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SuperChargedPodcastCreating Energy by Healing Trauma with Niki Gratrix

00:00:30 GettingtoknowNikiGratrix00:03:00 Importantroleofstressandtraumainmaintainingenergy00:07:45 Howdoestraumaandstressaffectourbiologyandbiochemistry00:10:45 Howtraumaaffectsourbehavior00:14:00 Stepstoaddressingemotionaltrauma00:15:15 UsingNESHealthtoaddressunconsciousemotions00:28:30 Processingemotionsthroughadreamstate00:31:00 Tipsonworkingthroughtheemotionalhealingprocess00:33:10 Wendy’spersonalemotionalstruggleandwhatshelearnedfromit00:36:30 Hownegativeemotionscanpromotephysicalhealthissues00:40:40 Howbioenergeticscangettoplacesnutritioncannot00:44:15Trustingthatthebodyknowshowtohealitself00:46:00 Howantidepressantsandmedicationworkagainsthealingtrauma00:51:30 Learningtoslowdownandhaveaheart-centeredlife00:55:00 Reconnectingtothefeminineenergy

HarryMassey: WelcometotheSuperchargedPodcast,wherewehelpyoutoenhanceyourenergy,health,andpurpose.

WendyMyers: Bioenergeticsistrulythefutureofmedicine.

Harry: Imaginehavingabodychargedwithenergyandamindquickaslightning.Isthatasuperhero?No,that’syou,supercharged.We’llbetalkingtoexpertswhohavestudiesthephysicsoflifesothatyoucanhaveenergyforlife.

Wendy: Helloeveryone,mynameisWendyMyers.WelcometotheSuperChargedpodcast.Today,wehaveNikiGratrixontheshowandsheisgoingtobetalkingaboutemotionaltraumaandhowthatdramaticallyimpactsourhealth,andtipsonreleasingemotionaltrauma.Shehassomanygoodtips,andsomethatmaysurpriseyou.ThisisaveryverycompellinginterviewthatIamsoexcitedtosharewithyou.NikiGratrixisanaward-winning,internationally-renownedregisterednutritionist,mind-bodyexpert,andhealthwriter,helpingpeopletooptimizetheirenergy.In2005sheco-foundedoneofthelargestmind-bodyclinicsinintegrativemedicineintheUKwithpatientsin35countries,wheresheworkedasDirectionofNutritionuntil

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2010.Theclinicspecializedintreatingchronicfatiguesyndrome,wontheawardforOutstandingPracticein2009,andlaterpublishedapreliminarystudyin2012onitsresultswithpatientsintheBritishMedicalJournalOpen.

AfterfinishingherdegreeineconomicsandinternationalpoliticsattheUniversityofWarwick,NikistartedherworkingcareerasaCharteredaccountant.Afteraseven-yearcareerinfinancialservices,shelefttoworkinanenvironmentwithmoreheartandmeaning,andinaway,shecouldmoredirectlyhelpandserveothers,andwe’reverygladshedid.

We'regoingtobetalkingtodayaboutemotionaltraumaandhowthataffectsyourenergylevelsandyourstresslevelsandgivethelistenerssometipsaboutusingbioenergeticstoaddressemotionaltraumainsuchaprofoundway.Imean,forme,usingbioenergeticshashelpedmeimprovemyemotionallifeandreleasetraumainwaysIdidn'treallyexpect.Asaresult,todayI'msomuchhappierandjustsomuchclearerandmorefocused,andjusthavemoreenergyand,justgenerally,ahappierperson.Let'stalkabouthowimportantisstressandemotionaltraumainmaintainingabundantenergy?

NikiGratrix: It'ssuchanimportantaspect.Emotionaltrauma,Ibelieve,especiallyemotionaltraumafromchildhood,isprobablythemostunderexposedfactorforprobablyallchroniccomplexillnesstoday.Theposterchildadultillnessesrelatedtoemotionaltraumaarefatigue-relatedillnesses.Forexample,ifyouhaveahighleveloftraumainchildhood,youhaveasixfoldincreasedriskofdevelopingillnesseslikechronicfatiguesyndromeandfibromyalgia,andtherearehugestudies.IalwaystalkabouttheAdverseChildhoodEventStudy,astudyofover17,500adultsdonebytheCDCandKaiserPermanente,whichshowedthatifyouhadveryhighlevelsofadversechildhoodevents,youhaveanincreasedriskofsevenoutofthetop10causesofdeath.Withtrauma,we'retalkingaboutthingslikeparentsseparatingindivorce,physical,sexual,oremotionalabuse,physicaloremotionalneglect,thingslikedomesticviolence,substanceabuse,mentalillnessinthefamily,orincarcerationbyfamilymember,forexample.Inthatbigstudy,67%ofalladultshaveexperiencedatleastoneofthosethings,thattheyfoundinthestudy.Thatwasalsoanunderestimate.Theyignoredthingslikeaskingaboutwhetheryou'vebeen...Maybeyou'veexperiencedbullying,ormaybeyouhadatraumaticbirth,forexample,ormaybetherewasfinancialtraumainchildhood,aswell.Also,weinherittraumainter-generationally,andthat'sproveninthescience,aswell.Youcanlookbackatyourownchildhoodandnotnecessarilyhaveanything,butwhataboutyourparentsorgrandparents?Forexample,thirdgenerationsurvivorsoftheHolocaustvictimshavethesamephysiologicalandpsychologicalexpressionastheirgrandparentswhowereintheHolocaust.That'sfoundinallpartsoftheworld,wherethere'sbeenwarorfamine.You'llseeitgodownsevengenerations.That'sahugefactor,andalsothere'sahugeamountofwhatwecallsilenttrauma,whichiswherepeoplearenot

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alwaysabletoself-report.InthatbigstudythatImentioned,wheretheywerelookingat17,500adults,peoplewereaskedabout,wereyouemotionallytraumatizedasachild?

Well,ifyouwere,A,howdoyouknow,becausehowdoyouknowhowyourparentsorcaregiversweremeanttobehave?Especiallyemotionalneglect,wheretheveryessenceofthatispeoplearedisconnectedfromtheirownemotions,sotheywouldn'tknowthatthey'dbeentraumatized,and50%ofalladultshaveattachmenttrauma,whichisanotherhugestudy,aswell.Really,thebottomlineiseverybodyisaffectedbyadversityinchildhood.Thatsetsusupforhowwe'regoingtorespondtotheinevitablestressesinadulthood,aswell.Inchildhood,ifwehaveadversity,itaffectsourresiliencetotraumafortherestofourlives.We'lltalkaboutthatwhenwetalkaboutmechanisms,butjustafewotherstatistics,aswell.IfyouhaveahighlevelofACEs,youhavetripletheriskofheartdiseaseandthreeandahalf...sorry,tripletheriskoflungcancerandthreeandahalftimestheriskofheartdisease.Ifyouhavesixadversechildhoodevents,ACEs,aswecallthem,youhaveareducedlifespanof20years.ThisisallfromthishugeCDCstudy.IfyouhadjustfourACEs,youhavea400%increaseofdevelopingdepressioninadulthood,andAlzheimer's.YouonlyhavetohavetwoACEstohave100%increasedriskofautoimmunity.Ijustdidaninterviewrecently,whereIdidabitofresearchandfoundoutyouonlyneedacoupleofadversechildhoodevents,andyouhaveatwofoldincreasedriskofhavingmajordepressionduringmenopause.Itjustgoesonandon.It'severything.It'smentalhealth.It'sillnessesthatarefemale-dominantillnesses.It'scancer.It'sheartdisease.It'severything.Thebottomlineisjustsaying,thereisanemotionalcomponenttoeveryailmentandillness.Allofuspractitionersneedtobeaddressingthat,andanybodywhowantseithertobesuperchargedorespeciallyifyouhavefatigue,youhavethissixfoldincreasedriskofdevelopingfatigueinadulthoodwithemotionaltraumainchildhood.It'sthemostunderexposedriskfactor.I'dsayit'sprobablymoreimportantthantoxins,buttheyusuallygotogether.Theyusuallygotogether.Oneofthese...Ishouldjustsay,it'snottruetosaythatsmokingcauseslungcancer.It'sacontributingfactor,becausetherearepeoplewhosmokeallthetimeanddon'tgetlungcancer,right?It'sahugecontributingfactor,andthat'showtoconsideradversityandunresolvedtraumaandemotionaltrauma.It'soneofthesehugecontributingfactors,butyounormallyneedsometoxinsthrownin,andwhat'shappeningis,andwe'lltalkaboutmechanismsaboutwhattraumadoestothebody,butitreducesyourabilitytodetox.Itsuppressesyourimmunity.Itdoesallthesethingsthatthensetyouupforreactingwithillnesstothetriggerinadulthood.Thatcouldbeamicrobialtrigger,itcouldbeanotheremotionaltrigger,oritcouldbeatoxictrigger,ifthatmakessense.

