#EvidenceBigS twitter transcript

#evidencebigswthashtag.com/evidencebigs

Transcript from October 4, 2010 to October 12, 2010

All times are Pacific Time

October 4, 2010

9:12 am commutiny: @karlwilding & team It was fab to meet you and agree #EvidenceBigS for yr

NCVO Research seminar next week. Will there be Wifi?

9:27 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: It was fab to meet you and agree #EvidenceBigS for seminar

next week. Will there be Wifi? <yes, ncvo conf suite has wifi

12:27 pm elliebrodie: Getting geared up for next week's seminar hosted at NCVO. Check out

#EvidenceBigS for live reporting

5:34 pm karlwilding: RT @LKMco: Who will finance Big Society? We're going to do a session at

#evidenceBigS on this very issue next week...

5:41 pm LKMco: ?@karlwilding: @LKMco: Who will finance Big Society? going to do a session at

#evidenceBigS on this very issue next week" pls send me info!

October 5, 2010

6:25 am veroniquejochum: RT @elliebrodie: Getting geared up for next week's seminar hosted at NCVO.

Check out #EvidenceBigS for live reporting

3:15 pm commutiny: Evidence gathered by the research community has a real role to play in informing

and challenging emerging policy agendas. #EvidenceBigS

3:20 pm commutiny: You should also follow @elliebrodie for #EvidenceBigS

October 6, 2010

7:14 am commutiny: Presenters, panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS are #topnotch. They

know how to make a compelling, credible case, that's for sure.

7:16 am tobyblume: @commutiny i was thinking the same - interesting list of people going. i'm looking

forward to it! #EvidenceBigS #topnotch

7:31 am commutiny: Margaret Harris gave a great NCVO/Carnegie Seminar on Bridging Social Capital

in 2008 http://ow.ly/2Pc1I She's chairing #EvidenceBigS too!

7:35 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @commutiny i was thinking the same - interesting list of people

going. i'm looking forward to it! #EvidenceBigS #topnotch

7:37 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: M/ Harris' great NCVO/Carnegie 2008 ppt on Bridging Social

Capital http://ow.ly/2PbZS She's charining #EvidenceBigS too!

October 7, 2010

3:25 pm commutiny: Diana Leat, another #thirdsector #superstar is chairing the #funding session at

#EvidenceBigS on Monday http://ow.ly/2PB5q

3:31 pm commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at #EvidenceBigS

Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5

5:11 pm commutiny: Diana Leat, another #thirdsector #superstar is chairing the #funding session at

#EvidenceBigS on Monday http://ow.ly/2PB5q

5:11 pm commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at #EvidenceBigS

Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5

7:19 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at

#EvidenceBigS Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5

October 8, 2010

8:04 am commutiny: RT @SchSocEnt: A small and clear presentation about the Big Society http://bit.ly

/azqbDl by @karlwilding #EvidenceBigS

2:53 pm commutiny: @hackofalltrades Margaret Harris did some fantastic work on #SocialCapital for

Carnegie Trust. (Also follow #EvidenceBigS on Monday)

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7:39 pm commutiny: I've got a printout of the House of Lords debate on the #charity sector to read

before #EvidenceBigS Tell me I'm not alone.

7:56 pm commutiny: Surely I can't be the only #thirdsector practitioner to get excited by Nick Deakin's

triangle? Those academics are on our side #EvidenceBigS

8:00 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Surely I can't be the only #thirdsector practitioner to get excited

by Nick Deakin's triangle? Those academics are on our side #EvidenceBigS

8:02 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: RT @SchSocEnt: A small and clear presentation about the Big

Society http://bit.ly/azqbDl by @karlwilding #EvidenceBigS

October 10, 2010

5:47 pm kairudat: @karlwilding Looking forward to NCVO #bigsociety evidence gathering tomorr.

despite bad cold. Maybe somebody will have remedy? #EvidenceBigS

5:53 pm karlwilding: RT @kairudat: Looking forward to @NCVO #bigsociety evidence gathering

tomorr. despite bad cold. Maybe s/body will have remedy? #EvidenceBigS

5:56 pm karlwilding: @kairudat I reckon you and @tobyblume are bringing bad colds to #EvidenceBigS

tomorrow, if your tweets are anything to go by!

5:57 pm kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1 Looking forward to

talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS

6:09 pm PhilipColligan: RT @kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1

Looking forward to talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS

October 11, 2010

12:45 am AdurVA: RT @karlwilding: RT @kairudat: Looking forward to @NCVO #bigsociety evidence

gathering tomorr. despite bad cold. Maybe s/body will have remedy?

#EvidenceBigS

6:42 am commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch #thirdsector academics as

an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers #EvidenceBigS

6:45 am commutiny: RT @kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1

Looking forward to talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS

6:50 am jenlouiseclark: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch

#thirdsector academics as an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers

#EvidenceBigS

6:50 am commutiny: Themes for #EvidenceBigS today are #participation #ServiceDelivery & #funding

with contributions from senior civil servants & academics

6:54 am commutiny: Impressive lineup @karlwilding & @NCVO research team have pulled together for

#EvidenceBigS I'll be helping share the proceedings with y'all

7:01 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch


#EvidenceBigS

7:39 am commutiny: I wonder how often these senior academics gets together in small sessions these

days? Have a feeling that #EvidenceBigS will be #productive

7:58 am sburall: Stuck on a train on my way in to chair #participation session of #evidencebigs.

Looks like it's going to be fascinating when I get there.

7:59 am sburall: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists

and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a

7:59 am commutiny: Charity sector "provides the context within which the state and business function" -

surely pertinent to #EvidenceBigS (Lords debate, 5/10)

8:01 am urbanforum: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists


8:12 am commutiny: Anticipation is building in the seminar room, the geese are heckling already from

the canal outside @NCVO's offices #evidencebigs

8:22 am NCVO: RT @commutiny: Impressive lineup @karlwilding & @NCVO research team have

pulled together for #EvidenceBigS I'll be helping share the proceedings with y'all

8:25 am tonybovaird: Looks like format for today's TSRC event at NCVO is more Select Committeds

than Select Committees! #EvidenceBigS

8:25 am commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: Looks like format for todays TSRC event at NCVO is more

Select Committeds than Select Committees! #evidencebigs


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8:25 am davidpidsley: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch


#EvidenceBigS

8:41 am commutiny: Diana Leat is all smiles this morning http://ow.ly/2RvW2 #evidencebigs

8:51 am commutiny: Office for Civil Society replaces Office of the Third Sector << they're speaking

today at #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2Rw2i

8:55 am ncvochlo: Interested in the #bigsociety - follow #NCVO seminar on the evidence base

through the hashtag #EvidenceBigS

9:04 am commutiny: Ben Kernigan, Deputy CEO of @NCVO kicks off #EvidenceBigS explaining the

rationale - it is important for #thirdsector to inform policymakers

9:04 am tobyblume: Settling in for #EvidenceBigS session @ncvo @karlwilding kicking off

proceedings

9:05 am elliebrodie: listening to NCVO's deputy CEO introduce a fun-packed day about the Big Society

here at NCVO. Follow us today at #EvidenceBigS

9:05 am commutiny: TSRC - Third Sector Research Centre is joint sponsor of the seminar today

http://ow.ly/2Rwir #evidencebigs

9:06 am tonybovaird: Karl Wilding (NCVO) Chatham House rule at seminar today - recording and

tweeting, but no attributions! #EvidenceBigS

9:07 am commutiny: If you want to ask any questions, I'll feed them into the proceedings

#evidencebigs

9:08 am commutiny: David Prout, Director General - Communities (CLG) http://ow.ly/2RvLa opens by

presenting the policy background #evidencebigs

9:08 am elliebrodie: Director General from CLG is giving us a bit of policy background on the Big

Society...#evidenceBigS

9:08 am commutiny: @tonybovaird Presenters & Pannelists can be named as sessions are being

recorded - questions & debate will not be attributed #evidencebigs

9:09 am ncvochlo: @karlwilding setting out agenda for #Ncvo #evidencebigs hopes we can move

beyond discussion about what is #bigsociety to how we deliver it

9:10 am commutiny: Mr Prout reminds us that David Cameron's great passion is creating the

#BigSociety (he told us 19th July & remains committed) #evidencebigs

9:11 am Emma_NCVO: RT @ncvochlo: @karlwilding setting out agenda for #Ncvo #evidencebigs hopes

we can move beyond discussion about what is #bigsociety to how we deliver it

9:11 am ncvochlo: RT @commutiny: If you want to ask any questions, I'll feed them into the

proceedings #evidencebigs

9:12 am tobyblume: David Prout context: £1 of every £8 spent in uk economy is national debt

#evidencebigs

9:13 am elliebrodie: Prout reminds us of the scale of the economic problem: for every £8 spent, £1 is

borrowed #evidenceBigS

9:14 am NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety seminar

9:15 am elliebrodie: publications relating to Big Sock include 'Total Politics Labour's Command State'

#evidenceBigS

9:15 am karlwilding: If you've got questions for researchers and policy makers on #bigsociety, we'll try

and help you today. just use #evidencebigs

9:15 am sburall: #bigsociety is much more than that section in the coalition agreement

#evidencebigs

9:16 am ncvochlo: David Prout setting out policy context for #bigsociety PM personal commitment,

govt borrowing, coalition politics #evidencebigs

9:17 am NCVOWorkforce: RT @NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety

seminar

9:18 am commutiny: #BigSociety is about a huge culture change where people feel #free and

#powerful enough to help themselves & their communities #evidencebigs

9:18 am tonybovaird: David Prout: Big Society matched by Big Citizens, who feel both free & powerful

enough to help themselves & their communities #EvidenceBigS

9:18 am tobyblume: Oops, just been singled out by david prout for being unlikely to agree with him....

