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IGETC:IGETC: The New The New

Standards and Standards and BeyondBeyond

UC Counselor Conference UC Counselor Conference 20082008

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IGETC Standards ReviewIGETC Standards Review

Three main goals:Three main goals:• Maintain the Academic Standards of Maintain the Academic Standards of

IGETC (10.0)IGETC (10.0)• Help students who have met those Help students who have met those

standards get counseled and standards get counseled and certified as efficiently as possible certified as efficiently as possible

• Eliminate procedural barriers in Eliminate procedural barriers in order to increase and streamline order to increase and streamline certificationcertification

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IGETC Standards: IGETC Standards: HighlightsHighlights

• The “recommended” IGETC form (11.5)The “recommended” IGETC form (11.5)• Certification—who certifies? (11.1)Certification—who certifies? (11.1)• Partial Certification—up to 2 missing courses Partial Certification—up to 2 missing courses

(11.4)(11.4)• AP chart (7.1)AP chart (7.1)• Use of IB (7.2)Use of IB (7.2)• Using any CCC IGETC course list to establish Using any CCC IGETC course list to establish

equivalency for non-CCC courses (5.2.1 #2)equivalency for non-CCC courses (5.2.1 #2)• Using combination of quarter and semester Using combination of quarter and semester

units to satisfy areas (8.2)units to satisfy areas (8.2)• Establishing equivalency for non-CCC courses: Establishing equivalency for non-CCC courses:

upper and lower-division (5.2)upper and lower-division (5.2)

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IGETC WebsiteIGETC Website

• The official IGETC website can be The official IGETC website can be found at found at www.cacctcw.org/igetc.htm..

• It contains the following information:It contains the following information: IGETC Standards, Policies and IGETC Standards, Policies and

ProceduresProcedures PowerPoint presentationsPowerPoint presentations FAQsFAQs

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• UC/CSU selection and IGETC are UC/CSU selection and IGETC are separate entitiesseparate entities The ICAS IGETC subcommittee will The ICAS IGETC subcommittee will

consider including an additional consider including an additional clarification to the IGETC Standards.clarification to the IGETC Standards.

UC/CSU Selection and UC/CSU Selection and IGETCIGETC

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General Q&AGeneral Q&A

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Q: Out-of-State CoursesQ: Out-of-State Courses

Since California Community Since California Community Colleges may apply a non-CCC Colleges may apply a non-CCC

course to IGETC if the content of course to IGETC if the content of the course meets the Standards, the course meets the Standards, where do we get the non-CCC where do we get the non-CCC

course outline/syllabus if course outline/syllabus if required?required?

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• It is the responsibility of the It is the responsibility of the student to provide the course student to provide the course outline/syllabus if he or she outline/syllabus if he or she would like a non-CCC course to would like a non-CCC course to be considered for IGETC be considered for IGETC applicability. applicability.

A: Out-of-State CoursesA: Out-of-State Courses

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In section 5.2.1, #2 states that if the certifying In section 5.2.1, #2 states that if the certifying CCC does not have a comparable course, but CCC does not have a comparable course, but another CCC does, the course may be applied another CCC does, the course may be applied to the IGETC “as long as the course outlines to the IGETC “as long as the course outlines

are compared and scrutinized as to are compared and scrutinized as to equivalency in content, prerequisites, texts, equivalency in content, prerequisites, texts,

units and conformity to IGETC standards.”    units and conformity to IGETC standards.”    

Are the articulation officers expected to provide Are the articulation officers expected to provide an outline to the faculty member to approve an outline to the faculty member to approve these courses? Or, will a course description these courses? Or, will a course description

and a syllabus from the student suffice? and a syllabus from the student suffice? 

Q: Course OutlinesQ: Course Outlines

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A: Course OutlinesA: Course Outlines• Faculty involvement is not necessary if the Faculty involvement is not necessary if the

course description from the non-CCC course course description from the non-CCC course matches the course description from matches the course description from another CCC. In this case, the course can another CCC. In this case, the course can be applied to the appropriate IGETC area.  be applied to the appropriate IGETC area. 

