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    Abraham Lincoln:Friend or Foeof Freedom?

    Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    Author

    Lincoln Unmaskedand The Real Lincoln

    and

    Joseph A. Morris

    President

    Lincoln Legal Foundation

    Remarks delivered at

    The Heartland Institutes

    23rd Anniversary Benefit Dinner

    October 25, 2007

    Chicago, Illinois

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    Abraham Lincoln:

    Friend or Foe of Freedom?

    Copyright 2008 The Heartland Institute

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    Table of Contents

    Preface . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page v

    Joseph L. Bast, The Heartland Institute

    Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 1Dan Miller, Chicago Sun-Times

    Opening Statement

    Lincoln: Foe of Freedom . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 5

    Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    Opening Statement

    Lincoln: Friend of Freedom . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 13

    Joseph A. Morris

    Rebuttal: Thomas J. DiLorenzo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 21

    Rebuttal: Joseph A. Morris . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 25

    Cross Examination

    Audience . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 29

    Speaker Biographies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 37

    About the Publisher . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 39

    Order Form . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 41

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    Preface

    Welcome to The Heartland Institutes 23rd Anniversary benefit

    dinner. We are absolutely delighted to have you here with us.

    There are almost 600 people here tonight, which is outstanding.

    Among those 600 people, there are approximately 70 elected

    officials. These are the best, most interesting, smartest elected

    officials of the 7,300 state elected officials in the United States. If

    some of them are sitting at your table, by all means engage them in

    conversation, congratulate them, and slip them some money

    because they may need it for their next campaign.

    There are also approximately 30 think-tank folks in the

    audience tonight. Because there are so many, I wont name them

    all, but I would like to call attention to two very special guests inthe room with us tonight.

    Thanks, Scott and Fred

    When The Heartland Institute was started 23 years ago, I was the

    first employee ... but it wasnt my idea. Heartland was actually the

    idea of a young guy named Scott Hodge. Scott proposed it to Dave

    Padden, and Dave thought it was a good idea. Scott then followed

    his girlfriend off to Minnesota and left the position open for me to

    come in and take it and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Scott went on to join The Heritage Foundation, where he did

    tremendous work, and then from there to the Tax Foundation,

    which he now serves as president. Thanks for everything, Scott!

    Scott is doing a fantastic job at the Tax Foundation and if you are

    not a member or supporter I would encourage you to become one.

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    The second really outstanding person in this room, among

    many outstanding people I guess, is Fred Smith. Fred is president

    of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which got started the verysame year Heartland got started, 1984. The Competitive Enterprise

    Institute is in Washington, DC. Its doing terrific work on a variety

    of issues, but we are most attracted to and most admire is their

    work on environmental issues and climate change, where they are

    just second to none in the quality of research they are doing.

    Fred, youve always been a mentor and a role model for me. I

    really appreciate you being here tonight.

    Rest in Peace

    There are some people friends of freedom, we call them who

    are not here tonight, who passed away since we last met here in

    October 2007.Most recently, John Berthoud, president of the National

    Taxpayers Union, passed away on September 26. John was a

    friend and an outstanding, hard-working guy. The National

    Taxpayers Union is one of the most important organizations in the

    country. John was only 45 years old, and he will be sorely missed.

    Another man down is Tim Wheeler. As many of you know,especially you libertarian activists, Tim was one of the original

    writers forNational Review. I got to know him over the years as a

    freelance writer and ghostwriter for various prominent people. A

    remarkable, tireless, and talented writer, and an absolutely

    principled free-market advocate. He passed away on August 5.

    Prof. Hans Sennholz passed away on June 23 at age of 85. He

    was one of the founders of the modern libertarian movement, a

    teacher of four generations of students at Grove City College, and

    president of FEE, the Foundation for Economic Education, for five

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    years.

    Richard Rue passed away on May 16. Rick worked for the

    Lincoln Legal Foundation and for The Heartland Institute in the1990s, and then for the United Republican Fund and a number of

    other groups. He passed away in California.

    Nobel Laureate Dr. Milton Friedman passed away on

    November 16, 2006. Dr. Friedman was, of course, the greatest

    economist of the twentieth century, a brilliant libertarian thinker,

    and in many ways and at many times a friend to me and of The

    Heartland Institute. He may have been the shortest giant who ever

    lived. God bless you, Milton, and bless Rose, too.

    And finally, Lord Ralph Harris passed away on October 19,

    2006. He was the first employee of the Institute for Economic

    Affairs, the grand-daddy of libertarian think tanks, based in

    London. He was an advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

    We honor the memory of these distinguished men, and werededicate ourselves to their cause of lifting the heavy hand of

    tyranny from the backs of men and women, here and around the

    world, who strive to be free.

    Growing OrganizationThe first time The Heartland Institute held an anniversary benefit

    dinner, we had 18 people show up. Half of them were board

    members, about a quarter or a third of them were the spouses of

    board members, and there were two guys who were catching a

    smoke outside the door that the hotel asked to come in because we

    were paying for the meals anyway. It was a very small but

    dedicated group.

    Each year we get a little bit bigger. And although we havent

    set a record this year we had at least 600 people once before

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    this is already an outstanding and really successful event ... and

    you havent even heard from the speakers yet!

    I would like to thank the people who reserved platinum tablesand gold tables, because its their contributions that make it

    possible for us to offer free tickets to some of the high school and

    college students who are joining us here tonight. I would like to

    quickly name those platinum and gold table buyers. They are

    Planned Realty Group, United Republican Fund, Michael Keiser

    and Philip Friedmann, Herbert Walberg, Assurant Health, Dave

    Padden, The New Coalition for Economic and Social Change,

    Lincoln Legal Foundation, and Pfizer. Please give a round of

    applause for our platinum and gold table sponsors.

    A Mixed Year

    Heartland has had a great year, and it has grown dramatically. Thenumber of donors is more than 2,000, up from 1,400 just a year

    ago. The number of contacts with elected officials is increasing

    dramatically. Our press coverage has never been as good as its

    been recently. Weve published twice as many books in the past 12

    months as in the previous 12 months, and a whole lot more policy

    studies and research and commentary pieces.Unfortunately, it hasnt been such a good year for freedom

    and the ultimate objective for The Heartland Institute is, of course,

    to advance freedom.

