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outcome with legal force under the Convention applicable to all Parties and to communicate them well
in advance of the 21st session of the Conference of Parties [(by the first quarter of 2015 by those parties
in position to do so)] in a manner that facilitates clarity, transparency and understanding of the intended
commitments.
2c To request the Ad Hoc Working Group on the Durban Platform for Enhanced Action to identify by the
20th session of the Conference of the Parties, the information that Parties willprovide when putting
forward their commitments referred to in paragraph 2b above.
Short summary of negotiations up to the short huddle
*with reservation for faults in the summary until this text is removed*
Main element being discussed is paragraf 2 b.
To invite all Parties to initiate or intensify domestic preparations for their intended nationally
determined commitments towards achieving the ultimate objective of the Convention and to
communicate them well in advance of the twenty-first session of the Conference of the Parties in a
manner that facilitates the clarity, transparency and understanding of the intended commitments;
In the discussion concerning paragraf 2b, there is a clear division between two blocks. ALBA + LMG +
BASIC vs AILAC + EU + UG.
What the first mentioned blocks wants is to keep the more domestic approach on commitments
introduced by the ADP outcome. Meaning a bottom up national approach. They do want to keep the
standard provisions of the convention, keeping the annex definitions the way the were declared in rio
1992.
The second block wants to keep the top down approach on a national level. The block also wants to
redefine standard provisions of the convention, due to the changes that countries have experienced in
the past 20 years.
What we can take from earlier negotiations this week is that second block have compromised a lot on
the standard provisions of the convention. What to take out of this is that it is probably more likely that
BASIC will give away on the way to approach commitments in the ADP outcome.
Thanks to Ties Mouven, NL youth delegate, for providing an expert update.
Summary of second battering
Three key issues,
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1st Whether to include ultimate objective of the convention in 2b
2nd whether to keep the annexes
3rd whether to keep natural targets
Chairs went to draft new text, venezuela made sure to gather countries in a new huddle and came up
with a new draft on an addition in the form of 2(d)
Second round of discussions of the 22nd of novemeber between approximately 19.00 and 20.50
Lacking some parts of the beginning. We werent in the room.
Dominican Republic
4e, comment from Switzerlandkeep to developed countries, but add something on support for
other countries to do so?
Move commitments to COP20 -> specific date.
Suggest compromise: 2b, 1st line to: To invite all Parties to initiate or intensify national preparations for
their intended commitments, also change facilitate to ensure
2C: June 2014 instead of cop20
Yada yada essential to keep working.
We feel your text has indeed brought us together Its the closest marker that us in these room, and
indeed our generation
Nicaragua:
All future agreements must be under and within the convention, built up since Rio etc. We must
resist the attempt to open doors that lead outside the convention.
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Mentions pre 2020 financing as essential to ensure post-2020 ditto.
Its irresponsible to ensure commitment that we dont have the means to fulfil, finance, capacity
building technollogy.
Private finance searching isnt so much really looking for private sector finance, as its looking to avoid
public sector finance. And we need public sector finance.
The fact that its hard to establish past emissions (?) shoudnt let us live historical responsibility aside,
but (Durban intentions) on both former, current and future emissions should be taken into account?
Note the Ban Ki-Moon summit. (something about Doha outcome) Summit can be a Copenhagen
moment undercutting Lima because of document arriving outside normal negotiating process. BKM
summit must be transparent. We must ensure that the COP is a summit meeting. The fact that orld
leaders are not here today, is due to the increasing irrelevance of this forum We need negotiations,
not impositions.. We need world leaders present in Lima. We need World leaders present in Paris.
Guatemala:
Annex should be kept, referred into A. Important to have indicative eements of what we will discuss
in 2014.
Encourages all to show more leadership outside this room
Minimal changes to 2b, slightly increasing level of ambition. Missed the details due to computer
struggles
Chair: Thank you I am now leaving the word to:
Russia:
Something about national intended commitmentsbut not easy to follow what he is sayingWe do
not see clear criteria for the commitments.
Bangladesh
Good progress so far, we are actually seeing very encouraging movements towards agreement
2b: Strongly feel dominican republic suggestion is constructive and fair, can accept it.
Sense of urgency needs to be added to the text
Elements put forward by LDC, AIOSIS, AILAC should be taken forward?
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Chile on behalf of AILAC
comment on trinidad, dominican republic
Could work with Dominican Republic proposal.
2c: After the information for arties to consider, propose replacing consider with put forward. Will
read the parties to put forward their commitments
Chair:
Malaysia
Associate with previous LDC statements.
Associate with Trinidad and Tobago, points out that pre-2020 ambition is missing.
Two kinds of conditionalities to address this problem
Political conditionalities
-Solved with political will
Functional conditionalities
-Didnt follow : (
Finance text came out this evening, and we see no sense of urgency in the ambition of this texts.
Adaptation, mitigation, loss and damage is behind
Asks on what basis developing(?) countries should make pledges for post 2020 mitigation, when theres
no known ways of achieving?
Questions the ability to plan for post 2020 action before action between 2013-2020 is decided.
Echo sentiment of Singapore, move to where the mood is positive
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Referring to 4 (se link in the beginning)
Barriers, incentives, capacity
4.c 3 () high mitigation potential sorry lost that (we are recording as well)
urgency is great and the likeminded group are ready to continue working with you and your
negotiation parties to come to an agreement
Co-chair
some things Weve heardover, and over, and over, and over, and over, was that five times? Ill make
one moreand over.