• If it is not clear, the student will need to If it is not clear, the student will need to provide a course outline or syllabus and the provide a course outline or syllabus and the appropriate faculty will then determine if appropriate faculty will then determine if the course is applicable to IGETC. (There the course is applicable to IGETC. (There are many different CCC models regarding are many different CCC models regarding review of non-CCC courses.)review of non-CCC courses.)

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Will the AP chart be added to ASSIST?Will the AP chart be added to ASSIST?

Q: AP Chart Q: AP Chart

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A: AP ChartA: AP Chart

• Policy information is not housed in Policy information is not housed in ASSIST.ASSIST.

• The combined UC/CSU AP chart for The combined UC/CSU AP chart for IGETC can be found in the IGETC IGETC can be found in the IGETC Standards on page 8 at: Standards on page 8 at: http://www.cacctcw.org/igetc.htm.  . 

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I informed evaluators at my I informed evaluators at my campus that "any two courses" campus that "any two courses"

could be missing, including Area could be missing, including Area 1A and Area 2 ( not advised for 1A and Area 2 ( not advised for

admission purposes). Some admission purposes). Some evaluators say 1A and 2 should be evaluators say 1A and 2 should be

completed. completed.

How should I advise my evaluators?How should I advise my evaluators?

Q: Partial IGETCQ: Partial IGETC

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Bottom line: The Standards do not limit any areas Bottom line: The Standards do not limit any areas that may be missing for partial certification. that may be missing for partial certification. • Example 1: A transfer student could have been Example 1: A transfer student could have been

eligible out of high school, therefore it is possible eligible out of high school, therefore it is possible that a student could be admitted missing courses that a student could be admitted missing courses in Areas 1 and/or 2, depending on the criteria in Areas 1 and/or 2, depending on the criteria used by the receiving institution during the used by the receiving institution during the admissions cycle. admissions cycle.

• Example 2: A UC-bound student who has Example 2: A UC-bound student who has completed 2 composition courses at a non-CCC. completed 2 composition courses at a non-CCC. This student would be admissible; however, they This student would be admissible; however, they would be missing Area 1B (Composition and would be missing Area 1B (Composition and Critical Thinking).Critical Thinking).

The students in these examples should not be denied The students in these examples should not be denied partial certification. partial certification.

A: Partial IGETCA: Partial IGETC

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Section 11.4, Partial Certification of IGETC:Section 11.4, Partial Certification of IGETC:• ““Warning: Students need to meet minimum Warning: Students need to meet minimum

UC/CSU transfer admission requirements. UC/CSU transfer admission requirements. Therefore, partial certification that Therefore, partial certification that acknowledges a deficiency in IGETC Area 1 acknowledges a deficiency in IGETC Area 1 and/or 2 may also indicate a student does not and/or 2 may also indicate a student does not meet minimum transfer requirements. meet minimum transfer requirements. Community colleges should make every effort to Community colleges should make every effort to notify students of this potential problem.”notify students of this potential problem.”

• A CCC campus should make sure students meet A CCC campus should make sure students meet minimum admission requirements if the campus minimum admission requirements if the campus is going to certify them when missing Critical is going to certify them when missing Critical Thinking.Thinking.

A: Partial IGETC A: Partial IGETC (cont.)(cont.)

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Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC courses may be used for IGETC, even courses may be used for IGETC, even

if they were completed prior to the if they were completed prior to the CCC course’s IGETC effective date.  CCC course’s IGETC effective date. 

If a course is discontinued on IGETC, If a course is discontinued on IGETC, could a non-CCC course completed could a non-CCC course completed

after the discontinued date be used?after the discontinued date be used?

Q: Non-CCC CoursesQ: Non-CCC Courses

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• There was unanimous agreement by There was unanimous agreement by the IGETC committee that the content the IGETC committee that the content of the course should be considered of the course should be considered rather than the date of acceptance.  rather than the date of acceptance. 

• Courses are removed for a variety of Courses are removed for a variety of reasons and generally at the discretion reasons and generally at the discretion of the CCC.  As long as the course of the CCC.  As long as the course content is a match to a once- approved content is a match to a once- approved IGETC course, it may be used. IGETC course, it may be used. 

