A Reply to the HHO Scammers

June 2008

Since I wrote the original article pointing out how the claims that by creating HHO gas, you could "run your car on water" were a clear violation of the laws of thermodynamics, I've had a lot of correspondence from people who say "that's not how it works".

They claim that these HHO schemes don't violate the laws of thermodynamics because the extra fuel savings gained comes from the way HHO gas improves the thermal efficiency of your car's engine by altering the way regular gasoline and diesel is burnt.

They claim that the injection of HHO into your vehicle's air intake significantly increases the speed with which the air/gasoline mix inside the cylinder burns and therefore more of the fuel is burnt than in an unmodified engine. That extra fuel-burn means extra power or lower fuel consumption.

Well I always try to keep an open mind about these things so I thought I'd do some research to see if this was really true.

I Googled the web to try and find some sound-science that supported the claims of the pro-HHO community and I found an interesting paper (PDF) published at the 2004 FISITA world automotive congress in Barcelona.

The testing methods seem sound and the results/conclusions presented in this paper are indeed very interesting. They seem to lend credibility to the claims of those pushing HHO systems.

However, on closer inspection it all falls apart.

Yes, the addition of H2 and O2 the intake of an engine does appear to improve the thermal efficiency by (in the case of the tests cited) an astonishing 15%.

However, the following destroys the claims of the HHO fans.

1. The amount of HHO gas required is far, far greater than any of the commercially available or DIY electrolysis cells on the market can produce. Indeed, the amount of electricity required to create these gas volumes is once again beyond the ability of any conventional car's electrical system.

2. The particulate output of the engine being tested actually *increased* significantly, whereas the HHO proponents are claiming lower emissions. In fact, particulate emissions are now being cited as a major health risk and cause of premature death

So, as is so often the case with these scams, this one does have some very tenuous link to scientific principle. Unfortunately, what they don't tell you (or probably don't even understand) is that the very tiny amounts of this gas they're injecting into their engines will have almost no

effect whatsoever on the combustion efficiency of their engines -- and what improvement there is will be more than lost to the extra load put on their alternators.

I've actually done the calculations based on the energy-cost of electrolysis and the gains to be had from this hydrogen-enrichment recognized in that paper.

Here is more proof it won't work

One thing that should be noted however, is that vehicles with an electronic engine-management system and computer that displays fuel use in MPG can become confused when even trace amounts of H2/O2 are injected in the manner the HHO proponents suggest.

This can cause erroneously high MPG figures to be displayed, even though they're not actually being attained and (even worse) they can cause your engine to run very lean -- effectively risking damage and creating increased emission of nitrous oxides.

And if you're someone who's certain that you're getting improved mileage from your HHO system, here's an experiment for you to try...

First, make sure you can turn your electrolysis cell off and on while driving.

Now with the cell turned off, drive at a constant 60mph for a minute or two, so that the engine reaches a steady temperature. Don't use cruise-control, just use your foot to position the gas-pedal so your speed remains constant.

Without moving your foot (the one on the gas pedal), turn on your electrolysis cell.

Now if all the claims for HHO are true, your engine will be developing 20%-30% *more* power than it did with the electrolysis cell turned off -- so you should notice your speed increase to around 70-75mph as the HHO gas starts flowing.

If you don't get this increase, then it's *not* working.

Or you could do this the other way...

Ensure your electrolysis cell is energized and drive along at a steady 60mph.

Now turn off the cell without moving the gas pedal up or down.

Your engine's power should drop noticeably -- since the combustion efficiency will (according to the pro-HHO people) now be much lower than before. THis means your car or truck should slow down quite noticeably -- perhaps to as little as 45mph.

If you try these experiments and don't see the changes you should then you can be pretty sure that the fuel-efficiency you think your seeing is just the placebo effect or your engine's electronic

management system being fooled into running your vehicle dangerously lean (with a high risk of damage).

Here's another question -- does your engine's idle increase by 40% as the HHO gas starts being generated after you start it? If not -- why not?

