SUN alignments, only a fool would ignore the

pattern, say no relation, and claim nothing suspect.

If nothing significant occurs between September to December 2011 related to a

major quake or catastrophic earth event that at the very least equals the Japan

event, then I will be the first to remind everyone that patterns mean nothing,

9nania and Sollogs predictions were probably just coincidence, and the 2012

h steria is ust that.


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Well in the image above it would be 83,789 pixels along the screen if you have a screen

resolution of 1280x720 you would have to have 65 monitors side by side to show how

far Pixel Elenin is from the earth seen on the left of the image...

65 monitors side by side! Look at the size of the moon in the pic above and then at Pixel

Elenin below:

Even if the comet has slight changes in its orbit the distances are so vast that it will still

come nowhere near us, and we wont have to worry about travelling through its tail or

any debris it brings with it, just look at it compared to the moon...

Most astronomers say that it wont be visible to the naked eye as it will be too dim but

you might be able to see it with a telescope.

Anyway hope you like the thread, peace out!

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I applaud the effort in your posting, but how exactly does it remotely address,

debunk or negate the evidence or concern as it relates to a UNIQUE Elenin

alignment thats possibly connected/related to or caused 3 major UNIQUE seismic

events?

In this case, even with all your research and data, the psychic predictions of 9nania

and Sollog are far more interesting and important to consider.


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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 03:20 AM by Mez353


Couldn't you say the same about a bullet being fired at a person from a gun half a

mile away? Bet it still hurts on impact. Nice presentation of your

discussion/argument btw but I don't see where you have taken into account the

velocity of the comet and the potential destruction that that velocity would cause on

earth or the moon.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 07:29 AM by weedwhacker

reply to p o s t b y t r u th s e e k r1 1 1 1

Rubbish.....where DOES this junk come from? Whose fertile imagination online?

Only to be be swallowed whole, by the gullible?

...like 3 major quakes occurring on unique ELENIN EARTH SUN alignments....

This is so ridiculous.....anyone with common sense can see it immediately.Forgetting, for the moment, NO so-called "alignment" with the comet, our planet

and the Sun!! (Total bull).

In any case......SIZE and MASS and DISTANCE. Elenin is at most 5-6 km in

diameter. A loose collection of mostly (dirty) water ice. HOW FAR AWAY right now?

Well, hang on, I'll check:

Well....AS OF March 1st, this article.....:

www.dailykos.com...

.....the comet Elenin was still 4 A.U. away!!! Do you understand the grand scale of

our Solar System? At all, even a little bit? As I write now, in April.....it is about as

far as the Asteroids....STILL FARTHER THAN MARS!!!!

Now, think real hard.....is there some sort of celestial mass near the Earth right

now? Much, much closer and MUCH MUCH bigger??

This comet has NO effect on the Earth, it is way too small and way too far away. It

will remain FAR away as it passes by.

PLEASE, try to learn some science and astronomy....because:

...only a fool would ignore....

...the opportunity to learn some facts, and then be able to see all these "Chicken

Little" fear-mongers all over the Internet for the fools that THEY are.....


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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 09:00 AM by The Asgard

Its worth noting back in 2007 that comet Holmes coma swelled to 1 Million KM or

about 70% the diameter of the sun. The nucleus was about 3.5 KM.

Comet Elenin sounds pretty much the same and we are still here.


Originally posted by weedwhacker

reply top o s t b y t r u th s e e k r1 1 1 1

Rubbish.....where DOES this junk come from? Whose fertile imagination online? Only to

be be swallowed whole, by the gullible?

but of course you have no evidence or argument as usual, to back up anythingyou're claiming.


...like 3 major quakes occ urring on unique ELENIN EARTH SUN alignments....

This is so ridiculous.....anyone with common sense can see it immediately. Forgetting,

for the moment, NO so-called "alignment" with the comet, our planet and the Sun!!

(Total bull).

since you're clearly uneducated in what you're criticizing and CLAIMING to be total

bull, yeah, its so ridiculous... its a FACT there were 3 unique elenin alignments that

connected to 3 major Earthquakes.