Wendy: Yeah,solet'stalkaboutthosemechanisms.Howdoestraumaandstressaffectourbiology?

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Niki: Yeah,sohowdoeschildhoodautobiographybecomeadultbiology?ThesehugestudiesbytheCDCandKaiserPermanentetriggeredsomemajorresearch.Oneofthethingsthattheyfoundisessentiallyit'salltodowiththisHPAaxis,thehypothalamicpituitaryadrenalaxis,andit'saboutthestressresponses,thisfight/flightresponsethatwehavetostressorsintheenvironment.Whathappenswhenwehaveeitheraone-offshockorwehavethisintermittentbutchronicstress,likebeingaroundanunpredictableparentconstantly,whathappensisthat...They'reactuallycallingit,itkindlesthebrain,whichmeansittriggersthebraintogetstuckinachronicstressresponse,eveniftheexternalstressistakenaway.Wehaveareducedthresholdofwhattriggersastressresponseinus,inresponsetoastress,andthewholesystem'sreset,sowearemoreresponsivetostress,andwehaveahigherstressresponseforlonger,sincethedaythetraumahappened.Essentially,oneresearchersaidthat,oronesciencewritersaid,it'slikethechildismarinatingininflammatorycytokinesallthewaythroughsincethattimetherewasareset,becauseweknow,whentheHPAaxisgetstriggeredintoachronicstressresponse,allthesebiologicalchangestakeplace,whicheventuallyleadtoincreasedinflammation,and,ofcourse,inflammationisobviouslycorrelatedwithsomanychroniccomplexillnesses.Whenwetalkaboutanillnesslikeautoimmunitybeingtrigger,wellactuallyitmayhavestarted20yearsearlier,whenthissystemresethappened.Weknow,oneofthemostrobustfindingsinthescienceofpsychoneuroimmunology,wheretherearehugepaperslookingatthismind-bodyHPAaxisconnection,isthatemotional,negativeemotions,trauma,andsoonsuppressesimmunity.It'soneofthebasicunderstandingsofpsychoneuroimmunology.We'vegotsuppressedimmunity.We'vegotbeingstuckinthechronicstressresponse,increasedinflammatorycytokines.Itchangesourgut,sowhenwehavetraumainchildhood,studieshavebeendone,wheretheytook...Withmammals,theywouldseparatethemotherandthebaby,recreatingattachmenttrauma.Itchangestheintestinalpermeability.Itchangesthegutcolonization.Whenyou'restuckinchronicstress,itreducesyourdigestiveenzymes,soyou'renotdigestingproperly.Inessence,whenthesystemresethappens,youarelessinthestateoftheparasympatheticrest,digest,detoxify.You'reinthestressfight/flightresponse,soallofthatrest,digest,detoxifyaspectgetsdown-regulated.You'vegot,worst,you'renotdetoxifyingandyou'renotdigestingproperly.That'sthefoundationofillness,right?

Wendy: ThatsoundedaboutlikemebeforeIstartedNESlastyear,aboutayearago.

Niki: Yes,soit'sthemajorimpact.That'sonewayitactuallyisworkingtochangethebiochemistry.Traumaalsoaffectsourbehavior,soit'sworthmentioningthatthesebigstudies,theKaiserPermanente/CDCstudyactuallystartedinanobesityclinic,andtheyfoundout...TheyhadthisobesityclinicinKaiserPermanente,anditwasforpeoplewhowerequiteseriouslyobese.Theywereonthisprogramofweightloss,andtheyweredoingreallywell,butthentheywouldhavea55%dropoutrate,

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andtheresearcherswerelike,whyisthat?Whyarepeopledoingreallywell,andwhentheystartlosingtheweight,theygettoacertainplateau,andthentheywoulddropout.Theyfoundout,bymistake,thatalotofthepeopleinthestudywerereportingthey'dbeenabusedinchildhood.Itwasodd,andtheresearchersweren'texpectingit.Onewomansummeditup,whenshesaid,"Beingoverweightwasaprotectionmechanismagainstunwantedmaleattention."Now,thatisacasewhereyou'vegotaprotocol,whichisahealthything,ahealthydietaryprotocoltoloseweightisathreattohersurvivalandherexistence,becauseshehasunresolvedabuseinchildhood.Youseetheadultwithfatigueandpeoplewithchronicstressandchronicfatiguesyndrome.Theyhaveadifferenttypeofexpressionoftheirtrauma,where,forexample,iftheyhaveattachmenttrauma,theymayhavelearnedtogetloveandbeokaybybeinganachievertypeorbeinganover-giver,wheretheyconstantlydiscounttheirownneeds,oraperfectionisttype.Theywerefrightenedintothisachievingwhateveritmaybe,sothatearningloveinsteadofbeingahumanbeingandknowingthatyou'realreadydeserving,andthatcanbearealthreattotheiridentitytojust...Theydon'treallyknowhowtoslowdownandstop.They'veforgottenhowtodoit,becausetheywerenevertrainedhowtodothat,anditwasdownplayed,anditwasn'timportant.Theynevergottheirneedsmet.Whenyoustartsaying,"Youneedtorelax,"itisathreattoactuallytheiridentity.It'sthesamewayastellingsomebody,"Youneedtoloseweight,"andactuallyitbecomesathreattothem,justtogiveyouanidea.Itaffectsbehaviorinthatway,whereit'sbasicallysabotagingbehavior,sowecouldhavegreatprotocoladviceaboutwhattodo,butwedon'tsticktoit,becausewekeepsabotagingit,becauseactuallywedon'tfeelsafedoingit,andalsobeliefs.Traumaaffectsourbeliefsunconsciously.Weallknowthattheplaceboeffectandpositivethinkinghassuchanimpactonbiology.Itchangesourbiology,with33%oftheeffectivenessofalldrugsarenowplacebo,right?Weknowithasaphysiologicalchange.Whenyouhaveastrongpositivebeliefthatsomethingisgoingtohappen,you'regoingtogetbetter,thatchangesyourbiology.Withemotionaltrauma,it'softenunconscious.It'sfeelingsandbeliefsthatwe'redisconnectedfromandmaynotbeawareof,thingstodowith,forexample,feelingshame,ornotfeelingthatwedeservehealth,forexample.That'swherethemind,thepowerofthemind,willactuallysabotage,aswell.Thosearesomeofthewaysthatittranslatesintoanexpressionofillness.It'sbiochemistry,it'sbehavior,anditaffectsourbeliefs,aswell.

Wendy: Yeah,solet'stalkaboutthestepstoaddressingemotionaltrauma.

Niki: Yeah.

