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Mr. JE
NN
ER
. Did
yo
u an
d L
ee hav
e any
interest in
the C
ivil A
ir Patro
l? . M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Yes ; I think I got him
interested in it. We got to talking about
it and I to
ld h
im as m
uch
as I knew
about it, an
d I th
ink b
e attended
may
be
one or two m
eetings, and I think he even subsequently bought a uniform, and
he atten
ded
at least one m
eeting th
at I remem
ber, in
that u
nifo
rm, b
ut after
that he didn't show up again.
Mr. JE
NN
ER
. He just attended tw
o meetings of the C
AP
? -M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Tw
o or three meetings, I w
ould say. M
r. JEN
xza. And that's all he attended?
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. Y
es. He lost interest after that, I think.
Mr.
JEN
NE
R. W
ho
u as th
e majo
rdo
mo
of th
e CA
P u
nit th
at yo
u atten
ded
? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. I thin
k it w
as Cap
tain F
errie. I th
ink b
e was th
ere when
Let
attend
ed o
ne o
f these m
eeting
s, bu
t I'm n
ot su
re of th
at. No
w th
at I thin
k o
f it, I d
on
't thin
k C
aptain
Ferrie w
as there at th
at time, b
ut h
e _m
igh
t hav
e been. T
hat isn't too clear to me:
- M
r. JEN
NE
& L
ee did
bu
y a u
nifo
rm to
attend
these C
AP
meetin
gs an
d jo
in
the u
nit?
• If
• t M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Yes; be bought a uniform
and everything, and he seemed to be
very
interested
at the o
utset. H
e even
got a p
aper ro
ute, I th
ink it w
as,' or
som
ethin
g, to
get en
ou
gh
. mo
ney
tog
ether to
bu
y th
e un
iform
; he w
as that
interested, and that's why I thought it strange w
hen he didn't attend any more
meetings. M
r. JEN
NE
& Y
ou thought that was strange?
.
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. Y
es. After all this happened, and, of course, this is m
y opinion now
, I guess—not then, but I think now
maybe he liked the uniform
to wear
more than he did like going to the school, w
ith those classes that we had.
Mr. JE
NN
ER
. You bad classes at these m
eetings of the CA
P unit?
Mr. W
ES
EL
. Oh, yes; w
e had classes, and maybe that w
as the thing that Lee
did
n't care fo
r, becau
se after tho
se cou
ple o
f meetin
gs h
e Just d
idn't sh
ow
up any m
ore. M
r. JE
NN
ER
. Did
these classes at th
e CA
P u
nit th
at yo
u atten
ded
requ
ire som
e study? .t,.
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. Y
es ; they did. M
r. JEN
NE
& D
id L
ee ever talk
to y
ou
earlier life?
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. H
is "history"? M
r. JEN
NE
R. Y
es; his background—anything about his fam
ily before he ever m
et you? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Well, be m
entioned the fact about his father dying, but he didn't talk about m
uch else; I mean about w
hen he was younger, or anything like that.
Maybe he m
ight have mentioned about com
ing here from T
exas, and things like th
at, you
kno
w, at d
ifferent tim
es, but I d
on't recall all o
f that n
ow
. I go
t the
Impression som
ewhere that he w
asn't born here, and I got the impression that
he was from
Texas at that tim
e, but, of course, that wasn't correct, as I learned
after all this happened. But, I m
ean, we didn't sit around talking about things
like th
at. We w
ere mo
re interested
, I gu
ess, in th
ing
s at scho
ol an
d th
ing
s that w
ere going around, more up to date, I guess you w
ould say. • , M
r. JEN
NE
R. D
id he talk to you at all about his life in Texas,. or to anyone in
your presence, that you recall? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. No. I m
ean, he might have m
entioned it at different times, just
as a passing remark, or som
ething. You know
how that is, but if he did it has
just slip
ped
my m
ind, b
ecause it w
asn't an
yth
ing th
at would
impress m
e so
that I would rem
ember it
Mr.
JEN
NE
R. D
id y
ou
attend
these C
AP
meetin
gs o
nce a w
eek o
r twice a
week, or bow
often? M
r. V
OE
BE
L. T
wice a w
eek, an
d n
ow
that I th
ink
of it, L
ee mig
ht h
ave ac-
tually
attended
two o
r three m
eetings. It seem
s like h
e may
be atten
ded
two
or three of them, but anyw
ay he quit then, all of a sudden. He just quit com
ing, so I figured he bad lost interest in the w
hole thing. M
r. JE
NN
ER
. Do y
ou h
ave an
y id
ea what m
ade h
im, q
uit atten
din
g th
ose
classes? M
r. V
OE
BE
L. W
ell, as I
remem
ber, w
e were h
avin
g classes th
en o
n th
e
weath
er, and
that can
be a d
rab su
bject, alth
ou
gh
it is essential, b
ut m
ayb
e that's w
hy lie quit coming; I don't know
. M
r. JE
NN
ER
. Wa
s this CA
P unit coeducational?
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. Y
es. M
r. JE
NN
EE
. Becau
se som
etimes th
at can stim
ulate y
our in
terest too, isn
't th
at right?
Mr.
VO
EB
EL
. Well, to
tell yo
u th
e truth
, no
. I had
no
girl frien
d o
ut th
ere at that tim
e. I had a girl at the school, but that was it.
Mr.
JEN
NE
R. B
ut th
ere were g
irls ou
t at this u
nit, atten
din
g th
ese classes? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Yes; b
ut th
ey w
ere kep
t pretty
well sep
arated fro
m u
s. They
m
ight have been in the classes, lint the girls out there didn't interest me.
Mr. JE
NN
ER
. Did they interest L
ee? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. NO
;. I don't th
ink so
. He w
asn't v
ery in
terested in
girls.
Mr. JE
NN
ER
. He w
as not?
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. N
o. A
t least it did
n't im
press m
e that h
e was. H
e did
n't sh
ow
any inclination tow
ard girls at all, that I could see. M
r. JEN
NE
& D
id be have any sex deviation of any kind? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. None w
hatever. M
r. JEN
NE
R. F
rom your experience, be seem
ed to be perfectly normal in that
respect? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Yes.
Mr. JE
NN
E&
He m
ight have been interested in 'girls, but he just wasn't push-
ing it at that time if he w
as, is that about it? M
r. VO
WE
L. I th
ink h
e was m
ore b
ashfu
l about g
irls than
anyth
ing else. I
think that was probably it.
Mr. JE
NN
ER
. Is there anything that you can think of from your acquaintance
with
Lee, fro
m w
hat y
ou k
new
about h
im th
en, th
at you co
uld
tell us th
at w
ould be helpful to the Com
mission, aside from
what I have asked you?
Mr. V
OE
BE
L. N
o; I can't think of anything else. M
r. Jzsrxes. N
ow
, in tak
ing th
ese dep
ositio
ns, y
ou h
ave th
e priv
ilege o
f read
ing
and
sign
ing
yo
ur d
epo
sition
, or y
ou
can w
aive th
at priv
ilege an
d let
the rep
orter tran
scribe th
e dep
ositio
n, an
d it w
ill be sen
t on to
Wash
ingto
n.
Ho
wev
er, if yo
u w
ant to
read an
d sig
n it, it w
ill be tran
scribed
, and th
e U.S
. / atto
rney
will co
ntact y
ou an
d let y
ou k
now
when
you m
ay co
me in
and read
and sign it. W
hat is your preference in that regard? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Well, I d
on't h
ave to
read it an
d sig
n it.
I hav
e just to
ld y
ou
w
hat I know about it.
Mr. JE
FN
ER
. You prefer to w
aive that then? M
r. VO
EB
EL
. Yes.
Mr. S
IMN
EL
All right. T
hank you for coming in.
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
WIL
LIA
M E
. WU
LF
The testim
ony of William
E. W
ulf was taken on A
pril 7-8, 1964, at the Old
Civil C
ourts Building, R
oyal and Conti S
treets, New
Orleans, L
a., by Mr. W
esley J. L
iebeler, assistant counsel of the President's C
omm
ission.
William
E. W
ulf, having been first duly sworn, w
as examined and testified
as follows:
Mr. L
rEsztan. M
r. Wulf, m
y name is W
esley J. Liebeier. I am
a mem
ber of the legal staff of the P
resident's Com
mission investigating the assassination of
President K
ennedy. Staff m
embers have been authorized to take the testim
ony of w
itnesses by the Com
mission pursuant to authority granted to the C
omm
is-sion by E
xecutive Order N
o. 11130, dated Novem
ber 29, 1963, and Joint Resolu-
tion of Congress N
o. 137. I understand that M
r. Rankin w
rote to you last week—
M
r. WU
LF
. Correct.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Advising you that I w
ould be in touch with you—
M
r. Wm
". Right.
about himself and his history, of
his
14 15
4
time. N
o, I m
oved from
Lt.c.A
UV
U
,,„0„,fterecirNttrU
ilein-s. Is that correct?
Mr. O
'Sru
tvex. Yes ; B
eauregard
Jun
ior High
, M
r. LIE
RE
LE
R. B
eauregard Junior High?
Mr. O
'Su
uivesr. O
n C
anal S
treet. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. Y
our own education included attendance at B
eauregard Junior H
igh S
chool?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. It did. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. H
ow long did you go to B
eauregard? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. O
ne year. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. A
nd where did you go prior to that tim
e? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. St. D
ominic's.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. St. Dom
inic's? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. E
lementary school.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Here in N
ew O
rleans? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. In L
akeview in N
ew O
rleans. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. A
fter you left Beauregard, w
here did you go? M
r. 0'8/mu
rex. I wen
t to Warren
Easton
Sen
ior High
Sch
ool. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. Is that here in N
ew O
rleans also? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. Y
es. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. A
nd did you graduate from W
arren Easton H
igh School? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. I did.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Did you attend college at any place?
Mr. O
'SU
LL
IVA
N. Y
es; I am in
college in L
oyola right n
ow th
rough
a police
dep
artmen
t scholarsh
ip.
Mr.. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Tell u
s everythin
g that you
can rem
emb
er abou
t Osw
ald
wh
en you
kn
ew h
im at B
eauregard
Jun
ior High
Sch
ool, how
you m
et him
, w
hat con
tacts you h
ad w
ith h
im, ju
st the w
hole story.
Mr. O
'Su
urv
ex. A
ll righ
t. I was a
cad
et in C
ivil A
ir Patro
l, an
d w
hile
I was in
Bea
ureg
ard
we w
ere havin
g a
recruitin
g d
rive to
get m
ore ca
det
mem
bers in
the N
ew O
rleans sq
uad
ron, an
d th
ere were th
ree fellows at th
e sch
ool th
at I ta
lked
to in
particu
lar a
bou
t join
ing th
at. O
ne w
as J
osep
h
Th
omp
son, on
e was E
dw
ard V
oebel—
I am n
ot sure h
ow th
at nam
e is spelled
—an
d L
ee Harvey O
swald
. My reason
for askin
g Osw
ald to join
was I n
oticed—
we had a drill team
, we w
ere real proud of our drill team.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. This w
as a marching team
? M
r. O'S
uL
LIV
AN
. A m
archin
g un
it; yes, sir, and
Osw
ald carried
him
self alw
ays erect, always gave th
e imp
ression th
at he cou
ld b
e march
ing, th
at he
may b
e march
ing, eyes straigh
t ahead
, head
straight, sh
ould
ers back
, so he
imp
ressed m
e as th
e sort o
f a fello
w th
at w
ou
ld rea
lly fit w
ell on
the d
rill team
. He seem
ed lik
e he cou
ld—
well, h
e even gave th
e imp
ression th
at he w
ould
m
ake a p
retty good lead
er if he ever got in
to the sq
uad
ron, so w
ith th
is re-cru
iting d
rive I asked
the th
ree of them
to come ou
t to the airp
ort. I explain
ed
wh
at we d
id ou
t there, m
archin
g and
flying on
the w
eeken
ds an
d so forth
to th
em a
t school. J
osep
h T
hom
pso
n a
nd
Osw
ald
an
d V
oeb
el all th
ree cam
e ou
t to the airp
ort. Joe Th
omp
son stayed
in th
e squ
adron
, and
Osw
ald cam
e to on
e or two m
eetings, p
ossibly th
ree, along w
ith V
oebel H
owever, V
oebel
then
join
ed th
e Civ
il Air P
atro
l at M
oisa
nt A
irport, a
nd
beca
use h
e was a
closer frien
d of O
swald
, he evid
ently talk
ed O
swald
into com
ing ou
t to the
squ
adron
he h
ad join
ed.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. At M
oisant Field?