    In many states we saw massive tax increases and tax increase

    proposals. The federal government is still spending every year

    hundreds of billions of dollars more than it brings in. Weve seen

    new proposals to socialize our health care system an idea that

    was bankrupt 20 years ago and 10 years ago. Why presidential

    candidates are still talking about nationalizing our health care

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    system is beyond me, but its an indication that our educational job

    obviously is not finished. Its incomplete.

    And we cant seem to move the ball down the field on schoolchoice. One of the most important things we can do to expand

    freedom in America is to give parents the power to choose where

    their kids go to school. But the teacher unions are powerful, and

    they act as a buffer against any of our efforts to expand these

    programs. There has been some progress, some very modest

    programs, but again its a disappointment for people who are

    advocates of freedom.

    Likewise with tax and expenditure limitations. Weve been

    trying to get states to adopt constitutional amendments that would

    limit their spending and their taxing ability. That effort ran into

    some very fierce opposition last year, and were not making much

    progress.

    And finally, on the environment. Dont get me started on theenvironment! Former vice president Albert Gore gets the Noble

    Peace Prize for producing a propaganda film that most scientists

    will say exaggerates, lies, and distorts the actual science on climate

    change. Its a symbol of whats wrong in America with public

    policy today. Were not making a lot of progress. If this is an issue

    of concern to you, I hope you will talk to me or to Fred Smith,because Freds shop is doing terrific work on this as well.

    Heartlands History

    Let me conclude quickly by giving you a little nutshell description

    of The Heartland Institute since it is, after all, The Heartland

    Institute that brings you here tonight and that your contributions

    are supporting.

    Heartland was started 23 years ago. I was a student at the

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    University of Chicago at the time. Dave Padden brought together a

    group of 15 people to pledge $100 a month to fund this new

    start-up think tank. The reason they gave only $100 a month andsome of you have heard this before is because they thought I

    would blow $1,000 if they gave it to me all at one time. So they

    figured, lets make him come and ask for it month after month.

    And I did that. It was also tremendous discipline to produce results

    when your donors are expecting to get a progress report from you

    every four weeks.

    In the first year we had a budget of $24,000. This year, for the

    first time, weve broken five million dollars in our budget. It is a

    big accomplishment. A lot of people in this room are responsible

    for it. You all are applauding now for the donors, and not for the

    beneficiary of that kind of generosity.

    We now have 32 full-time staff, which is an amazing thing for

    us to have. We have 115 policy advisors, academics at majoruniversities and not-so-major universities all across the country. A

    couple dozen of them are with us here tonight. We have 527

    legislative advisors, elected officials who have voluntarily chosen

    to join the advisory board to The Heartland Institute. And

    Heartland takes some pretty hard, principled libertarian positions

    on the issues of the day so to have more than 500 electedofficials sign up to formally endorse our programs is a pretty big

    deal.

    We have 2,100 donors to our organization. And I will end on

    maybe a slightly sour note, because it is often asked who funds

    The Heartland Institute.

    If you Google The Heartland Institute, the first result that

    comes up is The Heartland Institute Web site. The second is

    something called Source Watch, an organization that just attacks

    conservative groups, and the third one is Exxon Secrets, which

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    identifies all of the groups that ever got any money from

    ExxonMobil Corporation. The Heartland Institute appears on each

    of those Web sites.Were accused of being a front for big corporations, in

    particular Exxon. Its not the case.

    No corporation gives more than 5 percent of The Heartland

    Institutes annual budget. This year, all the energy companies

    combined are going to give less than 5 percent of our total annual

    budget. If funding influences our opinions, then when 95 percent

    of our income is coming from energy consumers and not energy

    producers you would think wed have a pretty strong anti-oil

    company bias, but in fact we dont.

    The truth is we have a program and people absolutely

    committed to principles and the ideas of free enterprise. Our

    donors support us because they agree with those ideas, not because

    they want to change our message.So thats what The Heartland Institute is, and thats why you

    are here tonight helping us raise money to keep this fantastic

    program going and expanding all the time. I am deeply grateful to

    every one of you who bought a ticket or table tonight ... and I hope

    you have a real good time.

    Joseph Bast

    President, The Heartland Institute

    October 25, 2007

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    1 Dan Miller is business editor of the Chicago Sun-Times.

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    Introduction

    By Dan Miller1

    Good evening, Im Dan Miller. Im business editor of the Chicago

    Sun-Times and have been a member of and donor to The Heartland

    Institute for a couple decades. I am honored and delighted that Joe

    Bast tapped me to moderate this debate. Its great to be with

    friends and old faces.

    And speaking of old faces ...

    Im sure Fred Smith doesnt remember anything about meeting

    me when I was chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission,

    but I want you all to know that Fred is in the cross-hairs of a smear

    campaign that hits not only the Competitive Enterprise Institute

    and weve been privileged at the Chicago Sun-Times to publish

    several articles by CEI people but also The Heartland Institute,

    Cato, and so many others.The effort now on the part of the left is to demonize all of the

    people who favor limited government, individual liberty, and

    personal responsibility. Its a very, very serious effort to

    undermine everything that people in this room have worked for.

    Fred is especially in the cross-hairs, and Joe is just a micro- inch

    away from the cross-hairs. Its something that youve got to be

    aware of. Theyre after us theyre after us big-time.

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    Remember, being paranoid is not irrational if theyre really

    after you ... and theyre really after us.

    Lincolns Legacy

    Like many of you, I presume, I grew up and grew older regarding

    Abraham Lincoln as one of our greatest presidents. He preserved

    the Union against the rebels, he freed the slaves, he urged

    reconciliation during Reconstruction, he was humble and a leaderof enormous charisma, and persistent.

    It was only in recent years, however, that I realized others have

    challenged those assumptions. Yes, he preserved the Union but

    where in the Constitution does it prohibit states from seceding?

    And by what legal right did Lincoln prosecute the Civil War or, as

    one of our debaters tonight calls it, the war between the states,

    or, when he gets really personal, Lincolns war?

    Yes, the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves, but only

    the slaves in the secessionist South, where the proclamation had

    absolutely no force of law. Where the proclamation could have had

    some force of law, in the border states that didnt secede, such as

    Maryland and Kentucky and Pennsylvania, it specifically

    permitted slavery to continue.Humble? Yes, yes, Lincoln in his speeches and his personal

    life dramatized an innate humility. But politically, when he won

    the presidential nomination in 1860 here in Chicago, he had

    demonstrated the political savvy and cruelty that exploited the

    moment of the instance that he was nominated.