A: Non-CCC CoursesA: Non-CCC Courses

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Can students already enrolled at Can students already enrolled at UC/CSU go back to the CCC UC/CSU go back to the CCC campus and ask for a partial campus and ask for a partial

certification, and then have that certification, and then have that certification sent to the UC/CSU certification sent to the UC/CSU

campus?campus?

Q: UC/CSU Students Q: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCReturning to CCC

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A: UC/CSU Students Returning A: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCto CCC

• Yes, the student should return to Yes, the student should return to the CCC campus.the CCC campus. CCC campuses are aware that they CCC campuses are aware that they

should certify when requested should certify when requested regardless of the student’s enrollment regardless of the student’s enrollment status at the CCC.status at the CCC.

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During the ETS conferences, the CCCs were During the ETS conferences, the CCCs were asked to use the recommended IGETC form. asked to use the recommended IGETC form.

The UC counselors expressed that it’s not The UC counselors expressed that it’s not enough to see “IGETC completed” or “Partial enough to see “IGETC completed” or “Partial

IGETC” on a transcript because they don’t IGETC” on a transcript because they don’t know what's been used for IGETC purposes. know what's been used for IGETC purposes. 

Are CCCs required to complete the Are CCCs required to complete the recommended form or any other IGETC recommended form or any other IGETC

form? form?

Q: The IGETC FormQ: The IGETC Form

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• The CCCs are required to provide The CCCs are required to provide the information stated on the the information stated on the form by:form by: Using the suggested form, Using the suggested form, oror Including all of the information on Including all of the information on

their own form or transcripttheir own form or transcript

A: The IGETC FormA: The IGETC Form

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Where can I find information on Where can I find information on double- counting courses in a double- counting courses in a

major and in IGETC?major and in IGETC?

Q: Double-Counting Q: Double-Counting CoursesCourses

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IGETC information can be found on IGETC information can be found on the University of California website:the University of California website:• www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissi

ons/igetc under the “Applying Courses” section under the “Applying Courses” section

• ““Courses may be used only once to Courses may be used only once to satisfy one IGETC subject area, even if satisfy one IGETC subject area, even if they are listed in the course agreement they are listed in the course agreement under more than one subject area. under more than one subject area. Courses may be used to satisfy both Courses may be used to satisfy both IGETC and major requirements.”IGETC and major requirements.”

A: Double-Counting A: Double-Counting Courses (UC)Courses (UC)

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• For CSU, double-counting courses for For CSU, double-counting courses for IGETC and major requirements is IGETC and major requirements is determined campus by campus and determined campus by campus and department by department.department by department.

• Refer to the CSU document “Campus-Refer to the CSU document “Campus-Specific Practices for Transfer Specific Practices for Transfer Admission” for guidelines.Admission” for guidelines.

A: Double-Counting A: Double-Counting Courses (CSU)Courses (CSU)

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When students present scores of 3, 4 When students present scores of 3, 4 or 5 on or 5 on bothboth the AP English the AP English

Language and AP English Literature Language and AP English Literature tests, can the AP English Language tests, can the AP English Language score be placed in Area 1A, and AP score be placed in Area 1A, and AP English Literature be placed in Area English Literature be placed in Area 3B, assuming students meet their full 3B, assuming students meet their full 60 units using only 8 quarter units of 60 units using only 8 quarter units of

AP English toward UC transfer?AP English toward UC transfer?

Q: AP English TestsQ: AP English Tests

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• The certifying campus can use both AP The certifying campus can use both AP exams: one for Area 1A and the other for exams: one for Area 1A and the other for Area 3B. Area 3B.

• For IGETC certification purposes, each For IGETC certification purposes, each exam will be equal to 3 semester or 4 exam will be equal to 3 semester or 4 quarter units.quarter units.

• For admissions purposes, the student For admissions purposes, the student would receive a maximum of 8 quarter would receive a maximum of 8 quarter units for both exams. units for both exams.

A: AP English TestsA: AP English Tests

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Section 7.0 addresses Credit by Exam Section 7.0 addresses Credit by Exam and reads: “Students who have earned and reads: “Students who have earned

credit from an AP exam should not take a credit from an AP exam should not take a comparable college course because comparable college course because

transfer credit will not be granted for transfer credit will not be granted for both.” both.” 