Its a FACT sollog and 9nania gave the exact details of the japan quake and even

nuke disaster.

Its also a FACT you're totally ignorant of these FACTS.


In any case......SIZE and MASS and DISTANCE. Elenin is at most 5-6 km in diameter. A

loose collection of mostly (dirty) water ice. HOW FAR AWAY right now? Well, hang on,

I'll check:

seeing how ignorant you are on the other points, please show evidence for that

claim. THANX


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Well....AS OF March 1st, this article.....:

w w w .d a i ly k o s .c om. . .

.....the comet Elenin was still4 A.U. away!!! Do you understand the grand scale of our

Solar System? At all, even a little bit? As I write now, in April.... .it is about as far as the

Asteroids....STILL FARTHER THAN MARS!!!!

Now, think real hard..... is there some sort of celestial mass near the Earth right now?

Much, much closer and MUCH MUCH bigger??

You have to be the most ignorant person so far on the subject of ELENIN as it

relates to the JAPAN QUAKE or anything you're responding to i've seen. and its

Typical of your M/O... Rob B already spanked you in the 9/11 forum and now you're

coming here for more spankings i guess.

This comet has NO effect on the Earth, it is way too small and way too far away. It

will remain FAR away as it passes by.

there's TONS of threads and hundreds of post on this subject your'e clearly ignorant

of. The FACT a unique alignment of Elenin connected to 3 super quakes in a row, is

evidence that supports the theory you CLAIM has no effect on earth and too far

away which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREMISE.

Originally posted by weedwhackerPLEASE, try to learn some science and astronomy....because:

PLEASE TRY TO LEARN ABOUT AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE FACTS OF WHAT

YOU CRITICIZE.

YOU'RE CLUELESS.


...only a fool would ignore....

...the opportunity to learn some facts, and then be able to see all these "Chicken Little"

fear-mongers all over the Internet for the fools that THEY are.....

The only FOOLS are those who criticize things they know nothing about and can't

support their claims or disprove facts and evidence with facts and evidence.

Now move along and stop trolling this forum

edit on 14-4-2011 by truthseekr1111 because: (no reason given)


Originally posted by Mez353


Couldn't you say the same about a bullet being fired at a person from a gun half a mile

away? Bet it still hurts on impact. Nice presentation of your discussion/argument btw but

I don't see where you have taken into account the velocity of the comet and the potential

destruction that that velocity would cause on earth or the moon.

Erm what? do you not think velocity hasn't been calculated along with the sun's

gravitational pull to show the comets path?

Comets path


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Thank you for your post sir! I have emailed the thousands of scientists and

astronomers the world over including NASA and they all can't believe they didn't

think of calculating the velocity in their calculations, I heard there was one big

unanimous "face palm" among them...

reply posted on 17-4-2011 @ 03:30 PM by tooo many pills


A 4km comet would still wipeout 90% of civilization.


Originally posted by tooo many pills


A 4km comet would still wipeout 90% of civilization.

So what does that have to do with the fact its not coming near us?

And BTW a 4km comet would do some damage but it wouldn't wipe out 90% of the

population you lunatic.



If it hit Earth, it would easily be an extinction level event, and as to what

percentage of the planet dies depends on how fast the 4km Elenin is traveling at the

time of impact.

EXCEPT that it's not 4km, the source of your 4km size comet is from an estimate in

a post on a blog, I think it is safe to assume your projected path is ludicrous too as

its been changed a few times by NASA already.

LeonidOS says:

%A %B %e%q, %Y at %I:%M %p

At now we cant tall accurate size of comet nucleus. By my estimate about 3-4 km in

diameter, perhaps less

But comet nucleus surrounding by extensive gaseous coma in many times larger than

nucleus.

spaceobs.org...

So, your thread, "Coment Elenin size, distance and scale explained," should be

entitled "Da Sun N Earth is Way Bigger Dan Da Comet, No Fears Yall!" Goofball

style, cool story bro. I think it's safe to say youre the lunatic for basing your

thread's information on nothing and then trying to get away with it.

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reply to p o s t b y t o o o ma n y p i l l s

Hi I dont usually reply to stupid people who I have already explained things to but I

will...