    My point is this: Reasonable people and you wouldnt be a

    Heartland person if you were anything but reasonable can

    discuss and disagree about Lincoln and his legacy. But we dont

    have to be disagreeable. We all share a common respect for

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    individual liberty, small government, the rule of law, and firm

    property rights.

    Tonight well hear from two articulate and informed scholars

    about whether and how those values played out in the life of

    Abraham Lincoln.

    Tonights Debate

    Heres how the debate works. One debater, Tom DiLorenzo, willbegin with a 10-minute presentation on the subject at one podium.

    The second debater, Joe Morris, will have an equal amount of time

    at the other podium. My job is not to interfere with the free flow of

    ideas.

    While the debate is going on, please write any questions you

    may have for either or both of the debaters on the cards available

    from Heartland staffers in the room. After the presentations Ill

    select some questions from the cards. Around 8:40 p.m. Ill signal

    the last question.

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    2 Thomas J. DiLorenzo, Ph.D. is the author ofLincoln Unmaskedand TheReal Lincoln, among other books, and an American economics professorat Loyola College in Maryland.

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    Opening Statement

    Lincoln: Foe of Freedom

    By Thomas J. DiLorenzo2

    I couldnt resist Joe Basts invitation to come to Chicago and

    persuade 600 people from Illinois that Abe Lincoln was a tyrant

    and an enemy of freedom. I thought that was going to be a real

    challenge! So Ill get right to it.

    Corwin Amendment

    One of the first things Abraham Lincoln did after he was elected

    and before he was inaugurated was to instruct William Seward

    [U.S. Senator from New York] to get a constitutional amendment

    through the Senate that would forbid the federal government fromever interfering with slavery in the South. And Seward did. It was

    called the Corwin Amendment, named after [Ohio Republican

    Congressman] Thomas Corwin.

    Lincoln also instructed Seward to get a federal law passed that

    would nullify the personal liberty laws that existed in some of the

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    Destroying the Union

    In terms of saving the Union, I contend Lincoln actually destroyed

    the Union. The Union was a voluntary Union. The states ratified

    the Constitution they were sovereign, thats why they had to

    ratify the Constitution. But the Union was no longer voluntary

    after 1865.

    The parallel I think of is a woman who leaves her husband

    because hes been abusing her. He drags her back into the home,

    chains her to the bedpost, and threatens to shoot her if she leavesagain. The union has been preserved! Theyre back together again!

    To me, that is the sense in which the Union was preserved, at the

    cost of 620,000 lives.

    For several generations, historians have referred to the

    Lincoln dictatorship. One example is the historian Clinton

    Rossiter, who was editor of The Federalist Papers in the 1950s

    and 1960s; he was a Cornell University history professor. He said

    this: Dictatorship played a decisive role in his successful effort to

    maintain a union by force of arms. Lincolns amazing disregard for

    the Constitution was considered by nobody as legal.

    It doesnt sound like Lincoln was a friend of freedom if you

    look at statements like this by distinguished scholars.

    Lincoln the Dictator

    Now why did people like Rossiter say things like that? I have here

    a short list of some of the things Lincoln did to deserve that

    reputation. (A student who likes my books attended a talk I gave at

    Washington University; he made up a t-shirt that said, Dictator

    To-Do List.)

    1. The illegal suspension of the writ of habeous corpus on his

    own. The Constitution allows for the suspension of the writ, but

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    only by Congress. After he suspended the writ, Lincoln appointed

    William Seward to be in charge of a sort-of KGB-style secret

    police that rounded up anywhere between 15,000 and 30,000

    Northern civilians for merely opposing the Lincoln administration.

    These were not spies or traitors they were people like George

    Brown, the mayor of Baltimore; Congressman Henry May of

    Baltimore; and 20 members of the Maryland state legislature. Of

    course, the Constitution requires the federal government to provide

    for a republican form of government in the states, and so arrestingthose state and local elected officials was a direct denial of that

    aspect of the Constitution.

    There were Northern gulags like Fort Lafayette in New York

    Harbor. It was said that the only place there was genuine free

    speech in the North during the war was in these prisons, because

    once youre imprisoned for free speech, what have you got to lose?

    If you want to read about this I would recommend a book by

    James Randall, Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln. Randall

    taught at the University of Illinois for many years; James

    McPherson calls him the preeminent Lincoln scholar of the last

    generation. All these facts Im rattling off here are in this book,

    among other places.

    2. He shut down more than 300 opposition newspapers. Insome instances, the editors and owners were thrown into prison,

    and in some instances there were mobs of sort-of Republican Party

    activists who literally destroyed the printing presses of the

    opposition press. They didnt destroy every last opposition press,

    but they sent a pretty strong message.

    3.He started a war without congressional approval.

    4. He confiscated firearms in the border states. In fact, the

    whole invasion of the South was a violation of the Second

    Amendment. As James Madison said, the purpose of the Second

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    Amendment was to deter a federal army from ever invading a

    sovereign state.

    5. Lincoln micro-managed the waging of war on civilians for

    four long years. I make this case in my book, and I can make it if

    we have questions later. James McPherson estimated that about

    50,000 Southern civilians were killed by the Union army one way

    or another during the war.

    One anecdote that Ill offer: On one day, more than 4,000

    artillery shells exploded in the city of Charleston, South Carolina at a time when there was no Confederate Army there. It was

    civilians and maybe some wounded soldiers, and that was it. It was

    not a a battle it was just the bombing of a city. And this went on

    throughout the South.

    6.All telegraph communication was censored.

    7. He confiscated private property. Two confiscation acts

    allowed the U.S. government to take the private property of people

    who were criticizing the Lincoln administration.

    8.He arrested his detractors. The most outspoken Democrat in

    Congress at the time was Clement Vallandigham from Dayton,

    Ohio. He made very stirring Jeffersonian-sounding speeches

    criticizing the suspension of habeus corpus and other things. After

    he was gerrymandered out of Congress by the Republican Party, hewent back home to Ohio to run for governor.

    Sixty-seven armed federal soldiers broke into Vallandighams

    home in the middle of the night. He was arrested and thrown in

    prison. He ended up being deported and spent the rest of the war in

    Canada. It would be as though President Bush had Hillary Clinton

    deported to Iran.