Mr. O
'SLIT
.LIV
AN
. At M
oisant Airport.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Right.
r M
r. O'S
ur.u
vex
. Yes. In
ciden
tally
, Osw
ald
—I d
idn
't kn
ow
this
I read it in
the p
ap
er—liv
ed o
nly
a h
alf a
blo
ck fro
m m
e for a
short tim
e. I tired
in L
akeview
at 800 Fren
ch S
treet, I believe, an
d h
e lived eith
er in th
e 800 or th
e 700 block
of Fren
ch S
treet. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. T
hat w
ould
have b
een in
1003 wh
en h
e came h
ere to New
O
rleans? Is th
at correct? M
r. O'S
ur.u
vett. O
h, I d
idn
't live th
ere at th
at
Fren
ch S
treet aroun
d 1957.
28
,vax, rem
emb
er anyth
ing else ab
out O
swald
at the tim
e—
he w
as in B
eauregard
Jun
ior High
Sch
ool with
you, ab
out h
is friend
ship
s? D
id be have many friends at that tim
e, or do you recall? M
r. O'S
UL
LIV
AN
. No; I b
elieve he an
d I, b
ecause of th
e spellin
g of our last
nam
es, were p
ossibly in
the sam
e hom
eroom in
the m
ornin
g, bu
t I
really don't recall an
ythin
g. I don
't recall mu
ch ab
out an
y of the stu
den
ts at Beau
-reg
ard
or a
t Warren
Easto
n. I so
rt of—
I was a
n a
thlete, a
nd
we sta
yed
aw
ay fro
m th
e rest of th
e stud
ents. T
hey
had
a th
ing th
at th
ey k
ept us
away from
the rest of th
e stud
ents p
retty mu
ch.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. You say you w
ere an athlete at Beauregard?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. Yes, sir.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. What particular sport w
ere you involved in? M
r. O'SuulvA
e. Football and track, and the sam
e at Warren E
aston. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. D
id O
swald
, as far as you k
now
, ever have an
ythin
g to do w
ith sp
orts activities? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. N
o. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. D
o you rem
emb
er wh
ether O
swald
and
Voeb
el were close
acqu
aintan
ces at that tim
e, or do you
kn
ow?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. Only in that V
oebel left the New
Orleans squadron and w
ent ou
t to Moisan
t and
eviden
tly—or I b
elieve he talk
ed O
swald
into com
ing ou
t th
ere with
him
. M
r. Ltraeu
nt. N
ow you
don
't kn
ow of you
r own
kn
owled
ge wh
ether or n
ot O
swald ever did join the C
ivil Air P
atrol, do you? M
r. O'S
UL
LIV
AN
. No; I d
on't k
now
that b
e signed
any p
apers or h
ad u
ni-
form
s or a
nyth
ing. I k
now
that h
e cam
e ou
t to N
ew O
rlean
s Airp
ort a
nd
atten
ded
some of th
e meetin
gs, bu
t wh
ether h
e Just—
you see, a lot of tim
e p
eople w
ould
come ou
t and
sit in th
e classes to decid
e wh
ether th
ey wan
ted
to jo
in o
r not. W
e will a
llow
this, h
op
ing to
get more cad
ets. I don
't kn
ow
that h
e ever signed
any p
apers or Join
ed. Y
ou can
check
with
the L
ouisian
a W
ing H
eadq
uarters an
d th
ey can give it to you
M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. Y
ou d
on't k
now
wh
ether O
swald
ever did
actually go ou
t to M
oisant Field to C
ivil Air P
atrol meetings at that place?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. No.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Did
you h
ave rifles as a part of you
r Civil A
ir Patrol p
ro- gram
? Did
you M
ire rifle practice an
d d
rill with
rifles? M
r. O'S
UL
LIV
AN
. We d
idn
't drill w
ith rifles, b
ut w
e did
belon
g to the N
RA
an
d w
e did
fire rifles on th
e range, an
d also w
hen
we w
ent to su
mm
er camp
w
e wou
ld fire on
the ran
ge. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. N
RA
is the National R
ifle Association? Is that correct?
Mr. O
'Stmuve.N
. Correct.
Mr. L
IEB
EIE
IL W
hat k
ind
of rifles did
you fire w
hen
you w
ent to su
mm
er cam
p? M
r. O'S
UL
LIV
AN
. Now
I sin gettin
g sum
mer cam
p m
ixed u
p w
ith th
e Na-
tional G
uard
. I believe w
e fired .22's in
the C
AP
. M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. D
id you
ever observe O
swald
engage in
rifle practice of an
y k
ind
in con
nection
with
CA
P activities?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. No, B
in M
r. LIE
BE
LE
R. D
o you k
now
wh
ether or n
ot Osw
ald ever d
id en
gage in an
y rifle p
ractice in con
necticn
with
the O
AP
? M
r. O'SU
LL
IVA
N. N
o, sir. M
r. Lu
x/um
Do you
kn
ow D
avid F
errie, F-e-r-r-i-e?
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. Yes, sir ; I know
him.
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Do you
kn
ow of an
y conn
ection b
etween
Osw
ald an
d D
avid
rental'
Mr. O
'SUL
LIV
AN
. No; I have no personal know
ledge of anything. M
r. Ltsn
mE
n. F
errie was in
volved w
ith th
e CA
P sq
uad
ron at N
ew O
rleans
Airp
ort at the tim
e Voeb
el and
Osw
ald cam
e out to join
it? Is that correct?
Mr. O
'SU
LL
IVA
N. F
errie was in
charge of th
e squ
adron
, and
then
there w
as a C
aptain
Hin
ton. N
ow I w
as in th
e squ
adron
for 0 years, so I am n
ot sure
wh
o w
as in
charg
e at w
hat p
articu
lar tim
e. I sin n
ot su
re. He co
uld
have
been
. He m
ay h
ave b
een, b
ut I a
m n
ot su
re. I kn
ow
that w
hen
he left th
e N
ew O
rleans sq
uad
ron, F
errie did
have som
ethin
g to do w
ith th
e Moisan
t
29
"I to-
7 F
errie through the Civil A
ir Patrol?
It.- f riZ1•1.1.1V
AIS. N
o; I am not sure of any.
"t I,trat int. Now
you said that you had no personal knowledge or no direct
l'a"."71,,le,• of any relationship between O
swald and F
errie? O
f. 11'Sri..i.tvmv. N
o. .. ...
Ot. 1.ts,m
ittn. Do you hare any inform
ation that would lead you to believe
II" /tore w
as a relationsh
ip b
etween
these tw
o m
en?
s -..
".- trS
t.t.1.11•Atv. O
nly that when all of this broke w
ith Oslivaid, I w
ent nu •••.!,it nil of the old C
AP
tiles that were available, trying to get som
e informa-
11,44 ter I he Secret S
ervice, the people who had called m
e.up at home, and-
4 / l- /,tritrutA
t. Where w
ere these flies located? /
Ait I t'S
eit.tvsa. H
e was also
a mem
ber o
f the C
AP
at the tim
eme all w
ere, at ''t•h
• oilcan
s. 1,thos1.sa. R
ow did the records com
e to be in his possession? 1114 IvsenlvA
st. lie is a senior mem
ber now. H
e has maybe rece tly dropped
"441. h
ilt he w
as a senio
r mem
ber an
d th
ese record
s were ,ju
st turn
ed o
ver to
141444
iii the w
hole filin
g cab
inet. T
hey
are all old
record
s. I am W
ing to
get
the itttog straight in my m
ind. Of course, I have been trying to ge4.1t straight
Lt lat m
itul, ju
st what I k
now
and w
hat I hav
e heard
. It gets ifin
d o
f con-
fu,",,, w
hen
you read
so m
uch
. Som
etimes y
ou rem
ember th
ing! th
at you
do"
4 4 r nil y rem
ember, you know
. ost%:.;i...i,i17.1rtiE
tett. Did you find anything in these tiles that related
Ferrie o
r D
lr. 1! R1y.iacA
x. Well, w
e found papers signed by Ferrie but no
in rela-
"'at
ti,wald
. His n
ame w
asn't m
entio
ned
in an
yth
ing at all tb
we co
uld
fitid,
we assu
med
at that tim
e that O
swald
was in
the M
oisan
squad
ron.
ILcli
t,,they even had in the paper the dates, and w
e checked th particular
dales ar,t it ten
ted o
ut th
at Ferrie w
as in a tran
sition b
etween
the X
Orlean
s sella4
•en an
d th
e Moisan
t squad
ron in
these d
ates, so h
e could
ha
cot been in-
beet,. eith
er w
ay w
ith O
swald
. I don't k
now
if he w
as involv
ed, h
e uld
hav
e M
r. avant lot. Dui you found nothing in the files?
Mt. ■
''s .1
AV
. Nothing concrete.
111r, rvi,:i.v.;v:. T
hat you investigated as to the relation between O
swald and
Ferrie M
r. c1.s!,,1tIvAN
. No.
Mr.
Trstl.tit. A
m I co
rrect in u
nderstan
din
g th
at there h
as been
publicity
here ;,
r'w N
ew O
rleans area concerning a possible relationship between O
swald
and .b M
r- V •t41.1.1.1v A
N. Y
es, sir ; I believe Captain F
errie was arrested. I am
sure lie ‘va- reested
and I b
elieve it w
as in co
nnectio
n w
ith th
is Osw
ald situ
ation.
Ile it t•eek
ed at th
e first district statio
n. I d
on't k
now
just w
hat h
e was
charges k
now,
snT
ilt, I believe just 107, under investigation of whatever it w
as, I don't •
-.cc, es. New
you go ahead. •
lice
L
ieutenant Dw
yer, Paul D
wyer, front the N
ew O
rleans Po-
-Intent. intelligence division, I accompanied him
out to New
Orleans A
ir- port N
I tem
ni D
ave F
erries airplan
e. We w
anted
to ch
eek it to
see if it "
II' "' "
0 to
p
ossib
ly w
hether he had been flying it lately, with the thought
that h
e have transported O
swald to D
allas. This isn't m
y thoughti this was
brougliz '‘oi h. me, and w
e found his plane, but his plane was not in flyable con-
dition. len
t eat tires, instru
men
ts missin
g, n
eeded
a pain
t job. .;;W
e also
checkesi ,•04 , if he had rented an aircraft from
any of the companies out there,
and w
ic in
particu
lar said th
at they
would
n't ren
t him
tut-airplane.
tat. Did they tell you w
hy? • M
r. ll'r1•11 WA
N. N
o.
on tn
e vice sq
uad
? Is that co
rrect?. M
r. O'S
uiravAir. Y
es, sir. M
r. 'AM
ME
R. A
re you assigned to a particular aspect of vice activities het in N
ew O
rleans? M
r. O'S
utu
ms. N
il, sir; there are o
nly
nin
e of u
s to co
ver th
e whole cit3
T
herefore, we handle any vice, gam
bling, prostitution, homosexuals, handbooks
Anything that com
es under the rice laws, w
e handle. M
r. JAM
ME
R. Y
ou h
ave n
ever h
ad an
y co
ntact w
ith F
errie in co
nnectim
w
ith y
our activ
ities on th
e vice sq
uad
? Is that co
rrect? M
r. O'S
uLtivA
r. No; F
errie lives or he did live in Jefferson Parish. W
e have no authority in Jefferson P
arish. [Deletion.]