Followed by laughter (some)
Look at the time and the date, this is the last day of the cop.
No repetition please, I want solutions. I want suggestive text.
Philippines
Thank you.
I will not repeat what has been said by many colleagues.
I am compelled to take the floor after developments tonight.
We are not working from the delicate balance that weve been striving to acheieve in this process.
What is passed in darkness, is the willingness to be ambitious.
Especially in the process of the pre 2020 actions.
Context of the pre-2020 period: Philippines views this as the last chance for develoopedcountries to
step up to the plate and take responsibility
This text (adp). While i thank you deeply,I think were moving forward here, however we still dont see
ambition
Where is ambition without ernest and forward *what? action?+
I must stress that the post 2020 discussion only is relevant with serious pre 2020 ambition.
THe world is not asking for action in 2020, the world is asking for us to take action now
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We hear worries from the outside world. We know the outside worls also has expectations. The outside
world also has needs.
Something on the post 2020 and pre 2020 worlds being the same reality.
I thought the outside world is the same outside world for us, but I am afraid that we do not all live in the
same reality.
Bolivia
Thank you good night etc.
I wont provide more texts, we have provided all texts needed.
Let me delivier a message to close my participation:
We were hearing to them, they where outside with cardboards saying wheer is the finance? Those
civil society orgs that decided to withdra from the cop, presented a release qhere they sid they whre
concerned, they where angry vecause theres nothing on L&D, nothing on finance, nothing on the
transfer of technology.
We have to have a clear amount, clear commmitments of developed countries
Some of the people outside held up cartons saying where is the finance
There is nothing on loss and damage, on finance, on transferring technology.
How can we advance without this. We have to discuss this in complete terms.
I have in my hands, the draft of the GCF (green climate fund, expected to be filled with 100billion dollars
yearly by 2020) guidelines beeing provided in the plenary 2. Theres nothing complete except abstract
parts.
There is no possibility to say that there are no financial conditions in developed countries. There is
money for other activities that are not related to climate change. There os money for spying. There is
money for war.
You know how much money is spent by the north atlantic treaty organisation?
3 trillion dollars per year.
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1 trillion is ten years of 100 billion yearly of GCF
Let me leave this message: that we have to have a clear commitment on this, otherwise we will not have
a clear to work with this
- adaptation
- mitigation
- loss and damage
Venezuela
thank you Very difficult task, we have not made it easier. Were representing nationali interests, we
are not in high school, we are not here to make firends.
If 2015 happens, it will be the most ambitious (ever? last 20 yrs?)
Noone is fooling themselves about the economical implications that these affects will have. Especially in
the developing world
surprisingly right now (developing countris) are taking more mitigation actions than developed countres.
To chair? You have in your hands the last minutes of this cop, to make it a successful cop.
Calling every single party to be very delicate with every single world used, in order not to start the
blaming game, this is such a complicated agreement
I have ot inform you to be fair, that one representative f a lagre gruop of developed countries 8) went
to media to accuse the LDC for being obstucive in this rocess.
Countries who wants to agree represents 50% of the world.
We are not litlte countries. We represent 50% of people on earth.
Having to struggle with poverty, etc.
We have countries like the Philippines in our group.
No one that is actually currently violating something, s going to be believed that theyre going to compy
with something in the future.
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I do not know what the future is going to be, I do not know if I am going to be alive in 2020 noone
knows. But I know that I am here in warsaw, able and with a voice.
I call for you to be sensible enough to know that history is in your hands.
You say that you have heard of over and over and over and over and over again, I am not sure. I dont
see the agreement on the table. We represent 50% of the people. We are ready to negotiate we dont
deserve heads of groups of the countries not beeing here in the country, instead of being out talking to
the media.
I wnat this conference to be a success.
Now when this room is breaking, we will remeet in the plenary. I want to know what the next step will
be. Are you going to present a document in there, or put us in a Copenhagen situation.
I just want a clear answer
*applauds*
Chair: Took note OF complaints on blaming. Reminds that its a party driven process.
Co-charis will not take blame for anything that is driven in this room
Text reflects eceyones participation and wills.
The mere fact that noone in this room is satisfied in with the text.
As a result of the above, the co-chairs have listened, and listened very carefully. Wont take any blame -
This is a party driven process, you have said that over and over and over and over.
If this cop fails, everyone is equall responsible, -and if this cop succeeds everyone is going to be
responsible.
Saudi Arabia
Go to preamble 2
*Reading the text*
hard to follow.
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Colombia
Appreciates efforts to try and reach some sort of convergence.
Reminds there is consensus on wanting an ambitious delabut ot on what to be ambitious about.
Our priority given the latest IPCC report, given the fact the window is closing.
We can negotiate until we are blue, or until 2020 rolls around (I think)
That window cannot be negotiated.
WE are not negotationg an environmental treaty, we are negotiating economies, and societies
Something about loss and damage being important.
We are not trying to predudge, and I think that this text that has been put forward
Unhappy that the annex is no longer part of decision but in conclusions. We are willing to live with that
in the interest of concensus.
The annex in this very watered down form, that we want to keep. we have already conceded quite a bit
chair, and I hope that you can accept that.
Regarding proposed amendments to B:
What we want is an ambitious agreement, we want to make sure that the pledges on the table are
adequate.