#evidencebigs #whatdidido

9:19 am karlwilding: Sherringham (?) in Norfolk - local referendum on getting a supermarket - example

of decision making in the #bigsociety? #evidenceBigS


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9:19 am sburall: planning ref in sherringham, 50% voted, abt 15% for tesco, 5 fewer for waitrose &

500 for no supermarket. does planning work? #evidencebigs

9:19 am ncvochlo: The tippity tap of all the people in the room with ipads is making me green with

envy! #evidencebigs

9:19 am tobyblume: Useful highlighting of planning system as evidence of need for major change to

respond more to citizen aspirations #evidencebigs

9:19 am tonybovaird: David Prout: Referendum in Sheringham, Norfolk, showed local people want

supermarket, tho council blocked it for many years - #EvidenceBigS

9:20 am Rani_kuk: RT @tobyblume: Oops, just been singled out by david prout for being unlikely to

agree with him.... #evidencebigs #whatdidido <oh deary :)

9:20 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS - redefining fairness is a central feature of government policy at

the moment

9:20 am commutiny: #BigSociety is about changing balance of power toward Big Citizens, based on

values of #freedom, #fairness & #responsibility #evidencebigs

9:20 am demsoc: Perhaps we need a #realbigsoc to go alongside what the Government are pushing

#EvidenceBigS

9:20 am sburall: Cameroon- 3 principles under lie #bigsociety, philanthropic action, community

action, govt action (pub service reform) #evidencebigs

9:21 am elliebrodie: BigSoc=changing balance of power e.g. making planning system more responsive

to what people want #evidenceBigS

9:21 am sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion, transparency, providing funding

#evidencebigs

9:21 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS David Prout has an excellent slide that defines #bigsociety and

how we deliver it - a must see, we'll get a copy

9:22 am commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: David Prout: Referendum in Sheringham, Norfolk, showed local

people want supermarket, tho council blocked it for many years - #EvidenceBigS

9:22 am sburall: Prout provides a grid - must change happen everywhere, vs does govt specify

approach or no. So four quadrants. #evidencebigs

9:22 am tobyblume: Key Qs: must change happen everywhere? And will gov specify how change

should happen? #evidencebigs

9:22 am paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-11453994

#evidenceBigS

9:22 am sburall: changes that decentralise, ie elected police commissioners, must happen and

everywhere = a universal change. #evidencebigs

9:23 am commutiny: @karlwilding Yes please. Very good summary slide from David Prout

#EvidenceBigS

9:23 am sburall: bespoke change - doesn't have to happen everywhere, but govt must specify how

- eg new powers for London Mayor #evidencebigs

9:24 am elliebrodie: Don't see 'guiding principles' of decentralisation as one size fits all says Proust -

#evidenceBigS

9:24 am commutiny: RT @paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-

11453994 #evidencebigs

9:24 am sburall: Rights change - doesn't have to happen everywhere and centre doesn't specify eg

right to develop a new school or right to buy #evidencebigs

9:24 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS approach to decentralisation will be universal, permissive,

bespoke and based on rights (eg right to est free school)

9:24 am tobyblume: Accountability universal and prescriptive, LEPs permissive, bespoke, mayors and

rights not everywhere and not prescriptive #evidencebigs

9:24 am karlwilding: RT @paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-

11453994 #evidenceBigS

9:25 am commutiny: 3 principles underpin #bigsociety, philanthropic action, community action, govt

action (pub service reform) (via @sburall) #evidencebigs

9:25 am elliebrodie: RIghts agenda coming through strong in #BigSociety discourse says CLG's David

Proust #evidenceBigS

9:25 am urbanforum: RT @sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion, transparency,

providing funding #evidencebigs

9:26 am sburall: so what is the role for the VCS? #evidencebigs


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9:26 am ivolunteeruk: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists


9:26 am elliebrodie: CLG is doing work on dismantling barriers to community action reports its Director

General #evidenceBigS

9:27 am sburall: Govt has strong commitment tot greater diversity of supply, and decent and

localism, changing balance of power #evidencebigs

9:27 am sburall: and reduced spending... #evidencebigs

9:27 am commutiny: RT @sburall: Govt has strong commitment tot greater diversity of supply, and

decent and localism, changing balance of power #evidencebigs

9:28 am commutiny: We need to get under all this talk of commitment, decentralisation & redistribution

of power. We have to overtake govt on this #evidencebigs

9:30 am commutiny: Response to "'twas ever thus" critique of #BigSociety? Apparently this is an

opportunity to do stuff we've always wanted to do #evidencebigs

9:31 am CLESKTP: great stuff emanating from #evidencebigs thanks tweeps...

9:31 am tobyblume: 'absolutely true' that lots of people already doing #bigsociety importance of

lessening grip from Whitehall can't b undrstmatd #evidencebigs

9:31 am sburall: Prout; ironically there must be a structure - ironically - to help move people from

here to where govt wants them #evidencebigs

9:32 am commutiny: I think we need to tease out where culture change needs to be, how #charities

support that, e.g. helping govt to decentralise #evidencebigs

9:32 am redcci: RT @urbanforum: RT @sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion,

transparency, providing funding #evidencebigs

9:33 am tobyblume: Q: Locally responsive services cost more...no economy of scale, what do gov

want? #evidencebigs

9:33 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: I think we need to tease out where culture change needs to be,

how #charities support that, e.g. helping govt to decentralise #evidencebigs

9:33 am commutiny: Slides & info will be publiished soon too! @CLESKTP Follow this list of panellists

and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2RwN0

9:33 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: Q: Locally responsive services cost more...no economy of

scale, what do gov want? #evidencebigs

9:34 am sburall: challenge for big infrastructure orgs, do you centralise and get economies of scale

vs localise to get more bespoke services #evidencebigs

9:34 am sburall: but this latter is more expensive #evidencebigs

9:35 am tobyblume: Q is #bigsociety different to previous gov eg take part? A: who knows?

#evidencebigs

9:35 am sburall: my qu govt has a commitment to decent, but also is dictating some things that

must change; itt is also dictating changes so... #evidencebigs

9:35 am davidwilcox: RT @demsoc: Perhaps we need a #realbigsoc to go alongside what the

Government are pushing #EvidenceBigS

9:35 am elliebrodie: Conservative way of thinking about the world has been updated and put into words

of 'bigsociety' #evidenceBigS

9:36 am commutiny: @sburall I think that's up to us (VCS) to define - and demonstrate! Need to just get

on with providing evidence i.e. doing #evidencebigs

9:36 am sburall: ....so... how is govt judging what changes that must happen, and how ensure not

work against decent #evidencebigs

9:37 am sburall: ans: paradox that to get decent my need to dictate - eg getting accountability for

police will only happen if dictated #evidencebigs

9:37 am tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov ARE pushing anything! If so what are

implications? #evidencebigs

9:37 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov ARE pushing

anything! If so what are implications? #evidencebigs

9:38 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @ivolunteeruk: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow

this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a

9:39 am commutiny: @sburall Govt's job is to make law & enforce it. Personally I want accountability for

agents of the state to be dictated #evidencebigs

9:39 am sockbook: RT @commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov

ARE pushing anything! If so what are implications? #evidencebigs


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9:39 am elliebrodie: Greg Clark will communicate clear thinking about decentralisation says Proust

#evidenceBigS

9:40 am commutiny: RT @elliebrodie: Greg Clark will communicate clear thinking about decentralisation

says Proust #evidencebigs

9:40 am tobyblume: Q: where/what is the role for #localgov in #bigsociety ? Didn't get a chance to ask

:( #evidencebigs

9:41 am commutiny: << Greg Clark is Member of Parliament for Tunbridge Wells http://ow.ly/2RwVq

#evidencebigs

9:41 am elliebrodie: Simon from #Involve introducing session on participation at #evidenceBigS

9:42 am TimGodden: #evidencebigs is the Sheringham ref. a good example? Is it not just a case of

individuals rather than community action?

9:42 am sockbook: @commutiny @tobyblume @davidwilcox @demsoc #evidencebigs #bigsociety =

everyone's an officer of the state now! Fascism! Yay!