Wendy: Wheredopeoplestart?Imean,I'vehadaboutprobably10years,overthecourseofmylife,oftalktherapy,notbecauseI'mcrazy,butbecauseIjust...Ireallyloveself-helpstuff.Alotofwomendo,alotofthefemalelisteners.IlovethefeelinglikeI'mtakingcareofmyselfemotionally,andoneofthewaysIdidthatwasstartingasa

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teengoingtotherapyandtalkingitout,buttheproblemwiththat...Ithinkthatalotofwhatdrivesusemotionally,we'renotconsciouslyawareof.Thatispartoftheproblemwithtalktherapy.It'sgreat.Imean,alotofpeopleneedthat.Theyneedthatconnection,especiallyalotofpeoplethataresociallyisolatedtoday,andpeopledosortouttheirproblemsthatway.Ithinkthat,forme,I'dbeenthere,donethat,andIstillfeltIhadallthisemotionalbaggagethatIwasn'tabletoaddress,becauseitwasunconscious.That'swhere,forme,bioenergeticscamein,doingaprogramcalledNESHealth,inidentifyingandaddressingthoseunconscioustraumasthataredriversofbehavior.

Niki: Yeah,you'vemadeareallygoodpoint.Thisisveryinteresting,whenwelookatwhatisanemotion?Isanemotion,isitpurely...Areouremotionsdrivenpurelybyneurotransmitters?Areemotionsjustexpressionsofhormonalbalanceinourbody?Areemotionsjustbiochemical?We'vegotallthisresearchcomingthroughnowaboutthegutandhowthataffectshowwefeel,right?Whenwehavedysbiosis,wehavethisincreasedriskofanxietyanddepression,andthey'reevenlookingatprobioticstohelppeoplewithPTSD,posttraumaticstressdisorder.Weknowthatemotionshavethisphysicalcomponent,butemotionsarealsoenergy.That'swhyit'soneofthemostinterestingareas.Likeyou,I'mabigfanofbioenergetics,becauseIcanaddresstheemotionalandthephysicalhealthbyusingbioenergetics.What'sbioenergetics?Thestudyofenergyinlivingsystems.It'sfascinatingwhenyouconsideremotionasa...It'sathing.It'selectromagnetic.Ithaschargeaswellashavingthisphysicalcomponent.Ioftensay,youprobably...There'snowthisinfamousvideoofCyrilBourkewiththemiHealthdevice,apulsedelectromagneticfrequencydevice.He'sholdingitaboutfiveorsixinchesawayfroma5000poundbull,andhe'ssendingoutamagneticwave,andthebullisimmediatelycalmeddown.That'sdirectproof.Youcangoandlookthatvideouponline,orwecangiveitoutasalink,showingthatemotionsaren'tjustbiochemical.They'realsoelectromagnetic.Ithinkthat'swheretherearesomeamazingthings,proof,otherproofthatemotionsareenergetic,aswell.Youlookatsomeofthemostsuccessfulinterventionsfortrauma.They'reontheenergysides.They'reenergypsychology,thingslikeneurofeedback,whichischangingbrainwavesinresponsetofeedback.EMDR,eyemovementdesensitizationandreprocessing...There'snotalkinginvolvedwiththat.That'schangingwavesagain.EFT,emotionalfreedomtechnique,that'sactuallytappingontheendsofacupuncturepointsontheface.Whatweseeissomeofthemosteffectivetreatmentsareworkingattheenergeticlevel.What'sthemostinteresting,especiallywhenwestarttotalkaboutworkingwiththingslikeNES,Infoceuticals,and,asImentioned,thePEMFdevice,youcanworkenergeticallywithpeople,purelyenergetically,whereyoudon'tdoanytalktherapyorevenstart...Youletgoofthestory.Withusingenergy,youcanjustcreateanemotionalrelease.Youcanmovestuckemotionsbyjustpureenergeticwork,becauseemotionsarefrequency.Youcanusesoundtherapy.Youcanuselighttherapy.Youcanused

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pulsedelectromagneticfrequency,likethePEMFdevice,andyoucanuseelectromagneticevencurrents.Electromagneticcurrentswillwork.

There'sanothergreatvideopeoplecouldgoandlookuponline.IfyoujustlookuptraumabearonGoogleandYouTube,there'savideoontherethat'sDr.PeterLevine,who'sthebrilliantexpertinSomaticExperiencing.It'sanotherformoftraumarelease.Heshowshow,inananimal...It'sactuallythevideoofapolarbearactuallygoingthroughtrauma,becausehe'sbeingchasedbysomepeoplewhoaregoingtoshoothimtoactuallyhelphim,shoothimwithjustatranquilizer,andthey'regoingtocurehim.They'revets.Afterthebearslowlystartstowakeup,you'llseehisentirebodyisactuallyshaking.Thatwasthetraumarelease.It'sanelectricalchargerelease,soit'sanervouselectromagneticfrequencyrelease.Whathappens,whenwedon't...Whenwehaveatrauma,what'shappeningwithmostpeopleintraumaisthatthatelectricalreleasedoesn'thappen.Instead,wegointoafreezeresponse.Whenwe'reinfreeze,itfixesandtiesupthewholenervoussystem.Thebody'sinatensestate,andwestarttogetpain.Westarttogetchronicpain,forexample.Also,whenwe'restuckwithfrozentrauma,thereisjust...Thebody'sgonestiff,andit'sholdingitself.There'strappedemotionalstuff,andthenervoussystemisstuckinthisfight/flightresponse.Thattakestremendousenergyawayfromlifeandliving.That'swhy,whenyouseewithchronicfatiguepeople,there'salotoffrozentraumagoingon.That'stremendouslydepletingtobeholdingallthistrauma,andallthatmuscletension,andthenervoussystemchronicallystuck.Actually,youcanseeinadults...There'ssomepractitionerswhosee,whentheystartworkinginreleasingemotionaltrauma,youactuallyseethebodyreleasingandshaking,andit'stheentirenervoussystemlettinggoofthatelectricalcharge.Emotionshavecharge.Theyhavefrequency.That'soneofthereasonswhy...Forexample,Imentionedyoucouldusesound.Youcoulduselight.Youcanusemagnetics.Youcanalsousefrequencyimprintedonwater,whichiswhatweuseinNESwhenwehave,likeI'mjustholdinguphere,thisisanInfoceutical,soweknowthatwecan...It'spossible,ifweknowemotionshavefrequency,wecanfindoutwhatfrequencytheyare,andwecanimprintitonwater.Thirtyyearsofheartmathhaveshownthat,forexample,theycanlookataheartratevariabilityresultforyou,andthey'dhavea75%chancethatthey'llbeabletotellyouwhatemotionalstateyou'rein,justbylookingatyourheartratevariability,forexample.Weknowthisnow,withtheworkofPeterFraser,wherehe'sactuallydecodedcertainemotions,andwecanprintitonwater.Thebeautyis,thisisagentleway,whenyouworkwithpureenergy,ofreleasingenergywithoutre-traumatizingtheperson.It'sjustareleaseoffeeling.Oneofthethingsweneedtodowithemotionalstuff,emotionaltrauma,isitdoesneedtobefelttobereleased,butitdoesn'thaveto...Wedon'thavetoattachastory.Wedon'thavetomakeadrama.Wedon'thavetocajoleit.Wedon'thavetonegotiatewithit.Whenweworkenergetically,andthisiswhatIdoallthetimewithmyclients,whenI'mworkingwithInfoceuticalsoraPEMFdevice,theyoftenwillcertainlyoneday...Ihavetocoachthem,sotheyneedtobeprepared,wheretheymightsuddenlyfeelverysad


foraday.Theydon'treallyknowwhy.It'sjustcomeupfornoreason.Icoachthemaroundthatandsay,"Youknowwhat?There'snothingtodoaboutthis.Emotionisjustenergy.It'sjustanenergyrelease.There'snomeaning.There'snothingelsetotalkaboutit."It'saveryinterestingwaytowork,andit'saverygentle,non-traumatizingwaytosupportpeople,whenyoupurelyworkonthefrequencylevel.You'reactuallybypassingthemindcompletely,whichcanbe...Sometimeswedo,likeyousaid,weneedthetalktherapy.Sometimesthatisneeded,andit'sappropriate,butpeopleshouldknowyoucanalsoworkpurelyenergeticallyandjustyoucanbereleasingoutofthebodyandhavingitanemotionaldetox.Icallittheemotionaldetox.Yeah,Ilovebioenergeticsforthatreason.It'swhyIworkwithNES,andwhyIusetheInfoceuticalsandthePEMFdevice,andsoon,withmyclients.