If the fuel is burnt 40% more efficiently then the amount of fuel that produces an idle of (say) 1,000 RPMs should produce an idle of 1,400 RPMs when the gas kits in. If it doesn't then there's your proof that this system doesn't work.

Update: I've now asked over 100 HHO scammers to perform these tests and report their observations. Not one has done so. That's because the vast majority of those claiming it works don't even have a system in their vehicles, they're only in this scam for the money they earn from it.

And another worrying aspect of these HHO conversions has been brought to my attention...

All of those who are *actually* seeing a small improvement in fuel efficiency after fitting one of these kits have one thing in common.. they've messed around with the O2 sensor in their engine. The rationale here is that the extra oxygen from the electrolysis is causing the O2 sensor to return a reading that will cause the engine computer to increase the amount of gasoline injected -- so the O2 sensor should be disabled or adjusted to compensate.

This is utter rubbish. The O2 coming from the electrolysis cell will be totally consumed when it oxidizes the hydrogen during combustion.

What happens when you fool with the O2 sensor is that you trick your engine computer into forcing your engine to run lean -- far leaner than it's designed to run -- and that's bad.

Yes, you *may* save a few dollars per tank in fuel costs but you'll pay dearly for it a little further down the track in the form of burnt valves and damaged piston-crowns.

When you allow your engine to run lean, the internal operating temperatures soar, as does the exhaust gas temperature. This has a huge effect on the life of the valves and valve-seats, as well as promoting pre-ignition and the damaging effects that can produce.

And if you are someone who's done this and claim extra mileage, try disconnecting your HHO system without further touching the O2 sensor. Guess what, your fuel efficiency will *increase* even further! The HHO system has *nothing* to do with the fuel-economy you're seeing, it's simply the over-lean setting you've fooled your engine's computer into delivering.

The proof that HHO is a scam

May 2008

If you haven't already read the intro to this proof, please do.

The first thing you'll note about these "run your car on water" schemes is the size of the electrolysis cell and the wires that lead to it.

Typically they're about jam-jar size and the wires are about 16 gauge, a thickness that can comfortably carry about 30A which, at 12V, represents about 360W of power.

So the first question obviously has to be...

How much gas is needed to reduce fuel consumption by 40%?

Well the first thing is to work out how much energy it requires to keep an average vehicle cruising at(say) 65mph. According to this source it takes around 20HP to cruse at that speed.

Let's convert that to electrical energy by multiplying by 746 (the number of watts in a horsepower). We get 14,920, or roughly 15KW.

Now, if we want to replace 40% of that power with energy from HHO gas, we'll need to use at least 15KW x 0.4 which comes to 6,000 watts (6KW).

If we assume that the electrolysis cell which converts electricity into HHO gas is 100% efficient (which it certainly isn't) then that means we'll need a massive 6000W/12V or 500 amps of current to make that much gas.

Suddenly those 30A wires are looking rather inadequate aren't they?

What's more, since the average car's alternator can only deliver about 80A of current, this means the battery would have to deliver the other 520A and (in the case of even a good 80AH unit) would be flat in under 10 minutes.

Of course these simple calculations ignore the fact that electrolysis cells are not 100% efficient and the even more important fact that the average internal combustion engine is only around 30% efficient -- so even if we delivered 6KW of HHO gas to the engine it would only produce under 2KW of actual power.

With these inefficiencies taken into account we'd actually need a staggering 1,500A of electrical current to generate the necessary HHO gas to reduce our fuel input by 40%.

So clearly the math doesn't add up. There's just no way you can extract enough electrical energy from your car's automotive system to create the gas volumes needed to create any meaningful amount of energy.

How efficient are those electrolysis cells

Well in the above calculations, we've assumed 100% efficiency but the sad truth is that even the best electrolysis cells offer far less than that.

In the case of these "run your car on water" scams, the tiny containers of water usually pictured are grossly inadequate, not only in their efficiency but also in their actual size.

Take a look at the YouTube video above and note the following:

the amount of power the small single-cylinder is producing the amount of gas being used to produce that small amount of power the size of the electrolysis cells needed to generate that amount of gas the amount of electrical power (1.7KW) needed to generate that gas.