9:43 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS Prout: govt has a very strong commitment to: the #bigsociety;

diversity of supply; localism; new balance of power; cuttl

9:43 am elliebrodie: easy to be cynical about #BigSociety but we need to step beyond this to see how

to make it work says Simon Burrell #evidenceBigS

9:44 am commutiny: @sburrall Chairs the #participation session http://ow.ly/2RwXq and introduces

Colin Rochester http://ow.ly/2RwZ5 #evidencebigs

9:44 am elliebrodie: Colin Rochester uses 'volunteering' interchangably with 'participation' (so

campaigning, political action, and more) #evidenceBigS

9:45 am commutiny: RT @elliebrodie: Colin Rochester uses #volunteering interchangably with

#participation (so campaigning, political action, etc) #evidencebigs

9:45 am elliebrodie: Why do people volunteer? See Clary and Snyder - classic psychological text that

helps to explain #evidenceBigS

9:47 am elliebrodie: Another explanation for participation from social movements literature-because

people like joining groups (see Clandermas) #evidenceBigS

9:48 am commutiny: @elliebrodie The Functional Approach to Volunteers? Motivation (Clary & Snyder)

http://ow.ly/2Rx33 #evidencebigs

9:49 am karlwilding: @TimGodden not sure abut your Q Tim; dont know enough yet. Any other

tweeps? #evidencebigS

9:49 am elliebrodie: Another explanation (for why people volunteer) is human resources-education,

religion, culture (e.g. it's 'normal' in the US) #evidenceBigS

9:50 am karlwilding: RT @GdnVoluntary: @karlwilding Would be very interested in that! <we'll make

available all todays materials in a package #evidenceBigS

9:50 am commutiny: You'll get copies of the presentations later, so I'm finding some of the #evidence

& backup work for you #evidencebigs

9:51 am ncvochlo: #bigsociety is a deep run political philosophy that taps into historical strands of

conservative thinking #evidencebigs

9:51 am elliebrodie: Rochester says we can also look to circumstance: are people given opportunities

to volunteer? Are there institutional barriers #evidenceBigS

9:52 am elliebrodie: THE most important deciding factor about why people volunteer is if someone

asks them says Colin Rochester #evidenceBigS

9:52 am commutiny: Colin Rochester also references the work of Bert Klandermans, e.g. The demand

and supply of #participation http://ow.ly/2Rx7N #evidencebigs

9:53 am katherinehudson: sorry to be missing out on #evidenceBigS

9:53 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS if you want people to get involved, you have to ask them

9:54 am elliebrodie: Looking forward to discussing implication for #BigSociety about people getting

involved because they are asked #evidenceBigS

9:55 am commutiny: Home Office "Older Volunteers" programme is a good example of where govt

asked people to #participate http://ow.ly/2Rxb0 #evidencebigs

9:55 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS now listening to John Mohaan of Third Sector Research Centre on

stats and volunteering

9:55 am elliebrodie: Moving swiftly on to John Mohan from TSRC - hopefully he'll tell us some

interesting stats - he often does #evidenceBigS

9:56 am commutiny: Next up on #participation Professor John Mohan, Deputy Director, Third Sector

Research Centre http://ow.ly/2RvOO #evidencebigs


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9:56 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs 'community' decision making is not new and is

practised in by most RCC related projects that inc #localgov

9:57 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are

asked

9:57 am karlwilding: RT @TimGodden: #evidencebigs 'community' decision making is not new and is

practised in by most RCC related projects that inc #localgov

9:57 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how

the questions are asked #evidencebigs

9:58 am elliebrodie: It's difficult to 'shift the stats' on volunteering says Mohan (i.e. volunteering levels

remain pretty stable over time) #evidenceBigS

9:58 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all surveys suggests

change might be difficult

9:59 am davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar #evidencebigs by

@commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu later

9:59 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all

surveys suggests change might be difficult

10:00 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how

the questions are asked

10:00 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS John Mohan describing the 'civic core': peopl who give time and

money and participate in civic organisations

10:00 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how


10:00 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all


10:01 am RedTweeters: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how


10:02 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on

these individuals as a society, big or otherwise

10:03 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are

heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise

10:03 am commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and civic participation (higher>more)

#evidencebigs

10:03 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are


10:03 am RedTweeters: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are


10:03 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS the civic core are very unevenly distributed; they are concentrated

in prosperous areas

10:04 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and civic participation

(higher>more) #evidencebigs

10:04 am elliebrodie: Place matters in how civically engaged people are, says Mohan: most prosperous

areas have most participation #evidenceBigS

10:04 am Emma_NCVO: Interesting stuff re the make-up of the civic core. Be interesting to know how many

of people in the room are one of them. #evidencebigs

10:05 am Emma_NCVO: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are


10:06 am commutiny: @Emma_NCVO We were called "Select Committeds" earlier by @tonybovaird :D

#evidencebigs

10:06 am hackofalltrades: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are


10:07 am ivolunteeruk: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of population are civic core: we are heavily

reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise

10:08 am commutiny: Q: What influence does family history have on membership in civic core? (I

wonder if this is as well researched in UK as US) #evidencebigs

10:08 am ncvochlo: RT @davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar

#evidencebigs by @commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu

later

10:08 am gmbmenetwork: RT @NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety

seminar


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10:09 am ncvochlo: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are


10:09 am elliebrodie: Info about student volunteering shows that if undergrads volunteers at school they

are more likely to as a student #evidenceBigS

10:10 am commutiny: @spotsoftimeuk @elliebrodie Take care with the 8% stat - it's being presented as

the civic core I think, not non-participants #evidencebigs

10:11 am commutiny: There isn't much evidence about transition in and out of volunteering for those who

start at a young age #evidencebigs

10:11 am elliebrodie: Rochester cites the Power Inquiry from 2006 check http://bit.ly/bLZqtd for more

#evidenceBigS

10:12 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we be worried that the

participation gap will increase inequality?

10:13 am elliebrodie: John Mohan references the project I'm working on - woo hoo! See Pathways

through Participation http://bit.ly/ahPOaq #evidenceBigS

10:13 am JessyFarr: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all


10:13 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we

be worried that the participation gap will increase inequality?

10:14 am Emma_NCVO: How do we make the 'big' in Big Society? Good question. #evidencebigs

10:15 am commutiny: Some background on "what creates and sustains active citizenship" here >

Pathways Through #Participation http://ow.ly/2RxvJ #evidencebigs

10:15 am ncvochlo: Rohan Silva from No 10 very clear last week - if #bigsociety only delivers for

middle class sharp elbowed it will have failed #evidencebigs

10:15 am TimGodden: RT @karlwilding: RT @commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and

civic participation (higher>more) #evidencebigs

10:16 am elliebrodie: Bringing more people into volunteering will demand resources and infrastructure

says Mohan from TSRC #evidenceBigS

10:16 am TimGodden: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we

be worried that the participation gap will increase inequality?

10:16 am karlwilding: Here's John Mohan's article for The Guardian on the civic core: http://bit.ly/d1oyTk

#evidencebigS #bigsociety

10:16 am commutiny: Collective activities don't show up on the #Charity deserts map, more research is

needed #evidencebigs

10:17 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS we are now discussing the difference between civil and civic

participation, a really important discussion for me

10:17 am steve4good: RT @davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar

#evidencebigs by @commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu

later

10:19 am commutiny: Charities might not be the heart of the #BigSociety once we realise how much less

formal #participation & #volunteering exists #evidencebigs

10:19 am elliebrodie: Focus on neighbourhood groups from the Govt. How can we measure this type of

participation? It's tough says Mohan #evidenceBigS

10:20 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS one of the great things about the @NCVO conf suite is being

heckled by a cormorant from its nest outside

10:20 am commutiny: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups & movements

work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs

10:21 am TargetWellbeing: RT @Emma_NCVO: How do we make the 'big' in Big Society? Good question.

#evidencebigs

10:21 am elliebrodie: TSRC doing 'mico mapping' to show neighbourhood groups and informal activity.

Helping reveal different forms of volunteering #evidenceBigS

10:21 am CLESKTP: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups & movements

work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs >SNA!!

10:21 am commutiny: Will micromapping type evidence be giving more examples of what we already

know exists, or revealing additional volunteering? #evidencebigs

10:23 am commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or ensuring people

can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs

10:23 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny We lack sophisticated u/standing of how informal groups &

movements work. Will micromapping + #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs


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10:24 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or

ensuring people can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs

10:25 am elliebrodie: Don't have much survey data on who receives in cash or in kind - we need to know

more says Mohan #evidenceBigS

10:25 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups &

movements work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs

10:25 am ncvochlo: wondered how long it would take for 'N' word to crop up at #evidencebigs session

(nudge) Would like to explore further role in #bigsociety..

