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In a world where distractions were long thought the enemy, one man befriends that foe and finds freedom and a shining object in her rock. Since then he has embraced the distraction and searches to know better in the epic battle against the norm. And now distracted with Mark Patey.

Mark: Welcome to the distracted program I’m Mark Patey

Jeremiah: Welcome this is Miah Johnson

Mark: Hello Miah

Jeremiah: Hey Mark

Mark: Ah good topic today it’s called a placebo

Jeremiah: Oh I love placebo specially concorn like ensulato style. Oh wait no no no wrong

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Meaning of Placebo

Mark: I like placebo’s covered in chocolate frozen

Jeremiah: It’s that placebo like after you’re wife gives birth and then some people eat it other people can plant it under a tree

Mark: No animals might eat it I don’t think people eat it you’re talking about the placenta come on Miah,

Jeremiah: Placenta smoothie! Just do a Google search for placenta smoothie or placebo. Wait, I’m confused now.

Mark: Right. The placenta smoothie, I’m not gonna look it up. I refused to believe you. It’s just sick world and sometimes you just don’t wanna know. So the placebo, for listeners who don’t know - and I know a lot of you, everyone knows what placebo is, but we do have a surprisingly high number of young listeners which means sometimes we got to be careful with our humor on the show but were reasonable.

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Successful ADHD recovering addict

Jeremiah: And you know we get Mike and the cautioner’s brains out last time

Mark: He was awesome. It was so fun

Jeremiah: What our listeners don’t know is that Mike was in here in true ADHD and he is a pretty wrapped up ADHD guy. And you know tapping the table we’re like lollipop on the table moving around.

Mark: That was the program on addiction and ADHD if you haven’t listened to it. When you listen to it, just imagine a very successful ADHD recovering addict that runs rehab centers on the program, wiggling like a freaking trying six year old in class that stands up for no reason whatsoever and plays around his desk when he draws right? And that’s exactly what we had.

Jeremiah: And there’s kind of a pattern with our guests. That avid ADHD that comes in to the studio and that’s a pretty similar pattern

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Rules of the show

Jeremiah: Real fast. For the one listener that hates it we’ll do it really fast.

Mark: We reserve the right to be wrong

Jeremiah: We reserve the right to change our minds

Mark: And we reserve the right to offend any people and everyone equally because free speech is practiced here. Okay that was pretty quick, something you didn’t know about Mr. Jeremiah Johnson, so you get to know our host and you can love us and certainly special or hate us or at least understand us. Whether you love us or hate us, you’ll understand where we come from and this will explain a lot about Miah. Something you didn’t know about your host Miah Johnson, Rose Ann Bar was his babysitter.

Jeremiah: Absolutely true story.

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Something to know about JeremiahMark: Explains so much! I just… what was that like? I mean really?

Jeremiah: Well let’s just put it this way, Rose Ann was never in or out of character in her TV show it was just Rose Ann. That’s Rosie.

Mark: That’s her? Legitimately, that’s her. All the attitude and the anger and the funny.

Jeremiah: That is her, and the obnoxiousness and everything. And for those out there is a story behind that my parents in the 80’s had some comedy clubs in Salt Lake and Rose Ann Bar got her start in Cartoons comedy club in Salt Lake City and she became quick friends of my parents and for a summer

Mark: And like most comedians, you starved and ocassionally babysit ADHD Miah Johnson and it is probably good for throwing up with jokes and humor.

Jeremiah: All I remember is she’s sitting on the couch and two quick stories she would just sit on the couch and just yell at us we just throw stuff around her.

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Something to know about Mark Patey

Jeremiah: Second story is that we’re driving on the street in our old Chrysler minivan the first Dodge Chrysler minivan – it had the big stiff sliding doors that would always…

Mark: Oh yeah those doors would cut your arm off if you got in the way.

Jeremiah: And we’re driving down like up in Oak, Utah down street and some Mexicans on the rider cut off on my mom and Rose Ann’s like catch up on them Pat and so my mom pull up next to them and Rose Ann pull down her pants mown them her fat butt out in the window and mowned them so she went from the worst babysitter to the coolest babysitter right?