Obviously, given that it's taking 1.7KW (or around 2.3HP) of electrical energy and a huge electrolysis cell to create *just* enough gas to keep a lawnmower engine barely idling, the jam-jar sized cells promoted for vehicles are a joke.

And the sad thing is that, even if you used a huge cell like this, the amount of gas created would still be too small to have any discernable effect and the amount of electrical energy required would be beyond any vehicles electrical system.

So there you have it folks.

The laws of thermodynamics remain safe. The only thing at risk is the hard-earned cash of those who are gullible enough to be duped by these scammers.

No, you can't run your car on water by installing a useless electrolysis cell under the bonnet.

But wait... I've recently had a lot of email from HHO scammers who claim that I've got it all wrong and that HHO doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics.

Here is how they claim it works and why I still say it doesn't

The great "run your car on water" scam

May 2008

As oil prices rise, the quest for ways to replace fossil fuels or at least improve the mileage of modern vehicles becomes increasingly urgent.

All around the globe, teams of highly educated scientists slave away in an attempt to squeeze the last few percent of efficiency out of the conventional internal combustion engine because they know that even small improvements can have a big benefit to an auto-maker's bottom line.

At the same time, there appear to be legions of "garage mechanics" who are also working on ways to improve the mileage of your car.

All kinds of crazy devices are now flooding the market and promising to slash your fuel bill by improving your mileage, or maybe even completely eliminating the need to buy gasoline at all.

Perhaps the most prevalent of these systems is the HHO hydrogen generator system that is being pitched by numerous different individuals and small companies.

Connect one of these "fuel cells" up to your car's electrical system, fill it with water and run a pipe to your car's air intake and voila... you'll immediately see a significant improvement in your gas mileage.

Sounds almost too good to be true doesn't it?

And what is it they say about things that sound too good to be true?

Let's take a closer look at those HHO "hydrogen fuel cells".

They are actually nothing more than a simple electrolysis device that uses electricity to split water into its constituent components -- two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen.

There is nothing magical about this, it's a process that's been around for a very long time.

The gases generated by the electrolysis of water (sometimes referred to as Brown's Gas) can be recombined by way of combustion to release energy.

Unfortunately, the first law of thermodynamics states quite clearly that the energy generated by recombining the hydrogen and oxygen through combustion can only ever be equal to the amount of energy it took to separate them.

In fact it's worse than that.

Because there all sorts of losses involved in the generation of the electricity, the delivery of it to the electrolysis cell and then the combustion process, we actually recover far less energy from burning the hydrogen than it took to create it.

So, once those losses are taken into account, these useless devices will actually cause your car to use *more* fuel - that extra fuel doing nothing more than heating the water in that electrolysis cell and the wires that lead to it.

What's more, the introduction of hydrogen and oxygen into your engine's intake can also lead to the car's computer incorrectly adjusting the air/fuel mixture to the point where fuel consumption either worsens further, or damage could be done to your engine.

As usual in the wonderful world of physics, there are no free lunches.

But a little scientific fact is not about to stand in the way of those who think they can make money from the current energy crisis.

They still insist you can increase your gas mileage by sucking power from your alternator and using it to create hydrogen.

Why would you buy anything (be it plans, instructions or ready-built kits) from someone who has not the faintest grasp of basic science?

Here's a typical scam site that makes outrageous claims you'll "double your mileage" and "generate free energy".

Of course they work hard tug on your heartstrings and feelings of guilt by claiming that you'll also be saving the planet.

Well I'm sorry but this is nothing but a bunch of lies.

Nobody has yet broken the first law of thermodynamics and there's no sign that anyone will. These laws are immutable and have withstood the test of time and many, many brilliant scientific minds.

But what about all these glowing testimonials?

Chances are that some are fake. Others are just poor deluded fools who want it to be true so much that they fool themselves into believing this worthless idea actually works.

Notice how the vast majority of these testimonials come from people such as "Eric from Wisconsin" or "R.A. Foreman (USA)". There is no way to contact these people, let alone even verify that they actually exist.