Want to ensure that pledges are adequate, therefore dons (something) the term nationally
appropriate
Proposes national preparations to determine theircommitments somewhere. This phrase wont lock
us into hard negotiations in future?
In C/6, there was a proposal to replace current wording with put forward.
We are trying here to find ways of moving forward.
You all have seen chair that we have tried to be flexible. We have tried to be flexible, in particular with
the annex
Invites others to also show flexibility.
Colombia
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Previously insinuattions on inflexibilitynot really so?
Nicaragua
This is the track to the agreement that the world is wating for.
Mentioning flexibility in Durban and Doha, woth the blank check of Kyoto 2. Signed without numbers
and datesthis is real flexibility.
The real roadbloch here is finance GCF still does not have financing.
Not one single donor for pre 2020 financing? How can we believe there will be post 2020 finance when
theres no pre 2020 finance?
Mitigatoin: Nicaragua has no problem what so ever woth numbers, goals and figures.
We are going from 25 % renewables in 90% renewables in 2020. based on 9.6 x dollars .
Money doesnt have to go througs a U N body to arrive at wind, solar, hydro, renewable projects.
If we can focus on the real block *finance* thens omething might come out of this.
South Africa on behalf of BASIC
We look at the text and specifically paragraf 2 of the text.
We want to say that we find that the text and I have to.. I just have to giva a short introduction
we find that this text is very much scaled towards mititgation
and as we have said so many times before, we find this is so much broader than mititgaion
and when we go to paragraf. b and c
We believe that technology transfer, adaptation etc needs to be added. Very difficult to reflect that in a
way that will not destruct the text in a, b, c.
Supports a and 2c in current form.
Talks very fast, co-chair asks for repetition. Repeats, end result of changes as below.
Only changes would be in paragraph 2B:
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To invite all Parties to initiate or intensify domestic preparations for their
intended nationally determined commitments in accordance with article 4 of the convention towards
achieving the ulitmate -.- of the convention to setout something fromthe 2 convention and to
communicate them well in advance of the twenty-first session of the
Conference of the Parties in a manner that facilitates the clarity, transparency and
understanding of the intended commitments;
India
context is important, support changes in para 2a, 3c, they would like to retain existant ext
Brazil
Explaining BASIC position, feel that the text resulting from BASIC ministerial coordination is a way to
take things forward. Very necessary clarificatoin of the scope of comimtments.
China
My two previous speakers would strongly support South Africa on behalf of the basic group
This proposal, about over and over and over again. I would only like to use the word over.
So that the discussion on this would be OVER.
Co -Chair summarazing from what we have discussed from this morning
Appears that most of the areas where there is major concern is mainly paragraf 2.
Other parts have not been as substansive as what we heard of paragraf 2.
There is a proposal from BASIC:
Only modification is to sub paragraph 2b.
Switzerland:
We werent in the meeting with the BASIC ministers
inivite all parties to take action on national levels in accordance to paragraf 4.1 (lost something)
Philippines on behalf of LDC
supports the BASIC proposal
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Chair
Any other comments?
USA
Thanks
Actually looking for a couple of proposals that came up awhile ago that I thought was pretty good. And I
wanna say what I liked before I say what I didnt like.
Proposal from Chile, on pragraph 2C.
Proposal from NZ, that we liked
With respect of the current proposal, we expect that predudges discussion.
BASIC proposal prejudges dicsussion, expect well have wuite significant discussions over next year. Fair
to say 4.1 cast very broadly, not sure to say were bound to follow conention (?) rather were operating
under the ADP which is under the convention?
Trinidad and Tobago
Something on prejudging 2015 proposal.
And we prefer to work on the proposal made earlier by.
Japan
We have turned out to support the proposal by the BASIC countries.
something more on all parties
EU
Thank you.
I too though we were getting closer, and it is getting very late, I think weve heard a number of good
proposals.
Narrowing areas of difference.
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We are very much guided by what india said earlier, we shouldnt adress to solve issues that are
unsolvable at this stage. We should work on areas where we can get results.
New country
Needs a new proposal before can say anything about it
Swatziland
In the interest of beeing breif the African Group says.
something on 2c, hard to hear.
Nicaragua
We support the BASIC proposal, it is agreed language. Article 4 and 2, based on principles of RIO.
I think that we are never going to advance if we do not work on the basis, the ADP should be in that
contest, so we can advance towards real consenus.
Chile
Cant work with BASIC proposal, insists that dominican republic proposal doesnt prejudge discussions,
and want to keep working on it.
We look forward to discuss, differentiation, but we think that BASIC text predudges and we therefore
cannot accept, to move with the text proposed by the dominican republic.
BASIC proposal prejudges, and therefore dominican proposalshould be used.
CUBA
We support BASIC proposals.
this is not really a step back
We are trying to move away from the mandate.
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We try to work on the basis of the mandate we have, and if we try to keep at the minimun of what we
are looking for in this decision. Lets try to keep with langauge that is already approved, that will help us
alot.
Finance: Has to be there too in order to get somewhere.
New zealand
Switzerland; US, Chile. cant work on basis of the proposal
We prefer either the text as it stands or any suggestion by dominican replublic
Russia
Not a restatement of our position but a comment.
What ever, are the proposals we make, they have to be addressed towards the major goal, the goal of
arriving of a comprehensive solution to the climate change.
That should be the key concept for what ever we come with further.