Wendy: Yeah,solet'sgointothatalittlebitdeeper.Whydon'tyoutellpeoplealittlebitaboutwhatisNESHealth?HowdoesaNESHealthscan...Youdoalittlescan.Athome,youwouldorderoneoftheselittlescanners.Youdoascan,andyouseealotofinformationinyourscan,whichyouthenreviewwithapractitioner.Tellusalittlebitaboutwhatyousee,inregardstoouremotions,inthatscan.

Niki: There'satremendousamountthatyoucanseegoingonemotionallyinanenergyscan.Becausebothemotionsandthephysicalbodyareenergy,everything'senergy,you'reboundtoseealltheenergeticaspectsoforgansandsystemsandsooninthescan,butthere'salsothemindscreens.ThemindscreensintheNESscanwillliterallypickuptraumathathasregisteredonthebrainandisconnectedtodifferentpartsofthebody,whichisthebrainhologramscreen.Thepeoplemightnowknow,butthat'sactuallybasedontheworkofGermanNewMedicineandDr.Hamer'swork,wherehewasadoctor,originallyadoctor,who...Hissonwasactuallymurdered,andwithinafewweeks,hedevelopedcancer.Herealizedthatthetraumaofwhathappenedwithhissonwasdirectlycorrelatedwithhiscancer.Thenhedidhugeamountsofresearchcorrelatingwhathecouldseeweredifferentpartsofthebrainbeingimpactedbytraumaontheenergeticlevel,whichwouldthencorrelatetodifferentpartsofthebody.Hedidthousandsofscans,andPeterFraser,whocreatedtheNESsystem,actuallyincorporatedallofthatworkintothescan.It'sreiteratingwhatImentioned,thattraumaisenergetic,aswellashavingaphysicalaspect.What'sbrilliantaboutthescanisit'spossibletoreadthefrequencyandbeabletodetectandpickthatup.It'sdefinitelygoingtopickupthingsthatyou,asaclient,maynothavebeenawareofatall.I'vehadcaseswherewemightseesomethinginthatbrainhologramscancomeupforsomebody,andtheyjustdon'treallyknowwhatitmeansatthetime,butit'sflagged.Ihadoneclient,whereshekeptongettingterrorcomingup.Shecouldn'treallyworkoutwhatwasgoingon,and,becausethatcameupinthescan,shestartedtoinvestigate.Thisiswhatalotofusdon'tdo,iswedon'ttalksometimestoourownparentsandourgrandparentsaboutnotonlytheirexperiences,butalsowhatwemayhavegonethroughinearlychildhood.Thisparticularclientsaidsheaskedhermother,"Isthereanythingthat


happenedtomeinearlychildhood,whereIwould'vehadterror?"Shewasalreadyinher30saskingthis.Hermothersaidtoher,nevertoldherbefore,butsaid,"Ohyeah,Irememberveryearlyon,"shehadactuallygotsomekindofbugorvirus.Shewasonly...She'donlyjustbeenborn,andtheyplacedherinanisolationunitforaboutthreeweeks.Whenmumcameback,thebabywasnonresponsivetowhenhermothercameback,sotherewasarealattachmenttrauma.Itwould'vebeenterrorizingforalittlebabythatyoung.Sheonlydevelopedonekidneyafterthat,whichisinteresting,becauseinChinesemedicine,wehavethisstrongcorrelationoffearwiththekidneys,sothatwasveryinteresting,aswell.

Wendy: Yes,andisolationwiththekidneys.

Niki: Yes,sothisisthesortofthingthatweseethatgetspickedupbythescan.It'spartofa...Sometimespeopleknowwhentheyseesomethinginthescan.It'sshowingupaparticulargenericstatement,andthenthepersonneedstolookatthatandgo...Theyeitherknowwhatitisrightway,ortheymightnotknowwhatitisyet.Sometimespeoplewon'tknowwhatitis,buttheyjustneedtodotheprotocol,becauseit'sgoingtoclearthroughanyway.Theymightjust...Itmightbesomethingthatactuallyisnotofthatgreatimportance.Itmayhavebeensomebodysaidanegativethingordidanegativethingwhenwewerefiveorsixyearsoldthatactuallytraumatizedusatthatage,butitwasn'tanimportantincidentinitself,butwecanclearitthroughanyway,becausewecanworkwiththefrequencydirectly.Thepersonmightjusthave...Ioftengetclientswithhavingvividdreams,forexample,andthat'spartoftheprocessingofclearingthrough,ortheymighthaveadaywheretheyjustfeelsadforafewdays,andthatpasses.Ijustalwayssay,"Thisshallpass,too.Youdon'tneedtodoanythingaboutthis.Justfeelit,breathe,andrelease."Justfeeling,breathing...Takesomeextratimeout,whenpeoplearehavingtheemotionalreleasesandknowthatthere'snothingtodoaboutit.That'sthepoint.We'lloften...Someotherpeoplewillgetmemoriescomingback,too.Notalways,butsometimespeoplehaveinsightintosomethingoramemory.Othertimes,Imean,I'vebeenthroughaprocessofgoingthroughalotof...Ihadalotofspleenworktodo,whichislinkedwiththeworry,mental,mentalworry.

Wendy: Ihadthat,too.Ihadthespleenkeepcomingup.Idon'tknowwhy.

Niki: Yeah,itwasthatallnight...justangstallnight.It'sfunny,becauseyou'lljustforget.ThenIwaslike,thenextday,Isuddenlyrealized,oh,I'vebeentakingspleen,soitwastheInfoceuticalonthespleen.That'softenwhatyou'llsee.What'samazingwithclientsandwithNESisyou'llseesomeone,forexample,talkaboutrecoveringfromtheirIBS,butthey'lltalkabouthowtheyfeltdifferentasaperson.That'sthekeything.Iknowwhensomebody'sgonethroughrealhealing,whenthey'reactuallysaying,"Idon'tfeellikethesamepersonIwasbefore."Theytalkabouttheirfeelings."Idon'tfeelaswoundup.Idon'tfeelasangry.Ifeelcalmer.Ifeelmoreconfident."


They'llalwaysbesayingthat,andthenthey'lltalkaboutthephysicalsymptomsdisappearing,aswell.Yeah,it'sabeautifulwaytowork,whenyou'reworkingthatway,andit'sgentle,aswell,sowe'renotgoingtocertainlysendsomepeopleintoahugere-traumaoranythinglikethat.Itfeelsverysafe.

Wendy: Yeah,IthinksomepeoplecanmaybeworryaboutthatwithNES,butwithanykindofrealhealingandrealprogressonyouremotions,youdohavetoconfrontmaybesomeunpleasantemotions.Ifound,personally,andprocessingalotofemotionshappenswhenyou'redreaming.Thatwasveryprofoundforme,afterIdidtheNESHealthPractitionertraining,thenIrealizedthatIstartedhavingreallyvividdreams,assoonasIstartedonmyownNESHealthprogram,becauseyou'rejustprocessingallthestuff.That'swhatdreamsarefor,processingyouremotions,filingthemawayinvariouspartsofyourbrain.That'sagoodsideeffect,Ithink,ofNES.Ilikedreamingandhavingvividdreams.Luckilyalotofthisstuffhappenswhileyou'redreaming.