    Roger Taney, the chief justice, issued an opinion that the

    suspension of habeus corpus by the presidnet alone is

    unconstitutional. Lincoln responded by issuing an arrest warrant

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    for Taney. He gave it to his friend and employee at the time, Ward

    Lamon. There are several very good sources on this, like Ward

    Lamons book, which is in the archives of the Huntington Library,

    and the biography of Benjamin Robbins Curtis, who was a

    supreme court justice who authored the opposing opinion in the

    Dred Scott case and defended Andrew Johnson in his

    impeachment.

    9.He rigged Northern elections. West Virginia was allowed to

    secede, illegally, from the rest of Virginia. The Constitutionrequires Congress and the state legislature to agree on partitioning

    a state and creating a new state. That didnt happen. Northern

    elections were rigged with the help of federal soldiers.

    These are among the reasons why generations of historians

    have referred to Lincoln as a dictator.

    Jefferson on Secession

    So what did Thomas Jefferson think about secession? He said if

    the western part of the country ever seceded from the east, [t]hose

    of the Western confederacy will be as much our children and

    descendants as those of the Eastern. That was in 1804, many,

    many years after the Declaration of Secession which was theDeclaration of Independence.

    Contrast that with Lincoln. In his first inaugural address, when

    discussing the possibility that states might secede, he used the

    words invasion and bloodshed. He was the anti-Jefferson as

    far as Im concerned.

    In terms of economics, Lincoln was a mercantilist, so he was

    against economic freedom. He was a protectionist, a champion of

    corporate welfare, and a champion of inflationary finance through

    central banking. He admitted that he spent his entire career as a

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    Whig politician advocating those things.

    That was essentially the political agenda of Alexander

    Hamilton. I consider Lincoln to be the political son of Alexander

    Hamilton. He opposed equality under the law. Despite a few

    fanciful statements he made about equality, he said this to Stephen

    Douglas in 1858, I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been,

    in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political

    equality of the white and black races.

    All Created Equal?

    Lincoln was a member of the Illinois Colonization Society, which

    wanted to use state funds to deport the small number of free blacks

    that were in the state out of the state. To some extent, they did that.

    He also said in another debate with Douglas, The African (he

    always referred to black people as the Africans, as though they

    were from another planet) upon his own soil has all the natural

    rights that that instrument [the Declaration of Independence]

    vouchsafes to all mankind.

    Lincoln said such things many times, that was his position.

    Yes, blacks and whites can be equal, but not if blacks are here in

    America. If theyre on their own soil, thats where they can beequal.

    I think you have to understand that to understand what Lincoln

    means when he quotes the Declaration of Independence. He voted

    against black suffrage in Illinois, he opposed allowing blacks to

    testify in court in Illinois, he voted against abolishing the slave

    trade in Washington, DC while he was in Congress, he was a

    strong supporter of the Fugitive Slave Act.

    One of the reasons Lincoln gave for opposing the extension of

    slavery into the territories was that he wanted to save the territories

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    for free white people. It wasnt a moral reason, it was just

    politics. The people in the territories wanted them to be all-white,

    and so as a politician he thought there was a lot of votes there

    among the Free Soil Party, so thats what he did.

    Lincoln met with a group of free black men in the White House

    in 1862, and he urged them to lead by example and go to Liberia.

    Those men wisely said no thank you, because, as they explained

    to him, some thousands of blacks had already gone to Liberia, but

    most of them had perished. Lincoln told them their descendantswould ultimately outnumber them, if they were to go to Liberia

    and procreate once they got there. It didnt seem like a good deal

    to those men at the time, and they wisely rejected his advice.

    Yes, Lincoln did quote the all men are created equal portion

    of the Declaration of Independence in the Gettysburg Address.

    But, as the great H.L. Mencken said, the Gettysburg Address was

    poetry, not fact.

    Mencken pointed out that it was the Confederates who were

    fighting for government by consent: They no longer consented to

    being ruled by Washington, DC. It was the Northern army that was

    fighting against government by consent.

    So those are some of the reasons I think Lincoln does not

    deserve the reputation as a man of freedom.And by the way, all the other countries and regions and states

    that ended slavery in the nineteenth century did so peacefully.

    Britain, Spain, the Dutch, the French, the Danes, the New

    Englanders, even New Yorkers. They all found a way to end

    slavery peacefully.

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    3 Joseph A. Morris, J.D., is president of the Lincoln Legal Foundation anda partner in the law firm of Morris & DeLaRosa, with offices in Chicagoand London.

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    Opening Statement

    Lincoln: Friend of Freedom

    By Joseph A. Morris3

    Ladies and gentlemen, Abe Lincoln was not perfect. Abe Lincoln

    was a clever, calculating pol. Abe Lincoln was from Illinois ...

    Whats news?

    I think it is a healthy thing that the world recognize that no

    politician is perfect, because it is a mistake, it is dangerous to

    liberties, to translate political leadership into sainthood. It is a

    mistake to think that political leaders are the source of salvation on

    this Earth.

    But once we recognize that, I think its important that we face

    the facts and understand what principled and constructive and

    accomplished political leadership is, and what it can do. Its onlyfair to recognize what Abraham Lincoln achieved for the people of

    the United States, which in my view was to make real the promise

    of the Declaration of Independence.

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    Holding Lincoln to a Standard

    Tom DiLorenzo, I think, has performed a real service by doing

    something that other scholars who have been critical of Lincoln in

    the past have not done. Other critics of Lincoln have complained

    that he dithered over slavery, that he was too patient with his

    generals, that he was either too much the politician or not enough,

    that he was too lax with the South or not strict enough with the

    South in the contemplation of Reconstruction.

    What Tom DiLorenzo has done is something that, frankly, Ithink is unmatched in history since Lincoln had a critic by the

    name of Douglas, who was a senator from Illinois, with whom he

    debated in 1858 and whom he challenged for the presidency when

    Douglas was the national candidate of the Democrats in 1860. Tom

    DiLorenzo has tried to hold Lincoln to the standards of a lover of

    liberty.

    The challenge that DiLorenzo puts to President Lincoln is,

    Well, where were you on this notion of equality that you think is

    so important in the Declaration of Independence, that is the

    centerpiece theme of your argument at Gettysburg? Where were

    you on the question of the respect for civil liberties, which

    presumably is the warp and woof of our constitutional system?