You'll also notice something else about many of those who pop up claiming that they're using the system and it works... they provide you with a link to a website. That link is inevitably either a paid-per-click link, or the address of a website promoting these scams. In the first instance, the scammer earns a dollar or so every time someone (including you) clicks on that link. In the second case they're usually part of an affiliate or referral scheme whereby they earn a few dollars for every kit, eBook or other piece of snake oil that's sold.

Want proof?

Well look at this page where it's proudly stated that "earn 50% commissions for every referral that places an order".

So of course these people are going to lie to you and say it works, because they want you to believe them and visit the websites or buy the product so that *they* get paid.

And, by the water4gas.com website's own admission, some of its fellow-scammers are earning tens of thousands of dollars every month by duping people into believing this stuff actually works, often simply by telling giant lies and stating that they get enormous fuel-savings when in fact they get none. Don't become one of their victims.

Another good clue to the fact that this is a scam is the way these systems are being marketed on sites such as YouTube. Just look at the result of this search on YouTube.

See how the scammers are spamming YouTube with worthless, endlessly repeated ads that simply serve to promote these worthless products? If this was a genuine product that worked as advertised, word of mouth advertising would ensure that it sold like wildfire. Spamming is the last resort for those pitching products of no value which will never ever receive word-of-mouth endorsement by those who have wasted their money on them.

Please do everyone a favour and whenever someone has uploaded multiple videos all the same and all pitching to promote these lame schemes, take a moment to flag them all as spam. Just think, by doing this, you may be saving some innocent dupe from being fleeced.

This horrible scam is simply an attempt to separate you from a whopping $97 of your hard-earned cash. That money will get you access to a couple of e-books that purport to contain the secrets of doubling your fuel economy by breaking the laws of thermodynamics.

Don't waste your money. Don't become just another sucker who is taken in by shysters like these (and there are plenty more out there, I've just given one example).

In today's world of rapidly rising fuel prices, $97 won't buy you much gas but it'll get you a lot further than the worthless plans and instructions in these books.

If you have a website of your own, please add a link to this page so that it can be found by those poor hapless souls that might be contemplating wasting good money on one of these scams.

Now check out the scientific proof that shows just how impossible these "run your car on water" scams really are

Examining the science behind "HHO" systems

August 2008

It's been two months since I wrote my original articles on the subject of these "run your car on water" (RYCOW) schemes and I've been constantly researching the subject to get a better understanding of all the issues involved.

Let's see what the science says about these systems, even when we take into account the very real effect that hydrogen/oxygen enrichment can have on the efficiency of an internal combustion engine.

Scientific proof

By passing an electrical current through water, you can break the bonds that hold the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen together in the form of a water molecule.

This is good science and is a process that has been known since the 1800s.

To break these bonds however, requires a significant amount of electrical energy that must come from somewhere. In the case of the RYCOW systems, this energy has to come from the vehicle's alternator and in most cases, that limits the amount of available power to around 0.75-1.0KW.

Of course that 1KW or so also has to recharge the vehicle's battery, power the ignition, headlights etc, and run the various other accessories that abound in a modern car or truck.

So it's safer to assume that only around 600W is always available for the electrolysis cell, which is a maximum of around 50 amps.

Now if we delve into some more good science we find this formula for Faraday's First Law:

Vtheoretical (in m3 ) = (R I T t) / (F p z)

Where R=8.3414 Joule/(mol Kelvin), I=current(in amps), T=temp in Kelvin, t=time (in seconds) F=Faraday's constant = 96485 Coulombs per mol, p=ambient pressure (pascals), z=num of excess electrons.

If we plug some numbers into this formula and do some simple conversions then the following results appear:

237.1KJ is required to convert 1 Mole of water (18g) to H2/O2

To convert 1 Mole of water to gas via electrolysis will reuire 237.1KJ of energy

1 litre of H2O produces 55.55 Moles of H2 (1,358.3l) and 27.775 Moles (679.15l) of O2 (for a total volume of 2037.45l of H2/O2)

To convert 1 litre of H2O to H2 and O2 by electrolysis will require 3.658KWH

Of course all the above assumes a 100% efficiency and as we know this is simply not attainable with current materials and technology.