Niki: Iwasgoingtosay,ifyou'vegotabigfearofsomething,andthenyouhavethedreamaboutthathappening,muchbettertohavethatmanifestinthedreamstatethanactuallymagnetizeitinyourlife.Thatistheotherthingaboutemotions.Theyaremagnetic.Theyhavecharge.Theyimpactwhatwe'rebringingintoourlives,so,yeah,Itotallyagree.Ifyoucanprocesssomethingenergeticallywithouthavingtosometimesmanifestitphysically,becausethat'swhat'sactuallyhappening.Weoftenwill...Ioftentalkaboutthisalotwithmyclients,aswell,whenwetalkaboutclearingoutemotions.Youcould...Sometimeswhensomethinghappenstous,anditcomesintoourlife,andittriggerslikesomebodybelievesus.Whatwehaveisahugeemotionalrelease.Well,thereasonithappenedisweneededtoreleasethatemotion,becauseitwasblockingus,allright?We'llbringineventsandthings,especiallywhenpeoplestarttocleartheiremotions...Wecanbringinthingsthatwill,ifyouhaveafearofsomething,itmightmanifest,becauseyou'llreleasethefear.I'dmuchratherdoitinmydreamsleepthough.Youknow?

Wendy: Yeahexactly,butforme,I'mlike,"Bringit!Bringiton."Idon'twanttostaystuckwhereIam.Idon'twanttocontinuetogothroughtheseruminatingnegativethoughts.ThatwasabigproblemIhadinthepastwasconstantruminatingthoughtsthatwouldjustcirclearoundandaround,likethisbrokenrecord.Idon'twanttobeinthatstate.Iwanttomoveforward.Todealwithafewnegativeemotions,onaverytemporarybasis,thatthenpass,I'lltakethatanyday,ratherthanstayingstuckwhereIam.

Niki: Icouldn'tagreemore.It'sgoodforpeople...It'sgoodreallytogetthewordoutthereaboutemotionaldetox,becauseitalso,inthatway,it'salittlesimilartophysicaldetox,right?Weknowit'sworthittogothroughalittlebitofahealingcrisisonthephysicalside,becauseit'stemporary,becausewecanalsomanageit,andwecanreduceitdownbycyclingthingslikesupplements,whateveritis,thatwe're

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taking,butalsothesamewithemotions.Wehavethisneed,Ithink,intheWest,tojusthaveatotallylinear,"Itakethis,orIdothis,andIimmediatelygetbetter."It'slike,well,itdoesn'tquiteworklikethat.Itoftendoesrequireaconnectingintomaybefeelingsomestuffthatwasrepressedorthatwedisassociatedfrom,becauseitwastoopainfulatthetime,butwhenyou'redoingitinthissafeenvironment,whenyouknowwhattoexpect,andyou'reworkingwithapractitioner,youcanjusthavethatemotioncomeupanditnotdevastateyou.Yourealize,youcanbetellingyourself,thisisjustafeelingandit'senergyandnothingelse,andenergymoves.TheonlywayI'llblockitisifItryandrunawayfromit.ItryandIgointomyheadaboutit.It'soneofthebiggestthingsthat...It'sarealtrap.Thisisoneofmypitfallsofemotionaldetox.Abigemotioncomesup,andthenweturnitmental,andweturnitintoabigstory.Thenwegoanddosomethingaboutit.It'slike,nope,you'vemissedit.There'snoneedtodothat.Justlettheemotionscomeupandrelease,andjusttaketime.That'salmostlikeakindofemotionalmeditation,youknow?You'refeelingitandallowingittoflowthrough.Actually,you'rejustacceptingit,breathing,andlettingitflowthrough,accepting,breathing,andlettingitflowthrough.That'sallthat'sneeded.Ithinkthatsometimesinourto-do,doingnesssociety,weforget.Wedon'treallyknowhowtodothat.Nobody'sreallygivenusthemanual,butthatisactuallyhowyouwouldhelpsupporttheemotionalrelease,isjust...Alotofbreathinghelps,andtheusualthings,Epsomsaltsbathsandlotsofwater,thesamewayyouwouldwithphysical,aswell.

Wendy: Yes.

Niki: Thosearegoodtipsforpeople.

Wendy: Isufferedfromdepressionthroughmostofmy20sandreallylearnedalotofdifferenttechniquestodealwiththat.Oneofthemwastonotgetdepressedaboutbeingdepressed,moreaboutthinkingaboutlettingthatemotionrolloveryoulikeawave,andthenitpasses,andthatwasalwaysjustreallyhelpfulforme,istorecognizethatIamnotadepressedperson.ThisisnotwhoIam.It'smorejustatemporaryemotion,andthenthatusually-

Niki: Ifpeoplegotthat...It'snotonlydepression.Theotherthingwedois,forexample,whenwerealize...Here'sanotherexample,abitmoreonthementalside,butwemightrealizewe'rebeingjudgmentalofourselves.Whenwenoticewe'rebeingjudgmentalofourselves,wegetjudgmentalaboutthefactwe'rejudgmental,sowe'lldotheverythingwe'retryingtostop.It'sthesamewithfear,andthenyougetafraidbecauseyou'refeelingfear.That'sleadingtoapanicattack.Yes,it'sveryimportanttobeabletolearntokeepthatslightcenterednessthroughthefeelingcomingup,becauseotherwisewejustspiralit,andwemakeitbigger.That'sareallygoodtip.It'sareally,reallygoodtip.Peoplegetjudgmentalaboutbeingjudgmental.Peoplecanfeelshame.That'sanotherone.Oneoftheworstfeelingsisprobablywhenyou

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connectwithshame,becauseit'sakindofself-loathingofyourself.Guiltisfeelingbadaboutsomethingyoudid.Shameis,"Iambad,"differentfromsomethingIdid,soit'sprobablythelowestemotion.Then,whenwefeelthat,werealizewehavethat,usuallyit'ssemiconscious,butit'saroundinalotofus,whohaveself-lovedeficitdisorder,50%ofadultshaveattachmenttraumainchildhood,sothat'stheself-lovedeficitpartofthat.Thenwecanfeelashamedaboutthefactwefeelshame,sothere'sacutoffpointweneedto...Ifwecangetthat,that's,"Oh,okay,thisisjustpassingthroughme.Thisisjustafeeling.It'sjustenergy,andit'snotthetotalityofwhoIam."It'sarealhealingwhensomebodycangettothatstage.That'swherealotofcalmmeditationandbreathinganddailyexercisesofmeditationandbreathingexercises,tokeepthatcenterednessthroughstormyemotions,isagoodthing.Bytheway,Iwouldsayanothertipaswell.Ifyouare...Sometimeswhenwedobreathing,andwemightbetakingsomethinglikeInfoceuticals,aswell,tobringthingsup,sometimesitcangettoointense.Thefeelingisoverwhelming.Ifyou'rebreathingintoitandyou'rewantingittorelease,you'reaccepting,breathing,releasing,andthenit'sactuallygettingtoomuchandit'snotdissipating,Iactuallytellpeople,"Goanddosomethingelse."Actuallygetup,goanddistractyourself,dosomethingelse,becauseit'sstillprocessingevenwhileyou'redoingotherthings.Thenwhatyou'llfindisyoucancomebacktoit.Onceyougoquietandyoustartbreathing,andyoudocenteredbreathingagain,you'llfeelitcomeback,buteachtimeit'llbelessintense,becauseit'sclearingthrough.Thesearemoretipsofjusthowtodealwithemotionswhenthey'recomingup,aswell.

