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Living Energy Secrets Teleseminar Season 5 Bridging the Gap for Ultimate Healing Mahendra Kumar Trivedi, Debra Poneman and Debra Thompson Prepare Yourself for Miracles Debra Thompson: Welcome, everyone. This is Deb Thompson with Living Energy Secrets

Teleseminar, and we are in Season 5, and that’s just so exciting – been at this for over two years now. And of course, I am glad to welcome everyone who is listening on the call, who is on the webcast and, of course, all of the replay listeners.

So, without further ado, I am going to go ahead and introduce Guruji Mahendra Trivedi, and then we’re going to have a little bit of an intro from Debra Poneman, who is the founding President of the Trivedi Foundation, who’s got a few things that she’d like to say today.

So Mahendra Kumar Trivedi, his abilities go far beyond healing and into the

realm of real transformation. And I know you’ve all had a chance to read some of the amazing things that are there in his bio, and as I had just been talking about just a little bit before we started in, he is in a realm of energy work that most people are not at and that most people don’t really get to.

He really has very special gifts and abilities that we are grateful that he is using for the best in the world. Anywhere that he is needed, anywhere that people are interested in having him bring his energy transmissions, he is very grateful and thankful to be able to do that because this is his mission.

Mr. Trivedi’s energy transmissions have been the subject of over 4,000 scientific

studies at leading research institutes on six continents. These in-person or long-distance energy transmissions have brought about physical and psychological health improvements in tens of thousands of individuals such as those with chronic pain, debilitating arthritis, as many of you are aware of, food sensitivities, chronic symptoms, syndromes, even I know he’s talked about before infertility issues, and we’re gonna hear a little bit about that because we’re gonna be talking about some of the things that he’s affected, even into things psychological – low self-esteem, depression.

And just from listening to Dr. Trivedi’s voice during his talks, people from all over

the world have reported feeling profound effects, including waves of great happiness and peace. And I can imagine that that’s wonderful. But also with us today from the Trivedi Foundation is Debra Poneman.

Debra, who is a best-selling author, transformational leader in her own right, and founder of “Yes to Success” seminars has been working with the Trivedi Foundation for the past – oh, I guess three years now. And Mr. Trivedi has asked that we begin today’s interview by speaking with Debra for just a few minutes so that she can share a little bit about Mr. Trivedi and about the foundation and about how she came to be working with Guruji Trivedi.

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So with that, Debra, welcome so much to Living Energy Secrets. Debra Poneman: Thank you, and I would just like to defer to Mr. Trivedi for a second. I know he

likes to just greet the people before we start our conversation. Debra: Well, thank you! Poneman: Guruji, would you like to say “hello”? Mahendra Kumar Trivedi: Yeah, Debra, thank you very much. I came here to this country in 2009 in the

month of March, and with the grace of God, I met Debra Poneman and her husband, Mr. Fred Poneman. And since that time, they are our advisors. [Laughter]

Poneman: Guruji’s laughing because I advise him too much.

Guruji: And they are teaching me several areas regarding their culture in the Western world, and Debra’s my English teacher. So when I came to this country, my English was very poor. Still it is not quite satisfactory. But yes, I have now the ability to convey the message to the world and to understand what they wanted to speak, what they wanted to say.

I think that, yes, we are enjoying a journey of consciousness, of transformation, how we can help in a very appreciative manner to the world and to the people. And today I am here on this call, so thank you very much all the participants, and hopefully you will enjoy very much this call, lots of new information.

Most of the time you will see something beyond your imagination. What I am doing that is beyond the understanding of so many Nobel Prize winner scientists, right. I’ve met very top scientists on this planet, and we will talk about all these things – that I’m very practical man, very skeptical since my childhood.

Still, I am very skeptical. That is in my character. That’s into my genes. So ‘til I will be here on this planet, I will be skeptical. So I’m handing over this phone to my advisor and English teacher, yeah, Ms. Debra Poneman. So please, welcome, and you keep [inaudible]. [Laughter]

Debra: Thank you. And I want to tell you how much that I personally appreciate that you have gone to all the trouble to learn English – and I know that you’re even learning some other things – to be able to give all of this information and to be a help to people that are in the English-speaking world. That is an amazing thing, because most English speakers don’t speak other languages.

Poneman: Yeah.

Debra: So thank you.

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Guruji: Yeah, thank you very much. And I’m announcing Debra, please.

Poneman: Well, Deb, would you like me to just say a little bit about how I came to be working with Mr. Trivedi?

Debra: Absolutely! I would love to know that because I know it was an interesting background. Talk about skeptical.

Poneman: Yes, well, I love to tell this story because I – not being a skeptical kind of a person – many decades ago I actually became a teacher of the Transcendental Meditation Program. I spent many, many, many years with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi teaching TM around the country and with him around the world.

And since that time, which was the early ‘70s, I became very fascinated with spiritual masters and with the whole world of healing and people who had abilities that were beyond the normal everyday abilities that most human beings have.

But because I had spent so many decades at the feet of some of the greatest masters – not only Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, but many, many others – I felt very settled and satisfied in my own personal spiritual journey. And when my dear friends, Chris and Janet Atwood, New York Times best-selling authors of The Passion Test, when they called me – Janet has been one of my best friends also for decades.

She called and said, “There’s this man who has come to the U.S. and his name is Guruji, and he has some extraordinary abilities,” and my first reaction was, “Thanks, but no thanks, because I have – I feel like I have met all of the greatest gurujis on the planet.”

And you know “guruji” simply means – “guru” is teacher, and “ji” is a sign of respect. So it just even uplifts, enhances and says an even greater – a great teacher, a divine teacher, a respected teacher. So I said, “I’ve met so many gurujis, and I’m really not interested in meeting another person named guruji.”

And then Chris Atwood said to my husband and myself, “Well, this gentleman is different because he has gone into the scientific laboratory and verified that he is not some” – you know, there’s so many people in India on every corner. They say they do blessings, they do healings, they do transformation, but because they have the long robes and the long hair, people line up and then they feel like they’ve gotten something. But really, could it be verified objectively in a scientific laboratory? And the answer is probably not.