Mr. L
IEB
EL
ER
. Now
see if you can recall or think back to your experiences it the B
eauregard Junior High S
chool, and tell us if you can remem
ber anythin6 else or if there is anything else that you w
ant to add what you have already said
about your knowledge of O
swald and his activities at the tim
e be was at B
eaure gard Junior H
igh School.
Mr. O
'Strurvssr. W
ell, I have put quite a bit of thought on this ever since it all happened, especially since I have gotten this correspondence relative to w
hat I k
now
about it, an
d as m
uch
as I would
like to
help
you as m
uch
as I can, I
just can
't thin
k o
f anyth
ing else. I d
on't w
ant to
say so
meth
ing I am
not su
re of. W
ell, actually, even if I thought of something, I w
ould tell you and tell you I am
not sure, but there is nothing else I can think of. M
r. LIE
/3E1.M
All rig
ht. I h
ave n
o o
ther q
uestio
ns at th
is time, an
d if th
ere is nothing else that you w
ant to add to the record, on behalf of the Com
mission,
I want to thank you very m
uch for your cooperation. .
Mr. O
'Surzi'vefi. Y
es, sir; thank you.
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
MR
S. M
ILD
RE
D S
AW
YE
R
The testim
ony of Mrs. M
ildred Saw
yer was taken on A
pril 7-8,1964, at the Old
Civ
il Courts B
uild
ing, R
oyal an
d C
onti S
treets, New
Orlean
s, La., b
y M
r. W
esley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the P
resident's Com
mission.
Mrs. M
ildred Saw
yer, having been first duly sworn, w
as examined and testi-
fied as follows:
Mr. L
IEB
EL
EE
. My nam
e is Wesley J. L
iebeler. I am
a mem
ber o
f the leg
al staff of the P
resident's Com
mission investigating the assassination of P
resident K
enned
y. T
he C
om
missio
n staff m
embers h
ave b
een au
thorized
to tak
e the
testimony of w
itnesses by the Com
mission pursuant to authority to the C
om-
mission by E
xecutive Order N
o. 11130, dated Novem
ber 29, 1963, and Joint Res-
olution of Congress N
o. 137. I u
nderstan
d th
at Mr. R
ankin
wro
te to y
ou last w
eek an
d to
ld y
ou th
at we
would be in touch w
ith you about the taking of your testimony.
Mrs. SA
WY
ER
. Yes.
Mr. L
rearsza. And that he enclosed w
ith that letter a copy of the Executive
order and the congressional resolution to which I have just referred, and also
a copy of the Com
mission ' s rules governing the taking of testim
ony of witnesses.
Is that correct?
Mrs. SA
WY
ER
. That is co
rrect. At th
e time th
at I spoke to
your M
r. Gerrets
last night, I hadn't gone through some m
ail that was in m
y place and had been picked up by m
y aunt when she cam
e by and picked up the mail on that S
aturday m
orn
ing, an
d I h
adn't ev
en b
oth
ered g
oin
g th
rough it, b
ecause m
ost o
f the
time the m
all I have is Just bills or some advertisem
ents, and it is very incon- sequential, so, as a result, after bearing that I w
as supposed to have a letter, I becam
e a little curious and looked, and I found that there was one.
Mr.
LIE
aEL
ER
. Good. T
echnically
, witn
esses are entitled
to 3
day
s' notice
befo
re bein
g req
uired
to ap
pear. I d
on't th
ink y
ou h
ad q
uite 3
day
s' notice,
wnen ne w
ent to Moisant
t.ir;ral.r.e. But you don't know
of any time that O
swald associated w
ith
1 • rst.i.t.ivA
sz. These files are la the possession of one R
obert Boylston.
114 1,71-R
EL
ER
. Who w
as be?
30
31
MO WM. *VC
r.c .7%1 • 7r/
• ,.',.,•11•'•
DEPARTMENT OF POLICE I
INTEROFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
TO DATE November 27,156 FLOM Sot H. Atatn_i_ppl. R. Frey SUBJECT. Relative to Oswald Case - Interview with one
Sam Newman. this date. oss, Commis:den Exhibit 1413
The undersigned officers respectfully report that at about 2:20 P.M., Wednesday, November 27, 1963, they arrived at 4114 St. Charles Avenue, an apartment house managed by WM, residing 1337 Mithra Street. Mr. ---- .115.---ec,t..eve he owner of the offices at.544 Camp Street and the purpose of this interview was to learn of the leasing of one of the offices at 544 Camp Street by the organization known as the Fair Play for Cuba Coattee.
Upon being questioned ecut the a boa, Mt. Newman stated that about fifteen months ago he leased an office at 544 Camp Street to an organization known to him as the Cuban Revolutionary Society. Hr. Newman stated that this group was run by young Monteleone of the Monteleone Hotel. Newman also stated that COY Banister vas well acquainted wIth this organisation. When asked if he knew either Lee Oswald or a man named Hidell, 54.. Newman sated that Be did not know anyone by name associated with this group. Mt. Newman did state however that this organization was in this office for only about 4 or 5 months, and since they fell behind in their rent, he put them out. He also stated that after this, someone who had the key came into this office and when he, Mr. Newman, asked them what they were doing there, this man stated that he as taking over the office. }P. Newman stated that he took the key from this man and put him out. hP. Newman described this man as a white male blond bier. ' and red complexion. When asked, Mr. Newman stded that he knew nothing of the organisation, Fair Play for Cuba. Mr. Newman showed the officers a page in a small notebook which he took from his pocket. On this page were the following two names: Touts Babel, who Mr. Newnan stated h-aded the Cuban Revebutionaly Society. (a telephone number appeared by this time and was recored by the officers as W87-5544). The other name on this page was: Grimmader, who mr. Newman stated had an auditing firm in the Audubon Building (telephone number by this name was 524-23383 Mr. Newman received a Check for the rent of Mace from Mr. Grimader.
N. Mr. Newman stated that he had given all this information to She 7.114 and the Secret Service. This interview was ampleted at about 2s50 PAL.
lesPeotfon11 art. Werae4. Attain 21.. DK. Robert F. Prey
COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 1413—Continued
-JO
DEPARTMENT OF POLICE INTEROFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
TO , Mater P. J. Troselair Jr. DATE November 215126 FR,4
SUBJECT: Relative to Oswald Case - Interview with one Sidney, Edward Voebel._tivis data.
The undersigned officers respectfully report that at about 11,45 A.M., this date, Wednesday, November 27, 1963, they entered the Quality Florists, located 4916 Canal Street, for the purpose of meeting with and interviewing Sidney Edward Voebel relative to his knowledge of Lee Harvey I/swat/. Sidney Voebel identified himself to the officers and stated that he is 23 years of age, D.O.B. 4/24/40. He stated that he was born in New Orleans and has resided at 4916 Canal Street, the Quality Florists, owned by his parents, sine* that time.
• Voebel stated that he attended Beauregard Juilion High School until 1955, and that he met Oswald while at this school as Oswald attended school there also. Vaal stated that he Joined the Civil Air Patrol Cadets at Moisant Airport in 1954 or 1955 (not sure). Voebel asked Oswald to Join also and Oswald did Join a short time after Voeble, but only stayed about one month. beginl stated that Oswald bought his uniform and that he, Voebel, believes Oswald received his membership card. Voebel further stated that he first met Oswald in 1954 or 1955 and knew his for about 1+ years. Voebel stated that he took music lessons at Werleins on Canal Street and would go to Oswald' home at 126 Exchange Place to see Oswald on these dates. Voebel also stated that Oswald had mentioned distributing advertising circulars while in school. When asked if Oswald ever expressed political views to Voebel, Wastel stated that Oswald had not, and that he Voebel, beleived Oswald eI no leftist political views until later in his life. Voebel stated that he believed Oswald attended a party (not sure) at the home of Dave Ferris (Captain) right after the members of the C.A.P.C. received their stripes. Voebel was questioned about his knowledge of David Peale and stated that he knew very little. Voebel stated that Ferrie took over the C.A.P.C. at Foisant Airport about 6 months after he, Voebel, had Joined. Voebel stated that Ferris seemed like a "charaterm, that he rode a motorcycle, and Vaal stated that he had beard that Ferris was a brilliant man with many. de When asked if Ferri* bad organised any flying group other than
COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 1413—Continued
2
3)
the C.A.P.C., Weibel stated that he did not know of any. when aksed if had ever heard of the Eagle Squadron, Voebel stated that he had hot. When asked if he, Voebel, had ever flown with Dave Foyle, Voebel stated that he had not, bat other boys had made local flights with him. When asked if he knew of Terra flying on long trips, out of this country, Voebel stated that he did not. Voebel gave the name of one other person, a member of the C.A.P.C. in 1955, as John Mendell (not sure of the impelling of the loot nome). Voehel stated that Capt. Perri. wanted Sandell to sot a radio license for use In the C.A.P.C.. Voebel stated that he remained a member of the C.A.P.C. about One year.
Other fats obtained from Voebel relative to himself are as follows, Voebel was graduated from Fortier High School in 155E. He then attended the Marlon )111tery Institute, Marion, Alabama, in 1959 and 1960. Ee then served sic months in the U. S. Army, taking his 1,./C at Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas, And serving tho remained the and being discharged from Ft. Gordon, Georgia. Voebel presently reeides at 4.116 Canal Street, where he assists in the operation or the Quality Florists at that address. Voebel is {recently in the II Unit 7515, at Camp Leroy Johnson, New Orleans. Vahol slug stated that he has been interviewed by members of rie Federal a...a of investigation, the tiara Service and by ambers of the awe media. Voehel we also interviewed publicly on Wwl..TV a day or so *far the area of La Oswald in Dallas, .....
Title Internee was aonelwdol et mbemi 12,10 P.M..
at. &era* J. Baal& C.
Dot. Robert S. Frey
COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 1413—Continued
Coma Of 12.01.101 DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY O0010. Of Want POLKA
...1AU Of MONTWICATI001 WON novas
The folOwing I. the read of State Min Ms • •
Cononiseia Exhibit 1413
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UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE TREASURY DEPARTMENT
me. Yield s.,a 1104 Orleans, La.
siorna
gootinued Lee Harvey devald
14•14110VM NW AT Mao UMW*
Ilev lotaislana Ihnember 1.5. 196)
Usti. of President John Y. Monett
444414M04.441, SesAnthony It. Serrate sad SA Roger D. Counts
STROPSIS
Eaten.ve investigation aondueted thus far has failed
to estoblish that, taa mut PLAT PUS CUBA CataliTfEE"
had offices at 511 Cup Street. Her Ode... 11 ho•
lik.t. been inpo.ible to find area. rho re.11.
ever teeing Lee Harvey Oneld at this add....
ISTAILS OY Tit.SflOtTICSI
gofer.. le to report dated 12.3-63, setalitted by SA A. G. Mal and aoverlag
Um conducted during the period elovonber 22, 1963, through Loco.. 2, 1563.
by SAN A. 0. Tial. Anthony 5. °emits, and Rance IL Comte. as SAX John
Rims
On Pages 114 and 15 of the abaemaention d report, some. v. made en the auleass
Camp Street., /km Orleans, Ia.., which appear. on to. of the literature the
possuseion Lee Harvey Usvald don he vas arrested by mumbere of Me hoe Orleans
Polies honest.. en 0.9.63 is iiihting with al Cubans. ...Ion of the address
.5lat Map Strest• is ale* moue on V. 2 of my reput 124-63. invettisOt
aonduated by SA=C Jobe W. Rise and retell daring the period thresaber 23.27, 1963.