Wendy: Ithinkanotherreallyimportantpointofourtalkisyouwanttoclearnegativeemotionsandtraumas,becausetheycancausephysicalhealthissues,andtheycanpromotephysicalhealthissues.Alotofpeopledon'tunderstandthat.Whenyou'regoingtoamedicaldoctor,evenafunctionalmedicinepractitioner,they'reworkingbiochemically.Doctorsareworkingwithdrugsandsurgery.Thefunctionalmedicinepractitionersare...It'sanupgrade,butworkingwithsupplements,stilltryingtoelicitabiochemicalresponse,physicalchangeinthebody,andthatmissingthepointormissingalargeaspectofhowourbodyworksiswehaveanenergeticfieldthatweneedtoaddressenergetically,andyoucan'tgetthatwithaconventionalmedicalorfunctionalpractitioner.Ifyoudon'taddressemotionaltraumas,itcanaffectyourphysicalhealth.Canyoutalkaboutthat?

Niki: Yeah,Imean,that'sthehugepoint.Youcangosofar.Youcangotosomedegree,likewementionedifsomebodydoeshavedysbiosis,youcouldplayaroundwithneurotransmittersandbalanceneurotransmitters.Youcouldworkonametaboliclevel.Forsome,thatwillbalancetheiremotionalstate,andthat'sallyouneedtodo.Formanypeople,itdoesn'tgofarenoughandespeciallywhenyougetthisnervoussystemreset.RememberwhenImentionedtrappedemotionsisablockageandadisturbanceandadistortiontotheenergyfield,andtheenergeticaspectsofthebodyiswhatistheblueprintforthephysicalbody.What'shappeninginthefieldis

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tellingthebiologywhattodo.Ifthat'sgotdistortedinformation...Thisisthisideawhereifyou'vegotdistortedinformationinyourenergyfield,youwillconstantly,forexample,youmightneedtokeeptakingtonsofvitaminsandminerals,becauseyou'renotactuallyabsorbingandutilizingthemproperly,becausethere'sadistortion,say,inthestomachfield,that'shappeningattheenergeticlevel.Oneoftheplaceswhereshameandguiltgetstoredintruckloadsisinthestomach,inthedigestivearea.It'sadistortionintheenergyfield,andtheenergyfieldistellingthebiologywhattodo.It'stheblueprint,sojustturningusback.WhentheHumanGenomeProjectwasdone,theyonlyfoundthathumanshadabout20,000genes,whichwasabigshock,becausewehaveliketwomilliondifferentproteinsinthebody,right?Everybodythoughtwe'dhaveonegeneforoneprotein.It'slike,"Where'sthemissinglink?"Themissinglinkisitlookslike,howdo...Genesjustaren'ttheonlyinformationthattellsproteinshowtospecializeandhowtobecomelivercellsandkidneycellsandhowtorepair.There'sthisstrongelectromagneticfieldaroundthatistellingtheproteinshowtodifferentiateandregenerate.Whenwehaveadistortionintheenergyfield,oneofthebiggestdistortionsinthefieldarechronicnegativeemotionsandlowemotions,andChinesemedicine'sknownthatforthousandsofyears,right?It'sprobablyoneoftheoldestmind-bodysystems.It'svitaltocleartheenergeticleveltoallowthebiologytorepairitself,becauseit'slikethat'stheinformationthat...Thebuildingblockmightbenutrition,gooddiet,andthesupplements.That'stherawmaterialstorebuild,butyouneedtheinformationfortherawmaterials,totellthemhowtodothat.Youneedtogoandbecomealivercell.Youneedtobeaskincell.Youneedtogoandrebuildandrepairthedigestion.It'stheforeman,andtheforemanwillget,iftheforeman'sgotdistortedinformation,thatisgoingto...Nothingyouwoulddoonthebiochemistrywillworkaseffectively.Iremember...There'sabrilliantenergeticpractitioner,Dr.DietrichKlinghardt,right?Hehasthisbrilliantaxiomthatforanequalamountofunresolved...No,whathesaysis,"Foranequalamountofbacterialormicrobialinfection,there'sanequalamountofstoredtoxicity,andforanequalamountofstoredtoxicity,there'sanequalamountofunresolvedemotionaltrauma."Hewassayingthatin1984.

Wendy: Wow.

Niki: Heoftensaysyou'vegotto...Youcan'tjustdoonewithoutaddressingallofthese,becausethey'reallinterconnected.Youoftenfindyoucanonlyget...Sometimesyoumayonlygetsofarwithabiochemicaldetox.Yougetsofar.Yougetstuck.Nothingelseiscomingout.Timetodosomeenergywork.Timetodothepsycho-emotional.Tryanddosomeenergyclearingwork,andthenyou'llfindthebiochemistrystartstoworkbetteragain.ThisiswhatIdiscoveredwithallmyclients,isthatIneededthismultifactorialapproach,butdon'tjustthrowoutthebiochemistryatall.It'sstillimportant,buttheenergeticishugelyimportant,andwe'vegotthesetoolsthatenableustocorrectatthatlevel,whichissuperb.Bioenergeticscangettoplacesthatnutritioncan't.

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Wendy: Ifeltlike,forme,andprobablyalotoflisteners,IhadreachedapointinmylifewhereIwaseatingaspectaculardiet.Iwastakingthehighestqualitysupplements.Ihadbeendetoxingforfiveyears.Iwasexercising,meditating.Iwasdoingallthesethingstotakecareofmyself,andIstilljustdidn'tfeellikeIwasoperatingatthelevelinmyhealthandemotionallifethatIshould'vebeen.IwasconcernedthatIhadallthisemotionalstuffgoingon,thatIdidn'treallyknowhowtoaddress.NESHealthgavemethatanswer.ItcamerightatatimethatIneededitthemost.Whenyouaskthequestion,theanswerswillcome.I'mreally,reallythankfultoNESHealthandtheCEO,HarryMassey,ofNESHealth,forprovidingthisjustincredibletooltohelppeople.Iknowalotofpeoplelisteningfeellikethey'redoingsomuchfortheirhealth,andtheyjustfeelliketheywanttogotothatnextlevel.IreallythinkthatNESHealthprovidesthatanswer.

Niki: Yeah,it'ssuperb.Oneoftheotherbrilliantthingsaboutthesystemspecificallyisthatyoucanworkremotely,aswell.Alotofthesystemsthat,especiallyenergytestingsystemsandsoon,likekinesiologyandsoon,someofthemostadvancedformsofthat,youneedtobeinpersonwithpeople,andoftenyouneedtwopractitioners.It'sthisveryintensework.Icould've...IdidallofKlinghardt'straining,actually.Istillthinkhe'ssuperb,butIdidn'ttakeonhissystem.IwantedtodoNES,becausethatallowedmetobeabletohaveclientsallovertheworldandtobeabletogetthisenergeticscanningandthetreatmentsoutthere,nomatterwherepeopleare.Alotofmyclientsarefatigued,sotheycan'tgetoutofthehouse,someofthem.Alltheyneed,weposteverythingtothem,aslongastheycangetonlineandarefairlyokayonacomputer,they'vegotaccesstosuperbhealingtechnology.Yeah,Ilovethesystem,andit'sgreat.

Wendy: Yeah,andIlovethatit'sdesignedlikethat,tohelppeopleintheirownhome,because,likeyousaid,there'ssomanypeople...Theydon'thaveaccesstocareintheirarea.Ifthey'reinEgyptorthey'reinruralMontanaorwhathaveyou,there'saccesstoqualityhealthcareforanyoneintheworld,usingNES.

Niki: Yes,yes.

Wendy: Doyouhaveanyfinaltipstoofferthelistenersinregardstoemotionaltraumaandaddressingthat?