And yet, this gentleman was not willing to use his abilities for one more person until he could be separated from those people on every street corner and have his abilities verified. Not that he needed to have his abilities verified; it was so obvious, but these people who were lining up, they were lining up for everybody.

And the most amazing part is that research was done on six continents, on some of the finest research institutes in the world. And not only did they find that Mr. Trivedi has the ability to transform the health of humans and animals and plants

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and to affect viruses and bacteria, but even inanimate objects like metal, ceramics, polymers on the atomic level.

So when we saw that research, and when he was gracious enough to allow us to have some of our friends receive one of his energy transmissions – or we also call them “blessings” because they’re so much more than healings because it’s total transformation, not just on the physical level, but people experience changes in their relationships and their spiritual life and their finances.

So it’s not just a healing like for some headache or something like that, although those tend to go away. But it’s so much more. But anyway, so the bottom line is that he was gracious enough to allow me to have some people come over and receive these energy transmissions or blessings, and I had never, ever in all of these years that I have seen – you don’t know how many healers and energy workers I’ve come in contact with – I’d never seen results like this, and that was enough for me.

I just said, “Okay, I am committing myself to furthering the ability for Mr. Trivedi to reach as many people as possible.” And not only is he reaching humans, but really changing the face of agriculture and for animals and in so many different arenas of life. So it’s just been a real honor. And yes, it has been almost – it’s going to be three years in April, so – and it’s been an absolute honor to work for the foundation.

Debra: Wow! That’s wonderful. Thank you for all that background information. But we talked a little bit before about how it is possible with human beings to account for a lot of changes because of what they believe inside about themselves and about their body and their situation.

And so there is this tendency to say, “Oh, well, you know, people yeah, they might have felt something. Yeah, that might have happened, but it might have happened with anybody who had done this,” like you said. But we talked about that is not the case with plants, animals and inanimate objects. What of the studies was really impressive to you as far as this is not the placebo effect?

Poneman: Well, there have been so many, like for example – I think actually one of the studies that was the most impressive to me personally was when Mr. Trivedi, also called Guruji, blessed land. He blessed 106 acres of land where several months later 9,000 cashew saplings were planted on this land that he had blessed, and when these cashew saplings came to be grown trees and started to bear fruit, not only was the fruit more nutritious – the cashews more nutritious – not only were they more abundant – instead of 3 or 4 in a clump, there were 10, 12, 14 in a clump – but also these cashews were – they were resistant to fungus, bacteria. There was no need for pesticides or fungicides or bactericides or fertilizers or organic or inorganic chemicals.

I mean, I don’t know if you know this, but the cashews that you eat from the grocery store have been sprayed seven times during the fruiting season just so they won’t have bacteria and fungus. Yet, one blessing of the land – now can we account for this being the placebo effect? It can’t be. And it wasn’t even that he blessed the trees; he blessed the land where the trees were then planted.

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And what’s more – and this is very exciting for humans – is that it was for subsequent generations there was still a greater yield and a higher nutritional value, and the cashews are still generations later resistant to pest attacks and fungus and bacteria.

And just extrapolate for yourself, I have seen people whose immunity has so remarkably increased, and you can see that again with – and I’ll just say one other area of research that was extremely impressive to me was when Guruji blessed long-distance – you have to follow this – long-distance he blessed water that was then given to chickens on a chicken farm.

They divided these chickens into the control group and to the group that drank the blessed water. So he blesses the water; he’s in the U.S., blesses the water in India, and the chickens who drank the treated water had higher weight gain, less foot intake. The meat was not only 15 percent increased, but the EEF, which is the measure of profitability from these chickens, over a 10 percent increase.

But one of the things that was amazing, one of the problems with poultry farming is that the excrement is so highly odiferous that it’s really – it’s horrible. I used to live in Iowa, so I know. I would know!

Debra: We’re in chicken farming country. Yes, we know.

Poneman: You are, too.

Debra: Yes!

Poneman: And almost negligible odor. Now, this is from these chickens. The other chickens, I think it was like over 20 rounds of drugs and antibiotics to keep them from getting disease and to increase the weight and the edible meat. Our chickens just drank the water and ate just normal food. So again, did the chickens know that they’re drinking blessed water? No, so that’s why we can rule out the placebo effect.

Debra: And I’m not discounting that at all, and I know you’re not, because that – when the placebo effect really does work for people, that is total proof that their mind and their belief system and their energy is very powerful, and they can affect their own bodies and their own lives. So I’m not against that, but at least as far as what we’re talking about, we’re talking about the difference between the energy that Guruji has versus what some other people might say that they’re able to work with.

Poneman: Right, exactly. And if somebody gets better from believing that they’re going to get better, you know, more power to them. What is great about the blessings that people receivedfrom Guruji is they could be skeptical, and they will still receive the benefits. That’s the beauty, one of the beauties of what he does.

Debra: That’s good. Well, just before we talk to Guruji directly, I just wanted to ask a question that we had been asked by some of our listeners and some other people that we had been talking about Mr. Trivedi with, is they had said that they

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had looked for some of his studies to be in the different journals, and I know that you and I had talked about that, because there are so many, and they couldn’t find them in the journals. Could you address that?

Poneman: Yes, well, you know, the best thing to do would be to go onto our website because we have all of the scientific research, and we have the links to the different research that was done. So on our website, especially under our “Scientific Research” tab, we have the research done not only on Mr. Trivedi’s unique physiology, but also on human wellness, on genetics, on science, microbiology, agriculture – it’s all there and all over the links.

Debra: And is it rather – do you find it from a professional standpoint – and I know that Guruji also is a mechanical engineer. He has an exceptional amount of science training himself. Is it becoming difficult, do you think, to get some of these results actually printed in the regular journals?