10:25 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs one of the potential barriers for policy development is that we dont

know enough about who benefits from vol action and VCOs

10:25 am elliebrodie: RT @commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or

ensuring people can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs

10:26 am commutiny: If you're interested in the policy environment for #thirdsector, read Prof Alcock

(free annual sub) http://ow.ly/2Rwsb #evidencebigs

10:26 am hackofalltrades: @karlwilding You're doing quite well if a cormorant is the only 1 heckling at a

#BigSociety event ;-) #EvidenceBigS

10:26 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs bingo! We've had the first official comment that 'we need more

research' :-)

10:27 am ncvochlo: RT @karlwilding: Here's John Mohan's article for The Guardian on the civic core:

http://bit.ly/d1oyTk #evidencebigS #bigsociety > v useful

10:27 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the 'below the radar' civil society (vcs) http://bit.ly

/d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety

10:27 am elliebrodie: How does (voluntary) campaigning fit into the #BigSociety? Interesting question

from the floor at #evidenceBigS

10:28 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs How much of what we have learnt already about participation is

useful if govt policy is going to 'change the country forever'?

10:28 am commutiny: RT @PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the 'below the radar' civil society (vcs)

http://bit.ly/d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety

10:29 am elliebrodie: Political parties and Trade Unions as routs into volunteering? Another good Q.

from the floor at #evidenceBigS

10:31 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just heard a very good point that collecting member subs by DD

instead of face to face changes the relationship with members

10:33 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where

volunteering isnt the culture

10:33 am elliebrodie: Rochester says membership has changed (more digital, less personal) so political

parties and TUs as way in isn't as likely now #evidenceBigS

10:33 am podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in

places where volunteering isnt the culture

10:34 am elliebrodie: Important words from todays seminar include 'behaviour change' and 'nudge'...are

other people thinking Thaler & Sunstein? #evidenceBigS

10:35 am commutiny: Historical #evidence on the third sector and volunteering, with a focus on UK health

care http://ow.ly/2RxMl #evidencebigs

10:35 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active citizenship:

http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/

10:36 am prbass: Enjoying the #evidencebigs stream. Trying to collate some data on membership

trends today, but the UK data archive "computer says no".

10:37 am commutiny: @VolunteeringEng is not keen on the idea of "Charity deserts" http://ow.ly/2RxOp

good #research & #evidence #evidencebigs

10:39 am davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: RT @commutiny We lack sophisticated u/standing of how

informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping + #hyperlocal help?

#evidencebigs

10:41 am elric_vh: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers

in places where volunteering isnt the culture

10:43 am elric_vh: RT @PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the 'below the radar' civil society (vcs)

http://bit.ly/d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety

10:47 am davidpidsley: @Webiversity could #ccldn ppl scrape #charity #opendata @ScraperWiki ? e.g.

http://davidpidsley.com/charity-financial-standard #EvidenceBigS

10:47 am commutiny: @elliebrodie I didn't pick up on nudge as a keyword, is there an evidence base for

policy? How easy is it to design a nudge? #evidencebigs


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10:49 am danielratchford: Sorry to be missing #evidencebigs this morning. Sounds like an interesting debate

on #BigSociety, #behaviourchange, and role of #localgov

10:50 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active

citizenship: http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/

10:50 am SchSocEnt: RT @karlwilding: Here's John Mohan's article for The Guardian on the civic core:

http://bit.ly/d1oyTk #evidencebigS #bigsociety

10:54 am commutiny: Fergus Lyon of TSRC and @tonybovaird now presenting on #ServiceDelivery,

chaired by Margaret Harris #evidencebigs

10:55 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active

citizenship: http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/

10:56 am sburall: @tonybovaird up now at #evidencebigs. very interesting flow chart of relationship

between citizens and public services; focusing on outcomes

10:57 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS Tony Bovaird: big society is not new, society is not broken. But this

activity is not seen as 'public service'

10:59 am sburall: and public services at local level finding it hard to engage with

community....#evidencebigs

10:59 am commutiny: While lessons can be learned, there are times when the self-help and

self-organising models are not appropriate. #evidencebigs

11:00 am elliebrodie: @commutiny Osborne co-authored an article with Nudge's Thaler, back in January

http://bit.ly/cvHDlG #evidenceBigS http://bit.ly/cvHDlG

11:00 am sburall: @tonyboviard identifies different types of co-production 7 types inc planning,

design, commisioning, funding... slide gone! #evidencebigs

11:02 am commutiny: Many co-production activities exist, not well researched or systematically

understood. In UK, proxy is number of #volunteers #evidencebigs

11:02 am elric_vh: Q: any clues from #evidencebigs about what mechanism of leadership identity

formation will span both educational & sociocultural dimensions?

11:02 am sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production - and challenge

is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs

11:03 am commutiny: RT @sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production -

and challenge is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs

11:03 am sburall: people not participating much willing to do more -- if it's interesting to them. is this

a marketing question? #evidencebigs

11:04 am sburall: @tonyboviard identifies a huge latent willingness of citizens to be come more

involved; if they are playing a worthwhile role. #evidencebigs

11:04 am sburall: do we understand risks related to co-production? #evidencebigs

11:04 am commutiny: Co-production implies innovation & taking risks (and by implication, higher #failure

tolerance) - can Govt handle it? #evidencebigs

11:05 am sburall: Prof Fergus Lyon up now, from Middlesex uni #evidencebigs

11:06 am tobyblume: RT @sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production -

and challenge is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs

11:06 am commutiny: @elric_vh Please explain your Q? Are you here or would you like us to ask for

you? #evidencebigs

11:06 am ruthkennedy: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what

motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture

11:06 am sburall: focusing on social enterprises; identifies reasons they are rated, seen as; closer

to communities, innovative .. #evidencebigs

11:06 am GetEngagedSA: RT @sburall: #evidencebigs. very interesting flow chart of relationship between

citizens and public services; focusing on outcomes

11:07 am sburall: Lyons wanting to question if these are true #evidencebigs. part is definitional - this

ref back to @tonyboviard and co-production too

11:08 am sburall: defining the social in social enterprises is subjective. #evidencebigs 'you'll know

one when you see one' which reminds me of...

11:08 am sburall: ... i was once told 'a social enterprise isn't any good unless you don't understand

what it does...' #evidencebigs

11:09 am sburall: big questions about how they use their surplus, does it go into organisation or into

the community? #evidencebigs

11:09 am tobyblume: Origins of #socent ...reminded of new JRF research on lessons from housing

assocs over past 50 yrs #evidencebigs


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11:09 am commutiny: @tobyblume @tobyblume I was wondering how to design a nudge that can be

measured. Attribution is hard in these changing times #EvidenceBigS

11:09 am karlwilding: RT @sburall: ... i was once told 'a social enterprise isn't any good unless you don't

understand what it does...' #evidencebigs

11:09 am ncvochlo: RT @dansumners: Re 'nudge' would you be happy if a friend, partner, manager

etc was controlling your behaviour in this way? #evidencebigs

11:09 am sburall: in then end the definition of social enterprise is political... #evidencebigs

11:10 am sburall: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what


11:10 am elric_vh: @commutiny please ask if poss - not at #evidencebigs unfortunately

11:11 am sburall: Lyons identifies the overlap in the data about social enterprise - #evidencebigs

11:12 am commutiny: RT @elric_vh: Q: any clues from #evidencebigs about what mechanism of

leadership identity formation will span both educational & sociocultural

dimensions?

11:12 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs the notion that there is a latent willingness seems a

little shallow - which generation is Bovaird refering to?

11:12 am sburall: there are two types of data, of private sector and third sector social enterprises.

diff data sets don't overlap. #evidencebigs

11:12 am sburall: again, evidence of political nature of definition #evidencebigs

11:13 am sburall: diff models of scaling up a social enterprise #evidencebigs

11:13 am ncvochlo: @dansumners I think it depends how and why ie sharing article on flex working

practice & staff welfare/retention etc #evidencebigs

11:14 am sburall: growing org; francihising and licensing (not many exist, implying challenges); open

access and dissem of good practice #evidencebigs

11:15 am tonybovaird: Fergus Lyon: Many social enterprises are protective of their intellectual capital -

limiting potential for their scaling up? #EvidenceBigS

11:15 am tobyblume: Interesting thoughts on growth and scale of service delivery vcs ors...but begs Q

wht r paths from social action to delivery? #evidencebigs

11:15 am commutiny: Nor do definitions, ouch RT @sburall: 2 types of data, of private & #thirdsector

social enterprises. Data sets don't overlap #evidencebigs

11:15 am sburall: challenges - are there untapped soc entrepreneurs out there? in community and

public sector? #evidencebigs

11:15 am karlwilding: @TimGodden #evidencebigs Tony didnt refer to a specific generation in terms of

co-production potential. Will ask Q.

11:16 am sburall: how willing are commissioners, services etc to take risk? #evidencebigs

11:16 am sburall: how demonstrate impact of social enterprise? #evidencebigs

11:16 am commutiny: @elric_vh Please also rephrase/contextualise? Help me understand your thinking

behind the question? #evidencebigs

11:16 am sburall: now moving to panel discussion and questions from floor - all chatham house

#evidencebigs

11:17 am sburall: RT @commutiny: Nor do definitions, ouch RT @sburall: 2 types of data, of private

& #thirdsector social enterprises. Data sets don't overlap #evidencebigs

11:17 am commutiny: @sburall Rarely willing enough, understandable fear of responses to #failure

(which is inevitable & necessary for innovation) #evidencebigs

11:19 am sburall: qu; is govt moving beyond co-production to community production eg free schools

#evidencebigs will these organisations spring up?

