You sure Shakespeare? When you use his metaphor about a rose at women this way it is kind of sickening. He means what Zen is saying, which is don’t be fooled by semantics. The Greeks could have called this flower something else, the point being the qualities of the flower, not its name, like the qualities of a man/woman not that he/she is a man/woman. --- © 2014 by Hoang Phuc Anh- Tu