Venezuela
I want to support proposal of BASIC, considering and repeating, that this is an agreement under the
convention (RIO or UNFCCC) ?
China
I thought this issue had been gone over, but unfortunately I was just prejudging the situation
*laugh*
Mr chair, rather the very mandate of the durban plattform is for enhanced action of implemention the
convention..
We try to elaborate the elements, including mitigation adapatiation, finance, technology transfer,
I heard some parties saying that maybe the proposal would be some way of prejudging the outcome.
but no one is prejudging the outcome, the outcome has been set.
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To adpot the context a
Agree an outcome with legal forcce.
for it to come into effect, we implement a contract we are not prejudging We have already
determined that the process is on enhanced action, implementet from 2020, and the outcome of the
protocole shall be adopoted at the 21st session december of 2015.
Nothing is prejudgedt. (cant spell)
Except my prejudgment that this was gone over.
The prejudging argument that nothing is prejudged
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Thanks for contributions, with regards to to big issues.
We feel, that there is an issue with the convention text:
No issue with including the objective and principles in the work of this body. However in regards in this
particular text.
We do not feel that this adresses
Supports Trinidad and Tobago
PERU
We are reaching towards clarity consensus that there are other proposals? Could we also incorporate
those in the discussion?
Canada
we can not work with BASIC, we prefer the text as it is.
Also considering the dominican republic proposal?
Co Chair.
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Clearly interest in working with this, what we are going to propose is that there are other porposals
from groups. We need parties to speak to eachother, rather than to the chair.
We will break for perhaps about 30 minutes, for groups to consult, and then we will come back.
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break extended indefinitely
Co chair
Wants to hear what has happened
Indiaas a volunteer without representing a specific group
I have to say that we are frankly not there yet. Text for 2b and 2c.
This is not an agreed text, but I am going to read up it anyway. There are three or
2b - will be re read and completed.
To invite all parties to initiate or intensify domestic preperations for their intended nationally
determined commision, in the context of adopting a portocole or an agreed outcome of legal force
under the convention under the convention for all parties. and the communicate them well in advance
in
By the first order of the beginning of 2014
2c
To request the ADP to identify by the 21th session of the COP the information that parties will provide,
when putting forward their commitments when referred to the paragrah above.
The words towards toward achieving the ultimate objective of achieving should remain - suggestion by
some countries
This is not in the text, but how to fix this line is one of our concerns.
Last one is a matter raised by many parties in the huddle
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When developing country parties go about their domestic preparations for their national commitments,
then what will happen to the financing tech transf and capacity building that helps them with this
preparation to do this in time for the meeting of the 21st session of the COP.
There was a need to address this particular issue.
This has to be done, in the context of a pre 2020 period. It will help everyone to start this process.
Finally
I want to underline, the fact that there was parties expressing concern on the word commitments. Some
expressed that there should be a very clear understanding that at this point there should be
Nature of commitments, what does it mean, is it something we can use in context.
2b and 2c is what we want to focus on.
Indias proposed text:
2b To invite all Parties to initiate or intensify domestic preparations for their intended nationally
determined commitments in the context of adopting a Protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed
outcome with legal force under the Convention applicable to all Parties and to communicate them well
in advance of the 21st session of the Conference of Parties [(by the first quarter of 2015 by those parties
in position to do so)] in a manner that facilitates clarity, transparency and understanding of the intended
commitments.
2c To request the Ad Hoc Working Group on the Durban Platform for Enhanced Action to identify by the
20th session of the Conference of the Parties, the information that Parties will provide when putting
forward their commitments referred to in paragraph 2b above.
Chair
time for parties to express what they think about the text.
-noone indicating anything
Trinidad and tobago
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We are still not comfortable with the text, for the reasons previousl explained, however the hour is late.
and we do need to make som progress, so I will propose that if we can show that we are working
towards the ultimate achievement of the text. we can use the text as it is currently instructed.
-inclusion of achieving ultimate goal of conv.
Mexico
thanks.
By either introducing the objective of the conv or 2 degrees.
I would also want to include the section,
Singapore
Thanks to colleague and friend from India, for undertaking this vouluntary cooperative.
Prop:
Want to show support for line achieving the ultimate goal of conv.
If no Party has any objections I suggest that we continue on the basis of it can be concluded.
Regarding 2 C, I would urge Mexico to look a the broader draft.
Not a satisfactory solution, as Trinidad and Tobago said.
Chair
Any objections to the additional sentence?
China (this might be a very long one, before he spoke for 45 min :))
Ok co-chair, good morning
Clarifies towards achieving the ultimate objective of the convention
Proposes to delete the word ultimate form sentence above. Reason:
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We do think that the objective has set of the article 2 is not only combined with the sterilsation
objective, because the article 2 the sentence starts with the...
There is also a second sentence to this objective. The titel of article 2 is just objective, and not ultimate
objective.
Second sentence object shall achieve within time frame ecosystems shall to climate change also
ensure the common development to proceed shall proceed.
By just referring towards ahieving the objective set as in article 2, we would have a more comprehensive
understanding of the objective.
We would not only talk about adaptation but mitigation and sustainable development.
By achieving this objective something about article 3
in their actions to achieve the objective of the convention, and implement this
By chaing the achieving the objective we would get som reasurances that the referrenses in order
context.
The principles of the convention shall apply.
- We got a tip to start listening after 5 minutes of his speech, whitch would be right about now, when he
also stopped talking. - from s******h official.
