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A9121 still being used?

Larry Caracciolo

Quality Manager (contract - pro tempore) at Seattle Aero LLC. Providing clever

solutions for complex problems.

Heard from a potential client about a rqmt for AS9121 to auditing resellers and distys

under AS9120A.

Is this std still in vogue?

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auditing resellers and distys underAS9120A. Is this std still in vogue?11h ago

Larry Caracciolo started a discussionin AS91XX Series - Tips and Advice.Take exemption or not to 7.3 for abuild-to-print shop under AS9100C?My interpretation of AS9100C is that Istill need to implement (most) portionsof 7.3. My product is not only custom

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Larry Caracciolo

Quality Manager (contract - pro tempore) at Seattle Aero LLC. Providing clever solutions

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It's not as exciting a topic as arguing over the "exact definition of quality" or the correct application

of 7.5.1.4.

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Phill Mason

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Clearly not!

Come on members, there are over 4,000 of us here... somebody must have something on this?

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Leon Himmelfarb

Management Systems Auditor at SAI Global

@Larry,

AS9121 was obsoleted back on 30 June 2011.

Since 1 July 2011 all AS9120 audits are done to rev A of that standard which means that AS9101

is the applicable standard against which they are assessed.

Perhaps they have just not kept up to date or they have been given bad advice

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Larry Caracciolo

Quality Manager (contract - pro tempore) at Seattle Aero LLC. Providing clever solutions

for complex problems.

Hi Leon. The SAE website shows 9121 as being obsoleted. My connection at SAE confirmed

it...but there was a soft-shoe reason from the SAE internal committee on how the stds realigned

afterwards. AS9120A audits now comply with AS9101E.

I'm not certain why the other party is insisting on AS9121. It's an aerospace prime...but that still

doesn't compute with using an obsoleted std for auditing resellers/distys.

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Leon Himmelfarb

Management Systems Auditor at SAI Global

Larry,

The company will be audited against AS9120 requirements by a CB complying with AS9101D.

If the prime wants AS9121 to be used then they can specify that in a contract but it will be

additional to the above and will not appear in the OASIS record of that audit.

AS9101D is still the current version because the 9101E implementation has not yet been

determined by IAQG.

In any case AS9121 is dead and buried.

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