    And where were you on the fundamental question of what is theUnited States of America, and what is the nature of this federation

    of states, and what does it mean to have a constitution in a context

    of an experiment by human beings to govern themselves?

    Those are the right questions to ask, and those are the right

    standards to which to hold Abraham Lincoln. Obviously, were

    advocates of different points of view on the answers to those

    questions, and you are the jury of history on the question of where

    we come down on Abraham Lincoln against the DiLorenzo

    yardstick.

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    I am here to argue facts for Abraham Lincoln, and lets begin with

    some fundamentals.

    Dedicated to a Proposition

    Lincoln is perhaps best-known for those words he uttered at

    Gettysburg. The opening lines that Lincoln spoke at Gettysburg are

    ones we all remember ... and little understand. And I respectfully

    submit that in those words with which Lincoln opened the addressat Gettysburg, you will see the essential kernel of Lincolns

    understanding of what the American federation and nation is, and

    why it ought to matter to those of us who are lovers of liberty.

    Remember those words:

    Fourscore and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth

    on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and

    dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now, I think we all have some grasp of the proposition all men

    are created equal. Let there be no doubt about it, Lincoln was an

    opponent of slavery. He made it very clear throughout his career in

    Illinois as a political man that he did not think it was right to liveoff the sweat of the brow of another. He told us over and over

    again, as he would not be a slave, he would not be a master. We

    understand that Lincoln was an advocate of the notion that all men

    are created equal, even if that means that in a particular situation at

    a particular time, they find themselves in a political society that

    holds only imperfectly to that standard.

    And I think we understand even the higher calling of his

    argument, that this was a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated

    to a proposition unlike the Danes and the Britons and the Irish

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    and the French, and people all around the world, whose nationhood

    was a fact of nature, it was an accident of history, it was a

    condition they found upon them when they emerged into the

    sunlight of civilization.

    The American nation was something that was created as a

    series of conscious acts, coming out of a revolutionary past, with

    ideas in mind. What other nation can say as its birthright that its

    dedicated to a proposition, rather than merely occupying a piece of

    land or speaking a particular language or embracing a particularculture?

    Lincoln told us that this was a nation dedicated to a

    proposition, and by opening our eyes to that fact, if nothing else,

    Lincoln deserves the undying gratitude of people who love liberty

    the world over.

    Brought Forth a Nation

    But he also said they brought forth a nation. They brought forth a

    nation. He didnt say they brought forth a contract. He didnt

    say they brought forth a deal or a confederation. He said they

    brought forth a nation.

    And that is what the arithmetic compels you to conclude,because if you recall that he spoke at Gettysburg in 1863, and you

    know from the Elizabethan English of the King James Bible what

    fourscore and seven years means, you know that the calculation

    from 1863 of fourscore and seven years takes us back not to the

    constitutional ratification of 1789 or the constitutional convention

    of 1787, but to the year of the declaration of American

    independence, to the revolutionary year of 1776.

    Why does it matter, in the mind of Lincoln or the minds of us

    today, that there was a 13-year gap between the creation of a

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    nation and the creation of its government? It matters because and

    here is an important issue on which Tom DiLorenzo and I disagree

    it matters because the point is that a nation and its government

    are not the same thing.

    The nation precedes the government. The government is the

    creature and the servant and the subordinate of the nation. The

    nation, the people of a nation, can bring a government into being

    and they can change it ... and they did.

    If you love liberty, the single most important gift to the humanspirit of Abraham Lincolns imagination was to nail down the

    distinction between a people and its peoplehood and its

    nationhood, on the one hand, and its political units and its

    governmental distribution of powers, on the other.

    Thats what Lincoln meant when he insisted that the Union

    the nation, the American nation should be preserved.

    Was Lincoln a willy-nilly Franklin Delano Roosevelt, an

    advocate of a centralized national government with Hillary Clinton

    as its philosopher queen ... as Tom DiLorenzo suggests in his

    book,Lincoln Unmasked, where he elevates Hillary Clinton Im

    not making this up to the apotheosis of a Yankee? What you

    meant Tom, was the apotheosis of a Yankee fan.

    In fact, as president of the United States, Lincoln was anextraordinarily circumspect chief executive who looked to the

    Congress, to the Senate and the House, to take the lead on most

    making of public policy. He saw his responsibility in a domestic

    context as taking care that the laws be carefully executed.

    Author of the Civil War?

    Now lets turn to the central indictment Tom delivers against Mr.

    Lincoln: that Mr. Lincoln was the author of the Civil War.

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    Tom DiLorenzo told you about a lot of dancing and prancing

    and political gimmickry on the part of Mr. Lincoln, both before

    and after he became president and even as late as the Hampton

    Roads conference. Its true. But the aims of Lincolns amazing

    political maneuvering were never in doubt and they never varied:

    To preserve the Union and end slavery.

    With all due respect to Toms narrative, Mr. Lincoln did not in

    fact urge the South to stay in the Union in exchange for forgoing

    prohibitions on slavery. On the contrary, Mr. Lincoln disclosed, tothe shock of Alexander Stephens, that the Thirteenth Amendment

    had been passed out of Congress and was on its way to ratification

    by the states. The Thirteenth Amendment prohibits slavery

    everywhere in the United States; it prohibits involuntary servitude

    everywhere and forever.

    Stephens was shocked by that, and that was the effect Lincoln

    intended, because what Lincoln wanted to do was end the war and

    stop the bloodshed. And he essentially said to Stephens at the

    Hampton Roads conference, If I were you, Mr. Vice President of

    the whatever-you-are, the rebellion, I would go back and tell your

    brethren: Rejoin the Union. Drop your arms. I will not negotiate

    with you as long as you are under arms. Rejoin the Union, send

    your delegates back to Washington. I will embrace the states onceagain in their rightful places in the American federation. Send your

    votes back youre not going to stop the ratification of the

    Thirteenth Amendment, but I bet you can ensure that it is phased in

    with all deliberate speed.

    What was Lincoln attempting to do? He was attempting to stop

    bloodshed. He knew that the train, which he helped leave the

    station to end slavery was never coming back. Slavery was the

    issue of the war.

