DAVE PASCOE, MAGNA INTERNATIONAL PERPETUAL MOTION REQUEST

--- On Sat, 7/18/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>Subject: Re: Complete MAGNA International Transformer TestsTo: "Thane C. Heins" <[email protected]>Received: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:11 AM

I called him from Asia.We said we would speak again on Monday.

Dave PascoeMagna Internationaloffice: 905-726-7229Mobile: 289-221-2340e-mail: [email protected]

From: "Thane C. Heins" [[email protected]] Sent: 07/18/2009 06:05 AM MST To: Dave Pascoe Cc: Saverio Panetta <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Complete MAGNA International Transformer Tests

Dear Dave, No kidding, and the whole world will be there in 10 minutes as well [if we built you a [PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE]. The question is does Magna International want to be at the front of the line or at the back of it? Anyway, the efficiency numbers should be taken with a grain of salt because we are not using the best meters nor are they calibrated and university meters tend to be beaten to within an inch of their life. The prototype is not build for efficiency anyway but for proof of concept. So I am not all that interested in the efficiency numbers but does the whole device work as intended (please see flux diagram which will be added to the Magna PPT). We will begin building factory units at Toroid Tech starting next week. I am forwarding this email to Saverio Panetta - President of Toroid Tech who has been sponsoring this technology since day one. Please feel free to contact him at your convenience to ensure that you have all the information you require on an ongoing basis to serve Magna's interests fully.

BTW - Did you happen to speak to Chris Napior or were you still in Asia this past Thursday?

CheersThane Thane C. Heins President - Potential +/- Difference Inc. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhaur

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>Subject: Re: Complete MAGNA International Transformer TestsTo: [email protected]: Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:06 PM

Hi Thane,

I'm not really super interested in transformers, alone, but am interestedin your efficiency numbers.

Please consider putting a motor on the output and a generator on the input.Since the efficiency is so high, there should be excess energy at themotor.

Then make the motor drive the generator and unplug the whole apparatus fromthe wall.....does it still run? (If yes, then I'll be there in 10 minutes.If no, then I'm probably not your customer)

I think that you know what I am asking.

Please let me know.

Kind regards,

Dave PascoeMagna International375 Magna Drive, Aurora, ON, L4G 7L6Telephone: 905-726-7229Fax: 905-726-7286e-mail: [email protected]

Dear Dave, I hope your Asian trip is going well! Please find enclosed the latest Bi-Toroid Transformer test data - showing 74% efficiency for the Conventional E I Transformer and 989% for the Bi-Toroid Transformer. We will be at Toroid Technologies next week - Tuesday and Wednesday most likely. If you would like to meet - please let me know. Thanks Thane

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>Subject: Re: New Primary, Secondary and Test DataTo: "Thane C. Heins" <[email protected]>Received: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:09 AM

Wow.We need to meet.

I'll be in Asia next week.Please call me on the 20th.905-726-7229Thanks,


From: "Thane C. Heins" [[email protected]] Sent: 07/10/2009 09:36 PM MST To: Dave Pascoe Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: New Primary, Secondary and Test Data

Dear Dave, In an effort to try to conform to your data request (in honor of Nikola Tesla's birthday today) - I made a new prototype (please see attachment). While the data should be taken with a grain of salt and the power factor may be open to debate the transformer shows 191% efficiency. Also I should remind you that the primary is just "sitting" on top of the secondary core. If it was firmly secured the input current would decrease and the output voltage across the load would increase so the efficiency would be even higher..

CheersThane Thane C. Heins President - Potential +/- Difference Inc. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhaur

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>Subject: Re: Comprehansive Power Point PresentationTo: [email protected]: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 10:41 PM

Hi Thane,

I am challengine our electronics group to comment on this.

I think that your device is simply more efficient.

Is there any evidence that the output power is greater than the input power? Have you measured this?

Kind regards,


-- On Wed, 7/1/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>Subject: Re: Potential Difference Bi-Toroid TransformerTo: [email protected]: "Jim Kane" <[email protected]>, [email protected]: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:06 AM

Hi Thane,

Our expert, Jim Kane has been swamped to date. Our corporate office is on vacation this week and so is Jim. He should be able to take a look at your video, next week.