To get an idea as to how efficient the electrolysis process is when performed in a home-made electrolyser I found plenty of videos on YouTube where people proudly share their results.

This example is pretty typical so let's do the math:

12V x 40A ==> 480W

If we plug Faraday's First law into this figure, it suggest that in a 100% efficient cell we should be generating around 4.5 liters per minute of H2/O2 from 480W of electrical energy.

The cell in the YouTube video produces just 2.0 liters per minute, indicating an actual efficiency of around 44% - so we'll assume 50% efficiency for the rest of our calculations.

Now we need to take a look at some of the scientific research that demonstrates how hydrogen/oxygen enrichment can improve engine efficiency. This report (PDF) suggests a best-case improvement in thermal efficiency of around 14.8%-15% so we'll use the higher figure.

Now let's plug in some other figures and see if we can get a net-gain.

The engine in that paper was producing around 6.5HP at 1,500RPMs and needed 240 liters per hour (4 liters per minute) of H2/O2 gas.

An average auto engine will be capable of around 200HP and so a simple scaling would indicate that 30 times the 4lpm figure (or 120lpm) would be required to see the same 15% increase at full throttle. Of course we don't drive around at full throttle all the time so a safer figure to use would be the 20HP or so that an average-sized car requires to cruise at highway speeds.

20HP / 6.5HP = 3 times the horsepower so we'll need 3 times the fuel and three times the H2/O2 gas to see the same effect. That brings our H2/O2 requirement to 12.0 lpm.

Actually, at this stage we must also take into consideration that the engine in the paper was as diesel which uses significantly less fuel to create the same HP (due to the higher compression ratios and naturally more efficient cycle) -- that's why diesel vehicles get better MPGs than

gasoline-powered ones. So we'll allow a very conservative additional 20% to account for the greater mass of gasoline required to produce the same power.

That lifts the H2/O2 gas requirement to 14.4 lpm.

Now we see that the addition of 14.4 lpm of H2/O2 should (according to the scientific reports) increase our engine's horsepower by 14.8%-15% (we already decided to use the latter figure).

We're assuming a 20HP requirement for cruise speed so once we add the 14.4 lpm of H2/O2 the engine will output an additional 20 x 0.15 = three horsepower.

So far so good.

Next we have to work out how much energy we'll be taking back in order to create those 14.4lpm of H2/O2.

If we use Faraday's First Law again to calculate that figure we discover that we need around 1,536 watts - but that's only if our electrolysis cell was 100% efficient, which it's not.

We've assumed an efficiency (based on real-world figures) of just 50% for the electrolysis process so we need to double that figure -- which gives us 3,072W of electrical energy required to generate sufficient H2/O2 to give us the maximum fuel-efficiency improvement at cruise speeds.

That 3,072W is 4.1 horsepower.

Uh-oh, it looks like we're spending 4.1 horsepower creating H2/O2 gas but only getting 3 horsepower back. That's a net *loss* of 1.1hp which mean's we'll actually burn *more* fuel than if we hadn't gone to all this trouble.

But wait... it gets worse...

That 4.1hp assumes that our alternator is 100% efficient in turning mechanical energy into electrical energy -- which it certainly is not.

An auto-style alternator is actually only around 60% efficient so the actual amount of horsepower we'll be sucking from the engine to power our cell is going to be around 6.8hp.

Now we find that the net energy return from these "HHO" systems is an even bigger. We're spending 6.8 horsepower to boost the engine's output by just 3 horsepower.

That missing 3.8 horsepower will have to come from burning *MORE* not less gasoline.

I'm sorry -- but those are the facts, there is the science.

I invite anyone to pick holes in my science or my math.

HHO is a scam: water for fuel doesn’t work, don’t fall for it.