Do you know what a nucleus is?

The fact that you have linked to the very evidence that proves you are wrong is

sooooooo funny you noob!

I have linked to this site before but you "stupoid's" ( a new word I made up ) didn't

bother to read it....

Leonids FAQ

reply posted on 17-4-2011 @ 05:12 PM by digitalf

Originally posted by Alpal


Nibiru??

Nothing is going to destroy the earth in 2012 ... a calendar ends and a new one

begins.

As for the OP, appreciate the time and effort gone into the post, easy to understand

and pictures always paint a thousand words. You seem quite passionate about

science and this comet in particular and it shows in your posts, including this one.

S+F



No... I have no idea what a nucleus is ...really? The tail is huge, all Comet's tails

are enormous compared the size of their physical center. But, I didn't say anything

about that... did I?

However, you are basing your entire thread on one single estimate of its size. The

statement of the size of the Elenin's nucleus on that website was in a comment to

one of the articles (not even a full article). This is what Wiki and you linked to, and

that post was just a complete rough estimate!

They don't have the actual size of the Comet Elenin's nucleus yet. So, for you just to

imply that "you're all idiots" on the basis that the comet isn't even the size of a


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single pixel compared to a picture of the Sun and Earth is complete dis-info, as it

means absolutely nothing. Because even if the 4km diameter hypothesis was

correct and it hit Earth at 86,000 km/hr the kinetic energy release would still cause

a MASSIVE extinction level event. Wait, can pixels do that?

Since, they found it less than 5 months ago and are still collecting data I am sure

the size, speed, and trajectory are still subject to change, as it already has done

before. Now its trajectory doesnt look likely to be on path to enter the Earths orbit,

but its relative distance from us at the time of intersection and the possible +or-

errors suggests that it is not improbable to think it wont come very close.

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reply posted on 17-4-2011 @ 06:51 PM by thorazineshuffle

I think the fear is not it hitting us, but rather, the debris traveling with it hitting us.

reply posted on 17-4-2011 @ 06:54 PM by weedwhacker


This is about the dumbest thing yet, about this comet:

You have to be the most ignorant person so far on the subject of ELENIN as it relates to

the JAPAN QUAKE or anything you're responding to i've seen. and its Typical of your

M/O... Rob B already spanked you in the 9/11 forum and now you're coming here for

more spankings i guess.

You don't even read what you copy/paste and quote back???

Still, continue on the nonsense that a tiny ball of ice and rocks that is farther away

than MARS can "cause" earthquakes on our planet??? Face/Palm.....The MOON has

more gravitational influence, by many, many, many orders of magnitude!! Heck

even the Sun does!! THINK about it....try, try to be rational.

Let's get one thing clear, at least trying this: Agree that the SUN is much, much

bigger than Comet Elenin? Yes? Getting it, now? Therefore, a HUGE difference in

mass...yes?? OK.....the SUN is always...ALWAYS about one AU from us. That is

what defines an Astronomical Unit, our average orbital radius. Comet Elenin

is....now, pay attention....FARTHER AWAY from us, than the SUN is. Now,

recall....which one has a HUGE, GIGANTIC, BIGGER mass???

Does this sink in, yet?

Oh, and "Rob B" is a sad excuse for a pilot. Bit of a lunatic, actually....funny that

YOU should have agreed with his idiotic nonsense in the other threads....because

showing a similar lack of comprehension here speaks volumes....

reply posted on 17-4-2011 @ 07:04 PM by weedwhacker

reply to p o s t b y t h o ra z in e s h u f f l e

...fear ..... the debris traveling with it hitting us....


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Absolutely ZERO danger, at all.

But, what makes you think it has "debris traveling with it" anyway??

A bit of out-gassing, some atoms and molecules of very, very tenuous and diffuse

gases? Maybe, maybe a bit of tiny dust particles. As is the case with previous close

encounters (and this one has an inclination that pretty much keeps it "above" the

ecliptic as it crosses our orbit) any passing through those dust and even pebble

sized (if there are any) objects will just result in a spectacular light show. Our

atmosphere protects us....we are constantly being bombarded by meteoroids, of

many sizes, every day.