11:19 am Localopolis: My question for #evidencebigs is what is the difference between co-production

and citizenship? Isn't c'ship easier to explain?

11:20 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS re reform of public services + #bigsociety: Q: is govt still

interested in co-production, does it want community production?

11:20 am sburall: identifying problem of postcode lottery where communities deliver own services -

will public accept this #evidencebigs

11:21 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs thanks Karl. The idea smacks a little of 'blitz spirit'

mentality and does not sit with reality.

11:22 am tobyblume: 'best Dr is usually the patient' > not if I'm having brain surgery, thanks!

#evidencebigs


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11:22 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Nice quote on bigsociety and prevention: have to stop ppl falling in

streams so that we dont have to fish them out

11:22 am NCVOForesight: RT @Localopolis: My question for #evidencebigs is what is the difference

between co-production and citizenship? I wud like 2 hr answer to...

11:22 am commutiny: Panel responses from @kairudat and Nick Seddon of Reform http://ow.ly/2RyEf

(& Chair of DSC http://ow.ly/2RyCI) #evidencebigs

11:23 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs John lewis is a profit making business: stop saying we are

something else and overlaying your expectations on that.

11:23 am sburall: defs are important; John Lewis mustn't be misunderstood; it is a profit making

organisation which is co-owned. #evidencebigs

11:23 am sburall: what does John Lewis model mean for co-producation? #evidencebigs

11:24 am commutiny: One for @tonybovaird RT @Localopolis: Question for #evidencebigs is what is

the difference between co-production and citizenship?

11:24 am tobyblume: Q- what is role of profit in #bigsociety ? >good Q, partic in relation to things like

free schools. Are we signed up to that? #evidencebigs

11:24 am sburall: the issue of scale is a fundamental issue here, as outlined in first presentation

#evidencebigs and is a fundamental challenge

11:24 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs We've discussed scale a few times: scale of ambition; scale of

involvement needed; scale of vol action vs state.

11:25 am annettenaudin: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what


11:25 am sburall: we are dealing with individual and community behaviour change #evidencebigs

11:25 am commutiny: @elric_vh It's one I'm interested in too, if I get you right. I'll put it to John in the

break #EvidenceBigS

11:26 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: 'massive gap in terms of sector readiness to take on new

organisational forms for public service delivery'

11:27 am sburall: what are the social technology apps that might support the #bigsociety?

#evidencebigs

11:27 am CIBSouthandWest: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: 'massive gap in terms of sector

readiness to take on new organisational forms for public service delivery'

11:28 am tobyblume: @kairudat gives #evidencebigs tweeps a mention! :)

11:28 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: 'massive gap in terms of sector


11:28 am commutiny: Mention of new social technologies as a possible enabler - I advise #caution, even

as fully paid-up member of the twitterati #evidencebigs

11:28 am sburall: lots of focus on risk here, now a question about financial risk in relation to

co-production cf @tobyblume qu abt failure risk #evidencebigs

11:28 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q: how do we deal with commissioners concern that vol orgs are

too big a risk for taxpayers cash?

11:29 am sburall: qu noting that faith groups not mentioned yet. #evidencebigs

11:29 am Emma_NCVO: @Emma_NCVO and now I keep getting the hash tag wrong #evidencebigs

11:29 am tobyblume: RT@kanedr: @tobyblume plus how do the "worried well" fit into that - sometimes

we're the worst people to diagnose probs #evidencebigs

11:29 am karlwilding: RT @TimJHughes: @sburall How services are delivered is not necessarily linked

to the outcomes they achieve. #evidencebigs

11:30 am sburall: co-prod is difficult to achieve because of different org cultures . how much harder

if inv priv, civil and pub sectors #evidencebigs

11:30 am sburall: another reflection on risk - who takes the blame if things go wrong. Who sets the

agenda? #evidencebigs

11:30 am commutiny: Any #EvidenceBigS tweeple in attendance & not on this list, let me know and I'll

add you! http://ow.ly/2RyOs

11:31 am tobyblume: Q- who's going to take the blame when things go wrong? #evidencebigs

11:31 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q from audience: when does localism become parochialism?

#bigsociety

11:32 am TimJHughes: #EvidenceBigS sounds fascinating - I wish I was there. Thanks for all the tweet

updates!


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11:32 am sburall: @tonyboviard on risk and blame, this is the reason that co-prod advocates haven't

got very far #evidencebigs

11:33 am RichardHebditch: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q from audience: when does localism become

parochialism? #bigsociety

11:33 am sburall: notes that we aren't clear abt the risks, and not nec removed them by taking them

into public services #evidencebigs says need humility

11:33 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs A: we've had is that we still dont understand risk well enough; giving

VCOs services to run is less a risk than we think

11:33 am sburall: is qu about understanding how risk is increased or decreased rather than absolute

risk #evidencebigs

11:34 am davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: 'massive gap in terms of sector


11:34 am commutiny: Esmee Willcox FRSA has written a great piece for the #FailureFiles about fear of

#failure in public sector, pertinent to #EvidenceBigS

11:34 am tobyblume: Need to be honest about risk...tend to overstate how well we've managed risk.

Don't even truly understand risks. #evidencebigs

11:34 am elric_vh: @commutiny much thanks! #EvidenceBigS

11:35 am sburall: sources of risk determine who the lender to the social enterprise is. 'we should be

investing in the unbankable' #evidencebigs

11:35 am commutiny: I'm beginning to feel that the focus is drifting away from #thirdsector orgs to how

public sector can handle impending changes #evidencebigs

11:35 am sburall: @TimJHughes the threads are beginning to pull together into an interesting picture

#evidencebigs

11:36 am tobyblume: Profit considered less savoury/acceptable than surplus #evidencebigs

#whatsinaname

11:37 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: I'm beginning to feel that the focus is drifting away from

#thirdsector orgs to how public sector can handle impending changes

#evidencebigs

11:37 am sburall: battery dying, going to have to go onto back-up plan for tweeting... #evidencebigs

11:37 am SophiaLooney: .@commutiny sounds like the debate at #lambethcoop and #evidencebigs this

morning is identical from the tweets ....

11:38 am commutiny: Interesting how the #ServiceDelivery theme focuses on co-production and

#socialenterprise, both on edges of trad #thirdsector #evidencebigs

11:38 am bevgibbs: Some great tweets from @sburall at the Big Society Evidence seminar, tagged

#evidencebigs

11:39 am tobyblume: Q on markets....lost me straight away.... #evidencebigs

11:39 am BrookLyndhurst: Slightly jealous of those at #evidencebigs and struggling to 'eavesdrop' via twitter -

keen to hear any hard outcomes.

11:39 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: A: We still dont understand risk well enough; giving VCOs

services to run is less a risk than we think #evidencebigs

11:39 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on 'below the radar' civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly


11:39 am MarkOneinFour: Important questions for #mentalhealth and #bigsociety being raised at

#evidencebigs. Just been in meeting at NMHDU discussing similar! #mhuk

11:40 am sburall: Does turning pub bodies into mutuals lead to better outcomes? #evidencebigs

11:40 am commutiny: @warrenhatter There's no programme link, sadly (they're learning!) Look out for

the writeup & slides on NCVO site soon #EvidenceBigS

11:40 am tobyblume: Q- Any evidence of public service mutuals delivering better outcomes?

#evidencebigs

11:40 am bevgibbs: @kefirlime are you looking at the #evidencebigs tweets, think you'll like them

11:41 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS Bovaird: opportunities for co-production are immense, many

professionals (one third?) want this.

11:42 am commutiny: If you're having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here

http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs

11:42 am tobyblume: @tonybovaird says there should be a person on a bike in every neighbourhood as

comm organizer. >tebbit would like that! #evidencebigs


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11:43 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Scaling up will need far more than 5000 community organisers:

there are 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio

11:43 am sburall: Now moving on to elected members in eel to community organisers. What do they

understand by co-prod #evidencebigs

11:43 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: If you're having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here


11:43 am sburall: No evi known here of impact of mutualisation on outcome #evidencebigs

11:43 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Scaling up will need far more than 5000

community organisers: there are 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio

11:44 am commutiny: @SophiaLooney I hope not! Though there is always a strong pull to discuss

problems, #EvidenceBigS is about evidence base to inform policy

11:44 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: If you're having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here


11:44 am sburall: RT @karlwilding #evidencebigs Scaling up will need more than 5000 community

organisers: 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio

11:44 am sburall: RT @karlwilding RT @commutiny: having trouble following the full twitterstream?

look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs

11:45 am sburall: Evi on mutuals. NHS mutual from Nuffield trust re my last but 2 tweets

#evidencebigs

11:46 am tobyblume: Surrey mutual pct cited as one of v few egs of public mutuals > didn't Maude visit

them the other day? #evidencebigs

11:46 am commutiny: @leashless Heh, 'control group' is gonna be hard for #BigSociety researchers

(tho' I haven't read tweeted refs yet) #EvidenceBigS

11:47 am sburall: Spreading good practice is difficult #evidencebigs

11:48 am sburall: If you want to change ways of doing things; if you like it then it's innovation, if not

then it's risk #evidencebigs

11:49 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs @kairudat just said if something is new and we like it its called

innovation, if we dont like it its called risk

11:49 am tobyblume: If you like it, it's innovation, if you don't like it it's risk! #evidencebigs

11:49 am commutiny: @karlwilding Loads of interest in #EvidenceBigS, is this a good page for folk to

follow? http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk/big-society-evidence

11:49 am Emma_NCVO: If you really like it it's called innovation if you don't it's called risk. Like it.