Poneman: Oh, I think I’m gonna let Guruji… (Laughs).

Debra: Okay. Well, good. Then excellent! Is there anything else that you had to say to us?

Poneman: No. Well, I’ll be here the whole time, so anytime you want to ask me anything, I’ll be here. But as you mentioned in the introduction, even though on this call Guruji is not going to be giving the people an energy transmission or blessing, but just from hearing his voice people have reported that they feel like energy in their physiology. And people have even reported spontaneous results just from hearing his voice. So I think people are probably saying, “Okay, Debra, that’s enough from you. Let’s hear from Guruji now.”

Debra: You’re right. You’re right about that. So let’s go ahead. And Guruji, are you still with us?

Guruji: Yeah.

Debra: Excellent! Thank you for sitting so patiently listening to us ladies talk about you.

Guruji: (Laughs)

Debra: Well, I would really love to hear a little bit from you, Guruji, because we have brand new listeners to Living Energy Secrets. We have a lot of different things that we have been working on, and so there are people who have probably never heard you speak before. So if you could just give us a little bit – I know that you realized that you had these abilities from your youth, and just a little bit of the high points of how you came to do what you’re doing today.

Guruji: Oh, very nice. Thank you very much.

Debra: Thank you.

Guruji: So thank you very much all the listeners who are here. I’m just giving you the journey of the master, right? Okay?

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Debra: Mm-hmm.

Guruji: Yeah [inaudible]. I was born in a very poor family in the central part of India. So I’m the eldest one – oldest one in the family. After me one brother; after him two more sisters. So this is the family structure. My father, he was a great teacher, and my mother, housewife. Lacked no education.

And after six years of age, I found like there’s no chemistry between me and rest of five members – three brothers and sisters and two parents. So there was no chemistry between me and rest of the people.

So you can understand that if somebody is living in a house where there’s no chemistry always, all the time I was feeling that just my parents, they have stolen me from somewhere else. That was the situation all the time.

And at the age of six, I started enjoying plants. Plants as a state are very difficult to define within 40 minutes, it takes more time. But definitely, I can feel like if I can just answer like what is the difference between $1,000.00 and $1 million? Then you can understand, right? If no one tells a lot of [inaudible] what.

Deepest state of meditation. People, they’re going to the meditation and then all going – then over there they reach to the state where there are no thoughts- thoughtlessness, speechless. That is called the deepest state of meditation.

And trance is at least billion times higher than this state, and this state according to neurophysiology is very close to impossible phenomenon that you pass the state of meditation. Anyhow, when I was 12 years of age, and my position, ideas, attitude very different from the people of 12 years of age of children – boys and girls.

I was very comfortable, very natural, very comfortable with the people more than 45 years of age, and I was not enjoying the childishness like immature talks – very mature talk, sensible. Right? No wasting of time. Everything should be practical.

I don’t like hypotheses, useless ideas. Right? If you do anything in your life, if you do meditation or yoga or any kind of effect or art or painting, whatever, or dance or music, that art that you’re doing this must have the ability to bring the happiness in your life. If that art or you’re doing this is not competent, it’s not able to bring the happiness in your life, it’s bogus – useless from my point of view.

You may enjoy [inaudible] art which is not useful. But I never did in my life, am not doing, will not do, and I don’t teach anybody. Right? To do that kind of action. So anyhow, then I did my bachelor’s degree in engineering, and then I started doing job here and there because I was from a poor family background.

My parents did not have lots of money like for business or any of that things, so I had no option to go and search for a job. To get the job, it was very easy for me, right, because my intelligence was very high. I was born with photographic memory.

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But no job was able to give me the satisfaction. Just within a day, I was coming one time to the conclusion that this is not for me. I’m not born for this purpose. So what is for me? That was the biggest confusion. What is for me? I don’t know what’s for me, but this is not my future.

So I was in job for two months, jobless for another six months, again with a different job for three months, again jobless for another six, seven months – that kind of situation. Then in India, people just said, “Okay, now I think you are alone or single all the time, so that’s why you are not stable like.”

Give him more responsibilities for the Indian society – that culture, they say, “Okay, you allow him – you just force him to marry a girl, then she is a responsibility.” Oh, my goodness! I have my wife and nearly after two years I have unborn child, so now I am a father. I am not a single slacky boy going here and there. I must behave like a father, like a husband and more responsible. Then he’s not going to leave the jobs all the time. He will be –

Debra: He will just need to do that.

Guruji: -- in some stable job.

Debra: Right.

Guruji: I did my marriage. Very good relationship with my wife. So I enjoyed that married relationship. I enjoyed sex and everything, but again dissatisfaction in the life. It’s so important for the human’s life, the satisfaction in your life. And that satisfaction I was missing. Again, I was searching the truth, the reality, what is my life purpose?

And in 1995, when I was sleeping in a trancelike state, I was gifted with this power. My gift was little different from so many [inaudible] and other people. Their description is that they were sleeping and suddenly the house was full of some kind of unique smell, which they cannot describe.

The house was, their room, the bedroom was full of white light which they cannot describe, and that light started condensing and converted into some deity or angel. And that deity or angel told them that, “Yes, now I’m going on vacation or on honeymoon; please you take care of the world.” Right? This never happened in my life, and this is one won’t happen. I’m not going to come into this journey. Right?

Debra: Right.

Guruji: I don’t like these type of ideas. I’m very skeptical. If some deity will come in the night or some angel will come in the night, say, “I’m going on vacation or honeymoon, so you take care of this job,” I will not accept that.

I don’t like the dreams like during day or night. I don’t like any angel to disturb my sleep in the night. If you are really an angel from any planet, you come during daytime; we will enjoy lunch and dinner or maybe sex, right. That’s it. Very practical, no-nonsense – I’m very skeptical. [Laughing - Inaudible]

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Debra: Yep, there you go.

Guruji: So that was my journey, like in the state of my super-consciousness. I issue the transformation, like this is the time for my action, my calling, and I have to be out of sentiments from family and friends and all of that things because I have to take care of a big responsibility on this planet.