Niki: Youknow,Iwouldonlysaythattrustthatthebodyknowshowtohealitself,andquiteoftenallweneedtodoissetuptherightsupportnetwork,givetherightinformationtothebody,havethebuildingblockslikegoodnutritionavailable.Thebodywilldotherest.Weneedtodoourpart.Thebody'sstillamysteryultimately,andsciencedoesn'treallyunderstand.Wehaven'teventalkedabouttheaspectsofquantumphysicshere,andthere'shugeimplicationsofallthat,too,butthebeautyiswedon'tneedtounderstanditforthehealingtotakeplace,andthatthebodydoesknow.Whenwebreakaleg,andwegotohospital,allthedoctorsdoissetit.They

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juststickthebonestogether.Theydon'tdoanythingtomakethebonesheal.Thebodydoesthat,right?Whatwe'redoingiswe'recreatinganoptimalenvironment.We'reprovidingthenutrients.We'reprovidingtheinformationnecessary,andwe'vegotusdoingourpart,soit'saco-creativeprocesswiththebody.It'sabalancetonotover-controllingandknowingwhentojuststepbackandgo,trustingmybodyknowshowtohealitself.WhenIsendtheright...Ourownengagement,asjustinourownpsychologyabouttheInfoceuticalsaregreattools,butultimatelytheengagementofyouasthepersonsettingaclearintentionforwhatyouwantasyouroutcome,fullyengagingwiththatinanoptimistic,committedattitude,andabeliefthatitwillworkisatremendous,probably50%ofthestory,right?That'stheotherthingIwouldsay,thatthetrustisneeded,andthatcommitment,andtheknowingnessthatit'spossible,thatrecoveryispossible,thatsuperchargedenergyispossible.

Wendy: Yes,absolutely,yeah,becausewhenyougotoaconventionaldoctororpsychiatrist,you'rereallyonlygoingtobeofferedmedicationsforanykindofemotionalissuesyou'regoingthrough,depressionoranxiety.Forme,I'vebeenonantidepressantsbefore,andthey'reaBand-Aid.They'rereallyjustcoveringupsymptomsandnotaddressingtheunderlyingrootcause.Forme,I'mdonewithBand-Aids.Iwanttoaddresstheunderlyingrootcause,togetridofthedepression,getridofanxietyoranykindofothernegativethoughtsorruminatingthoughtsorphysicalreactionsinmybody,becauseoftheseemotionaltraumaissues,andjusttoreleasethemandletgoofthem,sothey'renolongeranissue.Ithinksomanypeoplegetstuckinthatcycle.They'rejustnotawarethattherearesomanyunbelievable,cutting-edgemodalitiesouttherethatreallyarelight-yearsaheadofwhatthemedicalmainstreamcommunityaredoing.

Niki: Yeah,that'ssotrue,andyoumentionedantidepressants.Somuchworksagainstwhatweneedtodotoreleasetrauma,becauseitwillstopthedownemotion,becauseitnumbsyouout,butitalsostopsyoufromfeelingthejoy.Youcan'taccessthejoywhenyou'reessentiallybeingnumbedoutbysomething,whichistheBand-Aidapproach.That'snottosay...Sometimesit'shighlyappropriateforpeopletobeonthatmedication,anddefinitelydon'tjustcomeoffit.Ifyou'relisteningandyou'reonit,makesureyougoandseeyourmedicaldoctorbeforemakinganychanges,becauseifyouareonaprescribedantidepressant,youknowthesafetypointthere.Ultimatelydealingwiththerootcause,itwouldrequireagradualreductionofthatmedication,becausepartofreleasingtrauma,it'slearningto...Doyouknowwhatitis?It'sactuallylearningtofeelagain.It'saformofawakening.It'swhenwe'vereleasedtrauma,weneedtofeelagain.

Wendy: Peopledon'tlikethat,though.

Niki: Iknow,becauseithurts.

Wendy: Yeah.

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Niki: Theycomeout,andtheyliveintheirhead.They'resomebodywhoislivingintheirhead,andtheyjusthaveabodytheretotaketheirheadtodifferentroutes,andtheylivehere,becauseit'stoopainful.It'sbeentoopainfulfurtherdown,toopainfultobeinthephysicalbody,toopainfultobeintheirfemaleorgansandhavethatconsciousnessandfeelingthere,becauseoftraumafromthepast.It'soneof...Learningtobeasensualbeingislearningtobehumanandlearningtoenjoylife,andit'sthereasonwe'rehereistofeelagain.That'stheotherthing.Iwasjusttalkingtoaclient.Hewasactuallyaskingme,wouldthiswork...Wouldthisactuallyhelpwithsexlife,aswell?Isaid,"Well,thisispartofthelearningtofeelagain,ispartofthisawakeningandconnecting."We'veallgotsomuchbaggage,andwethinkaboutwhatwe'veputinourbodiesphysically,andthestuffthat,overdecades,thatwe'vebuiltuptoxin-wise.Justthinkaboutalltheendresultemotionalstuff,becausewho'sreallydoingalotofthatwork?You'reboundto,especiallyifyousayyou'vehadareallybusytime,whereyou'vebeenexternallyfocused,andIalwaysfindthis...Youmightfindthesame,butI'vefoundthis.WhenI'vehadveryexternal,busyworkduringthistime,it'spainfulcomingbackintothis,like,"Oh,there'sthatemotionIdidn'tprocess.No,no,there'sthishorriblefeeling."Iremember,Ihadmanyyearsofworkingintensivelyhard,actuallyrunningaclinicwiththechronicfatigueclinic,andwhenIfinallystoppedandtookabreak,Iwasactuallynumbforaboutsixmonths.Iwasdoingtwohoursofbreathingaday,andallIcouldfeelwasnumb.I'dhada12-yearcareerinaccountingandfinance,andbankingbeforethat,andhadn'treallyconnectedintothateither,soweweretalkingabout,wow,20yearsofunconnectedbaggage.Icantellyou,tostartwith,Ididn'tevenfeelanything.Itwasnumbness.There'sstages,andthenIkeptgoingwithit,twohoursaday.Ididitthroughalotofbreathingworkandsensingandfeelingandconnecting,andstuffcomesupwhenyoudothat.Iwouldstarttofeelintodifferentpartsofmybodyandwouldstartto...Memorieswouldcomeup.Thingswouldbe...I'dbeconnectingtothingsfromthepast,becauseIwasbreathingintothekidneyarea,andthenIwouldbreatheintothestomacharea.Partofclearingemotionaltraumaisit'sanawakeningprocess,anawakeningtofeeling.It'snotathinkingthing.It'safeelingthing.Weliveinverydisconnectedtimes.Thisispart,thisisreally...We'regettingtomycoremessage,really.Tome,it'saboutbringingtheheartbackintohealthcare,becausethisdisconnect,thedisconnectionfromthatfeelingstatemeansweloseourinnercompass.Itmeanswedon'tlistentomessagesfromthebody,becausethey'renotbeinglistenedto.Itmeansthatwepushthroughthingslike...ThenumberofclientsthatI'vehaddealingwithchronicfatigue,who,theyweretotallydisconnectedfromwhattheirbodywastellingthem:timetorelax,timetoslowdown,timetobreathe,timetoconnect.Ifyouhavenofeelinginthebody,becauseyou'reconstantlydisconnected,youdon'tknowhowtopace.Youdon'tknowwhentoswitchoff.Youdon'tknowhowtorelax.Thisconnectiontofeelingandbeingguidedbyfeelings,bothintuitivelyfeeling,intermsofwhatwedoinourlives,whetherwetakeonprojects...Isitatimetorelax,calmdown,spendquiettimeconnectingwithourbody,orisitanexternalbusytime?It'slikeunderstandtheseasonsoflife.Youcan't


havesummerallyearround.Actually,maybethere'ssomeplacesonearthwhereyoucan,butmostofus...Thoseplaceswhereit'swinteryearroundarenotthebestidea,butyouknowwhatI'msaying?There'snaturalcyclesinthebody.Winterismoreofatimewherewecantakemoretimeconnectingwithourselves.Thisisprobably...I'mgladwe'vecometothispoint,becauseitismycorereasontoactuallywhatIdoistohavepeoplestartconnectingbacktotheirfeelingstate,becausethefeelings...Ifthat'snothappening,you'reonyourdirectiondowntowardsillness,ifyou'renotconnectedtoit,butalsoweneedamoreheart-guided,heart-centeredlife.Whenweslowdown,funnilyenough,thingsspeedup.Especiallywhenyouconnecttotheheart,youendupmagnetizingthingstoyou.You'relettingthingscometoyou.Whilewe'rechronicallydoing,doing,doing,we'reallexhausteddoingthat.That'spartofmymission,istrainingpeopleintheirgeneralliveshowtostayconnectedtotheheart,and,yes,thatdoesmeanslowingdown.Itmeanstaking20minutes,maybetwiceaday,todonothing,andpeopledon'tknowhowtodothat.