#evidencebigs

11:49 am sburall: How learn from failure? How increase tolerance to failure? #evidencebigs

11:49 am sburall: Okay, break for lunch in #evidencebigs

11:51 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on 'below the radar' civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly


11:51 am commutiny: Break for lunch now, will hunt down speakers and ask questions from twittersphere

#evidencebigs

11:52 am commutiny: If you like it, its innovation, if you don't like it it's risk! @gloryoffailure would agree!

#evidencebigs

11:59 am Localopolis: RT @Emma_NCVO: If you really like it it's called innovation if you don't it's called

risk. Like it. #evidencebigs < and me!

12:02 pm hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: If you like it, its innovation, if you don't like it it's risk!

@gloryoffailure would agree! #evidencebigs

12:05 pm NCVOevents: RT @elliebrodie Listening to NCVO's deputy CEO introduce a fun-packed day

about the Big Society here at NCVO. Follow us at #EvidenceBigS

12:07 pm commutiny: @jonoread It was just a passing reference, used as an example. Check the story

here http://tescosheringham.blogspot.com/ #EvidenceBigS

12:09 pm NCVOevents: There's bags of informed comment from delegates/speakers #EvidenceBigS

#bigsociety #NCVO http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs

12:20 pm commutiny: A frenzied morning, watch out for the #funding panel this afternoon! #evidencebigs

12:28 pm TimJHughes: RT @commutiny: If you're having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here


12:33 pm TomSprints: RT @commutiny If you like it, its innovation, if you don't like it it's risk!

@gloryoffailure would agree! #evidencebigs Agree!


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12:33 pm commutiny: #EvidenceBigS is not just for eggheads and polywonks you know. Good research

is much more compelling than 'common truths' & assertion

12:39 pm TimJHughes: A thought: Interesting that the status quo is normally thought of as least risky

option. Need to challenge this assumption. #evidencebigs

12:39 pm commutiny: #ThirdSector Resource Centre are a rich source of info for #EvidenceBigS

http://ow.ly/2RAna

12:47 pm kanedr: just about to take notes for the third session at #evidencebigs - so much info so

far, not sure how to get it all on paper!

12:48 pm sburall: we're back up again, looking at funding of the #bigsociety #evidencebigs

12:49 pm tobyblume: RT @SEmagreporter: @tobyblume yes, story of Maude at Central Surrey Health

here http://bit.ly/9iNGxE #evidencebigs

12:49 pm tonybovaird: @commutiny @Localopolis I think co-production is at citizen/state interface,

whereas citizenship also includes self-organising #EvidenceBigS

12:51 pm commutiny: Cathy Pharoah of the Centre for Charitable Giving & Philanthropy begins the

#funding session http://www.cgap.org.uk/ #evidencebigs

12:51 pm sburall: "success in funding is easy to measure" - which makes it such a dangerous

measure of course #evidencebigs

12:51 pm tonybovaird: @tobyblume I somehow never believed the sincerity of this 'green' element of

Norman Tebbitt's philosophy! #EvidenceBigS

12:51 pm tobyblume: Funding focus now at #evidencebigs 'we don't give a lot so there is money to be

had' #growthpotential

12:52 pm sburall: individual giving fell by 11% last year, and legacy giving by 3-4%, trusts income by

7% #evidencebigs so difficult for #bigsociety

12:52 pm commutiny: She's optimistic about the prospects & opportunities for giving, + the ability of

researchers to inform effective philanthropy #evidencebigs

12:52 pm sburall: base of donors is narrowing, fewer better off households giving more...

#evidencebigs wow

12:53 pm Localopolis: @tonybovaird Ok - so co-production is a form of citizenship? Maybe a venn

diagram around the corner? #evidencebigs

12:53 pm sburall: this is Cathy Pharoh from Centre for Charitable Giving by the way #evidencebigs

12:55 pm sburall: evidence around giving picking up falling govt spending - data implies people

won't give where they think govt should do it #evidencebigs

12:55 pm tobyblume: Big society isn't starting on a rising tide of philanthropy. Ppl don't like to give to

causes seen as gov's responsibility #evidencebigs

12:56 pm commutiny: RT @tobyblume: Big society isn't starting on a rising tide of philanthropy. Ppl don't

like to give to causes seen as gov's responsibility #evidencebigs

12:57 pm sburall: In terms of legacy giving and endowments, can be done to build the name and

reputation of entrepreneurs. Need to use this #evidencebigs

12:57 pm Localopolis: Some great debate to follow at #evidencebigs if you are not already...

12:57 pm sburall: thanks for #evidencebigs RTs from @bevgibbs @TimJHughes @commutiny

@karlwilding @davidwilcox @urbanforum

12:58 pm tobyblume: Ideas like social impact bonds show ways to bring new donors into social finance,

but still a small market #evidencebigs

12:58 pm sburall: social finance market is worth £1bn - that's big, wish i knew what that market was...

#evidencebigs

12:59 pm sburall: charitable giving/ social investment markets are relatively inelastic, suggests that

we need to identify new people to give #evidencebigs

12:59 pm commutiny: RT @sburall: evidence around giving picking up falling govt spending - data

implies people won't give where they think govt should do it #evidencebigs

12:59 pm PostFilm: A thought-provoking paper on 'below the radar' civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly


1:00 pm sburall: this requires finding people willing to accept reduced financial returns

#evidencebigs

1:00 pm tobyblume: New Social finance will only work if products appeal to new type of investors

#evidencebigs says Cathy pharaoh

1:01 pm sburall: "Links between membership and donation is extremely strong" <- suggests a

particular organisational form for #bigsociety #evidencebigs


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1:01 pm sburall: tended to focus on individual giving rather than giving within communities - need to

focus on giving circles #evidencebigs

1:01 pm tobyblume: We've tended to overlook membership giving as means to support social action

#evidencebigs >crowd funding?

1:01 pm commutiny: Links between membership and donations are very strong - researchers find out

more about how membership funds civil society #evidencebigs

1:02 pm sburall: in terms of giving circles what about @FundingNetwork ? #evidencebigs

1:02 pm sburall: @karlwilding up now... the issue of funding the VSC isn't a new story

#evidencebigs

1:03 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding says there will never be enough worms for all the vcs chicks

#evidencebigs

1:03 pm sburall: quotes David Carrington - funding for VSC like a mother bringing worms back to

nest, there'll never be enough... #evidencebigs

1:04 pm commutiny: Feelgood message from the #funding session, the situation is probably better

than we think says @karlwilding #evidencebigs

1:04 pm sburall: sector grown quickly but it hasn't been evenly distributed #evidencebigs the long

tail is very long

1:04 pm tobyblume: VCS has grown quickly but still issues of scale. Even biggest charities are small

compared with public sector #evidencebigs

1:04 pm sburall: sector is only worth 2% of govt spending, only the large charities average income

is £19m, #evidencebigs

1:05 pm sburall: given this how can we tip the balance between VSC and state? #evidencebigs

1:06 pm commutiny: Arguments abt tipping the balance between State and #thirdsector should realise

that our biggest orgs are small by comparison #evidencebigs

1:06 pm sburall: mutualising public sector orgs, for example, but foundation sector isn't growing so

they are having to work harder, fund more #evidencebigs

1:07 pm tobyblume: Central gov has been driver of increased funding to vcs. Trusts and foundation

funding fairly static...spreading funds thinner #evidencebigs

1:07 pm commutiny: As the sector has widened (#socent etc), funding bodies now need to support

more operating orgs #evidencebigs

1:07 pm sburall: the debate has partly been about large organisations vs community organisations

#evidencebigs

1:08 pm sburall: do we need larger organisations to be bigger given the scale of the problem, not

smaller as some have said? #evidencebigs

1:09 pm sburall: @karlwilding questioning whether the larger VCS sector is actually more resilient,

esp given how dependent it is on govt £ #evidencebigs

1:09 pm sburall: so, are cuts to sector going to be spread over spending review period or shorter?

big policy question #evidencebigs

1:10 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding 'sector is larger but not more resilient, v little reserves held'

#evidencebigs

1:10 pm sburall: the average size of free reserves is 4 months spending #evidencebigs a reserve

policy is just a piece of paper for most

1:11 pm sburall: money into sector is to deliver services and not the voice - community organising -

activities #evidencebigs

1:12 pm sburall: funding regimes moving to financing regimes based on outcomes. how use this

finance for working capital rather than mortgages? #evidencebigs

1:13 pm sburall: moving to panel questioning speakers now. #evidencebigs

1:13 pm commutiny: RT @sburall: @karlwilding questioning whether the larger VCS sector is actually

more resilient, esp given how dependent it is on govt £ #evidencebigs

1:14 pm tobyblume: Lots of talk about increasing philanthropy...but can't help thinking that last gov

spent shedloads on this with little impact #evidencebigs

1:14 pm sburall: US research; only 2 out of 6 donors are interested in making a difference, rest

irrational in terms of how they give, #evidencebigs

1:15 pm commutiny: RT @buttonurban: Innit. Even the mighty NSPCC's projects are barely the

equivalent of a small LA social services department. #EvidenceBigS

1:15 pm TimJHughes: Are people more willing/likely to engage with more localised rather than national

charities? #evidencebigs


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1:15 pm sburall: we should not assume that small is good, we don't have the evidence to support

this. Local will cost more for eg? #evidencebigs

1:16 pm tobyblume: Challenge to assumption that 'small is beautiful'. #evidencebigs >I still think

Schumacher was right!