I have to play my role decided by the creator, God, universe, universal energy. And I have to do my job. I followed that same, and after that all the time I’m getting this information in my conscious brain – super-consciousness – state of the super-consciousness like, “Yeah, what is next?

“What is the future of this planet? What is the future of the countries? What is my future? What is my role? What is the role of others?” This type of information. I’m not getting some kind of information that some deity’s coming and telling me something in the ears and all those things. Might be true for others, but not for me. This is my…

I’m going through all these things. So I started blessing the people in India. We don’t use that term “energy transmission” because it is very disrespectful term in that country. This is the most appropriate term in the arena of science like. They don’t like the blessing and all these things and deities and angels.

They are very skeptical people. They like just energy transmission. Everything is energy. The smallest known particle in this universe is atom, and they learned what is atom. It is a form of energy. So they just differentiate or they just describe the whole universe – it is composed of energy and mass.

And mass is also energy; that’s a very simple thing. So I started doing the blessing on the people, and I got their feedback, and they reported that after this blessing their life transformed at every level.

At the level of physical body, mental, emotional, psychological, sexual, and finally they feel connected with the universe or the god of their understanding – whoever, whatever. But then in 2000, I started thinking that what I’m doing, what other people, they are doing? Then I found that just in one country like India there are millions and millions of the spiritual masters and religious masters. What they are doing?

They are trying to transform the life of the humans for better purposes or higher purposes with the help of blessing. And this blessing, according to them, it comes through deities, angels and God. Right?

Debra: Right.

Guruji: I met several other people who were claiming that they are the top healers on this planet. And there are different models of healings: Reiki, Tai Chi, Qigong, healing with the help of crystals and dance and music, transfer effects, and cosmic healing and energy healing and maybe hundreds of other ideas. Right?

Debra: Right.

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Guruji: But they are healers. That second category. The last category: transformation leaders who talks about the consciousness, who deliver their discourses, who teach to eat the organic food, sleep early, wake up early, get more oxygen, do regular exercise, go in the gym, go for walking, jumping and all these things, and laughing – there are laughter class also. They deliver their discourse, and they inspire that people to listen their ideas, their hypothesis, right?

And then I found that what all these different people, they are doing. Their objective is very close to each other, very similar. How we can transform the life of the human? They suggest meditation. They suggest yoga. They suggest other things. If there’s any confusion, they are good counselors. Right? But ultimately, all of them, their common objective, like they are not self-centered people. Their consciousness much higher than any average person on this planet are these three leaders.

And the objectives came that somehow we needed to transform the life of the humans. Right? But because I’m very skeptical, I started thinking that what I’m doing, I’m also doing the same. But I’m using some unknown energy which transmits through my thoughts on this globe from one corner to another. I started thinking with a question mark, “If this energy is real, why it is limited to humans?”

If this energy has the ability to transform the life of the human, this energy must have the ability to transform the life of plants and trees and bacteria and viruses and fungi and all types of animals. And definitely it should do more [inaudible] and should make more efficient all matters and ceramics and polymers and chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs.

Debra: Yes, it’s all energy.

Guruji: So I started thinking, “Oh, my goodness! I should go into the science.” Who will justify that this energy is there? First of all, I need a justification for myself – that this energy is real or it is part of the placebo effect.

If I’m going to do any experiment on human, it is part a placebo effect. If I show any miracle, part of placebo effect. So I should show that impact in the area of agriculture. So we met several vice chancellors in [inaudible] universities.

I did this energy transmission blessing hundreds of acres of land, thousands of trees at a time, all types of crops like fruits and nuts and vegetables and grains, and then finally we did the experiment in the laboratory in the microbiology section to see the effect of this energy on bacteria, viruses, fungi and the viruses like HIV, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C and Herpes virus done in a laboratory that’s very strict controlled conditions. And that laboratory is actually detailed by American Association of Pathologists to the most authentic and very difficult accreditation on this planet. Right?

You know, like how they have just two handful labs which have this type of accreditation. So we did hundreds and hundreds of experiments over there, and we found that this energy has the ability to kill all these viruses, right, up to 99.81 percent. We didn’t defeat [inaudible], right. Then we did lots of experiments on animals, and then finally I entered into the cancer cells, so I blessed the cancer

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cells, endometrium and prostate, and we converted cancerous cells into noncancerous cells.

Then we did more than 3,000 experiments on metals and ceramics and polymers and at minus 270 degrees Celsius temperature, and plus side 100, 200, 500 – up to 1,000 degrees Celsius temperature so that we can prove the authenticity of this energy – that it is not just you cool or you heat up very high and this energy disappears.

This energy has permanent changes and permanent transformation. It has no meaning if you heat the item or if you cool it. And this energy, in some ways we can say we’ve found that this energy has the ability to change the structure of the atom. This is beyond the understanding of current science.

Debra: I would think so!

Guruji: Yeah, yeah. Finally, in 2009, I came to America, and based on over 4,000 experiments we got 6 publications on this planet. S there’s four publications that are in the U.S., and one publication that is in the U.K., and the last publication that is in India.

And we are joining, we are attending the conferences. Like on 26th of September, 2011, I’m going to Hawaii to present a paper. So I’m one of the presenters, one of the speakers over there. I’m presenting my research on a mango project in India.

Debra: Oh! What conference is this, so people would know?

Guruji: It’s agriculture – international – it’s some kind of international conference related to agriculture and [inaudible]. I do not have – except idea like three or four months back, science department, they figured they’d send that research to them and they were highly excited, and they gave us this opportunity. So I’m going over there. Scientists from all over the world, they are coming over there.

Debra: Excellent!

Guruji: Yeah. All six publications, they are available on our website. If you get one publication on this planet, means your hypothesis or your experiment or your research or your whatever, the technology has been accepted by the International Community of Scientists. Right? You have not to do twenty…

Debra: Excellent! Which publication?