The several thousand observations made, by now, of the orbit of Elenin indicate that

its not "orbiting" our Sun.....its trajectory is hyperbolic. So, as it "falls" inward,

accelerating, it will make a turn around, due to the Sun's gravity....and its outward

journey will be "open".....it will exit the Solar System, forever.

It is therefore logical to assume that this object has not come inward before....this

is its first sojourn into the "heat" of a star's influence. That is what will, over time

and repeat visits, cause a comet to develop a substantial bunch of "stuff" that orbits

with it....smaller pieces, again pebbles or smaller, usually.

BUT....first time visitor? Likely will be quite intact, mostly. Depends on what

develops as it spends those months down around the Mercury distance, or so....



reply top o s t b y t r u th s e e k r1 1 1 1

This is about the dumbest thing yet, about this comet:

You have to be the most ignorant person so far on the subject of ELENIN as it relates to

the JAPAN QUAKE or anything you're responding to i've seen. and its Typical of your

M/O... Rob B already spanked you in the 9/11 forum and now you're coming here for

more spankings i guess.

actually that particular comment wasn't really about the comet, but about your

spanking in the 9/11 forum by ROB B.


You don't even read what you copy/paste and quote back???.

obviously you're the one that isn't.


Still, continue on the nonsense that a tiny ball of ice and rocks that is farther away than

MARS can "cause" earthquakes on our planet??? .

You can make claims and ignore the evidence that supports my argument and

premise all you want... it won't change the facts that validate what I'm arguing

which you haven't even remotely addressed or debunked.

Moving on...


Face/Palm.....The MOON has more gravitational influence, by many, many, many

orders of magnitude!! Heck even the Sun does!! THINK about it....try, try to be rational..


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reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 03:18 AM by heineken

Comet Elenin is only a distraction..wait until it hits MSM next Autumn..

Thank you for your thread OP..

Sometimes though I really think that they made it look so fishy for a reason.... there

might be a REAL problem lurking around than...next Solar Storm?


what i meant with my previous post i mean come on..

- Shut down NAZA Buzz Room after some report of very close approach by Elenin

- Google Sky Black Box happens to be obscuring where the comet may lurk

- There is little or no info about Leonid Elenin the discoverer

- They mentioned a lot a 3600 year period for comet Elenin

- They held too long to release pictures when I believe they were in their hands long

before

- They mentioned the TAIL a lot...i still cant figure out what tail a 4km comet can

produce

- Leonid Elenin popping up on every public internet source, Facebook..etc...all

showing different style of English

is it really our fault we got a bit suspicious after all??


Originally posted by heineken




- There is l ittle or no info about Leonid Elenin the discoverer



before


produce

- Leonid Elenin popping up on every public internet source, Facebook..etc...all showing

different style of English


I totally agree mate.. nice little thread going on here addressing this subject

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 05:59 AM by NyxOne


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Originally posted by heineken




- There is l ittle or no info about Leonid Elenin the discoverer



before


produce

- Leonid Elenin popping up on every public internet source, Facebook..etc...all showing

different style of English


No-one mentioned a 3,600 year orbital period except for idiots with poisonedminds. It's as few as 10,000, and as much as over half a million years.

Elenin is not in Orion, it's between Leo and Sextans, and, well, here's a small fact,

Comet Hyakutake, a comet with a 2km-wide nucleus, created a tail over 500 million

kilometers in length. 900,000, in Elenin's case, is nothing.

And, well, if you feel that Leonid is being duplicitous, you can always go to the very

site he manages and talk to him.

Come back when you get your # straight.

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reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 06:45 AM by weedwhacker


Huh?

"Has nothing to do with the issue"????

Pay attention:


OK.....the SUN is always...ALWAYS about one AU from us. That is what defines an

Astronomical Unit, our average orbital radius. Comet Elenin is....now, pay

attention....FARTHER AWAY from us, than the SUN is. Now, recall....which one has a

HUGE, GIGANTIC, BIGGER mass???.

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Has NOTHING to do with the issue.