On 12.4.63, reporting scant intervioseed A 11. Rodrigues, 5r., 1205 Al. 0.01
Ave.., a.. • Telephone. 523.3720.
gr. Rodrigues. Sr. is sae. a a.. h.inat::: is 0....... Cubs on S.15-91. .ire
Rod... stated that ha attended the Chenet fatitute (ao lessor existent) at gem
Orle.e. oomplotlas • kink melte. eau.. and epeelelislen leglish„ Title was 0.001
1907. He WA he subsequently attended the 50111.6 /11634 G0110,4. 1:44 0001,414,
gradueting therefrom 10 Soptember, 1909, basin, omelet. • 2.year commerolal course,
Ile said ha rotaremed to Ceba and sub.quesatly llllllllllll himself in tno ntosecale
elsetrisal hasdneas. B. mild he eon... in the olootrical traain••• In dream. until
. Oemapatio• eno
• ▪ of
xtr
3Txth gate Age 'Might
4.. 2.74 p. •
0.0... 2125112 RUDDY
10.10-39 23 136 3.•9
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ComtAimana llllll 1.20. 14 la-21mM intend
• COMMISSION Extintrr No. 1414
Pate 2 CO-2.314030 Desembor 9. 1963
November, 1960, when Castro sonfisoated all at his assets Melodies his hue in
gsmuta, ;is counter ...to ...de et gamine. and •11. of he ether gaMportien, bank
moment. etc.
Mr. pedrigues, Sr. stet. theft 5arg1O Ars.. Itaith, matt.. en Pate 1.5a SA
W... rap.% .12.3.63, vas ferworly the Nes Orlon. deleg•te ten Cuban key..
tionery Council, vith offices eat 5. Cm. Street, goon it, second Cl...-, Dew
L. He mad chat 1r0.00 vas •.fired• arm his **Bitten as vele.* dein.* to
the •C I C. by the orzanieation. main *Moe 1J1 Riad. beet.. ....1.111 OtOmm
is Mrs *elem. were m ain. Are.. and his lllll not b.... n“ eocesestion
with Castro but because of hill eishonesty. According to Kr. gedrigues. kreaChlt wee
misearproorirties organ/tett.. funds. Or, Rodrigues.. albs opinien that
Arc.. nay poesibly be now 1.• Mama bet not at all onto. to Mlle.
pr. Rodrigues, Sr. tttttt that gerl. Quire., renttonod on Paget IL and 20 of SA
Vial's revert. or 1.7 -3.63 kn. Aroma. well ands. to/11,Mo frequently (very el..
ersneeties) at 5hh Carp Street,. Mr. Rodrigues aide...whet happen./ to loiretsM
..notion with Aro.. after the letter vat fired,
gr. Rodrigues etat.4 that ;retches rode frequent vioite to the office of Sonny Caire,
stets located at. 705 Weal/ MU., New Orleans. He said Ronny Cairo vas tio principal.
organiser of ersanisatios Inmen VW:MDR TO Mt.. CUM COVITITA. with bead.
Sorters at Ronny office and not at 5Ith Coop Street. said du. Sassy tAire
Pod prevail. upon Arc.. to 3ein ofreco. • pert of the •CnOSAIIS 1.14
CCCOLLTISM. and that Arose. vas aonneeted with the oCROSALS• eves after he vas £ire4
es Nen Orleans &anat. Cs the •CUSAI 00501.1NINIART COUNC13.., ...et the minim a 0. Cuba.. .
2.0.1h1 to gr. Roma me, We. GLOM gairoga eat natual. sestbor .i.tha the
•CRUSACS CO MUMMA" az the shah.% is.dinflugAM Ohlanti." but partici...4 in sees..
hold ter the pyrpolo44 of gemetion unity uong hot.. the miter. local 6.1-:.astre
arganisations •0110 •• the •CUELUI RANCtatflunagg CUIRAIL• sued the .222.e..14r... 2.21 6'1w 151
DigoCTORATS.•
gr. lisdrin.e, Sr. stated that the KTILSALS TO ;RIZ CUBA CONt21121. sas (00,404 pat.
sadly to raise funds with led. to buy arse and .pplies for use by the `14i1A..
21.221.0flamAia COWC.LL. and that the %MAMA. ono no ea. l revolutionary sotivitiss
a any tied Castro. Ha added that en. "CALGAI2L° deft...1Y
opposed g.tro ma would offer 000peration in the overt.. of Castro.
Fr. Rodrigues. Sr. statue tent. Ronny Cairo and . ommtity or oiroular•
priestod shiola he had eletributod bY h•nda tell... t..4. tea the .CguSAII0 10 Nif.g
DIVA CCPCIZTEs.• Actordiag to he. aodrinues. Sunny Cairo ennead amt contrieut.cia
woo to be *eat either to 5. Camp attest te 1140 10.1 off.. boa At Sergio Arose..
gr. Rodrigues, Sr. said that he had never owl 0.44 in ay lit. and 0.1 Yasv lent
00.1.11 had had A fin. vitb C.A. WU... and tee oth. Cuba. ein Can. Ste.t..ete
Orlesne. tot tele* he .4 bens arrest. e• 6.9.6). wad that be bed 00 idea thy
517
COMMISSION Exuma No. 1414-Continued
reg. 3 CO -2 -7L.030 December 9. 1963
the .5900 PLA1 Ma CUM COMITSIL0 vas using U. addraso of 5144 C.p Street, :..4v
WAVY, form. address a the ntlitAli grrOLUTIONART COMIC=.,• an sett...Ca.. aro.,
gation. whereas the P 0 0• was pro.Cestre. Er. Rodrigues mad he did not kn. a No.. rho had belonged to the •r P 0 0.°
Pe. godritues etsted that resent ne.psper .nisi., had indicated that Useala.• tes,er
lanais*/ at her Ones. had *CAW that unealee vile oft. attended moetteiss It
Orloan•, pet she Gould only tee. Ruts.% tiviog rite to the suspicion, In :1... R.I./-
suet's mind, Ott there must he. been other guest. opooklas persons •monoing men
neetinds. (PubsoTaent to this inters.* .101 gr. Rodrigues, Sr., sporting a.ent cum
tacted 00., Jess. J. Wm., 4911 Magemine St., Mem urioans, osuald.s former 1.A.1../. am denied having made any •tatensots to the etfeet that depold'• MI* had 0.9.ntly
attended meting. at gee Orients, e.t.a..; thin, •• far an she knew, Lievald.• rife
very ealdon left their aportatant and shan she did 1eavo the apartment. 1.t vas mostly to
go to • neighborhood gr000ry te bey breed, milk, and items At 10.1 :ZS said
ohs OA not know of asyoase oho .staid hays looked after Ars. ,Javaldas It year old shIJA
while she read have teen othending limb meeting.. it ins her doff.. bell.( tint
Sr.. Oswald did not attend 0re such seotinge and eartol.). atot nn • fr... b....)
On 12.1.43 Intereicued Hr. Hansel Gil, 912 5.4.01. M., N. Orleans Telephone.
9.4171, mention. on Page 15 of SA Tialas report a 12.3-63. He. 111 anted tent .
did not Snow Urald parentally and bed never sewn Mo. 9. ,,td he had seen photos of
Osuald on television and in mespepars sins. President 00116.14 .• 0344441.410.S.
FS. 011 &Meted that ha hoe been 4 ember of the "CUM liMuLOTIOSART £0,J44.11° Co. soot*
the past Me years, He said that this ormniestion formerly had .1(109. at 5. Cup
St., 2nd floor. for About els month. dart. 1961.62. that Sorsio Atnnoha 5.111 hao wen
the Aar Orleans delegate to the "C C.• He said that LIAO Ravel, Ar.sto amotause,
fir" Ames. 11., Itedrlintee, Jr., Sergio Arend. WU, end hies./ more outhorime to
sign ehooks in belt.: of the og It Ot, as vas Castes J. Grineder, CPA.
Er. 011 stated that Cont. Lament. mablisner of the booklet entitled .'irse grim
Against Caboo 10 • noted... Casnottet or so he h. hoard. Re also stated that the
.PAIR PLAT FOR COM warns• is a vell-knovn Coornnist front and is direct. from
Kano. 011 et... that be is presently employed as Produatien humor hy '74:1
THAMATIOS CtruNCIL 710 MAUS.% explaining that he makes tape nearcinso of
information received fr. rote.. from 04.443.11 countelea, which r..din.• are
broadcast in Latin Merit= eountrion. Indiseatect that tam of these roeunliods are
.lee seed 1. sue Losaision• sane... *Mit IgiuldIMIOn (k)ISCIL Je Thu Attalg.h,
hae offices at 620 Wavier litroot, gen tolopguo., 523.3614„
On 124.63 intereleved Hr. Lula Ravel, 1.651 itarisof 2. WU...
282.4901 (oe. door). Ibis is eetuelly the MUM.. St.. .1 ...lea 1.
game/•• sonolamiev.
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pr.., mil stated that he vas fosuarly connected with the %CAP hUuLTO12.017 c3exrc,. 514 Camp rt., Orleans, and had beemo the km del.,. delegate to this organisation .ten Santo Aroacha Reich.. *fired" free that position. Ravel said he had never seen La. horvey Oswald personally and could furnish no Information about him. or. Ravel vas shin • copy of the booklet entitled ',The Crise amlnet Gan" Out 00016 furnish no information O. to why the saber stamp Inceesalon P C C 544 Camp :4. :00 asi.F1-11. Li.* appeared ao this booklet.
Pr. Ravel stated that the "CURIO{ RiVOLUTIJaAfff CaUggig. had left behind quite a Mu propnganda lea.lets or pamphlets at 511 Camp Street when they moved from that Auer... at whteh Lase the headquarters for this organisation were moved to his hose at 4.651 ;serum St., taw orleans.
Kr. Ravel stated that silly Monteleone, of the lionteleate total, New °nom*, had be.e
Chaldean and Sponsor of the .CR4SATE r0 0606 222. CoICITICk..
rx, lavel stated that Sergio Areacha Salth had a poor reputation for bounty Mao.ar as list:tie) ma t sera were conammed; that :awash& was sespeeted of hawing calm:sled sue of the.Vands of the %URAL RATOUTICUial COURCIL." N. said that Aremdm but ellegadly gam to "t at about a year or so ago after he hod been fired as delegate et
' ley arlems by the "C R C..
Cu 12-20 »porting agent received a telephony call from Kr. Arneato Rodrigues, Sr. Y. pointed out that the .OUJA:i :49/OLUTI6:A4I CoLCIL" had moved from 544 Camp Street, New Orleans, better than li years ago, harrow it appeared that the activities of the `ESA PLAT ith Celt caLirrma• hors apparently occurred during Juiy and Aucuat. 107,
On 12 .2 -6) nporting Agent also received a telephone call Rem Or. Luis a...1. Re stated that he had looked no sone records and determined that he took over as delegate for the 'CUE: ARVOLUbIonihe CG=:.," Lew Orlon., is hebroary, 1962, and a short time thereafter moved this organisation.e office from 544 Cup Street to his hone. No said that the "CRUSALZ TO FRES COSA CS:31=E* wee organised shortly thmenter and lasted only about a lama or se. Nr. Ravel stated that the *CUBAN RMOLUITAARI CODYCIL. is ▪ is existent*, the present allocate being Nr. FRAU NANTES 1608 Ramo faith Ave., Retorts. Le. Telephone. 635-3462; who maintains the organla:tim's attics at his hen.. Er. Ravel also stated that Carlos Ranvier had also been • amber of the 'Ch UM REVOLUCIMIAlr COUNCIL* bet Le now a delegate for the *STUDIRTS. iligraLUTLUANX LIRECTOJATIe at how Orleans.
luring interviews with Luis Ravel be informed me that be had left Ur Grimm. ;moat • Year or on ago and gone to Vemmusla to take part in the anti-Castro movement. in that emontx71 that he overtaxed his Strength by marking two hard is each aativitiss and .uttered what could be classed as a servo.. break-down. Re is amid to be PeemetlY ender the cam of • psychiatrist and to have diverted Wawa: fru Amy ant1.•Caatto &attrition whatsoever bemuse of his health.