Guruji: Okay. On the website you just click the publication section. You will get six papers that have been published. So one paper has been published in the Bannister Journal. Right? Bannister is U.S., and three is bulletin on material science that this energy has the ability to change the structure of the atom and that is related on diamond and graphite and coal and maybe some more materials, but definitely these materials, right.

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And another three, they are based on the effect of this energy on infectious bacteria, the bacteria who are harmful. So the harmful bacteria for the human health. So there are three more publications, right, on ability for bacterias to feel the impact of this energy. And one –

Debra: And when you did the energy transmission on these bacteria, were you changing them or eliminating them?

Guruji: Yeah. This happens. Both. That depends on the intention. Like, how I am helping the science, it will feel like in the 19th century, like the first antibiotics that came into the market, and after 20–40 years, the antibiotics were not effective and were not useful.

So the science and scientists, they came up with the second generation antibiotics, and then after 20 years that was useless and they came up with the third generation antibiotics, after some time fourth generation antibiotics and fifth generation antibiotics.

So now for most of the infectious disease nowadays the doctors, they are using the fifth generation antibiotics. And even the last several bacteria which you cannot kill in the humans body with the help of this fifth generation antibiotic, which is very powerful chemicals, and those bacteria now they are in the category of “super-bugs.”

So science has nothing to do. Science has nothing to do because bacteria is getting more and more resistant, more and more powerful, more and more powerful every year. So the sciences have started hitting the last wall because fifth generation antibiotic drug is very powerful and the patients and the people who are taking these antibiotics for 10–15 days clearly, due to the side effects, they struggle for another 3–6 months period of time. It’s a very big [inaudible] in a human’s life.

Life is very short on this planet. Right? So how I help the science, I bless those bacteria, very powerful, fifth generation of the bacteria who are responding just for this fifth generation, and they became very mild. They started responding for very mild drugs like we were using 40 years back.

Yeah. So I’m giving the idea to the science like years in future we can come up with the energy medicine so a small amount of chemicals and more amount of this energy and the combination of both and we can kill the bacteria in the human’s body. So we are doing that kind of research.

We did that, and we are committed. We are doing in future also. So that is the whole science of it, but when I came over here, I did lots of research in America also with one of the institutes in the U.S. The scientists, they give me in one plate the six samples of brain cancerous cells, another six samples of healthy brain cells and covered by a glass cover.

And I blessed from a little distance away from that, and the scientists, they found that the energy was able to kill the cancerous cells and the energy was able to boost the life of the healthy cells.

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So the scientists, they showed us a report after three months of investigation research, and they are talking like this is a kind of holograph. This the energy with intelligence.

Debra: A hologram – okay.

Guruji: All the energy known to the science – that heat energy, [inaudible] energy, light energy, optical energy, electrical energy, mechanical or magnetic energy, electromagnetic energy, all these energies; they are very powerful, but unfortunately they do not have intelligence. The energy I’m using, this energy has intelligence.

It knows how to behave with the cancer cells and how to behave with the healthy cells. So difference on the intention. Like in India, I did the impact on the cancer cells, and they were converted into healthy cells. Here the scientists, their desire was you need to kill the cancer cells and give life to the healthy cells.

We needed to prove that this energy has intelligence also. So depends on the need of the science and scientists, and this energy does that job. That’s why when I bless the people with the help of this energy transmission, I give the instructions to the people, “Please close your eyes. Start your prayer to the god of your understanding, and whatever you need from your god, you need to request and most of the time you will get it.” And that is the beauty of this energy: people, they are getting it.

We don’t teach that this is the god; you need it to follow me. No, you have to follow your inner guidance system. You have to follow your inner voice. You have to follow your heart. You should not follow anybody else, including myself. Follow yourself.

So I started thinking that, why the people on this planet, they are unhappy; they are under sadness – why? They are struggling with lots of diseases, physical and mental and emotional and psychological. They have lots of problems in terms of sexual relationship or the problems related to menstrual cycle disorders, problems related to orgasm, problems related to not reaching on the climax, problems related to relationship – I ask why?

So I came on the conclusion that if the people when they wake up in the morning – the majority of the people on this planet – one of things: their sleep is not restful, or the energy is very low.

They are mentally confused. They don’t know what to do, what not to do. They have fear from the future. They are under stress, anxiety, depression, sadness, hopelessness. All these smallest of problems. And all these problems together, they are giving them very, very miserable life. What are the reasons? Medicine and other things, they are good, but not a perfect solution.

So what – why we need to take the medicine? Why it is necessary for us? Is there anyway we are without medicine we can enjoy a good life? So I came on the final conclusion that the problem that people – they don’t know what is their life purpose.

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Why we are here on this planet? What I have to do; what I have not to do? That is the only biggest problem. Who will tell me that what is my future path? Which direction I have to go?

What job I have to choose? What business I have to choose? Why I am not successful? Why I’m getting lots of hurdles? Why I’m not enjoying my work? Whatever! All this. Who will tell me what is my future? I have people, they go to the healers and counselors and clairvoyants and spiritual masters and transformational leaders, and mostly people they go more, they are more confused. If they go less, they are less confused. Right?

This is my observation. So the coming conclusion that I’m giving the analogy like you have a car, and the car has a GPS inner guidance system. And somehow if you don’t know how to operate that GPS, or if GPS is not functioning, now you are going – you are traveling, right? You are doing one journey from one place to another. Might be 200 miles, 500 miles, 1,000 miles – whatever. Now you are directionless. Which direction I have to go? You know the destination, but you don’t know the direction.

So they drive the car north or south or east or west – god knows. So very difficult. That time, what are you doing? You are pulling your car towards gas station and trying to get the information. Sometimes you get the right information; sometimes you get confused. And suppose they have given the instruction, “Okay, you go on the freeway and drive 12 miles. Then some exit will come.” So and so 32B, suppose.