NOW.....look at it again. THIS thread, BTW.....is :

***Comet Elenin size, distance and scale explained.***

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-

So.....tell us again, how the above quoted by ME has "NOTHING" to "do with the

issue"???

This shows WHY some people are so easily deluded by the kinds of people like Rob

Balsamo. He, and his ilk spread lies and disinformation....(AND, this fools those

who really don't know much about aviation) .....which is what's seen on THIS

ISSUE, re: Comet Elenin.....and astronomy, astrophysics and, well....just COMMON

SENSE!!!

It is sad to see so many remain ignorant and superstitious, and exhibit their

gullibility.... swallowing every silly "claim" written on the Internet.

Just to recall: My example using the SUN, and its distance and mass, compared to

the Comet Elenin, and ITS distance and mass, is in direct response to the ridiculous

claims y ou repeated (among others) of some so-called "alignment" of Elenin

"causing" earthquakes!!!

Absolutely idiotic rubbish....it is astonishing that someone of normal intelligence

would read that somewhere online, and fall for it so readily....and not THINK it

through logically.

So, just to nail how EXACTLY my example ("thought experiment")...an exercise in

logical, critical thinking is relevant:

ANY claims that Elenin can "cause" earthquakes are shown to be nonsense, when

you understand that its mass is woefully insufficient, in comparison to the

Sun...(And, well...the Moon too, by the way..) and especially considering its

distance.

Is this so difficult to comprehend????

"Comet Hysteria" is not a new phenomenon. It is borne out of abject ignorance,

irrational fear, and superstition:

THIS was written back in 1996....not only was a comet "approaching" then (comet

Hyakutake in 1996, followed by Hale-Bopp in 1997) but the silliness about the

approaching "End of the Millennium" was spooling up, and making people act like

morons.

Comet Hysteria and the Millennium:

A Commentary

*The comet of 79 was blamed for the eruption of Vesuvius that led to the destruction

of the ci ties of Pompeii and Herculaneum.

*Halley's Comet of 1066 was hanging in the sky for two months while the English and

Normans were planning for an invasion. At the Battle of Hastings a few months later

the Normans emerged as victors and from that time on the comet was said to have

been a sign that favored William the Conqueror.

*The comet of 1665 was said to have been responsible for the Black Plague that

killed 90 thousand people in London.

*The appearance of Halley's Comet in 1835 was blamed for several things, including

the fall of the Alamo, the destruction of 530 buildings in New York City because of a

fire that raged for several days and nights, the massacre of over 280 people in

Africa by ten thousand Zulu warriors, and wars that erupted in Cuba, Mexico,

Equador, Central America, Peru, Argentina, and Bolivia.

These stories are basically examples of hindsight, or links that were made by

modern people to explain things in the past.....

2000 years ago, 500 years ago, maybe even can accept 100 years ago......science


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now e ge was terr e, an ac ng. T ere s NO EXCUSE or suc gnorance,

today!!!!! Not with the easily available resources at one's disposal.

Another bit from the essay, linked above. (SEE if any of this sounds "famliar"....):

The "Doomsday Comet" of 1996

Beginning in 1996 minor forms of comet hysteria reared their ugly head for the first

time since 1910. With the discovery of comet Hyakutake and the realization that it

would pass close to Earth, some supermarket tabloids reported the comet was

actually going to hit Earth--totally ignoring the predictions of astronomers. The due

date came and went without a hitch and there was no further discussion.

Interestingly, one supermarket tabloid, the Weekly World News, published an article

on 1996 February 13 that s tated the Hubble Space Telescope had found a

"doomsday comet." The artic le said "the famed astronomer Dr. Robert Cremson" had

found the comet while examining Hubble images. He said it was the size of Europe

and would hit Earth on April 7. First of all, although comets have been photographed

by Hubble, no comet has ever been discovered by Hubble. Second, no one by the

name of "Robert Cremson" appears in any of the records indicating use of the

Hubble Space Telescope.....

How will all of you "fear mongers" and "doomsday beleivers" feel this time, next

year?? When NOTHING happens (except a nice view, once-in-a-lifetime in this

case....this comet won't be coming back).