    And what about the start of that war? Facts that Tom

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    DiLorenzo has a hard time answering are very simple. Mr. Lincoln

    became president of the United States on the fourth day of March

    in 1861. Prior to the end of February 1861, seven southern states

    had already purported to secede. In early February 1861, the

    Confederate so-called Congress had already convened in

    Richmond. By the 18th and 19th of February 1861, Jefferson Davis

    was already the president of the so-called Confederacy. Jeff Davis

    was the rebel president before Abe Lincoln ever arrived in

    Washington and took his oath of office as president of the UnitedStates.

    If you want to know who started the Civil War, look south and

    look to people who had one and only one issue maybe Tom and I

    will get a chance to debate this. One and only one issue was the

    real precipitant of that war, and it was the cause of slavery.

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    Rebuttal

    Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    Well, Im sure Joe is not calling Lincoln a liar when he says

    slavery was the only cause. Lincoln himself always said the

    extension of slavery was what he was strenuously opposed to. He

    explicitly said, at his first inaugural for example, that he had no

    intent to disturb Southern slavery.

    On the Gettysburg Address, fourscore and seven years ago, ofcourse thats not when the country was founded it was with the

    Constitution. And yes, Lincoln said a nation was founded, but

    the founders did not create a nation. They created a confederacy, a

    union of states, but it wasnt a nation and there wasnt a national

    government.

    Do We Have a Nation?

    Lincoln wanted it to be a national government. Alexander

    Hamiltons agenda at the Constitutional Convention was to get a

    permanent president who would appoint all the governors and have

    veto power over all state legislation essentially a king. Thats

    why Jefferson himself hated Alexander Hamilton. Ive just writtena book on this, calledHamiltons Curse, which is coming out next

    year.

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    But Hamiltonians never succeeded. They invented the myth

    about 20 years later that America was created by the whole

    nation, that the whole people created the Constitution, when in

    reality, of course, it was the citizens of each individual state. And

    when the King of England signed a peace treaty with the American

    revolutionaries, he signed it with each individual state, named by

    name. He didnt sign it with something called the United States

    nation. That just didnt exist.

    And so what Lincoln is doing in the Gettysburg Address, whenhe talks about a new nation, is putting in his own words this

    myth that the country was created by the whole people and not by

    political conventions of the citizens of the sovereign states. In fact,

    the thinking of the Jeffersonians was that, if this constitution is

    ever to be enforced, then the people themselves organized in

    political communities at the state level is how it is to be enforced.

    And if the day ever comes that the federal government becomes

    the sole arbiter of the limits of its own powers, it will inevitably

    decide that there are no limits to its own powers ... and thats what

    we got after 1865, when through the federal judiciary, the federal

    government has been since then the sole decision maker about the

    limits of its own powers.

    Jeffersonian Mantle

    In What Lincoln Believed, Michael Lind makes the case that the

    main reason Lincoln brought the all men are created equal

    language into the Gettysburg Address is that he wanted to win

    votes from the Jeffersonians in the North he wanted to wrap

    himself in the Jeffersonian mantle.

    If you read the whole Declaration of Independence, it is a

    declaration of secession from the British Empire. Lincoln totally

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    Rebuttal

    Joseph A. Morris

    This debate over the question of when America began is not mere

    metaphysics. It really matters. I think it matters for the reasons that

    Ive described, and I just urge you all: Go yourselves to the texts. I

    carry around in my pocket my Cato Institute copy of the

    Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Its there every

    day, and I make my living with it.The Declaration of Independence opens with the immortal

    words, When in the course of human events it becomes necessary

    for one people to dissolve the political bands which have

    connected them with another one people.

    Already in 1776, the Congress assembled at Philadelphia was

    exercising power by itself, without sending messengers back to

    the 13 colonies to canvass the views of the leadership in the 13

    colonies as to what this new emerging American nation

    so-called by Benjamin Franklin was going to do. They identified

    themselves as one people, a people not a government, but a

    people.

    And then they proceeded to spend the next 13 years

    experimenting with the kind of governmental institutions that theythought would be most conducive to their happiness and to their

    liberty.

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    Madison on Secession

    Now, Mr. Jefferson was blessed, as some great men are, by having

    a great man at his right arm. And that great man was James

    Madison who, probably more than anyone else, was responsible

    for the form and text of the document that we revere as the

    Constitution, as the fundamental law of our political regime, of our

    government. And when, as Tom correctly told you, in the 1800s

    Mr. Jefferson fulminated a bit off the ranch on the question of

    secession, it was Mr. Madison who reined him in.Although he was a Jeffersonian Republican and a southern

    agrarian and disliked Alexander Hamilton every bit as much as

    Tom DiLorenzo or you or I might dislike Alexander Hamilton, it

    was Mr. Madison who correctly pointed out to Jefferson and

    attained Jeffersons concession, that the Constitution, which

    contains no express provision opposing secession, contains no

    express provision providing for it.

    As a matter of fact, Madison pointed out to Jefferson, that to

    allow what Mr. Calhoun wanted in South Carolina nullification

    by the states of federal decisions or to allow the secession of an

    individual state, would be to allow one state on its own to amend

    the federal constitution, and that wasnt the deal. The deal from the

    outset was, once you joined the federation as a political matter,you were bound by the three-fourths rule and you were bound by

    the republican guarantee clause and you were bound by the

    territorial provisions.

    Remember, by the time we get to the Civil War, we have way

    more than 13 states in the union. Where did those other states

    come from? Those states were carved out of territories that had

    been, in a sense, the common property of the original 13 states

    acquired at various times and in various ways. If you are seceding,

    do you get to take your share of those other derivative states and

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    territories with you? Utter nonsense, Madison argued, and he

    walked down the line of Jeffersons arguments and answered them,

    and his answers stand today.

    Supreme Court and State Sovereignty

    Was it the Civil War that the turned the Supreme Court of the

    United States into what it is today, the final arbiter of what the

    Constitution means? Mr. DiLorenzo, Id like to introduce you to afellow by the name of John Marshall, and a decision of the

    Supreme Court of the United States calledMarbury v. Madison in

    1804.

    By the time the Civil War arrived, that was already old law,

    and it had been used and used over and over again by advocates of

    the South and southern states in various contests and contexts

    where they were challenging northern interests. That included the

    case that, probably more than any other single episode in American

    history of the era, was responsible for the launch of the war, and

    that was theDred Scottdecision.