Mark: Because the measure of quality of babysitter for kids is a lot different than the measurement of babysitter for a parent.

Jeremiah: Good times, so one thing you did not know about your host Mark Patey is that his first learned language was Hebrew because he was raised in Israel.

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The success story

Mark: Yes but that one is actually true. I see pictures of her on the wall at your Dad’s house. Yeah true story yeah. I did. I was born here in the U.S and as just a kid in diapers, my family moved to Jerusalem with their nearly nearly five years and so if you could imagine a five year old - how they speak their language, they speak it really well. And so Hebrew was one of those languages. So if you take that into contents and bring that kid into the U.S, speaking English not nearly as well as Hebrew, I couldn’t say my R’s my vocabulary was crap, the culture was foreign, I’m as ADHD as they come, there’s a lot of tears man, a lot of getting picked on and I was a twin and I was a stereotype twin. Twins they’re always a scrawny runs coz just twins are generally I was that skinny little scrawny kid from another country.

Jeremiah: They made you tough.

Mark: Okay seriously. It seems like every success story starts with the struggle, right? They’re always like the motivational speaker “down by the river and a band down by the river.” There’s something to that in fact our uneducated segment ties into that when we get so stick around. This is gonna be a good one I’m excited about that one. Okay, so our subject…

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Question concerning culture

Jeremiah: We have two subjects one we almost forgot and that is a question from the viewer or from listener.

Mark: Okay let’s take that right now, So as many of you may know our listenership has been growing quite a bit and that’s fun and exciting and this call was from Africa. We’ll hear in a second.

Listener from Africa: Hi Mark my name is Equishi and I have a question concerning culture. Well let’s say you actually do have ADHD or you just got diagnosed so people turn to someone supposing you have it. But coming from a culture that doesn’t really pay that much attention to it, like for example I’m Nigerian so even though I’m struggling to find a diagnosis now, it’s like I’m not gonna get that much of a support group because not a lot of people from my of my nationality really take this seriously. Let alone even acknowledges existence you know, so I don’t know if you could go over that in your show so thanks for listening to my message my name is Equishi. Okay, babye.

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Ignoring Adhd

Mark: Alright Equishi first of all thank you for calling it.

Jeremiah: And I wanna say congratulations partly tongue and cheek and nod congratulations for discovering that you are a genius!

Mark: Yeah I mean welcome to the club. You know there’s a unique challenge that she’s facing because ADHD is legitimately challenging. We see and focus on the gifts and do our best to manage the curse and provide tools but when you come from a different culture these are my thoughts really on this in the U.S we just talked about this on the last program our short/medium program that in the U.S right now, we have the opposite problem that you have in Nigeria. People are so focused on it, that they’re over diagnosing it and according to our last program there’s a study showing that over medicating it by five times plus, over medicating it. And so I don’t know which is worse and I wanna get some advice here. First I want to fully understand but want you to fully understand where you are and put some perspective in it. If I have a choice and Miah this is a question for you before I wanna get mayan put as well, Which is worse to live in a country that over bellifies it over medicates it or to live in a country that doesn’t even acknowledge that it’s real.

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Adhd acceptance

Jeremiah: Oh that’s easy for me that doesn’t make how it’s true because I have the opportunity to define it. And people won’t project their perception of what it is and what society’s projection is sounds like it’s a clean slate right? And I would much rather be in that situation and I think also, let me add to that, whether your nationality or culture or wherever you are does or does not accept it or has a certain view point to it, we are saying okay that’s only relevant to extent but you have found we have found each other on this program and in this mini movement.

Mark: And it is. It really is a movement and it’s I mean this is a place where you can come and I’m glad that you’re listening to the program and really glad that you call in with the question but Equishi the reality is I’m with Miah on this. You’re looking for diagnosis and may or may not need medications, that’s for you and your experts to decide. But it’s tough when there’s books out there on ADHD and the gifts of ADHD and all they talked about is the gift and I wanna pull my hair out and say for crying out loud ADHD can suck. It can be really miserable and particularly for the parents or the mothers they’re dealing with kids or ourselves when we feel like we’re alone in it. And were not alone guys there’s a lot of us here.