August 14, 2010 – 4:28 pm Posted in Uncategorized Tagged alternator, Aquygen, Brown's Gas, Daniel Dingel, dateline, electrolysis,

electrolyzer, fraud, FuelFromH2O, generator, h2o, HHO, hydrogen, lawsuit, MagDrive, mythbusters, nbc, physics, religion, scam, Stanley Meyer, SuperGen, watercar, waterfuel

UPDATE 2: For a detailed explanation of the physics involved and the calculations needed, as well as to see what happens when HHO religious nuts go against nerds that are far smarter than myself in terms of physics knowledge, you’ll enjoy reading this series of forum posts!

UPDATE: If you came here from one of the “I found this LINK” sites, you probably need this short version of this post: HHO  has been scientifically tested in a real Honda Civic, with a professionally installed HHO system.  It slightly reduced mileage in a before-and-after dyno test.  HHO as the sole fuel can’t exist as an electrolyzer system because it requires perpetual motion.  As an additive to the air intake of a gas engine, it doesn’t work because the electrolyzer (A) is inefficient, (B) puts a mechanical load on the engine that negates any benefit, (C) unless you have one the size of your trunk, it doesn’t make enough HHO gas to have a significant effect.  Read on if you want all the details.

There’s a reason that you can’t comment on the YouTube videos by MagDrive aka FuelFromH2O.com, and that’s simple: the guy doesn’t want that pesky thing called logic to ruin his source of income.  Back in 2006, I became intensely interested in the concept of fueling a car using electrolyzed water, and the MagDrive videos (particularly one about their so-called “SuperGen” gas generator in a two-tank F-150) were pretty convincing to me at the time.  Additionally, I read and watched a lot of things about Stanley Meyer, Daniel Dingel, and other players in what we now know of as “HHO” or “Brown’s Gas” powered vehicles.  I wanted to give it a shot myself, and I even played with some electrolysis stuff, but I eventually realized that the concept of a vehicle which runs on water is religion, not science, and a false religion at that.

Why would a computer business owner write a blog post about this, though?  It seems that people continue to get taken despite the mountain of evidence out there that this stuff doesn’t work, and searches on these terms reveal far more websites that indicate HHO works than those which declare it false and explain.  In particular, there seems to be no single page online that exists solely to explain that HHO does not and cannot work, covering not only the purely technical reasons but also the real-world tests and even some of the more ridiculous “religious beliefs” of the HHO crowd.

Thus, here’s the “short list” of why HHO devices are pure scams, and why they cannot and will not do what they claim, ever.

HHO electrolyzers don’t produce enough gas to run a vehicle. If a car consumes about 500L/min of air at idle, how is an HHO-producing electrolyzer that cranks out not even 2% of that going to keep the engine running at all?  One might claim that hydrogen is more powerful than gasoline, but that’s ignorant of the workings of good old fashioned chemistry.  The next

item also explains why HHO generators can’t increase mileage by reducing fuel consumption in a gasoline engine.

HHO generators consume electricity to create HHO gas. The car’s electrical system is drained significantly by an electrolyzer system.  That means the battery or the alternator is drained.  Alternators and generators convert mechanical energy to electrical energy, which is required to run an HHO generator, but the problem is that they resist their mechanical power source more as the current demand on them is increased; thus, attaching an electrolyzer for HHO generation drags down the engine, forcing it to work harder than normal to make the gas.  In the end, the engine requires more fuel to power the electrolyzer AND perform normal engine functions, so there’s no way to magically create free energy here.

MythBusters did a test of HHO and it failed, but HHO proponents claimed it failed because of poor construction. The truth is that it failed because it doesn’t work, for the two big reasons stated above.  No amount of electrolyte in the water or modification of the specifications of the HHO generator will change the law of conservation of energy: you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer it.

HHO generator pushers have something to hide and it shows. Look up MagDrive/FuelFromH2O on YouTube and notice how comments are always disabled on their videos.  Why is that?  Because this guy doesn’t want anyone to damage his revenue stream with a reasonable explanation that the laws of physics don’t get suspended by electrolyzing water!  THAT is why they’re disabled!  Dateline NBC also destroyed a waterfuel vendor by using actual dyno tests of a Honda Accord to see what difference was made, and when the vendor was confronted with the test results, they replied that “it must need re-tuning, obviously!”  Anything which points to these systems not working is automatically and immediately laughed at or concealed by these scammers.