Will any of those ridiculous claims be retracted? Will any who made them learn their

lessons?

(I highly doubt it, based on historical precedents.......).


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reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 06:57 AM by thorazineshuffle

reply to p o s t b y w e e d wh a c k e r

So, since elenin is a one trick pony, perhaps it is the one prophesized to arrive as a

warning for something bigger to come.


Originally posted by NyxOne

Originally posted by heinekenwhat i meant with my previous post i mean come on..



- There is little or no info about Leonid Elenin the discoverer


- They held too long to release pictures when I believe they were in their hands long before

- They mentioned the TAIL a lot...i still cant figure out what tail a 4km comet can produce

- Leonid Elenin popping up on every public internet source, Facebook..etc...all showing different style of English

is it really our fault we got a bit sus picious after all??

No-one mentioned a 3,600 year orbital period except for idiots with poisoned minds. It's

as few as 10,000, and as much as over half a mi llion years.

Elenin is not in Orion, it's between Leo and Sextans, and, well, here's a small fact,

Comet Hyakutake, a comet with a 2km-wide nucleus, created a tail over 500 million

kilometers in length. 900,000, in Elenin's case, is nothing.

And, well, if you feel that Leonid is being duplicitous, you can always go to the very site

he manages and talk to him.

Come back when you get your # straight.



having such a long orbit..i really but really hope your intelligence can put you on

Comet Elenin and go for a nice ride...hopefully we will not be here when you' will be

back


reply to p o s t b y t r u t h s e ek r 1 1 1 1

tnks for the tip...i will be enjoying a nice cup of green tea with that thread

Edit to add : gave already my little contribution to the cause...i'm with ya bro

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reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 08:12 AM by pretty_vacant


Thank you! Because somehow I was under the impression that Elenin was twice the

size of Jupiter and I was thinking of all the raving lunatics who actually thought that

Elenin would collide with Earth and the Earth wouldn't be completely obliterated!

Comprehensive and compelling S&F!

reply posted on 19-4-2011 @ 06:33 AM by The Asgard

Originally posted by pretty_vacant


Thank you! Because somehow I was under the impression that Elenin was twice the size

of Jupiter and I was thinking of all the raving lunatics who actually thought that Elenin

would collide with Earth and the Earth wouldn't be completely obliterated!

Comprehensive and compelling S&F!

Thats probably with reference to the coma.

The coma gas fluoresces and the dust scatters sunlight. A typical coma is about

100,000 kilometres (62,000 miles) across.

reply posted on 19-4-2011 @ 07:36 AM by Nonchalant

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The problem with weedwhacker is he makes assumptions.

No-one knows for sure how big 'elenin' is - hell most people dont even know what it

is let alone how BIG it is...but along comes weedwhacker to assure us all its

nothing...just a speck in the cosmos.

The fact that hasnt been addressed in ANY thread in ANY forum here is why major

earthquakes occurred when 'elenin' was aligned with the Earth and the Sun. Is that

just coincidence? I doubt it.


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reply posted on 19-4-2011 @ 04:17 PM by Xcalibur254

reply to pos t by Noncha lan t

We know that Elenin is most likely between four and five km in size. This is the

average size for comets. However, we have observed that Elenin's coma and tail

are smaller than average, which may indicate that it is in fact smaller than 4 km. As

for these so called alignments, there weren't any. Elenin is still millions of miles

above the Earth and the Sun. Furthermore, if you look at the JPL model for the

dates in question and try to draw a straight line from Elenin to Earth to the Sun you

will find it is impossible. This indicates that even if space wasn't 3D and even if

Elenin wasn't millions of miles above us there still wouldn't have been an alignment.

reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 12:14 PM by ConcreteAngel1

Originally posted by Nonchalant

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No-one knows for sure how big 'elenin' is - hell most people dont even know what it is

let alone how BIG it is...but along comes weedwhacker to assure us all its nothing...just

a speck in the cosmos.

The fact that hasnt been addressed in ANY thread in ANY forum here is why major

earthquakes occurred when 'elenin' was aligned with the Earth and the Sun. Is that just

coincidence? I doubt it.