On 12.2-6) eallod et the offiee of the Rotel, Rotel, mad Restaurant imaloyees. Mien, Local f166, located at 564 Camp St., Neu Orleans Where I inervimed dr. Robert Davis Duro, Segretarydrualrer. and Ilse. belehil.Certhr. Ottis. Satattery. with negative remits. Thar stated that they had never beak lee Wm. Oswald makers niMilieg of the
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Pate 5 CO-2-31..030 Decuber T. 1963
...Dm Mg CIJDA 0222:22221. ever being at this addrees.
On 19.20 called at the off to. of Amalgameted Association of Street Llectrie hallway Motor Guth eaploynes of America, Arr.. CIO, Division 1174, with offices on the second
flow et 544 Cop St., Rev Orleans. interviewing Mr. George/40er, President. fr. Coy stated that he hos been la Now Orlon. far about three year.; tint he does not reaall ever sense Lee ,tarry Oswald in tJa Cowman Milani located at 514 Gimp Street er where is Raw Orleans; further, the. he had never heard of the 'PAIR PLAT v01 COBS CMC4ITIF8..
At epproxlnately 2,00 P. N. an 12-2-63 reporting agent telashmed ROM/ Came, After. tieing limey proprietor, with offices at hie hose located et 616 Duman. It., raw Orleans. Lr. Coin stated that Patio Ar.eoho Smith had at ono tires been a del ttttt to the *CtiOg DRVOLUTILNIRY COUCIL. at Kew Orleans. No said that funds cellected.by the 422232r11 TO 7696 MOS COMIIITZ. wore deposited in the thitney National Bak, ge.
Orleans, that the drive to raise funds was not tee succeesful and the crusade creamily *folded up.. Re said h. knew nothing of Lee Narver Quaid over bowing ehI bumnActinne with the address at 511 Camp Street, Kew Orleans,
Ce. 12-2-6) reporting elect interviewed Cr. William A. Aanteleon., President, fenteleene Rotel, Lew Orleans. Re stated Meth* had been persuaded by a aomber of his Leland, to Join the .=03iD6 TO AYE CUBA =Arm:* and that be wan Maui se General Chateaus of the °reanimation. hr. Monteleone stated that U. .CLIZAOR TO Mb Gnat COCIIIThEe Imo arianiscd to raise fends in support of the %JUAN RCVOLATIoCARI COddCIL"; thet it was seen realised that all of the funds raised by the .CRWagth T. thee CUBA Cattlr:hge wen beirg used to defray expenses ineurred by the "CUBAN REVOLUTIONACT COUNCIL. sum as newemper, television and radio publicity, etc.. et.. N. et.," that the %NSA= TO YR= COSA CitilfriTal. soon faded and the eramisatien *fabled up.. Mr. Honteleone meld furnish no inforaation re Lee hamar Quad.
On the afternoon of 12-20 sontacted hr. San Newman, 13)7 Nithre St., Sow Imams, owner of the Amman Dothan; located at 544 Cup St., uw Mimeos, and Mad him cane to the office for interview. During the interview Mr, :Woman mated that the vCaUff 11RVWULT_IfilAR! CCOCIIIL" had occupied effiee space in Rem. f6 of the Aumn Buildiat from
wPtmud,, 1961, tiwnenCh Febrmary. 1962, that the office ammied by then rented for $50.00 per ;tenth; that the 'C R Ca failed to per their rut monthly and wood him cheat $250.00 in back rent .ben they moved. Ne stated that m 4.3.63 dr. Caries J.'Orimeder, Certified Pali, Cocoanut, Audubon Bldg. Bew Orleake Me noted a. Accountant for the *CORM REVOLUITOURY c0000m• an a voluntary ban:. drat his • ,heck for 4100.00 is pert payment of the rent wed by the .0 II Co and that he reeeived ne further mune Rem them Mr. Norm elated that Sergio Amman Smith and Carle. Oalrege were cu. nested with the "C R
Mr. Mum stated thet the *CUBAN REVOLUTIONARY COUNCIL. loft • lot of 1 ttttttttt is their office When they moved :mu the Newman Building; that whet they galled to return for it he had it amend of by to it over to the Salvatien Any or 0400 such organisation. Mr. Newmam am shams • phetesmaph at km limp °mad but stated that 1. Mold net Null ever mats{ Oswald mgraware.
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Fr. gamma stated that when the PC0011 WTOLUTITIATI maned the levee BaildidC they felled to surrender the keys to their office, adding that they had had
mayoral mete of keys to the office. hr sold that Meat tan due or two weeks aitor the
Cubwa had coved, he had amnion to 'lett the Meuse Wilding ens day and on that
*cassioe ho sw a young white nen unlocking the deer to the offt. for,r11 =meted WI
the %USA% 6,S1LUTIONAY C)CNCIL.w im .old he asked this fellow what he was doing and he remarked that he wee taking over the office, %hereupon Ara tem.ns told his that the office had been closed and that the %Jan ht901arlon221 COUNCIL* no lancer nod Maim
mace in the ammen Wilding and that he weald hews to leave, de end there were no indication. that the fellow had seam toe sat. pmswiauelY. Pr, wevmea eamorined thin individual est Shit.; male; 22/241 5-91; 165 lbs,1 oar eempleslea; light brown er
blond hair; mote w.th a vanish aecent.
r. Kemp stated that uhen len ttttt Sergio Arcuate faith claimed to be selling life inaeranee. The hes. StACCOARCACOA to listed in the 1962 sew weleans city tea with address et L52) Guinn, St. NM wile's eau is shun es *Maris, L.* and his
occupation Is shown es *Clerk." The above address to lotated in a hauled development
knot. as .rarkchetter Apartments..
Yre iextaa etated daring this interview that one Jack S. martin, who lives at the come
or S.:planate Ave. and N. rriaur It., had broitht Sergi* Aroacha and Carlos :clique to him and ream:vended them to him as prospective moats. N. said that Mena had sloe brought them to wayor Victor rehire, Sew 9rleans, ...Shod helped tic's to get a charter
or pernit to eperate gn New Orleans, Pe said that on one 044aslOn Ouirega appeared to
have a Mort wove radio trans. Mita he was tying Minns.
y.r, femm stated that he has not rented any efficae to hew ten.at. to ths Gawadh
Building, 544 Cesp Street, sloes about September, 1962. ale could furnish no leforration es to why the rubber stamp taprenim P C C 544 0.9 ST. UN MOANS, LA.. appeared
in the booklet .The grime afainat Cob.. ellen had bees reeevered from Oswald then be
was arrested at au Wigan. on 24.63,
Mr. Sumo muted thet somas shamed him &bait three mmths edo end wanted to rent 'offices for niiht reetince and wanted to woke an appointment to meet hi.. se said nothing transpinted es • result of this teleplum wall. he also stated that cheat
four or five swaths ace another fellow (unite; male, sheet 37/361 5-111 medium build;
lltht olive complesion; dark eyes; dark brown heir) um. to am him chant reating en
office Mich he wanted to me for night *Maws is Swami.. he said this elite. rented
for 00.00 per month auk tha subieet paid his 410.00 rental and we back the same teek-end to ate him. be said this fellow later told his M had mat recruited sufficient
stMenta and that he no longer vaulted the space. Pe told M. Somme to keep the •33,00
which he had paid his as rental.
Oaring the late diorama of 124.63 reporting agent leherelaued o...v Cairo, 616
neaue St., taw ;nuns, when he rennet and when he also operates an 'laver% .1.1 ague/. Ir. Calm elated that he monad to mull duald applying for • Jae with hie agency while he had off lees at 706.5 WAIL illdg., earner Cup and Camel Sta.. uu Oriente, A. said this us several menthe ace and about the time devoid had • redle debit.
ewer Radio :Anita MEM, oat orl.n.. la Mann, 196). Re end this woe the only Lisa
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be had rem Oswald ead ter that reason he could net be peeitive in identifying Quad.* phategraph that he ime the man he bad in Una, Nr. Caire scold furnish ne latoraMtlen
re Oswald eeing OA Camp Street 00 ea eddrees.
Daring the intended with Mr. Row Cain, he stated that Sergio Cunha say be wanted an a Dyer Act eharge; that Omaha allegedly drove • ear from new Orleans to mum.
On 12-5.63 reporting agent inturiased Mr. Robert 6. Dowell., Director of FinAIWA,
City of !Um Orleans, also Sr. Joseph Orlesh, Secretary to the Director of Finance, to &davit,. Mother the 09114 NAY Inn CUBA cuNmrr222. had applied for a permit froe the
City of Nov Orleans to aunts is hew Orleans. It was found that this erganiution was
not of record with the ()treater of Finance.
On 12-6-63 SAID Rice inquired of YU Special Agent Paul Alter, hew Orleans, as to the
melts of any luestilettee Mieh thy Ur have oanducted is an atteact to connect 144 :ferny Oswald and the erne PLAY P05 COOL COMMITTEC" with the Mares. 511 Cane Street, Noe Orleane. SA faker advised that they had theaked this mule out thoroughly
but with negative rasulte.
texas's:S:9M 17000
The overall investigation with reference to i.e 'arty Oswald is being continued at Dew Orleans and in the ..a• ray inferution is developed which would plam hie at
544 Cup M., how Orleane. it will he the wagon of &mow report.
Anni
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in the basesent. Two of the employees were malformed officers and twe were in civilian clothing. Several porsoss were standing at the desk obtaining the relay of !mantes of the jail. ALEXAEDER asked the police lieutenant in charge of the desk about OSWALD and was told OSWALD would not be moved until 10 a.m. There was so other representative of news media in the basement yet.
=IA/CD= stated he walked in various parts of the basement from 7:30 ea:. until the shooting of OSWALD which occurred about 11:30 A... Re was carrying a camera but wore no identificatioa of any kind At no time was he eared for identification by any police officer and he doubts that any other nowemen were asked for identificathn. Re noticed several representatives of news media had press cards on their coat lapels but molt did not have any identi-fication showing. ge knows of no person other than police and representatives of news media who were in the area, except for DACE RUDY and he was not aaaaa RUBY was there until after the shooting of OSWALD. ALEXANDER is of the opinion the police did not ask for identification from persons entering the basement of City Hall and just assumed everyone than was a representative of new. media.
During the time between 7:30 a.m. and 11:30 a.m., smtrrepresentatives of news media ed the basement. About 9:30 a.m., a crow of camormon from MILD - Tv, Dallas. and NBAP - TV. Tort Worth, Texas, manned two live cameras which cameras had been left in the hall way of the basement overnight. The two crews were told by officers to move the cameras and moved eastward d to the area Of the basement at the entrance of the police garage. There were some IS to 20 uniformed officers in the area along with about 17 reserve policemen. About half of the reserve policemen were seat Dotal:lathe building. About 10 a.m., ALEXANDER went outside and Observed the police enter and apparently marsh a red brick building across
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the street math from the south ramp nee into the basement. la observed one officer on the roof of this building. ALEXANDER re-. rrrrr d.the.basemoot without beilLasked for identIPTEVEraii. About 9 a.m., ALEXANDER albreid several officers searching the area of the basement. The officers were looking in the trunks of cars located in the police garage as well as looking in air conditioning grills in the all ways. ALEXANDER askedane of the officers the reason for the search and was told the police had received a threat on 03WALD's life. During all of this time no part of the basement vas closed off and business appeared to be going on as usual at the Bail Out Desk ALEXANDER did observe some police officers to move several city eoployees out of the area of this police garage and to seal off the two elevators in that eide of the building.
ALEXANDER observed the following representatives of news media who were known to his in the anent pr.or to the shooting:
JACK BURS, Photographer, Dallas No aaaaa News, Dallas, Texas.
ORM BARNES, NBC cameraman, Burbank, California, who was working in conjunction with ALEXANDER, but who did not arrive at the basement of City Ball until about 9:30 a.m.
JAMES R. DAVIDSON, AIR Studios, 2310 Tangly, Houston, Tema., who was working for ABC.