1:16 pm tobyblume: RT @TimJHughes: Are people more willing/likely to engage with more localised

rather than national charities? #evidencebigs

1:17 pm sburall: RT @timjhughes Are people more willing to engage with more localised or

national charities? #evidencebigs <-another data gap i suspect

1:17 pm commutiny: Belinda Vernon of New Philanthropy Capital picks up & highlights the challenges of

targeting & scaling http://ow.ly/2RBw9 #EvidenceBigS

1:18 pm sburall: I really am being left with the opinion that new forms of funding will pass most

organisations by #evidencebigs on top of cuts...

1:19 pm tobyblume: People see distinction between charity and public sector...what are risks if we blur

the lines thru #bigsociety ? #evidencebigs

1:20 pm sburall: must focus on being more effective not on being more efficient #evidencebigs <-

back to first speaker though, efficiency easier to measure

1:21 pm sburall: @anthonyzach which was picked up on by Victim support here. #evidencebigs and

is now being picked up, see previous tweet

1:21 pm demsoc: So many fascinating questions coming through from #evidencebigs, wishing I was

there to help answer them

1:21 pm tobyblume: Q - are we witnessing the slow death of grants? #evidencebigs >from charitable

trusts, now way. From the state? Jury's out!

1:22 pm commutiny: Are infrastructure orgs at risk if donors don't get to see beneficiaries 'happy faces'

#evidencebigs

1:22 pm tonybovaird: @Localopolis I see co-producxtion as a FUNCTION of citizens rather than as a

FORM of citizenship - or is that too prissy? #EvidenceBigS

1:22 pm sburall: @karlwilding stop thinking of funding as a zero sum game, bigger orgs doesn't nec

mean less funding #evidencebigs

1:23 pm sburall: @demsoc wishing twitter could capture nuance from here too #evidencebigs

finding it hard to follow, tweet and process

1:24 pm commutiny: Neil Cleeveley of NAVCA wonders if we'll see the slow death of grant funding?

http://ow.ly/2RBH5 #EvidenceBigS

1:24 pm sburall: philanthropy isn't a substitute for govt funding, some will not work, some will; need

to think of it as a rising tide #evidencebigs

1:25 pm sburall: question is how to get into philanthropy networks, they have financial, intellectual

and social capital. what do they want? #evidencebigs

1:26 pm asset_transfer: RT @sburall: philanthropy isn't sub for govt funding, some will not work, some will;

need to think of it as a rising tide #evidencebigs

1:26 pm sburall: questions now @ #evidencebigs funding need not be money, most help 'we' get is

accomm, equip etc

1:26 pm sburall: phasing cuts will mean we can cut infrastructure rather than staff, cuts now means

losing staff #evidencebigs

1:27 pm sburall: how fund VSC to deliver services, but hold them to account for it? #evidencebigs

1:29 pm sburall: will existing funders be the ones that fund this? could be new forms that will fund

#bigsociety. Regulation the problem #evidencebigs

1:30 pm commutiny: @sburall @demsoc That's the nature of the backchannel, sadly. I'm hoping the

TSRC/NCVO team will take this convo further #evidencebigs

1:30 pm sburall: alt forms of financing not nec mean lower returns, as based on lower cost base

than banks #evidencebigs

1:32 pm demsoc: @commutiny I do hope so. Would be interested in moving things on.

#evidencebigs

1:32 pm tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we don't have time to

replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs

1:33 pm sburall: RT @tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we don't

have time to replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs

1:33 pm commutiny: It's good that NCVO want to share this event - it's an internal seminar. They'll be

surprised at interest http://ow.ly/2RC7b #evidencebigs


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1:34 pm sburall: giving assets to VSC can be difficult for elected reps, and smaller orgs can be

more trouble than worth #evidencebigs

1:34 pm commutiny: RT @buttonurban: @commutiny Having the courage to fundraise to strategy, not

adapt strategy to funding is always good. #EvidenceBigS

1:37 pm sburall: we now have a philanthropy ambassador #evidencebigs - do we?!

1:37 pm commutiny: Philanthropy hasn't dropped, despite changes & stresses elsewhere. There are

unexplored opportunities for local philanthropy #evidencebigs

1:38 pm tobyblume: Cath Pharoah says we should be pleased philanthropy hasn't fallen #evidencebigs

>not sure this constitutes success!

1:40 pm commutiny: Radical social & political reform is on the #BigSociety agenda, but sadly not local

economic reform #evidencebigs

1:41 pm sburall: encourage local giving by making people feel that they aren't alone. #evidencebigs

1:41 pm commutiny: Encourage local giving by helping people feel they are not alone, we need to

connect surpluses to under-served areas #evidencebigs

1:42 pm commutiny: You can be local about the services but you can still distribute cash to needy areas

(don't have to be local about the money) #evidencebigs

1:45 pm curiousc: RT @sburall: we now have a philanthropy ambassador #evidencebigs - do we?! <-

am sure this will make all the difference don't be so cynical

1:45 pm commutiny: Plea to funders: stop demanding #new things and support what works (provide

continuation funding & respond to cuts) #evidencebigs

1:47 pm commutiny: Cathy Pharaoah is relentlessly positive about opportunities for developing

philanthropy. Refreshingly upbeat #funding session #evidencebigs

1:48 pm tobyblume: 'won't solve all probs but we need to tap into big bonuses made to bankers'

#evidencebigs >god help us if we nd 2 rely on bankers 2 save us

1:49 pm commutiny: Many references to state of USA funding & philanthropy - @karlwilding thinks our

sector will look more American in 10 years #evidencebigs

1:58 pm ecomodo: RT @sburall: #evidencebigs funding need not be money, most help 'we' get is

accomm, equip < we can help people get equipped to make a diff.

1:59 pm 3rdSectorLeader: TSRC - Publications: #ThirdSector Resource Centre are a rich source of info for

#EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2RAna http://tinyurl.com/28zvlts

2:03 pm FundingNetwork: @sburall Thanks, we agree - we'd love to see more giving circles across the

country! #evidencebigs

2:03 pm sburall: @FundingNetwork @sburall Thanks, we agree - we'd love to see more giving

circles across the country!<- #evidencebigs

2:03 pm alexandrapeters: Oh yes! RT@karlwilding: #evidencebigs @kairudat: if something's new and we like

it its called innovation, if we dont like it its called risk

2:04 pm commutiny: Quick break now for coffee & chat, closing session starts in 5 mins #evidencebigs

2:07 pm TimJHughes: Thanks @commutiny @sburall @tobyblume 4 all your tweets. Recommend

http://bit.ly/8Xoka6 for any1 who hasn't been following #evidencebigs

2:08 pm tobyblume: @sburall 'gaps in our knowledge are becoming clearer. But still have probs of

definitions. Q do gaps matter?' #evidencebigs

2:09 pm commutiny: #EvidenceBigS participating tweeple are on this list http://ow.ly/2RBjF - Follow it to

find out what else they're into

2:09 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amongst all the calls for inreasing participation, we rarely stop to

ask 'participation for what?'

2:10 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are the ones who

irritate those in power the most #bigsociety

2:10 pm tobyblume: Best community organizers are irritating to thosemin power says @sburall >

classic disruptor role! #evidencebigs

2:10 pm sospot: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are

the ones who irritate those in power the most #bigsociety

2:11 pm commutiny: Themes & issues: the age-old problem of definitions, measures of success esp

of engagement & to inform targeted support #evidencebigs

2:12 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs The need to transition from 'here' to the #bigsociety that is 'over

there' is one of the main themes from today's debate

2:13 pm tobyblume: Continuing gap btwn policy rhetoric and reality on the ground...still true with

#bigsociety #evidencebigs


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2:14 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Prof Margaret Harris must be one of the most authorititive speakers

on the vol sector I've ever heard.

2:15 pm commutiny: @tobyblume @karlwilding @sburall For a particular value of best! Sometimes

irritating is simply irritating, not 'best' #EvidenceBigS

2:15 pm tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public reaction to

co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens

2:16 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigS Diana Leat has noted that we have been largely uncynical today. I

find that very interesting.