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Culture and Adhd

Mark: But when you’re talking to people that don’t want to accept it, it’s painful. I can’t imagine being in Nigeria where they don’t do even this kinda like yeah whatever hocus pocus mental challenge made up stuff. When you’re living with it, you know it’s real. Sometimes it feels like brain damage. But I’m with Miah, if I had to choose between living in a country where it is over bellified over medicated and over… I mean if they don’t accept it in in your own little world trying to figure out, here sadly in the U.S you’re labeled with it. You’re put in to special classes for it, it’s a figurative it’s holy a negative and that’s the message were trying to change hey look all you guys say ADHD is a curse you’re right okay we accept that all you guys say ADHD is a huge gift you’re right. But let’s look at all of it in a healthy way, let’s magnify the gifts, manage the curse. And the best way Equishi to do that, is probably on this program. I didn’t have anything, I didn’t have anywhere to go, I found myself reading the “all is well” and the ADHD world books and I want to pull my hair out and I read the your curse broken and damage brain damage frontal lobe blah blah blah and I wanna pull my hair out because and I’m going I’m sorry I’m not brain damage I am definitely very different.

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Opposite approach on adhdMark: So here’s what you gonna see Equishi and were seeing in the U.S there’s a cycle when anything new is discovered, a new concept a new idea a new product, it goes to the extremes first imagine if you will a pendulum and someone find something new the pendulum isn’t sitting balanced hanging straight down in the middle it’s found and it’s on one side someone pulls all the way up to the science and says I found something look and they let go and it will swing back and forth and slowly slow down and end up balanced in the middle with a full understanding. What’s happened in the U.S is at one point adhd wasn’t real and they ignored it just like you’re experiencing in Nigeria. And Miah we’ve got to do better at really being fully aware of now just happening in the U.S and not just speaking to our U.S listeners but I don’t know if you look at last reports on our program but when we first started I mean we’ve been growing like crazy super humbled and excited about that and it was in the U.S and we were 99.999 percent of listenership in U.S in the last three weeks. That’s gone all the way down to 84%. And we’ve got listeners in nearly thirty different countries now on a regular basis and we need to be aware that there’s Equishi out there in Nigeria that’s dealing with it from a different perspective.

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Regular Daily Battle

Mark: So here’s what’s happened with the pendulum swing in the U.S they ignored it, and everybody had to fight for themselves. And that’s where you are and that’s tough but you’re not on your own okay? And we’ll help anyway we can were trying to create new programs and things to do besides just the podcast we’ve got a lot really exciting things in the work. Then the pendulum swings all the way through they ignoring it to it’s an epidemic all these kids with ADHD and brain damage and special accomodations and special ed and you found yourself going I’m broken I’m brain damaged I’m worthless. And it’s that story on the last program about the girl who found herself suicidal. That’s where that leads and then what happens is the pendulum swings back and forth between the it’s broken and it’s a gift and realizes that guess what it can be both. And if you’re not managing the curse and magnifying the gifts, it is nothing but a curse you have to make a concious regular effort either one of our listeners sent me a letter that says hey I just listen to all your programs again for the third time and he says everytime I listen to the program I’ve got a different perspective because of where he is. And it’s like we’ve only been out for a couple months and we forget so quick and as we change and grow our minds ability to look at things differently and apply it to our life differently is so important so this isn’t hey it’s gonna fixed Equishi it’s not. You’re not gonna hear something on one of our podcast and also in you life’s change it is an ongoing regular daily battle sorry were once a week find other ways to work and take things forward.The Placebo

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Being true to yourself

Jeremiah: And one thing I picked up from you Mark and I see the very important is that kind of inner child that we all have that gets wounded when we are told that we’re broken. And so to Equishi I would just say to protect that inner child meaning you know keep your head up, square shoulders as you encounter those who wanna project their perspective of ADHD upon you. Just you know be true to yourself and know that there just a lot of people like us out there all over the world and yeah it’s a gift yeah it’s a curse and you know what we’re living our lives and having a great time and we’re happy. And a lot of times we’re doing cool things like creating the mass production line like Henry Ford or personal computers or inventing the light bulb… just along the way or not or just being a dad or just being a mom just you know whatever it is.