TON palm NBC, Burbank, California. Camera crew of WRAP - TV, Port Worth, Texas.
Camera crew of 14441 - TV, Dallas, Texas.
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UNE BARNES. Cwrwa for National Broadcasting company, Ine. (NBC) Neal Staff. Hollywood. California. tele - PP0,4 445-1000, residing at 12942 Bloomfield Street, Van Nuys, California, telephone CRestview 4-3062, furnished the following information:
He left Les Angeles, California, at 12:20 p.m., November 22. 1963. by American Airlines for Dallas, Texas, end was present on official duties at the Dallas City Hall on November 24, 1963, when LEE HARVEY OSWALD was shot. His plan was to photograph OSWALD as he was brought Into the basement by law officers and then to exit the basement, while other NEC cameras picked up camera continuity, and prepare to follow the armored truck. parked in one of the two basement ramps, as it transported OSWALD to the County Jail. He phot;grLphed OSWALD as the latter was brought by officers out o basement elevator doors in the City Hall and was walking some fifteen feet towards a corridor. At that time BARNES exited through a tunnel being used for television sables and other ' equipment. As he was leaving the building, he heard a shot but continued on to his rented oar parked nearby in order to be ready to follow the armored trunk. Dallas Police Department Officer SPEARS was standing by the rented oar and was to serve as driver. He had obtained three days off from duty and had been employed by BARNES to ant as driver fcr BARNES for the first two of those days.
BARNES saw Sergeant PUTNAM. Dallas Polio. Department, run up to a Police Department Lieutenant stationed at the armored truck and heard him say, "I got me a nigger." Upon seeing a microphone close by he said, "I'm sorry. I have me • Negro." He then explained to the Lieutenant that the Nefrbtad climbing over the tops of cars in the City
OSWALD was brought out very shortly thereafter and taken in en ambulance to a nearby hospital at a speed approxi-mating ninety miles per hour, with BARNES and SPEARS following oloaely in the rented oar, which had no radio.
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BARNES was the first newsmen to arrive at the hospital from the City Hall, although other newsmen were there as they had been stationed previously at ten, hospital. As HARMS started setting up his equipment, Officer SPEARS came up to him and whispered,
his you want the name of the 84MI who shot OSWALD? BARNES answered. "Sure." SPEARS said, "You'll have to grease his palm." Because of SPEARS, accent, BARNES asked him to repeat what he had said and SPEARS did so. BARNES asked, "What does he want - 35.00?" SPEARS answered. ."You're the newsman - _you ought to know." BARNES asked. "How good is your source?" SPEARS answered, "He's
only the guy who was handcuffed tb him." BARNET understood this to refer to an officer who was handcuffed to OSWALD. BARNES answered, "I'll have to check my office" and Just as he was receiving information on the telephone from his "orrice.' his NEC colleagues in WRAP-TV in Port worth, Texas, that JACK RUBY had shot OSWALD, SPEARS, who had stood guard for him at the telephone booth, stuck his head in the booth and said, "It's JACK RUBY." BARNES noted that the "Dallas Times-Herald" of November 25, 1963, carried a large front-page photograph of officers escorting OSWALD down a corridor In the City Hall basement and that a detective in a light suit, believed to be JACK LAM, appeared to be the only officer handcuffed to OSWALD. BARNES is at a loss to understand how Officer SPEARS knew so quickly Who had shot OSWALD or what officer was hand. Cuffed to OSWALD or why he believed that officer would give Out any information. BARNES noted that when he telephoned his colleagues as to paying for information al to who shot OSWALD, he was advised that they had learned less than three minutes before from their technialans on the mobile remote truck that it was JACK RUBY; that the techn' 'lane had recognized RUBY immediately when his picture was eleeast at the very moment OSWALD was shot, and before RUBY'. name had bean announced over the air.
BARNES has no personal knowledge of any person conspiring to kill OSWALD or the existence of any such conspiracy. He did not know OSWALD or RUBY or know of. ny condection between them. He did not talk to RUBY at any t .
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IZADOkg BLEO=AN, Apartmsam 161, F.X..E.,2 :cmth Kommere, Chieage, intarViCW2d at his Pa.:neap,. said ha haa been cm.:loyed=, gattal le-ais 7.7.taxaational
• for a 'little over a moans. tha% ha tee ea Dallas 7riday, Kovasabcr 22, leL3, after naax, oj President lia4=a7va death was received.
On Sunday, November 24, 1.!,13, stated that he went to Dallas, Tepee Police DepLrtmcat Sac 8:g0 a.m. :lie rai..son, he added, for being at the Police Depaetpont, vas bcpaia: of the depart:pc:1W:: announcement to the Drees that L.99. E'.1721 would be moved Prom the Pollee Kepartmant to the Camaty :ail at 10:00 a.m. November 24, 1153. oaid he oatered the gelleo Department th,rough the main entrance doers and toek an elevntor to the third floor of the building whore heretofore the pr-aa, photographers, etc., had preview:1y beea.tocomedeted. he ha emerged frog the elevator DLEC22..:AZ1 caid.ho was eared by a %uniformed armed policeman to identify hipaelf which in did by exhibiting his preaa credentiale befaxe he was pansitmag to enter the third floor. lk said in =rained a little ,.Sits on the third floor before ttkirpg the elesatcr to the hoahing room in the bapament wheixo ha remained vxtil 10 or 15 p.immtua prior to OSWALD.° being brought out of the olvnter 1/ .
About 10 to 15 nirutoo prior to OSEALD.5 appearance, in said he and other photographera and newamen mara aAl zakad to vacate tin booking room thick they did. BL2cz:::::: aaid ha than took up a position in front of a wirdow in the booking room no ho could photograph OSWALD as OSHALD emerged from thu elevator. Ad OSWALD emerged he said he got hie phatographa cad then raced to the far side of the racy no he could co-tins:, to photograph OSWALD an he emerged from tha boohing room and presumably would be led the:1:MM to the waiting armored car which would be used to transport him to the ocutty LLECHS741 stated that he Was in this pocition as CSUALD was led out of the booking room and that ha had him camera gang from that time on.
An individual later identified in JACK AAVg cut thraFgh .-photographera, TV cameramen, eta., a short distanae to ===...A.T's
right and proceeded to shOt OSSAI,D. ZLEgggit) paid he centinmod 'to trjae action photos throu5hout. This film which gLE0glga.7 stated
• recorded all activity frechthe time 0SgALD emerged from the
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BARNES heard rumors but cannot pinpoint any source that the man who let RUBY into the Dallas City Rail basement just before OSWALD was shot was in a Dallas Polio. Department Reserve uniform. BARNES recalled seeing this man on guard duty at elevators in Dallas City Hall basement at some time on the day OSWALD was shot and described him as being in his 60's, having whit, hair and a slender build. BARNES believes It possible he might have heard this through CLEM 000DSON or GODSON, en off-duty Dallas Police Department officer who drove for BARNES on November 26, 27 and 28. 1963.
BARNES said BOB MULHOLLAND. NCB News, Chicago. talked in Dallas to one FAIRY, a narcutios addict now out on bail on a sodomy charge in Dallas. FAIRY said that OSWALD had been under hypnosis from a can doing a mind-reading act at RUBY's "Carousel." FAIRY was said to be a private detective' and the owner of an airplane who took young boys on flights "Just for kicks." MULHOLLAND may be located at Room 1537. Statler Hotel, Dallas, WRAP-TV, Fort Worth. Tens. or tla.mgOsala Chicago headquarters.
Officer HAPMIL or 100111L, Dallas Police Department. of the office of the Chief of. Police, Dallas, said he knew many Dallas Police Department officers who frequented RUBD.s "Carousel" on a "free-loading" basis.
BARNES was told by one BOGARD, salesman for Downtown Lincoln-Mercury dealer, Dallas, that about two weeks prior to the CMiALD shooting, he gave OSWALD a demonstration ride in Comet automobile, which rids covered about seventeen miles instead of the usual twelve or fourteen blocks. BOGARD said , OSWALD drove, accelerating on expressways, decelerating in city traffic, and indicating he knew where he wanted to drive. OSWALD refused to sign any papers, saying he wanted to pay cash for the car, the price of which was B3.500.00. and that he would be back in about ten days to pay cash. Be gave DOOARD the name Of LIZ OSWALD and BOGARD gave hip a business oard.
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elevator into the bee=s; room and that zuom to where he was shot is.preoently in :he hands of his employer, CPI, in New York.City or vaching,m, D. C.
BL ELAN stated that between 9;00 and 10:00 a.m., the same morning he proceeded from the booking room to the ramp and left the pollee department premises and sae permitted to do so only after Ilensityipm himself. His reason for leaving he told the arxicer at the Matp.C.r”.....t entrance of the ramp that he had to leave to get equipment. On his return he was permitted to re-enter the_polioe department premises by the same route witdisp_MIM:ratteLhilikart but that he presumed the armed officer on uty recognised bibttving left the rang shortly before. BLECHMAN said he slit' 68 one in the Police Department or in the ramp who was not believed by bin to be a member of the department or theworking press. He said he had no knowledge of anyone permitted to gain entry to the police department on Sunday, November 24, 1963, without properly identifying himself, and neither did he have any knowledge or indication that any police officer or official conspired or permitted the unauthorized presence of anyone in the basement.
HUMAN said that to his knowledge he had never seen ROBY prior to RUBY's actual shooting of OSWALD although on Friday evening November 22, 1963, when OSWALD was brought to the lineup room of the Pollee Department, according to various persons (identities unknown) ROBY was alleged to havebeen present and allegedly asked a questiot of OSWALD. The exhibition of OSWALD In the lineup room was apparently for the convenience of the press and photographers than for any police function according to BLECHMAN.
BLECHMAN states ^rat at Parkland Memorial Hospital later on Sunday, November 24, 15o3, an individual described as in his early thirties, 5,8" tall, 180-200 pounds, sturdy build, blond hair who was either a director of a TV station in Dallas or in charge Of a TV crew from a Dallas TV station told him in the presence of HENRY A. KOKOJAN, 9009 Freeport Drive, Dallas, telephone DAvis 8-1043, that an uver window of a building on either Main or Commerce Streets ev looking the police department
,-. ramp was open Friday after the President's amsaasinatiem, all Saturday and Sunday but that shortly after OSWALD's murder
the window was shut. BLECHMAN stated that he could recall being
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told nothing additlOnal by this individual, but that the above sensed speculation among themselves as to whether RUBY had an accomplice or whether Other* besides RUBY were interested in doing away with OSWALD.
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1,10 co 1143-63 pallad the airot 31.4:3ot, Y3.13, and attanated to cor.tazt.
3t20., Ctr.. :"ayrarn, or nu. no they ran arrested Leo Oarvey
cavtld in 3-943. 3oao 03 than WA: ava:LaJle for :onto:slew.
:oak Ocean, iires 0.03? .0', ;Sec...Can 'Z.,. Gave, hat :man intalYiaand 0.7
Lt. ..arttIlo, Ito waa I.sarly a:a:4;nd to "..ho Zatalli-.ence ;nit, :3133, but o was
toll ins //rat Lictritt. lint Lt. ..ar.ella add :,nno o.d Vaty
at 11110 2. 11-224), and could probthly on contacted at Itla narn, tolaphrn
mann. 1:3 1-9397.
thane call was nada to Lt....to:10a :Iron out he was not avail able. 2:30 O. Call tan 0340 to 10. Oarsollo's horn and ii, turn/shod the fallowing
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I: lad intarviviad Oswald cithar on a Saturday or Sums./ nornins with re,:sreeso to
0.--10. arrest on Osoold had airs data or Ear, as 13-13-3bl said
no gat: servid three year, in too U. S. ....trio,: 3nis and cll.:nod ho rece.vad as ha:oratols
diochorib co 99-17-59 at tnn Air ;aro, :naa, Graald
had an.od .arriad to the "orocr 34" later ^aid Fin •"'"0.2 nato
vas that she was on :irSer....a. he said nos and 'nis rife has one
orieons, far b:ann., or nontha. Cato: caniru; to Sow Urloa., bawald el,17n, Lona ■1.0 Ga, aan• 17 7. of az-G. and they had ..[C31 lintel at 007 '..aLosine
elolozd ha had lived at 0.709 .9nuados St., 30. ',rub, Vor-aa•
Omuld claimed hi* nother.a none waa ::arstrat 0.two.ld, adoresa nos kaccat, and tent
,7efnIaLhar inn lohert Lao Uswold, daaeaasd. ho said he had 7,6 brothara An.,11, oho lived in ot, lIorti, Ynitas, and ,Idar. 03,1d, lino 11ved in .101.101ton,
Cro•eld Cie 7..4d ha hod attended the faaure:ord ..an 1rIcans; 7.7arrea Lastoa
• /a Seinol, Iew Winans' and a i.rco4 ar school., Lico,iala,:est, /t. t:orth.