Would the student receive transfer Would the student receive transfer credit for the course and elective unit credit for the course and elective unit credit for the AP exam as long as it is credit for the AP exam as long as it is

not articulated with a specific course at not articulated with a specific course at the UC campus where the student is the UC campus where the student is

applying? applying? 

Q: Credit by Exam Q: Credit by Exam

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• The CCC in this example is applying the policy The CCC in this example is applying the policy correctly.  correctly.  Example: A student takes a CCC U.S. History course that is Example: A student takes a CCC U.S. History course that is

comparable to the AP U.S. History exam.  The student is comparable to the AP U.S. History exam.  The student is planning to attend UCLA as a Political Science major.  planning to attend UCLA as a Political Science major.  Quick ReferenceQuick Reference shows the AP U.S. History exam is not shows the AP U.S. History exam is not articulated with a particular course at UCLA.  The student articulated with a particular course at UCLA.  The student would therefore receive credit for the AP exam and the would therefore receive credit for the AP exam and the CCC course.CCC course.

• The committee will look at revising the language in The committee will look at revising the language in the Standards to better clarify this issues, such as:the Standards to better clarify this issues, such as: ““If AP courses at a particular UC/CSU are given specific If AP courses at a particular UC/CSU are given specific

coursecourse

credit, students should not take those same courses at the credit, students should not take those same courses at the CCC. If this occurs, a student will CCC. If this occurs, a student will notnot receive credit for receive credit for both the AP and the course for admission or IGETC.”both the AP and the course for admission or IGETC.”

A: Credit by ExamA: Credit by Exam

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A UC/CSU campus awards a student AP A UC/CSU campus awards a student AP credit and subsequently allows the credit and subsequently allows the student to enroll in the comparable student to enroll in the comparable course. The student then comes to a course. The student then comes to a

CCC campus and follows IGETC.CCC campus and follows IGETC.

Can both the AP exam and the Can both the AP exam and the comparable course be used toward comparable course be used toward

satisfaction of IGETC requirements?satisfaction of IGETC requirements?

Q: AP and Comparable Q: AP and Comparable CoursesCourses

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• For IGETC purposes, this would be For IGETC purposes, this would be considered duplication of coursework.considered duplication of coursework. Example: UC Davis awards AP Psychology Example: UC Davis awards AP Psychology

units but only grants course credit with a units but only grants course credit with a score of 4 or 5. A student with a score of 3 is score of 4 or 5. A student with a score of 3 is allowed to enroll in Psych 1, a general allowed to enroll in Psych 1, a general psychology course. This student then enrolls psychology course. This student then enrolls at a CCC campus and follows IGETC because at a CCC campus and follows IGETC because he/she is not returning to UC Davis.he/she is not returning to UC Davis.

The student can apply either the AP The student can apply either the AP Psychology exam Psychology exam or or the psychology course to the psychology course to IGETC Area 4, not both.IGETC Area 4, not both.

A: AP and Comparable A: AP and Comparable CoursesCourses

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My understanding is that the new My understanding is that the new IGETC AP chart is for certification IGETC AP chart is for certification

purposes only.  purposes only. 

When counselors are adding up total When counselors are adding up total AP admission units to a UC AP admission units to a UC

campus, and there is no duplicate campus, and there is no duplicate credit issue, should the chart in credit issue, should the chart in

Quick Reference Quick Reference be used?be used?

Q: IGETC AP ChartQ: IGETC AP Chart

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• Yes, counselors should continue to use Yes, counselors should continue to use the UC the UC Quick ReferenceQuick Reference AP chart to AP chart to determine unit designation for determine unit designation for admission purposes.admission purposes.

• CSU also has a systemwide AP policy CSU also has a systemwide AP policy as outlined in E.O. 1036, Section 1.2.4.as outlined in E.O. 1036, Section 1.2.4. This list is posted at:This list is posted at:

www.calstate.edu/app/general_education.shtml

A: IGETC AP ChartA: IGETC AP Chart

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A student presents an AP score of 3 in A student presents an AP score of 3 in English Language and an AP score of 3 English Language and an AP score of 3 in English Literature. He/she does in English Literature. He/she does notnot complete a Critical Thinking course in complete a Critical Thinking course in

Area 1B of IGETC. Area 1B of IGETC.