    In that case, the Supreme Court of the United States the final

    word of law in the United States, presided over by Chief Justice

    Taney held ... and hows this for states rights? ... that a state inthe North, a state of free soil, a state that opposed slavery, was not

    free to prohibit a southerner from passing through that state with

    his chattel slaves in tow and in his possession, and to treat them as

    slaves inside those states. There were no states rights for northern

    states that opposed slavery.

    As a matter of fact, Chief Justice Tawney held for the Court in

    theDred Scottdecision in a decision that shocked the conscience

    of the nation that Africans, black human beings, not only were

    not but never could be citizens of the United States, or citizens of a

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    state entitled to the privileges and immunities of a citizen of the

    state. Whats that for states rights? In states like Illinois and

    Indiana and New York and Connecticut and Massachusetts, which

    back then were recognizing African-American people as citizens

    with full rights and with immunities of a citizen in their states and

    expecting those rights and privileges and immunities to be

    respected in the other states as well under the supremacy clause

    and the full faith and credit clause. Whats that for states rights?

    Confederate Constitution

    Dont look to the constitution of the Confederacy, much admired

    by Tom DiLorenzo, for meaningful answers to those questions.

    Because the truth is, ladies and gentlemen, that that constitution,

    for all its fancy rhetoric, was never successfully implemented by

    the so-called lovers of liberty of the South which had, if you

    want to get into the facts, a far larger, more brutal, and more

    pervasive KGB and political suppression system than did anything

    Mr. Lincoln or Secretary Seward imagined.

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    Cross-Examination

    Questions from the Audience

    By Dan Miller

    Miller: I am just stunned by the quality of these questions! Lets

    get to as many as we can.

    Tom DiLorenzo, please describe the academic and newspaper

    efforts to create the Lincoln myth. Why is the media and the

    academy so dedicated to creating that myth?

    DiLorenzo: A lot of whats written about Lincoln sort of makes

    him into a saint or god-like figure, which no politician should be

    made out to be.

    In any rankings by historians of the greatest presidents, Lincoln

    and FDR are always at the top. Whoever is the most forceful chiefexecutive, who creates big government or starts a war, is a

    war-time president those are always the presidents the historians

    rank at the top.

    And the journalists, of course, to the extent that they have any

    education about this, they were educated by these same historians

    who always rank FDR and Lincoln at the top. I imagine thats

    where this comes from. A lot of the literature is deification of

    Lincoln.

    People have asked me if I think Lincoln should be at Mount

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    Rushmore. I always say nobody should be on Mount Rushmore.

    Its sort of a deification of politicians, which is a very unhealthy

    thing for a society.

    Miller:Joe Morris, our government is said to be a government of

    checks and balances. But if a state cannot leave the Union, what

    check is there?

    Morris: States do and ought to have an enormous amount ofpower and responsibility in a federal system, and Mr. Madison, I

    think very rightly, pointed out that the new United States of

    America under the Constitution was not a unified, centralized

    nation-state like France, nor was it an impossible, highly atomized

    mere federation like the Articles of Confederation attempted to be,

    the Confederacy attempted to be, or some other con-federated

    systems in human history attempted to be.

    It was something altogether new. It was a notion of divided and

    shared sovereignty that is, on some level, each state is sovereign,

    and on some level, the national government is sovereign. There is a

    unified sovereignty of the American people, that in turn is

    distributed on a subsidiary basis, in part to the government at the

    national level and in part to the governments at the state level.There are some functions that states ought to have that ought

    not to be functions of the federal government. The Constitution

    attempts to enumerate the federal governments powers.

    Public pressure, the pressure of constituencies of interest

    groups, for a century and more has attempted to press the federal

    government to take over those responsibilities from the states.

    People who love liberty will and ought to press in the opposite

    direction.

    But let me tell you one thing: The doctrine of states rights

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    ought to be a doctrine of honor and sincere profession in this

    country. The notion of states rights those words should be

    honorable words, they should be on the lips of defenders of liberty.

    But states rights, in the modern political context, have an acid

    taste to them, because southern lovers of slavery and southern

    opposition to the equality of human beings, for more than a

    century, before and after Mr. Lincolns time, tried to hide behind

    the rights and proper powers of sovereign states to perpetuate those

    inequalities.

    Miller: Tom, Jefferson Davis said that blacks must be integrated

    into the society, must be allowed to work, save money, buy

    property. Abe Lincoln said that all blacks should be sent back to

    Africa. Whose approach won, who triumphed?

    DiLorenzo: Im not necessarily a defender of the Confederacy,

    any more than a critic of FDR is a defender of Hitler. Keep in mind

    my book is about Lincoln, its not a defense of anything the

    Confederate government has done.

    I do defend the right of secession, and I think I devote one page

    to the Confederate government, where I compare their constitution

    to the U.S. Constitution. The people who are trying to smear me bycalling me a neo-Confederate make this assumption that if you

    criticize Lincoln youre a defender of the Confederacy. Thats like

    saying a critic of FDR is a defender of Hitler and Mussolini, and

    thats just not right.

    Miller:Joe, why not let the South secede? Wouldnt the North be

    in a better position to end slavery once the North was free from the

    Fugitive Slave Act?

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    Morris: One reason is that you would have left a quasi-totalitarian

    regime in power in the South, and it would be immediately next

    door to the United States, and that would not be a healthy thing.

    Miller: Tom, did Lincoln not clearly show, in his second inaugural

    address, that both sides had significant responsibility for the war

    and the deaths?

    DiLorenzo: That may be his most celebrated speech. People havewritten entire books about that speech.

    In the second inaugural address, Lincoln said the war came

    which is a real cop-out, isnt it? He just happened to be sitting

    there in his office one day and holy cow, the war came and then

    he blames the whole thing on God and absolves himself. He said

    the war was Gods punishment for the sin of slavery, and both

    North and South were responsible. He blamed the whole thing on

    God.

    And keep in mind that New York City didnt abolish slavery

    until 1852, and New Hampshire passed a law ending slavery in

    1857.

    Miller:Joe, if Wisconsin were allowed to secede today, would youregard it as appropriate to send our boys to shoot people from

    Wisconsin?

    Morris: A very simple answer, and its the answer of Sumter:

    Only if they shot first. Its the answer that should have been given

    at Waco.