Im just talking *murmurs something+
Chair
Could accept the a little wider version from China, but not trying to negotiate *the convention+?
Trinidad again
Can accept the proposal from China, since nothing is lost. The ultimateobjective of the convention goes
understood.
Chair
As were not trying to win the literature Nobel prize, I think we could live with the longer version as
well
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Bangladesh
*
Colombia
Yada yada good morning, were all sitting in this room...
We are united by convention, helpful that we cannot leave. need to cannot pick apart article 2 of
climate change convention. article 17d
ARTICLE 2:
OBJECTIVE
The ultimate objective of this Convention and any related legal instruments that the Conference of the
Parties may adopt is to achieve, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Convention,
stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent
dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system. Such a level should be achieved within a
time-frame sufficient to allow ecosystems to adapt naturally to climate change, to ensure that food
production is not threatened and to enable economic development to proceed in a sustainable manner.
We can not leave this room and not leave Warsaw by not working on a new
we can not pick apart the article 2 of the climate talk convention.
Quote
A few days ago in the discusisons on articel X,
When we weere talking about the diffuclites and problems that it is impportant for the process to be
robust,
Opinions and position of all parties should matter. OF ALL PARTIES
although Im not a lawyer which is a good thong, because this is not going to be read by lawyers
When we talk about these paragrafhs they are seen in utter isolation from the rest of the text.
There is bracketed text, which for us would also be very important, by those
Before we rewrite the convention, we would like to understand the text on that table.
We did not have the privilege of being in the huddle, peraps because we are a small nation.
I dont really know what the deal was, but I see the deal infront of me.
THat was mentioned by the incoming presidnecy, by Peru.
d
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This was not about june 2014
WE have also asked, and we ask now, because we were not part of the huddle
What happened to the annex??
There are still questions on the floor before we can say that we agree on this watered down proposal.
What is the whole package, that we are being asked about?
I am beeing helpful, because I am looking ahead, on what is going to happen when we leve this room.
Chair
What do you mean when saying picking apart the convention.
The way I understood T and T could live with the chineese proposal. I didnt hear China say that we
picked apart article 2.
Colombia again? yes
The ultimate objective is to keep the GHG in a the low level..
Because if that, countries like Colombia, that are highly vunerable, are facing dramatical consewonses?
So for us, that objective, is for us something fundamental. You have to understand that this hole
process, because of the way we come to decisionmaking in this convention, this is increasingly strange,
when you dont understand how the decision came in place. When you are not part of this deal, when
you dont understand all the positions and subpositions that goes in it,
d
Because there were really good and diverse proposal in the raimaing of the text. and we want to
understand how the whole thing works, before we start to go into detail on article 2 (picking it apart)
Chair
number of elements come to the tables
Proposals made, and modicating proposals.
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Explains chair work, has to understand all the proposals etc etc.
If you agree on it or not will happen in the plenary, what we are dealing with at the moment is what
came out of the huddle 2b and 2c.
India told me not a 100% deal was achieved but there was some questions and negotiations and I am
trying to get to that first before we get into other discussions.
I do not think that anyone wants to take out the objective of the convention from the text
its not picking apart article two, the objecive of the convention.
Can I have more viewvs on that proposal by Trinidad and Tobago proposal modiffied by CHina
anyone else against this
Guatemala
Its important to understand why we are working in the text, dont understand why we are removing the
ultimate objection, it is the only thing that is fundamental in this convention.
WHy does china want t remove it.
Unless there a greater understanding of why the ultimate objective part is removed, Guatemala wont
accept that text.
I cant accept the text as it is unless explanation is given.
Chair
I think theres a misunderstanding. Article 2 title is objective. Nobody has proposed to delete
anything from the objective of the conventionall that is discussed is how article two shall be referred.
Colombia
Similar discussions before, dont want to asked if we can have it when it is still bracketed text in it
We feel deeply uncomfortable that we discuss this when there are other proposals on the table, mainly
brackets.
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We understand that the results of the huddle includes bracketed text.
India
The huddle could have gone on for another hour, and we would have reached a consensus! But we
were aware that there were people outside the huddle. We broadly agreed on the ides that were there,
but we did not want to have a consencus in the huddle.
for example 2 c.
we really wanted it that way, it was our understanding
In general, explains that the huddle wasnt about a full consensus, clarifies that hes just volunteering to
summarize the huddle text because he was there.
What china has proposed, i also understand it that there are two sentences there.
first ultimate objective
second, it is important like countries like ours that this is made in a manner where food production is
not harmed and in a sustainable manner.
It is not a way of divertion
We are capturing it realisticly (and holistically)
Clarifies that the huddle shouldnt be seen as a consensus mechanism/group trying to force a text on
everyone
Chair
The huddle is always the limited entitie of the participants, and it is important it comes back to the room
Mexico
And I will say that we will be okay when talking about the objective
Maybe can move first to the bracketed text,
Suggestion regarding bracketed text: Oh just that it should be discussed. No actual suggestoin there.
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Chair
We have achieved quite a lot. Last bits and pieces. I want to hear what countries around the floor
tthink about 2(b) in its entirety.
Colombia
Wants to have bilaterals?
The Gambia on behalf of african group
Asks about the context in which the paragraphs has come in. Wants to see paragraphs in context of
the whole text?
Suggests removing brackets before considering 2b as a whole.
Chair
Insists on continued discussions of 2b and 2c with brackets, as they stand.