Has this student met the UC minimum Has this student met the UC minimum eligibility admission requirement in eligibility admission requirement in

English composition?English composition?

Q: English Composition Q: English Composition RequirementRequirement

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• Students cannot use the two English Students cannot use the two English AP exams to satisfy the UC/CSU AP exams to satisfy the UC/CSU transfer eligibility requirement in transfer eligibility requirement in English Composition. English Composition. Students who take both English AP Students who take both English AP

exams will receive credit for one English exams will receive credit for one English composition requirement for admissions composition requirement for admissions purposespurposes

They will also receive IGETC Area 3B They will also receive IGETC Area 3B credit.credit.

A: English Composition A: English Composition RequirementRequirement

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Q: LOTE and Partial Q: LOTE and Partial CertificationCertification

When calculating the two When calculating the two courses allowed to be missing courses allowed to be missing for partial certification, does for partial certification, does

Area 6A count as one course or Area 6A count as one course or two?two?

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A: LOTE and Partial A: LOTE and Partial CertificationCertification

• UC considers LOTE a proficiency UC considers LOTE a proficiency level and it therefore counts as level and it therefore counts as oneone missing area rather than two missing area rather than two courses. A partial certification courses. A partial certification could be deficient in Area 6A and could be deficient in Area 6A and an additional course. an additional course.

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CCC faculty who are fluent in a language CCC faculty who are fluent in a language that they do not teach may now aid their that they do not teach may now aid their

college in determining a student's college in determining a student's “proficiency” in a language other than “proficiency” in a language other than

English (LOTE). English (LOTE).

What standards do UC faculty What standards do UC faculty recommend CCCs use to certify students recommend CCCs use to certify students

as “proficient” in reading, writing, as “proficient” in reading, writing, speaking and listening skills? speaking and listening skills?

Q: LOTEQ: LOTE

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A: LOTEA: LOTE

• The subcommittee needs to discuss The subcommittee needs to discuss this issue further when it reconvenes this issue further when it reconvenes in fall 2008 so a process can be in fall 2008 so a process can be created. created. Look for an update on this issue at ETS Look for an update on this issue at ETS

2009.2009.

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When placing courses on IGETC When placing courses on IGETC (student is not returning to the (student is not returning to the

same UC campus), does the CCC same UC campus), does the CCC need to find a comparable course need to find a comparable course

if the UC course met a GE/breadth if the UC course met a GE/breadth requirement at the campus where requirement at the campus where

it was taken?it was taken?

Q: IGETC Courses From UC Q: IGETC Courses From UC CampusesCampuses

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If a UC GE/breadth course satisfies a breadth If a UC GE/breadth course satisfies a breadth area that has a comparable IGETC Area, there area that has a comparable IGETC Area, there does not need to be a comparable CCC course.does not need to be a comparable CCC course.

• Example 1:Example 1: UC Irvine’s Women's Studies 60A meets a UC Irvine’s Women's Studies 60A meets a UCI breadthUCI breadthrequirement in Social and Behavioral Sciences. It could requirement in Social and Behavioral Sciences. It could be used toward satisfaction of IGETC Area 4, even if the be used toward satisfaction of IGETC Area 4, even if the CCC does not offer a comparable course. It would not be CCC does not offer a comparable course. It would not be necessary to check if another CCC offered a similar necessary to check if another CCC offered a similar course.course.

• Example 2:Example 2: UC Irvine’s ASIANAM 142 course meets the UC Irvine’s ASIANAM 142 course meets the campus’s Multicultural Studies and International/Global campus’s Multicultural Studies and International/Global Issues breadth requirement. There is no comparable Issues breadth requirement. There is no comparable IGETC area and no comparable CCC course. Therefore, IGETC area and no comparable CCC course. Therefore, this course could this course could notnot be used on IGETC even though it be used on IGETC even though it meets a UC breadth requirement.meets a UC breadth requirement.

A: IGETC Courses From UC A: IGETC Courses From UC CampusesCampuses