HHO has been commercialized many times in the past, and every time the pusher of HHO “technology” is sued by their funding sources or pursued by the Federal Trade Commission. Look up the big names who “pioneered” HHO, and look at what they ended up doing.  Stan Meyer was sued by his investors because his product was snake oil.  Daniel Dingel is spending 20 years of his life in prison for defrauding investors.  Dennis Klein’s company Aquygen has a website which lists off partners (none), affiliates (only one Romanian company which has an empty website), and licensees (one whose website doesn’t even exist anymore).

HHO vendors aren’t legitimate businesses. Look up MagDrive on Google Maps.  Seriously, go to fuelfromh2o.com and look up the address of the business in Google Maps Street View.  I’ll save you the trouble; here’s a picture of “MagDrive FuelFromH2O L.L.C.” in Google Street View:

Essentially, MagDrive FuelFromH2O L.L.C. is some guy’s double-wide with a couple of tiny add-on buildings in the yard.  It’s not a real commercial establishment, it’s some guy making hydrogen generators in his backyard building and selling them over the Internet for hundreds of dollars to suckers who believe in the religion of HHO.  Look up Hydrogen Technology Applications (Aquygen) in Florida, and you’ll see that they’re in an office building full of small garage bay doors; there’s simply no way that they’re doing research and manufacturing of machinery with highly volatile and explosive gases inside a tiny office in a building jam packed with bail bonds places and medical practices.

No one else has done this before. Hydrogen has been known and thoroughly documented for a very long time.  Research by large corporations in highly competitive industries on using it as a fuel for powering mechanical devices such as cars spans many decades.  Why, then, with billions spent on hydrogen fuel cell research, is this obvious solution not already mass-market?  Because it’s not practical with current technology!  Conspiracy theories exist claiming “big oil killed Stan Meyer because he was going to destroy their industry.”  Once you start making the conspiracy stretch to validate your non-working product’s existence, it’s basically over, folks.

In conclusion, HHO is a heap of BS. Given the information presented here, you’d have to be a fool or a religious nut of HHOlogy to think otherwise.

If you think of anything you’d like to add, or have questions you’d like to ask me about this, please feel free to post a comment.

UPDATE: If you want a scientific explanation about why HHO electrolysis to fuel a car doesn’t work, you need to check out this Aardvark Daily article which explains it very well, and should

put any normal human being’s mind to rest on the subject.  Oh yeah, and read this article which responds to such silly notions as “HHO improves the efficiency of the gasoline engine, it’s not supposed to fuel the car entirely.”

Mahindra launches hydrogen-powered three-wheeler

January 9th, 2012 - 9:38 pm ICT by IANS  

New Delhi, Jan 9 (IANS) Mahindra and Mahindra (M&M;) Monday launched the world’s first hydrogen-fuel-run three-wheeler HyAlfa that will ply in Delhi soon.

“As part of its mobility initiatives, Mahindra has aimed at providing alternative fuel technology solutions and the HyAlfa is another step towards it,” said Pawan Goenka, president of the company’s automotive and farm equipment sectors.

The company did not divulge the price of the vehicle which was unveiled at the Auto Expo here.

According to Goenka, a fleet of 15 vehicles have been manufactured. “We have prepared 15 vehicles for integration of the optimised engine, storage system, fuelling system and safety features for this hydrogen-fuel-enabled vehicle.”

The vehicles will be refuelled at a station set up by US-based Air Products located at Pragati Maidan, where the fleet will operate.

The hydrogen-powered rickshaws and the refuelling station have been established under a project that aims to produce vehicles that would carry and use hydrogen, a carbon-free fuel, thereby reducing pollution.

Goenka added, that the company is currently developing a host of vehicles that can run on alternate-technologies such as electric, hybrid and fuel cells.

“We are already working on integrating a comprehensive eco-system of sustainable mobility solutions, encompassing alternative technologies such as electric, hybrid and fuel cells into our research, development and commercialization plans.”