Now lots of exits they are coming. All the time you are under stress, “Why should only this exit? Oh, my goodness! I lost it! I missed it!” And again, you are taking U-turn and going and how to come on the freeway and how to again get the 32B exit.

The journey is full of stress, anxiety, might be depression, high, high level of frustration and tiredness. On the contrary, if your GPS is functioning properly and you know how to operate that GPS, how to get the information about the future path, then the journey is so easy.

You will get that information from GPS: “Turn your car right, go on this freeway. You have to go 80 miles on the freeway. Okay, now your exit 32B is coming. After one mile, again you will get the information that it is half-miles away, and again you will get the information it is 200 feet away. Pull your car towards right. Take left side or right side –” all information. The journey is without stress, anxiety, depression, irritation, frustration – no nonsense. Journey is full of pleasure and joy.

So the question in your life, who taught, who decided like for the beautiful journey – the stress, the journey – the driver needs that GPS in the car? No man. Maybe ABC. Whoever his name. I don’t care. So if the man has that ability to think that how we can make the journey from start to end full of joy and happiness and pleasure for me, right, why not God? Who created all of us? We are the creation, and creation without creator is not possible. So the creator is God. I have not seen the God, creator, but I said, “That is the creator.”

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Creator might be male, female, combination of both, maybe some animal, maybe the whole universe, maybe the nature, maybe some universal energy – God knows about the God. I don’t know. But this is my assumption: that without creator that creation cannot exist.

Somebody created this universe. Somebody created this planet Earth. There is very good discipline. Nothing like what the planet does is say, “Okay now for seven days I will not rotate, and I will not take the orbit, and I’m going on a vacation or here and there. I’m tired. This is [inaudible].” No nonsense. Universe, every second is working. No vacation; no nonsense! Right?

Debra: That’s right.

Guruji: Universe knows like yes, this is a journey. Everything disciplined. Everybody knows their life purpose, and that’s why there’s no tiredness. Similarly, for humans, human has also been given that GPS system. All humans – they’re born with that inner guidance like GPS in the car.

We have also some kind of GPS in our bodies. That GPS has complete information from our birth to death. That GPS has the information: who will be your soul-mate, what is the best place for you to live, what job or what business can give you the success, how you can improve the relationship, who is your best partner, who are your well wishers, who are not your well wishers, whom to join, whom not to join – complete information.

Once you have complete information, there is no confusion, no mental fogginess, nothing – and there’s no tiredness. Then you sleep like a baby for the rest of your life. You sleep like a baby. It’s not a big thing. It’s a very natural phenomenon. Females, you’re in menstrual cycle disorder you all have very heavy pain and cramps and bloating – all these things – why? There’s some problem. It’s a very natural phenomenon. It should flow in a very smooth manner.

Debra: So you’re talking about people getting in connection with this GPS. Do your blessings or your energy transmissions – does that work to raise people’s consciousness?

Guruji: Okay, that I’m coming. Yes, 100 percent. So the whole problems are limited to life purpose. You are confused. You are going in the wrong direction. If you know your life purpose, all problems automatically will be solved. Right? You just need to get the ability how to listen your inner guidance. What this energy does, this energy has the ability to connect you between your brain and your GPS inner guidance system – which I use the term “the soul” or “the spirit.” You can use any term, right.

Once you are connected, you will start getting the information all the time that, yes, she’s not your soul-mate. She’s not your soul-mate. It is coming. They are on the way. Yes, he is my soul-mate, or she is my soul-mate. This is the job for me. All these things you get better quality, high quality sleep. Your health is very good. Human has the highest ability of self-healing. Once you are connected,

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your spirit has the ability to increase, to enhance your self-healing powers, right, so you are free from all this nonsense. So this energy does that job.

Finally, after doing good job, and the second time you are, people, they are connected with the universe, connected with the creator, connected with their bodies and their souls. Souls of religion. Once you are connected, your spirit has the ability to channel that energy, that life force from somewhere in the universe, and you don’t get sickness. You’re already enjoy the happiness on this planet.

It’s very simple. My message to the people: you don’t need any clairvoyance, any spiritual master, any kind of outside advice. You are born with your master. You are born with your inner guidance system. Nobody knows better than you about yourself. Right?

Debra: Right.

Guruji: You are the only master for yourself. You are independent creation of the God, and once you are connected and your life is very smooth.

Debra: Now, Marie was asking – and this has to do with what you’re talking about – she says that people are coming to the blessings, the energy transmissions, with many, many different issues, just like you’re talking about. They have problems with their health or problems with their relationships or problems, problems. Everyone’s coming with something different.

How is it – and that’s what she’s trying to understand – how is it that these energy transmissions affect people at their own level? Is it because they themselves in themselves are choosing to concentrate on those issues during the energy transmission?

Guruji: They can focus. They can enjoy their system. But definitely the first of all for thousands of physical disorders and thousands of mental and emotional and psychological disorders, thousand varieties or sexual disorders, the problem is only one, and the solution is also only one.

The problem: that people, they are disconnected from that inner guidance system. That is the only problem, and there’s only one solution: you should get, again, connected. That’s it. Once you are connected, you are not born to enjoy the problems, right.

You are born to enjoy the happiness on this planet. Right? It’s like light and darkness. What is the definition of darkness? That is the absence of light. You may ask one million questions related to darkness. I will answer all the time that it is the absence of light.

And only one solution: the darkness does not exist. Only one solution: through the light, darkness will run away. So the varieties of darkness in your life which you suffer in the form of physical disorder, mental disorder, emotional and psychological disorder and sexual disorders, financial problems, relationship problems, they are the realities of darkness.

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The solution is the light. The light you don’t need from outside. It’s a kind of jumpstart. I’ll give you another analogy. Like you have one car, you started that car for a few minutes or hours, and now your car is absolutely [inaudible]. The gas tank is full. The air in the tires – whole system is working, but car is not starting.