Mark: Again Equishi thanks for calling in I don’t know if that helps you the reality is, you are going to live in your country with the world denying the reality of this brain that does things differently. Internally you have to accept and understand and convince your mind that different is not a disorder and you don’t have to see yourself that way. You can recognize that everyone’s given strenght and weaknesses and it’s all a compromise. You don’t get to have all the strengths and no weaknesses if your brains gonna be hyper capable and hyper active or hyper productive in one area there’s gonna be a give and take and something out it’s gonna be less than and you just look for the half full. The Placebo

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Social impact of AdhdJeremiah: And you know I just realize something it’s occurred to me of the calls that we get the ones we put on the air have both been come from a foreign nationality and both had questions around the social impact of ADHD well Sergio and Equishi. I thought we can get more moms calling about their little boys

Mark: The other ones would get a lot of is enterprenuers and they love our asking for more tips and advice on the adhd enterprenuers and requesting that book as the follow up on the Addicts and Millionaires and it will if I don’t get distracted. So but hey guess what addicts and millionaires did eventually get written and it did hit the market and despite any form of marketing or sales it’s going really well I’m super happy with it. Okay so Equishi be ready for the swing. Right now you’re feeling pain because your country is ignoring it. I promise you in your lifetime you will see where everybody is clamoring all over the curse that ADHD is and somebody needs to do something and suddenly you’re gonna start finding yourself like us going stop telling kids that they’re broken stop making it worse than it is. And you will become an advocate you will become a crusader to get the message right and to get it balanced you gonna be one of those.

Jeremiah: And it’s irrelevant whether you’re in a culture a country or a family or a community those who are listening and those who have the perspective in getting the perspective that we’ve come to achieve it’s a responsibility to help change the paradigm. It’s your responsibility

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Important value

Mark: It’s not just responsibility, I’m so glad you brought this up coz it triggred something I thought about the other day and I didn’t write it down I thought I forget it and never come back and it just came back. I was out on offroad event and big Moab bisterchefs forest in the jeep up in the mountains and Equishi and all the listeners but this is for you. In becoming a crusader or taking like Miah says responsibility to do something and help others I was at this cheap event and it’s hard core offroading and I built several vehicles and we decide to go for night run which is fun. No in danger that is and get way back in the country and there’s nobody out there and if you break down you can be in big trouble and start calling search and rescue and we broke and we broke bad. Drive line broke the U-joint came right off and that’s not a bad break usually you can find a way lift home your friends can tow you home or whatever it was I broke on the only way out of the place we were in. And there was no moving the vehicles forward or backwards or anywhere without the driveline so we’re all stucked there’s no towing out of the situation. And nobody have tools and I finally fumbling around I’ve got a spare U-joint for this driveline but I’ve got nothing to - I need particular wrench to get in there it’s a tight awkward little spot and little tiny nuts to strip easy and I found this pair of pliers in my glob box that was rusted barely work their lose at the joint they don’t grab anything they were the freebie pliers that you throw away when they’re brand new because their worthless.The Placebo

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Toolkit

Mark: And they have been bouncing around for years and I remembered throwing them out of the jeep and my wife saying “hey you never know might need that” I said no I’ve got really nice tools I put in really nice toolkit she says “why don’t see nice toolkit in the jeep use this” and so she throw it in and I was mad I thought well when she’s gone I’m gonna this pliers in the trash again and then out in the trail put this pliers this worthless rusted cant grab anything for nothing pliers and that’s all I have. And we got under the jeep and work at it and strip the couple nuts but when we finally got the driveline apart use the pliers as a hammer to pound the old u-joint out of the driveline pound the new u-joint in and again strip the nuts even worse trying to tighten the clamps back on and got the driveline on. And I remember when I finished I got up and I almost cried not because I fixed the jeep we broken down and fixed the jeep a tone of times but I almost cried when I looked at the pliers because suddenly the pliers was every single person in life that didn’t feel good enough to make a difference didn’t feel a value because they were broken they were old they were worn down there were so many that were prettier stonger better that were just born with more. And I looked at those pliers and I literally started crying and some of with me says are you okay?