2:16 pm commutiny: RT @tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public

reaction to co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens

2:18 pm davidwilcox: RT @tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public

reaction to co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens

2:18 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Posed real questions about issues of scale today: even biggest

charities dont seem that big compared to bits of the state

2:19 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs We've also talked quite a bit about the funding gap between

'funding' now and social finance tomorrow?

2:20 pm commutiny: More themes: Need to ensure local does not become parochial, to accept risk &

failure, to better understand hybrid orgs #evidencebigs

2:20 pm tonybovaird: Diana Leat wants to ask Lord Wei - what is universal and guaranteed for individuals

& for third sector as we move into future? #evidencebigS

2:20 pm karlwilding: @NatWei Shame you can't join us today as the panel have a few questions for

you! :-) #evidencebigs

2:20 pm johnpopham: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are

the ones who irritate those in power the most #bigsociety

2:21 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding perhaps tho timeframe doesn't fit as cuts likely to decimate sector

before it's adequately adapted #evidencebigs

2:22 pm commutiny: New from David Billis > Hybrid Organizations & The Third Sector: Challenges For

Practice, Theory And Policy http://ow.ly/2RE7n #evidencebigs

2:23 pm karlwilding: RT @tonybovaird: Diana Leat asks @NatWei: what is universal and guaranteed for

individuals & for VCS as we move into future? #evidencebigS

2:25 pm commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding I like a "disruption plus" approach just in case

our voices get heard. It's why I'm at #EvidenceBigS

2:27 pm tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of the #bigsociety ?

#allinthistogether #evidencebigs

2:27 pm commutiny: If you're missing @natwei this afternoon, check out what he said in the Lords'

debate last week #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2REjc

2:28 pm LucyInnovation: RT @commutiny: Philanthropy hasn't dropped, despite changes & stresses

elsewhere. There are unexplored opportunities for local philanthropy

#evidencebigs

2:29 pm tobyblume: Discussion has taken a detour to donkey sanctuaries...who says the sector lacks

focus? #evidencebigs

2:29 pm karlwilding: RT @tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of

the #bigsociety ? #allinthistogether #evidencebigs

2:30 pm TimJHughes: RT @commutiny: If you're missing @natwei this afternoon, check out what he said

in the Lords' debate last week #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2REjc

2:32 pm davidwilcox: RT@tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of

the #bigsociety ? #evidencebigs < no sense fuels cynicism

2:33 pm tobyblume: Oop, we're back to the donkeys again! Gov can steer without being prescriptive

(not sure how this fits with tho!) #evidencebigs

2:35 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Argued we need to be experimental and imaginative and no need

to worry that its lacks shape and definition

2:37 pm commutiny: @natwei says #thirdsector is "adding variety & humanity to the bedrock of public

services to protect the vulnerable" (16 June) #evidencebigs

2:38 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs We've had a passionate argument that nobody is guiding people

through the #bigsociety debate and current discussions elitist

2:40 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs I've just asked the question from one of our twitter followers about

attitudes of local got members to #bigsociety...

2:41 pm commutiny: Just to be clear, I'm giving links to Lord Wei's published words as he can't be at

#EvidenceBigS > @Nat Wei's Blog http://ow.ly/2RETv


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2:41 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs I've asked the question from one of our twitter followers about

attitudes of local govt members to #bigsociety (w/out typo)

2:43 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just been argued that we need to articulate a clearer role for local

govt, esp members, in #bigsociety.

2:44 pm tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just been argued that we need to articulate a

clearer role for local govt, esp members, in #bigsociety.

2:44 pm commutiny: Where's the appetite in CLG to articulate the role of the state in #BigSociety? It's

not all @natwei's job http://ow.ly/2RF1E #evidencebigs

2:44 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs ...and many #bigsociety followers will know @NatWei blogged

about local govt role y/day: http://bit.ly/9H4mHu

2:44 pm tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising

citizens maybe don't need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs

2:44 pm commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs We've had a passionate argument that nobody is

guiding people through the #bigsociety debate and current discussions elitist

2:46 pm tobyblume: @commutiny @karlwilding worth doing a word cloud of the #evidencebigs stream?

Just an idea....

2:48 pm davidwilcox: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate?

Self-organising citizens maybe don't need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs

2:48 pm commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate?


2:49 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben Kernighan argues

that independent civil society needs to define its own future

2:50 pm karlwilding: RT @tobyblume: @commutiny @karlwilding worth doing a word cloud of the

#evidencebigs stream? Just an idea.... <-yes!

2:51 pm davidwilcox: @tonybovaird #evidencebigs we seem to believe reporters and interpreters are

needed for old politics/society. But not for #bigsociety?

2:51 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding @commutiny thanks and well done. Great #evidencebigs seminar

2:52 pm commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben

Kernighan argues that independent civil society needs to define its own future

2:54 pm PeterWanless: RT @karlwilding @NatWei Shame you can't join us today as the panel have a few

questions for you! :-) #evidencebigs >> bring them tomorrow!

2:54 pm commutiny: That's all, folks. If you want more, get stuck in to http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk

/big-society-evidence or tweet @karlwilding #evidencebigs

3:18 pm homobil: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate?


3:22 pm commutiny: Very well done to the research team @NCVO @elliebrodie @kanedr & Naomi for

organising #EvidenceBigS today - you left us all hungry for more!

3:23 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigS And...that's a wrap! Cheers to everyone who RT'ed and took part

in the conversation. Cheers, Karl

3:48 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben

Kernighan argues that independent civil society needs to define its own future

3:50 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @tobyblume: @karlwilding perhaps tho timeframe doesn't fit as cuts likely to

decimate sector before it's adequately adapted #evidencebigs

3:53 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we don't

have time to replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs

4:08 pm sburall: RT @NatWei #BigSociety activism successful in deprived areas IPPR report

http://bit.ly/cttglN <-no chance to read yet; rel 4 #evidencebigs?

4:11 pm NCVO: RT @commutiny: Very well done to the research team @NCVO @elliebrodie

@kanedr & Naomi for organising #EvidenceBigS today - you left us all hungry for

more!

4:16 pm ChrisPenberthy: Thanks to everyone tweeting from #EvidenceBigS - really interesting to see the

discussions and your thoughts :)

4:57 pm davidwilcox: Takeaway fm #evidencebigs: sense-making narratives needed inc. - 1 abt

co-production in pub services, 1 for pub engagement. Who does that?

5:24 pm kairudat: #bigsociety Great evidence session at NCVO thanks @karlwilding for organising

and @commutiny for event feed #evidencebigs

5:59 pm kanedr: Big message for me from #evidencebigs - power is key to big society, has to be

something for all citizens, not just the shouty ones


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6:01 pm ChrisPenberthy: RT @kanedr: Big message for me from #evidencebigs - power is key to big

society, has to be something for all citizens, not just the shouty ones

6:37 pm davidwilcox: RT @steve4good: @davidwilcox could it be the *new* Big Society Network ? <

steve moore on #bigsociety needs sense-making #evidencebigs. hmm.

8:22 pm YorkCVS: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school

governors.

8:48 pm davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school

governors.

9:26 pm danielratchford: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school

governors.

9:27 pm acareoandy: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school

governors.

9:34 pm PostFilm: thought-provoking paper on 'below the radar' civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly


9:38 pm Ever_Optimistic: What's the source for this? RT @danielratchford: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS

#bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors.

9:52 pm karlwilding: RT @Ever_Optimistic: What's the source for this? RT #evidencebigS 50,000

people in the UK are school governors < @tonybovaird can u help?

October 12, 2010

4:33 am AdurVA: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate?


4:48 am AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Some background on "what creates and sustains active

citizenship" here > Pathways Through #Participation http://ow.ly/2RxvJ

#evidencebigs

5:56 am tobyblume: thnx for #evidencebigs RTs & comments (sorry couldnt keep up!) @Rani_kuk

@easyuk @demsoc @sockbook @fezzthoughts @leashless @SEmagreporter

5:58 am tobyblume: thnx also to @CLEStweet @johnhenghan @timjhughes @dansumners

@gmbmenetwork @homobil @MrDaveConroy @nmcinroy @catherineNW

#evidencebigs

6:02 am tobyblume: stirling effort & good to see @karlwilding @sburall @commutiny @davidwilcox

@kairudat @tonybovaird - really enjoyed #evidencebigs

7:36 am commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding Thanks to for all your great contributions at

#EvidenceBigS yesterday, was widely appreciated.

7:49 am sburall: Carnegie Rural economy report includes analysis of core council services and

thghts abt risk mitigation http://bit.ly/dAnaGH #evidencebigs

7:58 am prestolee: RT @commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding Thanks to for all your great

contributions at #EvidenceBigS yesterday, was widely appreciated.

8:18 am karlwilding: @tobyblume @sburall #EvidenceBigS And thankyou too @commutiny I think we

did well between us!

8:28 am ModernGovernor: RT @danielratchford: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are

school governors.<<school governors ARE #bigsociety

8:32 am RealMGHarris: RT @ModernGovernor: RT @danielratchford: #evidencebigS #bigsociety

350,000 people in the UK are school governors.<<school governors ARE

#bigsociety

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