But you just need somebody to come and give the jumpstart. And I’m going to be that person. I’m going to be that person who gave you the jumpstart. You don’t need that person, so what I’m doing, what this energy is doing, this energy is just connecting. You’re just giving that jumpstart. Once your car will start running, you don’t need jumpstart every time. Right?

Debra: That’s right. That’s right.

Poneman: I just wanted to add something, and that’s one of the things that I love about what Guruji does. He doesn’t say that people have to come back forever, although we do have some advanced programs even where people can learn to use a form of this energy for their loved ones.

Debra: Excellent. That was a question.

Poneman: Yes, and I’m in that program. And it’s fantastic, but there’s a place for people to start. But what I love is that this energy is so powerful that I’ve had people – you know, Guruji said people pray to the god of their understanding for what they need to make themselves happy. And then sometimes when the prayer is over and the blessing or the energy transmission begins, they’re like, “Oh my gosh! I forgot to pray for my eyesight to improve,” but it doesn’t matter because your soul knows what you need.

And what I’ve seen – because I’ve been with Guruji now for almost three years – so many people, they wanna know what they were put on earth to do. What is their purpose? What is their passion? Why are they here? And this energy really connects them to their higher self.

It connects their heart and their mind and their spirit and their soul. And next thing they know it becomes clear with absolutely no struggle. And they’re able to – the energy just clears the path for them to be able to realize their dreams and their goals.

So this one energy – what I’ve seen from my experience is – this one energy it knows what you need to have a glorious life. And it goes to work immediately, and you don’t have to be dependent on Guruji, but if you want to accelerate your progress then there are advanced programs to take advantage of.

Guruji: Yeah, it’s very important like in any country, like in any advanced country they have, for the kids, they have the education like high school and bachelor’s degree and master’s degree, Ph.D. Ph.D. is a very good education, but for kids it’s very important that without high school no education is possible. So these three blessing programs, they can definitely – for the new people it’s a very different statement, different understanding. This energy is very unique, and a

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different style. It is really very, very mandatory for most, for all the people, that you should go to high school program first of all. Right?

Debra: So the first three blessings are like going to high school. Excellent. And that was one of the other questions that Debra had touched on, is that were there other techniques or meditations or things that he finds that are beneficial for training yourself in raising your consciousness on a regular basis?

Poneman: Should I answer that, Guruji?

Guruji: Yeah.

Poneman: Yeah. Well, again, what I have found – and I’ve been meditating for over 40 years. What I and other people who have also been regular meditators have found is that we were told that meditation is self-sufficient, and I love my meditation. I do it every day.

But I’ll just tell you something; after this blessing, after receiving Guruji’s blessings, the quality of my meditation, the depth of my meditation, the results of my meditation have greatly accelerated. So can you do other things to improve your life? Of course! But what you find from this blessing is everything you do, it enhances that.

But in terms of Guruji recommending something to do to enhance the effectiveness of the blessing, no, nothing is needed. It is self-sufficient. He doesn’t tell you to go on a certain diet. He doesn’t tell you to do rituals or dogma or –

Debra: Good.

Poneman: – or become a vegetarian, nothing like that. This energy doesn’t need that.

Guruji: I think the most important point I would like to speak here, that most of the people, I think a very large group, I would like to say more than 80 or 90 percent people, they believe in God on this planet. They practice some kind of religion, and what happens they are praying the god of their understanding for the smallest of all things to achieve. And most of the time they are not achieving anything. All they are achieving is very small thing. What this energy is doing – and that’s why the people, their belief system is very weak nowadays. Right?

They believe, but then they are not getting the visions right to their prayer or to their any kind of ritual or dogma. The belief system is very weak after that. What this energy is doing, it is giving the extent to your belief system.

If you believe any religion, like you believe in Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Allah, whatever; and definitely if you pray from your true heart and you are getting the help, then definitely your belief in Jesus and Allah and all these masters and god, it will really increase a lot, and you will start worshipping.

And definitely you will get lots of courage after that; lots of confidence after that. What I’m teaching, you have to pray the god of your understanding. But because

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your alignment is not there, that message is not going, right. Like you have the laptop, you have the computer, but Internet is not working; everything is useless. So you want what is Internet; you want that connection between satellite and your laptop. Once you are connected, you will be able to send your message to anywhere, to anybody, your loved ones on this planet. But that connection is necessary.

That energy is missing, and you are connected with the help of this energy. So what this energy is doing, this energy is giving you that connection. Once you are connected, then definitely you can enjoy your belief system. And that’s why the blessing, it comes through the god of your understanding.

It doesn’t come through my body. It doesn’t come through the god of my understanding. It always comes to the god of your understanding. How this is coming? Why this is coming? I don’t know, right.

If you want to enjoy a good life, you should go to this. In the case of why and how, this is the job of the scientist. If you are not scientist, don’t waste your time. I’m very practical person, right. This energy is giving the natural blueprint to everybody. What is natural blueprint?

Like children. Have you seen any child with lots of anxiety and stress and depression and sadness and hopelessness? I have not seen it in my whole life. I have visited all six continents, so many countries, and I have not seen any single child suffering from anxiety and depression and bipolar disorder and all these things.

No, I’ve not seen it. Now why you and me? We are suffering. There is some kind of disconnection. We have lost that innocence. We have lost that connection from our bodies and our souls from the god of our understanding.

So I have done this experiment on plants and trees. And so read the history of agriculture or if you have the grandparents or great-grandparents, you talk to them that at least 100 years before, our ancestors, they were not using any kind of pesticide and fungicide and chemical fertilizer. Right? Nothing. And the crop was absolutely organic, lots of taste, high nutritional value.

Right? What this energy is doing, this energy is giving them natural blueprint. Something 100 years back that was natural blueprint. So for all of us, we have lost our natural blueprint. When we’re born, nobody was born with all these problems. Nobody. Not even a single child. We have lost that connection, and this energy is giving natural blueprint to bacteria or viruses, to plants and trees, to animals; why not humans? Right? Where is our question. Why not humans?