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Saving the whole team

Mark: I said yeah and I was trying to comprehend what my mind and soul was trying to reconcile with the pliers. And listeners you don’t have to believe in god or be religious or anything to understand this point. Everybody is of infinite value and infinite worth. We are all that pair of pliers. And the only way evil wins in the world is if it can convince us we are not good enough. But guess what in the right hands anybody that’s willing you can be the one that saves the whole team everybody out on that trail was cold and tired and hungry and wanted to get off there and that worthless pair of pliers saves the trip so. I hope that reasonates I hope you can believe that all listeners in a sarcastic but serious way we’re all tools.

Jeremiah: Just you dude, I’m still trying to get past apart of the story where we’re talking about jeep and then a guy is crying.

Mark: Dude no guy wants to cry out on the jeep trail

Jeremiah: But then again if the guy is gonna cry about anything might usually about his tools.

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Fools or tricks

Jeremiah: So a placebo is something that an essence fools or tricks the mind of the subconcious in the person that they have achieve a certain outcome as a direct result of a pill they have taken on exercise or something they have done which is typically a pill but that pill is really a fake a blank all it did was make the person think that they have taken a pill to cure an ailment or they got better and it really a pill that was a same solution or sugar pill or whatever it was that’s the scientific definition I just gave you

Mark: That was clinically correct and read from a textbook not just pulled out of your butt?

Jeremiah: That’s right I just didn’t pull it out of my placebo

Mark: Okay so a placebo is basically you give someone a sugar pill to cure an ailment and a percentage of people will say that the pill worked and cured them. When the reality is the pill was a fake a blank a sugar pill a nothing they just had an ailment took a pill the doctor convinced them the pill would work and there by it did work.

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Saline solution

Jeremiah: My grandma used to go to her doctor and get shots of Saline solution he didn’t tell her it was the Saline solution but the shots made her feel better

Mark: Oh wow as an actual medical doctor was giving a placebo?

Jeremiah: Yeah

Mark: I can see that, that can be helpful

Jeremiah: Yeah and I don’t know if that was legal or not legal or whatever we all knew that happen and grandma love it

Mark: Let the government call in here and get the name and number and address of the person who need to be appropriately prosecuted. Take his license. Well if the job of the doctor is to help you feel better and that’s all she needed was to believe she took the pill that would cure it then awesome. So with that understanding of a placebo that overly simple minded explaination from the two of us the rumblings of a couple insane

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Big Argument

Jeremiah: I’m an idiot so let’s continue

Mark: So I get approched after a conference by a mother and she’s she had an agenda. She had a beef with me. Even though I always say there is a time and place for medication unfortunately my big argument is that when a medication is the first attemp as supposed to be absolutely very last result after great parenting, patience, learning practicing maybe tuning in to this podcast whatever that’s a last of effort.

Jeremiah: Sending us large checks

Mark: They’ll do that. So eventhough I’m so careful to say look I’m not against medication. I’m against the overuse abused over prescription of medication and it becoming the excuse to stop trying everything. I thought that was clear and I get approached and she has an agenda and it’s because her kid has ADHD and his on medication she says I wanna talk to you about your opinion on medication and I know you do all this speeches and I know you wrote a book and blah blah blah trying to set me on a pedestal so that she could really knock me down. I’m like don’t here comes smells like bullcrap and she says “so I got to tell you what’s your opinion” The Placebo

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Medication the last result

Mark: and I give a short version just like I said it’s a great crutch if needed some people really need it some people can really benefit it and my challenge is this so I explain it so she says well you just need to know that it has made so much difference with my kid and it’s the best thing in the world and I just think that people need it more than you think. And I said okay tell me about your son who I happen to know. And she says well he’s young but it’s a small world. She says well I couldn’t get him do his homework I couldn’t get him to get up to school on time I couldn’t get him to remember his backpack he do his homework and he wouldn’t turn it in and these are all the typical things you hear the pains. And we fought all the time and I couldn’t get him to listen to me.

Jeremiah: Wait so she said she basically she saying I have a son?