Wendy: Idon'thavetimeforthat.

Niki: Yousee.

Wendy: Idon'thave20minutestwiceaday.I'mjoking.

Niki: Okay,Idoknow.Itotally...Ialmosttookyouserious,though,becauseIdohaveclientswhotellmethat.I'vegotclientsnowtellingmethat,andIhatetosayit,butIalmostsayto...Idon'tsayittothosepeopleallthetime.It'snotalwaysright,butIcansayithereinamoregeneralsense,thatthatpersonisn'tsickenoughyettostartdoing20minutesofcalming.

Wendy: Yeah,yourbodyisgoingtoforceyoutostop,atsomepoint.

Niki: Yes,andthisistheothermessage.I'mthinkingofthesepeoplewhoI'vebeenworkingwith,andwho'vegotthis,aswell.Whenyouslowdown,andyouconnectwithhearts,andyoufeel,andyoustarttogetcentered,itchangeswhatyou'redoing,soyouhavethisinsight.You'renotwastingmoretimeonthatproject."Oh,that'sthepersonwho'scausingmeaproblem.Igetridofthem,andmylifegetseasier."Whenyoustayconnectedtoheart,you'restayingconnectedtoyouremotionalsenseofself.Youstarttogetinsightsaboutwhatwillactuallymakelifeeasier,andthingswouldflow,andthenyou'reintheflowbetter.Mostofusaren'tdoingthat.We'reinthisfreneticmentalstateallthetime.Clearingemotionaltraumaisanextraordinaryawakeningexperience.Ittotallychangedmylife,whenIhadliterallyaspiritualkindofanemotionalawakening.IcouldneverlivemylifethewaythatIdidwhenIwasinmy20s,asafinanceandbankingperson,beingtotallyoblivious.Whenweslowdown,wenoticethings.Weallowthingstocometous,ratherthanchasingallthetime.Howcoolwouldthatbe?Becausethinkabouthowexhaustedweallarewhenwe'renotconnectedtoourfeelings.Ourfeelingsarea

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sourceofinformationabouttheworldaroundus.Whenyou'renotconnectedtothat,youmisssignals.Youmisseasypaths.Youmissseeingthedangersignsofsomethingcomingyourwaythat'sgoingtocauseproblems.Yougetdisconnectedfromallthat,solifegetsharderwhenyou'renotinyourheart,andalsoitjustbecomesgenerallydepressingandsadwhenyou'renotconnectedtoheart,becauseyou'vehadtostepoutofthat,becauseitwastoopainful,butthatreconnectionisareconnectionbacktojoy,andengagingwithlifeagain.Ihavealotofclientsthathavedisengagedwithlife,andthey'vebecomefatigued,becausetheygotburnt.Badthingshappened,andthentheyjustcontracted.Theirsystemscontracted,andtheyneededtogo,tojustshutoffbasically.Whatwedo,whenIworkwiththosetypesofpeople,iswe'regraduallygettingthehearttoopenagaininagradualsafespace,andwealsoshowpeoplehowtodothatsafely,toreengagewithlifeandopenupagain,andtostarttofeelagain,becauseashumans,we'remeanttobesensualbeings,andwe'vebecomementalbeings.

Wendy: Yeah.

Niki: Ithinkthatisprobably,atitscore,thementalis...We'reoverlymasculineandmental,andthefeminineenergy,whichisafeeling,sensingstate,hasbeendisconnected.IfIhadtosay,ifthere'sonethingaboutchronicfatigue,it'sthatfemale-maleimbalanceonanenergeticlevel.It'stoomuchexternalizedmentaldoingness,andthisdisconnectfromthemoreinvisible,energeticfeelingsenseinthebody.That'show...Youcoulddescribetheentireillnessasthat.That'spartofwhatIdoinmycoachingandinmytrainingcoursesandinmyprogramsandthings,isalsotrainingpeoplehowtogetbackintotheirfeminine.Weneedthefeminineenergyback,don'twe?Don'tweneedthat-

Wendy: Yes,yeswedo.Yeswedo.

Niki: Don'tweneedthefeminine?Weneedfemales.Weneedthewomen.Weneedwhat...Theessenceoffeminineneedstocomebackintohealthcareandlifeingeneral.That's,yeah...Itwasgreattoconnectwithyouonthat,becausethat'sprobablymynumberonemission.

Wendy: Well,tellthelistenersmoreaboutwheretheycanfindyouandlearnmoreaboutwhatitisthatyoudoandtheservicesthatyouoffer.

Niki: Yeah,sopeoplecancheckoutmywebsite,whichisnikigratrix.com,N-I-K-I-G-R-A-T-R-I-Xdotcom.IhaveafreeeBookontherethatyoucandownloadonthesevenstepsofhealingemotionaltrauma.Iknowyoucangetittotallyfree,andonceyousignuptothat,youcanstayengagedwithwhatI'mdoing,becauseItalkaboutthisonalotofdifferentsummits.I'vegotonecomingupsoononimmunehealth,andsoon.I'malwaysdoingworklikethat,butalsoIdoprogramslikethree-andsix-monthprogramswhereyoucanworkone-to-onewithme,wherewedoNESscanning.Ialso

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doquestionnaireanalysis,andweworktherange...Iworkwitharangeofthings,soIemphasize,ofcourse,nutraceuticals,essentialoils,allpersonalized,andthencoachingonthepsychologyside,aswellaskeeppeopleontrack.I'vegotsomebigannouncementscomingupsoon,aswell,sostayintouch.I'vegotsomeprograms,someothertypesofthings,I'mlaunching.

Wendy: Howexciting!

Niki: Yeah,tohelppeopletocreatecommunity,tocreateacommunitygoingforwardandeverything.Checkoutmywebsite.Webringstuffoutallthetime.

Wendy: Well,Niki,thankyousomuchforcomingontheshow.Imean,you'resuchawealthofinformation.I'vetalkedtoyouseveraltimes,andwe'refriends.Ialwayslovepickingyourbrain,andyoujusthavesomuchinformation,somuchtoofferpeopleinhealingthemselvesfromemotionaltrauma,sothankyou.

Niki: Thankyou,Wendy.It'sarealpleasure,andthankyouforalltheamazingworkyoudowithyourinterviewsanddoingsuchimportantworkthatyou'redoing,aswell.

Wendy: Thankyouand,everyone,thankyousomuchforlisteningtotheSuperchargedPodcast.Youcanwatchthisvideoongetsupercharged.com,andlistenandwatchothervideosandpodcaststhatwehaveonthere.Soexcitedtobestartingthispodcastandthatfinallybeendoingit.It'sbeenintheworksforawhile,andwithmycohost,HarryMassey,who'stheCEOofneshealth.com.Thankyousomuchforlistening,andpleaseleaveusareviewiniTunesifyou'velikedwhatyou'veheardtoday.We'dappreciateitso,somuch.Haveawonderful,energeticday.Pleasekeepinmindthatthispodcastisnotintendedtodiagnoseortreatanydiseaseorhealthcondition,andisnotasubstituteforprofessionalmedicaladvice.Pleaseseekamedicalpractitionerbeforeengagingwithanythingthatwesuggesttodayontheshow.