The vehicle has costed $1 million in development over a span of three years, with half the expenditure being co-funded by the UNIDO and International Centre for Hydrogen Energy Technologies (UNIDO-ICHET) based in Istanbul, Turkey.

Working model of hydrogen-run lorry demonstrated

Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:02:36 PM by IANS  

Sydney, Nov 10 (IANS) A prototype, developed by researchers, could successfully show the way to developing hydrogen-powered trucks and ensure clean, green and silent transportation.

The prototype — an exact replica of an actual lorry — is operated by remote control and simulates the performance of a long-haul diesel truck.

The hydrogen-powered electrical system could also supply power for truck air-conditioning and radio, along with a trailer refrigeration unit.

Aleksandar Subic, professor and head of the School of Aerospace, Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT) University, said given rising diesel costs, new sustainable technologies are also cost effective for industry, according to a university statement.

John Andrews, associate professor at RMIT, said students were testing the small-scale truck against pre-defined dynamic loads, with the result being scaled up using mathematical models to predict the performance of a full-scale truck.

“A wireless data system is being used to monitor truck performance and collect the critical data such as hydrogen consumption rate and electrical power supply,” Andrews said.

Subic said: “For residents worried about fumes and noise, the prospect of a silent, zero-emission truck is exciting.”

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Idea behind the HHO Generator

Water - Two thirds Hydrogen and one third Oxygen. One liter of water could be split into a mix of 1800 liters of Hydrogen-Oxygen gas.

Studies at MIT laboratories and other independent research institutes shows that a HHO gas enhanced engine can work at ultra lean regime with increased combustion stability, resulting in net efficiency increase of 50% or more and the bonus: more horse-power. Pure science no guesswork.

Best part: No changes to the engine itself is needed, Just the HHO cell.

“The whole concept of hydrogen on demand is based on the idea of feeding small amounts of Hydrogen and Oxygen mix into the engine’s air intake. No changes to the engine itself is required.”

The purpose of this site - Detailed HHO Generator

The purpose of this site is to introduce the hho generator. A device which generates hydrogen / oxygen gas (aka HHO, HHO Gas) from water.

You will learn how to use HHO gas to reduce fuel consumption and pollution and how to properly tune the car to work with those changes.

The site includes complete plans of the hho generator: 3D model of the device, drawing kit of all parts and complete instructions of how to construct the cell and tune the car.

Hho hydrogen generator could be easily created and installed on a car or truck, it improves the attributes of both gasoline and diesel engines.

Actually the HHO generator is “free 120 octane enhancer” to car’s fuel mixture.

Only small amount of hho gas is required to improve the combustion so with the correct electrolysis cell and proper fine tuning to the ignition system the additional load on the alternator is be minimal.

Before we begin: This information is not for everyone, only for open-minded people willing to spend amount of time on trying new things and “demand” from their car top performance that auto companies refuse to supply.

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Moment of clarity: If all vehicles in the US will implement the suggested Hydrogen technology and general fuel economy will drop even by 25% there will be no need in about 90% of the oil imported from the Middle East...

                             HHO Generator plans

The first step is to build the hydrogen gas saver.

You’re going to meet the First Aid HHO Cell

from the inside. Comprehensive explanation

about the device and how to build it including

drawings and 3D pictures.

This device produces a lot of hydrogen/oxygen gas on low amperage and even make you save fuel when not connected to power supply!

It is easy to build and contain no expansive parts.

If you ready click to dive into the world of high mileage!

Lean burning

Constructing the hho booster is only the first step in the right direction, but without a proper tuning to the car the whole concept is worthless. Tuning the car’s injection system or the carburetor is our next mission.

In order to really start saving fuel we need to make the car to work in ultra-lean regime (less fuel per cycle). This mode is only possible thanks to the hydrogen booster we constructed earlier.

if we just increase the amount of air in the mixture the engine will run hotter, but if we replace some of the air with Hydrogen/Oxygen mixture from the booster the running temperature will actually go down while the engine converting more chemical energy into motion instead of heat...