Mark: I have a teenager. And so she says she gives all these things and she finally stops like waiting for me to you know say she’s right. She finally stops I said you know it’s interesting that everything you’ve describe as a problem with your son started with I, I have a hard time with him I can’t get him out of bed I fight with him all the time blah blah blah, I said so was the medication was that for you or for him?

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Returning the favorMark: I know! I was tired, it was the end of the day.

Jeremiah: Mark is like here comes the underhand pitch

Mark: Hey she put me on the pedestal so she could kick the pedestal out and I was just not ready and over tired. Looking to send your checks to our real account. So it did go dead quiet. And I actually thought did I cross the line? But I felt I needed to be bold I needed to I said you know everything you said started with you and all these problems you have with your son. And so was the pill for you or for him? And she was quiet for a while and said something snide and she was obviously little offended what you need to know that it worked it was for him and ever since he took the pill, we get along we don’t fight all the time, and I don’t have to be so impatient with him, he gets things done and we get along. It fixed our family and it fixed our relationship. And I’m like wow, that’s amazing. You know it’s always been fascinating to me the powerful fact of the placebo. And she just looks at me. And she was I don’t know what a placebo has to do with this but the medication works, it has fixed everything. And I said, no, it’s something you need to understand. You’re a hundred percent. Because I needed really to get her to buy her own story, I need to.

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Effect of PlaceboJeremiah: So now Mark is setting her up

Mark: I’m setting her up. I said, are you sure, she says, absolutely. Probably a week of him being on it, everything changed. And she said it all over again, but like twice as much passion, she was the salesman for all pills for ADHD she was the hardcore. And I said well that is amazing. I still am amazed with the powerful effect of the placebo because you need to know that your son stopped taking his ADHD medication about a week after he got it coz he hated how it made him feel. And he hasn’t been on it since. He’s been taking the pill and when you leave he spits it in the toilet and flushes it down. So I guess what I’m saying is it’s amazing how powerful the placebo is but he wasn’t taking the placebo, you were taking the placebo when you gave him a real medication that he spit up.

Jeremiah: We call that reverse placebo

Mark: The reverse placebo by proxy, The proxy placebo. We can title that story that.

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Medication is for Parents

Jeremiah: Oh by the way Mark that’s trademark. We can’t copy that.

Mark: Hereby used on this show, on this date and under penalty by law and by big scary dogs.

Mark: So the proxy placebo actually worked. Now we had a very different conversation

Jeremiah: This isn’t in your book

Mark: I actually address this in Addicts and Millionaires there’s a lot more that can be gained in this dialogue. Is it the medication for them? The medication for her or the parent. In this case, she needed to know that there was a pill that was gonna make her life better and in her thinking she gave her son a pill, her life got better. She found patience. She found understanding. She was looking forward to be better and thereby made it better.

Jeremiah: Right

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Adhd Medications

Mark: So could he have needed a medication? Some do. Guess what, he didn’t. And never will. And this has been, you know…

Jeremiah: So it doesn’t matter

Mark: 86% don’t. Right?

Jeremiah: Listen to the last podcast.

Mark: 86% of people on ADHD medications should not be on it.

Jeremiah: No, 73% shouldn’t. 86% of children who are on ADHD should not be on medication. It’s only suggested for 14% of the kids that have ADHD. So I guess the 73% is for the parents.

Mark: Really? Or the teacher.

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Proxy Placebo

Mark: We need to package a placebo proxy. Proxy placebo for the schools and educators so they can find a little patience. Of course this story in example, is a fully true story. A hundred percent. A few of the details I changed out of respect for the mother and she may listen and say that’s me. And the others that will listen will not figure out that it’s her. But fully true in every weight, shape and form that matters. Here’s the instant point though. At what point are placebo’s good? You mentioned your grandmother right? And she would get a Saline solution shot.

Jeremiah: Like once a month. It was a regular thing and we all knew it.

Mark: So I talked about in the previous episode my of coping with the pain of the ADHD label, right? It was denial. I had lived in denial. Some people may live in, live by way of a proxy placebo. It may be that they are actually taking a medication and thinking the medication solved it when really it gave their mind the opportunity to unhook from all the negative aspects of the label.