Switzerland
Huge sympathy of what colombia was saying.
talking about the placing of the specific phrases.
Venezuela
Thank you mr chair
Before tackling the comments of my delegation.
Supports the nature of the huddling
Noticed by many that the huddle was a likeminded huddle,
Just to let you know, we actually are starting to tackle 2 c.
Some of us understand we
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feeling that i recieved from the .. was not a gabbling of anything
it was just to approach our ideas better
Recommends chair to open discussions about everyting thats there.
Most of all because the political discussions of everythong there is because some countris are willing to
send a very strong message.
I would encourage parties not to tackle the comma struggle but rather the bigger politcal mesage that
we are trying to deliver at this hour.
When I was feeling the most heating winter, I want tomention something more-.- .-.-.
I have to ust mention something that I dindt mention there, well I did mention it, but I didnt make a
proposal
When we were discussing this, the readyness of developing countries, a message to delivier something
(plan of action)
Suggestion: Not any/every developing contries have the means to partake in such a process, even if they
have the political will. Producing information about mitigation is going to be very expensive, it is going to
be very expensive for some, and if that information is requested to be produced in LIMA, we need to
know that the financial mechanisms are in order to be functioning at that very time.
The discussion needs to be where the support should come from, to help the developing countries that
wnat to take mitigation actions.
Developed countries need to have a willingness to support devloping countries.
This is my message:
To thee dont kill me
Suggestion for new paragraph 2(d): add new text to support financially developing countries in
preparing commitments
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The domestic preparations of developing countries for the intended nationally detemrined
commitments refered to in paragraph 2(b), the preparation of the information requested in paragraph
2(c), and the implementation of such commitemnts shall depend on the provision on finance,
technology transfer, capacity building in accordance with the with the view of achieving its objective.
Chair
talking about reading it once more
Bolivia
Suggests China proposal (the use of objective instead of ultimate objective)
Concerns 2b:
Agrees with 2c, and everythng proposed by Venezuela.
adds article 4 of the convention back into 2(b)
US
I guess we have 4 comments:
1st
referrence to the objective or ulimate objective
Prefers ultimate objective, because when looking at the durban plattform thats the terminology used.
recognises that fulfiling the ultimate goal of the convention..
2nd: clarification: After the huddle there was no brackets. You could say that the whole text was in
brackets.
We would support this with the inclusion of the language currently in brackets.
3d: Support: Could accept a reference to support. Support for implementation should be negotiated
when we negotiate?
we have a slight variation of what was proposed to venezuela.
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we would say something like (hoping for usa to reapeat):
4th. Cant accept Bolivias proposal, but htere where other solutions to that during the huddle.
Chair
EU
After long discussion among EU ministers.
we tend to argue longer about the workplans than actual commitments
This text does not give us the urgency, as we are going to need when moving towards Paris.
Referrence to ultimate objective, is essential. It demonstrates the integrity? of commitments.
Gives us a lot of confidence of what we are actually trying to achieve.
Agrees with US on the text in brackets not being in brackets during the huddle. certainly not in square
brackets
Reminds that an awful lot of support is currently going on.
Would it help to change position to capacity?
Swaziland
A 2015 agreement, from an African standpoint? is a mitigation agreement.
We have supported langauge that have been opposed by parties that address these concerns. We dont
get the assurance that we need. In order to be confident that issues of commitments to finacne,
adaptation, technolgoy development and transfer are covered.
We were not in the cdiscussion, wondering if 2(b) theres a chance of changing to:
To invite all parties to initiatve or intensify domesic preparations for their intednndedonally
detemrined commitment in the context of decision 1/CP.18 and, to communicate well in advance
There is a broader coveregage of elements that iclude some of the elements in paragraph 5.
adopting a protocol is already in the chapeau
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Response to US proposal: Quite welcome. Did not a full reflection of h eactual text around support for
the process that were going to have, but it seems that we do have stringent time frames and as
outcome we would believe that rather than invite we would
secondly you should also find reference of (something) costs
Co Chair
Nicaragua
Thank you very much
Supports Venezuelas proposal.
Takes into account, means of implementation and formulation
n the formulatiosn of commitments many conutries will require support, (somehting already existst)
however many more countries will require support for the implementation of their commitments
we want ambitious commitments
and would be irresponsible to take on commitments if we do not know how were going to fulfill them
d
therefore tech transf, cap building
so that the solution of the commitment are truly supported
China
Several points
First
regarding the issue of the objective
Its borader and more comprehensive to refer to objetcive, agrees with chairs view that this is the
better way to refer to article 2.
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And on the commitment issue.
The offset, yesterday what could have a better compromise.
Why invent new language when there is already agreed langiage on the topic?
WE need to get some assurances in the text, that some countries put forward a proposal earlier then
last nigt.
Secondly
On the bracketed text, we do have some concerns about by the first quarter of 2015 by those parties in
position to do so) I think we can try to address that concern by two options.
Cause of time and issue and to
second opt
chagne the reference by those parties in a position to do so, maybe
as early as the 1st quarter of 2015
two sub options
to those parties listed in annex one
second
by those parties ready to do so.
On the porposal made by venezuela:
certainly support that para 2 (d) cause for developing countries domestic preperations need the
necessary financial support
also very clear provision under geneva convention article 4 plan 7 ??
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shall depend on provision of finance, capacity building
that regard we fully support the addition of paragraph 2(d) into the text.