Yes, this energy has the ability to give you that natural blueprint, like the car not starting. What that jumpstart is doing? Jumpstart is giving the natural blueprint to the car. The car was working without any foreign support – without outside support. Right?

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Debra: Right. Excellent! Well, thank you so much. And I know that you’re busy. Do you have time to talk a little bit more, or it is fine with me if we can continue, but Debra, how is your timeline?

Guruji: Yeah, I think we can talk for another 10–15 minutes, if you have the question from your callers, from your audience.

Debra: Yes. You have answered several of them just by exactly what you had just said: talking about raising that vibration, raising that consciousness, giving them the opportunity to reconnect with that blueprint.

It’s kind of like, what the blueprint said that you were supposed to be – what was your life purpose? What were your gifts and abilities? What were all those things that the blueprint came from? And we’ve kind of got off the blueprint. Things have affected us. We have allowed things to affect us.

Or it has happened, like with what you’re talking about with the land. When they start doing things to the land that was never a part of the blueprint for the land, so that what you’re doing is energetically reviving and bringing back the energy of what was that original blueprint. Am I correct?

Guruji: Yeah, right. You are absolutely correct. Another analogy we can say, like the people like you, our ancestors and mostly the transformational leaders, they taught that there should be the alignment between earth and nature. If we get that alignment, then nature will start supporting you, will start giving you everything, be full of richness.

Like if you are driving a boat in a river, and if you are driving your boat against the flow of the water then it takes lots of energy and lots of time and the accomplishment is very small. Well, okay, you traveled one mile. But if you start driving your boat with the flow of the water, then you have to just pay a little attention how to balance your boat, and you have not to use more energy.

Similarly, for all of us, you do some reason fear resisting the nature. We are not permitting the nature to flow through us. What is the reason, and how we can permit the nature to flow through us? There should be the alignment at the level of energy, at the level of vibrations, at the level of the frequency.

And everything in this universe is consciousness and energy. So the question here like the individual consciousness and universal consciousness, when these two are on the same frequency, you are part of the nature, part of the universe; you can enjoy the gift of the universe, the gift of the nature because you are vibrating with the same frequency.

There is resonance, right. People, they know that, yes, we should enjoy the nature, and I have seen some really people who are living in the forest and who go to the forest and started hugging the trees. Unfortunately, they are confused people and their consciousness really very low.

They have no understanding of the science that nowadays hugging the trees is not a good idea; that is the most dangerous idea because in return you are not

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getting anything. There is nothing like exchanged. Only the gift you can get that millions of bacteria and viruses you can take from those plants and trees, they have lots of disease.

Nature, to enjoy nature, doesn’t mean go and hug the trees. Please go and hug your boyfriend, girlfriend, your partner, companion, your spouse. This is the best idea. There is no exchange of bacteria and viruses. You can enjoy the clean body and the spirit and soul and mind and all of the things. Enjoying the nature means you need to raise your consciousness at one point where you can start resonating – resonate with the universe.

Debra: Okay.

Guruji: Individual consciousness – so they start vibrating with the universal consciousness – that’s it! Now the universe is ready to reward you, to gift you all the richness, and that is the light of the god, and that way you can kick out the darkness in your life.

Debra: And even that – you’re talking vibration. The vibration of sickness is low. The vibration of fear is the lowest.

Guruji: Yes.

Debra: The vibration of love and caring and what you’re saying is very high, right?

Guruji: Yeah, definitely.

Debra: One of our questions, and we’ll probably end with this one just because I know that your time is short, and I thank you so much for giving us extra time, Guruji. And one of our ladies, Gina, was asking – she has had one of the blessings online and was just wondering has the foundation or any of your people ever started any of the experimentation or maybe running a study to find out the real results of people that have received your transmission over the Internet?

Because I know it’s possible for people to have before and after diagnoses from their doctor, because that’s all scientific, and maybe the only thing that they have done is the three blessings. She was just wondering have you thought about starting into a study of getting results from people that you have had energy transmissions or blessings with on the Internet?

Guruji: Yes, in the month of June this year, 2011, for around 500 people we have done the study that is called the subjective analysis and objective analysis. Subjective analysis like so many things like your quality of sleep, your anxiety, your depression, your relationships, your fear from the future, your mind chattering, your calmness, the new confidence or high confidence – all these things – your financial gain, your well being, your happiness, your sadness, everything. That is part of the subjective analysis that we have done in detail.

And the medical team – right, the doctors – the team of the doctors in fact, they just yesterday informed me that they are getting very exponential high graph that there’s a big change. They found a very, very big change over there, and I’m just

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looking for the objective analysis. Like the doctors, they took the blood before they treat and after 72 hours again they took the blood samples.

So they are trying to see the variation, the difference between three days and several hormones. They are measuring several hormones. The hormones related to happiness; hormones related to so many disorders. So they just informed me that we will get tomorrow, but ‘til today and all the time we are getting the testimony from the people that they were suffering from insomnia of 20 years, and now they are enjoying the sleep like the baby.

We are getting all the time this type of survey and this type of testimony. Every week we are getting hundreds of testimonies – every week.

Debra: Oh, I’m excited about that.

Guruji: You can see every day on our Facebook the new testimonies, people there are posting that their lives, it’s a life-changing experience, and really first time they are enjoying their life.

And especially females, yes, “Guruji, after this blessing, first time I am enjoying the sex. Really, I’m able to reach on climax. I started getting orgasm.” Different types of testimony, right? Everything. Ability to have happiness. Everything has something to add in the arena of your happiness. Right? So I think – thank you very much, all of you.

Debra: Fabulous! It’ll be so exciting to get the before and after from the doctors. But I just – I thank you so much for being with us today and especially for you offering extra time, which is always wonderful.

Poneman: And we thank you for all the wonderful work that you’re doing.

Guruji: Thank you very much, everybody here.

Debra: Bye-bye now. Bye-bye, Debra.

Have a wonderful rest of your day. This is Deb Thompson, Living Energy Secrets and please, join me on the next call.

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