Jeremiah: Right

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Altering one’s mind

Mark: Where is for you listeners, I don’t know. But take an honest look at yourself. But I can tell you one thing. Anything that you take mind altering drug, it will alter the mind.

Jeremiah: Guaranteed. 100%.

Mark: There’s a lot of altering of the mind that… and all altering of your mind through your life is by choice. What you learn and what you choose to take from what you learn and experiences and in that learning and growth process, you become who you are. Hopefully, you don’t have to have a pill, become part of who you are coz it does alter your mind.

Jeremiah: Right and for those who are in relationships either parental, spousal or friend relationships, with someone who has ADHD, take a look at persons on medication and you may have been be a part of them getting medication and you may want to take a little gut shack a little hard look on yourself and say okay. Is that for them as much as it’s for me?

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Hard Consideration

Mark: Right. And in all fairness, and also to protect ourselves, you might want to cancel the therapist prescribe the medication before you get off that medication. And I mean that seriously. Some do people need it, and sadly we know a lot of people don’t that are on it.

Jeremiah: That’s all we’re saying. Take a hard look at it and a hard consideration.

Mark: So on to our next segment. I think that was good diggin’ out there. That’s good enough to put in the book and there’s more about in Addicts and Millionaires and I hope you’ll read it. So uneducated and otherwise one of my favorite segments because I think somehow inside, somebody’s gonna get really upset and then we might slowly convert them over the reality that maybe we’re looking at it and despite more healthy way.

Jeremiah: Truth through antagonizing that’s always a good method.

Mark: Right.

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Calm before the storm

Mark: If we do anything on the show, that’s antagonize our fans our listeners.

Jeremiah: Our fans, I do not assume why you’re listening to this program right now.

Mark: Our uneducated segment, we always hear about the calm before the storm. That’s not life. I haven’t found it.

Jeremiah: It’s not true.

Mark: That’s not true. The calm is not before the storm. I want to give it to the start of the story. The story that I start Addicts and Millionaires with. A flight coming out of southern California, weather is bad, my twin brother Mike, we’re the only two on the plane we debated quite a while whether we should fly or not it was bad enough that even the size and capability of our aircraft and a fully know and a certified capable aircraft we hesitated before going. We finally made the decision to go, took off. It was horrible. People who aren’t afraid of flying, would crap themselves.

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The great story

Jeremiah: And you have a story of someone crapping themselves on a flight.

Mark: Yes I did. Oh that’s a great story.

Jeremiah: Great story.

Mark: Attorneys in fancy suits with crap down their legs.

Mark: Back to the story. My flight bag, the bag hits the ceiling, I mean, hits the ceiling and stays there for a while before coming back to the ground. It was that kind of turbulence and Mike and I were the kind of aviator race airplanes, that stuff doesn’t bother us but we looked to each other and went holy crap! Glad nobody’s in the back, they’d be freaking out. Well after a while, that gets tiresome, in fact when we were at 18 thousand feet, the auto pilot set off an alarm, and turned itself off the turbulence was so severe, the plane gave up. And set off an alarm and disengaged and Mike had that hand fly the plane through the bumps. So finally we go thru all this, there’s ice on the plane but it’s shedding the ice, it’s doing it’s job. We get up on top, the second…

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Dangerous and Uncomfortable

Jeremiah: Not dangerous, just uncomfortable, I mean you guys were qualified…

Mark: It was just one of those crappy rides, I was just glad nobody’s with us..

Jeremiah: Right.

Mark: So we bust thru the top, and it’s instantly smooth, I mean it was a dark miserable, horrible night and as soon as we’re up on top the clouds, it was full moon, bright stars, and the clouds were white.

Jeremiah: And it’s gorgeous. I love that, that’s my favorite part. Breaking to the clouds. I love that.

Mark: And when you have the view, the full out of the front window, I mean if you see everything, it’s instantly smooth. Pilots and those who fly a lot will all say, you come out of the clouds, and all the bumps are gone. And this was so severe, it so smooth and so serene and so gorgeous, I just went oh my gosh it is almost like the plane got quieter reality is it doesn’t..