I think it is quite early in the morning and we need to make quick progress
Chair
Yes we need to be fast.
Bangladesh
Thank you co-chair, good morning. (you dont really need to transcribe this part)
In fact we do also follow the negotiations, nothing is agreed content??
even if we dont have bracket 2 (B) and 2(C) we have mental brackets of these two paragraphs.
We like to see that the ultimate objective would be there, and
I personally pronounced that phrase tens of thousands times in the last 21 years.
and I have not heard those of my colleagues not differentiating that phrase in any way in this last 21
years.
Suggests brackets in 2b suggestion, surrounding by those parties in a position todo so
Chair
Ecuador
at this very late hour, its time for compromising
LETS AGREE TO SOMETHING.adorse proposal by India, amended by Trinadad and China. support
proposal by venezuela, additional item 2d. nicaragua is important, where financial stuff is going to come
from and is necessary.
Started in the corner, but showing the spirit of the table
Addition paragraph (only read it fast)
To provide developing countries with assistance for mitigation...
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Chair
we need to mindful about what we are talking about. intended nationally as of year 2020, a bit more
than 6 years of time. Im a public servants, which means that I dont know what will be possible
(politically) in 2021. i am not sure if we are asking too much about public budget
Were discussing the planning step.
Philippines
Support Trinidad & Tobago / China proposal
Support Venezuela & US idea linking domestic preparation and gathering of info to the need of support
for developing countries.
Reflecting Swazilands mention of [what]
2(d):
That the domestic preparations refered in 2(b) of developing countries, including the gathering of the
information refered in 2(c), shall depend on the provision, tech tranfser and capacity building by
developed countries in the context of the implementation of article 11 of the Convention, with a view to
acheiving the objective of hte Convention
Chair
Its stariting to get a little messy with many texts and proposals on the table
India
Trinidad and Tobago and china we like what you are talking about.
the placing of the line towards achievning th eobjective of the convention, should actually be behind the
line pllicable to all parties.
I think that was a very useful suggestion from someone what?
The brackets where not deleted, we were just fixing the language. Wants to clarify that.
I would suggest Presenting SOMETHING ? (probably ambitions? )as early as the first quarter of 2015
Switzerland
How long do we ahve to continue here, it is not really moving towards a common ground.
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2(b), ( c) was the most important part of the drafting (except perhaps also the annex). First, agree on b,
c. These other issues have not been raised over the last few days.
By saing we have to decide here, and we cant hide behind the issues that we acutally have two years to
work on. I believe we should work with the issues that we acutally have to get done here.
Support US proposal.
We should move from cherry picking to strawberry picking reiterates need to find a solution.
Common ground is that we should have 2(b) as written here without the brackets.
2(c) and the new US paragraph,
invtiing developed countries and international institutions to support developing countriesin the
preparation of their national commitments
With that package we would really make a huge step. Not maby the one we wanted to do here
EU
I think we should remember we are here negotiating a workplan, not
I think there are issues we can solve and those we cant, we should focus on the solvable.
We spent a very long time in the huddle spending time uncomfortable close to each other
*laugh*
this did not give the results we predicted
The text is ok for EU, because its a work plan
I think we are all in a position where we want to find a way through this
Thre are other elements of the agreement in Warsaw that we wnat to see adopted, mentions
emerging agreement on finance and loss and damage.
I do urge colleagues wheather can rally around something closer to the tet. I think we can add ***
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Support proposal from T and T and china (on objective of the convention)
We should retain something with bracketsthus remove square brackets in 2b
And difficulty wtih indias proposal
4.7 simply wont fly and will bring the agreement down
if we want to be constructive we should focus on capacity building and support in order for them to
completet their commitments.
This is just how we se we can progress.
Cuba
Support Trinidad and Tobago and China
Also supports Bolivia insertion of 2(d)
Supports Ecuadors proposal on planning step?
I believe that what our colleague from Php will fill those lines, and i wont repeat this additional
proposal.
Would rather have the proposal from the Philippines.
Chair
Norway
COncerned about that we now seem to be backtracking..
we want to leave warsaw with a clear signal that we are moving ahead, we are trying to come out of
here with a workplan and not negotiating an agreement.
Failing to do so would be a huge dissapointment
We call on everyone to be flexible and cooperative and look at the paper coming from (presented by
india)
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The way we see it: A lot of parties made compromises coming up wth the text from the huddle, so a lot
of comprmises have already been made.
It isnt perfect, but we are not going anywhere moving away from that.
On the proposals raised in meeting:
Support towards achieving the ulitamate objectives of the convention, but again we saw AOSIS giving
alot of flexbility around the wording ?ultimate objective? (not sure if that was right)
Important that indicative commitments are given as early as possible
Want to start from where we were inthe beginning, with the understanding from the huddle,where
parties had already made large comprimises.
We think the message from the US was very useful.
Chair
Nicaragua
It is difficult to believe that there is no ambition after 2020if there is not increase ambition before 2020.
It is difficult oto belieave there is significant financing after 2020, if theres no financing before 2020.
(word for word the same intervention he gave three hours ago)
Chair
What certainly stands is the convention and convention articles
Canada
2.5 hours of huddling
The notion that I took from it and that others did aswell . ex EU
THe broad parameters, there are some reasonable proposals on the table, [something]
ultimate objective is mentioned in the Durban platform and therefore Canada supports the wording
ultimate objective.