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110 Lxial Sonority Ito. a,b.•••:: and hin Selective Serving, be. as
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Cbwold elaioad ho bad bcooso :cis elr.a :ca• Luna saItaiasticai in Los
On3elea, Saliforaia, harm 191.0. while ac was in the 1. 3. harino 1ar7z. In ad-
in:in:, boala had caantoo ti-nro were about 35 u9i.hars ad too . air :lay for Gab. in Low twialas at the t.iaa, bat deal:nod to fornish am; nut..
Lt.'..nr•,.:11.6 anid that at the tine of Oswald.o arroot, Co ion varinas 3aaphloto in
•7 . hia. pas:v.:nice, and tlease 304 been kopt 3., Lt. int-Collo. •Je sato hs g,1.4 turn then
-, ova: to :fain nerice if we so dsoired. 40 alto atatcd that tciore bolo: trnes:trJed.
to ton :Int listrInt, ho had been azsii,ned to tka Intellibanco 'Livia:. ::e.CD, ,for
' •about taco ye:au and thot. &mina this tiro he became fact/liar Ain variatz; Co...uniat
. front or„aolastior.s. .
19, :laid that ,lo ad7s in the 7.1C0Zonk of 91n, St., 'tow 1rlerso, accood to 'or the
canLar re: nativity ' ikr.■ Orloans :or worts. ..,,rointata.0 3.7.3".....,..an.i..........i.fala,
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'..c ra.id that a .7r: ,toinaran, a proiesaor at Volans .aiveraity, lived at toe ?L.+, It.
addresa rizro s15rd0010.03111bs wore hold. gs said ho bad loarnad t'rcm ona oZ hit
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rata th, 'to an. On aeveral 000aLl0n0 at the bona of Sr. tae han of a ot.,.,obor '.taizaran, nano uanown, alto is alas,
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tr. thn u.f.rarnat pra:arnor, ',era 413. aa3.0 to an stain, is Cul intssratInn acoe.-nab in 100 brlaarns
aalt to have al:Toned to tho United Stataz fru ?Oland. In 1956 '•., Z1CZ had held hearinsa 8040" 1T1o,-or and d,,trIn3 those haerinza a parson
Looer2.111 as a top nano0 o: the Sal- ' 2a:4 in too brook, alon; with .:",loa.aartea latla etalt dahool, ht. 12lln•
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baid b.. bar at,:ad v.cre fsr marnars of the /air Clay fa* Laba or:,antration nor, hold zaa J.arald 0. r plcooa in Ewa Orlaans.,
! sai. a.hed lay or tha acoa halo on :Ina St. and Oswald had . to 340 aLiirrative. in cold to haa ashar: hin 1: ho was al:tainted with Sr.
o: -.7._ .:c atia hr had also asked kin it ho know Sr. and voaenr: tca ...at,on and novae uta nattier
.1; nab; althaw:h bro:ald refusad to furnish the antes o: any of tho 35 anaaors of tie as 114 for Sfoa .;rte; In haw Orlesoe, Oswald had adnittad that this uroup oat about
0430 sae, nooth.
t)..e." ."artello talc -.hare naa a :rat, in Low Z.:learn oT.:‘ onsod ander the, nano of Cho • i ,„ , .9:9.-•-- .I'vo•-75...;:-/--. ',, '_.,4'V....wt.a....:.7e...4.‘ern ton. doiaryit• Inc ,Fillatod wick
1 1f..i-7.; :f •E..::.L .:..,...r.i,-.7:7,fr.::.. '̀ItatZ0-3.7...Fore'7C1,;..4.:"...■.i..14 • 3,,30,31,4 ,..., :44, ,..ricana ta 1;55, .7=e C. '7altacr .7:meta:ad Nob:0ak-1..
Z... .7,..-' ••'70 rozo..lid th, when Onwold -,o roreaand ow n304-.1e, Ont-uld•a aunt, noao and haanh: oot. o...c.,1.3:1, 14'..e2 .21,r:ob.:Id to bn ......,,.....v..!u_ 21m_i,,I., 757 Ansnah St., . et, ‘rin,ne, 'ood call,: at thr. ..15-.3 ..2..a.rict l'ailao ."..a.ton to ii-ptira no to ton
ra,con for ',La ,,,,.., acri aZtac ,Oi, int'or,"d toot, ho haa boon dintriba.ini: litorataro whltab "..14 I.:a-Cc:L:0, „to ro:-.aci. tr, •:ziat araold la any way. ...
h„,3 433.:a Lt. ...,,3101:, 41.33 33,.11.3: ion, vangled II Atlantan tirl after 110 1105 V.;EC.O.0 .0 ..1311.1. Zu S. ra,talt 4.: 1.,A1 inionation furnished ny tho snot, In. . ..ortallo sat:. ea 000 re-...Irv..ad Swale chile no waa atill In .411 nod 00031034 the folios:1o., irocr,...leaz
no lac.: ran xi anal to ..orbod at the Silliwz 3..10117 Co::;,, Co., 1.3 A.oe'cad on 3ca," oaohLt,..rj. oeic ts :Loa r ono said t: 73 atar.ca work as the oc...roy ist
.4, 1963, tnr7:ed 2..•_;," 17, 1993. clairad that. prior to Lint hod c.r.od st. the Laaitor. Sa., .o.nort, roe Of.e ano
sald wowald had talc, hl'. a ■-na, "CC. Zalla onrrott, lou ralatea co a local Lea brloarn politleion, the ta,,n of tat.- persna not rocallod.
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UNITED STATES Si:CRre SIRVICZ• Il2PAKINUIPIT
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0,fla Cr.lecos, in. 00-24h,030 MS OM CATO*
33saasInati0n of Proaidont John Y. Nonnotiy
Iwo Barmy Oswald
• the ira.00s
ConZirnod. e.,trnaza,..toaas
• Lt. ;over:bar 22, 443.... Sooznbor 2, 1933
a.,..c.latanoaa Carr,ta; ZaZcr
• .`.s .0.3 ta 00.0 3., dotarr.inod at tha prezent tine, Too Xarray Clbrald arrived 80an Urloans z7r000 Tarns on 1,123/33. :Aria:, the coursa of tho invarniantion, Various relatives e: ti::) sobjeot, were intorvirwod a.
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a-ore a
T.12: ecn.laCrer}a C. 2,1.233.e1,e Co., Ina tad uzol.s'eaa of this ca.d.say.
ha:'. a? achoodrata of the aubjcat area intorrionod in ion to a number of pea-go oho on. into contact vita :IV,.
C'..cero ',aro ro:, 1.1th tho Lev :Stara Caroorobal fronOrdo '
:o7 urn: an; o•-":•Ff.er .nrsoo. 0.: rzaaos. ,, onoa.c taw az& at tho Leo
Larvice in tha Ian-nay CaKald, • 3. 716:11, :Loh or :las31315 ono :air May for Cuba. 1017 Oswald o“ 0.: record 49:•:..907 .•esasir.o 64., City.
.1 encok tan a7no nada at tho Orloar.a abttur 600311030 3areau in Lao various nat. Kith nazative recalts.
310 4,, .rleans atrico, La. ht.ate Urnaployaent, .150003, Coralahad rean1.•d1 to thia oirioa throuxt. CM local. /05 • with rarcranoo to a slain riled by Gould 0,,5lart Ns, Xtato of
tthar ascot* C thin o:7:1se aro in the process of prrearir.L reporas no to 1:want:LA:ion an ooitdooted by the..
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":"-: La...artclio said newald ape,. :brat as oada too rasa::: that
74 . . In did not beliava Ls Coca catarr.riat, 3. OOLC1'.0 if One aalivast is In-.- and said ha 024 not :a :ur .hat. no arid ha ashon• ala
t'oatle cid beliova and oavold replied tr.ai. Ortsainv •.:11 :cat lila inn pnlltialtar. in -aorta,. In Dale Oswald told his that ha had noon vary 0.0 ir.arazasa with tr.a
anandaz o: Govan.. but that the poopla L-. posor Vaasa wore nothiny, but
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ft . Lt. :.:rtello vet 'id:WS:hit ;jinn tOol. pu•oisted, cuanorn Cr= 040 of:ica 3.i3 at whiah tivO tha litaratsra waini had beta noiand 400, ntniald
as did'icd
SCOrtly a:tar tha 0033 oonversatiza with It. .3300110, EL, hatnav C. Oarrata, 115
' .arlearn, alea a 1.3 :Yawn call to 13. haws% ..seuart., Lalles. 61 .h.v kr..ILL-ips, ton was
than 33, the 12.7ito, listenad to the pnona conversation. Infor-a.ion develosed
Oct an was faralahod dtta hcauara and Chillipa.
10 tin Loral,: of 301ur0i3, 13-23433, n. tot 3. 640 ...:zeir.a it. V.: dvinign, aid .laintly 334111.. f. trhan,
o . Crasideat in chor;.; of fiaoaac, and :r. 231,.. 110.0 /rana3100a on
eharzt 07 o".oratIons. ildithar Lortuy ,any turni.:'oca the
onploynant file with reforanao to Oswald which containad cha folloolas listed items:
' Setail. Credit Casl,?37 Character - Yinancial 1107000 41911a0tiOn COO Ilaploy,ot
Dothr phbortatea and .31.71 wore obtred for our use.
' Val 30taIt COolOany - finala:31 enter Itass 27, reflects as
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; • ',3 in oroloyint no olatac,ca ror the 111,3L...d Inn: Octal Ia :n,.10 in Oaaao..L..., Car tha pant one tank, aol
.nvnrible Inclao•a rend:a:A.1. freriund to Onto, no ,00 In ana 0. Z.
. non, three yar.ra, on.ayn a :c.v.:cola buii:wat ro.ntition, add hia p,ou.tects for iner futnra a,,tr to ha favor.uno. (fhd eta:1400d Caifeo Ceowtv to a branch the 73.1ilot J. :ACC". CO,, Ina.)
• pratoat and p.n. :ibanzi..1 a.anaa.t. is .00d, 000 3.0 is re:ar4,1
no an intivid.1 who liras o.thio La..rnad of no '111inaso nr paysical
L-:.sairnonta .-orat 016. arfoot his aaroir.„ ca/aa.ty. •
410 hzoian, and '..orala aro ;non, ant
in to Lao, to loop ,oac: iinaotatos, and 1,11 Co,,a,...14. reaaciaa with 110 tifo and nlntbn, 'any lira in a nitilc 01000 rsaincntial section vith Lrz-b hO-.na :I:06 ors well bait, ana tvir., condition0 are adornato. StantlitY and elasa of roainonsto in toga nanttaas in
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Page 17 03-2.34,030 November 30, 1963
According to the records of the New Orleans Public Service, Inc., R. J. 8.30.1, Sr. had moved from 331 Catania St., city, to 1935 Upperline St. on 9-23-41, end he is still receiving gas OM electric service at the latter cadres..