From myself, a non-expert in this area, it appears to me that you are trying to demonstrate "free energy". Is that correct? With a 90 degree (zero) power factor on the input that means zero energy in. And a 0 degree (one) power factor on the output means real energy is transferred. Can you list the absolute value of the current and voltage on the input and on the output of your device during the video demonstration and send this to me?

Kind regards,


Dear Dave,

I hope all is well? Your Magna power factor expert may find this of interest since it can have immediate and wide ranging applications and is scaleable. Please find below a link to our Bi-Toroid Transformer Technology, where the primary coil uses ONLY reactive power (power factor = 0) and delivers REAL power (power factor = 1) to the load. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_yGELmhV4&feature=channel_page

Best regards

Thane

Thane C. Heins President - Potential +/- Difference Inc. "Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything."

- George Bernard Shaw

From: Dan Donovan To: Kim Cunningham Sent: Wed May 27 12:54:30 2009Subject: FW: Dave-check this out-Dan Donovan hi Kim and Thane Thane-please read my email trail -responses since we spoke earlier today re Magna. Can you call Jim Kane to discuss. The key thing with Jim is to be patient with him if he is pulling up the same old presumptions - be specific in addressing his specific questions-and don't let him make assumptions- keep in mind our goal is to get him to come to UOTTAWA lab. please call me after you speak with him best regardsDan

-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:42 AMTo: [email protected]: Jim KaneSubject: RE: Dave-check this out-Dan Donovan

Thane,

You are good. I had better let Jim Kane discuss this with you. He is our expert.

Can you try him at 248-606-0606, ext 303. alternate mobile: 248-875-5437

Kind regards,


----- Original Message -----From: "Dan Donovan" [[email protected]]Sent: 05/27/2009 10:44 AM ASTTo: Dave PascoeSubject: RE: Dave-check this out-Dan Donovan

hi Dave .........and Jim

Thanks for the follow up. The challenge is that the assessment is based on a false premise because we are measuring increase in power across a purely resistive load which has a power factor of one. (You can't correct beyond a power factor of one). Power factor is not an issue.

The power factor of the load is always transferred back to the coils-so if the load has a power factor of one, the coils have a power factor of one-they have to match!!!

Thane has a proto type that uses a DC motor and he can show that he can accelerate the DC motor that has a 10 pound rotor but at the same time the current to the DC motor will go down. In other words, the acceleration is coming from the coils.

(It is not possible to accelerate a DC motor unless you increase the power -we can do this by infinitely loading (shorting out) the coil.

so.......thoughts?-- in my view it is worth a quick trip to Ottawa to the lab at UOttawa to see this. As you know there is nothing like a real time lab demo.

best regardsDan

-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:08 PMTo: Dan DonovanSubject: Re: Dave-check this out-Dan Donovan

Hi Dan,

I spoke to our electronics expert (Director level in the Electronics Group), Jim Kane.

It appears to him and to me that a power factor correction is happening with the addition of the high voltage coils.

This means that energy is not being created, but the generator can run at higher efficiency and so it speeds up because the efficiency losses are not so severe.

Jim currently does power corrections electronically and so does not see a benefit for our products.

I have only a mechanical engineer's knowledge in this area, and so will rely on Jim's assessment.

I hope that this is useful.

Kind regards,


----- Original Message -----From: "Dan Donovan" [[email protected]]Sent: 05/20/2009 07:08 PM ASTTo: Dave PascoeSubject: Dave-check this out-Dan Donovan

hi Dave--hope all is well.

Wil what do you think of this. My colleague Thane and I were at MIT and theywere blown away by this. NRG-FX Inc (my company) is commercializing thisquite incredible battery technology breakthrough.

Bascially it is a regenerating generator. With this technology you could go800km on one charge because the unit is a Regenerative AccelerationGenerator. There is a brief PowerPoint and then you can see our demo on ouryoutube demo site.It has multiple commercial applications and I thought itwas a perfect fit in the auto sector.

Please go to this website to see it. www.youtube.com/user/thanecheins forreal-time demo.

What do you think?

bests regardsDan Donovanwww.nrg-fx.com