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We can support the suggestion brought by the US, but want clarity in how we can support the process.
Chair
The Gambia
Hard to follow
ThE BASIC proposal was meant to adress (what)
Agreeing on these two paragraphs if annex is intact?
Concerns being raised in terms of support?
We try these two paragraphs and we can the focus on something else.
Chair
My understanding was that in the huddle only 2 b and 2 c were discussed.
I did not hear wheather the annex was discussed or not. Was not to my understanindg
Brazil
We support T and T as demanded by China
One the issue es, and proposal form India: it deserves consideration, I think that the proposal of the first
quarter of 2015, was a good idea.
On Venzuela proposal with US parts(?) regarding financing for developing countries, the issue of
finance is indeed a matter of great importance, sympathetic with the issue.
Ready to negotiate text.
Preference is the determination athat we ahave a basic ministerial meeting, to see if we can wirhra from
that position, we are ready to negotiatte but would also like other sides to show flexibility
Need to confer with minister regarding proposals
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Panama
given that we have heard many different positions I would say some comments.
How good the original texts looks today, witch all of us critizied, todays text is now looking better than
ever. Its reflecting (from our point of view) a position taken by most of the parties. Not heard much
criticism on the original text today.
We are not discussing anything of substance. I feel that weve had a long day, and weve had good
intents.
Know that we and very many other delegations are concerned by substance beeing politcally
downslided.
Suggests to bring back the original text, and include the bracketed part of 2(b) from huddle (by the first
quarter of 2015 by those parties in position to do so)
Chair
Peru
Preserve minimum ambition on two levelsUniversality and process (the work ahead),
A lot of ramblings here, that I didnt catch.
Aligns with comments by Gambia.
Chair
Lot of proposals on 2(b), (c)
Besides, lots of convergence on future generations
Will try to do our best. Remembers someone earlier talking about future generations, reflects that that
is why we are all here.
Thinks the huddle and its outcome is very encouraging, even if aware that some might not agree about
that.
Wants to adjourn until five am for drafting. REassembling in plenary 1 at 5am.
Venezuela
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Know by experience that plenaries dont give proper roomfor reactions.
Wants to include some manner of supprt.
Suggests continued work here, in small groups. I dont care if I go to bed one hour later. We can work
it out here, together, now. One hour hre can take five hours in plenary.
Chair
Gives 30 minutes, will include the text in draft if you push under the door a little piece of paper, with all
the texts and all the signatures in the room, then I am happy to do that. But we will listen to your
proposals.
India
Are you still taking in context?
More comments on 2( c)
Nicaragua
I think both cochair and us are victoms of this negotiation process. Wants huddle.
Chair
Asks Nicaragua to summarize what progress has been made and should be made in the future?
Im not inclined to use any kind of prematurely *murmur+ on this text, because were now discussing
Doha inclusions.
We are now ready to accelerate discussions.
Bolivia
We still have to try and arrive at convergence, maybe half an hour is not enough for this. Cochairs also
have big responsibliity to come up with a new text and find this convergence.
Mentions problems with balance between adaptation and mitigation, the annex conflict and some other
problems that will be hard for the chairs to solve.
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Supports removing of brackets in 2(b) suggestion from huddle.
Equador
I truely commend the process of
Every such process needs some facts and figures, so that the negotiations and decisions are about
something fiscal. At least a broader range of views by the time that we start this planning process.
Venezuela
Support issue, very delicate. We did not have any results in the financial discussion.
We dont know if we can comply with 2b/c or nithing
Tehres a division between those that conseiderdeveloping countriesthat this is something (what)
Secondly, then again how much under the convention we want this csupport to be.
Some said agreed full cost. Others said appropriate financial institutions.
It is not a drafting discussion, but a political discussion
Developing countries are going to leave this conference with, nothing at alla gain nothing at all
We didnt get anything from L&D, we didnt get a work program on finance, not even a work program
to discuss finance. Im not talking about the money. Not even that. Not even talking about the money,
not even talking about the money.
now in this text we are even getting to the place if we are going sign the the agreement under the
convention or outside the convneniton
If were going that far, what the hell are we getting in this convention to take back home and bring to
our governments?
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This is going to be again a european winning situation, and the only thin I am requisting is that we have
the positive experience to talk about this.
We want a very specific guidance that we are going to be helped to deliveir and
d
we have all the right to request it, under the convention and under international law
Under the conveniton and under the law, we have to right to requist support from the discussion
we are not begging charity, they need to provide us.
Im willing to act because I heard the US support is, I heard the EU support is.
If we miss this little thing we are requuiting , because if you dont want to be hold responisble for the
consequences if the text, we are ready to do this. if you decide to do this by yourself I will respect you .
I just had my lunch now in the back, so Im ready now to interact.
I do respect youas a chair, but I also do respect me as a vice minister
d
*applauds*
Chair
you know that I do respect you
If you do want to have a huddle, w can do that.
Mentions that theres both ADP and and COP planeries left, they will bthothtake some time.
finance, huddle, support the co-chairs
Guatemala
AILAC supports Venezuelas huddle proposal, to stay in the room and discuss in an smaller setting.
Chair
the lanugage on the table, i think there is a lot of language on the table.
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2(d). You know where youll find us.
Meeting is adjourned, next step is plenary at 5 am.
The ADP-session will start shortly..
It seems like the new ADP draft is out. Well publish here as soon as we found it
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