I agree.

reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 03:55 PM by Nonchalant

Originally posted by Xcalibur254

reply topos t by Noncha lan t

Furthermore, if you look at the JPL model for the dates in question and try to draw a

straight line from Elenin to Earth to the Sun you will f ind it is impossible. This indicates

that even if space wasn't 3D and even if Elenin wasn't millions of miles above us there

still wouldn't have been an alignment.


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And this is where I have some doubt about alignment claims being responsible for

the earthquakes. I agree with you - though the planets and 'comet' were aligned on

the day of the quakes Ive not seen any proof yet they were perpendicular to each

other. And I think the 'odds' of this being true are slim. Its still a bit unusual they

were 'a ligned' nonetheless.

reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 08:08 PM by vkturbo

reply to pos t by Noncha lan t

Isn't the biggest factor with this comet that NASA hasn't stated a size of it yet or it's

composition so it could be made of heavier materials which has more of a weight

effect.

All I keep asking is where does it say from a reputable source what the size of this

comet is? Don't give me anything that has WIKI in it as that isn't a real source.

reply posted on 20-4-2011 @ 09:02 PM by truthseekr1111


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Huh?

Originally posted by weedwhackerOK.....the SUN is always...ALWAYS about one AU from us. That is what defines an Astronomical Unit, ouraverage orbital radius. Comet Elenin is....now, pay attention....FARTHER AWAY from us, than the SUN is. Now,recall....which one has a HU GE, GIGANTIC, BIGGER mass???.

Originally posted by truthseekr1111Has NOTHING to do with the issue.

NOW.....look at it again. THIS thread, BTW.....is :

***Comet Elenin size, distance and scale explained.***(GO BACK AND RE-READ THE OPENING POST!!!)

So.....tell us again, how the above quoted by ME has "NOTHING" to "do with the

issue"???

This shows WHY some people are so easily deluded by the kinds of people like Rob

Balsamo. He, and his ilk spread lies and disinformation....(AND, this fools those who

really don't know much about aviation) .....which is what's seen on THIS ISSUE, re:

Comet Elenin.....and astronomy, astrophysics and, well.... just COMMON SENSE!!!

"Has nothing to do with the issue"????

Pay attention:

the only one not paying attention is YOU... the ISSUE INCLUDES what I've been

talking about in my REPLY to the OP and what you chose to RESPOND TO ... So stop

trying to DEFLECT and DIVERT the ISSUE which has to do with EVIDENCE that a

unique ALIGNMENT of Elenin sun appear to be responsible for

causing 3 MAJOR GREAT QUAKES that occurred. The evidence shows a PATTERN

thats IRREFUTABLE and anyone who denies there's a pattern is either in DENIAL or

spreading THE REAL DISINFO... and since you've been a known peddler of disinfo

who NEVER QUESTIONS the GOVERNMENT and nearly ever post you've ever made

SUPPORTS the government and ATTACKS anyone legitimately QUESTIONING

OBVIOUS FLAWS or contradictions to OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CLAIMS, its beyond

obvious to anyone with a brain who's examined all the content of your postings, that

you are nothing but a PSEUDO-SKEPTIC with a hidden agenda.

Now address the ISSUE i and others have raised that relate to ELENIN in respect to

it having an apparent effect on earth changes like SEISMIC events that have


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occurre ur ng a spec c a gnmen w c sugges s s arger an n a

calculations which astronomers have even said its size cannot yet be confirmed!


It is sad to see so many remain ignorant and superstitious, and exhibit their gullibility... .

swallowing every silly "claim" written on the Internet.

Which is exactly what a DISINFO AGENT or someone IGNORANT and in DENIAL of

the facts and evidence proving otherwise, would say.


Just to recall: My example using the SUN, and its distance and mass, compared to the

Comet Elenin, and ITS distance and mass, is in direct response to the ridiculous claims

yourepeated (among others) of some so-called "alignment" of Elenin "causing"

earthquakes!!!