The records show that John or Patricia J. theme live at 4909 pummel St.and here been residing at this address rime 3-22-62. the writer recalled interviewing a John and Patricia Image, payees of a check, file 3.13-5333 acme years ago.
A photo.tot of Install Order No. 13237, dated 3-22-62, ma obtained. It shove that the thease's ben. phone number. 895-7474 and 12 9-0334, the latter number being the phone number of R. J. thydel, Sr., 1935 Utherline St., City.
Upon returning to the office, R. J. Haydel, Jr., after having been interviewed by SA C.rret4 thm, SAIC Sir. oe. Prinerim Muth the office. He was interviewed by the writer and mated phone timber 695-7874 had been enraged to 891-5365. Further, that he we more or lees living in a maron-law relationship with Patricia Locate, co-payee, file 3-13-5333. Further, that as he is an electrician end is seldom hone, Patricia Incase take. his phone ellia for him. He indicated he expects to marry her at • future date.
On 11-26-63 tailed at Ed Smith Stencil Worth, 426 Gap St., New Orleans, and inter-viewed Mr. J. B. More Vice President. A copy of the applintion fora, Me Fair Ply :or Cuba Committee, bolrind the nem "A . J !Udell P. 0. Sox 32016, New Origene, La." we thole to bin. He said without • doubt this lia4 been made with • Superior theftmt, No. 2,. He arid then sets cost 92.50, were manutmtured by the Superior Equipment Co., Chicago, and were sold by practically all stationery stores, department Peres, etc. He told the set contained all the letters in the elphsbat and using the net • prima could mho neat stomps in any eombinstion of math.
14. Poore was shown a photogreth of Othald but stated he had never mom thin person before.
On 11.26-63 called at the goo Orions Better huniese Bureau and made sae checks in the following nine.
Fair Play for Cube - negative Lee Harvey Oswald - Deprive A. J. 'Udell, Alex Joan itidoll-Haydel - negative Dr. Leonean 1101DOOMIA • negative
then me a file under the nee Directorio Reveluncicoario listudiantil. It was reviewed and reflected that the local representative is Carlos Brinvrier. Pother, that • Kn. 00/041 bed called the Better Busing.. Bureau on on unknown date to advise that Bringther had given her am a beat of ticket. to all. The Batter Business Bureau had cheated
, with City Sell, New Orion., and me informal that Bringuler heel called at City lieri). and cos gives the lecturer, fora to execute in order to make it legal for him to sell tickets or Dohs in connective with the Cuban Student Directorate. The file reflects that Ins. fermi had been no notified.
Page 18 CO-2-34,030 November 30, 1963
There was • file on the Cuban Dementia Atholuntionary Front, Crusade to tree Cuba, P. O. Box 50523, New Orleans, which had been rented as of 10-2-62 under the above listed roe. Thin file me reviewed but nothirsi of interest was noted.
Then the also • file under the title of The Information Council of the Americas, INCA Truth Tapes Headquarters, 620 finevier St., New Orions, Prone 523-3614. We file ies reviewed but nothing of interest was noted.
re 11-26-63 SA Gerrit. received • telephone all from Hr. Robert Critcher, Yield Repre-sentative, Louie/me Stet. Unemployment office, 630 Cam St., New Orleans. He stated that Lee Harvey Oswald had registered with their office for memployment benefit*, had filed • riain for benefits sod was registered for ton.
Mr. Critcher said that the lest time clawald reported to his office was about maths ego nen be filed • clan for benefits. punter, that all wage elnims were mainethe State of Tenth. He stated that ehoulti we than to review the record., we should first contact Mr. Jerminal Nethina, District Superintendent, State of Imisiana, Department of lobar, Divirioa of Employment Security, 430 Canal St., City, phone 524-1741.
Tas some date made phone call to Mr. Messina and he stated that ethly m the morning of 11-26.63 an FBI *gent had been given all of the reeorde pertaining to Oswald.
Me said his office bed =de . check in the tame A. J. Hidell and various other epellings of this nem with mgative results.
SAIL Rice toter contacted Aila• Elylveeter, rill, New Orleans, and he stated that if Mr. Nesmith weld authorise his office to make • reproduction of the 'mends pertaining to Cleald, hie office would mks some end furnish then to thin office. SAIC Rice minuted
Nessith by phone and he method he meld ecataet the FBI office and authorise the reproduction of the records. They were funneled this office by SA Leon 0.0300 1, FBI, ea 11-27-63, and • copy of the complete record was furnished the Della. office by Office tiesoranten dated 11-29-63.
an 11-26-63 LE phone call as made to Copt. R. E. Horton, In State Police, Beth Rouge, Ia. He um requested to mks • nem cheek in the following listed mem and advise this office of the render imediatelye
Lee limey Oswald Clay Bertrand Fair Play for Cubs A. J. Iiidell-Nthdele etc.
The on date • phone call vas received free Capt. Horton. Be stated that he had an PSI transcript of the criminal record of Othald, m well m • fingerprint can n OsimIA, and multi furnith en with • copy of ..eh. Alm, that he had • record of James Abner liariel, bar adding., Bookie, La., who had been arrested at Noma, Ie. on 1-0-55 for indecent empoeuree He maid he would Amish • photostat of the fingerprint card of the enjoin in the gnat It weld be of ony salute
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also 2.hat of the re.4.7:00 of tho '...11y :or Cuba °monis mien lo...'orialion but Chit could, net .^arnish this unless authorised to ran en •
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a: the ...tat:. :elle:, re 2:14 ha had no nano to believe t.hat would sea ootheri:e. hL,0 to Zuraich it, eat re thuld cheek with Id, cad
a,nr,0001, Cay.. %on:ca.:eon nerd tho 11y ilem; tilt 11,c *tit: Ito,. a s, .e tro0:.1.r. ,a1.3 nyleritl tn0 a'al..thred n tie eaTice me the tuning
hot 'nett net:, meta of the urns untie-Jed i1420 2“, -_coo:ate:: -inn any a: tho perseao et the prawn tke,
dr. y:y‘e Z.: :errata, celled at tho :Try, V•ov, , phone
--•• 2'.'" whera we arta:viewed. ;c and a :ones tehmeZ gee Earthy
:te at.cad :hot Lt citnar 11514. cr 1::59 he hod percuaded Ciowald to join the Civil 4ir 20.'fireon ?00140. Fe raids 4.1walti attuned abort four meting.
is rococo for doir.,; so the fact that it Was • conoid..
./..ra le 4. too Cep:. a for--cr. pilot or nupilet for 1..lta _..ate..r. 141.11.0:4 1111t. • a cos ea,y cape.. ,arrie ths
nr..r.-..r:er at :walo .• , not knee if Genial was hied Tit:.-....: .0
;e4b..1 :114 hc ha: ono contar. -- L..1. eight years. Co in...load to 0:01,00. eilirs in two 0700. he t:aula arythint that would be of valku t.a t.-.1.a .5.•fice. •
Vaabol collecas „enc. .urtdir, th.0.t. he Me on Italisiunke rifle 01 0.4C 1y10 13 140 one 4.11:Lecly used ta :heat tho ?antic:ant; that he MICA. this 01.10 aovcrol lot La 12 4.3 poorly conctructed boo duoided that it woe beat not to she:, 1. aaynore foryi rerner. he waa afraid 14 waulc expleda.
hoc:'- ;;Ic- acquair.ted, had informed 240.0 til:a
meted 0s. --•C; r:...zLhad wiled hLo •
inter...tad La aostearair.„. the r.otc :014 :re, Lalsero set feria getter to bo euldittcd
;here are a niiber 01 crtrene: listrd it tin .va. Grlonlo ;o1c;thene asp*. horal listed 04 Clay. :1:00 es C. irtreir:, 1121 .;iinville Gt. Fr.sh, phone
ee :1,a4 :40 . 010: tidy, at 11-26.41 bY c.eteiets4 C.,1111 Get aattce her huoontado toll
1 14 7.1:• Li-- :v., it a tar 044 00L11 00 cansacted at the ...a001.: -on Calcona, 523-2.311, otatod the did
arec:a 0.10 :enure St., City, and 4 roll with prcalha azwen•weonta redo Moo.
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C.:. Carrot: at the __.7...!re.-.2.1otin- 1.1:211::..41.drt arc to Ofisined root.. i'foto ?roviona area-ad.-an-a
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.11-1;..11 latarvitres4 ..ra. ?w,evle inar..1.1-. drat 16.4 Crlea,ai hiae • .1r, vrice4o, for t0.0 rcaoca irthra, prom:au:1y sectioned, had
L.........11..""r112 coon ‘14a. 1:44 ar1a4 to at :a oi:ice at Siiu coop, 3. 01.1200,, :to warnea e.iloe Zero/tura staa a: drat:: oat. table: and toot .ho'
wr4,4::: to holt...it:hie niLet. ..rs, ivanally crishotically :tented she had not sea; Litz xi: in ,yeestion. the :ale it wia 0011 raw.. thit arthue tras LA Casio. rental clic an] 111.4 ho tord.Luot 2.1C4 :0.11211 .;:222:-.2221 to a.s.r.act. atteation, Cho was :hot.n photo Oswald ant atated errs had rover oath his bc:oro.
1:e Caron, Ce•dala i allocod to have hod 2010 coaversatien with Ccraci 2241 crcau leres oad, Lt tirr store of isrlea ,:,riaL,eler, 0111-2043 4,..1C.-LptOd to contact et. 'halo, *:.:-'5..1595, It a:: ad that his owner nod been chan;04. Cukorgent to 1110, 10. :coo t-l=ao.:T., L';7.4 ..er tritons, in:or:Ad Coo ,sitar that .rants
hia ilierviered kraci. 14.a achrtorledged that ha had talked to krald for a vary alert. el, w;,110 israci, '410 144111; to 52eal: to kinauier. S.l kekell Let. t1st. wo0la 0* V444.
. Ci; Cr. 11-30-63 contacted ocrry :lace, law Crider., phone Ya :toted 1.0 wo. foreli.1 -40; the Zolloala, coaiidcaoo for the r-4nata, ! • fatner is in ..riaan CY24 end 1.r tho .rant; ?croons shou1e learn whet he is cooperating with t'sx Ce.vr.rnient., he feels that tn., Castro Cavern:not night bare his nethor and fatdor.
Cerlas :old th., after Jawald nee been arrthtst* on 3-9-23, Carlo. S'inguier ordered o inflitraLa dowold'e ort.anitatien it ha mould. a said 'as want to nowild.a
10.0 +01 4lC7 ....:;3010.1 Si., ACV urloana, tha date nat. rcailica, but it was be,cen the date dardo.14 a,_ -had in court and toe date od Lea debate, pocaibly on O-16-41,
ha 4,0.ar. aiarat one hour taitr. 00 uswili who, telt. :1111 ba learned, to cps:': duenian et 111.44 talvarzity, .ti vol:5as. (tarlos rain ...-4014 cache to hie youn; ! 114..atcr 4 41241a. 114,24.e. 1:h0n lorla: a:404 .:wold whet lea...uriA aa woo saeshiag, !
..e Laid kiwild cad .003...datiorn4 to Mu 0.1,1 he hod doiactoi se 0, ,tr,aad enui hio 10 join ten .ear-̀ 1;y Yor :htee croup and has given
as 4.0:1140.01141 Jiteld, tole hia Le 0044 join :or
le salechoriat the convoreatioa, Gswale stated shit if the kited Sites onaeld :wet ho, kra14, would f ight 01 the sica of the Czotro Cavern:cat.
it aald v.awale rooter did exotica any of the noip0 of natters of the Air ?lay for Cuba 1rotp• dld any that noctinga were hold at variaca ?rivets hone. in raw galena.
Carlo* aaie ha had been willing to -loan the rat- :lay for Cuba ,;coup provided is was 00,0 vita t w o: the 41i1 or the local police force. ao Said le had made Laid
a to Lt. 11.:PS, who apparently /ergot about it.
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