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Uneducated Lesson

Mark: No. It’s not until after the greatest turbulence in life that you’re even capable of recognizing and appreciating the calm. It isn’t until after the storm that you really recognize the calm. The calm comes after the storm and the message in that uneducated lesson is I know a lot of our listeners are struggling with their ADHD they’re struggling with helping people understand hey guess what there might be gifts you might say you might want to listen to this podcast there are some really good points and some good studies they talk about and they validate the gifts of ADHD and they tear you down anyway.

Jeremiah: or they might not yet believe that they’re gifts but they wanted to believe.

Mark: They want to believe.

Jeremiah: They want to believe but they hadn’t got there yet.

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Success after the struggle

Mark: And guys, the calm comes, it always does. But it’s after, it’s after the greatest turbulence that you recognize and appreciate the calm and you see the start of this podcast, we start with talking about people that are successful and the struggle, and that’s the norm. You know it’s the down by the river, right I’m a motivational speaker and I was once down by the river, and then they find success. It’s not coincidence that the people who have found the greatest success came through some significant turbulence in life. It really is a prerequisite. When life’s calm, don’t be thinking it’s the calm before the storm, what’s gonna go wrong? What a horrible pessimistic way to look at life. The reality is, when you’re in the storm, recognize every great person that has walked this planet went thru a storm as bad or worse and it was after the storm that they found the peace and the beauty and the calm. And that is how it works. That’s just life and if you’re not finding that trial in life, I feel bad, that’s where the character, that’s the refiners fire.

Jeremiah: You ask any people. Any person who has been through a great trial and when they come thru it, they say that trial makes up a big part of who they are.

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Learning experiencesMark: And was one of their greatest learning experiences. So that’s it for uneducated segment. If you’re in the middle of the storm guys, you’re gonna get out. You’re gonna get out and be grateful. Okay we’re gonna end it there but I have to say my mom, she was so good at helping me learn this in life and I was a crier. It was pretty bad, when I was little, I cried easy. I’m emotional that way. What can I do? My mom was funny though, when she see me hurting she was like “oh, how exciting! Just think what you’re gonna learn about yourself” and she meant that and I saw my mom in some of her most trying times, my da went blind for a while and that a real challenge on the family and my mom, I remember her crying, and in the middle of her tears, in the greatest pain, she turned to me and smiled, and said what she always would say to me, she’d say “I wonder what I get to learn about myself today” and it wasn’t just a saying. She really meant it she really truly deeply internalized that in those greatest, most painful trying moments, is when we learn who we are. And when we reach and dig deep, and reach to outside help and if you’re a religious person reach to whoever, whatever that is, and find the added strength, and you’ll get thru it. So it is never the calm before the storm. We’ve uneducated you here for your own benefit.

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Beautiful wayJeremiah: In a very beautiful way.

Mark: The calm comes after the storm. Ladies and gentleman, it was a nice Jeremiah: You’re making me cry Mark.

Mark: Stop holding my hand.

Jeremiah: We’re not gonna pick up curtains together.

Mark: Miah, I want the blue one.

Jeremiah: Are you blushing? I’ll go for pink.

Mark: That’s another wonderful program.

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One of the greatest program

Mark: Great program. That was fun.

Jeremiah: One of the greatest programs we’ve ever done.

Mark: This was one of them.

Jeremiah: This was definitely one of them.

Mark: It was funny the first time you said that but not the second time, and to all our listeners out there, dad thanks.

Mark: Can’t wait for the next program, thanks everybody for listening. If you have a question you wanna call in to the show, 855-ADD GIFT, you can also comment or reach out to us on facebook. On facebook.com/adhdgift our website, adhdgift.com which by the way is going up and down and will probably go down for a little because we are working on some really cool exciting things. We’ve decided to spend a little money.

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Thank you for listening

Jeremiah: We decided to stop doing lame and stupid things and we’re doing cool really exciting things.

Mark: But yeah, we’ve just increased 10 dollars, we’ll see what that could do to our website. Actually really cool stuff. Thanks everybody for listening. I’m Mark Patey.

Jeremiah: I’m Miah Johnson and difference is not a disorder.

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