The UNIQUE Alignments and UNIQUE quakes that occurred around and during such

perfect alignments, is irrefutable if not compelling EVIDENCE based on a UNIQUE

and REAL PATTERN thats happened which PROVES your assertion there was NO

ALIGNMENT to be false if not a LIE.


Absolutely idiotic rubbish....it is astonishing that someone of normal intelligence would

read that somewhere online, and fall for it so readily....and not THINK it through

logically.

the only RUBBISH is being spewed by those like YOU who DENY IRREFUTABLE

FACTS AND EVIDENCE supporting an argument. Only someone of ABNORMAL

intelligence would DENY there's ANY evidence supporting the hypothesis/theory and

resort to AD HOMS and person attacks (a typical TACTIC you use) as a method to

debunk arguments instead of using logic, facts and evidence to support your

arguments and claims something is rubbish.

Your disinfo tactics and inability to use critical thinking skills, are beyond obvious to

anyone with an ounce of intelligence.


So, just to nail how EXACTLY my example ("thought experiment")...an exercise in

logical, critical thinking is relevant:

ANY claims that Elenin can "cause" earthquakes are shown to be nonsense, when you

understand that its mass is woefully insufficient, in comparison to the Sun...(And,

well...the Moon too, by the way..) and especially considering its distance.

Is this so diff icult to comprehend????

The only one that clearly has comprehension problems about the argument i've

presented is YOU since no where have i said that ELENIN is causing earthquakes as

you're claiming and incorrectly interpreting. Just because you lack the intellectual

ability to understand the issue and argument, isn't my fault.


"Comet Hysteria" is not a new phenomenon. It is borne out of abject ignorance, irrational

fear, and superstition:

My concern along with HUNDREDS of others if not thousands of others and soon tobe MILLIONS of others, has nothing to do with comet hysteria or SUPERSTITION!...

it has to do with both 2 psychics whose predictions were validated AND a unique

alignment that occurred which demonstrates a pattern and real possibility that THIS

hypothesis has merit based upon scientific theories about celestial bodies magnetic

fields affecting EARTHS tectonic plates which in this case occurred during or around

a uni ue ali nment of ELENIN 3 F#%ckin times!


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WE AREN'T IN THE EFFIN DARK AGES PAL! WE HAVE SCIENTIFIC TOOLS to

MEASURE and SEE and collect DATA or EVIDENCE now... That alone destroys your

ridiculous "comet hysteria" Rubbish.


THIS was written back in 1996....not only was a comet "approaching" then (comet

Hyakutake in 1996, followed by Hale-Bopp in 1997) but the silliness about the

approaching "End of the Millennium" was spooling up, and making people act like

morons.

*The comet of 79was blamed for the eruption of Vesuvius that led to

the destruction of the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum.

*Halley's Comet of 1066was hanging in the sky for two months while

the English and Normans were planning for an invasion. At the Battle of

Hastings a few months later the Normans emerged as victors and from

that time on the comet was said to have been a sign that favored

William the Conqueror.

*The comet of 1665was said to have been responsible for the Black

Plague that killed 90 thousand people in London.

*The appearance ofHalley's Comet in 1835was blamed for several

things, including the fall of the Alamo, the destruction of 530 buildings

in New York City because of a fire that raged for several days and

nights, the massacre of over 280 people in Africa by ten thousand Zulu

warriors, and wars that erupted in Cuba, Mexico, Equador, Central

America, Peru, Argentina, and Bolivia.

These stories are basically examples of hindsight, or links that were

made by modern people to explain things in the past.....

2000 years ago, 500 years ago, maybe even can accept 100 years ago......science

knowledge was terrible, and lacking. There is NO EXCUSE for such ignorance, today!!!!!

Not with the easily available resources at one's disposal.

Another bit from the essay, linked above. (SEE if any of this sounds "famliar"....):

The "Doomsday Comet" of 1996

Beginning in 1996 minor forms of comet hysteria reared their ugly head

for the first time since 1910. With the discovery ofcomet Hyakutake

and the realization that itwould pass close to Earth, some

supermarket tabloids reported the comet was actually going to hit

Earth--totally ignoring the predictions of astronomers. The due date

came and went wit

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