    Thats what we had at Waco, some lunatics who were seceding

    from the United States in their little compound. It was absolute

    madness to invade that compound. You had the compound

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    encircled, you essentially have them in prison. All you had to do

    was just sit there.

    An attempt by Wisconsin or any other state to secede would

    not be harmless. It would not be without injury to the rights of

    Americans in Wisconsin or people elsewhere in the other 49 states

    with absolute rights and privileges in the state of Wisconsin. So it

    would not be harmless, and it ought to be resisted.

    There are many ways in which to resist it. There are legal ways

    to resist it. There are economic ways to resist it. There are violentways to resist it. My answer on the question of violence is, theres

    no need to resist any such act, any such political or other act, by

    violence unless violence is initiated by other Americans.

    Im not admitting the legitimacy of a peaceful secession I am

    saying a peaceful secession is an absolute absurdity in modern

    America, but it does not need a violent response. A nonviolent

    secession in modern America is doomed to failure.

    DiLorenzo: Thank God the Russians had Gorbachev and not

    Lincoln. Fifteen republics peacefully seceded. Of course, I would

    not send troops into Wisconsin to keep them from seceding. It

    would be barbarianism to do such a thing.

    Miller: Tom, why didnt Lincoln use the courts?

    DiLorenzo: Because he knew he would lose.

    Thats why they never tried Jefferson Davis they had him

    imprisoned, but they never tried him. One of the most prominent

    lawyers in New York City at the time, Charles OConor, offered to

    defend him pro bono. The trial would have been in Virginia. I

    think they knew they would not have won on the issue of the

    constitutionality of secession, and they didnt want to lose through

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    the courts what they had just gained through 620,000 deaths.

    Miller: Its just amazing to me the integration, the hard drives of

    the people of The Heartland Institute and indeed, of all people of

    libertarian persuasion. All of the questions I have here are

    remarkable. Nevertheless, this is the last question.

    Tom, and then Joe: What would the United States look like today if

    the South had been allowed to secede peacefully?

    DiLorenzo: Theres a new book out by Charles Adams, titled

    When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for

    Southern Secession. Its a collection of European essays on the

    Civil War. Its really fascinating: Charles Dickens is in there.

    All of these authors, from England, France, Greece all over

    Europe seem to recognize that when the South seceded it

    nullified the Fugitive Slave Act, and that was a law that socialized

    the cost of slavery. It forced the northern states to run down

    runaway states, and they returned most of them to their owners.

    Thats why the underground railroad ended up in Canada. And

    these European authors recognized that this would break the back

    of slavery. Regardless of what the Southerners were saying, theseEuropean authors thought the smarter ones surely had to

    understand that this really was the end of slavery.

    In my opinion, a real statesman could have sped that up by

    offering compensated emancipation of some form, like the rest of

    the world had done. Slavery could have been ended very quickly

    and peacefully. Lincoln talked about it a lot, but he never used his

    legendary political skills to actually get it done. He went to war

    instead.

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    I think the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century

    was a time of consolidated government power in Germany, in

    Russia, and everywhere else where centralized, monopolistic

    bureaucracies were created. The United States would have been

    the one counter-example of decentralization and federalism that

    was allowed to work for the rest of the world to see. Today, we

    usually hold up Switzerland as an example of that.

    I think allowing secession would have tempered the

    imperialistic proclivities of the U.S. government. We wouldnthave had the Spanish-American War, for example. Just as the

    secession of Wisconsin would temper the proclivities of the U.S.

    government to tax the pants off everybody, like its doing now.

    That was always the idea behind secession, or the threat of

    secession.

    And if we hadnt gotten into the Spanish-American War, I

    doubt we would have had a Woodrow Wilson to plunge us into

    World War I, and without World War I there probably wouldnt

    have been a World War II. I also think the two sides of the country

    could have reunited if they thought it was in their interest to do so.

    Morris: Lets make sure we got that straight: Abraham Lincoln is

    responsible for World War II ...Tom DiLorenzo argues in his books that if the South had won

    the Civil War, the shame of slavery could not have survived. It

    didnt make economic sense for the South, he writes.

    I respectfully submit that any survival of slavery after 1865

    in fact, the survival of slavery into 1865 was a shame and a

    scandal on its face and a denial of American principles. That it

    could be acceptable that slavery would last into the last third of the

    nineteenth century is just completely unacceptable to me.

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    Had the South succeeded in its rebellion and its secession, I

    dont think the North would have gone a merry and homogenous

    way. Had this precedent of secession been successfully

    established, I think we would have seen an atomization of the rest

    of the North. I think the New England secession would have

    occurred. I think the Mid-Atlantic states would have gone their

    own ways. The West never would have been opened as the West

    was opened, as the American West.

    Spain and Mexico would still have significant presences inNorth America, and the dominant power in North America would

    probably be a very strong British Empire. There would have been

    by the early twentieth century no arsenal of democracy to resist

    World War I as if Woodrow Wilson and the United States started

    World War I?

    If there had been no United States, including a strong and

    economically vibrant, decidedly American, South, then, by the

    middle of the twentieth century, there would have been no leader

    of the West, no America to defeat the Nazis and ultimately to

    defeat the Communists.

    So in my view, if the rebellion had succeeded, if secession had

    been established as a viable precedent for the United States of

    America, the lamp would have gone out on the hilltop, and theexperiment in human self-government would have failed.

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    Joseph A. Morris is a partner in the law firm of Morris &

    DeLaRosa, with offices in Chicago and London. He maintains an

    active practice, conducting trials and appeals, particularly in the

    areas of constitutional, business, labor, administrative, and

    international law. He is a member of the bar of the Supreme Court

    of the United States, the Supreme Court of the State of Illinois, and

    several other courts.

    Joe serves pro bono publico as president and general counsel

    of the Lincoln Legal Foundation which tells you where hescoming from! and hes an active member of many other civic,

    charitable, and other organizations.

    Joe served under President Ronald Reagan as assistant attorney

    general and director of the Office of Liaison Services at the U.S.

    Department of Justice. He also has been an American delegate to

    the United Nations Commission on Human Rights in Geneva. He

    is a national director of the American Conservative Union and has

    been chairman and president of the United Republican Fund of

    Illinois.

    A frequent lecturer and debater, Joe appears often on national

    and local television and radio.

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